Microsoft, thieves

[Gegenki]

I heard that Microsoft are holding out in order to make a console better than PS3 by taking the technologies once realesed.

[Macken Shao]

Don't worry man, people will soon realize that XBOX:2 will be a rip-off. I am not a fanboy of any console but i'm just stating opinion. PS2 can be improved deeply, but i see no extreme method of a way to improve the XBOX. It's a perfect system -as i hear- It already has the whole lot. If i was Microsoft now, i would stay with Xbox. If i was with Sony i would never have come up with Playstation turning portoble. It a waste of money. Let Nintendo have something to do.

[Matt]

I heard that Microsoft are holding out in order to make a console better than PS3 by taking the technologies once realesed.

I think that patents would stop that from happening.

[Omega Blue]

I heard that Microsoft are holding out in order to make a console better than PS3 by taking the technologies once realesed.

I think that patents would stop that from happening.

Hit that on that little red dot usually serounded by many red circles...::akward silence::...::cricket chirps::...oh yeah there called Bullseye. :)

[ChocoChoker]

I think the Microsoft bastards are gonna do everything in their power to make their system a likeness of the PS3...But why wouldn't they? Sony has been kickin ass and takin names since day one...

[GeoDim]

r u guys serious? just cuz microsoft isnt a media whore like sony doesnt mean they dont have their own technology under wraps, that could very well be better than PS3.

[Maurice_KoRn]

Fair enough people can have an opinion, but all of you "Sony rules, PS3 will kick ass" people are a bunch of fan boys. Just try an appretiatte each console for what it can do ok?!

[ChocoChoker]

I suppose you think you're gonna tell me Sony hasn't been dominating...Riiiight...Sony has a much stronger industry backing *media whores or not* and an amzing fan following...So as far as next gen consoles are concerned, Sony is gonna threepeat...

[GeoDim]

I suppose you think you're gonna tell me Sony hasn't been dominating...Riiiight...Sony has a much stronger industry backing *media whores or not* and an amzing fan following...So as far as next gen consoles are concerned, Sony is gonna threepeat...i never said that i didn't like PS2. I only have a PS2 and I'll probably only buy a PS3...but that's beyond the point. I'm just sayin that everyone's acting like a fanboy because ya'll dont even know anything about the other two consoles, yet you already shit on them. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves.

For real, some people are ridiculous...the actual thought of anyone using the same technology as PS3 pisses some of you off...like you work for sony or something. It's like most people here want sony to completely blow the other two consoles out of the water, when a monopoly would be the worst thing for the gaming industry.

[Ultima]

yes fanboys, fanboys, fanboys. I admittedly am a Sony fan, but I do like Gamecube and... OK, not X-Box, but I do like DOA3 and Halo.
bashing systems is actually fun, if you do it in a mildly civilized manner (no cussing, no threatening to kill people, etc., etc.) I have found everybody loves bashing.
blind (i.e. hear that X Box is the best and believe it) X-Box fanboys like bashing PS2.
non-blind (i.e. found out that X-Box is best for them, or own all systems) X-Box fanboys and everyone else loves bashing X-Box (actually 4 of my friends and I were bashing X-Box while playing Halo(2 of them own an X-Box))
Stupid people who think Gamecube is for little kids or gay like bashing Gamecube

[Matt]

Oh can we please not turn this conversation into a fanboy conversation.

I absolutely hate fanboys. They are the scourge of the planet!

Die you evil fiends!!

[Sol..]

"people take pride in things they have no hand in"
- Del the Funky Homosapien


Anybody ever notice that most people with a Xbox has more than one console?! Think about it.

[Omega Blue]

"people take pride in things they have no hand in"
- Del the Funky Homosapien


Anybody ever notice that most people with a Xbox has more than one console?! Think about it.

yup my uncle has a Ps2 and an X-Box not to mention most of the X-Box users i know i only have a Ps2

[GeoDim]

thats true about people with xbox having more than one console...ive never thought about that. I only have a PS2.

[solidus]

A ps2 is the only system you need with a pc.
The ps2 for the games and the pc for the games that come on x-box and that you may like.

