Kobe vs. Wade

[slinky]

I don't think T-Mac will ever become the star Kobe is, i think its time to find a new guy to be "better" than Kobe. Who would you pick to start a franchise? They both have similar stats...

[NomarFan5]

I don't think T-Mac will ever become the star Kobe is, i think its time to find a new guy to be "better" than Kobe. Who would you pick to start a franchise? They both have similar stats...


You got to be kidding right.. Kobe is nothing, never will be. Ill take T-Mac over Kobe anyday of the week. But if it has to be Kobe or Wade.. then Id take Wade, hes much better then Kobe.

[slinky]

Right...What has T-Mac ever done? Score on the worst team in the NBA? Underachieve anytime he has the time to? Play defense for half a quarter? Kobe is the better defender, and better scorer. Not to mention he played a gigantic role on a NBA dynasty. Kobe is also the more complete player, 7 rebounds and 7 assists.

As for Wade, how is he much better than Kobe? He is a good defender, but Kobe is the better defender right now. Kobe is getting more rebounds, same assist numbers, and more points.

[hehateme71]

kobe! I love wade but still, kobe is still young since he came out of high school and played ball, so really I think if it went to 4 years of college wouldnt this be his 5 season? but anyway wade is great, awesome player but I do not believe he has the skills as kobe, you take both 1 on 1 I believe kobe has a big advantage. plus you have to look at the rings, I know i know wade is only in second season but I dont think that the heat has a shot at the title. wade is quick, he can drive to the basket, but he is not the greatest shooter (if you disagree thats fine, but I saw just about every marquett game, and he couldnt shoot for crap) I would want a solid shooter, a aggressive player on defense which wade is. BUT if I had to choose it would go to Kopbe, I would rather have him on my team leading the way. he is just so good throghout the games, and I love watching him at the end of games, he makes the toughest shots. I like wade a whole lot better but yeah kobe is just well better.....

[yankeesfan26]

Dude, face it, Kobe sucks. He is carrying a terrible team kind of like Tmac was the last few years. At least T-Mac put up some huge offensive games. Wade is helping his team win. Kobe's team lost to the Bulls. That is one of the worst things that a team could possibly do. I would take wade over Kobe any day of the year and 3 times on the extra day during leap year.

[Magus Relmyn]

I'll take Kobe. I hate the guy, but you gotta admit he is a franchise player. However, I would take LeBron over Kobe, that is for sure.

Anyways, T-Mac now has a good supporting cast in Houston, unlike in Orlando with Yao and Jimmy Jackson, while Kobe has himself and... himself.

Besides that, Kobe is the type of self-centered player who wants to be the only star of the team.

[slinky]

Dude, face it, Kobe sucks. He is carrying a terrible team kind of like Tmac was the last few years. At least T-Mac put up some huge offensive games. Wade is helping his team win. Kobe's team lost to the Bulls. That is one of the worst things that a team could possibly do. I would take wade over Kobe any day of the year and 3 times on the extra day during leap year.
Dude, you must not know what your talking about. Kobe's team is above .500, T-Mac's Magic was never above .500 last year. Also, good teams do lose to bad teams. And I guess Lebron sucks too, his team lost to the Bulls by a whole lot... *rollyeyes And for the offensive numbers, Kobe is averaging 26 points, 7 assists, and 7 rebounds. Those are pretty big numbers.

As for Wade helping his team win, Kobe is the reason the Lakers win. Kobe doesn't have much help, and the little help he should have is struggling, like Odom or the injuried.

[Magus Relmyn]

T-Mac's Magic was never above .500 last year.

Actually, they were. They started the season 1-0. :D

[LudacrisFan]

Kobe over Wade anyday... The only reason DWade is doing well is because of Shaq

[yankeesfan26]

The only reason DWade is doing well is because of Shaq
He isn't doing good because of Shaq. Shaq can't give him good stats. He can help the team win, but he can't make Wade good or bad either way.

