Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Discussion Thread Part 1

[Matt]

http://mypage.bluewin.ch/auslander/SnakeEater.wmv

[JoshD]

Mirror: http://game.mairu.net/movies/SnakeEater.wmv

Game looks great. I hope we get some playing time outside like this movie suggest.

[Scott R. Mraz]

HOLY SHIT, even with that shitty ass quality video that is AMAZING.

[Yogarine]

WTF? Did I miss something...? Is this an official movie...!? I always thought the full title would be: Metal Gear Solid 3: The Patriots...

Did I miss something? :shock:

[psychogenicscc]

Yeah I just finished seeing this on gamerfeed.com and I almost crapped in my pant this game already looks great.Rambo returns as solid snake as the game returns to the original roots.

[Matt]

But instead of Rambo, Solid Snake it THE man, and MGS has a good storyline.....

[imported_Anonymous]

I think the leaked trailer (which is the baddest, lemme say), is part of a bigger trailer that may be shown at E3. I certainly hope so, cuz that jank looks hot! It doesn't show much stealth, so I'm almost certainly right. [/u]

[Scott R. Mraz]

Anyone download that direct feed IGN trailer yet? If so please post so I can obtian it.

[Scott R. Mraz]

UPDATE DIRECT FEED VIDEO: http://jpn01.konami.co.jp/movie/mgs3/mgs3_e32k3_e.asf


They have the full DIRECT FEED trailer (all 12mins. - 30mb) So hit that link if you want the full sick ass trailer!

This is a new link as the old one was taken down. I should have the source of the direct-feed one soon, but this on is still amazing, A MUST DONWLOAD.... BTW MATRIX RELAODED IS FREAKING AMAYZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yogarine]

You're actually gonna play with Big Boss in MGS3! Ohh yeah! :P
This is the official Konami MGS3 site btw:

http://www.konamijpn.com/products/mgs3/english/

[Stormracer]

Wow, the game seems really ambitious. Can Konami pull this off? Can they really top Son's of Liberty in plot and graphics?

I'm really in disbelief that we'll be able to play this soon.

[Matt]

I think that they will be able to pull it off. I think that it's Konami's purpose to better themsleves when it comes to the MGS series.

[imported_Anonymous]

I watched the full 12 minute E3 trailer (many, many times I might add), and visited the website. There isn't any plot given away at all, but I think Hideo Kojima is trying to trick everyone again. The 1960s? That's dumb. Besides, the dates it goes thru are the dates Kojima, Shinkawa, Williams, and..the concept designer (I forget his name) were all born in the 1960s. THEN in the trailer it's like, "only the snake is the true hero." I dunno, we'll see a year from now, eh? :oops:

[imported_Anonymous]

Don't let those IGN dirtbag capitalist pigs cheat you out of some good MGS! Go to www.konamijpn.com/products/mgs3/english/movie_index.html :D

[Matt]

Don't let those IGN dirtbag capitalist pigs cheat you out of some good MGS! Go to www.konamijpn.com/products/mgs3/english/movie_index.html :D

Nice to see that someone shares my opinon of IGN :)

[liquid_snake]

The game looks amazing, I just hope it has original "bad guys". :mrgreen:

[Matt]

Yea, like vampires!

People living through arms!

Strange fat people!

Russian ninjas!

.....And much more! :D

[stanDarsh]

has anyone seen the new TGS trailer for MGS3?

If you havent you should, its awesome!

[solidus]

For my part: Most Wanted Game Ever
Just waiting for this game and DBZ: budokai2

It's like everyone is just waiting for the next GTA while it's probably gonna be the same as the previous ones except a new map and some new cars

Sorry for going off course and my spelling.

[Omega Blue]

It's like everyone is just waiting for the next GTA while it's probably gonna be the same as the previous ones except a new map and some new cars

Sorry for going off course and my spelling.

haha oh yeah people sure are gonna trust your judgement after you think Killzone is overated. :roll: obviously you have a hard time keeping up and doing "some" searching on info on games.

[solidus]

It's like everyone is just waiting for the next GTA while it's probably gonna be the same as the previous ones except a new map and some new cars

Sorry for going off course and my spelling.

haha oh yeah people sure are gonna trust your judgement after you think Killzone is overated. :roll: obviously you have a hard time keeping up and doing "some" searching on info on games.

I research almost every game that i am interested in, so that includes Killzone. I have said i like it but think it's overrated AND I have stated SO many times; ITS MY OPPINION!!!!!!!
Just let it go and post some usefull things.

[Omega Blue]

It's like everyone is just waiting for the next GTA while it's probably gonna be the same as the previous ones except a new map and some new cars

Sorry for going off course and my spelling.

haha oh yeah people sure are gonna trust your judgement after you think Killzone is overated. :roll: obviously you have a hard time keeping up and doing "some" searching on info on games.

I research almost every game that i am interested in, so that includes Killzone.

obviously not. :roll:

[solidus]

Won't you just stop it.

Do you have some magic glasses that miss the word OPPINION everytime you read a reply???????? :roll:

[Matt]

Omega, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just because they don't agree with what you think, it doesn't mean that they are wrong. I'm sure that there are loads of people who disagree with some of your views.....

Wouldn't it be a lot better if, say, you gave reasons why you think it's good, and solidus, you could give reasons why you think it's over-rated.

Another thing; if you're going to discuss Killzone, do it in the Killzone thread from now on.

[big boss]

look man i saw the trailer too. Its terrific, its outrageous.And yeah its in the 1960!! and in simple words its the best video game in history, until another game will stand in its way (duh)......

[big boss]

[quote="solidus"]It's like everyone is just waiting for the next GTA while it's probably gonna be the same as the previous ones except a new map and some new cars

Sorry for going off course and my spelling.

haha oh yeah people sure are gonna trust your judgement after you think Killzone is overated. :roll: obviously you have a hard time keeping up and doing "some" searching on info on games.

I research almost every game that i am interested in, so that includes Killzone.

obviously not. :roll:[/

yo guys calm down.well actually gta will be different there will be 500 cars and over 1000 tracks. and killzone is a very good game too just look at the graphics and weapons....

[Chris Vercetti]

^He's talking about Grand theft Auto,which he should never insult in my presence.Why,best series ever.

Anyways the new MGS3 might just be the best game of all time.Mabe(mabe) even over GTA 3.

[big boss]

ofcourse mgs3 is the best game of all time, i meanits gonna be the best game in history as Hideo Kojima said.Until another game will come against it (but that will be after a long time).

[Chris Vercetti]

It looks like it,but GTA:SA is been in devolopment since Vice city,so I'm looking forward to that too.

[KlawHammer]

lol, yea bigboss. I watched that is a kickass clip. :twisted:

[SSnake]

.Rambo returns as solid snake as the game returns to the original roots.

Its big boss, not solidsnake.

[CloudANDTidus]

*looks up*

Looks like no one lissioned to matts moan about double posting.....

As for RPGs, PS2 has FFX,X-2,XII,Dark Chronicals, Kingdom hearts, unlimited saga and All PSone RPG's. The gamecube has Zelda and er......zelda. The C-box has.......er........crap.

[Pumster]

To even things out and keep an open mind, I'll point out that, for RPGs, the X-Box has Marrowind and Baldur's Gate. (As well as a few Action games with RPG elements in them, like Deus Ex and Shenmue.) And Fable is supposed to be highly anticipated.
The GameCube's slightly better off, especially since GC owners have key titles like Zelda and the upcoming Final Fantasy. Plus, they got Skies of Arcadia, which was cancelled for the PS2, and the Phantasy Star series.
Nevertheless, reverting back to my bias self, neither of the two consoles have a really broad selection of RPGs to choose from. The PS2 has Final Fantasy, Breath of Fire, Arc the Lad, the new Dragon Warrior, (Yes, in America, we have the Warrior series, not Quest.) Kingdom Hearts, the Dark Cloud series, Suikoden, XenoSaga, Star Ocean, Wild Arms, and, a personal favorite I had to add in, the Grandia series.
It's obvious Microsoft wanted the X-Box to have a nice selection of Action titles instead of RPGs, but Nintendo, of course, is trying to be more well-rounded.

By the way, sorry for going off-topic so much. I can't wait for MGS3!

[SSnake]

[quote="Pumster"]To even things out and keep an open mind, I'll point out that, for RPGs, the X-Box has Marrowind and Baldur's Gate. (As well as a few Action games with RPG elements in them, like Deus Ex and Shenmue.) And Fable is supposed to be highly anticipated.
The GameCube's slightly better off, especially since GC owners have key titles like Zelda and the upcoming Final Fantasy. Plus, they got Skies of Arcadia, which was cancelled for the PS2, and the Phantasy Star series.
Nevertheless, reverting back to my bias self, neither of the two consoles have a really broad selection of RPGs to choose from. The PS2 has Final Fantasy, Breath of Fire, Arc the Lad, the new Dragon Warrior, (Yes, in America, we have the Warrior series, not Quest.) Kingdom Hearts, the Dark Cloud series, Suikoden, XenoSaga, Star Ocean, Wild Arms, and, a personal favorite I had to add in, the Grandia series.
It's obvious Microsoft wanted the X-Box to have a nice selection of Action titles instead of RPGs, but Nintendo, of course, is trying to be more well-rounded.

quote]


I know about all the games you talked about, but I didn’t post them because readers will get bored of my post; I just mentioned the big titles for each genre. Secondly, we’re talking bout the upcoming games for the next year; whilst you listed a whole gallery.