[JoshD]

Getting back on topic, Microsoft is not trying to steal Sony's technology. They are using a different IBM chipset for their console, and are even customizing it. They just realize, as Sony and Nintendo before them, that IBM has a great product.

[Ibanez32]

Well said. This idea that microsoft are trying to to steal technology is insane. i supprised this went past the first 3 posts

[KlawHammer]

Well its true, microsoft doesnt necessarily steal tech from sony but it does steal tech and design from other manufacturers, one being sega.The xbox controller is modeled on the dreamcast memcard slots n' all.[/u]

[stellan_sniper]

Sony Will patent the technology, and if Microsoft tries to snag their tech, they will probably be sued bigtime. Don't think they will steal Sony's tech, they have their own, better or worse I don't know, but it will be damn interesting when both consoles launches... Oh, and don't 4get the N5 or what's it's name.. :?:

[-Liquid-]

ha, when did a patent ever stop microsoft...

They wont steal the exact designs of ps3, noooo, they'll alter it the smallest way to make it legal, and they can always call in reinforcements with their army of lawyers. Also sony is using IBMs chipset and like you said, Microsoft is going to use it.. doesn't that tell you anything? I can see it right now, xbox 2 releases 6 months after ps3, they'll do anything for a userbase. And for the guy who said one console would be bad for the industry, you are incorrect, for example if you eliminate xbox from the equation than the PS2 and GC bring in more developers and better games because of it, but since theres 3 consoles and Microsofts little developer shopping spree it went on a year ago than it deprives all 3 consoles of great games. Less consoles mean greater games and it means less money you have to shell out for consoles and accessories. Call me a fanboy or whatever, if thats your comeback for something so right you wont admit it than so be it. But wake up people, the way Microsoft jumped in and is slowly killing our beloved Nintendo is wrong. It's making fools of the gaming industry. They better make a xbox 2, because if they don't than all they did was annoy Sony and take a chunk out of Nintendo.

[Steevy_Maximus]

Supposedly, a version of the PowerPC technology will be used in both Microsoft's and Nintendo's next consoles.
Right now, Cell may not be ready until 2006, this is from Sony and Toshiba themselves, and there are already rumblings of the XBOX2 being ready in 2005. Kind of hard to copy tech that won't be available.

[ainsley]

Supposedly, a version of the PowerPC technology will be used in both Microsoft's and Nintendo's next consoles.
Right now, Cell may not be ready until 2006, this is from Sony and Toshiba themselves, and there are already rumblings of the XBOX2 being ready in 2005. Kind of hard to copy tech that won't be available.

Good point Maximus! Its looking certain that the ps3 will be launched AFTER its competitors. This means for once (well except when saturn n ps1 launched) the playstation will more than likely be more powerfull than its direct competitors. If the ps2 can be most succesfull console but the most expensive and oldest, imagine the success of ps3 if its the most expensive for a reason: having the greatest technology. Processor wize the n5 and xbox2 are using try and tested technology. If sonys hype of the "Cell" processor is true, then the PS3 will knock both competitors out of the water performance wize.

[kaphwan]

The point of this message board thread is are microsoft trying to steal sony tech and yeah they are gonna try to... but if they do, their asses will be sued by Sony and Microsoft will be entertainment pariahs. So no matter how "powerful" the X-box 2 will be, nobody will buy it because the 'bad guy' made it. The news will have stories like 'microsoft stole x idea from Sony' and so on. People need a scapegoat for their problems and in the console gaming industry I hope against hope that it will become Microsoft. Damn them and their 'take 2 hours to load up' operating systems... and their discs that damage easily and can't be cleaned because their pressed not engraved.

[Althalus]

Whatever happens, the competition between the two giants is only going to get hotter. That is something I am most looking forward to. I will choose PS3 not because I am a fan but because it is part of a family of consoles. I want to be able to keep playing older games along with the new. The PS2 has allowed us to keep enjoying those classics and PS3 will be the same.