[hehateme71]

he cant make wade good? what the heck are you talking about? do you know how free wade gets because people have too double team shaq, and I can't believe you said kobe sucks. since you say shaq cant help a team then I guess he didnt help the lakers win the titles did he? it was all kobe then, see I really dont get you point.

[crazyburritoz2]

Kobe over Wade anyday... The only reason DWade is doing well is because of Shaq

Funny how he did good last year, huh?

I will take Wade, Kobe isnt putting up the same amount of assits Kobe has like 5-7 per night Wade has like 8-10. Wade doesnt need to get the rebounds all he needs to do is get the hell out of Shaqs way. Wade is also shooting better behind the arc. Also Wade is younger.

Why not Wade?

[yankeesfan26]

since you say shaq cant help a team then I guess he didnt help the lakers win the titles did he? it was all kobe then, see I really dont get you point.

He can help the team win

I said that Shaq helps the team win, but he doesn't help Wade's personal stats any.

[slinky]

Shaq makes it a lot easier for Wade to score right now, which is leading to more opportunitys for Wade. Shaq is taking less shots and demanding it less, while still getting doubled. Also, Wade fits in the offense more because the coach is making plays for him, like running and iso's. Kobe didn't get those at all.

As for Wade getting 8-10 and Kobe getting 5-7, that is false. Kobe has more triple doubles, and is average the same assist numbers while playing small foward and shooting guard. As for age, Wade is only about 4 years younger. Kobe is a proven veteran who still hasn't hit his prime. A lot of sophmores has fallen off, such as Carter.

[twins15]

Right now, I'd definitely take Kobe, leaving out the baggage. However, Wade is a great player who is progressing very nicely, so in a few years I may change my mind.

[crazyburritoz2]

Wade has 7.5 assits per game Kobe has 7.1, meaning WADE HAS MORE ASSITS PER GAME LIKE I SAID!

Shaq demanding for the ball less has nothing to do with Wades points he is taken less shots then Kobe and putting almost the same number of points up. Kobe may be playing SG and SF but thats not stoping him from controlling the ball and running the plays on offense, so that also has nothing to do with anything. Wade is 4 yrs younger yeah thats alot, Wade isnt gonna fall off. Carter hasnt fallen off either, when he came in he was the only guy on the Raptors and he had been hurt the last couple of yrs so that could be why he had "fallen off" in your mind, but he hasnt. This year he has many weapons around him meaning he doesnt need to control the game making him take less shots and his stats going down.

[gsbe44]

WADE! Kobe is only getting more numbers because he doesnt have Shaq taking them from him. Wade does have Shaq taking some of the numbers and he still has similar numbers to Kobe. I think the only reason Kobe is who he is today is because he had sombody like Shaq pickin up the slack. Wade did fine last year without SHAQ and is still doing so.. Kobe on the other hand isnt putting up the same numbers he was with Shaq... and then again LA isnt winning as much with the new look Lakers. I take Wade. Hes younger and i believe he proved himself mighty fine last season and is only getting better. Kobe on the other hand is going to fade out without another dominant player there to make him look good.

[wolves025]

Right now I would take TMac over Kobe. TMac is one year younger and there career stats are alot alike and they look like this

Bryant
PPG Rebounds Ast Blocks FG%
21.9 5.1 4.3 .64 .452

Mcgrady
PPG Rebounds Ast Blocks FG%
21.4 6.4 4.2 1.16 .445

There a lot alike but I like TMac more and he is a year younger. ( I like to look at career stats it shows how constant they have been)

Wade is to young yet to judge. Give him 2 more years and we can see.

[slinky]

WADE! Kobe is only getting more numbers because he doesnt have Shaq taking them from him. Wade does have Shaq taking some of the numbers and he still has similar numbers to Kobe. I think the only reason Kobe is who he is today is because he had sombody like Shaq pickin up the slack. Wade did fine last year without SHAQ and is still doing so.. Kobe on the other hand isnt putting up the same numbers he was with Shaq... and then again LA isnt winning as much with the new look Lakers. I take Wade. Hes younger and i believe he proved himself mighty fine last season and is only getting better. Kobe on the other hand is going to fade out without another dominant player there to make him look good.
You just proved you don't follow the Lakers at all. Kobe is getting more assists, rebounds, and is almost the same with points per game. Granted, he did better with Shaq, but he is playing with a new system and teammates, as well playing with a foot injury. There is more than just Kobe with the Lakers losing, they have a lot of injuries in the front court, and Odom still needs to find his place.

