NFL's top five position-by-position

[Magus Relmyn]

QB -

1) Tim Couch (FA)
2) Jeff Garcia (CLE)
3) Donovan McNabb (PHI)
4) Tom Brady (NE)
5) Brett Favre (GB)

HB -

1) William Green (CLE)
2) Lee Suggs (CLE)
3) Adimchinobe Echemandu (CLE)
4) Ahman Green (GB)
5) Shaun Alexander (SEA)

FB -

1) Terrelle Smith (CLE)
2) Tony Richardson (KC)
3) Jim Kleinsasser (MIN)
4) Mack Strong (SEA)
5) Lorenzo Neal (SD)

WR -

1) Dennis Northcutt (CLE)
2) Randy Moss (MIN)
3) Marvin Harrison (IND)
4) Torry Holt (StL)
5) Hines Ward (PIT)

TE -

1) Steve Heiden (CLE)
2) Todd Heap (BAL)
3) Alge Crumpler (ATL)
4) Antonio Gates (SD)
5) Jeremy Shockey (NYG)

OT -

1) Ryan Tucker (CLE)
2) Willie Roaf (KC)
3) Orlando Pace (StL)
4) Walter Jones (SEA)
5) Flozell Adams (DAL)

OG -

1) Enoch Demar (CLE)
2) Paul "Drink and Drive" Zukauskas(PIT)
3) Will Shields (KC)
4) Brian Waters (KC)
5) Edwin Mulitalo (BAL)

C -

1) Jeff Faine (CLE)
2) Kevin Mawae (NYJ)
3) Matt Birk (MIN)
4) Jeremy Newberry (SF)
5) Tom Nalen (DEN)

DE -

1) Courtney Brown (CLE)
2) Michael Strahan (NYG)
3) Jevon Kearse (PHI)
4) Leonard Little (StL)
5) John Abraham (NYJ)

DT -

1) Gerard Warren (CLE)
2) Kris Jenkins (CAR)
3) Marcus Stroud (JAX)
4) Bryany Young (SF)
5) Brentson Buckner (CAR)

OLB -

1) Warrick Holdman (CLE)
2) Keith Bulluck (TEN)
3) Keith Brooking (ATL)
4) Terrell Suggs (BAL)
5) Takeo Spikes (BUF)

MLB -

1) Andra Davis (CLE)
2) LaVar Arrington (WSH)
3) Derrick Brooks (TB)
4) Zach Thomas (MIA)
5) Brian Urlacher (CHI)

CB -

1) Anthony "Play 15 Feet Off the Reciever" Henry (CLE)
2) Ronde' Barber (TB)
3) Ty Law (NE)
4) Chris McAllister (BAL)
5) Patrick Surtain (MIA)

S -

1) Robert Griffith (CLE)
2) Brian Dawkins (PHI)
3) Tony Parrish (SF)
4) Rodney Harrison (NE)
5) Darren Sharper (GB)

K -

1) Phil Dawson (CLE)
2) Adam Vinateri (NE)
3) Mike Vanderjagt (IND)
4) Jeff Wilkins (StL)
5) Matt Stover (BAL)

P -

1) Derrick Frost (CLE)
2) Shane Lechler (OAK)
3) Chris Hanson (JAX)
4) Brad Maynard (CHI)
5) Brian Moorman (BUF)

KR -

1) Richard Alston (CLE)
2) Allen Rossum (ATL)
3) Lito Sheppard (PHI)
4) Tim Dwight (SD)
5) R.W. McQuarters (CHI)

This is not based on this season, this is just based on previous seasons and this season as well. Yes I'm biased (though some of these you should agree with), so now that that question is out of the way, what do you think of the list?

I apologize for not having any Browns on the list initially, I completely forgot about all of their talent, they should win the Super Bowl this year.

