Gran Turismo 4 Discussion Thread Part 3

[Kiwi]

Continuation of the GT4 thread:

Part 1 (http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39)
Part 2 (http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2153)

Keep it on topic please.

[Fats]

Check out my review of Prologue...

Hit me!!! (http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2453&highlight=)

:P

[Kiwi]

Just so you guys know, there is a time trials thread for Prologue. Somebody post some times, the thread is dying! :)

[ultimategamer2004]

Dont worry i will post some as soon as i get the prolougue no later than next Saterday. :oops:

[Squarehed]

Wow, what a motorin weekend.

For the first time, Amazon.co.uk didn't get the game to me on Friday after having it pre-ordered for god-knows-how-long!!!

Well, went 2 the motorshow. Fell back in love with the Mclaren SLR, Maybach 62. MG SV and the Porsche carrera GT (god, how i hope those are in GT4.

Then came home last nite @ 7 ish and played GT4P till 10!!!

It blows me away. The beauty of Citti Di Aria. The flowing curves of Tsukuba and the bloody balls track in New York. (Really, couldn't they make it a bit more exiting than 90deg turns lft rite and centre!!!).

Awesome... Nothing compares 2 it.. cept GT3, just coz of more cars.... Cant wait 4 GT4 now. It's gonna be awesome. First time i'll ever get to race on the Eifel Nurburgring... Going 2 set some fast laps 4 the time trial page.

Thanks for letting me yabber on about my weekend. Well, what can i say.. Bring on GT4!

[the legendary ice man]

Your basically saying GT4P is nothing more than a load of extra cars?

thats why I got bored of GT3, about 15 tracks - big fun (I finsihed the game though, was ranked about 6th in the completion stats for a few months :? )

[Squarehed]

No i mean GT3 is better because it had more cars.

Sorry if i mislead u.

[Makaveli_786]

Man GT4 is loaded with possibly 100 plus tracks, its going to be great :shock:

[Squarehed]

Yeah, can't wait for Nurburgring and all the other great tracks. This is going to be one hell of an experience. Prologue's just got me gaggin 4 it.

Saw a lot of ferraris being tested in DVD and game credits!

Methinks we are getting an F40 etc!

BEAST

[Makaveli_786]

You grab your F40 and ill grab my super-tuned Toyota Supra, meet you on the track, online play is going to be great :shock:

[Kiwi]

Although you can tell that a lot of the tracks are just going to be the reverse tracks, like with GT3. Unless perhaps that's how many it is without the reverse tracks.

[Squarehed]

Damn, wish i had bb now

May get RuralBroadband by the end of yr

1meg or sumfing....

40 ping :D

Daubt it tho

[Makaveli_786]

I want 2MB broadband by winter so I can do all the downloading to keep me busy in the shit weather, in fact I might get it in summer and download all summer in preparation for the winter :D

[Kiwi]

I'm going to switch to a 1MB service probably, that Bulldog one seems pretty cool.

[Fats]

New Gran Turismo website up...

Hit me! (http://www.granturismoworld.com/index_en_GB.html)

[Omega Blue]

im trying to get a GT4 Demo disc for NTSC, but im still unsure it will come or not. its not like Proluge but it consists of 2 cars and 2 tracks, we'll see. i hope its real even if its only a little content.

[julps31]

Yeah. Better than nothing, especially since the game is looking so good man. I can't wait to get my hands on it.

[Squarehed]

Nildram's good.

Yeah nu GT site..... :roll:

That bin there 4 ages. Still luks gud tho. Just want them 2 get the cars up and the music

anyone got any ideas?

[Fats]

I wasn't aware of the website, I was only posting it because I came across it on another website. :?

[Fats]

T next-gen, PSP and more from the head of Polyphony Digital - the full unexpurgated story inside

With Gran Turismo 4 Prologue currently lighting up the UK charts, there couldn't be a more appropriate time to review our very own GT4 E3 coverage and have a quick rustle in our extensive bundle of taped goodies.

And what do you know? We've dug up an exclusive interview with gaming rock god Kazunori Yamauchi, head of Polyphony Digital's Gran Turismo team. We joined him for a rare one-on-one chat about GT4, the prospects for PSP and his hopes for GT games on the next generation of consoles.

Check this out.

Interview by Johnny Minkley

One of the things you've announced at E3 is the new photo mode for Gran Turismo 4 - Could you tell us about that?

Kazunori: There are a number of reasons. The first is because the data that GT has is over specified compared to the output you would get on a TV monitor. It's very high quality. I first thought about the mode three years ago and planned for the future.

Of course I also really like photography personally in addition to loving cars; I wanted to provide a mode in which you can provide the absolute quality available in GT in some form and photo mode was the solution.

We gather you can trade your own images online with other users. Do you see this as a fundamental part of creating an online community for the game?

Kazunori:This may not be one of the core aspects of the online segment, but because the data size of the images is so small, they can be exchanged at low bandwidth. And so it will be one of the many interesting features for the online community.

Have you been onto the E3 showfloor to see what kind of reaction the game is getting? How do you feel about it?

Kazunori: Unfortunately I haven't had much time to visit the showfloor yet and see the reaction. However even with limited time, I am very surprised to see so many people in the GT area and I also noticed a lot people trying photo mode for themselves and actually trying to do the printouts, regardless of the fact that it takes quite a while to get the printout.

People didn't seem to mind waiting to get the final image and I really feel the loyalty of the people visiting the booth; I'm very thankful for it.

Is it difficult to relax with such high expectations from GT4's many fans?

Kazunori: Although I seem to have very little time to myself with the busy development schedule, I do occasionally find the time to go out and drive a car in real life out on the highways of Tokyo. Those are the times when I can relax, forget about work and just enjoy the time spent behind the wheel.

What do you think will be judged the single greatest achievement of Gran Turismo 4?

Kazunori: It's a difficult question because I always aim for a over 100 percent in all aspects of any game I create. However if I had to pick one I would have to say the actual driving simulation is its greatest achievement.

With the next generation of technology almost upon us, how do you hope to use that to push the envelope of the driving genre?

Kazunori: Let's take the category of car physics: currently in GT4 on the PS2, the calculations for car physics are done sixty times a second, the same as the framerate. But with the next generation coming and higher specifications, we think this could change to 300 times per second or even 600 times per second.

Those changes will be significant in how players relate to car physics, car simulation and feedback. Another aspect is the graphics: for GT4 it's nice, it's very pretty... For a game.

Yes, just a little...

Kazunori: But again in the next generation the target will obviously be to bring that to another stage, another step, where it will be prettier than reality. What I mean by that is, for example, take the environment and atmosphere seen in the Grand Canyon course. There's times when you can see the same scenery with perfect lighting and maybe only once in a hundred years do you see something like that.

We have the advantage of being able to provide that in a virtual world and that supercedes reality in those terms. We hope to recreate a very beautiful atmosphere with the advantages of next generation technology.

What do you think of the PSP and the possibility of bringing the GT series onto it?

Kazunori: Regarding the PSP, I'm very intrigued by the PSP itself as an object. It's very intriguing, very appealing.

Of course I would hope to release GT4 on PSP as soon as possible, but at the same time at full specification. What I don't want to do is lower the specification or remove features to fit it onto a handheld. I want to make sure it's a full specification GT4 on a handheld console.

Are you confident that can be achieved?

Kazunori: Currently yes.

Finally, many have tried to recreate the success of the GT series but they have failed to live up to its extremely high standards. What is the secret of your success?

Kazunori: I can't be sure; it's a difficult question. But the team and I have always concentrated on improvements, always constant improvements, and this has been carried forward with GT4. It's been ten years now and I think this has grown to a state where the constant aim to improve has become a natural feature of the team. That may be the answer.

But you still love cars, even after all this time?

Kazunori: I think that might be the real answer to your previous question! [laughs]

www.computerandvideogames.com

[gaming ultima]

You grab your F40 and ill grab my super-tuned Toyota Supra, meet you on the track, online play is going to be great :shock:
it was confirmed that Ferrari and porches (though I’m guessing RUF will be hehe) will not be in GT4, but it was said that its certainly possible that they will be for GT5, also they were prob testing them so they have all the data now so when they do GT5 they don’t have to spend so long getting data from older cars and they have more time for newer cars ....

[Makaveli_786]

Last I heard they were in the game, you got a link by any chance?

[julps31]

You grab your F40 and ill grab my super-tuned Toyota Supra, meet you on the track, online play is going to be great :shock:
it was confirmed that Ferrari and porches (though I’m guessing RUF will be hehe) will not be in GT4, but it was said that its certainly possible that they will be for GT5, also they were prob testing them so they have all the data now so when they do GT5 they don’t have to spend so long getting data from older cars and they have more time for newer cars ....
GT5? I can't imagine what this game's going to be like. It's going to revolutionize driving games forever. Well we have to wait for GT4 first before we think about GT5.

[Makaveli_786]

According to the dude in the interview they could increase the physics five to tenfold.

[gaming ultima]

Last I heard they were in the game, you got a link by any chance?
yea
http://cars.ign.com/articles/519/519206p1.html
Sadly, we won't see some vehicles in the mix in 4. When asked about two specific car makers, one German, one Italian, a reluctant Yamauchi answered, "Ferrari and Porsche, [aren't] impossible, but in terms of GT4, it won't happen."

