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Mach
06-16-2005, 09:24 AM
By yours truly


http://nintendonow.com/index.php?categoryid=6&m_articles_articleid=2755

HylianKWG
06-16-2005, 09:36 AM
That was an excellent editorial! Maybe someone should send it to IGN to let them know how people feel about this.

Mach
06-16-2005, 09:52 AM
No, Matt will see it. Just watch. Last time NintendoNow exposed some stuff on EGM there was a response from their EIC within hours.

Vishus
06-16-2005, 02:47 PM
Mach that was awesome. I just wish you emphasized more on the fact that we are getting music players, puttting pictures on your hd, playing movies, d/l movies, etc instead of getting something new for gaming. Also pointing out again that these things are not gaming. I see it more clearly. With PS3 we're getting something new that can change movie watching in a way but not gaming.

Mach
06-16-2005, 04:23 PM
The Matt IGNfanboys at IGN's boards were mixed on the reaction. Most of the paying subscribers are of course going to simply blindly attack me for attacking Matt. But like always none of them can actually counter any of the arguments I raised. However, a lot of their members agreed but it looks like Matt had the thread closed.

See he can dish his bullshit out but he cant take it. He needs to step up to the plate if he wants to act like a jerk.

HereticPB
06-16-2005, 08:34 PM
They lock all kinds of topics if its against Matt or IGN.

Zeep
06-16-2005, 08:45 PM
That's because IGN are BAD PEOPLE! Just take a look at these non-fake quotes!

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"Matt Cassamassina killed my husband and then proceeded to rape me 3 times!"
--Some Gay Guy

"One time, I was eating a lollipop, and Matt Cassamassina took it! I tried to kick him in the shins, but then the picked me up and put me in a dumpster!"
--Little Billy

"Matt Cassamassina is my best friend!"
--Osama Bin Laden
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downtime19
06-16-2005, 08:53 PM
good intelligent response Mach. Point and case, bitches.

Eidorian
06-16-2005, 09:04 PM
Someone help me help them...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=132570

I linked back to the NNow article but no one seemed to read it...

Nexus
06-16-2005, 11:54 PM
Some great points thier Mach. Thoose comments by Matt were very harsh and unfair.
That's because IGN are BAD PEOPLE! Just take a look at these non-fake quotes!

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"Matt Cassamassina killed my husband and then proceeded to rape me 3 times!"
--Some Gay Guy

"One time, I was eating a lollipop, and Matt Cassamassina took it! I tried to kick him in the shins, but then the picked me up and put me in a dumpster!"
--Little Billy

"Matt Cassamassina is my best friend!"
--Osama Bin Laden
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:laugh: LMAO

neo999955
06-17-2005, 12:10 AM
This article, your response to Matt’s recent criticisms of Nintendo, is ridiculous and largely unfounded. Firstly, the IGN hatred around here is ridiculous. IGN is the number one online source of gaming media, information, reviews, cheats, walkthroughs, etc.. Businesses do not just become the best of the best in their respective fields by being bad at what they do. IGN is the least biased website I have ever seen, and it receives the largest number of attacks about being biased (from Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft fans) and showcasing unprofessional journalism. This brings us to your article, which is unprofessional and very hypocritical.

In your article you attack Matt’s recent attitude toward Nintendo’s decision to no include HD in the Revolution. If this article has been about the faults or positives of Nintendo making this choice, I could understand 9in fact you can click this link (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=31773) to see that debate happening now), but instead you attack Matt alone for shady journalism. You first point out Matt’s “disrespectful” rant against Nintendo in the June 13th mailbag. Which can be found [URL=http://cube.ign.com/mail/2005-06-13.html]here{/URL} by the way. Nintendo dismisses new, important technologies. Is this not true? Look at the start of this generation, GameCube did not support DVD, and neither did Dreamcast. Fans of both systems said “oh, that doesn’t matter, who needs a cheap DVD player anyway?” Well, apparently a lot of people did since the Dreamcast plummeted and GameCube is in a distant last place, with fewer than five new titles being released monthly, and sometimes zero titles released for the platform in a whole month. There are many reasons for this, but a large one is most certainly the dismissal of new technology, which at the time was DVD, which was on the way to replace VHS, much like HD is on the way replace SD now.

Matt’s pointing out a repeat of history here, Nintendo did the same thing with Nintendo 64 when CDs were the new thing, and look at what happened there. Nintendo has become a company who doesn’t seem to want to embrace the future until it’s here (Rev will support online and DVDs, although those were the two new things that helped drive PS2 sales with DVD, and X-Box sales with its Live service). Nintendo downplays new, upcoming technology that is sure to be the future (CDs, DVD, online, and now HD) to save a penny or two, and what happens? Nintendo falls into last place. It also deprives people who do buy Nintendo’s system of something they can get on the other platforms. It has really hurt Nintendo this generation with their lack of online, which has sold X-Box through the roof, especially when coupled with really solid online titles like Halo 2 and Splinter Cell. Nintendo clearly has many titles just dying to be online and could have stolen a lot of thunder had they implemented online into the GameCube, but they didn’t and the GameCube, as well as the people who bought the system, is suffering because of it.

Sony and Microsoft don’t innovate? I think Microsoft has done a lot and will do a lot more when it comes to online with their Live system, and had that been on GameCube they would’ve been praised for their online innovation. The PS2 also has the Eye toy which is certainly innovative, and some very innovative games including the GTA series, Katamari Damacy (which is utterly brilliant), and Ico which rivals the Legend of Zelda in many ways. Software can innovate just as much, if not more than hardware, and Nintendo seems to have forgotten that, because if you think the PS3 and X-Box 360 won’t be able to deliver innovative games like Revolution, you’re certainly wrong. The Nintendo DS is great, and a touch screen helps create some interesting games that would be harder to play on a different system. But if you want to tell me that Kirby and Pac Man are better and more innovative than a game like Katamari Damacy because they have the “innovative” touch screen, you’ve lost your mind.

Matt has a lot right in Nintendo’s “madness,” I mean does it make an logical sense for a company who has lost millions of dollars, customers, and image value in the past for ignoring upcoming technology to do it again. Not to mention implementing HD will not cost the company much, since the four-year old X-Box supports HD. When I think of how Nintendo is going on with business I find their strategies to be a little mad. They say they want to grab thousands more non-gamers, while they’re losing millions of current gamers? Where does that make sense? Hopefully Nintendo just wanted to stir up a reaction and see whether or not to put HD in, and I think they will change their minds when all is said and done. A lot of that can be contributed to Matt who made sure people were aware of Nintendo’s ludicrous decision to not include HD and give them the means to tell Nintendo their opinions on the subject. Matt isn’t just a journalist, he’s a gamer, and a Nintendo gamer at heart – so to accuse him of being a bad journalist because he expressed his opinions on his dearest game maker is bad journalism and hypocritical.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 01:31 AM
Lemme guess.. you're Matt, right?

Dwhitten
06-17-2005, 01:36 AM
This article, your response to Matt’s recent criticisms of Nintendo, is ridiculous and largely unfounded. Firstly, the IGN hatred around here is ridiculous. IGN is the number one online source of gaming media, information, reviews, cheats, walkthroughs, etc.. Businesses do not just become the best of the best in their respective fields by being bad at what they do. IGN is the least biased website I have ever seen, and it receives the largest number of attacks about being biased (from Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft fans) and showcasing unprofessional journalism. This brings us to your article, which is unprofessional and very hypocritical.

In your article you attack Matt’s recent attitude toward Nintendo’s decision to no include HD in the Revolution. If this article has been about the faults or positives of Nintendo making this choice, I could understand 9in fact you can click this link (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=31773) to see that debate happening now), but instead you attack Matt alone for shady journalism. You first point out Matt’s “disrespectful” rant against Nintendo in the June 13th mailbag. Which can be found [URL=http://cube.ign.com/mail/2005-06-13.html]here{/URL} by the way. Nintendo dismisses new, important technologies. Is this not true? Look at the start of this generation, GameCube did not support DVD, and neither did Dreamcast. Fans of both systems said “oh, that doesn’t matter, who needs a cheap DVD player anyway?” Well, apparently a lot of people did since the Dreamcast plummeted and GameCube is in a distant last place, with fewer than five new titles being released monthly, and sometimes zero titles released for the platform in a whole month. There are many reasons for this, but a large one is most certainly the dismissal of new technology, which at the time was DVD, which was on the way to replace VHS, much like HD is on the way replace SD now.

Matt’s pointing out a repeat of history here, Nintendo did the same thing with Nintendo 64 when CDs were the new thing, and look at what happened there. Nintendo has become a company who doesn’t seem to want to embrace the future until it’s here (Rev will support online and DVDs, although those were the two new things that helped drive PS2 sales with DVD, and X-Box sales with its Live service). Nintendo downplays new, upcoming technology that is sure to be the future (CDs, DVD, online, and now HD) to save a penny or two, and what happens? Nintendo falls into last place. It also deprives people who do buy Nintendo’s system of something they can get on the other platforms. It has really hurt Nintendo this generation with their lack of online, which has sold X-Box through the roof, especially when coupled with really solid online titles like Halo 2 and Splinter Cell. Nintendo clearly has many titles just dying to be online and could have stolen a lot of thunder had they implemented online into the GameCube, but they didn’t and the GameCube, as well as the people who bought the system, is suffering because of it.

Sony and Microsoft don’t innovate? I think Microsoft has done a lot and will do a lot more when it comes to online with their Live system, and had that been on GameCube they would’ve been praised for their online innovation. The PS2 also has the Eye toy which is certainly innovative, and some very innovative games including the GTA series, Katamari Damacy (which is utterly brilliant), and Ico which rivals the Legend of Zelda in many ways. Software can innovate just as much, if not more than hardware, and Nintendo seems to have forgotten that, because if you think the PS3 and X-Box 360 won’t be able to deliver innovative games like Revolution, you’re certainly wrong. The Nintendo DS is great, and a touch screen helps create some interesting games that would be harder to play on a different system. But if you want to tell me that Kirby and Pac Man are better and more innovative than a game like Katamari Damacy because they have the “innovative” touch screen, you’ve lost your mind.

Matt has a lot right in Nintendo’s “madness,” I mean does it make an logical sense for a company who has lost millions of dollars, customers, and image value in the past for ignoring upcoming technology to do it again. Not to mention implementing HD will not cost the company much, since the four-year old X-Box supports HD. When I think of how Nintendo is going on with business I find their strategies to be a little mad. They say they want to grab thousands more non-gamers, while they’re losing millions of current gamers? Where does that make sense? Hopefully Nintendo just wanted to stir up a reaction and see whether or not to put HD in, and I think they will change their minds when all is said and done. A lot of that can be contributed to Matt who made sure people were aware of Nintendo’s ludicrous decision to not include HD and give them the means to tell Nintendo their opinions on the subject. Matt isn’t just a journalist, he’s a gamer, and a Nintendo gamer at heart – so to accuse him of being a bad journalist because he expressed his opinions on his dearest game maker is bad journalism and hypocritical. I completely agree with you.


I think it was ridiculous to write up an article to "check" Matt. He is entitled to his opinion as a journalist. I don't support that article you wrote, Mach.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 01:42 AM
Unless you express an opinion contrary to his own. (Matt's, that is).

LP
06-17-2005, 01:56 AM
People have to lay off Matt and realize what he is saying is the absoulute truth. Look, I'm a harcore Nintendo fan, been a fan ever since the NES was released. For me if the Revoultion isnt HD compatible is not going to keep me from buying the system or the games. The problem isnt the hardcore Nintendo fans. Its the casual players that think that if the Revolution doesnt have HD its not going to be able to compete. This happened with the N64, in which they used carts instead of CDs. They missed the boat and it cost them the #1 position. Of course to me it didnt matter because i love Nintendo and would buy the games regardless. The problem was that everybody else thought the PS1 was better because it used CDs. I for one want innovation, its critical for the industry but if Nintendo wants to be back on top they need to compete with Sony and MIcrosoft. Period. Once people can see the hardware is equal Nintendo can add whatever features they want. I cant wait to see the Rev controller, i hope its the best thing ever. But Nintendo needs to show the casual gamer that they are on the same level as Sony and Microsoft. Do you know what Iam tired of? Iam tired of hearing all of this developers say they like Nintendo and then dont make games for the system. Something is wrong and things need to change. I hope things are diffrent next time. For everybodys sake.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 02:04 AM
LP, see my response in the comments section, under the article in the main page.

Gilly
06-17-2005, 02:08 AM
This reminds me of my term paper.
I wrote about censorship, and what I talked about the whole time wasn't which side was right, but that both sides get to express their opinion, and that people need to get the chance to do that.

I agree with Mach here, and I do think that IGN shows a little bit of bias towards Nintendo, but Matt deserves to say what he's saying, even if I don't wanna hear it.

I could care less if Revolution supported HD. I have an HDTV, and I've never even played any of my games in HD. It really doesn't matter to me.

LP
06-17-2005, 02:14 AM
Hey Bowser i saw your response and like I said to me it does not matter if the Rev can display HD or not. Iam going to buy it. But to the casual fan, this will be a deciding factor unfortuntely. Know i will ask you, what was the diffrence between carts and cds??? For some people it was the beautiful FMVs they saw on the PS1, more space to store the cutscenes. For me it did not matter a bit, i thought the N64 had the better games. Does Matt have to say something good? Hes been with site forever. It obvious he loves Nintendo. He is just pointing out the obvious. Criticism can be good, just because he doesnt praise Nintendo left and right doesnt mean hes not a fan.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 02:15 AM
Towards, or against? I think Matt should try practicing a little free speech of his own, before anyone suggests that he has a right to say anything of his own.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 02:28 AM
Hey Bowser i saw your response and like I said to me it does not matter if the Rev can display HD or not. Iam going to buy it. But to the casual fan, this will be a deciding factor unfortuntely. Know i will ask you, what was the diffrence between carts and cds??? For some people it was the beautiful FMVs they saw on the PS1, more space to store the cutscenes. For me it did not matter a bit, i thought the N64 had the better games. Does Matt have to say something good? Hes been with site forever. It obvious he loves Nintendo. He is just pointing out the obvious. Criticism can be good, just because he doesnt praise Nintendo left and right doesnt mean hes not a fan.

