What Do You Think?

[Mach]

I have a few pressing issues that I'd like to talk about.

1. A woman ought to have the right to be a prostitute. It's her body, she can do what she wants to. Sure, some prostitutes may get diseases and what not but it's just as risky as being a woman cop or a woman soldier. If she wants to get a little money for performing her techniques and so on than the government has no right to prohibit her. It's her body! Who said the government has the right to tell her what she can and cannot do with it!

2. People ought to have the right to go into a hospital and ask for the removal of a hand, finger, ear lobe, toe, etc that they see fit. It's their body and if they don't see the need for a particular body part or maybe they don't like the way it looks (maybe it has acne or moles) then they ought to be able to have it amputated by the hospital. The government has no right to decide whether or not they can have it done.

3. If a woman gives birth to a baby but the next day realizes that she's been fired from her job, she should have the right to have that baby put to sleep. She won't have enough money to support the child and she certainly doesn't want it anymore. Wouldn't it be horrible for a baby to live a life with someone like that.

4. Incestual marriage should be legalized. Studies have shown that roughly 65,000 citizens in the United States have reported that they have deep feelings of love for their siblings and that they feel discriminated against. It's about time we stood up for civil rights and stood for a downtrodden, scoffed at group. For too long our media and society has demonized this small group. Unfortunately due to their small size they don't have the voice to stand up for their rights. If a brother and sister love each other with all their heart and want to spend the rest of their lives together down in Mississippi then they ought to be able to get married. The government is discriminating against them.



Okay that's enough issues for now. It's ashame the government bans all of the above. It's time to stand up for our rights!

Discuss.

[Viper]

I'll tell you why most of those should not be legal. The people voted against them.

[Mach]

When did the people vote against these issues?

You're so arrogant and close-minded to make statements like that!

Open your mind and think of others' rights. It's time to take a stand and the ignorance you've shown is mind blowing.

[Viper]

hehe, you're going screw with their heads David, lol.


Considering those that voted are an all inclusive voice of America, I fail to see the narrowmindednes of it. Perhaps if you sister fisters would get the idea that a majority in this nation creates the rules, you'd understand.

[plebben]

As for being prostitute i must say if the people in america voted no for it i suppose it should be illegal.. but i personally think its right for a person to decide if he or she wants to sell their body.
If its your only source for income why not? Just keep it regulated. It does work better in amsterdam than anyother city in the world since the have strict controls on the people selling their bodies.
I think its kinda discusting but some people dont. And if if doesnt hurt anyone... as an adult its your own choise.

Choping of your bodyparts unless its needed for your survival is not a sane thing to do. So hospitals should not waste their time on such things.

A baby that is born is biological person. That would be murder.

Incestual marrige will result in children even if its forbidden. So it should be illegal.

[Mach]

You're so IGNORANT!!
Give me a break. You mean to tell me the majority can decide what is law in this country? So they can opress a minority like this? So that means the minority of Jews in Nazi Germany could be rightfully kept opressed because the majority of Germans in that country were for it?

I bet you're one of those people that wants to ban motorcycles too aren't you?
Hey, have you see any sailors?

[Viper]

I don't think is a major push to ban motorcycles by the majority of Americans. For the record, I'm not one of them either.

The Nazi situation doesn't apply in that it wasn't a majority of Germany that wanted 8 million Jews dead. More like the delusions of a single madman.

[plebben]

who says the majority of germans were for the opression of jews? they were forced to think so by hitler.. 24/7 brainwashing its called.

ban motorcykles... no.. i dont see any problem with motorcykles.

no I've never seen a sailor to be honest.

[Mach]

As for being prostitute i must say if the people in america voted no for it i suppose it should be illegal.. but i personally think its right for a person to decide if he or she wants to sell their body.
If its your only source for income why not? Just keep it regulated. It does work better in amsterdam than anyother city in the world since the have strict controls on the people selling their bodies.
I think its kinda discusting but some people dont. And if if doesnt hurt anyone... as an adult its your own choise.
Thank. You. You agree. But I want to see where prostitution was voted against by the United States' citizens.

Choping of your bodyparts unless its needed for your survival is not a sane thing to do. So hospitals should not waste their time on such things.
Do you define sanity? Do you define what hospitals can or cannot "waste their time with"?
What's the difference between a woman who feels her pinky finger is of no use and wants to pay to have it removed and a woman who feels she needs large fake breasts or a woman who wants a penis? Why can't you be open minded to the needs of a lot of men and women? If a person feels their hand is ugly or fat or what have you they ought to have the right to have it removed. The government shouldn't be able to control that.