[Millia Rage]

the PS3 will rule. Nobody never mention this GAME SELECTION, the xbox 2 might turn out to be the most powerful, but i have a strong feeling that there will hardly be any games for it, like the current xbox. The ps3 will have the most games we all should know that. All the xbox 2 will have will be dead or alive 4 and maybe what halo 3 or 4 or whatever. my main point is i have gotten an xbox, i then played dead or alive 3 and rated that game 0. i don't give a shit about hot babes beating one another and seeing their panties when they lift their foot to kick. Old money bag bill gates is not getting my support in the next batch of consoles. i'm with sony, and no i'm not a sony fan boy i'm a sony whore.

[jackaaron]

I don't think you really think MS would "steal" ideas. For one, Sony keeps their specific ideas under more security than Fort Knox. Sure, they might give a general idea like how much RAM thier system will have, or what graphics chip they'll use, but nothing that can actually be "stolen."

I use to own a PS2 until I played Halo, and that kinda spoiled me. I like both consoles, but I traded in for an Xbox, and I'm glad I did so far. Now, the thing is, if PS3 is better than Xbox 2, then I'll buy it, but if not, I'm buying Xbox 2. I don't think any of us should be loyal to one console, I think we should simply buy the console we think is best because this forces console makers to put out the best possible product they can. For example, I wouldn't want the other two consoles to go out of business because then, the remaining console would get lazy because there was absolutely no competition.

I'm even a little mad now because from what I hear, the next generation is only going to look as good as the most top of the line PC that is out right now. That isn't good enough. To me, the next generation better look so good that I mistake it for live video, or at least something Pixar would make..lol.

[gamingmonkey2004]

how is this PS3 games? anyway ill post before it is locked down. you fanboys are running scared and saying "bad fanboys you people bad" but have you ever noticed when you walking down a hallway and you see a guy with all these girls around him and your alone? you think of all the possible bad things about him! ok i mean yes this is a PS3 site and all but still stop bashing the XboX i like it! and attack me all you want. i go to my freinds house all the time to play XboX halo and stuff. but i own a PS2 i also go to my freinds house to play his little brothers gamecube there is nothing wrong with those systems! each game has its own thing matter of a fact i remeber back when i first got PS1 there was goldeneye for N64 and i liked it alot because it just came out and it was very good and i wanted to get N64 just for that game. but think each system has its own little game syle that no other has. i mean Xbox has Halo and other junk (dunno all of it) Nintendo has mario Playstation has FF MGS GTA GT and etc... so really since you bashing XboX so much it shows how much you really like it cause you dislike it because you got a little comitition so now shut up! and stop bashing you stupid little fan boys

[Steevy_Maximus]

the PS3 will rule. Nobody never mention this GAME SELECTION, the xbox 2 might turn out to be the most powerful, but i have a strong feeling that there will hardly be any games for it, like the current xbox.

The Xbox has plenty of titles out, it just hasn't the time to accumulate a huge catalog like the PS2. A majority of major publishers (EA, Activision, Sega) port their titles to both systems. The primary reason that PS2 recieves so many more releases is because it is the dominant console. If XBOX2 becomes the dominant console in the next era, then it will recieve more titles than the PS3.

[mrpattycakess]

You may think that microsoft is holding out, but it is quite possible that sony would / coul.d be holding out for the same reasons. Thats how systems go so lets not get upset about it. it has been like tht since my good ol 8-bit nes

[Domination]

I disagree with a number of you,and this is not in a fanboy manner.Microsoft IS a leech.They pirate from damn near anyone to become a dominate company.A lot of you say Microsoft won't pirate from Sony because they have their own ideas.This is so false that it is down right pathetic.There is not really one thing you can think of that Microsoft hadn't pirated from someone else to gain big business.Sony is a HUGE corporation of scientific engineers for electronics alone.They know way more about this area than Microsoft.Not to dumb Microsoft down,but Sony is smarter.They rarely have to pirate from anyone.Look at the Xbox,Microsoft were going to price this thing at $400.00 and it doesn't even show much difference at all from the other two consoles.They have also have made a controller called S that is similar to the PS2 controller.NOW,they are trying to make their console the size of a PS2 console because it sold better.If they were the only suppliers in the gaming industry,we would be screwed because Microsoft rarely have any ideas of their own,but they are real quick to jack a price up in a second.Just as someone stated before,the Xbox is not the bad guy,it is the company that produces it.I have no doubt that microsoft won't try to rob Sony of their dedicated accomplishments to gain a lead.