[big boss]

It looks like it,but GTA:SA is been in devolopment since Vice city,so I'm looking forward to that too.

Lol, no way there is gonna be a game better than mgs3 (until mgs4 is out and that is after a long time).Ok if you insist that gta:sa is better we'll see when its out and see both games in the market.And wich is more likely by the players (duh mgs3 rules for sure).

:wink: [/quote]

[CloudANDTidus]

I wish people would stop saying "MGS3 is going to rock and be the best game ever!" and "the next GTA is going to kill the compution"

For pitty sake, none of these games are any where near completion. Allthough I beleve they will be good games, compaines DO make blunders and there are the chances of BRAND NEW games beating the shit out of all of them.

[Matt]

*looks up*

Looks like no one lissioned to matts moan about double posting.....

As for RPGs, PS2 has FFX,X-2,XII,Dark Chronicals, Kingdom hearts, unlimited saga and All PSone RPG's. The gamecube has Zelda and er......zelda. The C-box has.......er........crap.

If anyone has read the thread in the announcement forum, then they will understand what I'm going to start doing. So hopefully people will stop doing it.

[Chris Vercetti]

Hey all i said is that GTA:SA is sounding really good.I'm looking forward to MGS 3 jus as much as the next guy.I don't know what your talking about,i never said nothings better that the other.

[NickSCFC]

I wonder what other locations will be in the game. So far I've seen a reasonably large jungle and some caves. Surely there must be some kind of enemy base hidden away in the jungle (maybe the water scene was the opening of the base).

[Omega Blue]

I wonder what other locations will be in the game. So far I've seen a reasonably large jungle and some caves. Surely there must be some kind of enemy base hidden away in the jungle (maybe the water scene was the opening of the base).

you dont read around much do you? Hideo said in an interview most of it takes place outdoors then 1/3 takes place in the enemy base.

[NickSCFC]

Sweet. Most likely full of big robots and comical villains I presume.

[Omega Blue]

their was actually a photograph of a big tank looking thing that was said to be the Metal Gear used in MGS3

[NickSCFC]

I think that it was in the UK official PS2 magazine. Looked very nice.

[Matt]

At Konami's pre-E3 press conference in Los Angeles this afternoon, we caught a lengthy new movie of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, the next in the company's wildly popular stealth action series. The movie was quite a bit longer than the trailer that leaked onto the Internet last week, and after series creator Hideo Kojima finished a brief Q&A session following the movie, we have a clearer understanding of what kind of game Snake Eater is going to be.

The bulk of the movie focused on scenes of Snake sneaking around and fighting in the jungle. No indoor scenes were shown, and Kojima confirmed later that the game does emphasize outdoor combat, although you'll also enter buildings occasionally. We saw a lot of Solid Snake offing enemy soldiers in the jungle--from slashing throats to busting caps, Snake was a veritable killing machine in the demo. The game seemed substantially bloodier than Metal Gear Solid 2 as well. Snake showed off a few interesting moves, like hanging from a tree branch by one arm while firing his silenced pistol at enemy soldiers with the other. It seems like the sneaking and stealth that is the series' trademark will be adapted to a 3D jungle environment.

The trailer showed no dialogue or cinematic sequences whatsoever, instead focusing entirely on gameplay and combat scenes. The presentation did go out of its way to emphasize that Snake is the only hero in the game, so any Raiden fans out there can give up hope of seeing the blonde one's return. When prompted to expound on the game's story afterward, Kojima was mum and said only that more would be revealed next year. Further, when GameSpot's Giancarlo Varanini asked Kojima where on the timeline this new Metal Gear game falls, Kojima would answer only that we should use our imagination. This, coupled with briefly glimpsed phrases during the trailer such as "Back to the origin!" and "1960s" has led to speculation that Snake Eater may in fact be a prequel to the series. Indeed, Solid Snake's age has been called into question, as some members of the GameSpot staff believe he is far too young to appear in a game set in the 1960s. Of course, this depends on the game being set in the 1960s, which itself is a fairly large assumption to make. If we've learned anything from MGS2, it's that we should expect the unexpected from Kojima. Only time will tell if we've made an accurate assessment of the situation.

Further clues to the game's story were revealed in some of the trailer's transitions, which featured a reference to a clash of ideologies and multiple instances of the hammer and sickle, well known as a symbol of the Soviet Union. Couple this with the map seen in the game's teaser image that revealed a portion of Russia, and one wonders: Could Metal Gear Solid 3 involve some sort of Cold War-era political intrigue? Again, this is just speculation, and more information will surely be revealed later on.

Kojima let a few more details slip before he exited the stage. For one, MGS3 will indeed let you hunt and eat animals, as you may have gathered from the previous footage. Further, Snake will develop likes and dislikes over the course of the game, and having him eat his favorite foods will yield extra benefits. In fact, much of the gameplay revolves around surviving in the wild, and the hunting will be just one component of this. Kojima also said that MGS3 does not use the MGS2 engine, but rather an entirely new one. This is primarily because the previous engine was designed for sneaking around on flat surfaces and pressing up against flat walls with right angles--of course, natural terrain is much more random and varied, and the new engine will facilitate its re-creation in the game. In an offhand and very surprising admission, Kojima said the other reason for the new technology is that Konami is planning on creating Metal Gear Online, and the dev team wanted a more generalized engine for use with that upcoming game. Whether or not this comment actually holds water will remain to be seen, but it's quite interesting nonetheless.

Source: Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/)

[SSnake]

one of the reasons the game has these superb-looking grafix is that kojima used XSI 3.5 in developing the game/grafix engine. XSI 3.5 is used in games like HL2 and onimusha 3...

[CloudANDTidus]

their was actually a photograph of a big tank looking thing that was said to be the Metal Gear used in MGS3

What amuses me about that photo was the comany gave it to them in peaces and they had to put it togeather.

The tank makes sense though. This would have to be the first (first model we have seen, there may have been more before this) model of metal gear. So it being less developed make complete sense.

[Pumster]

one of the reasons the game has these superb-looking grafix is that kojima used XSI 3.5 in developing the game/grafix engine. XSI 3.5 is used in games like HL2 and onimusha 3...

Well, I have no idea what XSI 3.5 is. (Which makes me proud, in a way. It makes me feel less dorky, which is already hard to do since I'm posting on a video game message board.) So, I searched for XSI 3.5 articles and found this. (http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=nvda&script=410&layout=9&item _id=422283) Basically, XSI 3.5 is like (Or is, I wouldn't know.) middleware, allowing the developer to edit and render images in real-time. Using this technology, developers can program and render graphics in much less time for various platforms, which, of course, leads to faster production and more chances to add "polish" to other components.

[gamingmonkey2004]

their was actually a photograph of a big tank looking thing that was said to be the Metal Gear used in MGS3

that is correct but this so called tank is only one of the forms that metal gear can turn in to. it can turn into three diffrent forms making metal gear stronger in different types of terrian. well somthing like that if you read game pro then you would know.you know it was the one with the big picture of snake on it :lol:

[Omega Blue]

their was actually a photograph of a big tank looking thing that was said to be the Metal Gear used in MGS3

that is correct but this so called tank is onloy one of the forms that metal gear can turn in to. it can turn into three diffrent forms making metal gear stronger in different types of terrian. well somthing like that if you read game pro then you would know.you know it was the one with the big picture of sanke on it :wink: :shock:

theirs this theory including a Hornet that makes alot of sense pretty cool too.

[SSnake]

their was actually a photograph of a big tank looking thing that was said to be the Metal Gear used in MGS3

that is correct but this so called tank is onloy one of the forms that metal gear can turn in to. it can turn into three diffrent forms making metal gear stronger in different types of terrian. well somthing like that if you read game pro then you would know.you know it was the one with the big picture of sanke on it :wink: :shock:

theirs this theory including a Hornet that makes alot of sense pretty cool too.

Yeah, i read that at gamespot forums, interesting but i don think possible..hell this is kojima expect everything from him..

[Omega Blue]

their was actually a photograph of a big tank looking thing that was said to be the Metal Gear used in MGS3

that is correct but this so called tank is onloy one of the forms that metal gear can turn in to. it can turn into three diffrent forms making metal gear stronger in different types of terrian. well somthing like that if you read game pro then you would know.you know it was the one with the big picture of sanke on it :wink: :shock:

theirs this theory including a Hornet that makes alot of sense pretty cool too.

Yeah, i read that at gamespot forums, interesting but i don think possible..hell this is kojima expect everything from him..

exactly he is kinda crazy in the good way so at this piont im keeping an open mind and expecting anything from him.

[SSnake]

I GOTTA AN AWSOME PIC OF MGS3 THAT U CANT FIND ON GAMING SITE.
I POSTED IT AT THIS FORUM BUT FEW PAID ATTENTION TO IT, SO I'LL TRY TO POST IT AGAIN.

[Matt]

Point 1:

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jx4t-kmr/mac/image/ptk/led.jpg

Point 2:

Instead of writing about posting a picture, could you actually post the picture, otherwise this is a pointless post.

