France Rocks!

[Dark_Cloud]

Well, maybe not, but I dont see how they are all that bad. This Boycotting France shit is just getting on my nerves. We get mad at other countries for hating the US, and we hate France for the exact same reasons that people hate us. I think we are a little hypacritical. I plan to visit France one day. Theya re just tired of war. Every singe war that ever went on in Europe ended up trampling the French. Can you realy blame them for losing? In the past, they have also been the lone country to stand up for what is right. So no more " we saved France in WWII so they should kiss our asses" shit. I will be the first member to say:

FRANCE IS A OK!

[Sharobob]

:barf: france..

[Travis]

Yes, I blame France for getting stomped in WWII. Maybe they should have realized that their Maginot Line couldn't stand up to the German tanks...and they didn't even extend the Maginot Line to the Belgian border, so, for the SECOND TIME, the Germans marched RIGHT INTO FRANCE with very little opposition.

[Michael Bluth]

French people are meaner than American people. Isn't that so, Del?

[Haris]

I agree completely DC...

[dncardman]

French, hmm....don't even get me started on the French, they are really mean those jackasses did some stuff to my sister that is over there right now for some school thing.

[Dark_Cloud]

WWII was a hell of a long time ago. Its not like they have the same people in power or something. Get over it dude.

[SilverdragonUltima]

Originally posted by Sharobob
:barf: france..

:evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh

[Gunpei]

Originally posted by Dark_Cloud
WWII was a hell of a long time ago. Its not like they have the same people in power or something. Get over it dude.

You really think Jaque Sherack (or however the hell you spell his name) has made a difference??



:evillaugh :evillaugh

[DLX]

France thinks they own Everyone, they think there superior than Americans, because "There Language and Heritage" and this and that, so they dont want to help us out when we need it. Well Screw Them, Maybe we should go to war with them next and Teach them who the hell is boss.

[David]

Darklink, don't you as an American be talking about how other countries think they're better than others.

Good post DC, I agree 100%

[Gunpei]

Yes, it is true that France thinks that they are better than us and try to say that their culture is better than ours....Germany is doing the same thing.

Oh yeah, another reason why France doesnt want to go to war is because they know that we will uncover documents of France lending money to Iraq and selling them weapons.

[Viper]

I had a teacher once who took a vacation in France. On the first day, her rental car had the words, "Go Home Yankie" spray painted on it. On the second day, she was refused service at a resteraunt because they said they don't serve "Yankies".

[DLX]

Originally posted by David
Darklink, don't you as an American be talking about how other countries think they're better than others.

Good post DC, I agree 100%

But Its True, Look Gunpeo/Tendo agrees with me.

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by Gunpei
Yes, it is true that France thinks that they are better than us and try to say that their culture is better than ours....Germany is doing the same thing.

No Germans think that we think that we are the best, a German exchange student came and answered questions. However, they also love everything and anything American - music, TV, fashion, food, etc. She said there is more American music over there than there is here. o_O

[Viper]

Foreigners love our culture yet hate our government and its policies.

[Gunpei]

Originally posted by Phantagram
No Germans think that we think that we are the best, a German exchange student came and answered questions. However, they also love everything and anything American - music, TV, fashion, food, etc. She said there is more American music over there than there is here. o_O

....They still think their culture and Language is better then ours...my German teacher told me that they are trying to de-Americanize their language as we speak IE make words look and sound less like the american version.

[Viper]

Ok Thats being anal. Some resteraunts are trying to change french fries to freedom fries we are not trying to take all the German and French like words from our language.

Actually it's UKs language but you get the point.

[Gunpei]

Freedom Fries is the stupidest thing ever. People took that way too seriously. All the govt did was change the name of french fries to freedom fries ONLY in their cafeteria.

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by Gunpei
....They still think their culture and Language is better then ours...my German teacher told me that they are trying to de-Americanize their language as we speak IE make words look and sound less like the american version.

Your German teacher doesn't know much about Germany.

[Gunpei]

....She was born and raised there and she lives there in the summer smart guy.

[Kliq]

In my eyes, the French don't feel like raiding a country just because the U.S doesn't like them. Its good to see a United Nation not kissing America's ass all the time ... I bet if America had done the same thing France is doing no one would give a shit.