Now,if you think I'm just talking through my butt,here are a few articals that might persuade you:

Artical one (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12523)

Artical 2:

"There's a multibillion dollar company moving into the chip business: Microsoft.

According to sources, the Redmond, Wash.-based software giant will more actively participate in the design of the brains for the next version of its Xbox gaming console, tentatively called Xbox Next. By switching from using relatively standard parts to more customized silicon, the company can better optimize its game console, due in 2005. At the same time, the move potentially gives the company a toehold in a completely new market.


"It is clear that Microsoft wants to get a lot of their DNA into it," said Richard Doherty, director of research company The Envisioneering Group. One reason for that involves hacking incidents. "They sure don't want to have a situation where an Xbox can be turned into a PC," Doherty said. Another is that Microsoft can squeeze better performance out of chips by being involved on the front end of the design process.

In the next-generation Xbox, Microsoft will shift from using chips that could be found in a PC to silicon customized using intellectual property from IBM, ATI Technologies and Silicon Integrated Systems--with design input from Microsoft.

Bottom line: Customizing the chips will let Microsoft tweak the performance of the game console, but it also means the software giant will start functioning like a chipmaker. It won't buy chips. Instead, it will pay royalties and engineering fees to its partners. Ultimately, these deals could let Microsoft put silicon it inspired in a variety of devices.

For the original Xbox, Intel and Nvidia sold chips to Microsoft that were largely identical to semiconductors the two chipmakers have also sold to the general PC market.

With Xbox Next, Microsoft is licensing graphics technology from ATI Technologies, processor technology from IBM and chipset technology from Silicon Integrated Systems (SIS). Microsoft will then work with these companies to fashion customized chips, sources said.

The arrangement will likely mirror Sony's relationship with IBM and Toshiba to create the Cell processor slated for use in the next big release of the PlayStation game console, said analysts and sources close to the companies.

Microsoft will likely ink deals with one or more semiconductor foundries to manufacture the chips for the new Xbox design, said people familiar with the deal. "Manufacturing is not part of the agreement yet. It is up to them what they do with manufacturing," an IBM representative said.

Microsoft, which announced the IBM and SIS deals last week, refused to comment further on its plans. Chairman Bill Gates is expected to discuss Xbox next at the CES show in Las Vegas this January, Doherty said.

Although chip customization can create risks, it will enable Microsoft to optimize performance inside the console. The company has also been wrestling with Xbox hackers, who've been able to turn the $179 console into a fully functioning computer.

In a sense, "Microsoft is becoming a fabless semiconductor design firm," said Peter Glaskowsky, editor in chief of The Microprocessor Report. These companies--without their own chip-fabrication factories, or "fabs"--design their processors but outsource manufacturing to foundry companies. They also often license design expertise and intellectual property from others. Microsoft "had very little to do" with silicon design for the first Xbox, said Glaskowsky.

Commercially, Microsoft will differ from other fabless companies, such as Transmeta, in that its main customer will be itself. Still, Microsoft could conceivably leverage its investment by using the chips in many products, similar to what Sony plans to do with Cell.

"Microsoft could in principle take the technology they have licensed for Xbox and create hybrid systems," said Glaskowsky, referring to products that combine computing technologies with consumer electronics.

The details on how these different chip agreements will work remains vague at this point. Nonetheless, some of the semiconductor companies working with Microsoft have stated that their Microsoft relationship does not fit into the ordinary dealings between chipmaker and box maker.

"It (the Microsoft arrangement) is different than our normal. It is a technology development thing for SIS," said Brad Walker, director of business development for SIS. Typically, SIS develops chipsets on its own and then seeks out customers later.