[SSnake]

Hey stop givin me a lecture dude, i had to delve deep to get it. it was an old post at MGS3 forum at GS. It took me some time to get it. I can feel u anxious to get a glimse at it, here it is...

http://www.republika.pl/o_h/snejku.jpg

[SSnake]

Point 1:

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~jx4t-kmr/mac/image/ptk/led.jpg

Point 2:

Instead of writing about posting a picture, could you actually post the picture, otherwise this is a pointless post.

y is writing with caps irritant to everyone on this forum. I cant see any harm in that. Do u?

[CloudANDTidus]

Its anoying.

The only reason to use caps is to make a WORD stand out or to make it look like your shouting.

There is really no other reason I can think of.

[Omega Blue]

Hey stop givin me a lecture dude, i had to delve deep to get it. it was an old post at MGS3 forum at GS. It took me some time to get it. I can feel u anxious to get a glimse at it, here it is...

http://www.republika.pl/o_h/snejku.jpg

thanks alot for the picture dude seriously it looks amazing, im sitting here wondering how exactly Kojima does it? i seriouly hope he atleast has some kind of insight on the MGS for Ps3 (which he did say he wouldn't might doing it he just wont produce it like usual) but in that pic Snake doesn't have his eye missing while in the trailer when hes standing infront of the flames shooting he does? DAMMIT i want answers or the game...

got dammit its only been 5 seconds, oh how thou shall hield thee flask (Matt you should get that one) :: sits ponder how thee shalt now get thee flask:: :cry:

GRR my heads gonna A Splode if MGS3 doesn't come in the next 5 minutes.

[Ress Cor]

first of all you put a picture of snake which was totaly off subject. We were all talking about the new metal gear that was going to be in MGS3. the picture looks good but next time try to keep on subject. I mean if you put a picture of the new metal gear that would be a different story but instead you just made yourself look stuiped. ... Dork.

HAHAAHHHA YOU'RE THE DORK OMG, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Discussion Thread, what the hell is wrong with you, you should be banned, this thread is to discuss anything to do with MGS3.

How could you even most such a thing Monkey brain? I'm very dissapointed in you.

P.S. You dare flame anyone else monkey, I'll sell your body parts on e-bay, you Roj? Did you notice you spelled "stupid" wrong? HAHAHAHAHA what a dummy you are.

[gamingmonkey2004]

HAHAAHHHA YOU'RE THE DORK OMG, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Discussion Thread, what the hell is wrong with you, you should be banned, this thread is to discuss anything to do with MGS3.

How could you even most such a thing Monkey brain? I'm very dissapointed in you.


First of all bird brain I know that this is a MGS3 board and I know that you can talk about anything to do with MGS3, but at the time the picture was posted we were talking about the new metal gear. so why would somone put just a plain old picture of snake on there? If you want to show somthing impressive then show the movie trailer along with all the new MGS3 pictures that were just released. I bet none of you have seen the new picture and details that were just released 3 days ago on the internet. I was going to post the name and link to the site but now you really passed me off. So you ruined it for everyone......stupid......dork. 8)

[Omega Blue]

First of all bird brain I know that this is a MGS3 board and I know that you can talk about anything to do with MGS3, but at the time the picture was posted we were talking about the new metal gear. so why would somone put just a plain old picture of snake on there? If you want to show somthing impressive then show the movie trailer along with all the new MGS3 pictures that were just released. I bet none of you have seen the new picture and details that were just released 3 days ago on the internet. I was going to post the name and link to the site but now you really passed me off. So you ruined it for everyone......stupid......dork. 8)

moron, that is a picture of snake in the next MGS3, i called him snake because i dont know exactly what his name is so im going by snake, this discussion is about MGS3 that picture is from MGS3 it still falls under all catagories monkey turd, leave noob before you make yourself look like even more of a moron.

[gamingmonkey2004]

gamingmonkey2004 wrote:
First of all bird brain I know that this is a MGS3 board and I know that you can talk about anything to do with MGS3, but at the time the picture was posted we were talking about the new metal gear. so why would somone put just a plain old picture of snake on there? If you want to show somthing impressive then show the movie trailer along with all the new MGS3 pictures that were just released. I bet none of you have seen the new picture and details that were just released 3 days ago on the internet. I was going to post the name and link to the site but now you really passed me off. So you ruined it for everyone......stupid......dork.


moron, that is a picture of snake in the next MGS3, i called him snake because i dont know exactly what his name is so im going by snake, this discussion is about MGS3 that picture is from MGS3 it still falls under all catagories monkey turd, leave noob before you make yourself look like even more of a moron.


Exactly I know that the picture was of the new MGS but it is an old picture I have already seen it before. have you personaly seen the new movie trailer a picture that were released 3 days ago........ well have you. I don't thank so. so you should not be telling me that I'm stupid, you don't even know who that is in the picture.......stupid......moron. 8)

[SSnake]

first of all you put a picture of snake which was totaly off subject. We were all talking about the new metal gear that was going to be in MGS3. the picture looks good but next time try to keep on subject. I mean if you put a picture of the new metal gear that would be a different story but instead you just made yourself look stupid. :P ... Dork. :twisted:

1stly, r u sure u were consious when u wrote this????!!!!!
2ndly, apparently u donno anythin about MGS games, snake IS the heart of MGS, man i showed the pic of the games main character, what do u want me to post? master chief's pic? or sam fisher's? and this thread is talkin about MGS3 game including everything in it (in case u don know, my GOD).. an i suggest u stop argueing to prove ur point, just get over it an let's enjoy the pic, man.

[NickSCFC]

have you personaly seen the new movie trailer a picture that were released 3 days ago........ well have you. I don't thank so. so you should not be telling me that I'm stupid, you don't even know who that is in the picture.......stupid......moron. 8)

There's a new trailor?

[axia777]

Enough of that crap, stop filling up posts about non-MGS3 subject matter.

That pic rules! I can't wait for this game. I have a really good feeling that this one is gonna deliver because of all the fan objections to MGS2 and Raiden who deserves to be banned from any game ever made in the future. I have another thought that Kojima took al the objections personally and decided to make up for all that crap in MGS2. I 've also heard the game will span from the jungles to up in the snowy mountains. It wounld be such a dramtic change of survival tactics and would absolutly rule!

[gamingmonkey2004]

Firstly i would like to appologize for those perivious posts and i would like to say that they are not me! its my freind who finds out my password and goes crazy with it so ignore anything that comes from me that is extremly annoying and with a ton of misspelling

[Ress Cor]

Oh crap, can you at least tell me where your firends lives?
P.S. You dare flame anyone else monkey, I'll sell your body parts on e-bay, you Roj?

I need to do this, otherwise the lesson will not be learned :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[SSnake]

Firstly i would liek to appologize for those perivious posts and i would like to say that they are not me! its my freind who finds out my password and goes crazy with it so ignore anything that comes from me that is extremly annoying and with a ton of misspelling

lol, u shouldnt permit this again, man we thought u were outa ur mind.
anyway, happy to find out that it wasnt u.

[Omega Blue]

tell your "friend" that i can slice his throat with a creepy satisfaction. not many people know this but im crazy like that. :shock: :twisted:

[SSnake]

hey Omega, since u mentioned somthin about the hornet thing, would u like me to post it here with pics of course?

[CloudANDTidus]

Firstly i would liek to appologize for those perivious posts and i would like to say that they are not me! its my freind who finds out my password and goes crazy with it so ignore anything that comes from me that is extremly annoying and with a ton of misspelling

You really expect me to beleve that?
Suuuuuuuuure......

Anyway, it would be cool to see snow in a MGS game again.

[gamingmonkey2004]

no it really wasnt me!

something cool in MGS would be quicksand! :D

[Omega Blue]

hey Omega, since u mentioned somthin about the hornet thing, would u like me to post it here with pics of course?

yeah sure, i'll go look for it and post it if i cant find it or if someone else does

[Omega Blue]

alright heres things that are compared to hornets

heres the opening squence of MGS2
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p11d1edd3f4f6d9821d05ea7e70ba1263/f9e7012a.jpg

heres a model of the rumored next MGS in MGS3

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pa5baf8c01aefa5b399c384cb583f59c2/f9e70150.jpg

heres another comparison of Snakes mask as he does a halo jump

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p884d0cda80206a54fda4d2c3ea2f86da/f9e70161.jpg

[gamingmonkey2004]

NICE! i like the comparison by showing the real-life hornet thingy....im glad that they are getting away from the dinosaur type metal gear :D

[CloudANDTidus]

I liked the dino metal gears but this one looks good to. Intresting comparison.......

[SSnake]

I highly think we will see ocelot young in this game. Big Boss knew Ocelot, and u might recall ocelot saying "i left her after the cold war"-meaning russia. so this supports my opinion.

[axia777]

Those pics are very cool. The hormet comparisson makes sense by the look of it. And the quicksand I idea is crazy. What would you do if you got cought by it? Start beating the X button like a madman? If you were getting chased, that would be a screwed situation, espesially if there were dogs on your ass. No time to shoot cause your ass is sinking. Bad stuiff.

I also wonder what the bosses are gonna be like in this one. MGS has always had among the coolest bosses and boss fighjts and I expect that this will ne diffrent. What about a boss battle in the open jungle? If a boss was super camoflaged and you counldn't see his or her, then they shoot/stab from the shadows. The possibilities are endless! Bring it on man!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[SSnake]

i don know about u guys but i never saw such stunning water effects!