A baby that is born is biological person. That would be murder.
I see. So you mean to tell Woman A that just because she couldn't keep baby from escaping that tunnel a little longer she cannot have it put to sleep? Do you have any feelings toward that poor child and how his life will be horrible? Who says the government has the right to arrest that woman just because that baby is in a different place in the building than it was before?

Incestual marrige will result in children even if its forbidden. So it should be illegal.
Im not quite sure what you're saying. It sounds close-minded to me. You are discriminating against a minority who just wants to have the right to love and get married. Just because they don't have a big enough voice right now you want to ignore their rights! An incestual marriage does not necessarily mean they will have children. Even so, just because there's a chance they might have children after being married does that mean they have to be banned from being married? They can have children without being married anyways. So with your logic they must be arrested if they are reported as having intercourse. And when you say that you're saying the government should police what goes on in the bedroom.
That's an outrage. Furthermore you raise the issue of the possibility of having a child. If the child ends up mentally handicap or physically handicap you're essentially saying mentally handicap children are inferior humans. It also seems to say that regular couples that just so happen to have a handicap should not be able to get married because they may have children that have a handicap.
Close-mindedness.


What's next? Banning black Lincolns because they have a tendency to contain murderers?

[Mach]

who says the majority of germans were for the opression of jews? they were forced to think so by hitler.. 24/7 brainwashing its called.

ban motorcykles... no.. i dont see any problem with motorcykles.

no I've never seen a sailor to be honest.
That's incorrect logic.
1. You cannot say factually that the majority of German citizens were racist towards the Jews at the time and wanted them to be kept out of business and in camps.
2. Even if you're assumption was correct that they were "brainwashed" by Hitler, who's to define government induced "brainwashing"? Wouldn't it be true that most governments even today brainwash their citizens to think a certain thing to a certain extent? And with that said wouldn't it also be true that many majority sentiments in the world on many issues are created in part at least by their government?
Does that make it right? No.

[Viper]

If a person feels their hand is ugly or fat or what have you they ought to have the right to have it removed. The government shouldn't be able to control that.
The idea behind not allowing them to do this is a few reasons. 1. It's not medicinal. (neither are breast implants but I'll get to that). 2. Lawsuit and fraud potential is too great. Say they get it chopped off and then two week slater file a lawsuit saying the hospital should have know that she was temporarily insane at the time and is now traumatized for life and the responsibility of the hospital. Basically, it's to cover the doc's ass. 3. Breast enhancement and penal additions are covered as a psychological need, not just a blatant desire to lose a pinky.

Keeping prositition illegal is a state choice, not somethign made in DC and each state aside from one, Nevada, has said no to it. It's also a STD deterrent.

[Mach]

The idea behind not allowing them to do this is a few reasons. 1. It's not medicinal. (neither are breast implants but I'll get to that). 2. Lawsuit and fraud potential is too great. Say they get it chopped off and then two week slater file a lawsuit saying the hospital should have know that she was temporarily insane at the time and is now traumatized for life and the responsibility of the hospital. Basically, it's to cover the doc's ass. 3. Breast enhancement and penal additions are covered as a psychological need, not just a blatant desire to lose a pinky.
Who says the government should define what is a psychological need and what's not? Have you ever heard of the people who are born with the feeling that their arm is not theirs and it belongs to someone else. Have you ever heard of someone who has a shriveled left hand and therefore thinks it needs to be removed? How can the government deny their rights? They are not insane. To say that is to be ignorant. Just because their numbers (in terms of cases) are not high in America doesn't mean their insane. That's saying that if you're group is small enough and out of mainstream thought enough you're simply labeled insane.
That would be close-mindedness.
The liability factor is not a big enough issue to warrant the government's intrusion on a person's body and what he or she can do with it. Besides a woman could say she was insane when she asked for a penis. She could then sue her doctors for giving her a penis at that time.


Keeping prositition illegal is a state choice, not somethign made in DC and each state aside from one, Nevada, has said no to it. It's also a STD deterrent.
There are many issues that the states have voted against (even current ones) that do concretely mean they are right. There are a lot of things states have voted against that are simply wrong. Many states have done things that have severely encroached on peoples' civil rights. Does that make it right? No. The fact is that most people today are too ignorant and close-minded to the rights incestual couples have right now and only after people gradually start to learn their pain and their feelings and start to become more open-minded will incestual couples finally have their justice.
Until then we must fight to let people know the truth and defeat intolerance and bigotry.

