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AC!D
07-27-2009, 07:02 PM
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I love my Xbox 360 just as much as I love my PlayStation 3. It's got a great library of games that I've invested a considerable amount of time and money into over the past few years, and it's a system that will likely still be serving me for some time to come.

That said, in a significant parallel to the PS3, my love for the system seems to come at an inverse proportion to my love for the company behind it. I am of course talking about Microsoft, otherwise known as the poster boy for corporate greed and everything that is wrong with America. Not my words, the words of other people ... probably.

Despite bringing out a good console that many true gamers have flocked to, Microsoft has also helped to ruin fun for everybody. Perhaps you don't believe me, and are preparing to call me a "bias troll that's trying to get fired" already, but please read the article before making your accusations.

Nobody ever asked Microsoft to get into the console gaming market. In fact, the company's motivation for doing so wasn't even out of demand, or necessity, or consideration for the market, but simply to try and stick it to Sony. The Xbox exists to stop the PlayStation brand from succeeding, and MS essentially stuck its big nose into an industry that it didn't really have any business getting involved with. Now that it's here, we have to deal with it, but unfortunately Microsoft brought a lot of baggage, especially with the current generation.

The most important bit of baggage is one we all know about by now, the fact that the Xbox 360 is a technical piece of shit, as far as hardware goes. Not even mentioning the red ring of death, the Xbox 360 is home to all manner of technical errors and random crashes. Every major update seems to bring with it a fresh slew of reports from gamers who now have a glorified brick sitting underneath their televisions. Be it red rings, E74 errors, or any other number of things that could go wrong, Xbox 360 ownership has been ruled by one dominant emotion -- fear.

I remember when game consoles were associated with fun. Back before systems tried to do more than just allow us to play our damn videogames. One feeling a console should never, ever evoke, however, is fear. People should not be afraid to turn their Xbox 360s on, faced with a grim inevitability that one day it just won't work anymore. However, this is the prevailing emotion that Microsoft has given to gamers. A dread feeling every time they turn on a 360 and feel that it's taking longer to switch on than usual. That timid wait for the blessed arrival of lights that flicker green instead of red. That horrible moment when a game just crashes while trying to load, and the scramble to reset the Xbox in the hopes that it switches on again.

Thanks for that, Microsoft! You have really made this generation a care-free and merry one! That alone really annoys me about MS' arrogant bull-in-a-china-shop stampede into the industry, but there's more. So much more.

We all know that publishers and platform holders don't give two square craps about videogames, but nobody seems to make it more obvious than Microsoft. The Xbox 360 platform apparently revels in its own greed, rubbing it in the faces of consumers. Nothing makes that more clear than the fact that Xbox Live is apparently ad supported, even though gamers are charged a subscription fee for the privilege of playing games online.

Far be it from me to tell a business how to run itself. I'm a Libertarian, and thus recognize that Microsoft has a right to charge what it wants, and put adverts wherever it pleases. However, I also have a right to say when a company is being a dick, and to note that just because someone has a right, that doesn't make what they're doing right. As a consumer, I am incredibly curious as to what it is that we're paying for, since Microsoft is raking it in from advertisers and sponsors, not to mention game and system sales, and all manner of microtransactions.

Speaking of microtransactions, why the fuck am I being expected to pay 240 Microsoft Points for a BioShock 2 theme on the Xbox 360, when the PlayStation Network is offering its own theme for absolutely bugger-all? The typical counter to such a complaint is, "If you don't like it, don't buy it," and trust me, I won't. However, it's a practical insult to the Xbox 360 install base to expect payment for that which is free on another system. I am gladly downloading the PS3 theme, but the 360 theme can go get fucked.

The whole "Premium Theme" garbage is disgusting anyway. The fact that Microsoft was charging for themes on the old dashboard, up to and including the time when they knew they'd be forcing us over to the New Xbox Experience, is absolutely despicable. People were ostensibly tricked into paying for something that was going to be obsolete within weeks, and Microsoft happily took the cash. Then when the NXE rolled around, the price for themes was changed from 160 Points to 250 Points. This isn't helped by the fact that NXE themes look like trash anyway.

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if publishers had the freedom to make themes free, but they don't. When Jonathan Blow released a premium Braid theme, he revealed that Microsoft would not allow him to launch it without letting the 250 Point charge stand.