Except that he does it all the time. (Apparently, reviews count as praise, in his opinion). Matt doesn't just criticize Nintendo, he goes out of his way to do so! At any rate, it wouldn't really hurt him to give a more balanced viewpoint, because the website is only a reflection of one viewpoint: his. Fair criticism is one thing but for him to keep constantly picking on small things is just piling on.


Anyway, I really don't see how HD is going to much of a factor. Look at the DS/PSP factor for instance. The PSP has a music player, a large screen, and a UMD movie player, while the DS has two screens, one of them being a touch screen, a stylus for analog control, and Pictochat. Which one won out?


My point is that the next generation will not be decided by polygons or pixels, it will be the number of fun ideas that each developer can come up with. Whoever comes up with the best, most exciting, creative ideas will most likely win this generation. Nintendo believes that simplicity of gameplay will draw people into buying games, and I must agree. Do you remember the reaction that the DS got, when it was first introduced? That's what they're aiming for. Its going to be the most compelling ideas that draw people in. Most average people aren't interested in difficult to master controls, they are interested in cool ideas. If people can buy a pet rock, just imagine what they'll do with something more useful.

Zeep
06-17-2005, 02:42 AM
how could HD possibly be the deciding factor when less than 15% of people use it, and probably less than 50% of the population even understands what it is?

Alpha Rioja
06-17-2005, 02:44 AM
Just like you say Matt has every right to post what he wants Mach has every right to post what HE wants. And here you are bitching about the same thing you'r complainging Mach's attacking. What a bunch of noobs you sound like.

I will totally disagree with one thing you said in your third post Mach. You said you were attacking Matt. That's bullshit. It's not an attack it's bringing up some very valid points and stating your opinion on them. Matt, however, IS attacking Nintendo in his article.

To understand Nintendo's business model is to know madness.

That's bullshit and any intelligent person Nintendo fan or not should know it. That's just one of the many points Mach brings up and counters. This isn't an attack this is bringing forth some obvious flaws in the journaling system Matt carries with him. When you write for the public you need to be objective. Bringing up a bunch of bullshit in the effort to try to change a company's mind just because your name is well known is not journalism. It's an attack plain and simple.

Someone needs to bring it into the air and I'm glad Mach does it and NintendoNow continues to uphold that tradition.

LP
06-17-2005, 02:44 AM
Bowser i do hope that the next generation is won by the company that has the best ideas, im all for it. Im hoping that the Revolution is the best console out there. Im also hoping that the HD factor doesnt influence gamers purchasing decisions.

Indeed the DS is very innovating, its a great system. (By the way Kirby Canvus Curse is a great game) Sony got it wrong when it came to the PSP. Handheld gaming is diffrent than console gaming. The lure of the gameboy and the ds, is the fact that you play the game for a few minutes and put it away. Battery life is another factor that comes into play. Nintendo has an irongrip when to comes to the handheld market, i just want the same for the console market as well.

Lynk Former
06-17-2005, 02:51 AM
Matt seems like a frustrated fan who in normal circumstances would've jumped ship to Sony, but since his job is to work at the Nintendo sections of IGN he feels that he's being torn in two. And there are many times where you can tell that he'd rather be somewhere else then support a company which obviously doesn't agree with him in terms of their decisions, yada yada yada...

He shows his frustration very openly and in turn that can spark other peoples frustrations, what he could've done is take the opportunity to ask Nintendo (since he is part of the media in some way) why exactly they have made this decision and if it is possible to give developers the ability to choose whether their games will run in HD or not or something like that. But he didn't do that, he blasted Nintendo and raised the flag to get a bunch of whiney internet teens to send more emails to blast Nintendo. What he has done is blown something totally out of proportion, he's making it look like it's the end of the world, Nintendo will suddenly collapse into itself and form a black hole that will consume the Earth if they don't follow suit with compulsory HD support like Sony and Microsoft are going for.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 03:33 AM
See my comments on this on the main page. I think Matt's own attitude can be best summed up in an old mailbag response: "I'm not a soldier in your system wars". His loyalty seems to go out to the highest bidder, or the one who gives him the most goodies he's looking for.

Dwhitten
06-17-2005, 03:46 AM
Except that he does it all the time. (Apparently, reviews count as praise, in his opinion). Matt doesn't just criticize Nintendo, he goes out of his way to do so! At any rate, it wouldn't really hurt him to give a more balanced viewpoint, because the website is only a reflection of one viewpoint: his. Fair criticism is one thing but for him to keep constantly picking on small things is just piling on. I have kept track of Matt and his "criticism" and it's only truthful points. He praises Nintendo when they make right choices and he's fair and balanced.


I think it's pretty sad every forum section of virtually EVERY Nintendo related gaming boards has negative threads from fans. I thought to myself "well something isn't right when I go to Xbox and Playstation forums and they are very much optimistic of the future with threads".

Nintendo fans(myself included) spend more time defending their company than praising the success of it's gaming console.

Mach
06-17-2005, 03:47 AM
I have nothing to say to angry X360 or PS3 fanboys that have bought into the media's bashing of Nintendo. I also have no time for people who blindly follow Matt's statements even when he acts like a child punching corporate symbols and cutting down Nintendo. Children dont get journalism and I dont expect them to at this point.


As for D, thanks for your 125th negative NNow/E-mpire comment. If you honestly think punching corporate symbols, calling companies names, and making fun of producers is fair/balanced then you're obviously not familiar with the professional world of journalism.

Dwhitten
06-17-2005, 03:50 AM
As for D, thanks for your 125th negative NNow/E-mpire comment. I can't have an opinion? You can cast judgement on Matt's article but I can't do it to you?

Look David I have absolutely no beef with you as a person or member. You're a cool guy and all i'm doing is having free speech and different opinion.


My 125th negative nnow/e-mpire comment? Don't make a difference of opinion get personal. We are a little too old to have hurt feelings over one opinion, David.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 04:05 AM
Fair and Balanced? Matt Cassamassina? Oh ho! Don't make me laugh. I read his pages for four years, and only twice did he make anything praiseworthy. One was at last year's E3. The rest of the time, he'll lie low until a certain point, and then he come out and let Nintendo have it. If Matt can't find to criticize Nintendo, he'll make one. If the console is white, Matt will argue that it should have been black. If Reggie wears Converse, Matt'll argue that he should have worn Nike. That's not news, that's propaganda. Matt is a contrarian, pure and simple.



Do you honestly think he would get away with it if he criticised Sony? No way. That's why he's at the Nintendo side, because only he can get away with these sorts of things. If you want to argue that Mach is not allowing people to have their point of view, fine, just be sure to remember to tell Matt that, the next time he uses the IGN mailbag as a soapbox for his propaganda.

Mach
06-17-2005, 04:40 AM
I can't have an opinion? You can cast judgement on Matt's article but I can't do it to you?

Look David I have absolutely no beef with you as a person or member. You're a cool guy and all i'm doing is having free speech and different opinion.


My 125th negative nnow/e-mpire comment? Don't make a difference of opinion get personal. We are a little too old to have hurt feelings over one opinion, David.
If I recall I thanked your latest negative comment. Didnt sound like I said you couldnt have an opinion.

Im just calling it as the facts show it.


An honestly if you really think a professionally laid out and appropriate rebuttal on NNow is unprofessional but a bunch of immature rants and name calling from IGN is fair and balanced then something's just wrong. But again we can all have opinions hence why I wrote the article.

Dwhitten
06-17-2005, 04:54 AM
If I recall I thanked your latest negative comment. Didnt sound like I said you couldnt have an opinion.

Im just calling it as the facts show it.


An honestly if you really think a professionally laid out and appropriate rebuttal on NNow is unprofessional but a bunch of immature rants and name calling from IGN is fair and balanced then something's just wrong. But again we can all have opinions hence why I wrote the article. Well I do think it's good for people like you David to write your articles and Matt to write his. This is the land of freedom bro and I do make positive comments towards Nintendo as much as possible while always purchasing their products.

All i'm saying is David i'm not meaning to just downgrade your work because I did enjoy reading your work.

PornSharK
06-17-2005, 05:03 AM
While I have really nothing against Matt for airing his side, I think he got over-reacting, that probably turned some people off. It's like "we get your point, now shut up!" kind of thing. Now, as not to be like Matt... I wont over react to his over reacting. I just hope what he's doing is the right thing and will do him good, and not have him say "me and my big mouth"

neo999955
06-17-2005, 05:35 AM
I have nothing to say to angry X360 or PS3 fanboys that have bought into the media's bashing of Nintendo. I also have no time for people who blindly follow Matt's statements even when he acts like a child punching corporate symbols and cutting down Nintendo. Children dont get journalism and I dont expect them to at this point.


Are you joking? Are you honestly attacking Matt because he posted a humorous picture of himself punching Mario? Do you honestly believe Nintendo is so undeniably perfect and just while Matt is so unforgivably evil that you are going to cite that very non-serious picture as Nintendo-hatred? Ha! While Dwhitten is taking a course on journalism perhaps you should take a course on wit and sense-of-humor.

Nintendo has made many mistakes in the past (and who hasn't), and they are making another one now, it's good that people like Matt are expressing their dislike for such decisions as not implementing HD to cut corners, because it just might change Nintendo's mind and help both Nintendo and the consumer.

Mirai
06-17-2005, 05:38 AM
Matt should have kept his professionalism about him.

Unfortunately, Mach lowered his professionalism to counter Matt's. This is hippocritical, but honestly, what else but a hippocracy in this situation would be appropriate here?

Lynk Former
06-17-2005, 05:39 AM
Do you honestly think that not having HD is the end of the world? Newsflash, this is the first time ANYONE has ever worried about HD, why? Cause people with commonsense don't think it's the end of the world if a company doesn't support it at this point in time.

Now if Nintendo went back to carts, hyped up their development costs, etc, then Matt and everyone else would have the right to bitch, but what is going on now is rediculous.

Mach
06-17-2005, 05:54 AM
Are you joking? Are you honestly attacking Matt because he posted a humorous picture of himself punching Mario? Do you honestly believe Nintendo is so undeniably perfect and just while Matt is so unforgivably evil that you are going to cite that very non-serious picture as Nintendo-hatred? Ha! While Dwhitten is taking a course on journalism perhaps you should take a course on wit and sense-of-humor.

Nintendo has made many mistakes in the past (and who hasn't), and they are making another one now, it's good that people like Matt are expressing their dislike for such decisions as not implementing HD to cut corners, because it just might change Nintendo's mind and help both Nintendo and the consumer.
If you even understood my article you'd see that my article wasnt about the decision to not support HD. I clearly didnt even give my own opinion on if it was a good decision or not. I told you to wait for another article for that.

As for your comment that a professional game journalist punching Mario is witty...well I think that speaks volumes for your grasp on the situation.


You need to look at the conclusion of my rebuttal where I discuss the root of why I countered his immature garbage. He can complain about lack of HD support all he wants, That clearly wasnt what I was talking about. I was talking about the way he carries himself in such an unprofessional negative manner that you dont see at the other IGN channels. When there's no balance there's a slant.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 06:09 AM
Are you joking? Are you honestly attacking Matt because he posted a humorous picture of himself punching Mario? Do you honestly believe Nintendo is so undeniably perfect and just while Matt is so unforgivably evil that you are going to cite that very non-serious picture as Nintendo-hatred? Ha! While Dwhitten is taking a course on journalism perhaps you should take a course on wit and sense-of-humor.

Nintendo has made many mistakes in the past (and who hasn't), and they are making another one now, it's good that people like Matt are expressing their dislike for such decisions as not implementing HD to cut corners, because it just might change Nintendo's mind and help both Nintendo and the consumer.

Yeah, and if they showed a picture of Matt punching his mother, that would be real hilarious, now wouldn't it?

Mach
06-17-2005, 06:34 AM
Matt should have kept his professionalism about him.

Unfortunately, Mach lowered his professionalism to counter Matt's. This is hippocritical, but honestly, what else but a hippocracy in this situation would be appropriate here?
Rebutting a ridiculous act in journalism is not lowering your standards Mirai. If that was so we wouldn't have Bill O'Reilly's LA Times rebuttals clocking in 6 million viewers every night on Fox News Channel.

Alpha Rioja
06-17-2005, 06:36 AM
One fellow in the gamespot forums brought up a rather valid point. Outside of the US how many people do you think own an HD tv? I would venture to say less than half of the numebr than are IN the US... and yet people still say it's one of the most important things to go into a console since toilet paper went into the outhouse. Come on people. ...

Zeep
06-17-2005, 06:39 AM
*leans back and grabs popcorn*

Dwhitten
06-17-2005, 06:45 AM
One fellow in the gamespot forums brought up a rather valid point. Outside of the US how many people do you think own an HD tv? I would venture to say less than half of the numebr than are IN the US... and yet people still say it's one of the most important things to go into a console since toilet paper went into the outhouse. Come on people. ... To answer your question the three major gaming market share for gaming comes from Japan, North America and Europe. All three of these countries(especially Japan) are setting the trend for HDTV's.

PornSharK
06-17-2005, 06:45 AM
popcorn aye? am I in GFY? :D

Dwhitten
06-17-2005, 06:46 AM
Stay on topic, PornShark.