[Gunpei]

Other countries like France complain to much about us. They are always saying that we never do anything to help other countries, even though U.S. IS THE BIGGEST DONATER OF MONEY AND FOOD to them.

[Blaksmoke]

I like France. :)

[dork]

i don't hate france. i only hate that they hate us.

[The Dude]

I really dont care about France. Next time they are in a bind dont come running back to the US for help

[swifferman]

I really dont care about France. Next time they are in a bind dont come running back to the US for help


are you talking about world war 2? because
like, ya know, you didn't help them until 2 years after they were already invaded. so like yeah...

whatevs yo

this is a wacky tobaccky board yo

[The Dude]

are you talking about world war 2? because
like, ya know, you didn't help them until 2 years after they were already invaded. so like yeah...

whatevs yo

this is a wacky tobaccky board yo


no not just WWII, America tries to help every country that has been in need. I'm sick of America giving and getting nothing in return. When there are huge natural disasters America is almost always there to help, I dont see other any other country do that.

[plebben]

....They still think their culture and Language is better then ours...my German teacher told me that they are trying to de-Americanize their language as we speak IE make words look and sound less like the american version.

That is not only german.
Also Iceland, Norway and i think Greece often remake words to get a more national kling to it.
But it has nothing to do with hating america. In iceland and norway its under law that they have an institution that makes icelandic/norweigan versions of new words(mostly internet related words). Edit: you dont have to use them but there must be local versions for them for people that want to have native versions.
While i assume you directly when you read this take it as antiamericanism ill inform you that the reason is they want to save their languages from going extinct.
The same goes for germany and france. Its not about protesting or hating america(or the uk) its because they want to save it from being to mixed up and ultimately fade off in to english.

[plebben]

no not just WWII, America tries to help every country that has been in need. I'm sick of America giving and getting nothing in return. When there are huge natural disasters America is almost always there to help, I dont see other any other country do that.

What help has america ever needed or asked for?

[The Dude]

What help has america ever needed or asked for?

Let's see..

Heres a good one, California wild fires. We sure as hell could have used help with that.

[plebben]

From who?

[The Dude]

From who?

anyone, those fires were extreamly destructive, homes were lost acres upon acres were destroyed. America offers help to many forgien nations, very rarely you see them offering us aid

[plebben]

but.. who couldve helped? Canada? Did the Us gov. ask Canada for help?

[The Dude]

but.. who couldve helped? Canada? Did the Us gov. ask Canada for help?


your missing the point, its not who could have, its who offered

[plebben]

And you have insider information about whether or not america was offerd help?
The United States of America is on its own continent. With only canada and mexico as borders.
To help with a Fire you need to get equipment there. America would never let foreign military forces(which are usually used for catastrophy help and rescue) in without a lot of byrocracy involved, which would take so much time the fires wouldve been put out by american firefighters when they finaly get in to america.

[The Dude]

And you have insider information about whether or not america was offerd help?
The United States of America is on its own continent. With only canada and mexico as borders.
To help with a Fire you need to get equipment there. America would never let foreign military forces(which are usually used for catastrophy help and rescue) in without a lot of byrocracy involved, which would take so much time the fires wouldve been put out by american firefighters when they finaly get in to america.

Not military aid, some one could have sent over a few firefighters to help us out. We help tons of country's that are not on our continent, why cant they..

[plebben]

Because those coutries get help from many other countries aswell. Besides these countries dont have the resources or economy to get personell over to america. And they dont have the expertise needed. That is why american and helpworkers are wanted and needed. They have technology and knowledge that ie. Iran doesnt have. or Bangladesh or Sudan etc etc.

[Viper]

^So America is the most generous country on Earth yet we still get hated on.

[plebben]

well lots of american companies use extremely cheap labour. Working condtions are under any standard you could imagine. that is why a lot of anger is starting.

[Viper]

They hate us because we bring them jobs? Those jobs aren't any cheaper than any local company there, just cheaper than what that company would have to pay in America or the same labor. India is loving the American company job boom.