The deal with ATI is similar to the relationship ATI has with Nintendo for providing graphics to the GameCube, said Chris Evenden, director of PR for ATI. ATI designed a customized chip for the Japanese giant, which then took the blueprints and found a manufacturing partner. In turn, ATI receives royalties for each GameCube console sold and royalties on the sales of Nintendo games.

With Microsoft, ATI will provide customized graphics technology for "future Xbox services and products" and in exchange will receive royalties. Royalty deals are an exception for the company. ATI mostly earns revenue by selling chips. Nvidia's Xbox revenue came from selling chips.

One of the major open questions, of course, is how different these chips will be from the semiconductors IBM, SIS and ATI will sell on the open market.

The IBM representative acknowledged that Microsoft is looking at the company's PowerPC technology, the underlying architecture behind the chips in Apple computers. PowerPC concepts will also be the basis of the Cell processor, which will contain multiple chip cores that handle a variety of tasks.

Sony, Toshiba and IBM, however, have been working on Cell since 2001, and it won't come out until at least late 2005. Doherty speculated that Microsoft's IBM-flavored processor probably wouldn't represent as radical a departure as Cell, but the chip would differ from the silicon found in Macs.

"They are going to make sure that it is not a rubber stamp of someone else's," Doherty said.

ATI's Evenden said, "you want to leverage as much of your intellectual property as possible" from the PC market in making game console chips. There are, however, substantial differences. With a PC chip, users want to adjust the resolution and other factors. In consoles, companies don't have to worry about those issues.

Manufacturing is also uncertain. Although no deal has been signed with IBM, it is inevitable that Big Blue will make some of the chips, said Glaskowsky. IBM embarked on a strategy in 2002 to sign intellectual property and/or manufacturing contracts with high-profile chipmakers.

Some of its clients include Advanced Micro Devices and Analog Devices. IBM also upgraded its Wednesday, Jan 22, 2003">East Fishkill, N.Y., factory to handle some of this work.

Microsoft, though, will have options. Chartered Semiconductor, a Singapore-based foundry, is redesigning some of its fabs with IBM's cooperation so they will be virtually identical from a manufacturing standpoint, as IBM's. Typically, Asian foundries charge lower fees than IBM."

[KlawHammer]

the PS3 will rule. Nobody never mention this GAME SELECTION, the xbox 2 might turn out to be the most powerful, but i have a strong feeling that there will hardly be any games for it, like the current xbox.

The Xbox has plenty of titles out, it just hasn't the time to accumulate a huge catalog like the PS2. A majority of major publishers (EA, Activision, Sega) port their titles to both systems. The primary reason that PS2 recieves so many more releases is because it is the dominant console. If XBOX2 becomes the dominant console in the next era, then it will recieve more titles than the PS3.

True in a way

[brownbeaner2]

the way i see it and everyone else knows that the only thing keeping nintendo alive is their handhelds but sony from what i have seen and read are going to beat nintendo in that also. so what is my point you say? we will probably be seeing nintendo games running on Sony technology because since nintendo wont have anything to keep up with other Consoles (not known for sure) they will most likely start making games only.

[Makaveli_786]

Why would somebody want to own an Xbox now, I got one for halo then Halo came out on PC with 55 times better graphics...

All the games for the Xbox are encoded for the PC so its like buying an extra box for nothing.

[Matt]

There are a good number of games worth having an Xbox for. It's not a bad console.

[Makaveli_786]

I didnt say it was a bad console, it isnt just I have a PC, a GC, a GBA SP, a Mac and a PS2, plus an Xbox, I even play more on my 8-bit than on my XBOX, its not as exhilerating or as appealing as a PC or PS2 and thats my point.

[Matt]

It's just this statement:

Why would somebody want to own an Xbox now

It's almost as if you're saying it's not really worth having one.

[Makaveli_786]

Good point but I have a PC and PS2 already so an Xbox was incredibly unappealing, when i got one I stuck with it for a few days, now I dont know where it is.

[Matt]

What, you literally don't know where your Xbox is?

[Makaveli_786]

Man I got a couple of drawers in the attic, I left it in one of them, I cant remember which one though its been a while, damn thing was takin up too much room :?