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/metalgearsolid3/screens.html?page=6

[NickSCFC]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pa5baf8c01aefa5b399c384cb583f59c2/f9e70150.jpg

Thundercats springs to mind :roll:

[SSnake]

who's the man in the bike?
do u expect to see the ninja?

[Omega Blue]

who's the man in the bike?
do u expect to see the ninja?

the guy on the bike, from the vioce it sounds like Johnny the guy with the really bad stomach problems

[axia777]

Thundercats?? :D How so? What do you mean?

[SSnake]

guys , i gota aproblem, i can't paste some pics, i don know waht to do.. i clicked the img pasted the link and closed it with img but it shows the link but not the pic when i post it... :(

[CloudANDTidus]

At the moment we have BBCode disabled which is why your tags are not working. When BBCode is enabled we have errors and commands jumping up over the page and we don't know why. So until we can figure out what the hell is going on, your codes will not work.

Thats why the codes for your images don't work.
(Note: Also why the quote tags didn't work................)

[SuNnYBoY]

The game look great and all dont get me wrong but i dont thing metal gear solid fits the scenerio..THE JUNGLE!! i mean his name is snake but not monkey..i think its better for him to infritrait systems and hack into files and shit..not eat snakes and wrestle with crocadile's leave that to steve erwin and his baby.

And it seems like it might be one of those one MGS games like VR missons cause it says you gotta eat to survive..there never been food you eat in MGS games except using ration's

Its probably a game to get us ready for the next one on ps3..i mean that can be true since there not going to do anything new to the controllers but more handle grip

[Omega Blue]

The game look great and all dont get me wrong but i dont thing metal gear solid fits the scenerio..THE JUNGLE!! i mean his name is snake but not monkey..i think its better for him to infritrait systems and hack into files and shit..not eat snakes and wrestle with crocadile's leave that to steve erwin and his baby.

And it seems like it might be one of those one MGS games like VR missons cause it says you gotta eat to survive..there never been food you eat in MGS games except using ration's

Its probably a game to get us ready for the next one on ps3..i mean that can be true since there not going to do anything new to the controllers but more handle grip

ah, the post of close minded people, how so funny they are to laugh it, yet can turn so annoying all to quickly...


















j/p :P i like the diffrent scenery tho, it deffinitly gives MGS that new feeling.

[martel]

i dont thing metal gear solid fits the scenerio..THE JUNGLE!! i mean his name is snake but not monkey

Yeah, because you'd never find a snake in a jungle :roll:

And NickSCFC, why Thundercats? Bit more like that Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors cartoon I think :) .

I have no idea what to expect from the next game (other then what I saw in the trailer) and I'd rather not know until I'm playing it :wink: .

[axia777]

The very original Metal Gear on the NES started in the jungle. In fact, half of it took place outside in the jungle. Metal Gear Solid is actually the divergence from the original. Snake moved in and then out of the enemy base. Like Snake Eater. But hey, one would only know this if one played the original game back in the ancient days of video game yore.

[Pumster]

That reminds me, do you think there will be Codec sequences in MGS3? I mean, didn't Snake use a radio in the NES Metal Gear games? After all, no trailer has shown a Codec sequence yet, and it would be an interesting reference to the original games, as well. Think about it.

[Maya 5.0]

No codec like we seen before but just radio chit chat.

[PlaystationFanatic]

I think it would be cool if it was radio talk. And they used the Headset to transmit through.

[SSnake]

I wonder what the BIG SURPRISE kojima was talkin about is..

[GT4 RULZ]

i dont knew if u guys have seen this 2 clips anway check it out its pretty cool
plus u dont have to be a member to view them so enjoy

http://media.playstationpro2.com/mgs3.html

[Matt]

is the BB code OK now? i wanna post some pics.

Don't double-post.

The BBCode is working now.

[Omega Blue]

sometimes i just dont think Kojima gets the respect he deserves

look at the water in the first pic and how the light shines thru the foliage in the second pic.

http://www.playstationpro2.com/images/2003/3/snake_eater3.jpg

http://www.playstationpro2.com/images/2003/5/snake_eater18.jpg

[Matt]

A lot of people think that he gets a lot more credit than he deserves, but still, those pics are good.

[Omega Blue]

i think anyone who can do those type of graphics for the Ps2 deserves all the credit he can get. im pretty sold on this game looking better then Killzone.

[Matt]

Well lets just hope that it has gameplay and a storyline to match.

[Omega Blue]

well even tho MGs2 wasn't as good, it still wasn't bad. so MGS3 can't be any worse then MGS2, im not worried. :wink:

[SSnake]

check this:
http://media.metalgearcentral.com/screens/mgs3/167.jpg

want more?

[Omega Blue]

..yes.. :shock:

[SSnake]

here:
http://media.metalgearcentral.com/screens/mgs3/167.jpg
http://media.metalgearcentral.com/screens/mgs3/166.jpg

[SSnake]

sorry for double posting, but it's faster posting it in 2-2 pics posting.

http://media.metalgearcentral.com/screens/mgs3/165.jpg
http://media.metalgearcentral.com/screens/mgs3/168.jpg

is that the camo index at the top-right corner?

[GT4 RULZ]

those pictures seem to be fake i am not saying that they are fake they just seem to be :?

[SSnake]

I dont know, they look like not running on a PS2. Thats just me i think. also the draw distance seems very large.
But again, i think they're not, they're just too good to be fake or doctored. i mean look at the camo index at the top corner, it seems like in-gameplay. thats MO anyway.[/quote]

[Fats]

It wouldn't surprise me if it was running on the PS2, Hideo Kojima is quite the genius you know... I do see your point though, it's like nothing we've seen on the PS2 before! :shock:

[Ultima X]

Here's some new info about the camoflogue systen in MGS3, and 30 new pics.

Q: You mentioned that Snake loses stamina when in stalking mode, I wondered if you could talk more about the stamina system.

A: That's something we'd like to reveal at E3. Basically, when you walk around in the mountains and you have to climb, you lose stamina, and you have to regain stamina by feeding yourself. One thing you can do in the game is take off the shirt -- wear no camo pattern -- and if you walk around like that you're more likely to lose body temperature and lose stamina.

Q: Is there a consideration for when you're seen, the camouflage index versus the distance from the enemy?

A: Although it is 100%, the enemies do have vision, so if they're really close to you, they'll notice something is wrong, it doesn't look like a tree or something, so then they'll come closer and then they'll spot you.

Q: Are there different types of enemies, human or otherwise? Will there be a difference in how they perceive camouflage indexes?

A: The number only applies to human enemies. There are no camo indexes shown on the screen for animals, but if you want to capture a bird, it's better to be at a higher camo index, blending into the background, so that the bird doesn't see you.

Q: Can you talk about any plans for a pre-release demo for MGS3, and if there are, when we might see it?

A: I really don't know, but there probably will be a time for us to do that.

Q: The hiding part of it extends to Snake, but is there also consideration for hiding bodies, can you use camouflage on bodies? Does your weapon noise factor in?

A: For bodies, you can hide them in the grass, hide them in holes or tree trunks, and you can also carry them to streams or rivers. As for cutting down on the noise, not necessarily weapons, but we want you to make use of the stalking, to walk around slowly and not make any noise. We'll be able to show you more of that at E3.

One thing about the camo uniforms, if you get shot or wounded, there'll be bloodstains, and then your camo pattern will have red stuff on it, and your camo index will go down.

Q: In the movies we saw before this, Snake makes use of his camo to hide, but will there also be enemies in the game that make better use of their own camouflage?

A: Not the typical enemies, but the bosses in the game will be using a lot of different techniques. Again, if I speak more of this, I'll get killed a third time...

Q: In the Twin Snakes, the cutscenes were more stylized. Are you taking that approach with Metal Gear 3?

A: The Twin Snakes demos were done by Ryuhei Kitamura, but for the Snake Eater polygon demos, I'll be working on them myself, so they'll be very Kojima-esque.

Q: On the official website, it mentions there are mountains and streams but also deserts. If there are deserts, what can we expect from them. Also, what kind of animals can you eat and how will that affect your health?

A: It's more like rocky places with no grass -- gameplay-wise, we can't talk about that. We might be showing some scenes from that kind of environment at E3.

There'll be scenes in the game where there'll be fire in the background, or you can light fire in certain spots, so if you wear the fire pattern there, you'll blend in. Snow pattern, of course, there'll be some snowy areas in the game -- that's why we threw that in there. Basically, camouflage is the key part of the stealth gameplay, but it's a passive thing, too. If you want to be a macho, hard-boiled guy like "I'm not going to wear anything," then you don't have to wear any camo. You can just walk around with no t-shirt, and play it your way.

http://www.1up.com/article2/0,2053,1549692,00.asp




Heres some pics also http://www.1up.com/slideshow2/0,2096,a=60797,00.asp

The game is looking really really great so far graphic wise, and stealth wise. Man this E3 is going to be one of the best of all.