[bravest]

braves t45: you are so ****ing biased
braves t45: oh, and chris bosh looks like he's retarded
braves t45:
OT -

1) Jonathan Ogden (BAL)
2) Willie Roaf (KC)
3) Orlando Pace (StL)
4) Walter Jones (SEA)
5) Flozell Adams (DAL)
braves t45: jones at 4?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!>.....
ma Gus rel myn: yes
ma Gus rel myn: Jones at 4
ma Gus rel myn: Pace > Jones
ma Gus rel myn: Roaf > Jones
braves t45: he's easily the best in the game
braves t45: no way
ma Gus rel myn: what the **** are you talking about
ma Gus rel myn: Ogden is the best lineman in the NFL
ma Gus rel myn: no wait sorry
braves t45: mack strong isnt even on the ****ing list!
ma Gus rel myn: the best lineman in the NFL is Kynan Forney :-P
braves t45: :-X
ma Gus rel myn: yeah, because those 5 are better :-)
braves t45: no way
ma Gus rel myn: yes way .
braves t45: im not as biased as you at all
ma Gus rel myn: but
ma Gus rel myn: since I'm a nice guy and Richie and Mike are technically HBs
ma Gus rel myn: I'll add in Strong
ma Gus rel myn: and Kleinsasser
braves t45: kerney at 3, based on this and the last few seasons, is crazy
ma Gus rel myn: if you read my post
braves t45: morris sucks at KR, so you know
ma Gus rel myn: no he doesn't
braves t45: dude, i watch every ****ing seahawks game
braves t45: he sucks

:)

[Magus Relmyn]

So you know, I forgot about both Kleinsasser and Strong, and no Bosh is not retarded. Better than Danny ****ing Fortson.

[xnylived]

too much work, here's my top 3 each

QB - P. Manning / T. Brady / B. Favre
HB - L. Tomlinson / P. Holmes / C. Portis
FB - T. Richardson / L. Neal / J. Kleinessaser
WR - R. Moss / T. Owens / A. Johnson
TE - T. Gonzalez / T. Heap / A. Gates
OT - J. Ogden / W. Jones / O. Pace
OG - A. Faneca / W. Shields / L. Allen
C - K. Mawae / M. Birk / O. Kruetz
DE - J. Taylor / J. Kearse / J. Abraham
DT - M. Stroud / K. Jenkins / C. Hovan
OLB - L. Arrington / D. Brooks / T. Spikes
MLB - R. Lewis / J. Sharper / B. Urlacher
CB - C. Bailey / C. McAllister / P. Surtain
FS - B. Dawkins / R. Williams / R. Harrison
SS - E. Reed / A. Archuleta / T. Parrish

[Magus Relmyn]

shit Kearse... forgot about him

[bravest]

QB -

1) Peyton Manning (IND)
2) Daunte Culpepper (MIN)
3) Donovan McNabb (PHI)
4) Michael Vick (ATL)
5) Tom Brady (NE)

HB -

1) Priest Holmes (KC)
2) LaDainian Tomlinson (SD)
3) Clinton Portis (WSH)
4) Shaun Alexander (SEA)
5) Ahman Green (GB)

FB -

1) Fred Beasley (SF)
2) Tony Richardson (KC)
3) Jim Kleinsasser (MIN)
4) Mack Strong (SEA)
5) Justin Griffith (ATL) - I don't even know who he is.

WR -

1) Terrell Owens (PHI)
2) Randy Moss (MIN)
3) Marvin Harrison (IND)
4) Torry Holt (StL)
5) Hines Ward (PIT)

TE -

1) Tony Gonzalez (KC)
2) Todd Heap (BAL)
If this isn't based on '04, Gates
and Crumpler shouldn't be here.
5) Jeremy Shockey (NYG)

OT -

1) Jonathan Ogden (BAL)
2) Willie Roaf (KC)
3) Orlando Pace (StL)
4) Walter Jones (SEA) - Easily second best, at least.
5) Flozell Adams (DAL)

OG -

1) Larry Allen (DAL)
2) Alan Faneca (PIT)
3) Will Shields (KC)
4) Brian Waters (KC)
5) Edwin Mulitalo (BAL)

C -

1) Olin Kreutz (CHI)
2) Kevin Mawae (NYJ)
3) Matt Birk (MIN)
4) Jeremy Newberry (SF)
5) Tom Nalen (DEN) - He's better than Newberry.

