PsP or DS??

[The_Cat]

I am eventually going to buy either a DS or PSP, but I am not sure which one yet. To those of you who own at least one of the two, why did you buy one over the other (or which do you like better if you own both)? What are some of the pros and cons of each? I hope to get some unbiased opinions without flame wars. Obviously both are good systems and both have some advantages over the other. For example, PSP has better graphics, and DS has longer battery life. What info can you offer me that will make my decision easier?

[Shotgun Plasma]

I don't own anything but they do share the same flaw, dead pixels, the most common problems. I was get sony because of castlevania, i am a huge fan of castlevania such as aira of sorrow, harmony of dissconsine and circle of the moon. I still play them.

[Nights]

I believe the follow is the best help I can give.

PSP In Game Screens to view click here (http://nintendonow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31642). 56K warning - over 70 games with pictures.

PSP Release List to view click here (http://nintendonow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30274). (Over 200 announced titles, by the developers)

PSP Faq 2 to view click here (http://nintendonow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31645). All you could possibly want to know about the PSP. If there is something else you would like to know just ask there and I will ad it to the faq.

[Shotgun Plasma]

Nights, keep the dancing alien sig forever....

[Spatula]

seeing as the psp hasnt been released yet in america, its foolish to say anything on it.

[Nights]

seeing as the psp hasnt been released yet in america, its foolish to say anything on it.

Does this include me? I own one. (Import)


However for the people who haven't played one I agree.

[Spatula]

im hella envious of you, nights.

but, i doubt all of these people own imports. ive seen many forums bash the psp and put the ds over it, but its stupid to do such a thing because if youre a nintendo fanboy, youve experienced it.

so many people bashed the n64 without ever playing it, and giving an opinion on a psp (good or bad) without playing it is silly. some people (like you, who is godly) may have an import, but its not enough to make an opinion thread just yet in time.

[dementia]

The games for both handhelds don't interest me yet. However, Lumines for PSP has sparked my interest and Chu Chu Rocket DS has me salivating as well.

Honestly, I'd probably just go with which ever one Sega supports the most. [/whore]

[Nights]

im hella envious of you, nights.

but, i doubt all of these people own imports. ive seen many forums bash the psp and put the ds over it, but its stupid to do such a thing because if youre a nintendo fanboy, youve experienced it.

so many people bashed the n64 without ever playing it, and giving an opinion on a psp (good or bad) without playing it is silly. some people (like you, who is godly) may have an import, but its not enough to make an opinion thread just yet in time.

I agree...my system of choice was the Sega Saturn!

[The_Cat]

Thanks for the info Nights. The FAQ was really helpful. Is Nights the only person here that has a psp? I figured there were several people that had imported one by now. I am seriously considering buying my first non-Nintendo product since Atari. All the really good Nintendo Games, in my opinion, will be on Revolution. If I bought a psp I would get to sample what Sony has to offer too, and I would still get to play most of Nintendos best games.

[Nights]

The games for both handhelds don't interest me yet. However, Lumines for PSP has sparked my interest and Chu Chu Rocket DS has me salivating as well.

Honestly, I'd probably just go with which ever one Sega supports the most. [/whore]

Then like me you will get a PSP.

So far Sega has these to look forward to on the PSP:

Project S (Guessing it’s a Sonic Game/however with the RPG love the PSP is getting it could be the rumored Shining Force 3 scenario 1-3 best strategy rpg ever made and only scenario 1 made it to the US.)
Puyo Pop Fever
Untitled (Communication RPG game, Sega)
Untitled (Digital Pet game, Sega)
Untitled (Graphical Adventre game, Sega)
Untitled (Multiplayer Sports game, Sega)

[OutlawAdidas]

Actually I'm not gonna try to sway your judgement, but nights is very bias on this subject and misinfomed.

Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. If you want better graphics, bad analog, and less battery, with this generation games then you can go with the PSP.

If you want longer battery life, low price, 3d graphics ranging from n64-dreamcast and awesome cel shading graphics. and a system with new ways of playing a game then go with the DS.

Other than that I can't help u. Nights has it in his head that the PSP is God.
The DS is awesome and IMO, much better than the PSP.

[Classic Trogdor]

In my opinion, the PSP is essentially a portable PS2. If you don't own a PS2 as of now and want one, definitely save up for the PSP. Other than that, I can't say very much about it since I haven't played one, and, don't plan on owning it. Regardless of this matter, I have been very impressed with the DS I purchased. Although misinformed developers and "gamers" have complained about the DS's lack of innovation, this is hardly the case. Don't listen to the "qualified" judgements which claim that the bottom screen contains nothing more than a map. I've played Mario 64 DS on "touch screen analog emulation" for the past two weeks, and it makes for one of the most accurate platformers I've ever played...quite an acheivement for any game, especially on a handheld. Plus, I've put about 30 hours into it so far...not bad for a $30 game, huh?