While we're talking about Braid, let's also mention Microsoft's decision to charge 1200 MS Points for the game, just because the publisher knew it could. In a manner similar to what Activision is doing with Modern Warfare 2 in the UK, Microsoft used the hype for Braid to test a new pricing precedent. A few games had been released for 1200 Points in the past on XBLA, but it was Braid that let Microsoft know they could get away with turning it into a regular price. Now nearly every top-tier XBLA game is expected to come out at 1200 Points, when once they were 800.

Part of the problem here, of course, rests on the shoulders of the consumer. Had we not basically told Microsoft that 1200 Points was acceptable, it wouldn't have happened, but unfortunately Microsoft now has carte blanche to invoke what I like to call a "hype tax" on its most high profile XBLA games. Even though consumers allowed it, there's still something offensive about a company rewarding gamers for their interest and loyalty by essentially holding a game they want to ransom.

Then there's just the general stupid shit Microsoft seems to enjoy doing. Like constantly trying to copy the Wii in a transparent and rather pathetic attempt to be as successful as Nintendo. Avatars that were shoved into Xbox Live, don't really do very much, yet still expect customers to pay for their stupid clothes. Nonsensical, barely-tested casual games like Lips that are given pride of place even though Microsoft's intended audience isn't paying attention. Don't even get me started on Project Natal, and the ludicrous amounts of bluster that MS is putting behind it. Microsoft has made it clear that it wants to be as mainstream as Nintendo, but has given no indication that it knows how to do it, instead trying to awkwardly reach out to a market Nintendo cornered, while alienating the market MS already has.

Please remember, this is not an indictment of the Xbox 360. I love the system. However, the Xbox 360 is kind of like a drunk driver getting into a horrible car crash, then pulling his passengers free of the wreckage and heroically saving their lives. Sure, they're incredibly grateful for the brave thing he did, but he shouldn't have been fucking drunk driving in the first place.

For all the good that the Xbox 360 has done, the harebrained men behind it have made sure that this generation for Xbox fans is a generation overshadowed by fear, disappointment and getting royally fucked in the ass.

The sad thing is ... it's really working out well for them.

I know XE is a fan of this guys Sony articles so i thought i would post this Xbox 360 article by Jim Sterling for XE (John).

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=2462683#post2462683

OG_Monkey
07-27-2009, 07:46 PM
The Xbox exists to stop the PlayStation brand from succeeding

well right there is where i stopped reading as he clearly doesn't know what he is talking about.

Kiwi
07-27-2009, 07:55 PM
I gave up after the first sentence. If you have to say that you love one console as much as the other, then you know the rest of the article's gonna be some bullshit fanboy rant.

It would be interesting to see where gaming would be without Microsoft though. It's conceivable that most Xbox owners would be PS2 owners instead, games like Halo would be on the PS2. So where would that have put Nintendo? If the majority of Xbox sales had gone to the PS2, then would Nintendo even released the Wii? and if the Wii did come out, would it be as successful in comparison?

Of course, its all speculation, but it would be nice to be able to envisage those kind of things.

TimmyJ
07-27-2009, 08:12 PM
I can see where he's coming from, but it's nothing exclusive to Microsoft nor the industry as a whole - the world is just filled with greedy, heartless bastards that would set their own mother on fire if they thought it would raise share prices.

I think that the likes of Microsoft and Activision are just altogether more visible in that regard simply because of their size and wealth: they can afford to be arrogant.

Anyone that wants to bitch and whinge about this kind of business needs to take a long, hard look at the lifestyle they propagate, one centred solely upon greed and fear - capitalism has veered to an ugly extreme and stripped us of the very freedoms it ought to bless us with. Microsoft is merely a symbol of this, as is anyone that will selfishly grow like the viruses we're becoming.

Coded-Dude
07-27-2009, 09:02 PM
he actually makes some decent points. I never have, nor will I ever buy a Microsoft product. I have played the 360 numerous times and do enjoy it, but I don't like microsoft as a company. their business practices are shit.

AC!D
07-27-2009, 09:27 PM
Most of his gripes with MS are old so i wont mention the obvious but the new one that doesnt really bug me because i dont have access to Xbox live in my country but i wonder how you guys feel about it....I know many Xbox lovers have no gripes when it comes to paying for live because most say its superiror to PSN but i wonder now with the new ads on live do you guys still feel you should be paying for live since MS is getting extra income at your expense (Meaning you guys have to now sit through these ads) now? Is live really that much more superior in your minds?

