DEBATE: Why Sony is Dominating

[Kliq]

I hope that this thread will become a nice debate, we need some of those around here, so let's take this topic seriously, thanks.


Anyways, what exactly is Sony doing that the other consoles fail. I mean, if you listen to people who don't know anything about videogames and than ask them which console they own, its usally a ps2. You ask them why and they usually say "NBA Live or Madden" and than you tell them that its also on Gamecube ... and they say its too kiddy.


Maybe its teh fact that a 20 something year old doesnt want to play Madden on a small purple console with small purple controllers ... or jet black ... but even the black doesnt lure them away.

When you're at school at teachers are talking they usually say "stop watching TV and playing that PLAYSTATION" ... playstation. If seems Sony has gotten a hold of most gamers, literate and illiterate alike.

But why and how?

Discuss.

[CronoLink64]

Easy, the name Sony is more popular and "cooler" than the gay "kiddie" system called the gaycube like some people like to say it...

23% of this world play sport games and 22% play RPGs. Those 2 genres are mostly on PS2. Also, it cam out a year before GC and Xbox and it has a DVD... It can play PS1 games, it can play DVD's, the onlining sucks ass, (GC is much better, trust me, play PSO and play Socom), and it has awesome games like GTA3, Vice City, KH, FFX, MGS2...

[sagara0510]

Sony blew every1 away with the PSX. I for one didn't imagine the PSX would b as successful as it was. But after the PSX, Sony had a solid fan base and huge 3rd party support. This made it extremely easy to promote the PS2 and ensure it had plenty of games to keep the fans interested.

Also i believe the competition when the PSX was around wasn't as competitive as it was today. Sony's PSX was by far the stand out superior console. The N64 definately had that 'kiddie' image and being cart base didn't help Nintendo lure 3rd party developers. The Saturn...do i even need to mention that?

Now that the market is more competitive, Sony are in the box seat. They released the PS2 earlier than both the Xbox and the GCN ensuring they had the most consoles out there in the market.

'Kiddie' may play a part in the whole thing but its not a huge factor i believe. Only ignorant, niave and clueless people still call the GCN a kiddie console. I had a fren who called the GCN kiddie. 'why'd u buy that for? its a kiddie game. all it has is Pikmin' is what he said. so i brought him ova to my place and plugged in Resident Evil. That shut him up.

[Talon]

Well, I was around when Nintendo was the word. From 86 to 97 there really was no question what to buy .. Nintendo. Some went for Sega and I had both a SMS and a Genesis, but I had more games for my Nintendos through both generations.

In Generation3, Sony offered some "advantages" to the mass market:

1) new media, CD's, which were assumed to be superior by the average consumer because they already got used to the idea that audio CD's were superior

2) they pulled in a lot of the 3d party developers and franchises from Nintendo that people were used to. N64 was difficult to develop for and Nintendo still played hardball on the licensing and the "Quality Assurance" while Sony would let anybody make a game for their system .... and this led to

3) volume. The number of games in the PSX catalog is massive

4) Nintendo began earning their "kiddy" image by teaming up heavily with Pokemon ... meanwhile Sony was selling violence

5) The average Sony consumer during the PSX generation were attracted to the more violent and mature games because they had played Nintendo during their "childhood" ... now they were 14 and not a kid anymore, dammit! (And they needed to prove it)

As for the next generation, PS2 again came in with some major "advantages"

1) they kept the 3d party exclusives they had gotten with the PSX, which starved the Dreamcast and kept customers

2) backwards compatibility (it'll play your PSX games) is a big, big seller ... even though most people still had a perfectly functional PSX they felt they were somehow getting something extra

3) DVD was rather new when the PSX launched and lots of people felt they could kill 2 birds with one stone.

4) It came out before Nintendo. Because the PSX had been such a great success tons of people jumped on the PS2 bandwagon. Now that Nintendo has its own console out, PS2 owners want to band together in "solidarity" to defend a console which they know doesn't stack up on paper with the competition. So they resort to being childish and labeling Nintendo's new console as "kiddy." Kinda ironic, really. But peer pressure is a powerful thing among the young and old alike.