If you like:
Accurate Platformers
"True Control" First Person Shooters
Nintendo Games
Get a DS

If you like:
PS2 games (I'm not being biased, most PSP games are exaclty like their PS2 counterparts)
Get a PSP

[Nights]

All said and done, however, the PSP is a fantastic console, but one with its own unique share of faults. I suppose that, in the end, Nintendo only claims to want older gamers with its DS, but Sony actually nets them with its PSP. The two consoles are so markedly different that the PSP renders the DS nothing more than a toy. At the same time however, there is no question as to which one is made for game play. Sony’s PSP is almost a hybrid entertainment center, a fusion between the new wave of visual MP3 players and its own Clie brand, and (at least with respect to consumers) it really needs to prove that the PSP stands for PlayStation Portable if it hopes to pull the rug from under Nintendo’s pompous feet. How ironic, though, that the “gaming standard” would launch with such sub-par drivel (Ping Pals anyone?) and yet the competition offers cutting edge products and performance rivaling that of Nintendo’s full fledged Gamecube platform.

Call me a Sony fanboy if you want (though for reference I own a DS and Gameboy SP) but it’s just a label and an unjustified one at that. I am more than willing to accept Nintendo’s handheld gaming success, I openly admit to buying products for their consoles, and I think the DS has a lot to offer given the nature of its design. That said however, the PSP is not the Nintendo DS, nor is it the unfinished trinket that Nintendo would have the public believe. If one wants to blind themselves to the advancement of handheld gaming, if one wants to hide behind paltry arguments such as battery life issues, they are the ones missing out. The North American DS packaging may claim that the touch screen feature is a revolution, but if that is true than Sony’s PSP is nothing short of an evolution.

[orcus116]

If Sony had dropped the useless mp3 and DVD players on the PSP it would probably stand a much better chance in taking the lead. Not that it doesn't already but I've already got a PS2 and a portable DVD player so I don't see why I would need to shell out money for this thing.

[Shayde]

The choice was easy for me.

DS - Nintendo games.
PSP - Only like 3 or 4 announced games I'm interested in.

[Nights]

The choice was easy for me.

DS - Nintendo games.
PSP - Only like 3 or 4 announced games I'm interested in.

Out of over 200 games???

That's WHACK...no offense but man...

[dementia]

Um, I'm currently interested in one PSP game.

[OutlawAdidas]

Out of over 200 games???

That's WHACK...no offense but man...


Are you actually gonna get all those games.......?

I mean come on. The numbers are nice, but lets say out of those 200 gmaes, 50 is kiddy games, another 50 are lackluster games, and the other 50 are 50 games u just don't like. No one has enough money to buy 50 games. Stop flaunting numbers


oh yea, and technically, the PSP is a handheld not a console (My opinion) and consoles/handhelds are toys, just different forms with different names

[Shayde]

Out of over 200 games???

That's WHACK...no offense but man...


Metal Gear Acid (Konami) (Still iffy...)
Rockstar Game 1 & 2 (Rockstar) (Both a big maybe)
Team Ninja project (Tecmo)
Twisted Metal: World Tour (SCEA/Incog) (Only liked the first 2, would give a try though)
Viewtiful Joe Series (Capcom) (I'd rather have it on DS)

Those are the only ones that intrest me as of now..

[Nights]

Have you looked at the games with pics...there are some awesome ones.

By all means don't buy the PSP if you don't want any games coming out for it. I'm just surprised considering how many more games are coming out for it and how much better the lineup is currently. (At least the 6 games I have for the PSP are better than the DS lineup)

When thinking about future titles I am a RPG fan first, with the massive amount of RPGS that are coming on the psp (heck it has a darn good one already) I can't help but be excited!

However if you seen the release list and game pictures and nothing looks interesting to you hold off...until either system does that for you.

[Bloodman]

Have you looked at the games with pics...there are some awesome ones.

LOLLOLOLOLOLOL

I have a DS and graphics are pointless in a system. While i play super mario 64 DS i hardly even notice the graphincs and they suck compared to psp.

Dont buy a system based on graphics or you'll end up pissed

[DLazare91]

I have to say I love my Ds and if the Ds games dont interest you yet keep in mind that it has backwards compatability with GBA.

[exile]

Have you looked at the games with pics...there are some awesome ones.
That quote alone should make you realize that nights is out of his mind. He'd rather buy a game on its looks then it's actual game play. Good work man, you make this easy.