[Matt]

Haha, you need to get a good TV desk or something. I have 9 consoles set up in here at the moment.

[ultimategamer2004]

9 Consoles on 1 TV how did you manage that...

[Matt]

Actually, it's 10 consoles, I forgot one.

I have 6 consoles set up on my TV, and 4 connected to my PC monitor.

My TV desk has 3 shelves:

Top shelf: Saturn and N64
Middle Shelf: Mega Drive and SNES
Bottom Shelf: Master System and NES

Then connected to my PC monitor through a VGA I have:

Dreamcast, Panasonic Q, PS2, Xbox.

You wouldn't beleive how many plugs and extension leads I have in this room.

[jessy]

r u guys serious? just cuz microsoft isnt a media whore like sony doesnt mean they dont have their own technology under wraps, that could very well be better than PS3.

hehe..microsoft is not a hardware master...that's for sure...

they dont have their own technology.....they just pick up pc stuff watever they r.....

[Makaveli_786]

At the end of the day the money a company makes is where its at, if you got 50 billion dollars why waste 10 for nothing?

People say the Xbox was a failure and thats because there was no PROFIT made on the Xbox they actually came out with less money than they went in with, if the Xbox 2 fails like the original Xbox then theyr in the shits.

People talk about how Nintendo are losing out but Nintendo actually made a lot more than Microsoft so they are better off than Microsoft too.

Bill Gates may be a billionair but soon hes going to get sick of losing money and give up.

I read an article on www.zdnet.com and it said the PS3 is predicted to outsell the Xbox 2 by 10 to 1.

These were the same guys who predicted the PS2 will outsell the Xbox 7:1 and its about that much right now, looks like its going to be 10:1 when the new version of the PS2 comes out.

On top of that there have been 3 million PSP preorders in Japan, thats just in Japan and its already sold a fifth as many consoles as the Xbox has sold in 3 years worldwide.

If you think Sony arent on top of theyr game you must be sniffing some strong glue!

EDIT: Since the Xbox came out the PSOne has sold more consoles than the Xbox.

[KlawHammer]

I didnt say it was a bad console, it isnt just I have a PC, a GC, a GBA SP, a Mac and a PS2, plus an Xbox, I even play more on my 8-bit than on my XBOX, its not as exhilerating or as appealing as a PC or PS2 and thats my point.

Did you say a Mac?
:lol:
Anyway, i have a PS1, PS2, Gamecube and PC all sharing 2 PC monitors.

PC forever!

[kaphwan]

On top of that there have been 3 million PSP preorders in Japan, thats just in Japan and its already sold a fifth as many consoles as the Xbox has sold in 3 years worldwide.

If you think Sony arent on top of theyr game you must be sniffing some strong glue!

EDIT: Since the Xbox came out the PSOne has sold more consoles than the Xbox.
Dude! Can you source that ie tell me who said that. I believe you but whenever my friends and I console argue they say that the PS2 did better because it came out first. I of course think this is BS but i need a decent argument against it. I know that this is very very little to do with topic but oh well.

[Makaveli_786]

On top of that there have been 3 million PSP preorders in Japan, thats just in Japan and its already sold a fifth as many consoles as the Xbox has sold in 3 years worldwide.

If you think Sony arent on top of theyr game you must be sniffing some strong glue!

EDIT: Since the Xbox came out the PSOne has sold more consoles than the Xbox.
Dude! Can you source that ie tell me who said that. I believe you but whenever my friends and I console argue they say that the PS2 did better because it came out first. I of course think this is BS but i need a decent argument against it. I know that this is very very little to do with topic but oh well.

Sure, what do you want a source on the PSP, PSOne or PS2?

Shit they all outsold the Xbox :shock: (well apart from PSP)

[Matt]

As far as Japan is concerned, even the WonderSwan Color shifts more units than the Xbox. I haven't got any recent figures, but when I last checked, the Xbox only sells a couple of hundred units a month in Japan.

[ultimategamer2004]

WOW acople of hundred is very crap i bet the ps2 sells loads more than that over there.