As for Nintendo's uphill struggle, they have quite a reputation to live down from the N64. Not enough games, the Pokemon image, and I personally think people are as turned off the the SHAPE of the Gamecube as they are to the color. I don't know why but people want a low flat box. It looks more serious to them that way .. like a stereo component.

As for me, I learned my lesson with the PSX. I have gone back to Nintendo. Quality over quantity, quality over quantity. But the PS2 still has the public in its grip because now its the household word, not Nintendo.


These are just some random thoughts collected together, and there are plenty of other reasons. You could ask someone who is in the video game retail business and they'll have some other answers for you. Ask someone who owns a video&game rental store and they'll have more. But it basically boils down to this --- Nintendo doesn't compete as well as they dominate.

[CronoLink64]

Originally posted by sagara0510
I had a fren who called the GCN kiddie. 'why'd u buy that for? its a kiddie game. all it has is Pikmin' is what he said. so i brought him ova to my place and plugged in Resident Evil. That shut him up.

Looks like I am not alone. Everyone here owns a PS2 and not a single GC. Everyone around here just don't understand. In other words, they're clueless dumbasses.

[Majora]

Why is Sony dominating?

I can tell you why in Australia. They're after the pirated games!!

If you could pirate Nintendo 64 or GC games they'd have been buying them too.

[Gen]

Blah.

I got both, but look - I'll stay my own experiences instead of saying some amazing super faclkfmasdl;fmsf fdaksmfsalkjfmfjn nonsense, shall we?

Having owned all consoles, except X-box so far.

I must say this,

Playstation whether the quality isnt as amazing as Nintendo's (mind you all nintendo games arent great)

Has MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD games

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD games

You go to rent something, and u got MAD games to pick, while Nintendo has games and will have this new 180 new game thing.

Most of those games, are "KIDDIE" why do you people get offended?

CHILDISH, for CHILDREN - Nintendo gained that rep from the 64 .. Pokemon, .. need I say more

Nintendo has its great games, Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Smash Brothers, .. but they cant ryde games till they drain the juices, they honestly need to re-think and make some new things.. and need to end their never mature game streak, their ratio of "above kiddie" level games, is VERY low to X-Box AND PS2

I'm not even a fanboy of anything here, I love Nintendo, but you people gotta defend it like its forever destined to last forever

"Ill be with it till the end" - THEN DO IT .. Who cares but the certain you? I'm not gonna stick with nintendo if it gets even wacker, what did you expect?

And I care less how the console looks, those people who didnt buy it for how it looks are stupid dumbasses, and I agree that is so ignorant

But look at the games here people, LOOK AT THEM - are you blind?! - look at the new Zelda coming out...

WTF? ... Yeah yeah yeah "GAMEPLAY HEY GEN GAMEPLAY IT COULD BE THE BEST EVER!!!!" .... who knows?! as of now all we see, is what we see, and what I see is garbage, I dont like how it looks, dont know how it plays, but dont like how it looks, and you LOOK at the damn thing as you play, it has its drawbacks BEFOREHAND which is SAD

And when the thing comes out, dont you people DARE tell me "Oh look its outselling this and that this and that" thats just cause of its exposure, and how people who dont like how it looks, will still buy it to see if the gameplay will at least make looking at it seem worth it ( including me!)

Other then my little note to all you people who dont like the whole kiddie name for Nintendo, think twice

The reason sony is dominating, is for its huge library of games, dvd playability, and it came out a bit before x-box and nintendo, making it have a huge lead, BECAUSE - believe me, they HYPED SONY BAAAAAAAD

I mean you couldnt get the thing till like February of the next year when it first came out.

I got both, and I keep the playstation in my room, and the gamecube in my little brothers, cause most of the games, arent for me, .. and the ones I do go in his room to play, are Smash brothers, Mario, Starfox, and mario party ( cause of its multi-player addictive ways)

other then that, I ignore the rest

We get older, and we all loved this when Nintendo had the 64, But now im not into that nonsense, I want something my style, and most people, buy whats their style, and lately PS2 has all the glamour with the age of Violence, Mature, RPG, yada yada that GameCube lacks, HAS but LACKS.. it doesnt have ALOT, so you "and then I got Resident Evil and shut him up" .. um yeah, what else...??? 5-10 other games if even?