Another question i would like to ask is also do you guys think MS is covering their billion dollar loss on 360 repairs with live fees, hikes in arcade game prices like mentioned in the article and these new advertising fees? If MS didnt have these RROD expeses would they still be charging you for live? Another way to phrase this question is whether MS is actually brining the cost of RROD right back to the consumer with these fees?

woundingchaney
07-27-2009, 09:30 PM
At this point I dont really care nor understand why we give such nonsense a sounding post. I dont care for or hate MS anymore than Sony or Nin, they all pretty much seem to be the same entity to me with similar goals only with different methods.

masteratt
07-27-2009, 09:32 PM
well right there is where i stopped reading as he clearly doesn't know what he is talking about.
Are you kidding?
MS admitted it was their main goal with Xbox.

To stop PS from being a dominant force in the entertainment business and to stop it from taking over the living room (that's why they are so aggressive despite losing money, they want market share).

But yeah shit article though.

OG_Monkey
07-27-2009, 09:45 PM
Are you kidding?
MS admitted it was their main goal with Xbox.

To stop PS from being a dominant force in the entertainment business and to stop it from taking over the living room (that's why they are so aggressive despite losing money, they want market share).

But yeah shit article though.

I must've missed that. To my knowledge, Xbox has and forever was the goal of bring the PC to the living room. The philosophy was always Xbox 360 to PC connectivity and not PC to Xbox 360. It was all about just bring the PC to more areas and increasing the general field and branches of the PC. All the PS2 could do was just play DVDs and CDs. Although it was rumored to do alot more in the beginning, that never happened. So I doubt that was Microsoft's real worry seeing as they themselves didnt even do that with Xbox 1. But to "stop the Playstation brand from succeeding"? Not even, nintendo knows they can't even do that.

Carlos
07-27-2009, 09:50 PM
well right there is where i stopped reading as he clearly doesn't know what he is talking about.
No. It's true.

I read somewhere that father of PlayStation's life goal is to kill Windows. Thus the reason behind the OS'es of PlayStation brand.

masteratt
07-27-2009, 09:50 PM
I must've missed that. To my knowledge, Xbox has and forever was the goal of bring the PC to the living room. The philosophy was always Xbox 360 to PC connectivity and not PC to Xbox 360. It was all about just bring the PC to more areas and increasing the general field and branches of the PC.
Yeah definitely, that too.
And sorry I should have said "one of their main goals", not "their main goal".
But to "stop the Playstation brand from succeeding"? Not even, nintendo knows they can't even do that.
Yeah the writer of the article worded it too strongly obviously but MS DID say "we are going to step in on PS's market share and that was one of the goals behind Xbox" or something with that message.
I specifically remember such quotes and even discussing it here. I'll dig around for sources when I'm less tired.

OG_Monkey
07-27-2009, 09:52 PM
"we are going to step in on PS's market share and that was one of the goals behind Xbox" or something with that message.
I specifically remember such quotes and even discussing it here. I'll dig around for sources when I'm less tired.

No need to dig, yeah THAT is true, they definitely wanted in on PS's market share.

AC!D
07-27-2009, 09:52 PM
You guys are both wrong! MS got into console gaming to make money like everyone else :)

masteratt
07-27-2009, 09:54 PM
I couldn't give a toss less why they got in, it hardly matters.

I was just surprised OG said the article was wrong about the reason but now I see it was because the article was strongly worded that OG disagreed and that he knew of that reason.
I just wanted to clear that up with OG.

Other than that, since (no offence AC!D) this thread does seem to be just flame-bait.....*walks out*

Carlos
07-27-2009, 09:56 PM
Yeeaaah, I'll walk out too. But the article is telling the truth, M$ ruined the fun for everyone by charging money for things that are free out of corporate greed.

AC!D
07-27-2009, 10:01 PM
Ok well i thought there were some valid questions about pricing in there but if you guys feel its big flame bait then mods feel free to close i dont mind.

If anyone on the playstation side is wondering how this will affect them well if Arcade games on live keep on increasing in price then this will have a knock on effect for games on PSN obviously. If the ads thing works on Live then PSN will also be flooded by them. You guys might think that the hey screw MS attitude cause i dont buy their products works so it doesnt affect you but in reality it does and what one console makers strategy does profitably the others then will usually follow suit.

OG_Monkey
07-27-2009, 10:15 PM
I couldn't give a toss less why they got in, it hardly matters.

I was just surprised OG said the article was wrong about the reason but now I see it was because the article was strongly worded that OG disagreed and that he knew of that reason.
I just wanted to clear that up with OG.