DE -

1) Simeon Rice (TB)
2) Michael Strahan (NYG)
3) Patrick Kerney (ATL) - Does not need to be there at all.
4) John Abraham (NYJ)
5) Leonard Little (StL)

DT -

1) La'Roi Glover (DAL)
2) Kris Jenkins (CAR)
3) Marcus Stroud (JAX)
4) Bryany Young (SF)
5) Brentson Buckner (CAR)

LB -

1) Ray Lewis (BAL)
2) LaVar Arrington (WSH)
3) Derrick Brooks (TB)
4) Zach Thomas (MIA)
5) Keith Brooking (ATL) - Does not need to be there at all.

xnylived: he's so hard up on his falcons
xnylived: i'm surprised rod colemand and brian finneran didnt make his list :-P

All I'm saying is that if you want to take up an issue like naming the 5 best players, position-by-position, you have to be sure that you're remotely correct.

[hehateme71]

rofl michael vick ahead of favre!!!! unbelievable!

that is messed up...

[PacMan]

Michael Vick in front of most QB starters is messed up...

[Magus Relmyn]

Actually, if you guys noticed, Favre is there instead of Vick.

[hehateme71]

if you noticed, look at the other one bravest did....

[Scott Proctor]

Eric Johnson was leading the NFC in receptions a week ago im not sure if he still is but that definitely deserves top 5 if not top 2 recognition.

[Magus Relmyn]

Eric Johnson was leading the NFC in receptions a week ago im not sure if he still is but that definitely deserves top 5 if not top 2 recognition.

Yeah, but is he going to keep it up in the future? And to the Packers fan, I put Favre on there, jeez.

[Cardinal Optimist]

You guys should all be shot, wheres Bert Berry?

[Magus Relmyn]

You guys should all be shot, wheres Bert Berry?

Too bad it's not a top 10, otherwise he'd be in it. ;)

[Cardinal Optimist]

(among DL)

Berry Sacks 9 (2nd)
Tackles 28.0 (10th)
FF 3 (3rd)
Recoverys 2 (2nd)

2nd in the league in the most important stat for a DLineman...

[Magus Relmyn]

(among DL)

Berry Sacks 9 (2nd)
Tackles 28.0 (10th)
FF 3 (3rd)
Recoverys 2 (2nd)

2nd in the league in the most important stat for a DLineman...

He's playing great this season, but I don't think he's worthy of being on that list instead of Simeon Rice, Jevon Kearse, or John Abraham.

[Cardinal Optimist]

*shanks sportscenter for not showing any cardinals highlights*

[Magus Relmyn]

*shanks sportscenter for not showing any cardinals highlights*

Besides, it's disgraceful to put an Arizona Cardinal, franchise holder of the most holdouts in any professional sports league, on the list. ;):P

[Cardinal Optimist]

Besides, it's disgraceful to put an Arizona Cardinal, franchise holder of the most holdouts in any professional sports league, on the list. ;):P
What in the world are you talking about? *blush*

[Magus Relmyn]

What in the world are you talking about? *blush*

Well, aside from the fact that the Cardinals have won one playoff game since 1947, they have had the most player holdouts in any professional sports league. ;)

[Cardinal Optimist]

Well, aside from the fact that the Cardinals have won one playoff game since 1947, they have had the most player holdouts in any professional sports league. ;)
5 Time Champions! 1925 1947 1948 1974 1975

[Magus Relmyn]

5 Time Champions! 1925 1947 1948 1974 1975

Not as the Arizona Cardinals, you fool. :P

[twins15]

Geez, this is going to require a lot of thinking. I'll have my list tomorrow.