I love Nintendo, and want them to just get the fuck over it and start putting out ALOT of GOOD games that arent so gayishly for the younger age levels

Oh well, reply and hate, I'll reply again.. opinions mean something and thats why Sony is winning


Why not ask people who bought it ???

I got it before GameCube came out, But i also got the gamecube, thinking this would just put everything to shame, its NINTENDO, but it has, its NOT what expected, its just a better graphically looking 64 with less quality on games

Sad

[sagara0510]

this outa be fun...

firstly i agree that the PS2 has mad games. no1 can argue with that fact.

however, people get offended when the GCN is called 'kiddie' because its not just for kids. if it was a 'kiddie' console there wouldn't even be any mature titles on the console. not a single one. the fact that there are mature titles - albiet a lack of - goes to show that Nintendo are trying to grab mature gamers too

secondly, nintendo didn't gain the 'kiddie' rep from the N64, they've always had it. kids have been playing Nintendo for ages. no1 deny's this either. its a well known fact that Nintendo hardware/software have had 'kiddie' plastered all over it. however with the release of the GCN, Nintendo are trying to shake away this 'kiddie' title that has plagued them (for better or worse) for decades.

thirdly, i TOTALLY agree with you in that Nintendo need some new material. I was never a fan of Mario, Zelda and all the others. I don't own a single Mario game, heck the only Nintendo product i own is the GCN. so obviously im not a hardcore fan of Nintendo's mascots. If Nintendo were to re-think and come up with some NEW ideas and not just sequel after sequel of trusted mascots, it would only benefit the company. having said that, i also believe they can't just abandon their current titles. never forget ur roots i say. they need new material but they should also refine their current stuff

fourthly, all fanboys regardless of console/company are idiots.

fithly, gameplay is extremely important. way more important than flashy eye candy. a game with solid gameplay will always get a decent, solid score regardless of graphics but a game that looks flashy but plays like a dog belongs with the dogs. don't underestimate the power of strong gameplay and a solid storyline.

sixthly (gosh keeps goin eh?) shuddup about Celda.

i've already stated the reasons i believe the PS2 is dominating so i'll only summarise
- large fanbase
- lots of 3rd party developers = lots of games
- released way before both xbox and gcn
- prior success of the psx

the dvd playability on the ps2 is a dogs breakfast compared to a proper dvd player. anyone who bought the ps2 as a dvd player first, and a games console second is an idiot.

altho i agree the ps2 has heaps more games, its the quality not the quantity that counts. i'd rather play 10 good games than 30 shitty ones. i'm not saying the ps2 has shitty games, i dig the FF games, MGS2, Silent Hill 2 and the Tekken games to name afew, but u gota admit, the ps2 has its fair share of shit house, not worth a second look games.

i used Resident Evil as an example of a mature game to show to my friend that the GCN does in fact cater for mature gamers. i didn't say they have alot of mature games and i won't deny they're lacking.

i got the GCN for its mature games only. i don't care abt the kiddie games but i won't mind revisiting my youthful childhood by playing some mario or sonic or some other 'kiddie' game. whats the point in being mature if u cant accept a kiddie game every now and then if its GOOD. if u just disregard everything else on the GCN like u claim then you're just being totally ignorant and possibly missing out on playing some good games.

think about it.

[Kliq]

Gen you make a point ....

If you ever walk into Blockbuster and compare the Ps2 shelf to teh Gamecube shelf ... you will see a huge difference.

Gamecube will be packed with some 'five star' titles like Mario but than you have Ps2 that has so many games to choose from, games like Final Fantasy to GTA ... its hard to resist.

Great debate you guys ... keep it going.

[Talon]

Gen what are all these "kiddie" games so far on GC? I'm 35 ... we have 8 GC games so far in our house and I like them all. I don't think any of them are kiddie.