Other than that, since (no offence AC!D) this thread does seem to be just flame-bait.....*walks out*

indeed

Lucent Beam
07-27-2009, 10:32 PM
His points and why he's wrong:

1. "FEAR OF PLAYING OUR XBOX. SHOCK!!!"

One feeling a console should never, ever evoke, however, is fear. People should not be afraid to turn their Xbox 360s on, faced with a grim inevitability that one day it just won't work anymore. However, this is the prevailing emotion that Microsoft has given to gamers. A dread feeling every time they turn on a 360 and feel that it's taking longer to switch on than usual. That timid wait for the blessed arrival of lights that flicker green instead of red. That horrible moment when a game just crashes while trying to load, and the scramble to reset the Xbox in the hopes that it switches on again

Oh my god, give me a break. Yes, 360 owners are sad when their Xbox's die, but none of us feel are pathetic enough to "LIVE IN FEAR" of "OUR PRECIOUS XBOX" dying. This is just way over the top exaggeration.

2. "CHARGING FOR ONLINE PLAY" - I think if Microsoft had been slow and lazy with getting their consoles online, then there would not have been a fee. Let's face it: Sony and Nintendo only got their online shit together when Xbox Live got huge. Nintendo obviously lagged behind the most in online play, but you would be flatout lying to say that PS2 online came anywhere close to the level of Xbox Live for original Xbox. That said, had it been PS2 that had a pay-for-online service that truly sparked online gaming, I 100% doubt that sony would have kicked that fee in the current generation. The point is that people who were serious about online gaming started off paying that fee for original Xbox, and now are too used to it to care anymore. now that people know better, Sony and Nintendo also knew better than to charge for their service, but Microsoft just keeps it up because they know that they can. To some extent, they'd be stupid to revoke that fee because they know people will keep paying for it anyway.

3. "CHARGING FOR WORTHLESS CRAP THAT IS WORTHLESS" : The article plays off "If you don't like it, don't buy it". Ok, just like I won't buy any retarded shit on Home. But where in the article did he mention that Home's microtransactions are equally bullshit and pointless. No where? Because he chose to leave that out. Yes, the premium themes are a rip-off, but honestly, who cares? There are/were a couple free ones if you cared. If you really care, you'll shell out your three worthless dollars. If not... you didn't care anyway! And yes, it's $3+ for something completely poinntless and worthless, but how is paying $3 for something with no point other than visual delight any different from paying for bullshit on Home. It's not.

4. "OVERCHARGING FOR XBLA GAMES, WAHHH": Yes, I completely agree. It is ridiculous how many more games are coming out at 1200 points rather than 800 points. Again, the issue here is that as long as people keep buying, they will keep charging. Apparently enough people don't think 1200 points is far too much since XBLA games keep getting bought up like there's no tomorrow. Unfortunately for us, MS is "smart" and knows that, just like paying for Gold or paying for themes, as long as people keep coming back and opening their wallets, they can get away with ripping people off. It's called "business".

JasonXe
07-27-2009, 11:14 PM
Where do you live Acid? Good post Lucent +rep.

AC!D
07-27-2009, 11:43 PM
Where do you live Acid? Good post Lucent +rep.

South Africa.

@ Lucent Beam.

(1) On that point there is no defence. He might be exagerating but still RROD sucks.

(2) I get your point but what do you think now that they are getting extra income for ads? Still cool to charge for Live?

(3) Dont worry about PS3 comparisons because this guy ripped into PS3 last week and XboxEvolved boasted about how good and how right this guys article was hence why i posted this one to see what XE thinks of this article. I agree with you though if you dont have to buy it and you have a choice then theres no problem in my book.

(4) I agree but just like with Activision good bussiness for them with price hikes isnt good for us as consumers.

JasonXe
07-28-2009, 12:49 AM
South Africa.

(2) I get your point but what do you think now that they are getting extra income for ads? Still cool to charge for Live?


1) That sucks, maybe a news article would presude MS to do something about that.

2) What ads?

Kiwi
07-28-2009, 12:51 AM
There's an article about it on here somewhere, they're gonna start putting in advertisements. I would've thought the fact that you're paying for the service would mean you wouldn't have to see these.

Edit: Here we go...

Well, how’s this for a slap in the face? It looks like ads that have sound incorporated into them have come to the Xbox 360 dashboard. As you can see in the video above, the ad appears in a tile, and if you bring that tile into primary view, sound automatically plays - even if you don’t select the ad. That’s pretty low, considering you paid for the console, paid for the games, and more than likely, pay $50 a year for an Xbox LIVE Gold subscription. Here’s hoping that Silverlight in the Xbox 360 Fall 2009 dashboard update doesn’t bring even more advertising with it.