[Makaveli_786]

The Japanese are technology MAD, they probably sold the marjority of their products in Japan.

[KlawHammer]

They sold quite a good deal of games in the Soviet Union as well...

[vulcan4d]

MS is so funny, they have it sooooo easy. Here is sony investing 4-5 billion dollars on the research and development of a Cell Processor which is taking years to complete and investing 1.6 billion dollars in a plant to manufacture it, and then you got MS which will just take PC hardware, sticks it in a box and calls it Xbox2.

Not many know this but Sony had started working on PS2 right after PSX came out, the same happened with PS3 if not earlier. Remember all the news of PS3 when PS2 came out =). Xbox on the other hand took several months to make. No doubt this will happen again.

[The Outspoken]

r u guys serious? just cuz microsoft isnt a media whore like sony doesnt mean they dont have their own technology under wraps, that could very well be better than PS3.

Media whore? Sony isn't the one that bought dozens of companies to get their product on the market. Sony has lots of media for it's consoles, frankly, because developers would rather sell on a system with 69% market share than one with 13% market share, unless they are being subsidized.

It's a little thing that in buisness we call: The Bottom Line.

Here is sony investing 4-5 billion dollars on the research and development of a Cell Processor which is taking years to complete and investing 1.6 billion dollars in a plant to manufacture it, and then you got MS which will just take PC hardware, sticks it in a box and calls it Xbox2.

Yes, but Sony get's something from their consoles that MS doesn't. It's called a profit.

[KlawHammer]

Media whore? Sony isn't the one that bought dozens of companies to get their product on the market. Sony has lots of media for it's consoles, frankly, because developers would rather sell on a system with 69% market share than one with 13% market share, unless they are being subsidized.

Couldnt have put it better myself - Think Bungie Software.

Here is sony investing 4-5 billion dollars on the research and development of a Cell Processor which is taking years to complete and investing 1.6 billion dollars in a plant to manufacture it, and then you got MS which will just take PC hardware, sticks it in a box and calls it Xbox2.

Yes, but Sony get's something from their consoles that MS doesn't. It's called a profit.[/quote]

True as well. M$ make a loss of roughly $100 for every XBox sold remember. M$ was too greedy for hardout specs that they used nVidia, Intel etc to make the ultimate gaming machine. Sony on the otherhand made things cheaply (and effiecently) and concentrated on software more than hardware.

[The Outspoken]

Couldnt have put it better myself - Think Bungie Software.

Exactly. I can't tell you how pissed I was that MS bought Rare before PD2 was released.

M$ make a loss of roughly $100 for every XBox sold remember.

Yeah. Their XBox division loses about $.5 billion a quarter, and that's after the profits from games and licenses.

[KlawHammer]

As i see it M$ is nothing more than a monopolizer. If they started making cars they'd do the same thing as now. They also prey on the "technically challenged general public" and confound them into buying buggy software.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9145/11MSMisunderstood.gif

[kaphwan]

all three if not too much trouble :oops:
do you know a reliable source for sales that is recent?
And sorry for taking so long to reply back

[BigBoss1978]

M$ make a loss of roughly $100 for every XBox sold remember.

I don't think a multi-billion dollar company like Microsoft is worried about losing a hundred dollars on each xbox console LOL

[Omat128]

M$ make a loss of roughly $100 for every XBox sold remember.

I don't think a multi-billion dollar company like Microsoft is worried about losing a hundred dollars on each xbox console LOL

Yeah, But think of it, they sold like 15 Million Consoles (not sure if thats right, its somewhere around there). Multiply that by a 100, and you get a loss of
1.5 billion dollars, i don't kno how much they get back by software tho. I think that 1.5 billion dollars can worry a multi billion dollar company.

[Ouroboros]

Total sales end of may 2004: 100 million psone's, 70 million ps2's

http://ps2.gamespy.com/articles/516/516919p1.html

Total sales: 15 million Game cubes
Total sales end of 2004: 14 million xboxes

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/fun.games/06/09/nintendo.console.ap/index.html

Can't find no. of Xboxes presently but M$ had a sales target of total no. of 14.5-16 million xbox's by june 30.