Do you think the original "Super Mario Bros." is kiddie? Because nobody did when it was the #1 game in the world.

I think this kiddie thing is quite unfair .... I'll agree it applied to the Pokemon flood on the N64, but the GC lineup so far has not been "kiddie" .... sure there are a few games for kids only, but every console has that and should.

Do you think "Super Monkey Ball" was "kiddie?" Have you played it?

Basically, the "kiddie" thing is something teenagers use to describe games that dont simulate something theyre not old enough to do yet in real life. Grow up, kid.

[Kliq]

Talon, you make some valid points.

Kiddie wasn't even a major thing back in the SNES and Gensis days. No one said "Sonic's too kiddy for me" or anything. I think the kiddy thing began as an excuse for fanboys not to like N64 .... even though PSX was filled with "kiddy" games as well.

The kiddy thing will probably haunt Nintendo forever, no matter what the hell they do ... unless they do something worth mentioning.

[Blaksmoke]

Read Talon's first post, that's me.

[Oni_Link]

I think one of the big reasons ps2 leads the market is
1. Released earlier than other 2 consoles
2. Really really really really really hyped.

Now hype isnt a bad thing, and im not saying the system is bad, but it seemed like they were talking about the system everytime the news came on.

[Diesel]

Other than what has already been listed...backward compatibility is the reason it jumped ahead, way ahead of all other consoles...

[Kliq]

Yeah, Ps2 is talked about it a lot. If you listen to some lyrics of famous rappers, you'll hear "playin my playstation 2!" ... it gets a lot of hype from celebrites, news stations and average people.

[Talon]

That's because Sony owns major recording labels and movie studios. They can force their own product placement.

[Zelda Prime]

I'm gonna become a rapper a make a song entitled "Go Gamecube Go!"

Er, yeah.

[sagara0510]

Originally posted by Talon
Basically, the "kiddie" thing is something teenagers use to describe games that dont simulate something theyre not old enough to do yet in real life. Grow up, kid.

this pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly.
i reckon ppl who hate 'kiddie' games are still in fact, kids.
they aren't old enough to accept games for what they are and to acknowledge that there are more to games than just bang bang kill kill blood ketchup here and there. yet, they aren't young enough to fully enjoy what some 'kiddie' games have to offer.

im so glad i don't fall into that age group.

[Gen]

Man, I despise when people read my words wrong

LOOK TALON - just cause your 35 and I'm not doesn't make you the spokesperson for all people old who like "kiddie" games.

Look,
I'm not even saying kiddie is bad, I like mario, smash brothers, monkey ball .. etc

Yeah for a bit, its entertaining, its fun, its there .. but its not something I wont get bored of quickly, to me its not all that appealing, because in terms its meant for kids, and its entertaining playing with people, but i doubt i played any 2-4play "kiddie" game on the cube on my own.

I'm not bashing, I'm saying its not my style, Nintendo is plagued with the image, so why call me ignorant cause I see the image?

You people and "ignorant ur blind ur missin out on games ur this ur this" - cause i called it kiddie, oh well.. I probably played for games or the system then you have, and Resident Evil [1] .. got boring after playstation, I just played it around again for the graphic enhancement, .. I tend to like games like that, Like Tekken, GTA, like Eternal Darkness, those games keep me interested....

It's my style of gameplay, so go away with your "your ignorant" nonsense, cause I play most of the games that come out, and I tend to NOT like them because they are FOR KIDS and just DONT appeal to me, I try everything, your not a gamer if you dont have the value of giving everything a try, you might become surprised, like Monkey Ball, was like wtf? this seems gay, and I tried it, and it turned out creatively enjoyable, I'm not saying everything kiddie is wack, But most is, and it IS kiddie, because of the audience it's aimed at

Stop twisting my words trying to make it seem like i dont try things out and that i just pick up a game if it says "Teen" or "Mature"

blah

[=NukeBlaze=]

:::: The success of the PS1 is a main reason people lined up to buy there new shinny, new PS2. There was much hype to buy the system when it launched more than a year ago which carried over for many months getting attention of many people. In many ways it was like advertisement without Sony paying a dime to publicize it.