[plebben]

its not as easy as that. I think theire happy to get a job to start with. But they know these companies have such amounts of money its incomprehendable for them they do not understand why they cant get great salaries when the local jobbproviders barly have money to pay their workers at all.
And also in many places unemployment is so high they dont have any other option if they want money.. and when they work theire treated as animals.. as of latly theer has been a lot of reports on this and many companies have tighten their policies and raised salaries but people who started working 25 years ago dont forget how they were exploited.

[BrokenLink]

You're just fueling the fires of hatred. Didn't France give America the Statue of Liberty, which has become one of America's greatest symbols? And those things you claim the French have done are also completely stupid. How did this start anyways?

On WWII:
Wasn't the war pretty far in by the time the U.S. joined. Until the bombing of Pearl Harbour joining the war was against America's best interest. Countries can't just join in any war that comes along.

On aid:
America is a superpower. It has the resources to aid the world in it's troubles. America can take care of itself whereas other countries might not be able to. Aid should not be given with the expectation of reward.

[Skull Kid]

Dammit Blaksmoke. Were you aware this thread is over a year old when you bumped it? :uhoh:

[Blaksmoke]

Holy crap! I didn't realize that. It was at the top of the page......

[swifferman]

The_Dude, those are some foolish statements. You really have no idea about the rest of the world...

And you guys think you're all super generous and shizet right?

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kai/foreignaid.jpg

Us North Americans are what the rest of the world calls fat cats.

According to the Footprints of Nations the ecological foot print of one average American is 10.3 hectares or 25.45 acres. That is five city blocks plus about two lots (using 5 acre blocks divided into 24 lots). That is how much land it takes to supply all the energy, food, paper, building materials, and consumer goods to keep one average person living the life to which he or she has grown accustomed. By contrast the ecological footprint of average world citizen is 2.8 hectares or 6.92 acres. That is one city block plus about three lots. In India the average person uses about 1.98 acres. That means that about nine city lots supplies all that the average Indian survives on.

The numbers become really interesting when you look- at the land area that people in North America actually use. Figure 6 shows the ecological footprint for the Lower Fraser Valley, the area east of Vancouver, which contains 1.7 million people or 4.25 people per hectare. The area is far smaller than that needed to supply the resources for. its population. If the average Canadian needs 4.8 hectares as shown in table 1, then the Lower Fraser Valley needs an area 20 times larger than what's actuall y available for food, forestry products and energy.

American citizen: 25.45 acres of land to support oneself
Indian Citizen: 1.98 acres
Canadian: 4.8 hectares = 11.8610583 acres

[swifferman]

no not just WWII, America tries to help every country that has been in need. I'm sick of America giving and getting nothing in return. When there are huge natural disasters America is almost always there to help, I dont see other any other country do that.


DOUBLE POST! but my other one was long...

You expect something in return, why exactly? Not because you need it, but because you feel you deserve it?

Read my other post on how much Americans "help" compared to the rest of the world (canada isn't so hot either i'm just saying we shouldn't be too high up on our horse)

And how the hell are people supposed to help with the Californian Wild Fires?
France, send us some firetrucks on an airplane express post! STAT!

Canadians could help, but that wouldn't be practical because unless a state of emergency is called, we never help each other. And you expect Mexico to help? THey don't exactly have the resources to do anything of value.

[plebben]

wohoo im so generous.
nah
kinda odd.. i really thought america gave more to aid than that.. worldwatch should have reliable numbers.. but still.. i dunno im still a bit sceptic.
Denmark is the only country to increase its spending? wow thats also pretty weird.
These numbers were for 1992 and 2000. Last year their new government had some scandals with racist laws stoping immigrants to settle down in denmark without a very good reason. Ah well that has nothing to do with aid spendings though.

[Viper]

Denmark - $155.3 billion @ 1.1% = $1.7 billion

US - $10.45 trillion @ 0.1% = $10.5 billion


I'd say we still give plenty more.


Source: info please almanac 2002

[plebben]

of course America give more.
Denmark could never give that much. It'd bankrupt their economy :D
gimme a break.. that was one fucking cheapshot low comparisson viper... bah

Its about the what you can provide that matters moraly.