[Sendok]

^ i think you took that a bit out of context.

the pics show what you do in the games, and he also goes on to say that he has found 6 titles for the PSP he enjoyes.

[Nights]

That quote alone should make you realize that nights is out of his mind. He'd rather buy a game on its looks then it's actual game play. Good work man, you make this easy.
That quote alone should make you realize that nights is out of his mind. He'd rather buy a game on its looks then it's actual game play. Good work man, you make this easy.


So your telling me when you see a new picture of Legend of Zelda or a new Animal Crossing on the DS you don't drool?

A game doesn't have to be the best in graphics to make one drool.

Examples: seeing in game screens of Animal Crossing or Paper Mario 2 for the Gamecube. (I know I did!)


These attempts to derail me are futile, try something else...at least talk about the battery life again or something…

[Sendok]

lets talk about moving media...

i don't have an issue w/it in my iPod or Powerbook...but im not sold on it in a handheld.

[Nights]

I enjoy it actually, although I don't know if all of it was necessary.

I believe that the MP3 player support was. I mean if it was going to play MP3's through UMD games anyway and have Memory to store MP3s then why not add it in? It doesn't up the price of the system since you had all the features in it anyway. The sound quality for the PSP is exceptional with proper ear buds. The ones from the value pack are not.

The movie aspect is questionable. Since there are only around 10-20 UMD's movies announced for the system it's too early to tell...why, because the cartoons for the GBA have been a major success. People seem to enjoy watching movies on there handheld gaming system. The GBA proved that there is a market for such features and Sony took that into full consideration when creating the PSP. Personally I am only slightly optimistic at best for the UMD movies. There is also the fact that movies and only movies will be region coded, games are region free, and if I wanted to watch American movies I would have to buy a separate American PSP.

The transfer movie media to the PSP is a different story. I have Tivo that is connected to my computer so I can store saved shows onto my computer. This has proven to works perfectly for me…my girlfriend for example loves the TV show Charmed, and I was able to store 3 hours worth of the last season onto my PSP surprisingly easy, I mean EASY, and at a good speed. I of course don’t use the standard memory stick, as I have the SD Pro Dou Memory sticks. Now tell me, who needs extra copies of there DVD's when all they have to do is transfer the ones they want to view on a memory stick?

I have to admit that I’m using these features, specifically the mp3 feature, much more that I thought I would. Just the fact that I only have to have one system to do all this is very convenient and saves space in my pocket!

[Sendok]

very true and using the memory stick does cut down on power usage.

I'm just more worried about the PSP having issues spinning the UMD after say 2-3 years.

[Nights]

LOL

I understand you on that one actually...I have the same fear with that as well, however from personal experience, I also have a similar fear that the Touch screen on my DS will again randomly stop working, this has happened to me once already.

For the consumer’s sake, I hope that both systems end up being durable and long lasting.

[Sendok]

yeah, i hope so.

Id really hate to see either system die because of civil suits.

[Agent Orange]

I haven't played the PSP yet but its easily the best choice. It has a large library of announced titles which will only grow because, face it, Sony has the third party support. So even if there isn't one launch game you like then there's more on the way. I, for one, am tired of spending hundreds of dollars (its 150, I know) for nintendo systems and only getting a few, though magnificent, first party titles out of them. Even this won't stop me from buying Gamecube 2, or whatever it'll be called. I love the games too much. I can, however, go without remakes of old classics and maybe the occasional missed gem on the DS. I played it and the control was just clunky. 3D just works better with analog. I'm all for new and innovative gameplay but this, I don't think, is the way. I fear that it's going to be hard for developers to incorporate the second screen into gameplay effectivley too. Hell, I hope the DS turns out to be great but I can't see it. So, with PSP's third party support, analog, graphics, etc. I can look past it's faults. The DS doesn't compare.

[Nights]

I'm still trying to figure out why people make the DS sound like Cell Shading Graphics is going to be awesome for the DS,

Heck PSX/Saturn could do Cell shaded graphics...so why is the DS being able to do it so great?

PSX pics below:

http://www.lamepro.com/sony/psx/games/reviews/images/7245-5-2.jpg
http://www.lamepro.com/sony/psx/games/previews/images/6286-6-2.jpg

[Shayde]

I'm not much of an RPG guy...I prefer SNES RPGS to the new ones, I like a few though (PM2, ToS...KOTOR of course). And since a Secret of Mana-esque game is coming to the DS I couldn't give a shit about any other RPGS and....because I'm a Nintendo Fanboy (Not really...but I'd take N over anyone else anyday)

[Crisis Core]

Actually I'm not gonna try to sway your judgement, but nights is very bias on this subject and misinfomed.

Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. If you want better graphics, bad analog, and less battery, with this generation games then you can go with the PSP.