[Jeff]

QB -
1) Peyton Manning (IND)
2) Daunte Culpepper (MIN)
3) Donovan McNabb (PHI)
4) Brett Favre (GB)
5) Tom Brady (NE)

HB -
1) Priest Holmes (KC)
2) LaDainian Tomlinson (SD)
3) Shaun Alexander (SEA)
4) Ahman Green (GB)
5) Jamal Lewis (BAL)

FB -
1) Mack Strong (SEA)
2) Lorenzo Neal (SD)
3) Fred Beasley (SF)
4) Tony Richardson (KC)
5) Cory Schlesinger (DET)

WR -
1) Terrell Owens (PHI)
2) Randy Moss (MIN)
3) Marvin Harrison (IND)
4) Hines Ward (PIT)
5) Torry Holt (STL)

TE -
1) Tony Gonzalez (KC)
2) Todd Heap (BAL)
3) Jeremy Shockey (NYG)
4) Antonio Gates (SD)
5) Alge Crumpler (ATL)

OT -
1) Walter Jones (SEA)
2) Jonathan Ogden (BAL)
3) Orlando Pace (STL)
4) Bryant McKinnie (MIN)
5) Robert Gallery (OAK)

OG -
1) Steve Hutchinson (SEA)
2) Alan Faneca (PIT)
3) Will Shields (KC)
4) Leonard Davis (ARZ)
5) Joe Andruzzi (NE)

C -
1) Olin Kreutz (CHI)
2) Kevin Mawae (NYJ)
3) Matt Birk (MIN)
4) Jeremy Newberry (SF)
5) Pete Kendall (NYJ)

DE -
1) Simeon Rice (TB)
2) Michael Strahan (NYG)
3) Jevon Kearse (PHI)
4) Jason Taylor (MIA)
5) Julius Peppers (CAR)

DT -
1) Kris Jenkins (CAR)
2) Bryant Young (SF)
3) Marcus Stroud (JAX)
4) Warren Sapp (OAK)
5) Chris Hovan (MIN)

OLB -
1) Derrick Brooks (TB)
2) Julian Peterson (SF)
3) Joey Porter (PIT)
4) Peter Boulware (BAL)
5) Anthony Simmons (SEA)

ILB -
1) Ray Lewis (BAL)
2) Brian Urlacher (CHI)
3) Keith Brooking (ATL)
4) Zach Thomas (MIA)
5) Kendrell Bell (PIT)

CB -
1) Champ Bailey (DEN)
2) Chris McAllister (BAL)
3) Ty Law (NE)
4) Patrick Surtain (MIA)
5) Charles Tillman (CHI)

S -
1) Ed Reed (BAL)
2) Brian Dawkins (PHI)
3) Tony Parrish (SF)
4) Darren Sharper (GB)
5) Mike Brown (CHI)

K -
1) Mike Vanderjagt (IND)
2) Adam Vinateri (NE)
3) John Kasay (CAR)
4) Sebastian Janikowski (OAK)
5) Matt Stover (BAL)

P -
1) Todd Sauerbrun (CAR)
2) Chris Hanson (JAX)
3) Jeff Feagles (NYG)
4) Scott Player (ARZ)
5) Brad Maynard (CHI)

[twins15]

QB
1. Daunte Culpepper
2. Peyton Manning
3. Donocan McNabb
4. Michael Vick
5. Tom Brady

RB
1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Priest Holmes
3. Ahman Green
4. Deuce McAllister
5. Clinton Portis

FB
1. Tony Richardson
2. Fred Beasley
3. Jim Kleinsasser
4. Lorenzo Neal
5. Jerron Haynes

WR
1. Randy Moss
2. Marvin Harrison
3. Terrell Owens
4. Torry Holt
5. Hines Ward

TE
1. Tony Gonzalez
2. Antonio Gates
3. Todd Heap
4. Alge Crumpler
5. Jeremy Shockey

OT
1. Jonathan Ogden
2. Orlando Pace
3. Willie Roaf
4. Walter Jones
5. Bryant McKinnie

OG
1. Alan Faneca
2. Larry Allen
3. Brian Waters
4. Will Shields
5. Steve Hutchinson

C
1. Matt Birk
2. Olin Kreutz
3. Kevin Mawae
4. Tom Nalen
5. Jermaine Newberry

DE
1. John Abraham
2. Jevon Kearse
3. Michael Strahan
4. Simeon Rice
5. Jason Taylor