[plebben]

Thank. You. You agree. But I want to see where prostitution was voted against by the United States' citizens.


Do you define sanity? Do you define what hospitals can or cannot "waste their time with"?
What's the difference between a woman who feels her pinky finger is of no use and wants to pay to have it removed and a woman who feels she needs large fake breasts or a woman who wants a penis? Why can't you be open minded to the needs of a lot of men and women? If a person feels their hand is ugly or fat or what have you they ought to have the right to have it removed. The government shouldn't be able to control that.
When you put it that way.. i guess its kinda hard to tell... but still... it is not normal to want to harm yourself.


I see. So you mean to tell Woman A that just because she couldn't keep baby from escaping that tunnel a little longer she cannot have it put to sleep? Do you have any feelings toward that poor child and how his life will be horrible? Who says the government has the right to arrest that woman just because that baby is in a different place in the building than it was before?
Its controversial and i know your trying to pull my leg here.. but.. when the baby is detatched from the mother i believe you must count it as an individual only after its born.. thats why i think abortion is right.


Im not quite sure what you're saying. It sounds close-minded to me. You are discriminating against a minority who just wants to have the right to love and get married. Just because they don't have a big enough voice right now you want to ignore their rights! An incestual marriage does not necessarily mean they will have children. Even so, just because there's a chance they might have children after being married does that mean they have to be banned from being married? They can have children without being married anyways. So with your logic they must be arrested if they are reported as having intercourse. And when you say that you're saying the government should police what goes on in the bedroom.
That's an outrage. Furthermore you raise the issue of the possibility of having a child. If the child ends up mentally handicap or physically handicap you're essentially saying mentally handicap children are inferior humans. It also seems to say that regular couples that just so happen to have a handicap should not be able to get married because they may have children that have a handicap.
Close-mindedness.
Noone wants to be handicaped. its something you can never change. To make sure you dont get people into a handicapped body i think it should be regulated.. I do not at all think they are inferior as persons. But their capabilities are inferior to non handicaped people.
If you ask people who are born handicaped because of bad genes i think most of the would say they want incestual marrige illegalized.
Sure marriage doesnt mean sex... but frankly, wouldnt you agree that to 99% of all people it does?

What's next? Banning black Lincolns because they have a tendency to contain murderers?
I do not know what a black lincoln is so i cant answer that question.

[Travis]

I had a whole post typed up but I'm going to just ignore this thread.

I will say that this is ridiculous, though. And very immature.

[Viper]

Have you ever heard of the people who are born with the feeling that their arm is not theirs and it belongs to someone else. Have you ever heard of someone who has a shriveled left hand and therefore thinks it needs to be removed? No, i haven't and that's the point. No one does that. Not without some psychological issues. Big ones.


The fact is that most people today are too ignorant and close-minded to the rights incestual couples have right now and only after people gradually start to learn their pain and their feelings and start to become more open-minded will incestual couples finally have their justice.
Until then we must fight to let people know the truth and defeat intolerance and bigotry.So the pains of a small few that have a history of generating maldeformed children should outweigh that of the masses who will have to fron the medical expenses for hem and give them the tax breaks that are privelleged to those with sound body and mind?

[Mach]

Its controversial and i know your trying to pull my leg here.. but.. when the baby is detatched from the mother i believe you must count it as an individual only after its born.. thats why i think abortion is right.
So you're telling me if his foot crosses the finish line he can longer be killed? Where's your mercy? Furthermore, where's the logic? Doesn't the baby have the ability to emit brainwaves and feel pain on both sides of the border? That's like saying a person can be mercy killed before he crosses the US border but after he passes the border if we try to mercy kill him then it's illegal.
Again, I sense bigotry.

Noone wants to be handicaped. its something you can never change. To make sure you dont get people into a handicapped body i think it should be regulated.. I do not at all think they are inferior as persons. But their capabilities are inferior to non handicaped people.
If you ask people who are born handicaped because of bad genes i think most of the would say they want incestual marrige illegalized.
Sure marriage doesnt mean sex... but frankly, wouldnt you agree that to 99% of all people it does?
Again, with that logic, you'd have to ban marriage of all handicap persons for fear that they may have sex and that it may produce a handicap child. That means two down syndrome people would be prevented from marriage. That sounds like even more discrimination. More encroachment on civil liberties. Try making that statement next time you're in line waiting to buy your groceries at the local supermarket. You might just get punched in the eye by the guy bagging your groceries.

Absolutely an outrage! Intolerance and discrimination abounds.

[HereticPB]

Number one I can understand but the other stuff is so crazy that it is pointless to think about.