As for playing with Shaq, he makes it easier but he didn't "make" Kobe. Shaq never really "made" anyone, he makes it a lot easier but guys like Fisher who were "made" by Shaq are doing better.

Shaq demanding for the ball less has nothing to do with Wades points he is taken less shots then Kobe and putting almost the same number of points up. Kobe may be playing SG and SF but thats not stoping him from controlling the ball and running the plays on offense, so that also has nothing to do with anything. Wade is 4 yrs younger yeah thats alot, Wade isnt gonna fall off. Carter hasnt fallen off either, when he came in he was the only guy on the Raptors and he had been hurt the last couple of yrs so that could be why he had "fallen off" in your mind, but he hasnt. This year he has many weapons around him meaning he doesnt need to control the game making him take less shots and his stats going down.
Yes there is a reason why Wade is scoring more with Shaq demanding the ball less, he is getting open looks and is creating with the comfort of knowing Shaq is not their demanding it. He gets more looks, and open ones too. Shaq demanded the ball and didn't get open looks for Kobe. As for Carter, don't tell me he hasn't fallen off. His shot percentage has been down two years in a row, and his assist and rebound numbers hasn't improved. His scoring has gone down as well, from 25 point season to 22 and 15. True he plays injuried, but so does many who play and don't suffer.

Right now I would take TMac over Kobe. TMac is one year younger and there career stats are alot alike and they look like this

Bryant
PPG Rebounds Ast Blocks FG%
21.9 5.1 4.3 .64 .452

Mcgrady
PPG Rebounds Ast Blocks FG%
21.4 6.4 4.2 1.16 .445

There a lot alike but I like TMac more and he is a year younger. ( I like to look at career stats it shows how constant they have been)

Wade is to young yet to judge. Give him 2 more years and we can see.
Then Paul Pierce and Carter are better than both, with more points and near same anything else. Personal stats don't prove someone is better, Carmelo wasn't better than James or Wade because he scored more, or had more rebounds. What matters is if you win, and Kobe has and T-Mac hasn't. Tracy has underachieved in almost every team he has been in. The Rockets aren't doing well, and the Magic were the worst team last year. Kobe on the other hand is overachieving with the Lakers. Many thought they would be under .500, and they are over .500 with an injuried Brian Grant, Divac, and still having their young players struggling. Kobe has more assists and points this year as well. Not to mention Kobe is the superior defender, with several All NBA-Defensive teams.

[crazyburritoz2]

You just ruined everything you said...you say personal stats dont matter. Your whole thing about Kobe was he has more assits and rebounds per game. Guess what Wade is winning....KOBE ISNT!

[slinky]

Personal stats doesn't determine who is the better player as a whole. Personal and team achievements do, Kobe has been a MAJOR part of a dynasty, Tracy McGrady has always been puttin good stats on a losing team. Kobe's team this year hasn't been below .500.

Wade is putting great stats up, but Kobe has been putting better, as well as leading the team himself to nearly the same record. Kobe has less assists by .4, but puts up better rebound numbers and scores more. As for Wade's shooting, it is suspect. The guy shoots 0. 4 three pointers, and makes 0.2.

[crazyburritoz2]

Miami has 4 more wins the records arent nearly the same... Kobe's team is horrible give me a break, they have already shown that Shaq was the main reason their was a dynasty. Kobe touches the ball more then any player in the game of course he is gonna put up better numbers then Wade.