:::: There was 0 competition for the PS2 for and entire year! Its start in life was with 0 resistance from any other system. I hear those with the DreamCast calling fowl with my last statement..But DC did not have the public upheaval to swing people away from PS2. Nintendo 64 and DC were both in there golden years while PS2 was picking out their grave plots. To have en entire Holiday season to wallo in a business field all to yourself is a powerful tool in making whatever you own more popular, as well to grown exponentially in sales.

:::: Due to it's huge success and carry over from its PS1 years, PS2 had all the developers it needed. This fueled it's huge release of games in the follow year to put out any fire the two new system launches would cause. It has a larger variety and many more AAA titles than the other two when they first appeared to veer attention away. In many ways..It muffled any shout Microsoft and Nintendo used to get there system in the public eye as quickly as possible.

:::: The large variety of games appeal to a large number of people. This boomed the popularity with all generation of people which has carried over even now. When people see the variety and the diversity of the games on the system, they are usually compelled to get it over the other two less popular systems in the public's eye.

:::: The PS2 has DVD player built in which is an added bonus for those buying the system...Or those who need an extra push to make the purchase of the console. This was especially helpful since many people wanted a DVD player and had the prospect to own a new video game system at the same time. This small addition propelled the PS2's popularity and sales further than just a system alone would have. This would also lessen the impact when the Xbox followed in suite since it had been done before by Sony. This would also leave the Cube in the cold when it only offered the Gaming system.

:::: Another thing it was good decision making to give the public what they want. Nintendo has been notorious to do things their way without the approval of people and companies. Nintendo would still retain the #1 spot if it were not for it's mistake to keep it's long used cartridge format for N64. I can factually say that is decision has brought them down to where they are currently. I do not care weither you wish to believe this or not but, it is true. Companies Spat at the idea of limiting there ideas to a mere 20-60 megabyte of data. Top that off with the prospect of worse data compascity and higher costs than CDs..Many companies left to look to Sony. Square being a major factor of influence. Square influenced Enix [Makers of dragoon warrior and CO-creator of CronoTrigger] to leave Nintendo as well. Who know how many other companies they influenced to follow there steps to Sony. It is a possibility if the CD format was chosen on N64..We would have a Nintendo with FinalFantasies/Metal Gear Soilds/GTAs/ and Halos, on top of Nintendo usual brew. In the end Nintendo let themselves on a downward tumble and left someone else take their spot in only a few stubborn decisions.

In the finallie.. All system are good in one way or another..But it is up to the company to choose weither they wish to be first/second/or third. May they all provide the best multimedia experience they can produce and this continues indefinitely.


woo...My fingers are tired from typing. I am going to eat dinner now..May this be semi informative..If not an insomnia killer.

Veni Vedi Vici

[Kliq]

Just because a game is rated E doesn't mean its for kids, its for EVERYONE ... like the rating suggests.

[Gen]

Which is what you usually see on... Monkey Ball... Cel Damage... etc.. I'm talking most of the time not always

[adrian100]

Well here are my reasons why Sony is dominating.

1.Strong fan base and excellent repuatation.
2.Wider range of of games especially mature ones.
3.Well obviously for it's DVD playback.

[scizor666]

What Gen ... do you think that the X-Box and PS2 do not have many "E" ratings??? Honestly ... your whole argument doesn't make any sense. Just because a system may have an abundance of "E" titles, does not equal it to be a "Kiddie" console ... it really doesn't make any sense if it is persevied that way.

Honestly ... im kinda stumped on the argument that the GameCube is far too "childish." Where are all of these "kiddie" titles ... cause i sure as hell doen't see half as many as there are supposed to be ... what i see are many game that are rated by the ESRB to be allowed to be played by people of ALL ages .... young or old.

Also ... nearly all of these "Mature" tiltes on the X-box and PS2 are also on the GameCube as well or are coming onto the system in the near future.
(i.e. Hitman 2, Hunter, Enclave, etc...)