[Makaveli_786]

Last I heard there will be Porsches and Ferraris :shock:

I dont know, guess well have to wait and see.

[gaming ultima]

Last I heard there will be Porsches and Ferraris :shock:

I dont know, guess well have to wait and see.
where did you hear that
well anyway as you said we will just have to wait and see, but lets hope there are, man i would love to put a enzo or a carrera GT though its paces

[Makaveli_786]

A lot of websites and some dude said it too, in fact the dude designing the game said hed delay GT4 6 months if it meant he could put a Ferrari in the game hence the delays.

[ultimategamer2004]

i've always missed ferriaris and porsches but at least all the cars are licenced. :roll:

[gaming ultima]

i've always missed ferriaris and porsches but at least all the cars are licenced. :roll:
well if RUF is in the game and if they have their own version of the carrera GT (which is unlikely but still) and thats in GT4 then i will forget about ferrari. anyway we will just have to wait and see untill the final GT4 car list, but at the moment i stand by what i said about their not being any ferrari's or porshes

[ultimategamer2004]

oh yeah i forgot that ruf are modded porsches.. i had the CR2 i think it was very good.

[Ress Cor]

I think they did all they could with the PS2 hardware in GT4, but they could only do so much, there are still only 6 or is it 8 crs on the screen? There's no real light effects from the car lights in the night races and the annoying bitmap look. Anyway on the PS3 I'm sure they'll fix that stuff and add real wind, rain, inside of the car, and MORE VIEWS!

I hate having only 2 views! It drives me INSANE!

[slayerx]

Theres 3 views inside, outside and more outside :lol:

[Fats]

I've always been an inside car man myself, it gives you a greater sence of speed.

[julps31]

I've always liked to see my car when playing driving game. But if they had an in car view I'd definitely use it. I'm sure thats one of the things they'll add for the next-gen version of the game. Polyphony probably wants the most realistic in car view or non at all.

[Kiwi]

I've never felt very comfortable using the first-person view in racing games. I prefer being able to see everything around me. I've been using the far view on Prologue.

[gaming ultima]

I've never felt very comfortable using the first-person view in racing games. I prefer being able to see everything around me. I've been using the far view on Prologue.
yea same here
I always use the view farthest away from the car, which is 1 of the things that a me in GT3 was that it has less different views then GT2 did

[Kiwi]

Did GT3 have just the two views? Can't quite remember.

[gaming ultima]

Did GT3 have just the two views? Can't quite remember.
yeah i think but i cant quite remember as well

[Fats]

GT3 only had 2 views, which was strange at the time. I was expecting more.

[gaming ultima]

GT3 only had 2 views, which was strange at the time. I was expecting more.
yea same here, and didnt GT2 have like 4 ?

[Kiwi]

I'm not sure actually. Not something that I've had to remember before.

[ultimategamer2004]

Well GT4 has 3 views but i would like an in car veiw i got the prolougue today. :lol:

[Fats]

I think GT2 had 3 views, but there was an option to position the camera to a view that suits you best.

[ultimategamer2004]

Well if there was thy should use it again i find the view on gt3 with the car showing the camra was 2 low so i always used too use the other view like i am now on GT4 prolougue.

[NickSCFC]

http://felixmcli.org/extlinks/gt4p/hk-1.jpg
http://felixmcli.org/extlinks/gt4p/hk-4.jpg
http://felixmcli.org/extlinks/gt4p/hk-5.jpg

[slayerx]

Nicks back woot where u been ?

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, yeah where have u been :shock:

[julps31]

Niiick. Were are you? There he goes again dissapearing on us again. Any way those environments look beautifal. Epecially at night.

[ultimategamer2004]

Well the prolougue is quite good and shows the enviroment well will mint graphics.

only 4 tracks though.

dont go nick.

[Makaveli_786]

OHHH man all the GT's looked beautiful in the dark :?

[ultimategamer2004]

Not the first to compared to todays standards cus they were very picelated.

[Kiwi]

High-Res mode on GT1 was pretty good though.

[ultimategamer2004]

cant remember but it was probably the best then but not so good now?

[Makaveli_786]

Yup, it was the greatest looking game by far when it was released.

[Kiwi]

Yup, it was the greatest looking game by far when it was released.

Definately. So were games like MGS.

[Makaveli_786]

Man the PS1 had some amazing games, I still go back to my old PS1 games sometimes.

[ultimategamer2004]

yes i had mgs for ps1 it was quite a good game on the hole.

[Makaveli_786]

Good story and gameplay, great game overall, cant wait for MGS3.

[ultimategamer2004]

when people say about the ps1 graphics please say great for the time cus we have now moved on but sombody i know has only just got a ps2 and they always et consles near the end of there life.

[Kiwi]

Anyways, back to GT4.

[Makaveli_786]

I think GT4 will have the best visual graphics this year...

[ultimategamer2004]

maybe so close will be killzone and burnout i think.

[Makaveli_786]

I played Burnout 3 about a week ago at the Motorshow 2004 at the EA stand, it doesnt look too good.

Killzone and MGS3 alongside Half Life 2 and Doom 3 will probably battle it out.

[Kiwi]

So much for keeping it to GT4 eh?

Seriously, as you two guys seem to post the bulk of the stuff on this forum, can you try and keep things on topic as much as possible. Contrary to popular belief, I'm not here all the time, so post sensibly, and keep on-topic.

[Makaveli_786]

Yup, definetly keeping it GT4, I wonder if theyll delay the game this time around too, seems like it could be delayed again.

Ill try to keep on topic :D

[Kiwi]

They've delayed them all. With the amount of work that PD put in, it's not surprising really.

[Makaveli_786]

500 cars and 100 tracks, then theyve got to make the cars handle like real and the tracks 100% legit.

[Kiwi]

Have you got a copy of Prologue? If so, watching the bonus DVD is very interesting. Shows the kind of process that they go through with each car.

[Makaveli_786]

That little weasal has still got my game, hes had it since the day I bought it, I hate my little cousins.

Ill have to buy a new copy :?

[Kiwi]

Cousins, what's the point of them eh?

Well you should watch the DVD when you get it anyway.

[Makaveli_786]

Damn I hope they dont drive the car around the track while monitoring the car using computer equipment, then again they sure do put a lot of work into them.

[ultimategamer2004]

The bonus dvd is very interesting and the amout of work that goes into testing each car is unreal too make it as realistic as possible.

post some times in the time trial section Matt :wink:

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, the dude said they could easily increase the physics tenfold on next-gen... imagine that :shock:

[ultimategamer2004]

yes that would be amazing so lets hope it happens. 8)

[Makaveli_786]

I dont see why it wouldnt...

Physics has more to do with maths than graphics and the PS3 is capable of more mathematical calculations than the majority of supercomputers around the world, that should give us a realistic driving experience.

They dont need to touch graphics up too much too, itll probably all be 100% photo realistic graphics but that isnt very far from what the PS2 is doing with GT4.

Seems like theyll have pretty much all the PS3's power to aim at physics, should be amazing.

[ultimategamer2004]

yeah most of the power to physics but i wouldent say photo perfect near but not photo perfect take a look around you at the detail. :wink:

[Makaveli_786]

http://www.popularracinggames.com/gran-turismo-series/images/gt-4-1.jpg

http://entertainment-iuk.com/1466313.jpg

http://www.gamespotasia.com/screenshots/playstation2/granturismo4/gt4_screen005.jpg

Its pretty hard to improve on those.

[ultimategamer2004]

True but you would be suprised on how much better screens look than the in game graphics even if they are in realtime.

[julps31]

GT is one of the only games series I could see being totally photo realistic next-gen. Maybe the little details in the screens will give the fact that it's a game away but when you play it it'll probably be a different story. I can't wait. 8)

[Makaveli_786]

When in motion a game looks much more realistic, lag gives it away, thats the only thing that might give GT4 away but none of the GT games had lag so I dont see it being a problem.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yeah overall it looks more realistic but it dont look as good as screens a little worse but not a load but it is visable sure you must have noticed.

[Makaveli_786]

I dont think youve ever played GT3 on a HDTV...

Get one of those things that connects your PS2 up to the PC monitor and youll see what I mean, it looks better than the screens.

When you look at a TV its only kicking 640x480 resolution and most screenshots are kicking twice that so when you play it on a TV you dont see near to what the game is capable of...

Imagine GT4 on a projector :shock:

[ultimategamer2004]

NO i aint i would try on a PC if i had a very good one but should be getting a new TV pretty soon. projector would be mint but they cost loads i have seen them way over £2000 and thats to much for me :!:

[Makaveli_786]

Man they aint that expensive, you can get a good one for a grand on ebay, thats a better deal than any TV :shock:

I mean hook up your Monitor to your PS2, your monitor should definetly have a higher resolution than your TV.

[ultimategamer2004]

My tv aint that bad.

yeah £1000 on ebay one thats second hand.

i might get a plasma screen but if i was to get a 42inch it would cost about £3000.