Well hell, most Americans from the south is inbred anyhow just look at Bill Clinton.

Mach if your not screwing around these topics has been decided based on morals and spirituality.

[Viper]

22 days after inception, the fetus begins a heartbeat. To stop its heart is to cause death and death, aside from self defense, is a no no. We like to call that murder.

[Mach]

No, i haven't and that's the point. No one does that. Not without some psychological issues. Big ones.


So the pains of a small few that have a history of generating maldeformed children should outweigh that of the masses who will have to fron the medical expenses for hem and give them the tax breaks that are privelleged to those with sound body and mind?


No, i haven't and that's the point. No one does that. Not without some psychological issues. Big ones.
Didn't you just get saying penis implants are justified because they are deemed as psychological needs. Big ones. Same thing here. Just with a smaller base of people.

So the pains of a small few should outweigh that of the masses
Sounds like a complaint you'd hear from a fire-eater trying to argue against the abolition of slavery...

So the pains of a small few that have a history of generating maldeformed children should outweigh that of the masses who will have to fron the medical expenses for hem and give them the tax breaks that are privelleged to those with sound body and mind?
First of all, incestual lovers have children outside of marriage while many others don't have children. So the mere act of letting them get married, will not necessarily increase the amount of children born of incestual intercourse. Getting married does not mean you are going to bare children. They have a right to get married if they love each other no matter how intolerant society is to their preference.
Also it's odd you'd say that the probability that their children may be handicapped is a good enough reason warranting the ban of incestual marriage. With that reasoning, you could say the government can ban single parents from raising children because studies have shown that huge proportions of children raised by single parents have a greater chance of being emotionally unstable or handicap. This doesn't mean all children in that situation but simply that most do suffer from this based on factual studies.
And as we all know, it'd be an insanely evil thing to ban single parent raising of children.

Same can be said for down syndrome couples. To ban their right to get marriage based on the idea that they may have children is an outrage.

[Mach]

Mach if your not screwing around these topics has been decided based on morals and spirituality.

Excuse me but I believe there's a thing called separation of church and state.
Please cut the arrogance.

[plebben]

well... im not aware of the laws for handicaped people in teh US when it comes to reproduction.. honestly i have no clue what the swedish laws says either...
I guess it comes down to morals of what should be accepted.
And also to protect the human genepool.

[Travis]

It's not like it matters. Jesus doesn't care about handicapped people, he told me. And if you don't believe in Jesus you are wrong and you should be shunned from society and put on an island with all the other non-Jesus worshipping Bible bashers.

If you don't support our President in everything that he does you hate Jesus and therefore you aren't American. Simple as that. Case closed.

*would then close thread if I had the power*

[plebben]

but you cant :P

[Viper]

Psychological issues = insane.
Psychological needs = Basic needs from the mind.

You aren't twisting my words boy.


Sounds like a complaint you'd hear from a fire-eater trying to argue against the abolition of slavery... And with that, your argument just flushed. Slavery is an attack on other people, my point had nothing to do with other people but individuals.

[plebben]

with all the other non-Jesus worshipping Bible bashers.

its like 6:30 in the morning here so maybe im confusing myself.. but.. hehe that was kinda impossible.. right?
you cant be a non-jesus worshipping bible basher.. can you? i mean you can worship someone that you dont believe in :)

[Travis]

its like 6:30 in the morning here so maybe im confusing myself.. but.. hehe that was kinda impossible.. right?
you cant be a non-jesus worshipping bible basher.. can you? i mean you can worship someone that you dont believe in :)

Of course you can, if you don't worship Jesus you obviously hate him and everything the Bible stands for.

[Mach]

Psychological issues = insane.
Psychological needs = Basic needs from the mind.

You aren't twisting my words boy.


And with that, your argument just flushed. Slavery is an attack on other people, my point had nothing to do with other people but individuals.


Psychological issues = insane.
Psychological needs = Basic needs from the mind.
Wait a second. So you're the authority that can pick and choose who is psychologically insane based on surgical wants? One could argue that a woman asking for a penis is just as insane as a woman asking for her scalded hand to be removed. Sounds like generalization to me. It's best to look at the individual cases rather than simply generalize or assume a person's mental state just because they request to have something removed or added.

And with that, your argument just flushed. Slavery is an attack on other people, my point had nothing to do with other people but individuals.
Actually it just means you missed my point with that statement totally. That statement was basically reminding you that the majority's current sentiment on an issue does not define if it is right or wrong or whether it should be legal or illegal.
The fact of the matter is you're core argument that incestual lovers should not be allowed to get married based on the chance that they might have handicap children was obliterated by the reminder that if we followed that twisted logic we'd have to ban down syndrome couples from marrying because they could produce handicap children.