Alpha Rioja
06-17-2005, 06:55 AM
I heard a lot of speculation in your post... Setting a trend and actually having people follow that trend are two totally different things...

PornSharK
06-17-2005, 06:55 AM
LOL.... touchy, why dont you say that to the other guy as well?

And by the way, Japan's HDTV trend-setting influence on Asia would still go a long way. Why? From where I live in, with most of our appliances either locally manufactured or imported from Japan, retailers here are having a hard time selling HDTV's, and no matter how retailers promote it, not too many seem to bite for it. The same goes to China and other neighboring Asian countries. That's why I can say Matt and other tech goths are over-reacting on the issue, though I do understand why he has to rant like that its just that it's too "over". I seem to get that this is one of what Mach's article points out.

Sheesh you kids need to lighten up for a little while, peace!

Dwhitten
06-17-2005, 07:03 AM
I heard a lot of speculation in your post... Setting a trend and actually having people follow that trend are two totally different things... My post had something to do with the subject.


LOL.... touchy, why dont you say that to the other guy as well? It applied to everyone. Sorry if I pointed it towards you bro. :)

kadr
06-17-2005, 07:04 AM
Off topic:

Cassamassina's mailbag might not be good for much, but check THESE out! From the June 16 mailbag, some guy sent them in. I love the last one!

PornSharK
06-17-2005, 07:07 AM
I dont see Matt becoming the IGN editor for the Rev anytime soon. Shiggy Wonka is hella funny though

Dwhitten
06-17-2005, 07:12 AM
Those were pretty funny. :D

Deno22
06-17-2005, 07:35 AM
i think what we really need to understand here is that Nintendo doesn't care. They want to be the drivers and creators in the industry and if that takes years and years of being last thats alright with them. Everytime a company steals an idea from them as much as they say they hate it i bet that they are so proud of themselves for developing something new. Im glad Nintendo is doing something innovative so MS and Sony don't totally blow with the same shit year after year. Let Matt rant about nothing but he shouldn't rant because Nintendo is making a profit while being innovative and creative which is their goal. As far as im concerned Nintendo shouldn't even be compared to Sony or MS and what they decide to do anymore. I never hear anyone saying "I can't believe that Sony isn't developing a new controller", all we hear is "I can't believe Nintendo isn't being like Sony and going HD". We only complain about Nintendo and them not using the technology we already know instead of the technology they are using which we don't know of.

Vishus
06-17-2005, 02:42 PM
The thing with Matt is that he has power because IGN is big. I just don't like how a lot of people are really going to base their decision on an oppinion. Its the mainstream duh! I admit that everytime I hear an oppinion that I might move to that side or argue against it, but then again I'm not stupid enough to think its fact. I agree with Mach's article but I somewhat still want HD in there. Its not because I want it its because of the mainstream. Nintendo isn't digging their own hole themselves. You have people such as EB feeding BS to the mainstream causing them to make that hole deeper.

MicVlaD
06-17-2005, 08:14 PM
IGN is the number one online source of gaming media, information, reviews, cheats, walkthroughs, etc..
I agree here with most parts, except for walkthroughs (GameFAQs) and reviews. The latter because there are plenty of sites who write better reviews than IGN, not to mention that their scores are often absurd (hype + several years in development = 9 or more). Also, one can question how some of their reviews have been approved by higher authorities, like their VJ PS2 review and Serious Sam Xbox review (horrible this one).

Businesses do not just become the best of the best in their respective fields by being bad at what they do.
History has proven time and time again that there are exceptions.

Nintendo dismisses new, important technologies. Is this not true? Look at the start of this generation, GameCube did not support DVD, and neither did Dreamcast. Fans of both systems said “oh, that doesn’t matter, who needs a cheap DVD player anyway?” Well, apparently a lot of people did since the Dreamcast plummeted and GameCube is in a distant last place, with fewer than five new titles being released monthly, and sometimes zero titles released for the platform in a whole month.
Pish posh: the Dreamcast did not fail because of the lack of a DVD-playing ability. The device did not recieve proper marketing at all. Also, the sales of the GC did not plummet because of the same reason, but rather 'cause of the mainstreamers mentality (they "knew" it was going to be a machine for kids before it was even released) and because it lacked online support. Not to mention that the PS2's success didn't revolve around its DVD-functionality (though it was a plus for some) and its, ultimately, lackluster online support: it was all because of the brand's popularity and Sony's agressive commercial campaigns.

Nintendo has become a company who doesn’t seem to want to embrace the future until it’s here (Rev will support online and DVDs, although those were the two new things that helped drive PS2 sales with DVD, and X-Box sales with its Live service). Nintendo downplays new, upcoming technology that is sure to be the future (CDs, DVD, online, and now HD) to save a penny or two, and what happens? Nintendo falls into last place.
HD TV being as important as CDs, DVDs and online support? Hell no. In a couple of years, yes, but by the time the XBox 360, PS3 and Revolution are launched? Once again: hell no.

Sony and Microsoft don’t innovate? I think Microsoft has done a lot and will do a lot more when it comes to online with their Live system, and had that been on GameCube they would’ve been praised for their online innovation. The PS2 also has the Eye toy which is certainly innovative, and some very innovative games including the GTA series, Katamari Damacy (which is utterly brilliant), and Ico which rivals the Legend of Zelda in many ways. Software can innovate just as much, if not more than hardware, and Nintendo seems to have forgotten that, because if you think the PS3 and X-Box 360 won’t be able to deliver innovative games like Revolution, you’re certainly wrong.
I agree that Microsoft does innovate at times, but there are barely any examples coming from Sony. ICO is an excellent example, but the Eye Toy is imo not that important a device. Sure, people adored the camera, but not shortly afterwards they got tired of it, not to mention that it has lost its appeal after the first batch of games. I don't think this is going to change much with the PS3, especially since Sony officially stated that it's a super computer instead of a console. The Xbox 360 on the other hand has much more potential.

When I think of how Nintendo is going on with business I find their strategies to be a little mad. They say they want to grab thousands more non-gamers, while they’re losing millions of current gamers? Where does that make sense? Hopefully Nintendo just wanted to stir up a reaction and see whether or not to put HD in, and I think they will change their minds when all is said and done. A lot of that can be contributed to Matt who made sure people were aware of Nintendo’s ludicrous decision to not include HD and give them the means to tell Nintendo their opinions on the subject.
You are exaggerating (sp?) about this whole HD decision. Ludicrous and madness? If HD was, at this point, the new DVD of the industry, then I would've agreed, but this isn't the case. Also, it is a fact that Nintendo has lost plenty of customers, but I wouldn't go as far and say they lost millions. Not to mention that this isn't because of the hardware, but mainly because of the image that narrow-minded folk have about this company, especially the youth. Anything with bright colors and happiness -> automatically kiddy.

The problem isnt the hardcore Nintendo fans. Its the casual players that think that if the Revolution doesnt have HD its not going to be able to compete. This happened with the N64, in which they used carts instead of CDs. They missed the boat and it cost them the #1 position. Of course to me it didnt matter because i love Nintendo and would buy the games regardless. The problem was that everybody else thought the PS1 was better because it used CDs.
Another comparisson with CDs. Like I said before: HD is nowhere near as important now as the CD was back in its time. And I also doubt that most casual gamers even know what HD actually means. Hell, I've been playing games and following the industry for years now and I don't even know what HD exactly means.

Bowser i do hope that the next generation is won by the company that has the best ideas, im all for it.
Ain't gonna happen, sadly enough. Think Sony is going to win this generation once again, solely because of the PlayStation franchise and their massive marketing capabilities.

Are you honestly attacking Matt because he posted a humorous picture of himself punching Mario? Do you honestly believe Nintendo is so undeniably perfect and just while Matt is so unforgivably evil that you are going to cite that very non-serious picture as Nintendo-hatred? Ha!
And why did he post that picture of him punching Mario? Oh right, because he was angry at Nintendo for not including HD Support. Bye bye comedy value.



Bah, I hate writing long posts like these.

Bowser
06-17-2005, 09:06 PM
i think what we really need to understand here is that Nintendo doesn't care. They want to be the drivers and creators in the industry and if that takes years and years of being last thats alright with them. Everytime a company steals an idea from them as much as they say they hate it i bet that they are so proud of themselves for developing something new. Im glad Nintendo is doing something innovative so MS and Sony don't totally blow with the same shit year after year. Let Matt rant about nothing but he shouldn't rant because Nintendo is making a profit while being innovative and creative which is their goal. As far as im concerned Nintendo shouldn't even be compared to Sony or MS and what they decide to do anymore. I never hear anyone saying "I can't believe that Sony isn't developing a new controller", all we hear is "I can't believe Nintendo isn't being like Sony and going HD". We only complain about Nintendo and them not using the technology we already know instead of the technology they are using which we don't know of.


You're missing the point. Its that Nintendo is acting like they don't care, its that idiots like Matt pretend they don't. People like him will only succeed in driving gamers away from Nintendo, and the video game industry. What we need is honest, valid criticism, not blind, Anti-Nintendo hysteria.

neo999955
06-17-2005, 11:46 PM
If you even understood my article you'd see that my article wasnt about the decision to not support HD. I clearly didnt even give my own opinion on if it was a good decision or not. I told you to wait for another article for that.

As for your comment that a professional game journalist punching Mario is witty...well I think that speaks volumes for your grasp on the situation.


You need to look at the conclusion of my rebuttal where I discuss the root of why I countered his immature garbage. He can complain about lack of HD support all he wants, That clearly wasnt what I was talking about. I was talking about the way he carries himself in such an unprofessional negative manner that you don’t see at the other IGN channels. When there's no balance there's a slant.

No, that wasn’t the point of your article, but it should have been. Your attack on Matt was out of line and very unprofessional. The professional thing to would have been to state the pros of Nintendo not including HD and then stating that you disagree with Matt and believe he is wrong in his assessment of Nintendo as company and their recent choices. Matt had every right to express his dislike of Nintendo’s choice to exclude HD, and I fully support him because I believe that it is a terrible move for both business and for us gamers.

The real problem here is you, like too many people here, are so blinded in fanboyism that whenever anyone states a negative opinion of something Nintendo does you hit the roof. IGN is the biggest gaming site there so when someone from that site says anything even remotely negative about Nintendo you flip out and act like the journalist, in this case Matt, is Satan. You’re problem here is Matt expressed his opinion of Nintendo in a negative manner, which is something you can’t seem to stomach. Next time someone says something negative about Nintendo you should repute it with your opinions on the subject, not by attacking the journalist, because that’s immature and unprofessional, not expressing dismay at Nintendo’s latest move.


I agree here with most parts, except for walkthroughs (GameFAQs) and reviews. The latter because there are plenty of sites who write better reviews than IGN, not to mention that their scores are often absurd (hype + several years in development = 9 or more). Also, one can question how some of their reviews have been approved by higher authorities, like their VJ PS2 review and Serious Sam Xbox review (horrible this one).

I meant more generally, not really specifically, but I agree their walkthroughs could use some help and sometimes their reviews aren’t as good as they should be, I think the PS2 site seems to fall victim to over scoring above all.


History has proven time and time again that there are exceptions

Sometimes, but I don’t believe this is one of them, and I don’t think you do either.



Pish posh: the Dreamcast did not fail because of the lack of a DVD-playing ability. The device did not recieve proper marketing at all. Also, the sales of the GC did not plummet because of the same reason, but rather 'cause of the mainstreamers mentality (they "knew" it was going to be a machine for kids before it was even released) and because it lacked online support. Not to mention that the PS2's success didn't revolve around its DVD-functionality (though it was a plus for some) and its, ultimately, lackluster online support: it was all because of the brand's popularity and Sony's agressive commercial campaigns.

Marketing was a huge part in the system’s fate, but DVD certainly was a contributor When teenagers were looking at which system to get and they saw one with DVD, which was the wave of the future (cough, similar circumstance, cough) they jumped on the PS2 bandwagon, and many twenty-somethings when choosing a system saw that with the PS2 they would get a DVD player too, no lose situation.

As for GameCube, the DVD craze was settling down but millions of potential buyers so no DVD as yet another reason to label Nintendo as a kiddy console so they threw the idea of picking one up right out the window. New technology is hip and what people want, excluding it alienates people and in Nintendo’s case furthers the idea of Nintendo being for kids.



HD TV being as important as CDs, DVDs and online support? Hell no. In a couple of years, yes, but by the time the XBox 360, PS3 and Revolution are launched? Once again: hell no.

Oh it will be. Regardless if only 20-25% of the population can support it or not, people are going to want it. You talk about marketing; everyone is going to be marketing HD as the absolute, essential future especially Microsoft and Sony with the 360 and PS3. Nintendo not including the feature is going to make people once again say Nintendo is for kids and they aren’t even going to consider it. Nintendo is repeating history.




I agree that Microsoft does innovate at times, but there are barely any examples coming from Sony. ICO is an excellent example, but the Eye Toy is imo not that important a device. Sure, people adored the camera, but not shortly afterwards they got tired of it, not to mention that it has lost its appeal after the first batch of games. I don't think this is going to change much with the PS3, especially since Sony officially stated that it's a super computer instead of a console. The Xbox 360 on the other hand has much more potential.

I agree, but the point I was trying to make is that it’s the games themselves which innovate. The DS and Rev can have crazy things that can make your toes wiggle the toes of the character on screen, but until a game come out to make this feature actually unique and important to the game itself, the feature is useless. Do I think that Rev will have innovative games because of it’s controller, absolutely (DS is starting to roll them out as well), but innovation is still very much possible for the “regular” consoles like PS3 and 360.