[Makaveli_786]

Theyll be coming down soon enough...

If you buy a plasma buy a Sony one, you will thank me after you see the picture and theyr incredibly beautiful too, Sony really have picked up in style in a BIG way in the last few years.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes i would buy sony iwega tech. i no about the higher picture quality. :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

I wonder how they do it, no wonder they control 80% of the market, theyr pretty damn smart at pushing the picture further...

In home Cinema they dominate LCD, HDTV, Plasma and every type of TV apart from the Projector section..

Marantz own that.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yeah i heard they own 80% too but go into any electrical store in the uk anyway you wont find more than 10% of all there TV sets being sony unless sony have shares in others.

[Makaveli_786]

I wonder whats the relationship between Toshiba and Sony, theyr TV's are designed similar look similar and in the past Toshiba helped Sony get around in the market.

[ultimategamer2004]

Errrrmmm i aint sure they must be some kind of relationship maybethey own a share very large one obiviously.

[Makaveli_786]

That would mean Sony are the largest electronics giant on the entire planet and they own shares in the second biggest electronics giant on the planet :shock:

[ultimategamer2004]

well they do make most kinds of electrical stuff. :P

[Makaveli_786]

They basically make every type of electrical appliance there is I think :?

[ultimategamer2004]

They probably are the biggest then i also cant think of an electrical appliance they dont make. :(

[Makaveli_786]

Man Sony are no doubt the biggest, they own about 80% of the TV market, about 75% of the portable-music market, about 60% of the music market... theyr enormous!

They own a lot of DVD tech too... the figures are up in Sony tech shops all over Manchester.

[ultimategamer2004]

Good to know that if sony ever happen to run into finacial difficulties in the gaming market they will have back up and a load of it.

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, Sony are synonymous with finance, they own several multi-billion dollar movie studios and music studios..

In fact theyr 5 billion dollar bid for MGM has gone through, they spent 5 billion dollars just to bring more movies to UMD :shock:

[ultimategamer2004]

yes imagine if it was self owned they wuld have way more than billy boy :lol:

Nut sony wont run into difficulties i am sure.

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, they have more than billy any day in reserves but in loose cash billy goats is rocking a lot of dough

[gaming ultima]

i think this is getting a bit off topic and so im just gonna say 1 thing
GT4 is going to OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, ill second that!

[ultimategamer2004]

yes it will own racing so i third that!

[Makaveli_786]

What about competition for GT4?

I am a big GT fan but in all honesty I cant even think of anything touching GT4, I honestly cant see any competition for this game :?

[ultimategamer2004]

Neither can i GT4 has all main parts that a good game should have:

Long life
Good graphics
good gameplay

etc.

[Makaveli_786]

Man the online play should be amazing, I hope you can sell cars online.

In fact wouldnt it be nice if you could mod your own cars the way you wanted to with a program, it seems like customizing the game online is getting very popular.

[ultimategamer2004]

wouldent be suprised if you can sell them online it would be very good thats all i can say but i just got broadband 512kps but it doesent suport online gaming :cry:

[Makaveli_786]

NTL charge an extra 5 quid for taking PS2 online.

[ultimategamer2004]

£5 a month or is that for every month you have it with them like a 1 off payment i hopr bt do somthing like that but i am spending to much money on PS2.

[Makaveli_786]

5 quid a month... you have to have 1MB connection to buy it too, they charge 35 quid for the 1MB and 5 quid for PS2, thats 40 quid monthly...

Soon theyll be upgrading 1MB to 1.5MB though... not bad for 40 quid..

[ultimategamer2004]

spose not...

i have a 512k for £19.99m hope they include gaming for free soon.

[Makaveli_786]

What did I tell you guys about people saying the GT4 shots are fake, if you head over to the thread in PS3 Discussion youll see some uneducated idiot talking about how the shots are CGI :lol:

[richjwild]

CGI? why the hell would GT4 have CGI in it?

[Makaveli_786]

Ask him, he just cant get over the fact the PS2 games look that good.

[richjwild]

i sent my xboy mate a screen of GT4 and told him it was xbox 2 graphics, he beleived me :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

Do you blame him, I remember a dude looking at GT4 and telling me "uhmm... maybe the PS4.. PS5 should do it definetly" :P

[richjwild]

LOL, i guess alot of people are guna be surprised how powerful the ps3 will be

[Makaveli_786]

If the PS3 is as big a jump as the PS2 then I think were going to see something breath taking and beyond our imagination at the end of the PS3's life.

[*C-STARZ*PUSHA]

Im definatley amazed by the lighting :shock:

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah I wonder how they did that, the PS2 has bad lighting :?

[ultimategamer2004]

yeah it may have a prob but NFSU was very shiny :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

Man to be honest I hate when they shine up textures to give graphics that cheap good look, it does look good but NFSU really overdo it sometimes.

[ultimategamer2004]

me too if there is too much shine it makes it hard to see the screen when theres too much as well.

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, the shine is a clever way of covering up things though :P

[ultimategamer2004]

supose so i hope that the faults in the next gta are cured and not coverd up.

[Makaveli_786]

Looks like they have been.

[ultimategamer2004]

yeah but you cant see some like the road turning into water or driving clean through walls :lol:

nice feture :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

No I mean the streaming system will handle those problems.

[ultimategamer2004]

yes i hope so...I is a good thing but lets hope it works the graphics look better as well. :oops:

[Makaveli_786]

They do dont they, I have to say im impressed I thought if they improved the graphics the city would go smaller, guess theyr making use of PS2's enormous cache.

[rev>thanu]

Well i just saw at ign that granturismo will have 44 racing tracks so far. According to IGN the list will get bigger and some tracks might actually get cut. Also they said that all the tracks from all the previous games will make it into this sequel. Well here is the list so far:
New York City *

Fuji Speedway *

Tsukuba Circuit *

Grand Canyon; Grand Canyon North *

Citta di Aria *

Costa di Amalfi *

Hong Kong *

Nurburgring Nordschleife *

Nur Snow

Akasaka

Las Vegas

Motegi

Paris rally

Paris tarmac

Louisberg

Nanzenji

San Marco

Yosemite

20R60R

Gymkhana 1-4

Test Course

Cote d'Azure (Monaco) *

Special Stage Route 11 *

Swiss Alps *

Tokyo R246 *

Complex String *

Autumn Ring; Autumn Mini Ring *

Pikes Peak Hill Climb *

Rome Circuit Full Course; Rome Short Course; Rome Night *

Seattle Circuit Full Course; Seattle Short Course *

Super Speedway *

Laguna Seca Raceway *

Midfield Raceway *

Apricot Hill Speedway *

Red Rock Valley Speedway *

Tahiti Road; Tahiti Dirt Route 3; Tahiti Maze *

Smokey Mountain North; Smokey Mountain South *

Green Forest Roadway *

Trial Mountain Circuit *

Deep Forest Raceway *

Grand Valley Speedway; Grand Valley East Section *

Special Stage Route 5 *

Clubman Route Stage 5 *

Grindelwald *

[Makaveli_786]

This is the GT discussion, I was talking about GTA.. I think ultimategamer was doing the same :shock:

[ultimategamer2004]

Well there will have to be loads of tracks on GT4 because of the amount of cars 500.

[NickSCFC]

Plenty of new names in that course list, I was disappointed by the lack of new tracks in GT3, so all these new courses are very welcome.

[Kiwi]

What do the stars next to the tracks symbolise?

[ultimategamer2004]

i havent noticed them on the prolougue. :oops:

[Kiwi]

Noticed what?

[ultimategamer2004]

The stars next to the Tracks or am i confused? :?:

[Kiwi]

I meant on the list on the previous page.

[Makaveli_786]

Theyr all tracks taken from previous games.

[ultimategamer2004]

That is very strange i cant work that out for the life of me! :lol:

[Kiwi]

Theyr all tracks taken from previous games.

Don't remember half of those tracks from the last game.

[Makaveli_786]

I just looked at the bottom five and recognized the name and thought they were all from previous games but now that I read the rest..

I havent got a clue :?

[Kiwi]

Ahh well, doesn't matter too much I guess.

[ultimategamer2004]

i only reconize about 5 asd well but it doesent matter it is going to be a good game with a very long life.

[Makaveli_786]

500 cars that you can mod and so many tracks.

Aside from that the real thing thats going to give GT4 a really long life is online play.

I just hope they release a mod pack so you can modify cars and play around with tracks, a lot of PC games are going custom and it works immensely well for them in terms of longevity.

[ultimategamer2004]

Well GT3 was long ebnough for me i mean what can you ask. :wink:

[Makaveli_786]

Man this game is going to give longevity a new meaning!

[ultimategamer2004]

yes it will take months to complete if you play lets say 1 hour a day but you wont be able to cus u r on here almost 24hours a day.

[Kiwi]

If you play it for long enough, you start to just breeze through it. I had the flu for a week, so I ended up going through every single endurance race on GT2 in 2 days I think.

[ultimategamer2004]

thats quite good considering that some on gt3 dont know gt2 last for 2 hours.each..

i heard you are doing exams.

[Kiwi]

Exams, who told you that? Don't even have any exams this year.....