[Shmagoolski]

cause its "cool" to own

[Alienheat4]

There is one reason that it is not selling well. THe ignorance and stupidity of the American public. America thinks that if anything with a world like SUnshine is used is "gay." Now if Super Mario Sunshine was just simply renamed SUper Mario Sex, I can almost garuntee that people would be lining up to buy it without playing it. ANd this just renaming it. Also people think that purple is "gay" If the Gamecube was silver the whole time and it was named the Sexcube, I would bet my right foot that Nintendo would be number 1 in the world. People these days prefer picking up hookers and playing a terrible game than playing a good game that doesnt have hookers in it.

[Zelda Prime]

^ I agree with you (well, except for the super mario sex part)

[Bryan]

There are four main reasons why Sony dominates the market.

1. Time they Entered the Market

When Sony first entered the gaming market, they didn't have any competition. After a couple months, the N64 came, and it did ok, but Sony had the upperhand. With the time that they had to themselves, Sony had developed such a massive software library, and unparralelled third party developer support. Nintendo, being arrogant, seemed to assume that since they were Nintendo, the developers selling millions of games on the PSone would simply come to them. Why not? After all, who was the pioneer?

The PS2 also took advantage of this. When it was released, it's only competition was the Sega Dreamcast, and it wasn't much competition, sadly. Mostly because of Sega's pervious projects, like the Saturn.

2. Consumer Loyalty

Sony had been around for some time before entering the gaming market, and they had some consumers who had come to love and trust the Sony name. They have Sony phones, stereos, TVs, etc and thought that a nice, new PSone would be a great addition to their electronic collection, and they were right. The PSone was a major success, and that trend continues with the PS2, just because of namebrand loyalty, and the quality associated with Sony's products.

3. Games

Sony has the most games. Not only the most games, but they also control many of the kinds of games in the genres that people are interested in. Mature rated games, for example, take up only ~7% of the gaming market, but they are in a large demand, and account for many of the software sales annually. Does that mean that only Mature rated games should exist? No, absolutely not. I don't judge a game on it's ESRB rating, but I must say that GTA is a blast to play. GTA, MGS, all of those M-rated Sony franchises are great.

Say all you like about Mature games being "bad" or "evil". You can characterize inanimate objects all you like, but the fact of the matter is that Mature games sell.

4. Budget/Value

Sony's massive budget, while not as exhorbitant as Microsoft's, is large enough to get them pretty far in any electronics market. If you accompany their budget with namebrand loyalty, their incredible library of games, and the convenient times that they unleash their products, you have one badass gaming company.

Now, you can spend $150 on a GameCube, which is pretty good, but it doesn't have as much stuff as the PS2 does, mostly because it came around later. You can spend $200 on an Xbox that has slightly more stuff, but not as much still, or $200 on a PS2 with all of the games, features, developer support, and experience in electronics hardware markets.

I don't think that is everything in a console, but frankly, let's be realistic about the typical consumer for a minute.

[Shmagoolski]

casual gamers who only have GTA...
















its just a guess

[sagara0510]

good guess tho
i'd have to agree

today i went into my local EB to buy ED....while i was waiting in line to hand over my cash so i could take ED home and give it a spin in the GCN, the customer infront of me that was causing me to suffer the agonising wait (about 5 long mins i think) was in fact purchasing a PS2. so wats wrong with that u ask? nothing...nothing at all...but when u look at the kind of person that is buying it...he's not ur run of the mill gamer...he's not ur l337 g4m3 /\/\4573r....he's some buff looking gym workout type who wants to play NFL 2003 and Desert Storm....he knows jack about the console wars. he knows no specs. heck he probably doesn't even know release dates. and i'll bet he doesn't care. all he knows is that the Sony PS2 rocks and that it rocks hard. so how did he know that? and what does Nintendo have to do to attract those kind of 'casual' gamers?