You are exaggerating (sp?) about this whole HD decision. Ludicrous and madness? If HD was, at this point, the new DVD of the industry, then I would've agreed, but this isn't the case. Also, it is a fact that Nintendo has lost plenty of customers, but I wouldn't go as far and say they lost millions. Not to mention that this isn't because of the hardware, but mainly because of the image that narrow-minded folk have about this company, especially the youth. Anything with bright colors and happiness -> automatically kiddy.

Oh they’ve lost millions, when you look at the number of people who play games now compared to the NES games and then see how the huge increase of gamers has resulted in a much lower number of Nintendo gamers you’ll see they’ve lost millions. Image is ninendo’s biggest problems, because they are the kiddy console, and not including the future of technology, HD, Nintendo is simply cementing that image of themselves on customer’s minds. Nintnedo should be trying as hard as they can to shake that image, and not supporting affordable technology that is most certainly the future (especially when your competitors are doing everything in their power to make that a reality) is simply foolish.



Another comparisson with CDs. Like I said before: HD is nowhere near as important now as the CD was back in its time. And I also doubt that most casual gamers even know what HD actually means. Hell, I've been playing games and following the industry for years now and I don't even know what HD exactly means.

People didn’t know what CDs really were, and all they knew was DVD was better than CD, even though it looked the exact same. What makes the next format the must-have future, marketing. Sony and Microsoft are going to make sure HD is the future and are they going to go into specifics as to what HD really is? No, they are going to tell billions that HD is the best thing that has ever happened to TV, that it makes things look like you were looking through a window, and most importantly that this is the not only the future, it is now.



And why did he post that picture of him punching Mario? Oh right, because he was angry at Nintendo for not including HD Support. Bye bye comedy value.

That is the comedy value.



Yeah, and if they showed a picture of Matt punching his mother, that would be real hilarious, now wouldn't it?
… Are you joking? Yes Matt punching a Mario is the same as him hitting your mother. Grow up people, and learn to take a joke, honestly.

dork
06-17-2005, 11:47 PM
^ das a big ass post

Mach
06-18-2005, 12:35 AM
No, that wasn’t the point of your article, but it should have been. Your attack on Matt was out of line and very unprofessional. The professional thing to would have been to state the pros of Nintendo not including HD and then stating that you disagree with Matt and believe he is wrong in his assessment of Nintendo as company and their recent choices. Matt had every right to express his dislike of Nintendo’s choice to exclude HD, and I fully support him because I believe that it is a terrible move for both business and for us gamers.

The real problem here is you, like too many people here, are so blinded in fanboyism that whenever anyone states a negative opinion of something Nintendo does you hit the roof. IGN is the biggest gaming site there so when someone from that site says anything even remotely negative about Nintendo you flip out and act like the journalist, in this case Matt, is Satan. You’re problem here is Matt expressed his opinion of Nintendo in a negative manner, which is something you can’t seem to stomach. Next time someone says something negative about Nintendo you should repute it with your opinions on the subject, not by attacking the journalist, because that’s immature and unprofessional, not expressing dismay at Nintendo’s latest move.


First of all you do not tell me what to write. You are not the journalist here. Secondly, you have no grasp of journalism if you think rebutting an unprofessional display of ranting and name calling is unprofessional. It is done in the world news journalism world all the time. You fail to see that obviously.

Also, you do not tell people what their article SHOULD'VE been about. It's an editorial, I can address any issue I want. I've been planning an article on the HD Era Assumption for quite some time now and as such I said it was coming. This article had nothing to do with my opinions on HD and everything to do with an immature journalist who's gotten away with one too many ridiculous incidents. Again you foolishly counter with "Matt had every right to express his opinion". Of course he did. I never said he didn't. If you actually read, I discussed the way he took his anger too far for a professional journalist. I never once attacked his opinion but rather his bashing and name calling. I haven't even told you what I personally think on Nintendo's decision.

And with your last statement you are once again completely wrong. I and others at NintendoNow.com have countered many biased journalists with factual counters and done so in an excellent manner. Take my EGM piece for example or Billy's GameInformer piece.

You have it completely wrong. Your whole argument centered on your assumption that I actually disagree with his disapproval with Nintendo's HD decision. And when you base your argument on assumption chances are it's going to be proven false and this is no different. My personal editorial was addressing unprofessional name calling and constant negativity seen in the press and showcased with Matt's latest tirades. I never once said I think the HD removal decision was actually good.

Bowser
06-18-2005, 02:33 AM
No, that wasn’t the point of your article, but it should have been. Your attack on Matt was out of line and very unprofessional. The professional thing to would have been to state the pros of Nintendo not including HD and then stating that you disagree with Matt and believe he is wrong in his assessment of Nintendo as company and their recent choices. Matt had every right to express his dislike of Nintendo’s choice to exclude HD, and I fully support him because I believe that it is a terrible move for both business and for us gamers.

The real problem here is you, like too many people here, are so blinded in fanboyism that whenever anyone states a negative opinion of something Nintendo does you hit the roof. IGN is the biggest gaming site there so when someone from that site says anything even remotely negative about Nintendo you flip out and act like the journalist, in this case Matt, is Satan. You’re problem here is Matt expressed his opinion of Nintendo in a negative manner, which is something you can’t seem to stomach. Next time someone says something negative about Nintendo you should repute it with your opinions on the subject, not by attacking the journalist, because that’s immature and unprofessional, not expressing dismay at Nintendo’s latest move.


I meant more generally, not really specifically, but I agree their walkthroughs could use some help and sometimes their reviews aren’t as good as they should be, I think the PS2 site seems to fall victim to over scoring above all.


Sometimes, but I don’t believe this is one of them, and I don’t think you do either.



Marketing was a huge part in the system’s fate, but DVD certainly was a contributor When teenagers were looking at which system to get and they saw one with DVD, which was the wave of the future (cough, similar circumstance, cough) they jumped on the PS2 bandwagon, and many twenty-somethings when choosing a system saw that with the PS2 they would get a DVD player too, no lose situation.

As for GameCube, the DVD craze was settling down but millions of potential buyers so no DVD as yet another reason to label Nintendo as a kiddy console so they threw the idea of picking one up right out the window. New technology is hip and what people want, excluding it alienates people and in Nintendo’s case furthers the idea of Nintendo being for kids.



Oh it will be. Regardless if only 20-25% of the population can support it or not, people are going to want it. You talk about marketing; everyone is going to be marketing HD as the absolute, essential future especially Microsoft and Sony with the 360 and PS3. Nintendo not including the feature is going to make people once again say Nintendo is for kids and they aren’t even going to consider it. Nintendo is repeating history.



I agree, but the point I was trying to make is that it’s the games themselves which innovate. The DS and Rev can have crazy things that can make your toes wiggle the toes of the character on screen, but until a game come out to make this feature actually unique and important to the game itself, the feature is useless. Do I think that Rev will have innovative games because of it’s controller, absolutely (DS is starting to roll them out as well), but innovation is still very much possible for the “regular” consoles like PS3 and 360.



Oh they’ve lost millions, when you look at the number of people who play games now compared to the NES games and then see how the huge increase of gamers has resulted in a much lower number of Nintendo gamers you’ll see they’ve lost millions. Image is ninendo’s biggest problems, because they are the kiddy console, and not including the future of technology, HD, Nintendo is simply cementing that image of themselves on customer’s minds. Nintnedo should be trying as hard as they can to shake that image, and not supporting affordable technology that is most certainly the future (especially when your competitors are doing everything in their power to make that a reality) is simply foolish.



People didn’t know what CDs really were, and all they knew was DVD was better than CD, even though it looked the exact same. What makes the next format the must-have future, marketing. Sony and Microsoft are going to make sure HD is the future and are they going to go into specifics as to what HD really is? No, they are going to tell billions that HD is the best thing that has ever happened to TV, that it makes things look like you were looking through a window, and most importantly that this is the not only the future, it is now.



That is the comedy value.




Sorry, but I didn't manage to read through all this drivel, but I did manage to get two of your points.


"No, that wasn’t the point of your article, but it should have been. Your attack on Matt was out of line and very unprofessional. The professional thing to would have been to state the pros of Nintendo not including HD and then stating that you disagree with Matt and believe he is wrong in his assessment of Nintendo as company and their recent choices. Matt had every right to express his dislike of Nintendo’s choice to exclude HD, and I fully support him because I believe that it is a terrible move for both business and for us gamers"

Where is his reciprocation in return? The reason why Mach wrote that is to highlight Matt's professional conduct, or lack thereof. But I guess you're saying that Matt's posts are so good, that they are beyond reproach right? That you cannot ever criticize him ever, because he is that master, right? Let us all then salute this great leader. "Hail Matt, King of the Rubes"!


… Are you joking? Yes Matt punching a Mario is the same as him hitting your mother. Grow up people, and learn to take a joke, honestly.


My friend, you miss the point completely. When you attack a corporate logo, you are in essence, attacking everything it stands for. If attacking a symbol of corporate power is acceptable behavior, where do we go next? What else does he find funny? Attacking a nun? Attacking a judge? Attacking a Prostitute? Yeah, funny, funny like a heart attack. You obviously don't know crap when you see it.


Oh, and by the way, you never answered my question as to whether or not you are the real Matt.

NanoGator
06-18-2005, 04:54 AM
Bzzt, sorry, the lack of DVD functionality didn't kill the Dreamcast. Lack of funding on Sega's part had a pretty big role to play in that little party.

Actually, I wonder if Nintendo's lower price hurt them. I know that may sound a little funny, but I wonder if that gives the impression that the system is weaker. I really wonder what would happen if Nintendo released a $300 system.

Bowser
06-18-2005, 07:22 AM
Personally, I don't think so. The three problems as I see it are: 1)Lack of advertising 2)Bad press and 3)Lack of shelf space. Add unfavorable customer reps, and you will get an unsavory mix. Miyamoto also has a point when he says that the best advertising is word of mouth. Well, its hard to get that out, if all the cards are stacked against ya. Although, Nintendo is making much more of an effort to rectify 1) it can do nothing about 2) and 3)

MicVlaD
06-18-2005, 05:47 PM
Sometimes, but I don’t believe this is one of them, and I don’t think you do either.
True, it is quite possible that in the past, IGN has done some great things to achieve the fanbase and worldwide popularity they currently have, but as of now, they hold too many flaws on certain aspects to be considered truly professional, at least in my book. Mind you that I'm not referring their coverage of large events, their media distribution and their news-updates and that I know squat of IGN's past, hence the "quite possible".

Marketing was a huge part in the system’s fate, but DVD certainly was a contributor When teenagers were looking at which system to get and they saw one with DVD, which was the wave of the future (cough, similar circumstance, cough) they jumped on the PS2 bandwagon, and many twenty-somethings when choosing a system saw that with the PS2 they would get a DVD player too, no lose situation.
The Dreamcast launched several months earlier than the PS2 I believe (I could be wrong) so the missing DVD-support didn't even have much of an influence on the Dreamcast's sales. Like I said before, the sole reason why the PS2 sold much more than the DC was because of Sony's skill in the marketing departement, despite the fact that the DC had better software and hardware than it's competitor.

Oh it will be. Regardless if only 20-25% of the population can support it or not, people are going to want it. You talk about marketing; everyone is going to be marketing HD as the absolute, essential future especially Microsoft and Sony with the 360 and PS3. Nintendo not including the feature is going to make people once again say Nintendo is for kids and they aren’t even going to consider it. Nintendo is repeating history.
I refuse to believe that the HD-industry will bloom that much in a matter of months and chances of this actually happening = slim. Accomplishing this in a period of 1,5 - 2 years is more likely.

Oh they’ve lost millions, when you look at the number of people who play games now compared to the NES games and then see how the huge increase of gamers has resulted in a much lower number of Nintendo gamers you’ll see they’ve lost millions. Image is ninendo’s biggest problems, because they are the kiddy console, and not including the future of technology, HD, Nintendo is simply cementing that image of themselves on customer’s minds. Nintnedo should be trying as hard as they can to shake that image, and not supporting affordable technology that is most certainly the future (especially when your competitors are doing everything in their power to make that a reality) is simply foolish.
It is only natural for a company like Nintendo to have a lesser amount of users than the number they had in the NES-era. Back then, they practically had a monopoly of the videogames business, something which isn't the case at present. More serious rivals equals a declining userbase. The same thing would happen with Microsoft if a big company with the potential of Sony to attract customers released software à la Windows, Linux etcetera. Shaking of their kiddy image won't help Nintendo regain a monopoly position, only a "slight" increase (note to " ") of customers.

People didn’t know what CDs really were, and all they knew was DVD was better than CD, even though it looked the exact same. What makes the next format the must-have future, marketing. Sony and Microsoft are going to make sure HD is the future and are they going to go into specifics as to what HD really is? No, they are going to tell billions that HD is the best thing that has ever happened to TV, that it makes things look like you were looking through a window, and most importantly that this is the not only the future, it is now.
Now, I'm not trying to declare you as stupid or anything, but DVDs weren't designed to be competitive with CDs; it belonged to a different media market. All that people knew at the time, was that if they wanted to listen to music, they needed CDs (which surpassed audio tapes) and that they needed a VCR + VHS-tapes in order to watch movies. DVD caused a decline for the VHS-market, not for the CD-market in short. MP3 was the cause of the latter.

That is the comedy value.
In another context: yes. In a rant of frustration and anger: no. Also read Bowser's post about the same subject btw.