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Carlos
07-28-2009, 12:59 AM
silverlight WILL bring advertising. I tried it with WWE.com and ads are still the norm.

In fact, most videos will use silverlight, the same way some sites are using silverlight.

Fillibuster
07-28-2009, 12:59 AM
I hate paying for xbox live. But I'm a drone and the 360 would be a piece of shit without it so I'm forced to bend over for MS. Life's a bitch, we all know that.

Carlos
07-28-2009, 01:01 AM
but microsoft shouldn't be charging you for live when they have those advertisements.

GOLD = FREE NAO plz.

Kiwi
07-28-2009, 01:01 AM
They should really stop charging for Xbox Live if they're going to start putting in adverts.

Heh, is there an echo in here? :P

curryking1
07-28-2009, 01:02 AM
I think this thread is a little redundant too.

All of us pretty know what's going on with any of the consoles to at least some reasonable degree.

All these qualms and stuff... if you have a Xbox or not, you know about them, and you've already made your decision.

I mean... we all know what we want because we know what's available. We just don't need these 'impartial' articles anymore to justify what is behind any opinion we may or may not have.

If Acid wants to say something though, I have no problem with it. I just have a problem with someone else who we couldn't care less about and have no interest in saying something all of us already know.

Edit - As well, I can punch the blue goat and the red goat in the face.

But punching both doesn't make punching either goat any more reasonable.

Yes, that is now a famous proverb because I said it. No need to thank me...

TheGreenElf
07-29-2009, 05:59 PM
I read that whole thing. It really was useless because both companies do the same thing. And who "fears" turning on their Xbox? MS isn't the greatest company to me. But they aren't the worst either. Since I bought my Xbox about a year and a half ago, I've played it nearly every day since, and don't regret it at all. I also have not regretted spending a dime on Live. It's where I go for entertainment.

iSDK
07-29-2009, 06:17 PM
Who would have thought that Microsoft would try to make money on a loosing operation.

Huh, funny that.

XboxEvolved
07-29-2009, 11:36 PM
I just want to say, I'm glad that in the Xbox forum we can have a lot of varying opinions without people getting battered by other members. With that said, I agree that most of this article is ridiculous, and the guy likely has never even played Xbox 360 to a great degree.

While it does suck to have to pay for Xbox Live, it is still by way of consumer ratings, and professional ratings the best online gaming service available. I agree that they should make it free, and this is something that I think Microsoft has been working towards, as evident by the ads, but the sad thing is, they probably don't have enough ads in there..so you win some and then you will lose some either way.

TimmyJ
07-29-2009, 11:55 PM
I just want to say, I'm glad that in the Xbox forum we can have a lot of varying opinions without people getting battered by other members.

I just want to say that you could do without vilifying the entirety of the PlayStation side of the forums just because there are some raging, sad-bastard fanboys over there. Odds alone dictate that in a forum which seems to be predominantly the domain of PlayStation fans, you're going to encounter a greater number of morons that are unreasonably biased towards it. There are still plenty of expectedly reasonable folk over there.

Anyway, to me the current inclusion of ads looks an awful lot like they're preparing for a switch to free Live (or at least free multiplayer which, to my understanding, currently requires a Gold membership) but covering their arses in the process. Nothing wrong with that for the mild inconvenience they cause.

XboxEvolved
07-30-2009, 01:02 AM
Did I once say the Sony forums in general? I'm just glad it hasn't gone off topic, so let's keep it that way.

TimmyJ
07-30-2009, 01:36 AM
Fair point, but given your comments in the Natal thread (that very much were directed at the Sony forums) I took your post somewhat out of context. Apologies.

And just to be clear, I wasn't trying to aggravate or insult you, I just (mistakenly) felt that you were misguided in your views of the folks in the Sony forums.

Anywho, apologies again, and I shall now "shhh".

iSDK
07-30-2009, 02:19 AM
Well ignoring the above few posts... lets continue.

Since MS seems intent on getting more revenue for its services (in this case XBL) why not reorganize the two tiers.

Silver:
-Still Free but gains online multiplayer + neflix streaming
-But you get 1st and 2nd party advertising

Gold:
-Still a pay service, but you get netflix party service and a free wallpaper/skin every moth or something else light. And perhaps some extra things dealing with 1v100 or something
-NO ads

This would not only get more Silver users further into XBL and perhaps downloading more game (map pack) downloads for games to play online with others. As well as perhaps being able to charge advertisers for their ads. If these ads are directly game related then more money for MS again as these users might now be incited to buy XBL games like Braid that wouldn't normally get TV styled ads.