[Mach]

It's not like it matters. Jesus doesn't care about handicapped people, he told me. And if you don't believe in Jesus you are wrong and you should be shunned from society and put on an island with all the other non-Jesus worshipping Bible bashers.

If you don't support our President in everything that he does you hate Jesus and therefore you aren't American. Simple as that. Case closed.

*would then close thread if I had the power*
Sounds like a deranged Imperial Wizard of the KKK with a peculiar interest in receiving mod powers in the forum.

Or maybe just someone who has totally missed the entire crux of the debate that's gone on in this thread and thus has nothing to contribute to the argument.

[Cofey]

Mach I swear when I first read through that I thought you were being sarcastic. It scared me a bit when I realized you weren't.

[Travis]

He is being sarcastic, champ.

[Mach]

Mach I swear when I first read through that I thought you were being sarcastic. It scared me a bit when I realized you weren't.
:susp:

Just wait for my final conclusive post at the end of this thread.

[Cofey]

^I'm looking forward to it

[Travis]

Why don't you make it now before I go to sleep, because I have a headache.

[HereticPB]

Damn Mach is on something

[Cofey]

Why don't you make it now before I go to sleep, because I have a headache.
For some reason I have a feeling it's going to have something to do with liberals...Mach is a conservative isn't he? I don't think he's really for prostitution and abortion.

[Travis]

It's pretty obvious what he's going to do.

[Cofey]

^Yeah, heh, I'm a little slow on the uptake :tardbang:

[Mach]

Please let's not dish out labels here. Let's look at things with an open mind. I am neither for total liberation or total conservation. I am a free thinker. I am also a civil rights champion.

I advise everyone to very carefully study the debate between Viper and I in this thread. Analyze the issues, the points, the logic. Think for yourself. Compare it with how you view government and what it can and cannot do. And come to your own conclusion.

Maybe we'll all learn a little something.

[Travis]

For some reason I have a feeling it's going to have something to do with liberals...Mach is a conservative isn't he? I don't think he's really for prostitution and abortion.

Uhh...yeah, Mach has basically been fighting for everything he hates in this thread.

Now he's going to try to parallel all these extreme situations to situations like gay marriage and abortion.

[Viper]

Take the issues as you like. There is much to be taken from these posts....if you look for it.


David, that wasn't easy to keep that balance going. I hope they take as much from it as we put in if not more.

[Mach]

Yeah, this has been one of the most enjoyable and exciting debates I've ever read or participated in on this forum.

[alpha]

I say, all of them should be allowed. Nothing bad is coming from them.

[Loomer]

What about committing suicide? It is illegal because it is murder (even if the victim is yourself). You can say "it is your own body, let it be" for this case also.

[Omega]

who says the majority of germans were for the opression of jews? they were forced to think so by hitler.. 24/7 brainwashing its called.

who says the majority of americans were for homosexual special rights? 24/7 brainwashing its called. (media/MTV/Teletubbies)

[alpha]

Everyone can do whatever they want, as long as they aren't hurting others.


My law.

[Omega]

Slavery is an attack on other people
Its not an attack is a social system - in some places a perfectly normal and acceptable way of life. Its a good bet that the majority of slaves are not abused, whipped or beaten but are sustained in a healthy lifestyle by having food, shelter, clothing and other necessities provided. Its not much different than a job really.

[Dwhitten]

Its not an attack is a social system - in some places a perfectly normal and acceptable way of life. Its a good bet that the majority of slaves are not abused, whipped or beaten but are sustained in a healthy lifestyle by having food, shelter, clothing and other necessities provided. Its not much different than a job really. That's actually a good point because it was in rare situations where slaves were treated poorly or hurt.

History shows the majority of slaves actually lived better than some peasants trying to look for a job and food.

[plebben]

who says the majority of americans were for homosexual special rights? 24/7 brainwashing its called. (media/MTV/Teletubbies)
Yes and no. TV brainwashes you with a stereotypical image of gay people that many people dont apreciate and that most gay people do not agree with.
But in a sense youre right.
One difference though. This as about making people like people of a sexualpreference who is not out there to hurt anyone. Also its your own free will to watch TV and the gayshows they air. The people of germany didnt have much of a choise when Hitler brainwashed them to hate Jews. IF you hleped jews you were a bad humanbeing/german period.
The leader of america him self dont like the gaylifestyle is my best bet. Thankfully he doesnt say that right out because he knows its not his job to do so.
Hitler was a despot who forced his people to think the way he did. And even though i dont like GWB, im glad he is a democrat(as in he believes in a democratic system, but i know he's republican) who hails freedom of speech and thought.