[Pumster]

This news couldn't have gotten here at a better time, in my opinion - I don't check sites like IGN and GameSpot that often, so, when I notice a slow news week, it must be bad. With most of the high-profile stuff coming out after April, we're looking at a ton of instances that won't feature much more then screen shot updates. So, when previews like this come out, it's something big. From the looks of things, MGS3 will be much more intense this time around. I hope that Konami makes good use of the gameplay engine this time around. (Cut-scenes are all well and good, but give me some gameplay too!) In addition, I'm hoping for a harder difficulty - if there's a hard mode available at the start, I'm definitely going for it. MGS3 definitely looks like a promising title, and the whole "Big Boss, not Snake" thing is definitely apparent in these new previews. Plus, I'm looking forward to the new intro, which is may, according to GameSpot, feature some interactivity. (How you do that with a DVD movie is beyond me, but we'll have to wait and see.) The no radar [in some areas] thing will definitely put a new spin on everything - its things like that that make you appreciate the system.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/914828_20040316_screen021.jpg
Guy-That-Looks-Like-Snake-Oops-Spoiler, doing his thing.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/914828_20040316_screen005.jpg
Whatever you do, don't mention Ninja Gaiden.

[julps31]

Boy, it looks like the game is really turning out good. I can't wait for E3. Theirs just so many good games coming out this year. I think this is going to be way better than ninja gaiden. Oh, yeah sorry.

[Fats]

Ever since the heartwarming day when we first clapped eyes on footage of Solid Snake attempting to pass himself off as a crocodile at last year's ECTS, we've been convinced that eccentric stealth-obsessed weirdo Hideo Kojima has another effortlessly bonkers but eminently brilliant Metal Gear title for us.

Up 'til now there have been more questions than answers; with the sixties backdrop it makes no sense that we're even playing as "Solid Snake", even if the visual evidence suggests it's our grizzled chum from the previous MGS titles. Konami is still understandably, if annoyingly reticent about most of the game elements, but at least we've finally been privy to some detailed info about the camouflage system.

As you should be able to see in the screenshots accompanying this piece, the Camouflage Index is a vital element of the game. The index indicates how visible you are to the enemy at any given time, and is generated through a number of factors; these are your face paint, your costume and also your posture.

Get the right combination and it's possible to give yourself a 100 percent visibility factor, essentially rendering you invisible to the guards, which means unwitting soldiers can walk within a few inches of you and never even know it. The idiots.

Different postures include lying, crouching, standing, stalking and running, all of which will contribute to a different factor, though you don't have to be Stephen Hawking to work out that if you're moving, you'll be more visible to those fiendish enemy soldiers than if you're lying down. Indeed, running will actually give you a minus five percent rating, as the sound you make as you run will alert the guards.

A spokesperson for Konami ran through various different postures, face paints and costumes; obviously if your face paint and camouflage match your surroundings you'll likely be tougher to locate than if you've opted for a fuschia pink ensemble with a canary yellow bandana to set off the outfit.

Forgetting the camouflage system for a moment, the presentation offered a suitably dramatic soundtrack along with devastatingly handsome exterior shots; tall grass swaying, terrain undulating, and a marked sense of freedom that we hope Konami will manage to retain in the finished game.

The game also promises a bigger playing area, with more room to explore and a less linear approach to gameplay. According to Kojima, "When you start off the game you will have a radar, but throughout the course of playing you'll basically switch between the radar and the stealth index".

Some costumes will be available for download through an online connection, though that's the only online element of the game currently planned. Fans will also be able to submit their own camouflage designs, the very best of which will appear in the game. And oh yeah, one other thing; we want to play this. Properly. Now.

The heart-gladdening news is that MGS: Snake Eater will be playable at E3; we can't promise we won't spend the entire three days of the expo perched obsessively on the MGS stand...

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Chrisk1985/1.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Chrisk1985/2.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Chrisk1985/3.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Chrisk1985/4.jpg

There's actually quite a few new pictures released (34 of them). Troop over to www.computerandvideogames.com to check the rest of them out.[/url]

[Pumster]

I hope you can have really stupid Camouflage Indexes that really stand out, like a Spiderman suit (http://www.top-greetings.com/G.py?P=/art/503/). Hahaha, I'm sorry. Anyway, from the sound of things, it will be much more difficult to handle guards when you're spotted. In addition, the jungle probably won't have many places to hide, which will definitely put more emphasis on sneaking. (MGS2 was too simple. Just leave the room after shooting a guy and you're all set.) Even though there will be hollow logs and whatnot, I bet the guards will have enough sense to follow you and watch you duck into these spots while in pursuit. By the way, I wonder if the environments will be open like GTA or SSX 3. I mean, think about it - if most of the game takes place in the jungle, where will the loading transitions be? Think about it.

[Pumster]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/914828_20040316_screen007.jpg
Can you find Snake in this picture?

[Pumster]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/914828_20040316_screen002.jpg
Ah, look at the smooth, high-res texture work.

[Omega Blue]

DELETE YOUR POST you....triple poster!!! :P but yeah H Kojima said you will be able to download new camo online if on to the hard drive. so im guessing you can make a skin and host it from where ever they host..the..skins... then download it to the Ps2.

[Pumster]

Hahaha, oh man, sorry about that, PS3i mods. I have a problem, though - the option to delete the extra posts isn't appearing. (The "X" usually to the right of the "Edit" button.) Are there alternate ways to delete posts? Anyway, I apologize for the extra posting - I was getting a message that said:

Ran into problems sending Mail. Response: 535 Incorrect authentication data

DEBUG MODE

Line : 131
File : /home/imgbox/public_html/forums/includes/smtp.php

I just assumed there were some technical difficulties, so the message wasn't going through.

EDIT: Changed the two additional posts to screen shots. I figured this was better than three identical posts.

[Matt]

Well as we've converted over to the new version of phpBB, and we're sorting out the bugs, I'll let this one slide.....

Also, I wouldn't want to delete those lovely screenshots either :)

[Chris Verceti]

Awsome,I can't wait to play asd Solid....erm,Big Boss.

[NickSCFC]

Awsome,I can't wait to play asd Solid....erm,Big Boss.
Maybe we'll play as both like in Metal Gear Solid 2 where the opening was a prequel to the rest of the game.

[Pumster]

Maybe we'll play as both like in Metal Gear Solid 2 where the opening was a prequel to the rest of the game.
Hahaha, I hope Konami doesn't pull that on us again, but chances are, they won't. In the original trailer, we see Snake-Like-Guy fall from his plane and begin the mission. Therefore, unless we have a scenario with baby Raiden or Snake-Like-Guy as he sneaks around his own plane, I don't think we'll have to worry about another mini-scenario before the 'real' game starts.

[Chris Verceti]

Well Kojima said we will be playing as the same dude threw the whole deal.Even if they look alike,Snake and Big Boss are two diffrent people.Well Kinda.

[Pumster]

Well Kojima said we will be playing as the same dude threw the whole deal.Even if they look alike,Snake and Big Boss are two diffrent people.Well Kinda.
I'm surprised they didn't at least show off a few of Liquid's Recessive Genes just to make the Big Boss connection easier. Either way, we can't complain - we're still playing with a Snake-like character. (Chances are, Big Boss was made using Snake's MGS2 model, but I could be wrong - Especially if they used a new graphics engine.) I don't even have to ask if David Hayter's making a comeback. (As long as Cam Clarke (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0164682/) doesn't make an appearance, I'll be happy. :lol:)

[Chris Verceti]

Cam did Octacon and liquid,right?

[Matt]

I know he did Liquid, but I don't know about Otacon.....

Wouldn't be too surprising if it was him though, he's everywhere! :)

[Chris Verceti]

I've only played MGS:TTS and MGS2,so..................

[Pumster]

I know he did Liquid, but I don't know about Otacon.....

Wouldn't be too surprising if it was him though, he's everywhere! :)
For the MGS series, Cam has only done Liquid.

[neptunez]

yeah it's been rumored that the jist of the plot has been leaked (characters etc...)

http://boards.ign.com/Metal_Gear_Solid/b5200/55212692/?12

Credit goes to Beefor on IGN forums.

Basically, he found a site for actors to find sides for parts in movies, TV shows, and video games. When you subscribe, you can get info on a part and how to audition for it.

The site shows a list of characters you can audition for in MGS3.

He says the names match the ones in the "leaked document". I have no idea what document he's talking about, but apparently Scott Dolph has contacted IGN about leaking that document! (see here: http://boards.ign.com/Metal_Gear_So...00/55212692/?12)


Below are the character names. Don't worry, they don't reveal too much, except that appearance of one character from MGS1 and 2 is now certain.

[gamingmonkey2004]

hmmmm... could that possibly be snake?

[Chris Verceti]

Probably Ocalot and/or Grey Fox,Snake hasn't been born yet.

[gamingmonkey2004]

o yea that right DUH! im a moron go on ignore my post from before! anyway was Snake born? i think it was more of MADE right? anyway continue on

[Chris Verceti]

Snake was made in the early 70's...he,Big Boss probably have a fro."Hey baby this cloning is groovy!"

[gamingmonkey2004]

Snake was made in the early 70's...he,Big Boss probably have a fro."Hey baby this cloning is groovy!"
LOL yup that could be it :lol:

[Omega Blue]

New Snake Eater Details Emerge:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/03/31/news_6092587.html

[Pumster]

New Snake Eater Details Emerge:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/03/31/news_6092587.html
Good info, right there - even if we're limited to only a few useful moves, the Close-Quarters Combat system will be much better than the previous punch-and-kick combo move.

[Chris Verceti]

Kojima's going all out!...............and no Raiden or Rose in site!!

[Matt]

Aww, poor Raiden, what did he ever do to deserve this kind of treatment.....

.....Oh yea.