Sony has got that type of gamer down pat. They've got the secret ingredient. the essential herbs and spices....ok thats abit overboard. Nintendo however is relying on their hardcore fans to buy their exclusive hardcore titles. that is probably the simplest difference between the 2. where does the xbox fit in? well...in my opinion the xbox is trying to be everything. abit of Sony and abit of Nintendo...in theory killer exclusive titles, and a broard range of titles shoud make the xbox a smash....so what went wrong? bill?

[Gen]

Originally posted by scizor666
What Gen ... do you think that the X-Box and PS2 do not have many "E" ratings??? Honestly ... your whole argument doesn't make any sense. Just because a system may have an abundance of "E" titles, does not equal it to be a "Kiddie" console ... it really doesn't make any sense if it is persevied that way.

Honestly ... im kinda stumped on the argument that the GameCube is far too "childish." Where are all of these "kiddie" titles ... cause i sure as hell doen't see half as many as there are supposed to be ... what i see are many game that are rated by the ESRB to be allowed to be played by people of ALL ages .... young or old.

Also ... nearly all of these "Mature" tiltes on the X-box and PS2 are also on the GameCube as well or are coming onto the system in the near future.
(i.e. Hitman 2, Hunter, Enclave, etc...)


DID I SAY THAT?? NO

Geez, I said that MOST of GameCube has those ratings... every system has it, obviously... you know what?

Nevermind..

I'm sick of this topic already

[Hisham]

Originally posted by sagara0510
this pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly.
i reckon ppl who hate 'kiddie' games are still in fact, kids.
they aren't old enough to accept games for what they are and to acknowledge that there are more to games than just bang bang kill kill blood ketchup here and there. yet, they aren't young enough to fully enjoy what some 'kiddie' games have to offer.

im so glad i don't fall into that age group.

I'm 14 years old and i do fall into that group but i'm smart enough to see that it takes good gameplay to make a good game.

Most my friends have a ps2 just because of all the cool games. they don't car about gameplay. But they don't know jack because they all think i'm a kid for having games like Super mario sunshine. Even though i know people who like that game there too afraid to speak of it at school because of it's "kiddie" image.

Now this shows peer pressure has alot to do with it to.

[JoeM]

Here is food for thought on the "kiddie" subject.

Which system will be getting BMX XXX uncensored?

NOT PS2

Gamecube will!

[ResidentZelda522]

Three words, Grand Theft Auto

[sagara0510]

Originally posted by ResidentZelda522
Three words, Grand Theft Auto

2 letters, P C

[born2play]

I think PS2 sells because because it has an image of it being the best system out there, even if it isn't. It also has a lot to do with hype. Whenever I go to the mall I always see tons of PS2 ads, there everywhere (although, recently I've been seeing more Nintendo ads).I don't even think the people who buy PS2 know or care about the other systems, they get it because everyone else has it, and for GTA 3 and Vice City (which are good but too violent). There are a lot of ways to make a game good with less violence, but Sony uses the violence to sell.

[Cheat_Master]

I talked to some people who have only bought ps2 for the dvd player. Kinda sad dont you think? And the dvd is crap quality.

[sagara0510]

OMG. anyone who bought the ps2 for the dvd player...has serious problems. lol

[Cheat_Master]

Originally posted by born2play
I think PS2 sells because because it has an image of it being the best system out there, even if it isn't. It also has a lot to do with hype. Whenever I go to the mall I always see tons of PS2 ads, there everywhere (although, recently I've been seeing more Nintendo ads).I don't even think the people who buy PS2 know or care about the other systems, they get it because everyone else has it, and for GTA 3 and Vice City (which are good but too violent). There are a lot of ways to make a game good with less violence, but Sony uses the violence to sell.

I dont think violence is the reason everyone buys this game. Its easy to pick up and just play carelessly. You dont have to do missions or anything so its easy for people who dont play games much to just pick up and play. Violence doesnt make a game good..

[Bryan]

That is true, the violence isn't what makes Grand Theft Auto such a successful franchise.

Imagine a game in which you can do almost anything. Now think about Vice City.

Now do you see why this is such a great game?

It isn't just the fact that you can kill anyone at anytime with almost anything, it's the open-ended gameplay that makes GTA so popular.