BIAS against NINTENDO - Discussion Thread

[pac4life]

Alright guys, the other thread, the ds already loosing one, made some good points about bias against nintendo. I will admit, this is gonna sound wierd, but its true. Nintendo is prob my fav developer. In fact, it is. However, as far as consoles and handhelds go, interestingly and suprisingly nintendo is not my fav. Xbox is my fav console, and i would trade in a GC for it (only to trade it in for a gc when the new zelda comes out, then trade it back for an xbox when i beat it) and i find the PSP more attractive. But that is just my opnion, if you love a DS or GC 100x more, then thats nice, i dont care. But the only thing that I dont like is all this bias against nintendo.

2 examples:
I was at school talking to some people, they were talking about RPGs, and becuase i dont like the god damn movie/text/nerd adventures, i wasnt listening much, but then i he said how he bought a gamecube for FF: Crystal Chronicals. ok, so i asked him if he had any other games. He said no. I asked him why (this is a Casual/RPG Gamer mind you) and he said becuase it had to many kiddy games. I looked at him quite suprised, i said yeah i know what you mean, but the system isnt kiddy. I told him how if he's going by cutsy looks, the PS2 probably had just as many if not more than the GC has. He sorta shrugged his shoulders, and i told him about Metroid Prime, Re4 (i really talked about RE4), Eternal Darkness, MGS, etc etc... And he refuted with Wind Waker....yes, it is kiddy, but i told him how i liked the art style. He was suprised to hear this coming from me when all i usually talk about is xbox. Now he's looking into the new zelda and several other RPG's that are on the Cube.
Number 2
Was at EB games, and the guy was telling someone about how GC is the worst. I decided to go up, and i asked him (this was a while ago...when i went to pick up Metroid 0 mission 4 my SP) What system i should get, becuase im considering a system. i just played stupid. He told me the same thing. He said i should buy and xbox or a PS2. I told him "my brother" had an Xbox so i wasnt interested it. Then i asked him why i should purchase a PS2 instead of a GC. He talked about Exclusives first, i agreed, the PS2 definatly has the best 3rd party Exclusives. He said a dvd player was included, but i said o already have an awesome DVD player. Then he tlaked about lots of fake shit. The PS2 had better graphics. The PS2 could load faster. The PS2 had more mature games. I acted just as a casual customer, i pretended i didnt know. I told him "well, these mature games are also on the gamecube?" "i was at my friends house and, trust me, the PS2 does not have better load times than the GC" and "i dont see to many PS2 games looking as good as Metroid Prime. Ok, so he shut up then. He didnt know i sorta knew what i was tlaking about. I probably would buy a PS2 over a GC. But the fact that he was wrong, and, hated nintendo (trust me, i could tell), i had to pretend or do something. Just to satisfy my curiosity.


it seems way back in the day everyone was happy with their Super Nintendos, but all of a sudden nintendo is hated by all. (i started gaming when diddy kong racing came out so i wasnt a vid player during the snes days, but i went to friends houses and played all the time).


Now that leads me to ask, have any of you guys had such encounters? or, what do you think about nintendo bias?

[Silent Strife]

I think anybody that has ever gone to a store such as EB and bought or inquired to buy a Nintendo product, they have encountered some sort of bias. I respect how, even though it isn't your favorite system, you still notice the wrong in their thinking.

[Freeman_JI]

True there is alot of bias towards nintendo, esp in Australia it's basically a Dreamcast over here overshadowed by the PS2 and Xbox at every turn. Even in EB probably the greatest game of the year RE4 get's a tiny little comming soon poster, while the xbox and PS2 sections are filled with huge comming soon stuff.

[Flamin Scotsman]

well my local store has a nintendo fanatic like me and we discuss all the new games and stuff :D

[Phoenix]

That's why I go to Gamestop now. They may have employees who prefer PS2/Xbox over Gamecube, but they aren't ignorant to the basic facts and they don't lie about them either, so that's just fine by me. Not all EB employees are like that of course, but I've seen more of them there than Gamestop.

[Viper]

Well done. You display respect and knowledge even if Nintendo doesn't tickle your fancy as others do and for that, you get a + rep.