[Travis]

I love it when people post aid amounts by percentage of GDP. We have such a huge GDP that it makes OUR stats look like shit, when really we give the most actual money for aid than any other country. Viper pointed out this point with stats from an almanac.

[plebben]

Yeah because the percentage shows how much of that coutires possible assets they give away in aid.
if one country has the possibility of giving 1 billion and another coutry only 100 million and the 2nd gives away 1 million of that money while the 1st gives 2 million who is the most generous? concidering expenses at home.

[swifferman]

omg plebben...
Yes, it is GDP. So it is a percentage basis so thus how generous "each" individual person is.

Suzuki, that's kind of a dumb thing to say because that's the entire basis of the GDP, to see a comparison. like Viper's numbers, Denmark makes sooo much less than America, but they donate a higher percentage worth of aid. How can you deny that they donate more per person?

[plebben]

is GDP the same as GNP?

[Viper]

Guys, the donate 1% more......1%. Not 10% or 20% but 1%. America also has 100% more BS to deal with and pay for than Denmark.

[Viper]

GDP: measure of the United States economy adopted in 1991; the total market values of goods and services by produced by workers and capital within the United States borders during a given period (usually 1 year)

Encyclopedia article

In economics, the gross domestic product (GDP) is a measure of the size of the economy of a particular territory.

It is defined as the total value of all goods and services produced within that territory during a specified period (most commonly, per year).



The two numbers are usually only off by about $10 million dollars.


GNP: former measure of the United States economy; the total market value of goods and services produced by all citizens and capital during a given period (usually 1 yr)

[plebben]

Guys, the donate 1% more......1%. Not 10% or 20% but 1%. America also has 100% more BS to deal with and pay for than Denmark.
Its still 10 times as much of what they are capable of donating in comparisson to what the US are capable of donating.

Viper the US has so much more to deal with with costs yes. But remember that the income from taxes and you name it is uncomparable to denmark.
5 million people live in Denmark.
There are 270 million in the US.

[The Dude]

Swifferman all I have to say to is,

Dont hate the payer hate the game.

We are fat cats because we earned it. I enjoy my 25 acers very much, thank you

[Viper]

Plebben, the difference is still only 1%. If we added 1% more to our foreign aide, that would match their %, it would be over $105 billion dollars. If we did that, you'd have every old person in the country crying why they had to cut Medicare benefits to support a bunch of people who don't even live here.


By the way, that chart does not take into account military aide which would briing that total to over $100 billion. Which means our actual aide percentage is closer to 1.5%.

Like I said, the most giving nation on the planet.

[plebben]

Viper same thing would happen if denmark raised theirs with 1% ;)
The old people in denmark would go bananas aswell. They dont have the sam expenses but they have nowhere close to american income either. so for the share its
the same.
And, out of curiousity, do you know anything about denmarks military aid? any numbers?

[Viper]

Percapita Income
5 United States 33,900
6 Denmark 32,400

Military Expenditures.
1 United States 281,000,000,000
37 Denmark 2,780,000,000

Military Budget
1 United States 399,100,000,000
34 Denmark 2,400,00,000



US $9,500,000,000 in foreign humanitarian assistance budgeted for 2004. That is 4 x more than Denmarks entire military budget.

Lets not forget the $8,000,000,000 in financial economic aide too.

Actual figures of Denmark military humanitarian aide were not available.

[plebben]

ok
that shows clearly that the US uses a lot more money on military budget per capita than denmark.

[Viper]

It also shows the $17.5 billion dollar US foreign aide over Denmarks $2.4 billion dollar entire miltary budget.


Per person, yes Denmark spends more, never said they didn't but the percentage difference is only 1% but the actual dollar amounts are vastly different.

[plebben]

i never argued against that.
its just that denmark is givin more of what they are capable of than what the US does.

Im not denying that noone gives more than the US when it comes to just count the raw cash.

its just that the dude said he was tired of that the US gives all this and then some but nobody pays any respect. That chart shows that so does a lot of other coutries too its just that the US is seen doing it everywhere because that little procentage take so much more space on the scene than denmarks procentage, while denmark actually give more of what theyre capable of.
Its not that im denying things would be totaly fucked if america didnt donate all they do.
I mean if the american government said "no we dont give a shit about the rest of the world anymore" many parts of the world would fall to ruins. If denmark said the same there wouldnt be much of a noticable differance. But thats because denmark dont have the resources to make them something the worldaid has to depended on.