If you want longer battery life, low price, 3d graphics ranging from n64-dreamcast and awesome cel shading graphics. and a system with new ways of playing a game then go with the DS.

Other than that I can't help u. Nights has it in his head that the PSP is God.
The DS is awesome and IMO, much better than the PSP.
As if you're any less bias or misinformed?

Better Graphics, good analog, comparable battery life = PSP

Comparable battery life, similiar price, slightly better N64 graphics. = DS

[koten]

I'm still trying to figure out why people make the DS sound like Cell Shading Graphics is going to be awesome for the DS,

Heck PSX/Saturn could do Cell shaded graphics...so why is the DS being able to do it so great?

PSX pics below:

http://www.lamepro.com/sony/psx/games/reviews/images/7245-5-2.jpg
http://www.lamepro.com/sony/psx/games/previews/images/6286-6-2.jpg

Why the hell would someone make a game, based of a CGI movie, in cell shading?

[Phoenix]

As if you're any less bias or misinformed?

Better Graphics, good analog, comparable battery life = PSP

Comparable battery life, similiar price, slightly better N64 graphics. = DS
The battery lives aren't comparable. The PSP's battery life is commonly underestimated (4-6, not 2-3), but it's still inferior to the DS's by a good margin. And you actually like that rubber nub? It's almost as bad as playing PC games on a laptop!
Outlaw's comparison was actually rather unbiased, with an acception of this part: "3D graphics ranging from N64-Dreamcast and awesome cel shading graphics". The PSP is more capable of cel-shading, and you just said "better" for the PSP instead of an in-depth discription like the DS.

[OutlawAdidas]

http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/554/554928/kenshuui-tendou-dokuta-20041007105017519.jpg

DS celshading

http://www.dshandheld.com/images/system/media/298/10.jpg

http://www.dshandheld.com/images/system/media/298/11.jpg

DS graphics pushed to the max

[Nights]

The battery lives aren't comparable. The PSP's battery life is commonly underestimated (4-6, not 2-3), but it's still inferior to the DS's by a good margin. And you actually like that rubber nub? It's almost as bad as playing PC games on a laptop!
Outlaw's comparison was actually rather unbiased, with an acception of this part: "3D graphics ranging from N64-Dreamcast and awesome cel shading graphics". The PSP is more capable of cel-shading, and you just said "better" for the PSP instead of an in-depth discription like the DS.

The Analog feels wonderful.

Give it a try, you'll see.

[Bloodman]

I have givin some thought into buying a psp but i have come to the conclusion that i wont. To me it would be a waste of money. The only thing Psp has on the DS in gameplay is graphics and anolog. But DS has analog too, the touch screen, which people say works better than psp's anolog. And graphics really should not matter. Think about it, would you buy a game that has graphics better than the next gen graphics even if gameplay is shit? I wouldn't. I play Jet Force Gemini for N64 and compared to Halo1/2 it is 10x's better and halo beats jet force with its large array of weapons and awsome graphics. But it's all about gameplay people, gameplay.

[Nights]

I have givin some thought into buying a psp but i have come to the conclusion that i wont. To me it would be a waste of money. The only thing Psp has on the DS in gameplay is graphics and anolog. But DS has analog too, the touch screen, which people say works better than psp's anolog. And graphics really should not matter. Think about it, would you buy a game that has graphics better than the next gen graphics even if gameplay is shit? I wouldn't. I play Jet Force Gemini for N64 and compared to Halo1/2 it is 10x's better and halo beats jet force with its large array of weapons and awsome graphics. But it's all about gameplay people, gameplay.

LOL, nobody has said that.

IGN/Gamespot/etc... PSP analog controls are wonderful, controller feels better than PS2 controller.

DS: All they do is wish it had analog like the PSP. Example: Mario

[OutlawAdidas]

LOL, nobody has said that.

IGN/Gamespot/etc... PSP analog controls are wonderful, controller feels better than PS2 controller.

DS: All they do is wish it had analog like the PSP. Example: Mario


Bullshit

the PSP analog can't be better than the PS2 and you damn well know that.

Its bigger and allows for more movement. Your just givin the PSP more credit where its not due

[Bloodman]

LOL, nobody has said that.


Yes they have. People from the forums have said that. Go to the nintendo boards and look into the DS threads. And please dont think that what I say is a lie or a made up statistic, cause unlike half the people on the forums i keep my stuff true to the core.

[Nights]

You went to a Nintendo thread to get this information.

(ROFLOL)

I don't believe it's a lie, seeing that there. I can tell you personally it's wonderful.