You asked of bias encounters. I got thrown out of Toys R Us once for correcting a biased employee.
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=4479&highlight=Toys

[Phoenix]

That thread was quoted in the retail bias editorial. Good job, Viper.

[koten]

Bias against Nintendo is everywhere. You just have to bear it for now and hope that when Nintendo's Revolution is complete, we'll see the return of Nintendo as the superpower it once was.

[Dashboard]

Everyone uses too much bias against Nintendo, and it all comes right back to the whole concept of them being too "kiddy." Nintendo has put out some mature games. If they were "kiddy," would "Touching is Good" be used for the Nintendo DS commercials? That's not that kiddy. Would they have Resident Evil 4 on their system? No, they wouldn't. It is true that Nintendo tends to put out games that are "kiddy" more than they put out mature games, but, they're trying to appeal to all audiences. That doesn't make them such a bad development team.

[Lynk Former]

It's a case of being so successful that everyone hates you. It's like being the smart kid at school, you are smart and you are going to get good grades, but the cool kids are still gonna pick on ya XD lol

[Ravster]

Yea in my local game store, theres one gamecube sorta shelf that anyone can hardly notice

[Flamin Scotsman]

the size of shelf, unfortunately is nothing to do with biased.. it would all be to do with sales and demand... if they shelf is hidden away however.. thats a different story

[Lynk Former]

In my local EB Games (down in Australia) they used to have the Nintendo stuff down the back but since the Nintendo DS was released they moved everything right to the front of the store...

[Vishus]

Well I don't really go to those places where heaps of them appear. Game Crazy is the only place I know where the employees are actually gamers and talk to you like a gamer about what games are good. My friends well since most of them are in the same major or related major they aren't ignorant of what good things can come from Nintendo. Obviously, you can't become a game designer if you have "the kiddy" thinking.

[Ocelot9]

Everyone uses too much bias against Nintendo.

I agree. I get so sick of Xbox this PS2 that!
I even have a brand new video store down the street that rents PS2, Xbox......and yep instead of having a little faith in the Big "N", they stack some old PS1 games on the shelf beside the other two. I was floored by this?!?

Eb and Future shop are bad for this too, they have all sorts of extra shelves and bins with PS2 and Xbox, yet GC still has the smallest of them all!

I love Nintendo, they have this flare about them that the other two lack....especially Xbox!
I believe Nintendo will gain their ground once again and be on top, until then they will be the Underground gaming company!

[tonic]

Nintendo is becoming the Apple of gaming. It's got its core userbase, and it's seen as something special.
I personally can't wait for the iGameBoy to come out. :D

[Flaccid Acid]

The Ebgames around here (at least the one I go to) all seem very unbaised when it comes to Nintendo, which is refreshing to say the least.

[Ocelot9]

The Ebgames around here (at least the one I go to) all seem very unbaised when it comes to Nintendo, which is refreshing to say the least.


I must admit that not all Eb employees are biased and against Nintendo, The EB stores in Toronto are pro Gamecube if anything and rightfully so, The Xbox is not very popular among these employees.
I also find that true gamers and game collectors (Rare and unusual) tend to dislike Xbox the most due to lack of good and original games!

This is how I rate the systems:
( I now own all three)

Xbox= insane graphics, but very PC like with tons of PC games, and has way to many sports games and FPS Games, virtually no true JRPG games.

PS2= Tons of games of all varieties.....RPG king!
Bland graphics on most cases!

GameCube= Some of the greatest Nintendo made games among some clever concepts in games, Amazing graphics that come close to Xbox quality, has some J-RPGs, and now has RE4.....Drool!


GameCube wins!

[Bloodman]

Ive said so much in the other thread that i cant dare repeat it due to its length.

[Xer0]

I would say that the main problem is that, well, people are getting dumber, or at least more superficial, and that is the last thing that Nintendo has appealed to which tends to lead to some sort of bias against them. Is it un-called for? Of course, sadly it will remain until Nintendo decides to be like a little 17 year old driving his Civic with a huge wing and a billion stickers, all show and no go.