Dakota Grabowski
07-30-2009, 04:25 AM
I must say, if this is the same Jim Sterling that I have met at conventions and a few events, then this article was created to get fanatics on both sides in coming to Destructoid (you may want to put a link back to the original article) and registering hits for the site.

Jim and I had a convo at THQ in May (or maybe it was March) about how lousy N4G is, and how it's easy to manipulate their system. This article was clearly aimed at getting hits and having it skyrocket up that website's chart.

AC!D
07-30-2009, 11:28 AM
I just want to say, I'm glad that in the Xbox forum we can have a lot of varying opinions without people getting battered by other members. With that said, I agree that most of this article is ridiculous, and the guy likely has never even played Xbox 360 to a great degree.

You know XE i know your post is aimed at me for asking OG mokey to quit complaining about everything Sony but theres a big difference between the way you guys approach the playstation forums and we approach the X-box forums. Me and Viper had a similar argument in the Wii thread where maybe i worded my disapointment at Red steel being delayed wrong but we talked it out and i didnt run away and cry to you and Frosty now did i? Maybe if someone could communicate a little better than posting Meh in every single PS3 thread we would have worked out our misunderstanding. Its cool though i understand OG does a lot of work around here for you guys and you will defend regardless of whether he is wrong or right and believe me even though he might not think it i enjoy reading the work he does also ( infact good work on the 360 + article OG not that my opinion matters).

This is just some of the examples of stuff posted in the PS3 forums that just irritate instead of provide informed opinions..


e.g When i go into the the Sony E3 thread i dont go meh it sucked and then backtrack and say but i like Uncharted and GOW 3 etc ( Hypocrite much?).

e.g The Prototype thread and say meh inFAMOUS sucks. You want to know why PS3 forumites only want multiplatform threads of a game in the PS3 section instead of merging them or posting them in General because the Prototype thread would have become a why inFAMOUS sucks thread (Think about this one for a second it will come to you because you know im right).


e.g I dont have a hissy fit when Playstation forumites ask why MGS rising was moved out of the PS3 forums when it is clearly coming to PS3 much to OG Monkeys disgust.

e.g I dont go into the PS3 forums creating 20 threads that say convince me to buy a PS3 and up the perecentage in every new thread like when you were 80% sure and then 90% sure when we clearly know you will never buy a PS3. What would you do if i opened a im 90 sure im gonna buy an Xbox plus thread if it doesnt break down next year every freaking month?

e.g Oh and the hypocricy of when you posted the Jim Sterling topic and agreed this is why you hate playstation. You knew it was just flame bait yet you posted it knowing it was complete bullshit and flame bait like Dakota says. Now all of a sudden the guys a clown and his opinions on 360 are ridiculous. Funny that hey. Form a proper opinion and maybe you wont get bashed in the PS3 forums and maybe you will get more hits in these forums as this thread has already clearly provided.

Knowing you though you will come up with a crappy answer for all ive said instead of learning why the different sections of empire are so divided instead of inclusive for all.

Since MS seems intent on getting more revenue for its services (in this case XBL) why not reorganize the two tiers.

Silver:
-Still Free but gains online multiplayer + neflix streaming
-But you get 1st and 2nd party advertising

Gold:
-Still a pay service, but you get netflix party service and a free wallpaper/skin every moth or something else light. And perhaps some extra things dealing with 1v100 or something
-NO ads

This would not only get more Silver users further into XBL and perhaps downloading more game (map pack) downloads for games to play online with others. As well as perhaps being able to charge advertisers for their ads. If these ads are directly game related then more money for MS again as these users might now be incited to buy XBL games like Braid that wouldn't normally get TV styled a

I agree with this 100%. All i want is to be able to play online and buy DLC. If MS want to offer more as an incentive to pay for a gold membership that would be great.

Dakota Grabowski
07-30-2009, 02:40 PM
I agree with this 100%. All i want is to be able to play online and buy DLC. If MS want to offer more as an incentive to pay for a gold membership that would be great.

I remember the day when Microsoft had "Xbox Live Diamond"... boy did that turn out to be a bust.

Anyways, Sterling is a great guy. Glad to see him up to "no good" getting "both sides of the imaginary war" against one another since I bet it the article did real well on N4G.