[Viral Mutation]

I don't care if the PSP has better graphics. I'd proudly choose DS/GBA/GCN then PSP/PS2. I don't mind Ps2 o.o It has a lot of RPG's

[OutlawAdidas]

^from a guy who loves Scaler uh huh

[Tael]

Should I get a psp because have a ps2? The psp looks really good. Nights, is the analogue stick as good as you say it is?

[Nights]

Yep, I would consider it an analog slide, it does stick out a little though. Just wait tell there on display, you will see...

[Phoenix]

Yep, I would consider it an analog slide, it does stick out a little though. Just wait tell there on display, you will see...The actual term for it is an Analog Disc.

[Bloodman]

You went to a Nintendo thread to get this information.

(ROFLOL)

Do you have super ADD or something? Of course I had to go to a nintendo thread to get the information. I said that SOME people say that the DS's anolog/touchscreen mix was better than a standard anolog stick which is better than the psp's. I'm starting to think you are younger than you say you are.

Also i dont believe that you even own a DS. You act as if you are not biased but i know you really are. You only participate in few DS discussions (which really isn't a good move if you are trying to lie to us. If you are trying to do a good job you would participate in more), and to those discussions all you do is sneak attack the psp on us when the thread does not mention it. There was never one time that I could think of that you ever even said anything good about DS. Also, please stop saying "ROFLOL" cause ever time i read it in one of your posts it annoys the crap outta me, it doesn't get your point across and it makes people think you are just taunting them.

[kadr]

Not that I have much to add to the conversation at large that nobody else hasn't said already, but since people are arguing about who could possibly have such an opinion: I think the touch screen on the DS is an amazingly accurate method of control. Second only to a mouse/WASD setup on the PC. And THAT is second only to mind control. I barely get that sort of accuracy walking myself down the street. ;-)

Actually, my alterior motive for posting a poll (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=18266) a while ago was to investigate that very topic. I was curious to see what people (at large) thought about control methods based on their gaming background. It's an interesting angle to consider. I think.

Suffice it to say that if developers can pull their heads out, we will see games on the DS that would be cumbersome (if not impossible) to execute on other platforms. :D

[Sheena Subaru]

There's already games like that. I'd like to see anyone pull off Feel the Magic on a different platform. :p

I like the DS because most of my favorite developers are supporting it.

Namco:
Baten Kaitos DS
Xenosaga DS
PacPix (can't wait for that!)

Square Enix:
Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles DS
Mana game

Konami:
Castlevania (sequel to Aria of Sorrow!)

THQ:
Tetris

and of course Nintendo's own games, such as:
Animal Crossing
Legend of Zelda
Mario Kart
Another Code
Wario Ware Twisted
Jam with the Band (aka Band Brothers)
Super Princess Peach
Super Mario Bros.
Yoshi's Touch & Go

And that's just titles that are already announced. Who knows what else will charm me that hasn't been announced yet? ;)

The PSP on the other hand only has a few titles that I'm interested in:
Tales of Eternia
Lumines
Mercury

I know I will end up buying a PSP at some point just to have it for my collection, but I don't see any need to get it at launch. I'll wait until there's more games announced that I want, or until the first price drop.

[Zeep]

The PSP is possibly the WORST piece of gaming hardware I have EVER seen. Here's just a few of it's flaws:

- Screen shows fingerprints VERY easily, and the buttons are so close to the screen, you WILL get prints on the border of the screen. I've seen people using it.

- Speaking of buttons too close to the screen, because the square button is so close to the screen, they had to move the actual button contact inside the PSP, causing the square button to stick and not be as responsive as it should. And guess what? Sony doesn't care. They like it that way.

- Sony is not exactly known for durable hardware. If anything, it's known for very FRAGILE hardware. And handheld + fragile = broken handheld.

- The way they protect the screen is by encasing the screen INSIDE of the casing, and you see it through clear plastic (that's the part that gets fingerprints). This makes it a) impossible to replace the screen without shipping it back to Sony, and b) It reduces the sharpness of the screen.

- The discs shoot out. There's a hardware glitch where, if you twist the system a little bit, it shoots the disc out. Here's a video. (http://www.gamesarefun.com/consoles/psp/pspdefect3.mov) And honestly, how many times have you gotten a little bit frustrated and really twisted a console controller and used a lot of force on it? Be honest.

- When Sony first showed off the UMD discs, people wondered how they could popssibly keep the discs safe while carrying them around. So Sony decided to put the disc in a little plastic case, like a floppy disc. But guess what? You know the little slider things that protects the opening on a floppy disc? There isn't one on the UMDs. Imagine you're playing, and you accidentally twist it, your disc shoots out onto the ground. A little dust or grit gets into the opening. You don't notice, and you stick it into your PSP again. It starts spinning, and the dirt is trapped betwen the disc and the plasitc case. Can you say "Disc Read Error?"