[TotalHenshin]

If it wasn't for Sony, the mainstreamers would have never gotten involved in gaming and corrupted the gaming industry. The gaming industry should have been left alone to us, the real gamers. Sony has killed the video gaming industry that I once knew and loved. Now there's a bunch of "mature" games out (most of which are absolute CRAP) and Nintendo is labeled as "kiddy." It's a sad, sad day to be a gamer. Things should've just been Nintendo, Sega and PC. Those were the days....

[Shadow Voa]

I seem to ask this with all my friends at school constantly considering I still never get a real answer, its more dodged...more like Im not quite satisfied. Why does Nintendo need more mature games? My friends say it well remove the "kiddy image" and help get some GTA, HALO like software aswell as more shooters (basically more games that can be found on Xbox and PS2). Now I said why does Nintendo need games like that? They responded so they can look cool and less kiddy, and then besmirched the good name that was more stating some garbage about him. So I said Nintendo needs more guns, more swearing, more blood and more of everything that makes the competetion stand out? They simply nodded and stated games that Nintendo needs to lose. Ill just name the 3 biggest games they suggested removing.
Legend of Zelda ( Wind Waker they singled)
Mario series ( Super Mario Sunshine singled)
DK ( Donkey Jungle Beat singled)
Now if Im not so old fashioned about Nintendo I believe Sony or MS would literally kill to secure these killer aps. So basically what I understood is as long as these games are on a system that is "cool" then they are alright to play and not kiddy. Why the hell is that? What does looking cool have to do with playing games...its really pathetic this gaming slump these casual gamers have put us in. Ohwell they will be stoped soon after Nintendos Revolution is complete.

[Viper]

I do remember when gamers were the 'nerds'.

I was a gamer when gaming wasn't cool.

3DO and Sega started the entire, "You'll be cool playing our console and not he other guys" BS. Sony capitalized on it. MS had an orgasm. Nintendo is now the mom and pop shop of gaming.

I'm still a gamer on the game system that isn't cool.

[pac4life]

hahaha ^ that is funny, i remember that too, the SEGA part anyway, (i was very young then) so i think thats why i never wanted to play games. Although i think video games now are more of a "culture" if you know what i mean.

[Bloodman]

Man, i swear, if nintendo goes out of buisness i will fight anyone who thinks "NINTENDO IS TEH KIDDEY".

[koten]

Eh... Fighting is good... Killing is better.

[Shadow Voa]

Eh... Fighting is good... Killing is better.

Killing is good but mass murder of Sony is better ( if I got nothing to live for then SOny is going to hell with me...along with its fans cause...im an a$$hole)

[OfAnAgeGoneBy]

bias against nintendo...sure why the hell not. less room for stuff in stores etc etc etc.

but when you're in 3rd place this gen its not suprising to see the other leading two in the spotlight.

Imagine you own a store. you sell computers. Apple, Dell, and Alienware.

Dell sells tons, and Alienware sells a wee bit more than Apple.

Dell may not have a rabid fanbase but you can move lots in a month so you have them "showcased" as it were. (sony)

Alienware dosen't fly off shelves, but sells more than apple month to month so you post more stuff of Alienware around hoping to increase sales. (MS)

Then you have apple, more a niche product, but a good one at that. Not many get moved month to month, but the "mac addicts" always spout off about how great the machine is. These people may have and bought apple things at your store, however due to business you can't afford to showcase apple over another computer due to its lack of general interest. (Nintendo)

get my drift? the bias didn't start with the stores/media etc. It started with the consumer, consumer influence influences store policy. as seen above. Given there is (probably) more to it than that.

As for me, i had a NES, SNES, N64, GB, GBP, GBC, and GBA and the SP version. I had DS, because i wanted to belive that Nintendo would do something great. Instead i had a $150 alarm clock, and gimick games in my view.

Nintendo dropped the ball on the N64. They haven't recovered from that yet. (sure go ahead and arge how they have oh so much in the bank) What i see is a company that dosen't want to compete w/MS or Sony so they go the gimick route.

Sure the revolution may "blow my mind," but thats for e3 and beyond to say.

Am i bais, I would say no. Dissapointed in Nintendo, yes.

[off topic some]

Going through this thread i see genuine intelligence (Viper) and he knows what he likes, my guess is to the fact that he will test whats out and then give a final judgement.

bah, just a thought for all you who want "Sony to die" here is a thought in a few simple steps:
1) buy up all the Sony stock you can find
2) then buy up even more!
3) have your friends/family etc etc etc do the same
path 1
4) schedule a day and time to sell it all
5) watch sony stock fall and put a major crimp in business
path 2
4) become a major stockholder in the company
5) fuck it over that way.