[gamingmonkey2004]

maybe it was his girlish posture and kart-wheels? or its may be because he is dead sexy..jk! stupid riden or w/e DIE!!!

[Chris Verceti]

Aww, poor Raiden, what did he ever do to deserve this kind of treatment.....

.....Oh yea.


He was just being himself :lol:

[gamingmonkey2004]

MGS2 would have been better if at the end Raiden would have died or something. or caught phenonmia and died or something

[Omega Blue]

MGS2 would have been better if at the end Raiden would have died or something. or caught phenonmia and died or something

whats phenonmia? lol you me pneumonia?

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea w/e! yet another reason for a spell cheaker! its for freaky words like that

[Omega Blue]

i had pneumonia when i was a baby, i almost died :cry:

[gamingmonkey2004]

that sucks! seriously. but hey now your ok and have over 1500 posts

[Omega Blue]

yeah, DAMMIT wheres A&E they need my freakin biography. i could make millions, and buy....everyone on Ps3i a Ps3...or not. K im gonna stop spamming now. sorry mods.

[Chris Verceti]

I'll almost died too,but not from that.I did catch it when I was 5 or 6 though!

[KlawHammer]

maybe it was his girlish posture and kart-wheels? or its may be because he is dead sexy..jk! stupid riden or w/e DIE!!!
Are you gay?

[Omega Blue]

he said jk (just kidding) so im thinking he aint.

[CloudANDTidus]

ooooooooooooooookay, going back to MGS3,
how do you think bosses will work?

Will you fight them all in base type areas? I mean, if you meet a boss in the jungle you could simply turn and run a mile...............

[Matt]

how do you think bosses will work?

Very hard I would imagine! :)

I reckon they would come up with some sort of method to stop you from running a mile in the jungle, like some cunningly placed branches. The kind that form one of those magic walls! :)

[ibrooklyn]

how do you think bosses will work?

Very hard I would imagine! :)

I reckon they would come up with some sort of method to stop you from running a mile in the jungle, like some cunningly placed branches. The kind that form one of those magic walls! :)

i dont think the whole game will only be JUNGLE, like i mean it is BUT i bet there will be like some MILITARY Camps along the way or like maybe lil villages? and maybe thats where u will fight BOSES?

BTW someone help me out with the GSCube Q in the EVERYTHING ELSE thread =x thx =)

[Matt]

I'm sure that there will be a couple of bosses in the jungle though.

And in response to the GSCube, I can't find anything either.

[ibrooklyn]

And in response to the GSCube, I can't find anything either.

thats weird tho aint it? i mean everyone was talkin about how great it is or w/e but its been out since 2001 i belvie and STILL no videos.....maybe they are keeping it away from us on purpose =\

[Matt]

Or we're just not looking hard enough.

[CloudANDTidus]

They said about 2/3's of the game (i think thats the amount) would be in the jungle so it's unlikely that 2/3's will have no bosses........

[Omega Blue]

They said about 2/3's of the game (i think thats the amount) would be in the jungle so it's unlikely that 2/3's will have no bosses........
yeah im sure your bound to run into a few "unique" strangers in those first 2/3's

[shaudeus]

im sure there will be alot of challenging situations in that time besides im all for the stalking aspects in the jungle i jus hope its a lil more open ended thaan some of the pervious titles

[UltimaGear]

I want to know who will be the women of MGS3:SE? All the Metal Gear Solid games have some woman in it. In MGS1 there was Sniper Wolf, and a few others. IN Sons of Liberty there was Fortune, Emma Emmerich, Olga Gurlukavich, and Rose. MGS3 has to have at least one woman, even if she's a bad girl.

[CloudANDTidus]

I want to know who will be the women of MGS3:SE? All the Metal Gear Solid games have some woman in it. In MGS1 there was Sniper Wolf, and a few others. IN Sons of Liberty there was Fortune, Emma Emmerich, Olga Gurlukavich, and Rose. MGS3 has to have at least one woman, even if she's a bad girl.

This is like asking who the bad guys will be.....................

I'm intrested to know how Big Boss will talk to other people though. If theres no codec then it would have to be radio, but I'm sure radio wasn't that advance in the cold war........

(imagins big boss lugging a large machine and transmitter around the jungle.......)

[Chris Verceti]

Look at his ear,he has a peice in it.

[gamingmonkey2004]

or it could be a normal radio like in MGS2 what hte seals had and "Pliskin" had and hte Russians..i loved shooting their radios and they try to call on it and it didnt work :lol:

[rev>thanu]

here is how i think metal gear 3 is going to be. you probably start as Big Boss and make your way through. then something probably happens and then the game goes back to present time were it left off as snake follows ray. liquid leads snake to the place were big boss left off and you play with snake from there on. then some crazy stuff happens and it turns out that big boss is not dead and he is part of the patriots or some crazy crap like that. all i can say expect anything to happen because kojima's imagination is never ending. :) :shock: lol

[Omega Blue]

here is how i think metal gear 3 is going to be. you probably start as Big Boss and make your way through. then something probably happens and then the game goes back to present time were it left off as snake follows ray. liquid leads snake to the place were big boss left off and you play with snake from there on. then some crazy stuff happens and it turns out that big boss is not dead and he is part of the patriots or some crazy crap like that. all i can say expect anything to happen because kojima's imagination is never ending. :) :shock: lol

Kojima said there wont be any changing of characters, or at least thats what i heard in an interview. the person you start off as is the person you stay, which is how it should be.

[Chris Verceti]

I agree.

[Maya 5.0]

They switched characters in MGS2 but that doesnt mean they will do it again.Look at MGS on the PS1,you play as Snake the whole game.

[UltimaGear]

here is how i think metal gear 3 is going to be. you probably start as Big Boss and make your way through. then something probably happens and then the game goes back to present time were it left off as snake follows ray. liquid leads snake to the place were big boss left off and you play with snake from there on. then some crazy stuff happens and it turns out that big boss is not dead and he is part of the patriots or some crazy crap like that. all i can say expect anything to happen because kojima's imagination is never ending. :) :shock: lol

I too think that something unexpected will happen in Snake Eater, but the question is what? There were a few minor surprises in MGS1, like when we found out the Colonel had gone bad, and Meryl was his neice or something, Meryl dying was a surprise, as was the fact that Liquid was acting like that one guy on Snake's codec. Plus the fact that Liquid was Snake's brother!

Then in Sons of Liberty, we find out that the President was working with Revolver Ocelot, Emma is what's his name's brother, Olga didn't die and was the mysterious ninja and helping Snake/Pliskin, the Partiots was probably the biggest surprise, Fortune COULD get hit by a bullet, Liquid was still alive...you get the picture.

So expect Snake Eater to be full of little surprises, it's what defines the series. I can almost gurantee you that this isn't just a prequel, people have been waiting for almost 3 years to find out what happens after S.O.L., and Olha's baby, and who Otacon was talking about after the credits. I think what they may do is have a long cutscene like after MGS3 and show what happened after Sons of Liberty. Long endings with music is another thing I like about the Metal Gear Solid series.

A few questions though, is it just me or did Solidus say something to Raiden just before he fell? I saved the game just before the ending so I could see it all over again, I can swear his lips are moving but they don't tell you what he's saying. Didn't Solidus know Big Boss or something also? Plus, was Fortune black or white? Because in the manual, they have a picure of a white woman, but in the game she's black and even talks with like an island girl type of accent.

[NickSCFC]

Camouflage video (10 min) (http://jpn01.konami.co.jp/movie/mgs3/mgs3_camouflage_e.wmv)

[phil]

my guess would be a convolouted double narrative in the past and the pressent. . . that crosses over with time travel antics (that was hinted at in SOL) with big boss and snake (effectivly a big boss clone) fighting or teaming up or both. . . and them snake going back in time. .. b'cause big boss dies and he effectivly becomes big boss himself. . . one of those weired time loop things like Reece in Terminator. and so we discover . . after we cut to a future scene that he is fact his own arch enemy. and there was some weird split in time lines (or something like i saw in Back to the Future 2) (big gasp of suprise). . big Jungian metaphore for our own evil potential or something ?!!!??

actually if aint this plot . . . i can garentee it will be just as weird and stupid. . . i dont care. . the plot is strait out of a Jon Carpenter B-movie. . . the dafter the better.

Metal Gear Solid. . .great game it will be. . . Shakspear it wont.

[Omega Blue]

i dont want shakespear in my video games, i want a game that shows me how to efficiently slit a guys throat. if i wanted a shakespear i'll go to the library, i think the MGS3 story will be just enough to immerse you but not over due it.

[CloudANDTidus]

my guess would be a convolouted double narrative in the past and the pressent. . . that crosses over with time travel antics (that was hinted at in SOL) with big boss and snake (effectivly a big boss clone) fighting or teaming up or both. . . and them snake going back in time. .. b'cause big boss dies and he effectivly becomes big boss himself. . . one of those weired time loop things like Reece in Terminator. and so we discover . . after we cut to a future scene that he is fact his own arch enemy. and there was some weird split in time lines (or something like i saw in Back to the Future 2) (big gasp of suprise). . big Jungian metaphore for our own evil potential or something ?!!!??

If big boss dies and snake replaces him as big boss in the past then snake will die in this game when little snake kills big boss. Sort of a crappy end to the seris.

Anyway, time travel is so................flakey. Kijima is better than this..........