- Short battery life. What's the point of a portable system if you can't, say, take it on a long car trip or plane ride? Well, you could, but the PSP user is going to be bored LONG before the DS user even gets a low battery warning.

- The analog disc? Ugh. I've heard people who have played it, saying that with just a little bit too much pressure, like when you're trying really hard to use it, for example, it will just break off. It's not nearly as strong as any analog device should be, and not as easy to use.

So you're planning on trading all of these huge flaws for better graphics and the ability to play mp3s and movies, which the DS will be able to do as soon as Nintendo finishes an adapter they're working on which playes mp3s and movies off of SD cards.

You can call me a Nintendo fanboy all you want, but guess what? I AM. But if anyone cane come up with a list that big of DS flaws, go right ahead.

[Phoenix]

The main ones I hear are the dead pixels and the bad touch screen controls. The PSP is actually more vulnerable than the DS to dead pixels simply because it has more pixels, and it was only Mario 64 DS that has the crap touch screen controls. This is, of course, not counting the idiotic excuses for flaws like "oMg nInTeNdO iz 4 babys!!!!!1"

[Tael]

It's good that Nintendo makes hardware that doesn't break or anything. Good ol' ninty.

[Shade Valkyrie]

The PSP is actually more vulnerable than the DS to dead pixels simply because it has more pixels
I'm not sure that's true, considering the DS has two screens as opposed to one screen with more pixels, but you may be right too, I've read comments that say Nintendo choosed a more reliable LCD manufacturer than Sony.

I'll definitively go for the DS though.
Everyone probably have already mentioned all of my reasons, but if the mpeg4 and mp3 adaptor Nintendo is planning gets enough support (so that Nintendo will take it to the rest of the world) then I would consider DS to have a more useful movie and music player as well.

Sure, you probably get a better screen to see your movies on with the PSP, but there is no way I'm going to invest in movies I rather have on a DVD.
Besides, it should not be to much problem with the right tools to compress a DVD over to a mpeg4 format that you then put on SD card.

[Zeep]

I'm not sure that's true, considering the DS has two screens as opposed to one screen with more pixels, but you may be right too, I've read comments that say Nintendo choosed a more reliable LCD manufacturer than Sony.

I believe the 2 screens together are bigger than the PSP screen, but doesn't the PSP screen have a higher DPI (dots per inch, in other words, more pixels in the same area)?

[pac4life]

no offence man, but if nintendo made the psp, you'd embrace it.

[Shade Valkyrie]

I believe the 2 screens together are bigger than the PSP screen, but doesn't the PSP screen have a higher DPI (dots per inch, in other words, more pixels in the same area)?
Aw, that's why I tried to say (quote: "one screen with more pixels"), okay it's called DPI, now I know that as well, lol. :cool:

Oh, but would not having smaller pixels also mean any dead pixels would be less visible?

So considering everything this could mean that the dead pixel problem would be worse to have on a DS and a greater risk to get with a PSP, no?

[Zeep]

actually, I don't know that DPI is the right term :crazy2: but yeah, it's really a toss-up.

[koten]

no offence man, but if nintendo made the psp, you'd embrace it.

Yeah, cause

1. The stupid square button wouldn't be broken
2. The screen would be more durible and not need a thumprint exposing peace of plastic over it.
3. The disks wouldn't shoot out
4. The battery wouldn't suck ass

Etc.

[sam stoepee]

The DS is basically just a game boy advance with two screens. Sure the touch screen seems cool but the problem is making games that will properly use it and they will be few and far between. What people want is good graphics and frankly DS doesnt even come close to the PSP. The only good game released for the DS so far is Mario 64, which if i really wanted to play i could just break out my 64. PSP at launch will have a new Metal Gear game, need for speed, tiger woods, untold legends, mercury and hot shots golf. PSP wins by a mile.

[OutlawAdidas]

The DS is basically just a game boy advance with two screens. Sure the touch screen seems cool but the problem is making games that will properly use it and they will be few and far between. What people want is good graphics and frankly DS doesnt even come close to the PSP. The only good game released for the DS so far is Mario 64, which if i really wanted to play i could just break out my 64. PSP at launch will have a new Metal Gear game, need for speed, tiger woods, untold legends, mercury and hot shots golf. PSP wins by a mile.


Really, WOW! cuz the PSP is just a PS2 without a 2nd analog and the L2/R2 buttons.

Have you even played Feel the Magic DS? That is another spectacular game for the DS. There are many games coming out that make great usage of the DS feature: Yoshi's touch and go, Wario Ware, Polarium, Meteos, NFSU2, Kirby's touch and go, and much more.