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah once you get a tuned car yo can blaze through the tracks quite easily.

[Kiwi]

The endurance tracks do usually take a couple of hours to finish. By the time I had got to doing them, I had some stupid amount of money. So all you had to do is buy the best car you could buy for that particular race, and then arm it to the teeth with NA or Turbo.

[Makaveli_786]

Its really fun making your way up though :D

[Kiwi]

Sure is. Although it gets a bit tedious when you're 15 laps in front of 2nd place.

[ultimategamer2004]

Exams, who told you that? Don't even have any exams this year.....

it was Makaveli_786 he said you were syudying for them when you wernt around for a cople of days.

[Kiwi]

Lol, little fibber! :P

[Makaveli_786]

Thats how I used to make money mostly because the licenses were hard to beat, I can win anybody in a straightup race but I just cant keep to the track :x

[ultimategamer2004]

brush up on your skills then i normally keep t the track and dont smashinto walls or anything. :lol:

[Kiwi]

Thats how I used to make money mostly because the licenses were hard to beat, I can win anybody in a straightup race but I just cant keep to the track :x

Time to get Prologue methinks.

[Makaveli_786]

Lol, little fibber! :P

Youve been offline for a while, I thought it was exams around this time.

[ultimategamer2004]

Matt aint a skool kid you know he goes to college :o duh.

[Kiwi]

Lol, little fibber! :P

Youve been offline for a while, I thought it was exams around this time.

Been away for a few days recording some tracks with my band. Getting together again for our 4th album.

[ultimategamer2004]

Nice 1 whats your band called???

i know somone whos got a band. :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

Even college peeps have exams.

[ultimategamer2004]

yeah but not all at the same time in the year it depends.

dont say peeps its doing my head in.

[Kiwi]

Yea, but luckily the course I've been on this year is purely coursework. Sweet :)

And the band I'm in is called Humanatara by the way.

[Makaveli_786]

You dont like that word..

(Scheming) :P

[ultimategamer2004]

Yea, but luckily the course I've been on this year is purely coursework. Sweet :)

And the band I'm in is called Humanatara by the way.

thats lucky :lol:

nice name the one i know is called bad attitude thing is it aint as creative as yours isit do tou have a website?

[Kiwi]

Nope. Never been too bothered with setting one up to be honest.

[Makaveli_786]

Back to topic...

Damn it feels good saying that :D

Have any online modes been announced, if not then what do you want?

[NickSCFC]

Basicall up to six players can race in one off races on any course, voice communication only in the lobby. Nothing else has been confirmed yet, though we're told to expect car trading and leagues.

[Kiwi]

They probably won't release too many details until we get closer to the launch. Perhaps online features are still in development.

[Makaveli_786]

Man they should start releasing a few more details, the launch isnt that far now :?

[Kiwi]

It is for us. That's probably why they gave us Prologue in the end, so we'd stop winging about not getting the game :)

[Makaveli_786]

Theres supposed to be a disc flying around with 2 cars and tracks from the final game itself, Toyota were giving them away in a bid to sign up for information about their cars.

[Kiwi]

Doesn't really seem worth it, as Prologue gives you 50-something cars and 5 tracks.

[Makaveli_786]

But this is the final game, theres a lot of things they changed and the cars look a lot better in the final one too.

[Kiwi]

Hmm, well, I'll be off to my nearest Toyota dealership then! :)

[Makaveli_786]

Try the website, I havent found it anywhere though, didnt bother looking too hard.

[Kiwi]

Is this an offer that applies to just the UK, or everywhere?

[Makaveli_786]

To be honest im not sure I heard about it on an American website and didnt really look into it.

[NickSCFC]

Any idea about the soundtrack yet?

[Makaveli_786]

Well by the time we see this game we should already have a HDD so well have our own soundtracks.

[NickSCFC]

Man that Cardigans tune on GT2 just fitted perfectly, I think there was a remix for the intro too, so was the Manics tune on the intro on GT1. Was a little disappointed with the music in GT3, Feeder are great don't get me wrong, but it just wasnt as great as it's predecessors.

Going on past GT soundtracks, which up to date music would fit in with GT4?

[Makaveli_786]

Well theyve got a ton of new tracks and a bigger game overall too, why dont they combine all the music from the last games and mix it with some new tracks.

[NickSCFC]

We have to move on :D

It was great having the best music of their respective years on the first two games, but you have to move on.

Ever heard the Moon Over The Castle tune from the Japanese series?

Anyway, I'll see about compiling a list of tracks from the past GT games.

[Kiwi]

They usually have a good variation of tracks in the games. Not sure what kind of stuff they'd put on it though.

[NickSCFC]

How about Jet, they seem decent? Ash and Supergrass have some new stuff out. The White Stripes are pretty decent too.

[Kiwi]

Ash have been on a few of the other games haven't they?

[NickSCFC]

I'm just trying to think of new stuff that'll fit into Gran Turismo, I'm sure you could help :D

[Kiwi]

It's not really my kind of music, though I don't really mind it.

[Makaveli_786]

As long as its got a nice vibe like in the previous 3 GTA's I dont really care what kind of music it is.

[NickSCFC]

GTA's.
Not as bad as PSR. Earlier I was trying to thing of what new stuff would fit in with previous GT soundtracks, I came up with The White Stipes and Jet, that's about it :roll:

[Makaveli_786]

Who said I wasnt talking about GTA, they all had great music :wink:

[NickSCFC]

The music was probably the best thing about Vice City, who wouldn't want to drive around listening to Crockett's Theme or Toto - Africa :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

Exactly, damn some GTA:VC music in GT plz.

[NickSCFC]

Nah, I'd just like some up to date stuff that follows GT's style.

[Kiwi]

The music was probably the best thing about Vice City, who wouldn't want to drive around listening to Crockett's Theme or Toto - Africe :lol:

Hey! Don't know the gay 80's music, it ruled! :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

Man I thought it was a little gay too but it fitted in really well with the game.

[julps31]

Yeah it really did give you that i'm in the 80's feel to the game. They had all the classic 80's sound tracks. Gran Turismo would be a good game to let you make your own sound track if you have a harddrive. I couldn't imagine GT having a hip-hop or rock sound track by default.

[Makaveli_786]

Good point, I think by the time GT hits a lot of us will have a HDD though so it shouldnt be a problem.

[julps31]

Anyway, I think the jazz works since the game isn't super fast like need for speed. Smooth music for smooth gameplay. :wink:

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah but dont forget theres different kinds of races.

Some require straight up raw speed while some like the all nighters will have you driving all night.

The night ones will be good with Jazz music as theyr long and dont need any breakneck aggressive speed while Rap would be good for the short tracks where you have to be aggressive to win the race.

[julps31]

True. I don't know if plyphony knows music like R*. It would be artist we never heard probably.

[Makaveli_786]

Polyphon and Rockstar should trade tips, A GTA with cars handling like in GT and a GT with GTA type music.

[ultimategamer2004]

It would be very good if it were to happen but i am sure it wont. :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, a shame though.

[Kiwi]

Yeah but dont forget theres different kinds of races.

Some require straight up raw speed while some like the all nighters will have you driving all night.

The night ones will be good with Jazz music as theyr long and dont need any breakneck aggressive speed while Rap would be good for the short tracks where you have to be aggressive to win the race.

They've never really seemed too bothered by the music in my opinion. Anyway, it's the driving that's supposed to be the main focus.

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah but dont forget theres different kinds of races.

Some require straight up raw speed while some like the all nighters will have you driving all night.

The night ones will be good with Jazz music as theyr long and dont need any breakneck aggressive speed while Rap would be good for the short tracks where you have to be aggressive to win the race.

They've never really seemed too bothered by the music in my opinion. Anyway, it's the driving that's supposed to be the main focus.

Yeah thats true but the music is always a nice touch.

[Kiwi]

Oh yea, I know what you mean. Since GTA3, the music in the GTA games has become more of a feature, but in a game like GT, it's not something that I would consider to be a main feature.

[NickSCFC]

They've never really seemed too bothered by the music in my opinion. Anyway, it's the driving that's supposed to be the main focus.
I had a DVD with the making of Gran Turismo 3 on, in the UK they care alot about the music, there should be some big names in GT4.

[ultimategamer2004]

no they dont seem to bother about the music and sounds when not sriving too much but i wish they had i hate the noises when u aint driving it does my head in :cry:

i think they should change both the music and sounds apart from the car sounds :oops:

[Kiwi]

They've never really seemed too bothered by the music in my opinion. Anyway, it's the driving that's supposed to be the main focus.
I had a DVD with the making of Gran Turismo 3 on, in the UK they care alot about the music, there should be some big names in GT4.

I suppose so, was just my opinion, as there's only ever been a handful of tracks on the games.

[slayerx]

they had some great music on the first one like feeder shame they didnt maintain this through out the series

[Kiwi]

There were a few Feeder tracks on A-spec.

[NickSCFC]

they had some great music on the first one like feeder shame they didnt maintain this through out the series
Don't even think Feeder were around when the first game was released, I remember the Manics and Garbage doing a few tunes for the original though.

[Kiwi]

There's Feeder on the original as well. :)

They've been around since about '96.