Flamin Scotsman
06-18-2005, 06:10 PM
i stopped reading when i heard that firs tof all gta is an innovative idea for ps...
erm
gta camer out like a bazzilian yesrs before the ps... or 5... al they did was change it from top view to 3rd person, which was bound to happen anyway..
i then proceeded to throw up when it was mentioned that a ps game rivals that of zelda
NOTHING IN THE PAST, PRESENT OR FUTURE COULD EVER RIVAL ZELDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B.F. 2.0
06-18-2005, 07:15 PM
Bickering over who said what is now pointless. Why not focus on what is really important? Matt should criticize Nintendo (I have not read his article so I don't know whether he went over the line). There is a reason that Nintendo is third in the console market and that reason has been their corporate strategy. I might point out that IGN is doing something constructive in asking people to email Nintendo about how they feel about HD. That's something pro-active.

For those that feel that HD simply is not important, you need to look at the figures. I will only address the U.S. market, but it is the world's largest and very important to all the gaming companies. Right now just over 10% of Televisions are HD. That may seem small but consider that only a few years ago HDTV's did not exist. Every year HDTV's become 1) better and 2) cheaper. Consequently an increasing number of consumers are purchgasing HD. In another year when the Revolution is released the percentage of HDTV's will be even higher and the year after that higher still. By 2007 or 2008 it is not just possible but likely that around 30% of the market will be HD. By the end of the next generation it could be higher than 50%. It is perfectly valid to say that HD is the technology of tommarow but so is the Revolution. The nex-gen consoles are coinsiding with the rise of HD. For Nintendo to ignore this can only hurt them and consequently Nintendo fans. I'll take it all back if it turns out that the Revolution is so revolutionary that HD is inconsiquential but I won't hold my breath.

Bowser
06-18-2005, 08:43 PM
B.F., you miss the point. This has nothing to do with the letter writing campaign. The point is that there is not enough demand to support HD at this time. That's a fact. Secondly, while Matt has a right to his opinion, he has a history of crushing dissent with those who think otherwise. Anytime someone tries to raise the issue with him, he lashes out at others with accusations of fanboyism. That's a fact. Matt dictatorial editiorial policy leaves no room for dissent, discussion, or even debate. And it further reinforces the notion that Matt is an overgrown juvenile adolescent, who cannot control his hostility and aggression. Not the kind of image that you wish to project as a professional organization..

Viper
06-18-2005, 09:07 PM
Matt writes in the Cube.IGN.com mailbag which is still a part of IGN.

Flaming, insults, ignorant remarks, rude, etc....in the mailbag is a reflection upon IGN. The lack of poise, professionalism, good judgement and character while serving as a representative of IGN...that is the point.

Glenn2K4
06-19-2005, 02:10 AM
paraphrased:
"nobody wants another DVD player...pssh!... dvd players are cheaper and anyway everyone already has one!...Nintendo made the right choice of not including one in the Gamecube."

:: consoles release and sell. time passes::

"wow, the PS2 is really flying off the shelves...it has DVD capabilities! Oh and look at the Gamecube...awww...it doesn't play DVDs...BUT! it has a handle for easy transporting!!"

reality:
Many people think not having HD isn't important now...(just like we thought initially about online and DVD playback)....but that is far from truth when the guys at EBgames, BestBuy (etc) exclaim how XBOX360 and PS3 are better and far superior than the Revolution because they have HD support while the Revolution doesn't.

Essentially, they are giving their competitors another selling point OVER the Revolution!
....their controller better be something in lieu of a miracle because this is getting ridiculous....even scarier is how Nintendo exclaimed how innovative Super Mario Sunshine was going to be

And we all know how that turned out.

Viper
06-19-2005, 02:35 AM
Essentially, they are giving their competitors another selling point OVER the Revolution!
Have you thought for a moment that perhaps Nintendo may have a huge selling point over them?

Exodus
06-19-2005, 02:41 AM
I think Glenn was referring to retailer bias.

Glenn2K4
06-19-2005, 02:57 AM
Have you thought for a moment that perhaps Nintendo may have a huge selling point over them?
yes. here, i'll even restate my sentence again...

....their controller better be something in lieu of a miracle because this is getting ridiculous

Retailers ARE the people who sell the consoles to the consumer...the retailer's store is the last place where the consumer can/may be swayed to by another product....kid comes in and asks "which console should i buy??"

Retailers (remember: the same people who want to SELL HD tvs because they = big revenue for the store) are going to sway buyers toward the product which may lead the consumer to SOON pick up a HD tv to get the most out of their product....not a Nintendo console which plays old games with no HD.

+ Matt did nothing wrong other than state his opinion on his platform...honesty IS a big part of journalism people...O'Reilly was brought up in a previous post....same thing
+ A picture of Matt pretending to punch Mario is humor....it's not the national flag, you guys...jeez.
+ Matt is not the anti-Nintendo freak nor has he ever been against Nintendo...he just states is blunt and honest opinion when Nintendo trips and stumbles in it's last place position. Hell, Nintendo is not comfortable with last place...stop lying...no business is comfortable in last place!! Matt is just confused like many fans are when we see the Big N make a blatent mistake that is right now a ripple but will soon turn into a huge wave of disaster.

Viper
06-19-2005, 03:09 AM
I could see that happening at Best Buy and the like but not at EB since they sell TV's.

Best Buy Guy: [voice in puberty range] Welcome to Best Buy how can I help you?

Me: [Deep threatening voice] Yeah, sing the Star Spangled Banner, ok, stop now. I want to buy a Revolution.

Best Buy Guy: [voice in puberty range] I can sell you a nice shiny extreme Xbox360 or perhaps spidermans favorite, the PS3? Do you have an HDTV?

Me: [Deep threatening voice] No, no and guess what...no. Just get me a Revolution please.

Best Buy Guy: [voice in puberty range] We carry HDTV's so you can play your cool Xbox360 or PS3 games on it in super duper HD. It's got gigwatts.

Me: [Deep threatening voice] Look kid, wipe your nose, it's running, get me a Revolution or I'll hook up one of these video cameras to the HDTV display and shove it so far up your ass, the whole store will be playing a First Person Shitter.

Dorbin
06-19-2005, 03:40 AM
Glenn, I don't ever really notice any humor from Matt towards Nintendo...he just always seems...angry. I sure didnt laugh or smile when I saw him punching Mario, or when he implied that Miyamoto was mad, or when he said the company was insane or whatever.

Shadow Voa
06-19-2005, 04:49 AM
Jesus tap dancing christ!!! With all this opinion crap Ill state mine!!!
HD...need it? No I dont need it. HD...want it in Rev? No I dont want it in my Rev. Other people who do want HD, do I care? No not one fuc*kin bit!!! Thats as basic as it gets I dont want or plan on owning an HDTV so this feature has no difference and makes no difference to my eyes at least. And I know my friend owns a $3300 HDTV and Ive played Halo 2 on it, frankly looks the same as any other tv except his is bigger then my 27 " inch lol. Frankly Matt is a dick and likes dicks aswell, his opinion means shit to me cause I hate that man so very much. Mach I salute you for your valor and everyone else wake up and smell the moca coffee, Matt sucks.. do you really want to suck aswell?

Bowser
06-19-2005, 05:21 AM
etailers ARE the people who sell the consoles to the consumer...the retailer's store is the last place where the consumer can/may be swayed to by another product....kid comes in and asks "which console should i buy??"

Retailers (remember: the same people who want to SELL HD tvs because they = big revenue for the store) are going to sway buyers toward the product which may lead the consumer to SOON pick up a HD tv to get the most out of their product....not a Nintendo console which plays old games with no HD.

+ Matt did nothing wrong other than state his opinion on his platform...honesty IS a big part of journalism people...O'Reilly was brought up in a previous post....same thing
+ A picture of Matt pretending to punch Mario is humor....it's not the national flag, you guys...jeez.
+ Nintendo is not the anti-Nintendo freak nor has he ever been against Nintendo...he just states is blunt and honest opinion when Nintendo trips and stumbles in it's last place position. Hell, Nintendo is not comfortable with last place...stop lying...no business is comfortable in last place!! Matt is just confused like many fans are when we see the Big N make a blatent mistake that is right now a ripple but will soon turn into a huge wave of disaster.
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Calling Matt an "honest" journalist is like calling Hitler a moral man. Matt and company consistently leave out facts that don't agree with his agenda. He is a bullying agressive boor, who is only interested in stirring up controversy to draw people to his website.

No, there is nothing humorous about Matt Cassamassina, nothing at all. Someone who ridicules his co-workers(deserving or not), jokes about fondling strangers, etc, does not have any sense of what real humor is.


Nintendo is not an anti-Nintendo freak? Gee I didn't know a videogame company could be biased against itself! I think you meant Matt is not anti-Nintendo.

To be honest, if Matt is such a great fan of Nintendo, he has a strange way of showing it. When you constantly pick at any real or perceived flaws, then you aren't coming off as being . Matt himself once said that the only reason he originally got a Nintendo console was because he couldn't afford to buy two.

And where is this "tidal wave" of disaster that you are talking about? How is HD going to change the video gaming industry? Can you tell me? Because I can't see it. If anything, its Sony and Microsoft that are heading towards disaster, with their insistence on driving consoles out of the hands of the average consumer.


In short, Matt is not some frustrated fanboy. He is a master polemicist, who is only interested in bashing those who disagree with him. Its like Observer once said, Matt is never happy with anything Nintendo does, no matter how good it is.

AntiRealityHero
06-19-2005, 05:24 AM
..when he implied that Miyamoto was mad..Where did he say this? Show me a quote and I'll believe you, but I went back over both the article and the mailbag and found it nowhere.

Jimmy, that situation may be fine and dandy for you, but as Glenn was pointing out it's the uninformed buyer that will be swayed. Though I do hope you taught that salesperson a lesson. :)

My biggest beef with this whole thing is that you've skewed Matt's rant way out of proportion. If you read through the June 13th mailbag rant [which was clearly stated as a rant 3 different times] you'll notice that only 85-90% of it can even start to be considered bias. If you read, sentence for sentence, you see that he doesn't even state an opinion until the fifth paragraph starting with "Videogames are technology-driven..."

I don't agree with everything Matt said, and I think he clearly stepped over a line when he called them "crazy," but you guys are focusing too much on that one little part and completely skimming the part where brought up some decent points on the topic.

I'm officially done with all this Matt stuff - you guys can have at eachothers throats all you want. PM me when this thing blows over.

Viper
06-19-2005, 05:52 AM
Matt writes in the Cube.IGN.com mailbag which is still a part of IGN.

Flaming, insults, ignorant remarks, rude, etc....in the mailbag is a reflection upon IGN. The lack of poise, professionalism, good judgement and character while serving as a representative of IGN...that is the point.
Quote myself because...well...just because.

Teh Roxor!
06-19-2005, 09:21 AM
My friend, you miss the point completely. When you attack a corporate logo, you are in essence, attacking everything it stands for. If attacking a symbol of corporate power is acceptable behavior, where do we go next? What else does he find funny? Attacking a nun? Attacking a judge? Attacking a Prostitute? Yeah, funny, funny like a heart attack. You obviously don't know crap when you see it.

You are taking that way too seriously. I mean, geeze- I think it is funny. And by the way, Matt is not an evil person for all we know. Don't try to say that by doing this he might have a tendency to think "attacking a nun" is funny as well. That is simply absurd. You went from saying that he was attacking everything Nintendo stands for (not true, by the way) to trying to make it seem like he has done something horribly evil, and try to equate it's importance with that of a heart attack.

I don't really agree with Matt entirely on this one, but I still thinks it's fine for him to use his position to express his ideas and try to convince others to see things his way. I mean... it's kinda his job. And if he wants to try to get like minded people to tell Nintendo what they want, then that's fine too.

PornSharK
06-19-2005, 10:02 AM
Matt over-reacted too much and his crybaby antics has been trying to get some attention. I think its really shallow, its obvious that his favoring over HD is what is driving him insane because Nintendo is not riding where he wants them to, being a tech goth and all.

It was ok for him to express his distaste but HOW he did it, he got carried away. Even his futile campaign on having visitors email Nintendo, I dont think it will guarantee anything unless Nintendo does really reconsider his stupid HD concern.

Flamin Scotsman
06-19-2005, 12:55 PM
attacking a nun would be funny
aslong as shese not hurt or anything after...
the shock value for passers byers would be hilarious

Xtreme Gamer
06-19-2005, 03:48 PM
I personally agree with Matt on this one. If they don't make the Revolution compatible with HD, then it will send wrong signals to casual gamers. Nintendo claims that they want their system to appeal to all types of gamers, but how will it if they don't also focus on making their system atleast as graphically powerful as the competition? If Nintendo continues to make bad decisions, then the Rev. will end up just like the Gamecube, a system that only appeals to Nintendo fans.

Viper
06-19-2005, 06:07 PM
Goodness people, how many times must I say that Nintendo is possibly coming out with a completely new way to even view the games so HD could be irrelevent.

Changing the way we play. Remember?


Back in the day when the first automobile manufacturer said we won't include a carburettor on our next car, do you think people called them idiots or waited to see what fuel injection was all about?

Glenn2K4
06-19-2005, 07:41 PM
Calling Matt an "honest" journalist is like calling Hitler a moral man. Matt and company consistently leave out facts that don't agree with his agenda. He is a bullying agressive boor, who is only interested in stirring up controversy to draw people to his website.

No, there is nothing humorous about Matt Cassamassina, nothing at all. Someone who ridicules his co-workers(deserving or not), jokes about fondling strangers, etc, does not have any sense of what real humor is.


Nintendo is not an anti-Nintendo freak? Gee I didn't know a videogame company could be biased against itself! I think you meant Matt is not anti-Nintendo.

To be honest, if Matt is such a great fan of Nintendo, he has a strange way of showing it. When you constantly pick at any real or perceived flaws, then you aren't coming off as being . Matt himself once said that the only reason he originally got a Nintendo console was because he couldn't afford to buy two.