Sure the PSP will have a new metal gear game, but its not real time action like MGS3, its a action card game. Need for Speed Rivals, no different than its console counter part; Untold legends, so far looks shitty, stick with everquest; hot shot golf, its already on the PS2.


so there you go. State both sides before talking

[OutlawAdidas]

I believe the 2 screens together are bigger than the PSP screen, but doesn't the PSP screen have a higher DPI (dots per inch, in other words, more pixels in the same area)?


technically yea. Its the resolution that its at. So it can display finer things, but ofcourse for bigger screens you need a higher resolution so that you won't be lookin at the pixels and crap. The resolution of the DS is godd for the screen size and therefore doesn't need a high res inorder to display finer detail

[pac4life]

Yeah, cause

1. The stupid square button wouldn't be broken
2. The screen would be more durible and not need a thumprint exposing peace of plastic over it.
3. The disks wouldn't shoot out
4. The battery wouldn't suck ass

Etc.

yes, true
but
1) that will probably be fixed for the North american release, if its not then ill be po'd
2) aparently the screen is durable, the thumbprint thing is stupid, but id wipe it off with a cloth
3) that happened to like 4 psps
4) i dont play handhelds for more than an hour at a time.

the ds is gonna be awesome for FPS, and if any real good ones come out, im gonna pick it up for that.

[WolfmanNCSU]

I am not really into handheld systems. In fact, I have never owned one. They just never appealed to me. I don't think I will be owning either one personally.

Anyway, Wired Magazine did a little comparison of the two units. They gave the upper hand overall to the PSP but broke the components down. Check it out here.

Link (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/play.html?pg=1)

[Shade Valkyrie]

I guess most of us realise the PSP is a more powerful hardware than the DS, but I'm going for the DS because of it's games and it's features.

People can whine all they want about the DS launch titles, but there is way more decent games on it's way to the DS than it's for the PSP IMO, and it's usually the software that mathers, not the hardware!

And to be honest I'm growing a bit tirred of the gameplay this generation has had to offer, I look at the DS as a welcome and sweet change in the way we play games today.

[OutlawAdidas]

yes, true
but
1) that will probably be fixed for the North american release, if its not then ill be po'd
2) aparently the screen is durable, the thumbprint thing is stupid, but id wipe it off with a cloth
3) that happened to like 4 psps
4) i dont play handhelds for more than an hour at a time.

the ds is gonna be awesome for FPS, and if any real good ones come out, im gonna pick it up for that.


so your tellin me that out of 4,800 defective PSP units that only 4 were like this, actually you are quite mistaken. Its a natural PSP ability they said. If you twist any PSP slighty or forcefully the disc would come flyin out. They said that they would try to remedy this but bwhaha, its sony

[Viper]

yes, true
but
1) that will probably be fixed for the North american release, if its not then ill be po'd
2) aparently the screen is durable, the thumbprint thing is stupid, but id wipe it off with a cloth
3) that happened to like 4 psps
4) i dont play handhelds for more than an hour at a time.

the ds is gonna be awesome for FPS, and if any real good ones come out, im gonna pick it up for that.


1. Sony said it cannot and will not be changed in a recent interview with Gamespot and said gamers will have to learn to deal with it.

3. Another design flaw. This can happen to all of them. All you have to do is twist. It unlatches the plastic catch in the back and the inertia of the disc rotating causes it to launch out of the tray.

[sam stoepee]

Nintendo should of just worked on the next game boy. They claim that "no one wants online gaming", then they come up with a game boy with two screens. Like thats what people really want now. Nintendo needs to get a clue or they'll lose the one thing they got going for them (handhelds).

[Viper]

"no one wants online gaming", < - Misquoted bad translation of Japanese to English. That would not make sense for Nintendo to ever say because they were the first company to ever, EVER, bring a game console online. They did it in the 80's with the Famicom (NES). Plenty of people had the service but they didn't make any money from it. That has been Nintendo's point the whole time, it isn't profitable unless you charge like mad for it and they don't want to do that.

[OutlawAdidas]

Nintendo should of just worked on the next game boy. They claim that "no one wants online gaming", then they come up with a game boy with two screens. Like thats what people really want now. Nintendo needs to get a clue or they'll lose the one thing they got going for them (handhelds).



i forgot that the DS can go online....meh maybe its just me

[Phoenix]

A Gameboy with 2 screensBasically to you, the DS is no different than a Gameboy except for the fact that it has two screens? No wonder you think it's a waste of Nintendo's time.