[ultimategamer2004]

i only had GT GT3 and GT4 pro cant remember 1 much though but the last too anoyed me with the music. :roll:

[slayerx]

i have an unoffical list of 778 possible cars which could be in the game am i ok to post them?

[NickSCFC]

i have an unoffical list of 778 possible cars which could be in the game am i ok to post them?
If the word "could" were replaced by "are", then go ahead and post :D

[slayerx]

Sorry Nick these are still unoffical:

Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
Acura DN-X Concept
Acura Integra GS-R Model 92
Acura NSX Alex Zanardi Edition Model 99
Acura RSX Type-S Model 2003
Acura TSX Model 2004
Alfa Romeo 1300 Junior Zagato Model 71
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA Model 2003
Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI Race Car Model 93
Alfa Romeo 156 Super Turismo Race Car Model 2001
Alfa Romeo 158 Formula 1 Model 50
Alfa Romeo 1600 Duetto Spider Model 66
Alfa Romeo 166 3.0 V6 24V Model 98
Alfa Romeo 179 Formula 1 Model 80
Alfa Romeo 33 TT12 Race Car
Alfa Romeo 33-2 Race Car
Alfa Romeo 33-2 Stradale Model 67
Alfa Romeo GTV Model 2003
Alfa Romeo GTV Model 73
Alfa Romeo Montreal Model 70
Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 V6 Model 98
AMC AMX
AMC Javelin
Aston Martin AMV8 Vantage Concept Model 2003
Aston Martín DB AR1 Model 2003
Aston Martin DB2 Model 50
Aston Martin DB3S Race Car Model 53
Aston Martin DB4 GT Model 58
Aston Martin DB5 Model 64
Aston Martin DB6 Model 66
Aston Martin DB7 Model 99
Aston Martin DB7 GT Model 2003
Aston Martin Lagonda Modelo 82
Aston Martin V12 Vanquish Model 2000
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Aston Martin Virage Model 88
Audi 100 Coupe S Model 69
Audi A4 Touring Race Car
Audi TT-R ABT Race Car Model 2002
Audi RS6 Geneva Avant Model 2002
Audi R8 Race Car Model 2003
Audi RS2
Audi RS4 Avant Model 95
Audi S3 Model 2004
Audi S4 Model 2001
Audi S6 Model 99
Audi S8 Model 2001
Audi Sport Quattro Model 84
Audi Sport Quattro S1 Rally Car Model 85
Audi Steppenwolf
Bentley Arnage T Model 2002
Bentley Azure Modelo 2005
Bentley EXP Speed 8 Race Car Model 2002
BMW 2002 Race Car
BMW 2002 Turbo Model 74
BMW 320 Turbo Race Car Model 78
BMW 323i Coupe
BMW 330i Model 2003
BMW 507 Model 56
BMW 540
BMW 700 RS Race Car Model 60
BMW 750iL
BMW 840Ci Sports
BMW LMR Race Car
BMW M Coupe Model 2001
BMW M1 Model 80
BMW M1 Race Car Model 80
BMW M3 Model 2001
BMW M3 Evo III Model 90
BMW M3 GTR Race Car Model 2001
BMW M3 GTR Strassenversion Model 2002
BMW M5 Model 2001
BMW M5 Model 94
BMW M6 635 CSi Model 84
BMW X Coupe Concept
BMW X5 Le Mans Concept Model 2000
BMW Z1 Model 86
BMW Z3 M Roadster Model 2001
BMW Z4 3.0i Model 2003
BMW Z8 Model 2000
BMW Z9 Concept Model 99
Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Model 2002
Bugatti EB Veyron 16-4 Quad Turbo
Bugatti EB110 GT Model 94
Bugatti LMP Race Car
Cadillac Cien Concept Model 2002
Cadillac Eldorado Model 67
Cadillac Eldorado ETC
Cadillac Evoq Concept Model 99
Cadillac LMP-02 Race Car Model 2002
Cadillac Steinmetz Catera Concept Model 99
Callaway C12-R
Callaway C12-R Race Car Model 2001
Caterham 21
Caterham 7
Caterham Super 7
Chevrolet Camaro Model 69
Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary
Chevrolet Camaro SS Model 2001
Chevrolet Camaro SS Model 69
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Model 2001
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Model 77
Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 Model 69
Chevrolet Cavalier 2.2 Turbo Concept Model 2002
Chevrolet Cavalier Z24
Chevrolet Chevelle SS Model 68
Chevrolet Corvair Model 63
Chevrolet Corvette 427 Stingray Model 69
Chevrolet Corvette 50th Anniversary Model 2003
Chevrolet Corvette Astrovette Concept Car
Chevrolet Corvette C5R Model 2001
Chevrolet Corvette CERV III Concept Model 90
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Model 63
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Model 96
Chevrolet Corvette Split-window Coupe Model 63
Chevrolet Corvette XP-830 Mako Shark II Concept Model 65
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Model 2003
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Model 93
Chevrolet El Camino SS Model 69
Chevrolet Impala SS
Chevrolet Malibu Cruiser Concept Model 2001
Chevrolet Monte Carlo DuPont Race Car Model 2001
Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Model 2001
Chevrolet Nova Concorde Model 76
Chevrolet SSR Concept Model 2003
Chrysler 300M Special
Chrysler Atlantic
Chrysler Chronos Concept Model 98
Chrysler Crossfire Model 2004
Chrysler GT Cruiser Concept
Chrysler LMP Race Car Model 2001
Citroen C5
Citroen C-Airdream Model 2002
Citroen Saxo 1.6I VTS
Citroen Saxo Rally Car
Citroen Xantia 3.0i V6 Exclusive
Citroen Xantia Rally Car
Citroen Xsara 1.8I 16V Exclusive
Citroen Xsara T4 WRC Rally Car Model 2003
Citroen ZX Raid Car Paris Dakar
Daewoo Mya
Daewoo No. 1 Concept Model 96
Daewoo Nubira X
Daihatsu Copen Concept Model 2001
Daihatsu Feroza Model 93
Daihatsu Mira TR (4WD) Model 98
Daihatsu Mira TR-XX Model 90
Daihatsu Move SR-XX (4WD) Model 97
Daihatsu Opti Club Sports (2WD) Model 97
Daihatsu Storia Rally Car
Daihatsu Storia X4 Model 98
Datsun 240Z Model 69
Datsun 260Z Model 74
Datsun 280Z
Datsun 510 Model 70
De Tomaso Mangusta Model 69
De Tomaso Pantera GT5-S Model 86
DMC-12 Delorean Model 81
Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi Model 70
Dodge Charger Daytona 500 Race Car Model 70
Dodge Charger R/T Model 69
Dodge Charger R/T Concept Model 99
Dodge Copperhead Concept Model 97
Dodge ESX3 Concept
Dodge Hennessey Venom 650R
Dodge Intrepid Police Edition
Dodge Intrepid R/T Race Car Model 2002
Dodge Neon R/T Model 2001
Dodge Neon SRT-4 Model 2003
Dodge Ram SRT-10 Model 2004
Dodge Razor Concept Model 2002
Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo Model 91
Dodge Stratus Touring Race Car
Dodge Stratus Turbo Concept Modelo 2002
Dodge Super8 Hemi Concept
Dodge Venom Concept Model 94
Dodge Viper ACR Model 2000
Dodge Viper GTS Model 2002
Dodge Viper GTS-R Race Car Model 98
Dodge Viper SRT-10 Model 2003
Dodge Viper SRT-10 Competition Race Car Modelo 2003
Fiat 124 Spyder
Fiat 500
Fiat 600
Fiat 850 Vignale Spyder Model 65
Fiat Abarth 1000 Race Car
Fiat Barchetta Modelo 2003
Fiat Coupe 2.0 20V Turbo Plus Model 98
Fiat Punto Abarth Rally Car Model 2002
Fiat Punto GT
Ford 427 Concept Model 2003
Ford Capri
Ford Cortina Rally Car
Ford Cougar Modelo 2002
Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
Ford Escort Cosworth RS
Ford Escort Rally Car
Ford F150 SVT Lightning Model 2000
Ford Fairlane Model 75
Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo
Ford Falcon XR8 V8 Supercar Race Car
Ford Fiesta Rally Car Concept Model 2002
Ford Focus FR200 Concept Model 2000
Ford Focus Ghia 2.0 Model 98
Ford Focus RS WRC Rally Car Model 2002
Ford Focus SVT Model 2002
Ford Focus ZX3
Ford GT40 Model 2003
Ford GT40 Mk1 Race Car Model 68
Ford GT70 Race Car Model 70
Ford GT90 Concept Model 95
Ford Ka Model 99
Ford Mondeo ST220
Ford Mondeo Super Touring Race Car Model 99
Ford Mustang Boss 429 Model 70
Ford Mustang Boss Concept Model 2000
Ford Mustang Cobra R Model 2000
Ford Mustang FR500 Concept Model 99
Ford Mustang GT Model 82
Ford Mustang GT Model 94
Ford Mustang GT Concept Model 2003
Ford Mustang Mach 1 Model 2003
Ford Mustang Mach 1 Fastback Model 69
Ford Mustang Mach III Concept Modelo 93
Ford Mustang Super Stallion Concept Model 98
Ford Probe GT Model 95
Ford Puma Rally Car
Ford Puma ST160 Model 99
Ford RS200 Model 85
Ford Sierra Cosworth
Ford Sierra RS500
Ford StreetKa Model 2003
Ford Th!nk Concept
Ford Thunderbird Model 65
Ford Thunderbird Supercharged Concept Model 2003
Ford Torino Race Car
Ford XR8 Xplod Concept Model 2001
Gillet Vertigo Model 97
Gillet Vertigo Race Car Model 98
Heuliez Pregunta Concept
Holden Commodore V8 Supercar Race Car
Holden HSV HRT 27 Model 2002
Holden Monaro CV8 Model 2002
Honda Accord Concept Model 2002
Honda Accord Coupe V6 Model 2003
Honda Accord Euro-R Model 2000
Honda Accord SiR-T Model 98
Honda Accord Type-R Touring Car Race Car
Honda Accord Wagon 2300VTL 4WD Model 97
Honda Beat Version Z Model 94
Honda City Type-Z Model 2002
Honda Civic (EK) SiR Model 98
Honda Civic (EK) Type R Model 2003
Honda Civic Mugen Si Model 2002
Honda Civic R Race Car
Honda Civic Si Concept Model 2002
Honda Civic Vti Model 93
Honda CRX SiR Model 89
Honda del Sol LM Edition
Honda Dualnote Concept Model 2001
Honda Integra LM Race Car
Honda Integra Type R Model 2002
Honda Jazz/Fit Model 2001
Honda Life T Type Modelo 98
Honda Logo TS Modelo 98
Honda Mugen SS2200 Concept Model 2000
Honda NSX Castrol Mugen JGTC Model 2000
Honda NSX Coupe Model 2002
Honda NSX Loctite Mugen Model 2001
Honda NSX Mobil 1 Model 2001
Honda NSX Type S Zero Model 97
Honda NSX-R Concept Model 2001
Honda NSX-R Prototype Model 2001
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car
Honda Prelude 2.2 Vtec Model 2003
Honda Prelude Si Vtec Model 91
Honda Prelude SiR S spec Model 98
Honda RA272 Formula 1 Model 65
Honda S2000 Modelo 2001
Honda S2000 GT1
Honda Z Turbo Model 98
HSV Commodore
HSV GTS GEN3
HSV Monaro GTS
Hyundai Accent WRC Rally Car Model 2002
Hyundai Clix Concept Model 2001
Hyundai Tiburon GT V6
Hyundai Tiburon Rally Car