DT
1. Marcus Stroud
2. Kris Jenkins
3. La'Roi Glover
4. Kevin Williams
5. Brenston Buckner

OLB
1. Derrick Brooks
2. Julian Peterson
3. Takeo Spikes
4. Terrell Suggs
5. Peter Boulware

MLB
1. Ray Lewis
2. Brain Urlacher
3. Zach Thomas
4. Jamie Sharper
5. James Farrior

CB
1. Champ Bailey
2. Ty Law
3. Pat Surtain
4. Chris McAllister
5. Charles Woodson

S
1. Ed Reed
2. Brian Dawkins
3. Rodney Harrison
4. Rodney Parrish
5. Roy Williams

K
1. Mike Vanderjagt
2. Adam Vinatieri
3. Jeff Wilkins
4. David Akers
5. Matt Stover

P
1. Shane Lechler
2. Todd Sauerbaun
3. Craig Hentrich
4. Jeff Feagles
5. Brad Maynard

Return
1. BJ Sams
2. Dante Hall
3. Eddie Drummond
4. Santana Moss
5. Chad Morton

[Magus Relmyn]

For those of you who are wondering why there are so many crappy Browns players on the list, it's because Mark (gmarbalest27) put them there.

Though I must admit playing 15 feet off the receiver is the cool thing to do nowadays. Just ask Tyrone Williams!

[kr580]

All I gotta say is Fred Beasley (FB), Eric Johnson (TE), Jeremey Newberry (C), Julian Peterson (OLB) & Tony Parrish (SS) should all be in the top 3 of their positions. The 49ers suck as a team, but these players can hold their own with anyone at their position.

[BigJabber]

QB -
1) Peyton Manning (IND)
2) Tom Brady (NE)
3) Donovan McNabb (PHI)
4) Daunte Culpepper (MIN)
5) Michael Vick (ATL)

HB -
1) Priest Holmes (KC)
2) Shaun Alexander(SEA)
3) LaDainian Tomlinson (SD)
4) Ahman Green (GB)
5) Corey Dillon (NE)

FB -
1) Fred Beasley (SF)
2) Lorenzo Neal (SD)
3) Mack Strong (SEA)
4) Tony Richardson (KC)
5) Cory Schlesinger (DET)

WR -
1) Terrell Owens (PHI)
2) Randy Moss (MIN)
3) Torry Holt (STL)
4) Marvin Harrison (IND)
5) Hines Ward (PIT)


This is going to take more time for me to think about for defense, so i'll post my offense right now. Then later i'll post the Defense.

[twins15]

Genuinely curious, why does almost everyone have Terrell Owens over Randy Moss? Obviously it's because you think he is better, but why?

[BigJabber]

Well right now i have TO over Moss because Moss is out with an injury, and TO has 12 TD. I am judging my votes basically on play up to this week, with a few exceptions. I was half a thought away from putting Moss at #1, and if he was in the lineup the last couple weeks, he would have been. Talent wise, i think Moss is Better.

[twins15]

Well right now i have TO over Moss because Moss is out with an injury, and TO has 12 TD. I am judging my votes basically on play up to this week, with a few exceptions. I was half a thought away from putting Moss at #1, and if he was in the lineup the last couple weeks, he would have been. Talent wise, i think Moss is Better.

All right, gotcha.

[bravest]

I'm extremely hurt how Shaun Alexander made second on some lists, and wasn't on other lists at all. I see how one can feel bad for Portis, who is without an offensive line now, but you need to pay more attention to the guy that had the second most touchdowns last year, only behind Priest Holmes. Yes, Shaun Alexander, third best in the league. :)

[BigJabber]

I put Alexander 2nd to Holmes. Thats right where he should be...Holmes, up until this week has been the best RB in this league in terms of YPC, Yardage Rushing TD's, REC Yards, REC TD's... However, ask me this question next week after Holmes has a week off due to injury, and Alexander has another 170 yard 2 TD game, and he'll be 1st on my list.