And where is this "tidal wave" of disaster that you are talking about? How is HD going to change the video gaming industry? Can you tell me? Because I can't see it. If anything, its Sony and Microsoft that are heading towards disaster, with their insistence on driving consoles out of the hands of the average consumer.


In short, Matt is not some frustrated fanboy. He is a master polemicist, who is only interested in bashing those who disagree with him. Its like Observer once said, Matt is never happy with anything Nintendo does, no matter how good it is.

whoa. i think you are taking this waaaay to far, IF the best analogy for Matt you can come up with is Hitler...please, lay of the exaggeration pills. Please.

The wave of disaster commeth when more and more people realize that the tiny Nintendo box cant do what the other big consoles can...perform in HD quality...once that bit of info and news gets around (and it will), Nintendo then has to tap dance its way around the situation (again) singing its favorite hit song, "It's all about innovation, Not Graphics" and the oh so favorite tune "What A Gamer Wants".

Matt is tired of this behavior and so are many Nintendo fans who want to see Nintendo be more aggressive. We want online, not e-Readers. We want great graphics AND innovation. I think many fanboys know Nintendo is wrong about the ideals of a gamer...but the fact that somebody points out these flaws, omg there is hell to pay.

You say: "If anything, its Sony and Microsoft that are heading towards disaster, with their insistence on driving consoles out of the hands of the average consumer."
I say: "Wasn't it Sony's Playstation that introduced the average (read: non-traditional)consumer to videogames market during the N64 era. Wasn't it Microsoft that built Xbox Live, the same community online service that is growing by the month and bringing more people to the online console gaming area....now tell me, how exactly are they driving consoles out of the hands of average consumers again?"

Goodness people, how many times must I say that Nintendo is possibly coming out with a completely new way to even view the games so HD could be irrelevent.
You think Nintendo's Revolution could possibly be viewed on something other than a TV?

If this proves true, Nintendo has more important things to worry about.
Not HD anymore...more along the lines of falling marketshare and ridicule.

Viper
06-19-2005, 08:42 PM
Where did I say a TV wasn't involved?

Bowser
06-19-2005, 10:50 PM
"whoa. i think you are taking this waaaay to far, IF the best analogy for Matt you can come up with is Hitler...please, lay of the exaggeration pills. Please".

Friend, obviously you are incapable of understanding analogy, so let me put it to you another way. MATT IS NOT HONEST. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT NINTENDO. THE ONLY THING MATT CARES ABOUT IS MATT.

Now was that clear enough, or do I have to put it in subtitles?

"The wave of disaster commeth when more and more people realize that the tiny Nintendo box cant do what the other big consoles can...perform in HD quality...once that bit of info and news gets around (and it will), Nintendo then has to tap dance its way around the situation (again) singing its favorite hit song, "It's all about innovation, Not Graphics" and the oh so favorite tune "What A Gamer Wants".

"Uh, no, the problem comes when idiots like Matt assume what the consumer wants, and spreads panic and doom because of it. He misleads people into thinking that certain things like this are essential to the industry, and he flames anyone who does not share his point of view". Besides is HD the only component that goes into a video game console? Does it make the console more technically powerful? No, but that's the kind of thing we are led to believe.

"Matt is tired of this behavior and so are many Nintendo fans who want to see Nintendo be more aggressive. We want online, not e-Readers. We want great graphics AND innovation. I think many fanboys know Nintendo is wrong about the ideals of a gamer...but the fact that somebody points out these flaws, omg there is hell to pay".


Oh, yes Matt is the tireless defender of truth against the EEEEEVIL Nintendo right? Open your eyes, dagnbit! He doesn't Care! Not you or me, or anyone else. He doesn't think about the average fan. We complain about minor differences in frame resolution, and screen size, while all around the world, people are suffering. There are kids not old enough to shave fighting in guerrilla wars, kids having limbs blown off by landmines, people starving in third world nations, and all you care about is the bloody TV resolution? Get real. There are people in this world who can't afford things like TV's. In fact, for people living in the third world, people, if you own a car, a TV, and a house, you are considered wealthy, but here people gripe about the benefits of a widescreen TV, vs. a 22" screen. Wake up. There is a wider world around you, and you need to look around.

You're making a false distinction between graphics and gameplay that Nintendo itself has not made. But Matt would have you believe otherwise. for heaven's sake, even Iwata has said that he apprieciates great graphics! The difference is that he thinks that videogame companies are sacrificing quality gameplay, just to push out a few more polygons. You see this is what Matt does, he rarely quotes Nintendo in context. Rather he takes an obscure quote, and twists it to make it appear Nintendo has said something it hasn't. So when Matt says that certain games are just mind-popping eye candy, with no real substance, its alright. But let Iwata say it, and Matt goes nuts. This is classic Matt: Creating an issue where none exists. By taking a certain phrase or two, and twisting it out of proportion, he manufactures a non-existing conflict.

BTW, if you don't believe that Iwata believes that, peruse the following link:
http://game-science.com/news/000406.html


You say: "If anything, its Sony and Microsoft that are heading towards disaster, with their insistence on driving consoles out of the hands of the average consumer."

I say: "Wasn't it Sony's Playstation that introduced the average (read: non-traditional)consumer to videogames market during the N64 era. Wasn't it Microsoft that built Xbox Live, the same community online service that is growing by the month and bringing more people to the online console gaming area....now tell me, how exactly are they driving consoles out of the hands of average consumers again?"

No, Sony merely shifted an already existing userbase towards its consoles. In other words, those who were already inclined towards playing videogames, were the ones that Sony picked up. They just expanded the userbase slightly. And as for X-Box live, how many people do you think are playing on it? the last time I saw, it was no more than 2, 000,000 subscribers.



How many people own the X-Box? That's my point. X-Box live is becoming nothing more than a haven for the wealthier gamers. Most average people can't afford X-Box Live. How are you supposed to get people to support your online system if the majority of people can't afford to use it? My own brother has an X-Box, and HE can't afford it. And he has a child on the way, too. He recently bought a new car, after years of driving a dumpy truck. Not only that, but the apartment that he rents is not going to have nearly enough room to manouver, so he'll eventually have to buy a new house. And that's on a $40, 000 dollar salary. So tell me, how is my brother going to be able to afford to pay his bills, buy groceries, take his wife out to the movies, support his child, and still have money left over to play videogames? That's the point. Sony and Microsoft are both creating a climate where increasingly greater games are being creating to support a small core of gamers. How is this good for business?



Sony's drive to put increasingly more useless technologies into the home consoles is what is going to drive video gaming out of reach for the average consumer. They will spend so much time bickering over which technology is best, that they will alienate the consumer. But that's how they operate. By creating a need that does not exist, they manufacture artificial demand in their products. And by that time, they will succeed in driving video gaming into the ground. By making video gaming a primarily tech driven industry, they are forgetting that the average consumer does not really care for such things. All they are interested in is the next big thing. They don't care about tech specs, or ram memory, they really care for what's cool, and in.



Nintendo is at least trying to put technology in their consoles that will positively enhance the gaming experience for everyone. But Sony and Microsoft will succeed only in dividing gamers along class lines, and that is NOT good for the industry.



Edit- Sorry for the cut and paste. It was force of habit.

Bowser
06-19-2005, 10:59 PM
One thing I forgot to mention, is that the fact that Matt feels that he is above reproach. He acts as if what he says about Nintendo is the Gospel truth, and if you dare criticize him for misrepresenting Nintendo's views, he'll lash out you and call name just for telling the truth. So I think you would do well to reappraise your views of him.

Teh Roxor!
06-20-2005, 03:54 AM
Oh, yes Matt is the tireless defender of truth against the EEEEEVIL Nintendo right? Open your eyes, dagnbit! He doesn't Care! Not you or me, or anyone else. He doesn't think about the average fan. We complain about minor differences in frame resolution, and screen size, while all around the world, people are suffering. There are kids not old enough to shave fighting in guerrilla wars, kids having limbs blown off by landmines, people starving in third world nations, and all you care about is the bloody TV resolution? Get real. There are people in this world who can't afford things like TV's. In fact, for people living in the third world, people, if you own a car, a TV, and a house, you are considered wealthy, but here people gripe about the benefits of a widescreen TV, vs. a 22" screen. Wake up. There is a wider world around you, and you need to look around.


I'm confused as to what point you were trying to make.

You put so much effort into hating a journalist who does not agree with you when people are starving in third world countries, where people don't even have the opportunity to read IGN. So what?

Bowser
06-20-2005, 04:31 AM
My friend, you've missed the point. My point is that we are lucky to be in the position that we are. Look at us, we are lucky to even have television sets, much less good ones. And yet, we are reduced to arguing about some insignificant feature, and that is the point.


Anyway, I want to make clear I do not "hate" Matt Cassamassina. As a matter of fact, I don't really care what he does. Keep in mind that I read his pages for four years. FOUR YEARS, and not once did he ever get the facts straight. Matt allows his juvenile temper tatrums to interfere with the quality of his journalism, and Nintendo is getting a black eye for it. How many people read the IGN pages? And how many of them get their news exclusively from it? That's the crux of the matter right there. As a journalist, he is supposed to have high standards for honesty and integrity. People are supposed to be able to rely on his news for accurate information, but all they get is a daily temper tantrum from the boss. This is killing IGN on a professional level. All the news, mailbags, editorials, and even some of the previews carry it. Matt has become so blind to his hatred, that he has let it color his journalism, and it shows.


Now what do you think the average reader is going to get from this, the ones that don't read other pages like this? They're going to read them, and adopt the same distorted viewpoint. That's the point. Matt is misleading readers about Nintendo, and he doesn't care if you do. But of course, Matt's viewpoint is always Gospel truth, and no one should ever dare to question it right?


What it comes down to is this. Matt is just one person. However there are many more in the videogame industry just like him. If we don't do anything to stand up to such aggressive tactics, and boorish behavior where does it stop? Tell me. Because if one person gets away with it, then EVERYONE can.

So there you go. If you want to be deceived by his platform of deceit and lies, go ahead. It doesn't bother me. But I'm concerned with those who are actually have fallen for what he says. Well, I'm tired of it. I'm tired of his lies, I'm tired of his childish temper tantrums, I'm tired of his assinine and unprofessional behavior, which stoops well below acceptable standards, and as a matter of fact, I'm just plain tired of him. So don't mind me if I choose to vent a little steam. I think I've earned it.



Oh, and by the way, the Mario thing was really not funny. Really. His idea of humor stoops well below that of fifth grade bathroom antics.

neo999955
06-20-2005, 06:45 AM
Geez, I lgo out for a weekend, and look at everything I’ve missed!



First of all you do not tell me what to write. You are not the journalist here. Secondly, you have no grasp of journalism if you think rebutting an unprofessional display of ranting and name calling is unprofessional. It is done in the world news journalism world all the time. You fail to see that obviously.

Also, you do not tell people what their article SHOULD'VE been about. It's an editorial, I can address any issue I want. I've been planning an article on the HD Era Assumption for quite some time now and as such I said it was coming. This article had nothing to do with my opinions on HD and everything to do with an immature journalist who's gotten away with one too many ridiculous incidents. Again you foolishly counter with "Matt had every right to express his opinion". Of course he did. I never said he didn't. If you actually read, I discussed the way he took his anger too far for a professional journalist. I never once attacked his opinion but rather his bashing and name calling. I haven't even told you what I personally think on Nintendo's decision.

And with your last statement you are once again completely wrong. I and others at NintendoNow.com have countered many biased journalists with factual counters and done so in an excellent manner. Take my EGM piece for example or Billy's GameInformer piece.

You have it completely wrong. Your whole argument centered on your assumption that I actually disagree with his disapproval with Nintendo's HD decision. And when you base your argument on assumption chances are it's going to be proven false and this is no different. My personal editorial was addressing unprofessional name calling and constant negativity seen in the press and showcased with Matt's latest tirades. I never once said I think the HD removal decision was actually good.

HA! We should end this right now with that. Instead of dancing around your hypocrisy and whether or not this article should have been written about Matt’s “unprofessional rant” or about the actual issue, HD, and let’s instead look at the actual mailbag that Matt posted this “rant” in. Let’s do it now.


Matt responds: I hear you. I should note that my e-mail box was flooded with angry e-mail about this issue. I got thousands of e-mails over the weekend and I'm sure Nintendo of America's customer service department got a good chunk, too.

A lot of people seem to be upset about Nintendo’s recent announcement. Nothing unprofessional there I must say.


So, as could be predicted, it's time for a good old-fashioned rant. It's been, what, at least a week, right?

Oh no, he said the word rant! Grab your torches! He’s tellinmg us he’s about to give us his opinion about Nintendo’s decision, he uses the word rant, O M G. Evil…


As some readers have already pointed out, Revolution's lack of high-definition support is particularly painful for me because I've long been a self-admitted technology nut. I'm the earliest of early adopters and have therefore already been on the high-definition bandwagon for several years. So sure, that sucks for me, but the bigger disappointment is the reasoning behind this decision, which is to save money. I hate to make absolute statements and so I won't. Clearly Nintendo still innovates. But in recent years, I've found that the company as a whole has taken fewer risks simply because it has been afraid to lose cash. This was why it ultimately didn't include DVD-playback in GameCube. (Note that Revolution is supposedly a pure gaming device, too, but it will play DVDs with a dongle.) It was why it didn't develop an online model this generation, despite momentum for online gaming on the other systems. And now it seems to be the reason why it won't include high-definition support in Revolution.

Here he begins with how he is a technology nut and how this sucks for people like himself. Then he addresses the causes for Nintendo’s decision, which is money. He says they still innovate, but don’t like to take such large risks on the technology front and cites examples: DVD playback in GCN, online this past generation, and now HD with Revolution. No bias or unprofessional conduct in my book.