Its not an attack is a social system - in some places a perfectly normal and acceptable way of life. Its a good bet that the majority of slaves are not abused, whipped or beaten but are sustained in a healthy lifestyle by having food, shelter, clothing and other necessities provided. Its not much different than a job really.
Slavery is not accepted by slaves. A slave has no right to du what he want with his life. His life is owned by someone with money. So as long as a slave is not satisfied with his situation, and its against human nature to want to be owned by someone, i think slaves would not agree with you when you call it normal. And dont you think its up to the slaves to decide that in the end?

It is not right out of any viewpoint except the old testament. Maybe some native african religion too, i wouldnt know but it wouldnt surprise me.

[Travis]

Is there such a thing as human nature? Hmm...

*sits back in robe and puffs on pipe*

[Crow]

1. A woman ought to have the right to be a prostitute.
Yes she should as long as she doesn't spread any sexual diseases, when she starts becoming a sewer she is going too far...

2. People ought to have the right to go into a hospital and ask for the removal of a hand, finger, ear lobe, toe, etc that they see fit.
Not into a regular hospital, over here our hospitals are to help people not to de-limb them, if they want to go into some private place like where they get plastic surgury done then sure but i dont thinks it right for some ill patient to have to wait for surgury becuase someone wants their ear cut off.

3. If a woman gives birth to a baby but the next day realizes that she's been fired from her job, she should have the right to have that baby put to sleep.
No, the woman has the option to put them up for adoption, abandoning them is better than this, the child has done no wrong, why should it be punished and denied life?

4. Incestual marriage should be legalized.
Why not, if they want it, its up to them, why should the government stop them

answered above...

[The Dude]

Every one of those except #1 should be illegal. Not that I would use a prostitute or anything. The 3rd one is murder, the monther should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

[Viper]

Its not an attack is a social system - in some places a perfectly normal and acceptable way of life. Its a good bet that the majority of slaves are not abused, whipped or beaten but are sustained in a healthy lifestyle by having food, shelter, clothing and other necessities provided. Its not much different than a job really.
Let me put it another way. A slave has no choice. They are sold and traded like CD's. A slave exists to serve another without their consent. If it were consensual, then it's employment.

[HereticPB]

who says the majority of americans were for homosexual special rights? 24/7 brainwashing its called. (media/MTV/Teletubbies)

Now add Spongbob to that list as some church group says he promotes Gay actions to children.

[Mach]

Alright get off of slavery, it's totally off topic now.

And as for SpongeBob, Heretic, you've been misled by the propaganda media that distorts things. There was no "Church" that said that. Dr. Dobson of Focus on the Family said that a video package that had Spongebob among other characters in it singing a song about being family was delivered to schools all over the place. With it came a package that encouraged teachers different lessons to go over along with the video. Some of the lessons were teaching children about homosexuals.

You should know better than to rely on the biased media for accurate reports.



Back on topic to these 4 hot issues.

[plebben]

Actually this marriagethingie people always talk about is all about christianity.
However there should always be alternatives for gay couples to recieve the same legal and economical benefits straight couples do when they get married.
But christian marriage is up to the church it self to decide who they want to marry.

[Kliq]

3. If a woman gives birth to a baby but the next day realizes that she's been fired from her job, she should have the right to have that baby put to sleep. She won't have enough money to support the child and she certainly doesn't want it anymore. Wouldn't it be horrible for a baby to live a life with someone like that.

Are you serious? Like someone already pointed out, that's murder.

And why not just put the kid up for adoption instead of killing it? The kid did nothing wrong, whatsoever.

You may say the kid will be better off, but that's if you assume there's an afterlife and the kid will go to heaven.

[Pro A.]

Well, Mach, you can blame that Puritanical side of our brain when you think of these things. Its amazing how often that gets in the way. Thats why we're so anal about sex. Funny that we seem to turn our heads the other way when its violence. The Europeans, especially in Western Europe, have the opposite problem.

[Mach]

Kliq and Pro A, I think you guys need to re-read this whole thread over again and look closely well at least the dialogue between Viper and I.

Everyone might learn some things. And I'll be making a final conclusive statement soon in this thread.

[bobo_ess]

If the prostitute had a kid and had it out (near) the work enviroment, that would be depressing.