[Maya 5.0]

I want a good MGS experience just like the one on the PS1.The story there was absolute brilliant and the stealth action and weapons made it a classic. i dont mind a big thought up story,just as long as it makes sence.

[phil]

yea. . . sorry if i sounded a little disrespectful to the title. . . i just feel that the SOL did get a little (VERY) flakey. no less weird or far-fetched than the first. . . but problem was was that is was so splintered . . . that you pratically forgot who you were fighting and for what point. there was a sort of intresting comment about the nature of video games. . . in that pirandelo moment "Jack. . . dont you think you played too much" .

sure . . you go to a libraray for a story. . . but Video game is the new true blue medium for narative, for the story. i play video games because its the only popular culture that dosent treat people like a moron. comics have desended into retarded sex fantasy. . .popular movies are getting worse and worse.. i dont expect a game to be a pynchon novel but hey.... there were moments in SOL were i feel that the naritive structure was colapsing. . . and rather than tidy it . . . or make the story economical and sleek. . (like the first) Kojima sucumed to saying 'oh but the story is ment to not make sense. . and by nature BE inconsistent'.. in the first game. . . each cut scene felt like i was moving towards something. . . in SOL each cut scene felt like i was being handed another piece of tangled roap.

i just hope that he is not affraid to ask for some help in this department in the next game.

[Mr.Slik]

I want a good MGS experience just like the one on the PS1.The story there was absolute brilliant and the stealth action and weapons made it a classic. i dont mind a big thought up story,just as long as it makes sence.

Oh, you will. :twisted:

[Fats]

I want a good MGS experience just like the one on the PS1.The story there was absolute brilliant and the stealth action and weapons made it a classic. i dont mind a big thought up story,just as long as it makes sence.

I know exactly what you mean, some of the plot details in the second were slightly hard to swallow... "The patriots have been dead for 100 years..." Or whatever it said...

[Matt]

Yea, that Patriots part at the end certainly confused matters.

[Fats]

Do you think it will contribute (the patriots being dead for 100 years) to the third title, or was it just used in order to throw us off the already messed up storyline in sons of liberty?

[Matt]

Probably the latter. MGS3 only goes back about 40 odd years (MGS1 and 2 are set slightly in the future aren't they?). They'll have to mention it somewhere in the story, otherwise a lot of people are going to be left baffled.

[CloudANDTidus]

I can't see how the patriots thing can be left out of the game..........

Unless he's leaveing that for a MGS4?

[Matt]

Ooh, now there's a thought.....

[julps31]

The first MGS had a better balance of story and action. They had a few long cinemas but in MGS2 almost every cinema was very long plus they're was a lot of them. When I was watching the Matrix reloaded it brought back memorys of MGS2's storyline. Especially the parts with the archcitech. Hopefully Kojima has learned from his mistakes with MGS3. I can't wait to play it.

[Omega Blue]

well i think he is learning from his mistakes, i mean people dis-liked MGS2 not to the piont where it wasn't fun, but they made sure he knew what he did wrong. plus alot of people asked for the jungle setting, well he gave it to us, alot of people wanted a knife, and he gave it to us. and people wanted an ever better looking game. and as you can see he doesn't seem to be letting us down in that area. im pretty sure hes reading and listening to the Ps2 community.

[Matt]

Which is good. At least then we can guarantee that the game will contain content that a lot of people will like.

[Smoky-jack]

I'm expecting much from this game. It shoud blow other games from that evil system called Xbox out of the water. Huh... Xbox... what a stupid name Huh? :D :wink: :D

[Fats]

I'm expecting much from this game. It shoud blow other games from that evil system called Xbox out of the water. Huh... Xbox... what a stupid name Huh? :D :wink: :D

We don't take kind to your comments around here partner... You could also say that "playstation" sounds like a crap name as well... Let's just not get into this.

So when is MGS3 slated for a european release? I'm starting to look quite forward to it now... :D

[Omega Blue]

it will be in Pal sometime next century

[Fats]

Quite a wait then... As usual. Oh well, I'm getting used to it now. Perhaps I should just buy a American PS2 and save myself the wait.

[Matt]

August according to GAME, but I wouldn't take their or my word about that.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes it is around then lets hope it doesent get moved back like loads of other games this year.

[gamingmonkey2004]

dont know if this has been mentioned but... there is a camoflauge generator thingy where you have different combanations of face paint and clothing to blend in places and at the top of the screen it says how much you blend in. and it helps when you crouch or stalk or something like that

[The_One]

dont know if this has been mentioned but... there is a camoflauge generator thingy where you have different combanations of face paint and clothing to blend in places and at the top of the screen it says how much you blend in. and it helps when you crouch or stalk or something like that Yes, this have been mentioned about a million times and it appeared in almost all the screens.

And is MGS3 going to be exclusive to PS2... or will they port it to other console/systems like they did with MGS1 and 2?

[Maya 5.0]

It''s most likely the other 2 will be getting theirs 6-12 months later.

[Matt]

dont know if this has been mentioned but... there is a camoflauge generator thingy where you have different combanations of face paint and clothing to blend in places and at the top of the screen it says how much you blend in. and it helps when you crouch or stalk or something like that

This is from the official site:

Link (http://www.konamijpn.com/products/mgs3/english/camouflage.html)

[gamingmonkey2004]

dont know if this has been mentioned but... there is a camoflauge generator thingy where you have different combanations of face paint and clothing to blend in places and at the top of the screen it says how much you blend in. and it helps when you crouch or stalk or something like that

This is from the official site:

Link (http://www.konamijpn.com/products/mgs3/english/camouflage.html)

yea i know thats where i got it i wasnt sure it was mentioned in this fourm

[The_One]

It''s most likely the other 2 will be getting theirs 6-12 months later. Ah okay... Then I guess those guys with XBox are gonna be darn lucky... the graphics is gonna be extremely good, especially when it's already really good on the PS2!!

[Omega Blue]

It''s most likely the other 2 will be getting theirs 6-12 months later. Ah okay... Then I guess those guys with XBox are gonna be darn lucky... the graphics is gonna be extremely good, especially when it's already really good on the PS2!!

Kojima already said the X-Box version of MGS2 was running and lower FPS, and dipped everynow and then. mostly because the X-Box can handle the Ps2's superious particle effects. guess why Killzone has such nice looking smoke, fire, and explosion effects. i doubt Killzone could run on the X-Box without re-doing the partical engine. i think they do this with Nam 67'

[julps31]

I noticed that the partical effects on MGS2 for the x-box than on the PS2. It seemed like they toned it down a lot.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes the camaflage affect is looking good and there is a large article in OPS2...

[Matt]

Could you possibly post it?

[Chris Metal]

Kojima already said the X-Box version of MGS2 was running and lower FPS, and dipped everynow and then. mostly because the X-Box can handle the Ps2's superious particle effects. guess why Killzone has such nice looking smoke, fire, and explosion effects. i doubt Killzone could run on the X-Box without re-doing the partical engine. i think they do this with Nam 67'

Well X-Box and PC are lucky to be getting Shellshock after the recent deal with Sony for Guerrilla to develop games only for Sony from now. But the Shellshock Engine itself I believe is supposed to be a slightly toned down version of the Killzone Engine. Killzone being Guerrilla's prida and joy :)

[NickSCFC]

Kojima already said the X-Box version of MGS2 was running and lower FPS, and dipped everynow and then. mostly because the X-Box can handle the Ps2's superious particle effects. guess why Killzone has such nice looking smoke, fire, and explosion effects. i doubt Killzone could run on the X-Box without re-doing the partical engine. i think they do this with Nam 67'
What do you expect? The game was designed for PlayStation 2, conversions are never perfect. As for slow down, I certainly had that in the PlayStation 2 version, mainly during explosions.

[Chris Metal]

Anyway here's the OPSM2 article on the Camo system in MGS3
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ChrisMetal-mgs1.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ChrisMetal-mgs2.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ChrisMetal-mgs3.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ChrisMetal-mgs4.jpg
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ChrisMetal-mgs5.jpg

[Omega Blue]

Kojima already said the X-Box version of MGS2 was running and lower FPS, and dipped everynow and then. mostly because the X-Box can handle the Ps2's superious particle effects. guess why Killzone has such nice looking smoke, fire, and explosion effects. i doubt Killzone could run on the X-Box without re-doing the partical engine. i think they do this with Nam 67'
What do you expect? The game was designed for PlayStation 2, conversions are never perfect. As for slow down, I certainly had that in the PlayStation 2 version, mainly during explosions.


...sure... :roll: go be anti-ps2 somewhere else your boring :wink:

[Ultima X]

Kojima already said the X-Box version of MGS2 was running and lower FPS, and dipped everynow and then. mostly because the X-Box can handle the Ps2's superious particle effects. guess why Killzone has such nice looking smoke, fire, and explosion effects. i doubt Killzone could run on the X-Box without re-doing the partical engine. i think they do this with Nam 67'
What do you expect? The game was designed for PlayStation 2, conversions are never perfect. As for slow down, I certainly had that in the PlayStation 2 version, mainly during explosions.

Really are you sure, Because I have never experienced any. Either something wrong with your game, or you need your eyes checked.

[The_One]

It''s most likely the other 2 will be getting theirs 6-12 months later. Ah okay... Then I guess those guys with XBox are gonna be darn lucky... the graphics is gonna be extremely good, especially when it's already really good on the PS2!!