If you read any Nintendo message board at the moment, you'll see that fans everywhere are upset over this decision. There are also those who couldn't care less. They don't have a high-definition television at present and have no immediate plans to buy one. That's of course fine for them. But the thing is, there are people that do and every day there are more of them. Fact is, both Microsoft and Sony are pushing high-definition for their new systems, but Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 will still work on analog sets. Gamers with old TVs will never know what they are missing. On the other hand, HDTV owners who see just how great Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 games look in high-definition will know exactly what they're missing every time they boot up Revolution and its games look low-res by comparison. Do you think any HDTV owner is going to be happy about that?

Once again, many, many fans are upset with this, I agree, I’m one of them. Then there are those that care less, I think mot of the people that have posted here would take that stance. He says they don’t have a HD set, and don’t want to buy one, true, in fact that’s been discussed here many times. But, many people do have HD sets, and many more will in the near future because Sony and Microsoft are going to make sure it happens. Not to mention those without the HD can still play the 360 and PS3 on their old analog sets, they’re not missing anything they don’t want to. So those that do or will have HD will be missing out on Revolution, and that’s a shame. No bias, nope, no unprofessional conduct either.


The new generation hasn't even started yet, and already Nintendo has alienated a growing market of gamers. Worse, it's alienated the early adopters, whom you want first and foremost to be in favor of your next system if you're a hardware manufacturer.

He says that Nintendo is already alienating a growing market of gamers, which is true, many causal gamers like big expensive toys, and HD is the next thing. Early adopters are also very often those with the biggest wallets for electronics, and likely are the small percentage that own HDs today. Any bias, yadda, yadda? Nope.


Videogames are technology-driven and yet Nintendo continues to dismiss new, important technologies. It's unfathomable. It's like a painter throwing away his paintbrushes because they are too expensive. I mean, I've tried to understand this approach, but I don't think it can be understood. No matter how you look at it, it makes no sense.

He says here, and now we get to his OPINION, that games are technology driven. In every single generation that has been true. The new system was always better graphically, first and fore-most. When people initially saw the choppy 360 games they were like, “That’s next gen?” Then when they saw the PS3 demos at E3 they said, “That’s next gen!” Why? Better graphics, it’s what drives people to buy new consoles, it’s what casuals want. He paints (get it) a similar example to a painter throwing away a brush because it’s too expensive, he doesn’t think it makes sense, and does it? The answer to that is you opinion, feel free to express it in a column, that’s what they are for, is it not?


Nintendo's public excuse here will of course be that it is investing in new technology: just a different kind. It will say that graphics have reached a saturation point, which they haven't. (That's such public relations garbage. Until I can boot up a game that perfectly recreates reality so that the game world is indistinguishable from the real, graphics have not reached a saturation point.) It will say that gamers will understand everything when they see the new "revolutionary" controller. And you know, that might actually be true. The device might be the best thing ever. But with Nintendo, why does it always come down to an either/or decision? In this case, we either get high-definition games, or we get a weird, new controller. Why does a major sacrifice always have to made in order to innovate? Why can't we have both? It's such an off-the-wall approach to appeasing consumers. Imagine if Toyota came out and said, "Well, our new Camry will have a revolutionary new steering wheel, but because we're emphasizing this new wheel, we've cut down on horsepower by 300 percent." It'd be a disaster. And still, this is how Nintendo works, and everyone just accepts it.

he talks about how Nintendo says that graphics have reached a saturation point, and says until games look exactly like real-life that isn’t true. Looking at the demos for those PS3 games I have to agree, we have not reached a saturation point this generation. He then says that Rev’s controller could be the best thing ever, and that would be wonderful, but why does that come at the price of technology like HD. Why not both? He says it’s a very strange way to please customers, because while you please some, you dismiss others, when Nintendo could very easily please both. He gives another example of Toyota coming out with a car with a revolutionary wheel, but cutting gown the power by 300%, no one would buy it. Exaggeration, sure, but it gets his point across, Nintendo is giving us one or the other instead of both, and that’s bad for business no matter how you look at. (Those that say it’ll cut down price, it won’t by very much, don’t forget X-Box has HD, and that’s four year old technology that Revolution will be much more powerful than). I can see how that could be falsely interpreted as bias, but it’s not, it’s opinion.


No. As usual, I don't think Nintendo's decision to forego high-definition has anything to do with consumer benefits. It's thinking about itself. Which -- you know -- is kind of crap since we're all consumers and none of us are in fact Nintendo.

He says that Nintendo is clearly thinking about itself (which is true, it wants to save a small penny) by screwing over all the gamers who have HD, which is a rapidly increasing number of people, and that’s not very fair. He did say the word crap though, grab the rifle.


Gloom and doom mostly over. I'm quite sure that despite this lunatic decision Revolution will have its unique appeal. It'll still have a place in my living room. But I think it will become more niche due to a domino effect that's sure to happen. I predict less third-party support because cross-platform ports are sure to be more difficult. And as a result, I'm sure Revolution -- like GameCube -- will become a console for Nintendo fans.

He calls the decision to not include HD lunatic (after spending nine paragraphs explaining why with both facts and opinion), which is a little harsh, but to call unprofessional is a little silly. He says Rev’ll have it’s unique appeal and will have a place in his living room, but it looks like it’ll become a niche console because of domino effect. OMG, the horrible, horrible man! How could he predict such a horrible thing!?! Oh yeah, it just happened with GameCube.


Will there still be great games? Undoubtedly. Does that make Nintendo sane? Nope. It's officially crazy.

He says there will be great games, the biased bastard! Does it make Nintendo sane? Nope crazy. Unprofessional? Please, he has now given ten paragraphs backing up why this is a terrible and simply baffling decision Nintendo has made, which translates into crazy.

Oh no, he did use the word crazy though, and the word lunatic the paragraph before! Forget everything else, and, oh no, a picture of Matt punching Mario!!!! Oh no, he’s bias, he’s evil, he hates Nintendo, he clearly is unprofessional. That picture isn’t funny, he’s insulting all of Nintendo, omg, how could he!  That equals immature little boys (and girls I suppose) who are too scared of something bad happening with Nintendo and instantly hate anyone who speaks out against them, by ignoring eleven paragraphs to focus on two words and a clearly humorous picture of Matt punching Mario. GROW UP.


My friend, you miss the point completely. When you attack a corporate logo, you are in essence, attacking everything it stands for. If attacking a symbol of corporate power is acceptable behavior, where do we go next? What else does he find funny? Attacking a nun? Attacking a judge? Attacking a Prostitute? Yeah, funny, funny like a heart attack. You obviously don't know crap when you see it.

If Matt went to Japan, hired some bad guys, and took to NoJ headquarters with spray paint and wrote everywhere about how much Nintendo sucked and decapitated all the mascot statues there and pegged them through glass and destroyed all the computers and then proceeded to put all the papers together and light them on fire while they roasted some smores, I’d agree with you. Get a grip, get a sense of humor, and look past your blind Nintendo love/IGN hatred (which you only have because of what some people say here) and see the picture for what it really is; a joke. And then laugh and say, “Wow, that is funny.”


Oh, and by the way, you never answered my question as to whether or not you are the real Matt.

Well I think there are quite a lot of Matt’s out there, and all of them are “real” Matts. However, I am not one of them, I am a Brandon.


The Dreamcast launched several months earlier than the PS2 I believe (I could be wrong) so the missing DVD-support didn't even have much of an influence on the Dreamcast's sales. Like I said before, the sole reason why the PS2 sold much more than the DC was because of Sony's skill in the marketing departement, despite the fact that the DC had better software and hardware than it's competitor.

It did have an effect. Looking at retailer bias, which is everywhere in this industry, when people came in and saw the Dreamcast and then saw the picture of the PS2 across the wall the guy over the counter said, “That one has better graphics and plays DVDs, which is what movie are made for now, one thousand times better quality.”


I refuse to believe that the HD-industry will bloom that much in a matter of months and chances of this actually happening = slim. Accomplishing this in a period of 1,5 - 2 years is more likely.

With HD growing cheaper and cheaper by the day, all the big companies, especially Sony and Microsoft and big retailers like Best Buy, shoving HD so far down people’s throats it’s actually choking them, and the fact that Revolution isn’t coming out for another 1-1.5 years then yes it will make that much of a decision. Especially since 360 and PS3 will be out (PS3 with blu-ray no less) and they’ll be saying how incredible and necessary the HD is, so of course, all the guys behind the counters will be saying the same thing. “Nintendo, eh, that’s for kids, you want a 360 or PS3 – they’ve got killer graphics, killer games, PS3 has Blu-ray, and they have HD, which is like seeing the picture on the TV in real life. Seriously, it’s amazing.” “Oh, ok, we’re about do for a new TV soon anyhow, I’ll go with PS3, we don’t have a Blu-ray player yet either.”


It is only natural for a company like Nintendo to have a lesser amount of users than the number they had in the NES-era. Back then, they practically had a monopoly of the videogames business, something which isn't the case at present. More serious rivals equals a declining userbase. The same thing would happen with Microsoft if a big company with the potential of Sony to attract customers released software à la Windows, Linux etcetera. Shaking of their kiddy image won't help Nintendo regain a monopoly position, only a "slight" increase (note to " ") of customers.

Only natural? Nintendo did have a monopoly over the video game industry about 20 years ago, and now that it’s grown by millions and millions they’ve decreased from 90% market share to 10%? That’s not natural, that’s terrible. Even with new competitors, Nintendo is big business, and has lots of money (billions and billions). They should be at least within 5 or 10% of the leader (if not the leader themselves), it’s sad to see such a decrease, and it is most certainly not natural.


Now, I'm not trying to declare you as stupid or anything, but DVDs weren't designed to be competitive with CDs; it belonged to a different media market. All that people knew at the time, was that if they wanted to listen to music, they needed CDs (which surpassed audio tapes) and that they needed a VCR + VHS-tapes in order to watch movies. DVD caused a decline for the VHS-market, not for the CD-market in short. MP3 was the cause of the latter.

Yes, I am aware that DVD replaced VHS and not CDs; however, when people first saw them they said, hey look a CD. I have a VHS for movies, what do I need to put them on a CD for? It wasn’t until they were told by the big companies like Sony that DVD was not only a thousand times better than VHS, but held way more than a CD, and was absolutely necessary to have it. they initially viewed DVDs as CDs with movies instead of music, but they were molded into believing DVD was best thing to ever happen in electronics. Something similar is already happening ith HD, and we’re about to reach the real big HD overflow come the end of this year and next when Microsoft and Sony through everything they have into making the consumer believe HD (as well as Blue-ray of course) is the future, and the best thing since sliced bread.


i stopped reading when i heard that firs tof all gta is an innovative idea for ps...
erm
gta camer out like a bazzilian yesrs before the ps... or 5... al they did was change it from top view to 3rd person, which was bound to happen anyway..
i then proceeded to throw up when it was mentioned that a ps game rivals that of zelda
NOTHING IN THE PAST, PRESENT OR FUTURE COULD EVER RIVAL ZELDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m not saying it is better, but Ico is a very good game, and I do believe it puts up a good fight against Zelda when it comes to quality and gameplay and graphics (in fact so far I think it wins, Ico is a masterpiece to look at). Oh and I do for fact enjoy RE4 more than any LoZ game I’ve ever played, and that is coming out on PS2 this year. GTA, like it or not (I don’t really) certainly did innovate in it’s insane presentation of a whole city where you can really do whatever you want and be a bad ass. There’s a reason so many games are adapting that style these days, and also why millions upon millions of people have picked up GTA: SA since it’s release last year.


B.F., you miss the point. This has nothing to do with the letter writing campaign. The point is that there is not enough demand to support HD at this time. That's a fact. Secondly, while Matt has a right to his opinion, he has a history of crushing dissent with those who think otherwise. Anytime someone tries to raise the issue with him, he lashes out at others with accusations of fanboyism. That's a fact. Matt dictatorial editiorial policy leaves no room for dissent, discussion, or even debate. And it further reinforces the notion that Matt is an overgrown juvenile adolescent, who cannot control his hostility and aggression. Not the kind of image that you wish to project as a professional organization.

Matt has no problem with someone debating an issue with him about a particular subject, but when certain people lash out against him for showcasing his opinion about something rightfully takes offense. And as I have shown above, Matt is not some over aggressive, disillusioned, and misinformed little boy pissed off at the world, but he effectively showcases his stance in the situation with facts and explanations, and then some opinion. Oh, and what do you people expect him to say for his opinion anyway? He said lunatic and crazy, oh no, hold the press. It’s important to get your opinion across as well as the facts; even if Matt uses big bad words like lunatic and crazy next to a picture of Matt punching a digitally inserted Mario


Flaming, insults, ignorant remarks, rude, etc....in the mailbag is a reflection upon IGN. The lack of poise, professionalism, good judgement and character while serving as a representative of IGN...that is the point.

Ha! Exaggeration, exaggeration.


Have you thought for a moment that perhaps Nintendo may have a huge selling point over them?

From what I’ve seen so far they sure as hell don’t. Nintendo isn’t following the popular trend, they’re doing what they want, and I think that’s great cause I love Nintendo, most gamers don’t agree, and Nintendo’s sales will suffer because of it.


Best Buy Guy: [voice in puberty range] We carry HDTV's so you can play your cool Xbox360 or PS3 games on it in super duper HD. It's got gigwatts.

Me: [Deep threatening voice] Look kid, wipe your nose, it's running, get me a Revolution or I'll hook up one of these video cameras to the HDTV display and shove it so far up your ass, the whole store will be playing a First Person Shitter.

Yes, yes indeed. That will happen, with the Nintendo fan, not the regular gamer, which is why Revolution is looking more and more to be for Nintendo fans before all else. Niche indeed.

