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Zorotrav
11-26-2002, 05:46 AM
Rob Fahey 16:16 26/06/2002
We knew they were going to lose money, but not this much.


Sources within Microsoft have quoted internal estimates showing the company losing £525m ($750m) on the Xbox project this fiscal year (which ends this month), with next years losses expected to top £720m ($1.1bn).

The quotes, which appeared in an article in US technology magazine Red Herring this week, compare with an estimated loss of £590m ($900m) over a period of eight years, which is what Bill Gates was allegedly presented with for Xbox in 1999.

The article in Red Herring goes on to discuss the hardware unit costs of the Xbox, which it estimates at $325 per unit – resulting in a $150 loss on each console sold in the USA, where the system is sold to retail at about $175. Per-unit losses will be somewhat higher in Japan, where the console has had its (already very low) price slashed aggressively in order to shore up weak sales. Here in Europe, where the Xbox is most expensive, losses will still be in the order of at least $50 per console.

The news is not good for Microsoft in the long term, either. Although Nintendo and Sony can expect their hardware costs to fall massively over the coming years (Sony has already integrated some of the biggest components in the PS2 onto a single chip, reducing their manufacturing cost significantly), Microsoft’s use of third-party “off the shelf” components precludes such a strategy. Red Herring predicts that it will take five years for the cost of building an Xbox to drop from $325 to $225 – by which point the console will probably be verging on obsolete and retailing at well below $99.

Although the figures make for grim reading, these kinds of losses are not unsustainable for a company the size of Microsoft, and the Seattle-based giant’s commitment to the videogames market is unlikely to waver. Microsoft sees the Xbox as simply the first shot in a lengthy battle, and if it can gain significant market share in people’s living rooms, multi-billion dollar losses will be no doubt be perceived as a worthwhile investment.

Microsoft is rumoured to be considering a second roll-out of Xbox hardware next year, featuring TiVo style digital video recorder technology. The new device, which would reinstate the TV decoding abilities of the NVIDIA chipset in the Xbox as well as adding a larger hard drive and MS’ UltimateTV recorder software, could retail for about $500 in the USA at launch.

Link (http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=210)

scizor666
11-27-2002, 05:19 AM
Meh ... I knew already that it was going to happen, their manufacturing costs are way to high.
That's why I believe that Nintendo is really the smartest company business wise in the end ... they new that manufacturing costs are high and that a dvd player, hard-drive, etc... would cost a lot of money, and by creating the GameCube without these things, the GameCube becomes less expensive to manufacture and cheaper for the consumers. Thus both Nintendo and the people win the end ! :D

Nintendohead
11-27-2002, 05:59 AM
Yeah it all makes sense,Microsoft is way too costly on things.btw How many pounds is it to a dollar?

Shmagoolski
11-29-2002, 05:05 AM
about 1.5

adrian100
11-29-2002, 08:38 AM
Well Microsoft had it coming.Bad luck for them.

Zorotrav
12-01-2002, 06:44 AM
Nintendohead it says Microsoft have quoted internal estimates showing the company losing >>>$750m<<< on the Xbox project this fiscal year, with next years losses expected to top >>>$1.1bn<<<. :) hope that helps :angel:

Jon
12-02-2002, 03:19 AM
Bill wipes his ass with $1.1 billion dollars every day. But even for Microsoft thats a pretty big loss.

dncardman
12-02-2002, 05:31 AM
HOLY CRAP u have 1432 in cash iv'e never heard of u....anyway ha M$ had it commin that's what they get for messing with nintendo.

sagara0510
12-02-2002, 05:34 AM
why would the xbox need a bigger HD?

Cheat_Master
12-02-2002, 06:37 AM
i guess you people just dont like new things or somethin seems like you all hate xbox. BTW this news is old, look at the date. That is some very old stuff looks to be brought up to start a bashing...

Supa_Nova
12-02-2002, 08:36 AM
Cheat Master of course some of us would be against the xbox. and y not? this is a nintendo forum. Me on the other dont dislike the xbox, just the damn people who make it! (M$). im glad theyere losing money, which there not really cause billy boy earns like 1mil a secondl.

sagara0510
12-02-2002, 01:42 PM
well i thought my question was ligitimate
i don't see why an 8gb HD isn't big enough for a console.

HolyPaladin
12-02-2002, 03:34 PM
Exactly my thoughts about that. I mean: How much hard drive space do you need for save files? Do they expect somebody to have save files for more than 10,000 games on their Xbox? I remember reading that PS2 production costs were something like $500 each when it came out, selling at a $200 loss each when at $300. Now down to $200, I wonder if they managed to drop their production costs by anywhere near $300.

Anybody know how much a Gamecube costs to make? I remember back when Nintendo's follow-up to the N64 was still an rumor that nobody would accept and so many people kept swearing that, if they did make another console, it would be way weaker and still more expensive than PS2, but turned out to be more powerful and way less expensive. Oh, they also kept insisting that Nintendo would never abandon the cartrige format.

Cheat_Master
12-02-2002, 10:55 PM
Well you can also save your own soundtracks remember. That takes alot of space.

Blaksmoke
12-03-2002, 12:02 AM
X Box LIVE better sell shitloads.

sagara0510
12-03-2002, 10:31 AM
nah soundtracks are irrelevant
if u take into account one song is btwn 5-10 megs, an 8gb HD can store btwn 800-1600 songs.

the only thing the xbox might need a bigger HD for is if microsoft are trying to change things around by making games that 'install' alot of data onto the HD and read it off there. sorta like PC games. this'll help run games faster as data is faster to access on a HD than on a cd drive

Cheat_Master
12-03-2002, 02:25 PM
well i dont complain about it. atleast u dont have to buy an external one like sony's that is going to be 40 gigs. (you dont have to but if u wanted it). Also the hdd is alot cheaper then memory cards. A 40 gb hdd is like 50$ two memory cards cost around 60$ at launch. This 8gb hdd probably cost them maybe 10$ if that..

And blaksmoke xbox live has already sold over 150,000 units. Not bad for an online gaming community. Will always have somone to play against.

Blaksmoke
12-03-2002, 10:03 PM
Unless you have a dial-up............ like 54% of the world with an internet service........

Cheat_Master
12-03-2002, 11:12 PM
yes but i believe broadband will soon be in alot more homes then dial up. Dial up may be cheap but its so shitty. I couldnt stand to go back now that i have DSL. And i know alot of people want broadband and the price will only go down..

sagara0510
12-04-2002, 04:29 AM
hey don't get me wrong
by no means am i complaining about microsoft puttin in a bigger HD. i just would like to know the reasons behind needing a bigger one. and i forgot abt sony's hdd.....wtf do u need 40gigs for?!?!

i have 120gb on my pc but most of that is mainly used to store anime avi's and movie avi's. only a small fraction is spent on games.