-Touch controls
-More power
-X & Y buttons
-Wireless multiplayer
-WiFi
-Tiny cartriges
-Less vulnerable to crappy two-bit license games
-Longer battery life
-Sexier (although that's just an opinion)

[OutlawAdidas]

Basically to you, the DS is no different than a Gameboy except for the fact that it has two screens? No wonder you think it's a waste of Nintendo's time.

-Touch controls
-More power
-X & Y buttons
-Wireless multiplayer
-WiFi
-Tiny cartriges
-Less vulnerable to crappy two-bit license games
-Longer battery life
-Sexier (although that's just an opinion)


Sexier, ofcourse, but its more like a fact than an opinion. ;)

[Eidorian]

Sexier, ofcourse, but its more like a fact than an opinion. ;)Nah the GBA SP is just a little better. Sexy fliptop and single screen.

[OutlawAdidas]

Nah the GBA SP is just a little better. Sexy fliptop and single screen.


that can be debated. Yes the GBA SP is damn sexy too. But I mean, can you imagine a Retro colored DS?

[Eidorian]

that can be debated. Yes the GBA SP is damn sexy too. But I mean, can you imagine a Retro colored DS?I wanted to wait for a Black DS but I really wanted one much sooner so I settled with silver.

[OutlawAdidas]

I wanted to wait for a Black DS but I really wanted one much sooner so I settled with silver.


I actually wanted a Cobalt one, like the SP. I love CObalt. I love purple. But damn casuals hate it

[sam stoepee]

gameboy sp owns the ds

[Eidorian]

I actually wanted a Cobalt one, like the SP. I love CObalt. I love purple. But damn casuals hate itI like purple too. My girlfriend would kill for a purple DS. Black and Silver are pretty much universal colors for the masses.

[OutlawAdidas]

I like purple too. My girlfriend would kill for a purple DS. Black and Silver are pretty much universal colors for the masses.


yea. I like Nintendo's reason for pickin purple, but now they are going to have to start making most of their system Slick black or SLick Silver. I have no problem with it, but damnit, I want my purple back.

I never did understand that, how people were complainin that the cube was only a purple system, yet when it launched it came in 3 colors, black, purple, and orange

[Eidorian]

yea. I like Nintendo's reason for pickin purple, but now they are going to have to start making most of their system Slick black or SLick Silver. I have no problem with it, but damnit, I want my purple back.

I never did understand that, how people were complainin that the cube was only a purple system, yet when it launched it came in 3 colors, black, purple, and orangeWell the mainstream thinks that purple is "teh ghey color". I think it's just ambiguous. It's dark enough to be a "male" color and light enough to be a "female" color. Whatever....

[OutlawAdidas]

Well the mainstream thinks that purple is "teh ghey color". I think it's just ambiguous. It's dark enough to be a "male" color and light enough to be a "female" color. Whatever....


or the right color for royalty!

[sam stoepee]

I imported a red and black one (SP) from Japan a while back. It looks like the old japanese famicom. I almost had to buy another when I saw that new zelda edition. That thing looks so sweet.

[OutlawAdidas]

the gold one was pimp

[bobo_ess]

I wanted the "Who are you?" edition, that was slick.

they should make a "2>1"DS

[Tael]

An Indigo DS would look good.

[heep]

damb i have so much to say about the ds and psp


i go with the ds because of all the fetures and the good games that are coming out
the ds has so easy controls for mario
and the touch screen works so well and nowing how nintendo makes durable sistems i trust the ds

the psps grafict just arnt good enough to out rule all the defects


do any of you guys ever watch tv well there this show on g4techtv its called xplay

well they took the three consoles and tested the durablety

the first round they took a 5 pound weight and droped it on the systems the ps2 broke the xbox got a big dent and the gamcubes lid opened
the ps2 wouldnt start but the xbox and gamecube did (implieing that sony doesnt make very durable systems)


the second round they took a sledge hammer and hit the xbox and gc like a golf ball nothing happend to ether system



the third round the droped th xb and gc about 30 feet to a concreet floor the xboxs front were the power button poped off and it wouldnt start the gamecubes like opened and kinda broke but after slaming the lid shut the system turned on



i that is one of the reasons why i dont trust the psp and i scease the system alot and i play for hours and hours my batt life would always be running dead and the disk would allway fly out

[Shade Valkyrie]

Do you know where I can find the story on G4techTV's web site?
Would be fun to see any pictures or movie clips from that show. :)

[Bloodman]

I don't think G4 knows what Nintendo is.

[heep]

Do you know where I can find the story on G4techTV's web site?
Would be fun to see any pictures or movie clips from that show. :)

go to www.g4techtv.com/xplay i think

[Tael]

Thanks for the link.

[Shade Valkyrie]

Yeah thanx, but it was not much help for me really, I have no idea what the show was called and when it was aired, it was basically impossible to find it. :(