[slayerx]

Infiniti/Nissan FX45
Infiniti/Nissan G35 Sport Coupe Model 2003
Infiniti/Nissan Q45
Jaguar D-Type Works Race Car Model 54
Jaguar E-Type S3 Model 72
Jaguar F-Type Concept Model 2000
Jaguar R-Coupe Concept Model 2001
Jaguar S-Type R
Jaguar XJ 220 Race Car
Jaguar XJ series Model 2003
Jaguar XJ220 Model 93
Jaguar XJR Model 2004
Jaguar XJR-15 Race Car Model 90
Jaguar XJR-9LM Race Car Model 88
Jaguar XJR-S V12 Celebration Coupe Model 88
Jaguar XK180 Concept Model 2000
Jaguar XKR Model 2000
Jaguar XKR Trans-Am Race Car Model 2002
Jaguar X-Type Racing Concept Model 2002
Kia Magentis
Kia Rio
Kia Spectra Touring Car
Koenigsegg CC 8S Model 2002
Koenigsegg CC Concept Model 98
Lamborghini 400 GT Model 66
Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary Model 89
Lamborghini Diablo JGTC
Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0 SE Model 2001
Lamborghini Espada 400 GTE S2 Model 69
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Miura P400 Model 68
Lamborghini Murcielago Model 2002
Lamborghini Urraco P300 Model 76
Lancia 037 Rally Evo 2 Rally Car Model 83
Lancia Beta Monte Carlo Race Car Model 81
Lancia Carcerano Gran Turismo Concept Model 2002
Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car Model 85
Lancia Stratos Model 72
Lancia Stratos Rally Car
Lancia Thema 8.32
Lexus/Toyota GS300/400 Model 96
Lexus/Toyota IS300 Model 2002
Lexus/Toyota IS300 Sportcross Model 2002
Lexus/Toyota IS430 Concept
Lexus/Toyota SC300/400 Model 96
Lexus/Toyota SC430 Model 2001
Lexus/Toyota SC430 Pace Car Model 2002
Lincoln LS
Lincoln Mk VII
Lincoln MK9 Coupe Concept Model 2001
Lister Le Mans Model 90
Lister Storm GT2 Model 99
Lotus 11 S2 Le Mans Model 57
Lotus 18 Formula 1 Model 60
Lotus 340R
Lotus 46 Europa S1 Model 66
Lotus 49B Formula 1 Model 70
Lotus Carlton Model 89
Lotus Elan S2 Model 64
Lotus Elan S2 Model 90
Lotus Elan S4 Sprint Model 71
Lotus Elise Model 2002
Lotus Elise 190
Lotus Elise GT1
Lotus Elise II Type 25 Model 2002
Lotus Elite Model 63
Lotus Esprit GT2
Lotus Esprit S1 Model 76
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 Model 99
Lotus Esprit X180R Race Car Model 91
Lotus Europa Race Car
Lotus Exige Model 2000
Lotus M250 Concept Model 2000
Lotus Sport Elise Race Car Model 2000
Maserati 3200GT
Maserati 320S Concept Model 2001
Maserati 5000 GT Touring Model 59
Maserati BiTurbo Si Model 87
Maserati Quattroporte IV Model 94
Maserati Sebring Model 62
Mazda MX-6 GT Model 91
Mazda 323 4wd Rally Car
Mazda 323 MPS Concept Model 2001
Mazda 626
Mazda 767B Race Car Model 89
Mazda 787B Race Car Model 91
Mazda AZ-1 A-Spec
Mazda Cosmo Concept Model 2003
Mazda Cosmo Sport Model 68
Mazda Eunos Cosmo 20B Type-E CCS Model 94
Mazda Lantis Coupe 2000 Type-R Model 93
Mazda Mazdaspeed Protégé Model 2002
Mazda Miata V-Special Model 93
Mazda MX Sportif Model 2003
Mazda MX-3 Model 90
Mazda MX-5 Model 89
Mazda MX-5 Model 98
Mazda MX-5 1.8i Model 2000
Mazda MX-5 MPS Concept Model 2001
Mazda RX-01
Mazda RX-2 Model 70
Mazda RX-3 Model 71
Mazda RX-4
Mazda RX-7 Model 76
Mazda RX-7 Model 86
Mazda RX-7 GTUs Model 89
Mazda RX7 RE Amemiya Race Car
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Model 2002
Mazda RX7 Type RS Model 98
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ Model 2000
Mazda RX-8 Model 2002
Mazda RX-8 LM Race Car
Mazda RX-7 Savanna GT-Turbo (SA22C) Model 83
Mazda Xedos Super Touring Race Car
MCC Smart
MCC Smart Coupe
Mercedes Benz CLK GTR
Mercedes Benz W196 Formula 1 Model 56
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II Model 90
Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 Model 68
Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing Model 56
Mercedes-Benz 380SL Convertible Model 80
Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC Rally Car Model 78
Mercedes-Benz AMG A32K Model 2002
Mercedes-Benz AMG C55
Mercedes-Benz AMG CL65 Model 2003
Mercedes-Benz AMG E55
Mercedes-Benz AMG S63 Model 2001
Mercedes-Benz AMG SL73 Roadster Model 95
Mercedes-Benz AMG SLK32 Model 2001
Mercedes-Benz C112 Concept
Mercedes-Benz C230 Sport Coupe
Mercedes-Benz C9 Race Car
Mercedes-Benz CIII Model 69
Mercedes-Benz CLE concept
Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM Race Car Model 2002
Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR Super Sport Model 2002
Mercedes-Benz CLR Model 99
Mercedes-Benz SLR
Mercury Comet
Mercury Cougar Model 99
Mercury Cougar Eliminator Model 70
Mercury Marauder Model 2003
Merkur XR4Ti Model 87
MG EX257 LMP
MG TF Xpower 500 Model 2002
MG ZT XPower 500
Mini Cooper 1.3i
Mini Cooper Race Car
Mini Cooper S Works Model 2002
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) Model 92
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) Twin Turbo Model 92
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) Twin Turbo Model 95
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) Twin Turbo Model 99
Mitsubishi 3000GT LM
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) VR-4 Model 2000
Mitsubishi Colt Model 78
Mitsubishi Colt SR 4X Model 2002
Mitsubishi CZ3 Tarmac Model 2001
Mitsubishi Eclipse Model 2002
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX Model 97
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R Model 97
Mitsubishi Galant GT-Z Model 2003
Mitsubishi Galant Super VR-4 Model 98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Model 92
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II Model 94
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II Rally Car Model 94
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR Model 95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III Rally Car Model 95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR Model 96
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car Model 97
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Rally Car Model 93
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR Model 98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V Rally Car Model 98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V RS Model 98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR Model 99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR Tommi Makkinen Edition Model 2000
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Rally Car Model 99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS Model 99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII GSR Model 2001
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII Rally Car Model 2001
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII RS Model 2001
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII Model 2003
Mitsubishi Lancer GS-R Model 85
Mitsubishi Legnum Super VR4 Model 98
Mitsubishi MineModelo s Lancer Evolution VI Model 2000
Mitsubishi Mirage Asti RX-R Model 98
Mitsubishi Mirage Cyborg R Model 92
Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution Model 2003
Mitsubishi RPM 7000 Concept
Mitsubishi Starion Turbo Model 82
Mitsubishi Taeivon Trampio FTO
Morgan Aero 8 Model 2002
Morgan Aero 8 GT Race Car Model 2002
Nismo 270R Model 94
Nismo 350Z Concept Model 2002
Nismo 400R Model 97
Nissan mm Model 2001
Nissan 200SX Model 96
Nissan 300ZX Model 90
Nissan 300ZX Version R 2by2 Twin Turbo Model 98
Nissan 300ZX Version S 2seater Twin Turbo Model 94
Nissan 300ZX Version S 2seater Twin Turbo Model 98
Nissan 350Z Gran Turismo Aero Model 2002
Nissan 350Z Razo Version Model 2001
Nissan Altima 3.5 SE
Nissan Cedric
Nissan Cefiro
Nissan Cima
Nissan GT-R Concept Model 2001
Nissan GT-R Concept LM
Nissan March Super Turbo Model 89
Nissan Maxima Model 2004
Nissan Mid4 Concept Model 85
Nissan MineModelo s Skyline GT-RN1 Vspec(R34) Model 2000
Nissan mm R Model 2001
Nissan Nismo GT-R LM Road Car (R33) Model 95
Nissan Nismo GT-R Race Car
Nissan NP35 Model 92
Nissan Primera 2.0Te Model 90
Nissan Primera GT Race Car Model 99
Nissan Pulsar Gti-R Model 91
Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1 Model 97
Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car Model 98
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car Model 98
Nissan R89C Race Car Model 89
Nissan Sentra SE-R V Spec Model 2002
Nissan Sileighty
Nissan Silhouette
Nissan Silvia C-West Razo Model 2000
Nissan Silvia KModelo s (S14) Model 96
Nissan Silvia KModelo s Aero SE Sports Package (S14) Model 98
Nissan Silvia Spec R Aero (S15) Model 99
Nissan Skyline 2000 GTR Model 69
Nissan Skyline 25GT Turbo (R34) Model 98
Nissan Skyline 300GT Model 2001
Nissan Skyline Blitz GT-R R348 Model 99
Nissan Skyline Calsonic GT-R Model 2000
Nissan Skyline Gran Turismo GT-R V Spec (R34) Pace Car
Nissan Skyline GT-R Model 70
Nissan Skyline GT-R Autotech Version 40th Anniversary (R33) Model 97
Nissan Skyline GT-R M Spec 34 Model 2001
Nissan Skyline GT-R Nismo (R32) Model 90
Nissan Skyline GT-R Nur Edition
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R32) Model 93
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R33) Model 97
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R34) Model 99
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec II (R32) Model 94
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec II (R34) Model 2000
Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32) Model 91
Nissan Skyline GTS-4 (R32) Model 91
Nissan Skyline GTS-R (R31) Model 87
Nissan Skyline HKS Drag Car
Nissan Skyline Loctite Zexel GT-R Model 2000
Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R LM Race Car Model 95
Nissan Skyline RS-X Turbo Intercooler (DR3) Model 84
Nissan Stagea 25t RS Four V Model 98
Nissan Stagea Autech Version 260RS Model 98
Nissan Stillen 300 GTZ Model 93
Nissan Sunny B110
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GT-R Model 2001