Kojima already said the X-Box version of MGS2 was running and lower FPS, and dipped everynow and then. mostly because the X-Box can handle the Ps2's superious particle effects. guess why Killzone has such nice looking smoke, fire, and explosion effects. i doubt Killzone could run on the X-Box without re-doing the partical engine. i think they do this with Nam 67' So... are you saying that the PS2 has a more poweful particle engine then the XBox? 'Cause last time I checked... I thought the XBox had the more advanced GPU... :shock:

[Matt]

It must have if Kojima was commenting on it. He's more likely to know about it than us anyway.

[The_One]

It must have if Kojima was commenting on it. He's more likely to know about it than us anyway. Could someone bother to put the link to where he commented such a thing? I want to see it for myself :D

[Fats]

Yea Nick, I've noticed slow down in a few places in MGS2 particulary when explosions occur.

[The_One]

Yea Nick, I've noticed slow down in a few places in MGS2 particulary when explosions occur. For the XBox version or PS2 version? 'Cause how come I've never experienced any slow downs.... :roll:

[solidus]

There were slowdowns with Mgs2 for the Ps2. When you play the Snake level, at the end you need to sneak past the 2 rooms full of army men (or something like that). When you kicked the guys from the back they would all fall like domino blocks. That's when u have huge slowdown. But that never bothere me. I never played the X-box version but i heard it had worse loading times.

[Matt]

Like you, I only noticed slowdown on the Tanker with the rooms full of marines. The rest of the game slightly makes up for that small problem :)

[gamingmonkey2004]

i dont remeber the slow spots because i havnt played it in awhile and i cant again because i sold it...sadly. i sold it so i could get MGS3 i just sold it a little soon....but i did it with some inside info because the resale value of MGS was about to go down to just a dollar so i sold it just before it did

[Matt]

It's hardly something that you would see and think, "My God that's really slow!"

More like, "Ooh, tiny bit of slowdown there, never mind".

:)

[The_One]

It's hardly something that you would see and think, "My God that's really slow!"

More like, "Ooh, tiny bit of slowdown there, never mind".

:) No wonder I don't remember any slow-downs :D.

[Matt]

Exactly. It's hardly anything major.

[solidus]

In the Online Game line-up at the end it featured a clip of Mgs3. What does this mean? Will Mgs3 have online play?

[Matt]

In an article I posted a while back on here it mentioned online play. I'll see if I can find it again.

Edit: Here we go, posted this back in January:

Kojima also said that MGS3 does not use the MGS2 engine, but rather an entirely new one. This is primarily because the previous engine was designed for sneaking around on flat surfaces and pressing up against flat walls with right angles--of course, natural terrain is much more random and varied, and the new engine will facilitate its re-creation in the game. In an offhand and very surprising admission, Kojima said the other reason for the new technology is that Konami is planning on creating Metal Gear Online, and the dev team wanted a more generalized engine for use with that upcoming game. Whether or not this comment actually holds water will remain to be seen, but it's quite interesting nonetheless.

Source: Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/)

[solidus]

Yeah i know about Mgs: Online but i was just suprised to see Mgs3 with those other online games.

[Matt]

Perhaps MGS: Online is what they are including in MGS3. Unless of course it's already a seperate game.

[solidus]

They said it was going to be a seperate game, i guess.

[Matt]

Hmm, so I wonder what kind of online features MGS3 will include?

Perhaps something similar to Pandora Tomorrow where you play a guard trying to find Sam Fisher?

[The_One]

They said it was going to be a seperate game, i guess. You sure? 'Cause from what I've heard. MGS3: Online isn't gonna be one of those online games where you go around and shoot other playeres, but rather, you can download patches, camo suites, and other goodies... Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've heard.

[Omega Blue]

sh!t load of MGS3 footage, its cinematics play like blockbuster movies i sh!t you not. looks amazing.

http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/536/536086/vids_1.html

[Matt]

Haha, it's almost as if you're watching a James Bond film.

[The_One]

sh!t load of MGS3 footage, its cinematics play like blockbuster movies i sh!t you not. looks amazing.

http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/536/536086/vids_1.html Whoa, the vid is kinda weird though.
Haha, it's almost as if you're watching a James Bond film. Haha yeah, kind of.

[Omega Blue]

theres more then one vid, roughly 4 or 5, all decent size and worth waiting for.

[solidus]

Amazing movie. Mgs 3 will probably feature patch downloads, camo suits,... but why would they include it in the online lineup movie. They should have gave more info about that.

[klaymen]

Amazing movie. Mgs 3 will probably feature patch downloads, camo suits,... but why would they include it in the online lineup movie. They should have gave more info about that.

damn, is everyone here subscribed to ign but me???

[Matt]

You don't need an IGN subscription to download any of those videos.

[Makaveli_786]

This dude at the local shop said hell be getting hold of MGS3 demos, are any out yet???

[Matt]

Haven't seen or heard anything about a demo yet. Perhaps there will be one in a magazine soon. Most probably OPSM2 in this country.

[Fats]

Konami was in turmoil today following the shock theft of a Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater demo disk from its booth at E3 2004. This unfortunate incident, which has raised immediate concerns over potential piracy of the triple-A product, came on the back of a hugely successful showcase of the title in front of the world's press.

The theft took place late Thursday afternoon, as the second day of the show was wrapping up. Metal Gear Solid 3 is playable for the very first time at E3 2004 and has attracted huge queues of eager gamers since the Los Angeles show opened on Wednesday.

The game was running on PlayStation 2 hardware at the show, each console housed in a protective plastic casing and monitored by personnel for security purposes. But in spite of these precautions, the perpetrators, according to one eye-witness speaking exclusively to CVG, were able to make off with the code with relative ease.

"I saw two young men, around 19-20 years old suddenly pop open the plastic casing around the demo PS2," the eye-witness told us. "Within seconds they had wrenched the disk from the console and were running for the exit!"

Our eye-witness immediately informed staff on the Konami booth what had happened, but by this time the criminals had apparently made their escape.

This theft is undoubtedly a blow to Konami, and it is likely chief developer Hideo Kojima will be less than impressed that the first ever playable code was so easily swiped on its first public demonstration. It is currently unknown what steps the Japanese company will take, if any, to investigate how this theft took place and how to deal with the code theft; a company representative was unavailable at the time of writing.

On a more positive note, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater was easily one of the games of E3 2004, its playable debut - and astonishing new trailer - met with waves of enthusiasm from attendees; you can read our own in-depth hands-on impressions of the title by clicking here.

And all Metal Gear fans should make sure they check back next week when we'll be bringing you a massive exclusive interview with Hideo Kojima himself, where he talks on why we won't be seeing a more traditional Metal Gear Solid title on PSP, why the Japanese games industry is in crisis, and we exclusively reveal whether or not Kojima-san is a snake eater himself!

www.computerandvideogames.com

[Makaveli_786]

Its a full level of the final game?

I hope its the stolen version then :P

[Omega Blue]

Its a full level of the final game?

I hope its the stolen version then :P

well they did "steal" it so i woud imagine it would be the "stolen" version.

[Matt]

Haha, Makaveli: PWNED! :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

lol@PWNED :P

[Omega Blue]

Haha, Makaveli: PWNED! :lol:
OHHHH i got you hooked Matt, soon you'll be talking like "teh 1337 h4x0rz!!! Pw3nD Lolololoolzzzz"

damn that sounds horrible.

[Makaveli_786]

man lets hope nobody becomes like omega, otherwise the world will be full of small kids with big mouths :shock:

[Matt]

Nah, that line just seemed very appropriate for that particular moment. :)

[The_One]

OHHHH i got you hooked Matt, soon you'll be talking like "teh 1337 h4x0rz!!! Pw3nD Lolololoolzzzz"

Okay, first of all, what does "haxorz" even mean?
And second of all... what are they gonna do with a half finished MGS3 code? Sure... they could probably make a few copies and selll it for a few mesely dollars, but it's not going to do anything big for them... maybe except for their own enjoyment :P.

[Makaveli_786]

LOL. shit I would steal the code if I could :P

[Omega Blue]

OHHHH i got you hooked Matt, soon you'll be talking like "teh 1337 h4x0rz!!! Pw3nD Lolololoolzzzz"

Okay, first of all, what does "haxorz" even mean?
And second of all... what are they gonna do with a half finished MGS3 code? Sure... they could probably make a few copies and selll it for a few mesely dollars, but it's not going to do anything big for them... maybe except for their own enjoyment :P.

h4x0r is "hacker"

and if they are smart they wont sell it. that'd be stupid of them, its an easy way to be caught. if they are smart they will play it on there Ps2's and never tell anyone.

[Makaveli_786]

Depends on if you have a trusted source like a guy who pirates games cant go running to the police and tell everybody about it, it will get around from the pirates their customers will pick up the copies.

[Fats]

EBAY!!! :P

[julps31]

I would rather play the finished version of the game than a halp done preview version. What's the use? You see what happened to halp-life.

[Makaveli_786]

It was a fully complete level from what I heard.

[The_One]

It was a fully complete level from what I heard. Yeah, but it was only ONE complete level wasn't it? Doesn't do too much...

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, what if there are only ten levels in the game, it does do much then doesnt it?

Besides why do people buy demos, ive never even seen a full level demo.

[Matt]

Because it's a demonstration of the game. A preview of what's to come in the near future. A lot of people can make a decision whether they