Jesus tap dancing christ!!! With all this opinion crap Ill state mine!!!
HD...need it? No I dont need it. HD...want it in Rev? No I dont want it in my Rev. Other people who do want HD, do I care? No not one fuc*kin bit!!! Thats as basic as it gets I dont want or plan on owning an HDTV so this feature has no difference and makes no difference to my eyes at least. And I know my friend owns a $3300 HDTV and Ive played Halo 2 on it, frankly looks the same as any other tv except his is bigger then my 27 " inch lol. Frankly Matt is a dick and likes dicks aswell, his opinion means shit to me cause I hate that man so very much. Mach I salute you for your valor and everyone else wake up and smell the moca coffee, Matt sucks.. do you really want to suck aswell?

What a perfect example of immaturity and unfounded hatred toward Matt. When you buy Revolution and find after a year 80% of third-party games aren’t coming to the console because the system sold poorly because Nintendo dismissed what most casual (and many hardcore) gamers want, I think you might be sad, I sure as hell will. By the way I don’t think Mat’s sexual preference (which you haven’t the slightest idea of) has anything to do with his opinion on video games and his journalism.


Calling Matt an "honest" journalist is like calling Hitler a moral man. Matt and company consistently leave out facts that don't agree with his agenda. He is a bullying agressive boor, who is only interested in stirring up controversy to draw people to his website.

No, there is nothing humorous about Matt Cassamassina, nothing at all. Someone who ridicules his co-workers(deserving or not), jokes about fondling strangers, etc, does not have any sense of what real humor is.


Nintendo is not an anti-Nintendo freak? Gee I didn't know a videogame company could be biased against itself! I think you meant Matt is not anti-Nintendo.

To be honest, if Matt is such a great fan of Nintendo, he has a strange way of showing it. When you constantly pick at any real or perceived flaws, then you aren't coming off as being . Matt himself once said that the only reason he originally got a Nintendo console was because he couldn't afford to buy two.

And where is this "tidal wave" of disaster that you are talking about? How is HD going to change the video gaming industry? Can you tell me? Because I can't see it. If anything, its Sony and Microsoft that are heading towards disaster, with their insistence on driving consoles out of the hands of the average consumer.


In short, Matt is not some frustrated fanboy. He is a master polemicist, who is only interested in bashing those who disagree with him. Its like Observer once said, Matt is never happy with anything Nintendo does, no matter how good it is.

Comparing Matt to Hitler now, never stop do you? he can’t joke with his colleagues, you’re not going to have much fun at your job. So he’s not allowed to get upset at something Nintendo does? He’s not allowed to express his opinion when something happens which he finds important involving Nintendo in a negative way? You call him a fanboy. And if you think Microsoft and Sony are the ones heading to disaster, you’ve really lost your mind, you might say you’re crazy! Oh no, I said crazy, ahh, I better grab a weapon to defend myself.


Matt over-reacted too much and his crybaby antics has been trying to get some attention. I think its really shallow, its obvious that his favoring over HD is what is driving him insane because Nintendo is not riding where he wants them to, being a tech goth and all.

It was ok for him to express his distaste but HOW he did it, he got carried away. Even his futile campaign on having visitors email Nintendo, I don’t think it will guarantee anything unless Nintendo does really reconsider his stupid HD concern.

He got real carried away, two words and a Nintendo threatening picture, oh no, Mr. Iwata, Matt just slapped yo mother! Of course it won’t guarantee anything, but it sure as hell is worth a shot, as the thousands of people (myself included once again), and more importantly fans, who do actually care about HD might be able to get Nintendo to at least reconsider its decision.


Goodness people, how many times must I say that Nintendo is possibly coming out with a completely new way to even view the games so HD could be irrelevent.

Changing the way we play. Remember?


Back in the day when the first automobile manufacturer said we won't include a carburettor on our next car, do you think people called them idiots or waited to see what fuel injection was all about?

Don’t honestly expect that Nintendo is going to alter the way we see video games. That patent that was flying around before was told to be something that simply helps make developing easier, it won’t really go noticed to the average gamer, and I think it’s obvious at this point that the Nintendo On video was fake. No they didn’t call them idiots, because they were using new, better technology. What’s happening here is Nintendo is no including the current new technology but instead making a unique way to play. Which is fine, and I do love the touch screen on the DS, but I’ve yet to play a game that can even reach my top ten list of games from the system, and if I ever do, I don’t think the touch screen is going to be reason. Games make the system, even if the system can sense your brainwaves or whether it has a d-pad and two buttons.

Well, I guess that about wraps it up for now, it’s late I have to get up early, sheesh, I’m such a geek. :) But alas, I think I’ve said all I wanted to say through all of my replies.

Bowser
06-20-2005, 06:57 AM
If Matt went to Japan, hired some bad guys, and took to NoJ headquarters with spray paint and wrote everywhere about how much Nintendo sucked and decapitated all the mascot statues there and pegged them through glass and destroyed all the computers and then proceeded to put all the papers together and light them on fire while they roasted some smores, I’d agree with you. Get a grip, get a sense of humor, and look past your blind Nintendo love/IGN hatred (which you only have because of what some people say here) and see the picture for what it really is; a joke. And then laugh and say, “Wow, that is funny.”


No, I'll take a look at and say, wow, what an ass. So lemme get this straight. a man constantly gripes about Nintendo all the time, finding fault no matter how insignificant, then punches the company mascot to boot? If this were a real person, wouldn't that qualify as assault? The man wouldn't know humor if it him on the head. As for the suggestion that I am some sort of blind fanboy, that, my friend, is a laugh. If you had bothered reading any my posts, you would know that I am for FAIR, HONEST criticism, not whiny ass, pouty diatribes. Get a grip. As for blind fanaticism, I think you turn around and look in the mirror. And as for the rest of it, I really don't have time to get into it. It would help if you didn't write such long rambling pieces. Break it down into managable bits, and perhaps I'll answer it.

Mach
06-20-2005, 07:11 AM
What's this talk of extremes?

I guess Im a Rush Limbaugh of the reactionary wing of the gaming media.

And proud to be.

Teh Roxor!
06-20-2005, 07:29 AM
My friend, you've missed the point. My point is that we are lucky to be in the position that we are. Look at us, we are lucky to even have television sets, much less good ones. And yet, we are reduced to arguing about some insignificant feature, and that is the point.
I got that much. But what was the point of your point? That's what people (specifically, we, the Internet dwelling people) do.
Anyway, I want to make clear I do not "hate" Matt Cassamassina. As a matter of fact, I don't really care what he does. Keep in mind that I read his pages for four years. FOUR YEARS, and not once did he ever get the facts straight. Matt allows his juvenile temper tatrums to interfere with the quality of his journalism, and Nintendo is getting a black eye for it. How many people read the IGN pages? And how many of them get their news exclusively from it? That's the crux of the matter right there. As a journalist, he is supposed to have high standards for honesty and integrity. People are supposed to be able to rely on his news for accurate information, but all they get is a daily temper tantrum from the boss. This is killing IGN on a professional level. All the news, mailbags, editorials, and even some of the previews carry it. Matt has become so blind to his hatred, that he has let it color his journalism, and it shows.Remarks like this one always make me feel like we are talking about two different people. I would like for you to point out some instances where his "facts were not straight." And why do you keep saying he is dishonest? He is certainly not lying.

I don't think he's killing IGN either. This is the way IGN has always been. This is more or less how they became so popular.
Now what do you think the average reader is going to get from this, the ones that don't read other pages like this? They're going to read them, and adopt the same distorted viewpoint. That's the point. Matt is misleading readers about Nintendo, and he doesn't care if you do. But of course, Matt's viewpoint is always Gospel truth, and no one should ever dare to question it right?
Why is his viewpoint "distorted" while yours or mine is not? What exactly makes our viewpoint the "Gospel truth?" And who said nobody should question Matt? People do. And when he takes the time to respond, he makes a rebuttle that to him, makes sense.
If we don't do anything to stand up to such aggressive tactics, and boorish behavior where does it stop? Tell me. Because if one person gets away with it, then EVERYONE can.
Tactics like what? Free expression of opinion? Yes, let's put an end to that.
So there you go. If you want to be deceived by his platform of deceit and lies, go ahead. It doesn't bother me. But I'm concerned with those who are actually have fallen for what he says. Well, I'm tired of it. I'm tired of his lies, I'm tired of his childish temper tantrums, I'm tired of his assinine and unprofessional behavior, which stoops well below acceptable standards, and as a matter of fact, I'm just plain tired of him. So don't mind me if I choose to vent a little steam. I think I've earned it.
Look... it's not as bad as you think. There are people like me who read the crap he puts out and while we don't always agree with it, we still manage to find informative and well thought out passages in his articles.

I don't understand why you are "tired of him." It's not like you are forced to read the free articles offered by IGN.
Oh, and by the way, the Mario thing was really not funny. Really. His idea of humor stoops well below that of fifth grade bathroom antics.
Let me tell you why I think it's funny. I think it's funny because of the reactions from people like you. Taken out of context though, you are right. It's not funny. ;)

bobo_ess
06-20-2005, 07:31 AM
I Liked the editorial Mach...It was a good read

Mach
06-20-2005, 08:32 AM
Good God, did Neo9 paste the script for Lord of the Rings Return of The King with his last post?

Are we supposed to read that or use it as an excercise tool for our fingers as we scroll to the next post?

PornSharK
06-20-2005, 09:00 AM
Regarding this topic.. I think I should recommend reading bobo_ess' signature. I think all points from both sides have been told? I dunno... I just feel like we're going in circles already.

Flamin Scotsman
06-20-2005, 01:19 PM
omg so much reading, i got bored
neo, you missed my point, gta came out for the pc,, loads of yesrs before.
the only real difference betwen it now and then, is the size and graphics, oh, and that you can enter buildings.
Also,
zelda isnt my favourite game either, i prefer rpgs. But nothing can ever still comne as close to zelda. It may not be my favourite althoight its up there with the best. and it may not be your favourite. It still is the best. In a poll if zelda was voted number 2 by everybody, and number one fluctuated, like im sure it would.. zelda would still come up top, by comparinh points. It isa game which appeals to pretty much everybody.

Bowser
06-20-2005, 04:26 PM
I got that much. But what was the point of your point? That's what people (specifically, we, the Internet dwelling people) do.
Remarks like this one always make me feel like we are talking about two different people. I would like for you to point out some instances where his "facts were not straight." And why do you keep saying he is dishonest? He is certainly not lying.

My point was, and is still is, that HDTV is not the wave of the future. It is a side issue, and will not really matter when the Revolution really hits. I have a strong feeling that when it comes out, that people will be so blown away by its features, that things like HD won't really matter. What really matters is great gameplay, and I think we are on the crest of a really huge wave. He doesn't tell the whole truth. Like for instance, once he said that Nintendo was not in "direct competition" with Nintendo. Just small things like that. He fudges the quotes, to make it look like Nintendo said something it didn't.

I don't think he's killing IGN either. This is the way IGN has always been. This is more or less how they became so popular.

Well, if that's the way they've always been, its a surprise to me, because I didn't see that during the N64 days.

Why is his viewpoint "distorted" while yours or mine is not? What exactly makes our viewpoint the "Gospel truth?" And who said nobody should question Matt? People do. And when he takes the time to respond, he makes a rebuttle that to him, makes sense.

Really? Because it doesn't really make sense to me. Matt cannot tell the truth from one moment to the next. He lies so much, that he can't even keep his story straight. When Nintendo made the deal to land the Resident Evil series, he said that the only reason that Capcom signed with Nintendo was over money, . Then when Capcom decided to port Resident Evil 4 over to the PS2, it was because Capcom once "loved" Nintendo, but were more interested in money. So what is it? Was Capcom in it for love or money? Matt can't even get his story straight. Matt only answers letters that will make him look good. Look at the letters section the next time he writes a mailbag. Are there any "well thought out" letters in there? Where are the hardhitting questions? Because you won't find them there. And that's the whole point. He makes out any honest questioner to be a rabid fanboy, that the other side has nothing but hate and anger. And that's what ticked me off about him.

BTW-he often writes letters to himself in the mailbag. Another sign of professionalism.

Tactics like what? Free expression of opinion? Yes, let's put an end to that.

You don't get it now do you? Fine, let me explain. Matt is only interested in free speech as long as Matt is the one speaking. But try to challenge him, and he goes berserk. He savages readers, calls them names, and he when he's not doing that, he chooses to ignore the readers, or at least picks letters that represent only his point of view. This is fairness? This is freedom of expression? If this is what he calls "freedom", then I want no part of it.

Look... it's not as bad as you think. There are people like me who read the crap he puts out and while we don't always agree with it, we still manage to find informative and well thought out passages in his articles.


Well, I'm glad you don't always agree with him, but you're doing no good by defending him. If he is such a good thinker, then why doesn't he think of putting in letters contrary to his point of view? He could at least do that. Or allow guest editorials. Look, I'm saying he hasn't changed somewhat, but only because he has been FORCED to by people like Observer, who have called him to the carpet for his bully-boy tactics, but its still there.

I don't understand why you are "tired of him." It's not like you are forced to read the free articles offered by IGN.

I don't. Obviously you missed the part where I said I stopped reading his articles. One can only tolerate so much of his bilge for so long.

Let me tell you why I think it's funny. I think it's funny because of the reactions from people like you. Taken out of context though, you are right. It's not funny. ;)

You know what I is funny? I think that its funny that anyone who utters a word of protest to Matt is instantly muzzled by him. Matt acts like a hormonally imbalanced juvenile who has been placed in charge of the high school class. You simply cannot have someone like that in charge of a major publication. Where is the professionalism, the maturity? I don't see it.