[Blaksmoke]

It's like that story where the poor homeless man drops a quarter in a chairty can, and than a rich movie star walks up and drops in a dollar.

[swifferman]

Viper, stop arguing with plebben. he just keeps repeating himself wiht a different sentence

Statistics wise, per person Denmark donates more. That's all there is to it.

Quantity is vastly different because resources are vastly different.

END OF GAME

ANd the_dude, did we really earn it? I know for sure I did jack shit to earn this, other than the fact that i was born here. I can guarantee you that they wokr twice as hard over there.

[advancemonkey]

I am not saying we should hurt France, but I would like it if their newspapers would stop being so anti-American. I respect thier opinion and the war is not Frances problem so their newspapers really dont have to pound us for doing absolutly nothing agianst French intrests.

[plebben]

i dont read any french newspapers, but can someone confirm to me that french newspapers are generally anti-american?
Someone who daily reads french newspapers that is...

[The Dude]

ANd the_dude, did we really earn it? I know for sure I did jack shit to earn this, other than the fact that i was born here. I can guarantee you that they wokr twice as hard over there.

I know I have earned everything I have, I work a full time job and go to college.The car I drive? I bought it. I may live my parents still but I pay them rent. I also pay for my own college. I think I work pretty damn hard to keep my desired life style up. Work twice as hard huh? Thats an interesting argument I would like to hear. Are you telling me Canadians work harder then Americans? Becuse it sure sound like it

[JackieChanIsGOD]

I love Europe.

[David]

American citizen: 25.45 acres of land to support oneself
Indian Citizen: 1.98 acres
Canadian: 4.8 hectares = 11.8610583 acres

Hey Swiffer, those numbers have to be wrong for Canada. Canada is larger than the US and has 1/10th of the its population, but somehow your figures show that we only have half the amount of land/person?

[Dark_Cloud]

Dude, swifferman isn't the brightest crayon in the box.

[swifferman]

I know I have earned everything I have, I work a full time job and go to college.The car I drive? I bought it. I may live my parents still but I pay them rent. I also pay for my own college. I think I work pretty damn hard to keep my desired life style up. Work twice as hard huh? Thats an interesting argument I would like to hear. Are you telling me Canadians work harder then Americans? Becuse it sure sound like it


Not Canadians...
Indians...

It's all about opportunity dude. Probably something like .5% of Indian youth go on to attend University/College. Compare that with something like 23% of American youth (not actual numbers). You're telling me that they don't go to University because thye don't work hard?

David, those figures aren't land per person. It's land needed to sustain each citizen. So it's like saying Americans use 25 acres of land and resources and Indians use 2. Not how much actualy land they have.

And Dark Cloud

I'm the brightest crayon in the box BIATCH!!!!!! (i just got sharpened)

[Dark_Cloud]

Dudee, ,swifferman, make your goddamn move in arena!

[The Dude]

Not Canadians...
Indians...

It's all about opportunity dude. Probably something like .5% of Indian youth go on to attend University/College. Compare that with something like 23% of American youth (not actual numbers). You're telling me that they don't go to University because thye don't work hard?


Guess so, America is a land of oppertunity, any one can achive their goals if they are motivated. It's what's great about America, no matter were you came from rich, poor, black,white, whatever. If you take advantage of your freedoms you can achive your dreams

[plebben]

how much do you know about opportunity chances in other countries, the dude?
im just curious...

[The Dude]

how much do you know about opportunity chances in other countries, the dude?
im just curious...


Considering I live in America I dont, and I doubt you know much more then me. I do know that starting a bussiness in many other Eruo countires is very difficult compared to america due much heavyer government regulation and taxe laws.This is a little off topic but our employment rate is much better

Why do you think people flock to this America? Why are Cubans/mexicans risk everything to live here? I'll tell you why we are the land of oppertunity

[plebben]

hey, I said I was just curious.
I didnt say you were wrong in what you said.

I know perfectly well that america is way friendlier than most euro-countries if you wanna run your own buisness and stuff...