[slayerx]

Oldsmobile Alero OSV Concept Model 2000
Oldsmobile Aurora GTS Race Car
Oldsmobile Toronado Model 67
Opel Ascona
Opel Astra SRi 2.0i 16V
Opel Astra V8 Coupe Race Car Model 2002
Opel Astra Xtreme Concept Model 2001
Opel Calibra DTM Race Car
Opel Calibra Turbo Model 91
Opel Corsa GSi OPC
Opel Corsa Sport 1.6i 16V
Opel GT
Opel Manta
Opel Speedster Model 2000
Opel Tigra 1.6I
Opel Tigra Ice Race Car
Opel Vectra 2.0 16V
Opel Vectra Super Touring Race Car
Pagani Zonda C12 Model 99
Pagani Zonda C12-S 7.3 Model 2002
Panoz AIV Roadster
Panoz Esperante Model 2001
Panoz GTR
Panoz Le Mans Racer Model 2001
Panoz LMP 07 Model 2001
Peugeot 106 1.6 S16
Peugeot 106 Rally Car Model 94
Peugeot 205 T16 Rally Car Model 85
Peugeot 206 GTi Model 2000
Peugeot 206 Rally Car
Peugeot 405 T16 Vatanen Pikes Peak Car
Peugeot 406 3.0 V6 Coupe
Peugeot 406 Super Touring Race Car
Peugeot 607 Feline Concept Model 2000
Peugeot 905 LM Race Car Model 90
Peugeot Oxia Concept
Plymouth GTX
Plymouth Hemi Model Cuda Model 70
Plymouth Pronto Cruiser Concept Model 98
Plymouth Pronto Spyder Concept Model 98
Plymouth Prowler Model 2000
Plymouth Road Runner
Plymouth Superbird
Pontiac Fiero SE Model 84
Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 Model 70
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am WS6 Model 2002
Pontiac G6 Concept Model 2003
Pontiac Grand Prix G-Force Concept Model 2002
Pontiac GTO Model 2004
Pontiac GTO Judge Model 70
Pontiac Rageous Concept Model 97
Pontiac Solstice Coupe Model 2002
Pontiac Sunfire Touring Race Car
Renault 5 Turbo 2 Model 84
Renault 5 Turbo Rally Car
Renault Clio Cup Race Car
Renault Clio Williams
Renault Espace F1 Concept Model 95
Renault Laguna Touring Race Car Model 99
Renault Megane Rally car
Renault Clio Sport V6 Evo II Model 2003
Rolls-Royce Corniche Convertible Model 2000
Rolls-Royce Phantom Model 2003
Rover 25
Rover 45
Rover 75
Rover ZS
RUF 3.4 Model 87
RUF 3400S Model 2000
RUF 911 Turbo R Model 2001
RUF BTR 3.8 Model 93
RUF CTR-2 Sport Model 97
RUF RGT Model 2000
RUF Turbo R Model 98
Saab 9-3 Viggen Coupe Model 99
Saab 9-3 Viggen Pikes Peak Rally Car Model 2000
Saab 9X Concept Model 2001
Saleen Mustang S-281 Model 2000
Saleen Mustang S-351 Model 99
Saleen S7 Model 2000
Saleen S7R Model 2001
Saturn SC2 Concept Model 2001
Saturn SCX Concept Model 2001
Seat Formula Concept Model 99
Seat Ibiza Cupra R
Seat Leon Cupra R Model 2001
Seat Salsa Concept Model 2000
Shelby Cobra 427 Model 67
Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe Race Car Model 64
Shelby Mustang GT 500 KR Model 68
Shelby Mustang GT350
Shelby Series 1 Model 98
Skoda Fabia RS
Skoda Octavia RS
Skoda Octavia WRC Rally Car Model 2001
Skoda Tudor Concept Model 2002
Spoon Civic Type R Model 98
Spoon S2000 Model 2000
Spoon S2000 Race Car Model 2000
Spyker C8 Double 12
Spyker C8 Laviolette Model 2001
Subaru 2.5 RS sedan
Subaru Alccione SVX Version L Model 95
Subaru B11S Concept Model 2003
Subaru Fleet-X Concept Model 99
Subaru Impreza 2.5 WRX STi
Subaru Impreza 22B STi Model 98
Subaru Impreza Electra One Concept Model 99
Subaru Impreza P1 Model 2000
Subaru Impreza Rally Car Model 2001
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version III Model 96
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version VI Model 2000
Subaru Impreza Wagon WRX STi Version III Model 96
Subaru Impreza WRX STi Type R Version V Model 98
Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen Model 2002
Subaru Legacy Touring Sports RS Model 93
Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon GT-B Model 98
Subaru Outback Limited Model 2001
Subaru Preo RS Model 98
Subaru Rex Supercharger VX Model 90
Subaru Vivio RX-RA Model 97
Suzuki Aerio SX
Suzuki Artworks RS-Z Model 98
Suzuki Capuccino Model 98
Suzuki Concept-S Model 2002
Suzuki Cultus Pikes Peak Rally Car
Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak Rally Car Model 96
Suzuki Ev-Sport Concept Model 99
Suzuki GSX-R 4 Concept Model 2001
Suzuki Hayabusa Racecar Concept
Suzuki Kei S Model 98
Suzuki Wagon R RR Model 98
Tommykaira ZZ-II
Tommykaira ZZ-S Model 95
Toyota 2000 GT Model 67
Toyota 88C Race Car Model 88
Toyota Altezza RS200 Model 98
Toyota Aristo V300 Model 97
Toyota MR-S Autobacs Apex Model 2000
Toyota MR-S Blitz Model 2000
Toyota Camry SE Model 98
Toyota Supra Castrol TomModelo s Model 2001
Toyota Celica GT Model 92
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST165) Model 88
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST205) Model 95
Toyota Celica GT-S Model 2000
Toyota Celica Pikes Peak Special Rally Car Model 97
Toyota Celica Supra II Model 83
Toyota Celica TRD Sports M Model 2000
Toyota Celica Ultimate Concept Model 2000
Toyota Chaser Model 2003
Toyota Corolla Levin BZR (A111) Model 98
Toyota Corolla Levin GT-Apex (AE86) Model 85
Toyota Corolla Rally Car Model 99
Toyota FXS Concept Model 2001
Toyota Gardena GT-T Model 97
Toyota GT-One (TS020) Road Car Model 99
Toyota GT-One Race Car Model 99
Toyota Mark II Tourer S Model 92
Toyota Matrix XRS Model 2002
Toyota MR2 1600G-Limited Super Charger (AW11) Model 86
Toyota MR2 GT-S Model 98
Toyota MR2 Targa Model 90
Toyota MR2 TTE Concept Model 2001
Toyota POD Concept Model 2001
Toyota Prius Rally Car Model 2002
Toyota RSC Rally Car Model 2001
Toyota Scion ccX
Toyota Soarer 2.5 GT-T VVT-i Model 96
Toyota Solara Model 2002
Toyota Starlet 3 door (KP61) Model 82
Toyota Starlet 3 door Turbo S (EP71) Model 87
Toyota Starlet Glanza V Model 98
Toyota Supra Esso Ultraflo Race Car Model 2001
Toyota Supra GT Turbo Limited (MA70) Model 89
Toyota Supra HKS Drag Car
Toyota Supra RZ Model 97
Toyota Supra Turbo Model 89
Toyota Supra TwinTurbo-R (JZA70) Model 91
Toyota Supra Veilside Limited Model 99
Toyota Vitz F Model 99
TRD 3000GT
TVR Cerbera 4.2 Model 2000
TVR Cerbera 4.5 Model 2000
TVR Cerbera LM Race Car
TVR Cerbera Speed 12 Model 2000
TVR Cerbera Speed 6
TVR Chimaera 500 Model 2000
TVR Griffith 500s Model 2000
TVR T350C Model 2002
TVR Tasmin Model 81
TVR Tuscan Model 70
TVR Tuscan S Model 2001
TVR Vixen 2500M Model 73
Ultima GTR Model 2000
Ultima Spyder Model 2000
Vauxhall Vectra FIA Super Touring Race Car Model 99
Vauxhall VX220 Model 2000
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo Model 2003
Vector M12 Model 96
Vector M12 LM
Vector W8 Model 91
Vector WX3 Concept Model 92
Venturi Atlantique 300 Model 95
Venturi Atlantique 400GT Model 95
Venturi Atlantique LM Race Car
Venturi Grand Prix Concept Model 2002
Volkswagen 1-Litre Concept Model 2002
Volkswagen Beetle Model 64
Volkswagen Corrado Model 93
Volkswagen Golf GTI 25th Anniversary Model 2002
Volkswagen Golf III GTi VR6 Model 95
Volkswagen Golf IV 2.3 V5 Model 2000
Volkswagen Golf R32 Model 2002
Volkswagen Golf Race Car
Volkswagen Lupo GTI
Volkswagen New Beetle 1.8 Turbo Model 98
Volkswagen New Beetle 2.0
Volkswagen New Beetle RSi Model 2000
Volkswagen Oettinger Jetta 1.8T Model 2000
Volkswagen Passat W8
Volkswagen Phaeton W12 Model 2002
Volkswagen Super Beetle Model 78
Volvo 340
Volvo C70 Model 96
Volvo S40 Race Car Model 99
Volvo S60 R Model 2003
Volvo S70 R
Volvo S80