[aerofan113]

hehe, you're going screw with their heads David, lol.


Considering those that voted are an all inclusive voice of America, I fail to see the narrowmindednes of it. Perhaps if you sister fisters would get the idea that a majority in this nation creates the rules, you'd understand.


LOL. You know it Viper. Machs think "ok wheres aerofan, im gonna get him ALL pissed of" Well in the words of a wise man, I dont want to get involved in a "sloberknocker" So if i see an idiotic comment ill say something. Otherwise my hats outta the ring.

[aerofan113]

Well hell, most Americans from the south is inbred anyhow just look at Bill Clinton.



Ya, and Bush is just pure as gold isnt he :)

[Mach]

LOL. You know it Viper. Machs think "ok wheres aerofan, im gonna get him ALL pissed of" Well in the words of a wise man, I dont want to get involved in a "sloberknocker" So if i see an idiotic comment ill say something. Otherwise my hats outta the ring.
I don't care where you put your hat. This thread contains a very in-depth philosophical debate that frankly if people who deem themselves truly open minded would read and think about it. That's the purpose of this thread.

Whether you choose to get angry because of these civil rights is your choice. The point is to make you think.

[aerofan113]

You mean this as a serious discussion then? ok.

[Bryan]

Mach, for a second I thought you had picked up a heavy crack habit.

Although you do exaggerate a bit in your sarcastic rantings. Putting a newborn to sleep? Come on, they're already born. I haven't met or heard of one person who supports the murder of a BORN child.

Someone please tell me why none of you guys realize that there's a difference between being pro-abortion and being pro-choice. This is something that bothers me greatly, and I would appreciate some clarification.

Prostitution: Meh, whatever. Make it legal, we could definitely use the law enforcement elsewhere, and if it were legal... the people that do it would be paying taxes on it, and could also get checked for STDs, being that it's a work hazard. Obviously, if more people were treated for STDs, there would be less people affected by them, which could be good for healthcare costs... But I'm an extremist, as opposed to a realist, right? Yes, I'm the very thing that you attempt to mock (not a pun on your name, btw) because I'm a "savage liberal". Haha, doesn't that sound like something he'd say? I feel a user title coming on.

Incestual Marriage: It isn't my way, but damn does that father and daughter couple look alike.. I mean good. I can't wait to see thier children! They'd be like Carlos.

Removal of body parts: Sure, let's check if they are mentally disabled beforehand, but if one really hates that pinky, why not get it surgically removed as opposed to them chopping it off with a meat cleaver? Let's lower healthcare costs, by not doing things that indirectly cause blood-borne diseases or gangrene. That has a tendency to make people unhappy, Mach. They get upset when they can't have their fingers removed.

Liberal Biased Media: LMAO.

[Sendok]

This is most deffinately a moral issue.
1) selling ones body....i do it for my job just not in that way.
2) the oath that the doc's take might get in the way although again moral issue
3) and the difference between murder? but hey moral issue.
4) here again moral issue, i have no issue really its not my cup of tea, but hey welecome to america.

[Travis]

This thread baffles me.

I love how Mach takes some CRAZY, RIDICULOUSLY extreme situations and tries to parallel them to liberal ideology. It's awesome. :rolleyes:

I basically agree with Bryan, though, on these issues.

[aerofan113]

I will also agree with Bryan and may i add cheese is good (dont ask).

[Travis]

When do we get to see Mach's enlightening final post of genius?

[Dark_Cloud]

I think all of those things should be legalized except for the born baby murder thing. And in the case of incest, they should be able to do whatever they want, so long as they agree to get steralized. They aren't hurting anyone just because they are banging family members, but they sure would be hurting their kid if he came out all Carlos-like or something.

Oh yeah, and anyone who thought Mach was serious in his first post is more carlos-like than carlos. Seriously, you shouldn't even post in here if you dont realize when someone is over exadurating to prove a point.

[plebben]

hmm.. yeah dissabeling familymembers from having offspring might also be an option.
In that case i wouldnt mind family members getting married with eachother.
As long as the love is mutual i dont really see anything wrong with it.
Just make sure they cant have offspring that will inevitably have certain functional or mental weakneses.

[Bryan]

Hey, like I said.. it isn't my way, or most people's way. But if they really want to "keep it in the family" there isn't anything I can do about it.

That may be because I have uhh *checks notes*

"No morals" or it may be because I'm a "non-Christian liberal evil person", or "something". I dunno, there's a new excuse every week, isn't there?

[Lord Worm]

When do we get to see Mach's enlightening final post of genius?

That would be when the thread gets locked.