-out

[Xer0]

bias against nintendo...sure why the hell not. less room for stuff in stores etc etc etc.

but when you're in 3rd place this gen its not suprising to see the other leading two in the spotlight.

Imagine you own a store. you sell computers. Apple, Dell, and Alienware.

Dell sells tons, and Alienware sells a wee bit more than Apple.

Dell may not have a rabid fanbase but you can move lots in a month so you have them "showcased" as it were. (sony)

Alienware dosen't fly off shelves, but sells more than apple month to month so you post more stuff of Alienware around hoping to increase sales. (MS)

Then you have apple, more a niche product, but a good one at that. Not many get moved month to month, but the "mac addicts" always spout off about how great the machine is. These people may have and bought apple things at your store, however due to business you can't afford to showcase apple over another computer due to its lack of general interest. (Nintendo)

get my drift? the bias didn't start with the stores/media etc. It started with the consumer, consumer influence influences store policy. as seen above. Given there is (probably) more to it than that.

As for me, i had a NES, SNES, N64, GB, GBP, GBC, and GBA and the SP version. I had DS, because i wanted to belive that Nintendo would do something great. Instead i had a $150 alarm clock, and gimick games in my view.

Nintendo dropped the ball on the N64. They haven't recovered from that yet. (sure go ahead and arge how they have oh so much in the bank) What i see is a company that dosen't want to compete w/MS or Sony so they go the gimick route.

Sure the revolution may "blow my mind," but thats for e3 and beyond to say.

Am i bais, I would say no. Dissapointed in Nintendo, yes.

[off topic some]

Going through this thread i see genuine intelligence (Viper) and he knows what he likes, my guess is to the fact that he will test whats out and then give a final judgement.

bah, just a thought for all you who want "Sony to die" here is a thought in a few simple steps:
1) buy up all the Sony stock you can find
2) then buy up even more!
3) have your friends/family etc etc etc do the same
path 1
4) schedule a day and time to sell it all
5) watch sony stock fall and put a major crimp in business
path 2
4) become a major stockholder in the company
5) fuck it over that way.

-out

Although i do agree with most of your points, the computer example was excellent, i disagree that Nintendo dropped anything. The 64 sold great and its games sold well enough too, Nintendo just did what it always used to do. However, the reason that the 64 era fucked up Nintendo is because that is when a new type of gamer came in, one that was HUGE in numbers that Nintendo just was not prepared for. Sony, however, was and with it took the lead. Nintendo was just caught off gaurd on the 64, i wouldn't say they dropped the ball. They have started to somewhat tap into that market this gen, however they still mostly leave it alone and cater to the people that they have always catered too.

[OfAnAgeGoneBy]

Yes the N64 sold good as did quite a number of the games (OoT, Goldeneye etc)

I look at the games that came out later on in the systems life span and the "great" ones started not comming out quite spaced out. Nintendo should have noticed this and done something (lowering the cost to make a game on the 64 might have helped some, however hindsight is 20/20 lol.

take the Cube. a solid system w/out enough tv or print ads. GBA-GCN connictivity ending up being a joke. No real online plan, well if having Sega worry about it is a plan i am wrong.

GBA+SP great sellers, helps when no competition. Nice to see the GB series actually evolve past the 8bit barrier. no real compaint here

DS, not even a full year old so im not gonna make a "success" judgement however it must be acknowledge how many they have moved (quite impressive) Yet the DS is falling in the same way the cube did IMO, a veritable lack of good non-nintendo games, and Nintendo hasn't done much for the system on the software side either.

XerO, i love that sig btw, and i do agree pre-N64 gamers were a small percentage so part of the "unpreparedness" is understandable.

[pac4life]

^ im interested in the DS now, my friend got the new Nintendo Power today and we looked through it. I was very happy with what i saw, and i see potential for it. Ill still be gettin my psp of ebay, but im definatly gonna have a DS by the summer (hopefully goldeneye will be out).

[bobo_ess]

that would be nice^