Here's a little info on M$ profits from the xbox.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=3344

[NickSCFC]

Thing is, what does this have to do with PS3 games, surely it should be in the PS3 forum.

[The_One]

Thing is, what does this have to do with PS3 games, surely it should be in the PS3 forum. Listen to the Wise men... I think this thread can be locked. It's both pointless and what needs to be said has been said.

[draco04]

that is a good point threads like this should be closed so that they can make room for other topics on the other pages anyway people just keep repeating what has already been said so what is the piont of keeping open not like some extremly importent peace of ingo. is going to come out tomorrow so what the piont....that is all.

[The Undertaker]

SONY will still dominate the console wars.

[qK]

A comment stated but without the console infront of u?. Thats a fan boy rite there! lol.

I cant say which console will dominate untill ive actualy Seen it infront of me and played it.. i think anyone who isnt a fanboy for either console will agree on this!

But i suppose everyone has there theories

[RolandG]

I am not your average gamer. I have absolutly no wishes to play the majority of games released and I don't particulary hate Microsoft.

I just think that it would be very healty for the gaming scene if Microsoft left it. Nintendo and Sony aren't really competitors, the way Microsoft and Sony are. Nintendo is giving gamers great and unique games, while Sony is more about adult gaming and sleek design.

Microsoft seems to be targeting at 15-16 year olds. A segment I think you shouldn't even be targeting.... just look at the crap music and movies made for these kids that are absolutly horrible.

I really think that this generation of games is going to be about the games again and not about how good they look and it's great that Nintendo is realizing this. The graphical jump from the Xbox to the Xbox Next won't be that big, of course everything is going to look better, but things are looking pretty fine already.

Anyway... Sony could come in some trouble in the US if Microsoft has their console out almost a year sooner and launching Halo 3 around the release time of the PS3. The Xbox Next while have some good games and the PS3 will be stuck with their release titles (release titles are never that exciting from a gameplay perspective in retrospect.. .except Mario 64).

Of course the PS3 won't fail.. but it's going the war is going to be a bit more intense.

I just hope Nintendo doesn't go under with their "Revolution".

[amod20002004]

I heard that Microsoft are holding out in order to make a console better than PS3 by taking the technologies once realesed.
Impossible, simply impossible, that’s what I am going to say. That’s it.

[\\']-[()619]

i don't care who wins i will just both 8)

[amod20002004]

Same is here, I am going to buy both of consoles in future.

[The_One]

Anyway... Sony could come in some trouble in the US if Microsoft has their console out almost a year sooner and launching Halo 3 around the release time of the PS3. The Xbox Next while have some good games and the PS3 will be stuck with their release titles (release titles are never that exciting from a gameplay perspective in retrospect.. .except Mario 64). Well, the problem with your theory is that there won't be a Halo 3 -- Not yet at least. M$ is gonna milk every little penny out of the Halo franchise, which means releaseing a rehashed "Halo 2.5" to earn some extra allowance, THAN bombard you with Halo 3. I'm sure by the time Halo 3 is out, there should be some A+ games for the PS3 also.

[amod20002004]

Anyway... Sony could come in some trouble in the US if Microsoft has their console out almost a year sooner and launching Halo 3 around the release time of the PS3. The Xbox Next while have some good games and the PS3 will be stuck with their release titles (release titles are never that exciting from a gameplay perspective in retrospect.. .except Mario 64). Well, the problem with your theory is that there won't be a Halo 3 -- Not yet at least. M$ is gonna milk every little penny out of the Halo franchise, which means releaseing a rehashed "Halo 2.5" to earn some extra allowance, THAN bombard you with Halo 3. I'm sure by the time Halo 3 is out, there should be some A+ games for the PS3 also.
I personally think that it’s a very ridicules idea. There is absolutely no need to issue same halo2 game with upgraded graphics. I have already beaten halo2 and I really don’t want to spend say 40 to 50$ for same next generation game. I think they should concentrate on halo3.