I'm not against any of those examples, although the baby-killing one should probably not be legal because people get all touchy when you kill things that have been born. You need some sort of line, I guess, so I'll draw it at birth.

As for prostitution, fine by me.

And what about surgically removing body parts? In the bible it says, "If your hand offends you, cut it off. If your tongue offends you, tear it out". If its in the bible, then it's gotta be a good idea.

If someone really wants to bone their sister, it's none of my business. If someone wants to tell me the details of that particular romance, he's getting kicked straight in the nuts.

As a Liberal, I believe in putting up with things. I believe that you have the right to do anything that doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Prostitution involves consenting adults. I fail to see the problem here. Would I ever bone a prostitue? No. I think it's a sad and disgusting practice.

By the way, I hope nobody really tears out their tongue. You're all going to need that when its your turn to suck my cock.

[Bryan]

I'll make a note of it, LW.

[plebben]

That would be when the thread gets locked.
*Touche*

[Travis]

That would be when the thread gets locked.

sig'd!

EDIT: Nevermind it looks all messy and stuff. Plus the one I have in there is still good.

C'mon Mach, I want to see what your purpose in this thread was straight from you.

[Bryan]

I asked him about it yesterday, and he said "When I have time".

The bitch.

[Travis]

I think it's about time for that final post, eh?

[aerofan113]

Whenever Mach calls me childish, i will just remind of this thread :)

[Bryan]

You are anti-Christian and childish. There's no doubt about it.

[Mach]

Whenever Mach calls me childish, i will just remind of this thread :)
If you can't comprehend the meaning behind several in-depth philosophical debates between two grown people, Viper and I, laid out here in this thread then you must be childish.

[Bloodman]

I have a few pressing issues that I'd like to talk about.

1. A woman ought to have the right to be a prostitute. It's her body, she can do what she wants to. Sure, some prostitutes may get diseases and what not but it's just as risky as being a woman cop or a woman soldier. If she wants to get a little money for performing her techniques and so on than the government has no right to prohibit her. It's her body! Who said the government has the right to tell her what she can and cannot do with it!

2. People ought to have the right to go into a hospital and ask for the removal of a hand, finger, ear lobe, toe, etc that they see fit. It's their body and if they don't see the need for a particular body part or maybe they don't like the way it looks (maybe it has acne or moles) then they ought to be able to have it amputated by the hospital. The government has no right to decide whether or not they can have it done.

3. If a woman gives birth to a baby but the next day realizes that she's been fired from her job, she should have the right to have that baby put to sleep. She won't have enough money to support the child and she certainly doesn't want it anymore. Wouldn't it be horrible for a baby to live a life with someone like that.

4. Incestual marriage should be legalized. Studies have shown that roughly 65,000 citizens in the United States have reported that they have deep feelings of love for their siblings and that they feel discriminated against. It's about time we stood up for civil rights and stood for a downtrodden, scoffed at group. For too long our media and society has demonized this small group. Unfortunately due to their small size they don't have the voice to stand up for their rights. If a brother and sister love each other with all their heart and want to spend the rest of their lives together down in Mississippi then they ought to be able to get married. The government is discriminating against them.



Okay that's enough issues for now. It's ashame the government bans all of the above. It's time to stand up for our rights!

Discuss.

1) no
2)yes
3)WTF!? NO!!
4)yes

[plebben]

Question Mach:
Is it only women that are in question about prostitution? Or would men be accounted for aswell? Ie. is it only immoral for women to be prostitues?

[Bryan]

Most prostitutes are female, but males are an issue as well.

[Mach]

1) no
2)yes
3)WTF!? NO!!
4)yes
Make sure you read the entire thread thoroughly. Or at least Viper and my posts.

[Bryan]

Mach doesn't want to play with us. Dammit, DAMMIT, DAMMIT!

:(

[Travis]

I don't think he realizes that we have all read the thread and it's time for his conclusive statement.

[plebben]

I think he has decided that everyone is closeminded and therefor he refuses to give an answer because of our ignorance.

[Travis]

Hmm...possibly. Makes sense to me.

[Lord Worm]

I think this thread should be aborted.

[Travis]

Heh, he probably won't ever finish this thread.

Oh well. Not like his final post will make any sense anyways.

[plebben]

I dunno he's an inteligent person eventhough i totally dissagree with him on most issues.

[Bryan]

Yeah, that's about where I'm at.

[Omega]

Heh, he probably won't ever finish this thread.

Oh well. Not like his final post will make any sense anyways.
Thats enough, Travis, stop trying to bait him.