Apologies if i shouldnt of posted them but i felt it a good indication ;)

[Fats]

That's a lot of driving!

Here's hoping that the majority of that list makes it to GT4.

Here's a few pictures of some of the cars mentioned in that list posted by Slayer X...

Saab 9-3 Viggen Pikes Peak Rally Car Model 2000

http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2000_saab_9-3_pikes_peak-1.jpg

Koenigsegg CC 8S Model 2002

http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2002_koenigsegg_cc-1.
jpg

Can anybody say, "worlds fastest production car"...

Mercedes Benz SLR

http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/mercedes/slr_1.jpg

Why do TommyKaira only have two cars on the list? If you visit their website you can see how many cars they tune. I think Gran Turismo 2 actually had a lot of Tommy Kaira cars which were based on other cars, such as the Nissan Skyline. Check out their website...

Hit me!!! (http://tommykaira.com/tkcars/tkcars.htm)

[richjwild]

christ. were in for a treat. dont u think there could be too many cars?

[ultimategamer2004]

Not too many but it is unlikly we will get too use them all in a while :cry:

[Nas]

Yes it would definetly take a while to save up for all those cars but it is something to look forward to.

[ultimategamer2004]

True it will take ages with so many races and the last one was long i still aint finished it :oops:

[Fats]

I haven't actually finished it myself, and it's unlikely that I will. I'm not exactly the patient gamer. The only Gran Turismo that I have ever completed is the first one, which, at the time was quite a long-lasting game.

[NickSCFC]

New videos - Renault Alpine in Paris
mms://stream.playstation.jp/scej/mv_gt4_paris_dv.wmv
mms://stream.playstation.jp/scej/mv_gt4_paris_qv.wmv

http://www.pcgames.com.cn/tvgames/bao/pic/0406/pic/pcgames0625gt11.jpg

http://www.pcgames.com.cn/tvgames/bao/pic/0406/pic/pcgames0625gt12.jpg

[richjwild]

some more pictures of paris - - - - -

clicky clicky (http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=30846&subsectio nid=1585)

[Nas]

I think GT4 is going to break the 100 million barrier for the PS2 and way beyond this year, the game looks fuckin spectacular and man the response, this game is going to sell like hotcakes, every Xboy I know is drooling over this game, I still cant believe how big this game is going to be.

[NickSCFC]

Why? They have Forza to look forward to instead.

[solidus]

Why would they? Those few dev shots? There has been nothing announced for this game so what's there to look forward too??

[NickSCFC]

Not read any of the previews then? Anyway, I was replying to Naz's stupid comment.

[solidus]

I read alot of previews and all of them said this will destroy Gt4, bla bla bla bla....
Obviously all X-box sites. At clearly objective previews they don't have many things to say...

[NickSCFC]

Read neutral opinions like Edge.

[jaxmkii]

you play games... you drive GT
What on Earth's that supposed to mean?

other driving games are ment to be flashy pritty with groovy tunes and wildly imposible physics and gimicked out cars ex... NFSU, PGR1+2 all of EA nascar games

to most folks GT is never truly realised. you would have to have been a hardcore gearhead to get it at the level it was intended AND have got some tracktime in. in fact the devs where not sure it would evin sell that its target market was to small but thankfully they always did good on the grafix so the rest of the gaming world picked it up.

what im saying is most folks dont understand what GT is...

its a gearhead thing you would't understand :)

[bRoNx]

Well, not necessarily...

Polyphony are trying to (and to some extend "have achieved") create an experience so real that even non-gearheads can appreciate. And being the biggest selling console game in history, I'm sure there's not that many gearheads! But what I am sure of, is that there's that many people out there that would love to experience the thrill of driving these "exotic" cars, and the only/best way to do it without selling your mama to buy one, is to experience it ("play" just doesn't do justice to the game) on GT.

That's what I reckon anyways...

[ultimategamer2004]

I would have to agree it is the most realistic driving game on any console at this time.

[NickSCFC]

Sure it's one of the most realistic, but I wouldn't say that I found it the most fun, compared to games like Burnout, Sega Rally and Ridge Racer it just feels tiresome.

[ultimategamer2004]

yes it is far from the most frun i loved burnout.. GT series can be a bit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz GT zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz at time i think.

[Kiwi]

Sure it's one of the most realistic, but I wouldn't say that I found it the most fun, compared to games like Burnout, Sega Rally and Ridge Racer it just feels tiresome.

Games like Burnout are better because they're a little removed from realism. Gran Turismo sticks rigidly to realism, so sometimes it's more fun with the big crashes of Burnout.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes that is very true i think burnout is the best racing game for pure fun!
GT4 is good but a little boring.

[Fats]

Well, call me a big fat bore then. But I prefer GT4 to Burnout, Full stop.

[The_One]

Heh, never played Burnout, but me and one of my buddy like to get together once a week and give GT3 a go. He ALWAYS seem to beat me on the second lap for some reason :roll:.

[ultimategamer2004]

Unlucky!

If your in front on the last lap just dont try to hard or you will probably crash..

Another thing is the speed limiter when you hit a wall at high speed i think you shouldent have to hit it that hard to get one cus you could just drive round on the wall!