[AO street ballin]

I would take Paul Pierce, LeBron James, and Tracey McGrady over Kobe. And I quote, "Those guys are out there playin for me." Those were Kobe's exact words when he was speakin on Karl Malone. I'm sorry, but if I had a team, I wouldn't want a player sayin it was his team. Oh no thank you. I'd take Pierce because he's a great player and team player with clutch, LeBron because he's 19 and just amazin at everythin, and Tracey because he can lead a team if he has another player helpin him.

[slinky]

Shaq said "my team" before, Jordan says "my team", Iversons "my guys", now if its Kobe its wrong isn't it? Many franchise players refer their teams to their team, and they are right to. As for Pierce, he is a great player, but not as good as Kobe. His assist numbers are average, as well as his playmaking compared to Tracy, Kobe, or James. His clutchness isn't the same as Kobe, Kobe doesn't just make last second shots. He makes important shots, check out the Detriot game 2, after he made that shot, he dominanted Overtime. Also against the Spurs in 2001, and Pacers game and countless other regular season games. Tracy McGrady has another guy to help him, Yao, and they are still doing bad. Also, its not much of a franchise player if Tracy can't win by himself, and he needs another star. Compare Kobe's stats to Tracy and Pierce, Kobe has 7 rebounds compared to Pierce's 6, and 7 assists compared to Pierces 4. Kobe also has 26 points, Pierce has 21. Tracy has more rebounds, but Kobe has more assists and points.

As for James, he is one player that could be better than Kobe. However, I would give him a few more years of tests, at 19 you can't compare him to Kobe right now. He is one player who could be better than Kobe, barring injuries.

Crazy, I know Shaq was the main reason, but you can't downplay Kobe's contributions. If it wasn't for Kobe, Shaq wouldn't have won, and vice-versa. Funny how its Kobe's fault not giving his team credit, but is ok for Shaq to say he was the reason why they won, isn't it? Also give me a reason Kobe's team sucks, other than Shaq was the reason they won three championships. The Heat lost one less games than the Lakers, and played more games, in the East.

[AO street ballin]

Jordan, Shaq, and Iverson didn't say "those guys go out there and play hard for me" now did they? All the players I said are as good or better and don't deny that.

[slinky]

No they haven't said that, but they always say something like that to some extent. Shaq has always said "my team" before...

[DONtheGREAT23]

slinky, it seems like you just wont accept anyones opinion who says someone is better than kobe. im not going to say kobe is bad, but he isnt quite what everyone else thinks of him. he is a good player, but not amazing. i believe tmac is and wade will be better than kobe. tmac is great. and to say he isnt a franchise player because he needs someone else to help his team win is ridiculous. it is extremely rare for one player to carry and entire team. 99% of the time there is a second star on successful teams. as of right now, wade isnt quite as good as kobe, but give him time and he will be. wade is only in his second season. as he gets more familiar with the nba and improves his game, i think he will become better than kobe.

[crazyburritoz2]

Miami WILL KILL Lakers on Christmas, and it will be the best Christmas present ever to hear you shut up. Shaq is the main reason they one anyone could of came in there and won with Shaq, Pierce, Iverson, Carter...It goes on and on SHAQ is the reason their was a dynasty Kobe isnt, Kobe is the reason there is no more dynasty and there never will be as long as Kobe is running it.

[slinky]

Tracy is better than Kobe is, IMO, ridiculous. What I was saying is that Tracy needs a Shaq or Dirk to win, not a second option like a Yao or Marion to win. Tracy has a second star in Yao, but they are still doing average. Last year, Tracy's team was the worst in the league, and his best season, the Magic lost a 3-0 lead in the playoffs. Statistically, this season he isn't as good as Kobe, and he isn't as good as a defender as Kobe. Kobe has been a major part in a dynasty while Tracy hasn't done that in a consistent winning team. Kobe is leading his team, despite injuried and unfamiliar to at least an acceptable record, Tracy is leading his supposedly championship team to a under .500 season.

As for Wade, he has the potential to be good but not quite as good as Kobe. I love the kid's work ethic, and talent. His lack of height for shooting guard, and not being a true point guard is always going to hurt him. However, I do think Lebron can be a lot better than Kobe later.