Gran Turismo 4 Discussion Thread Part 4

[Kiwi]

Continuation of the GT4 thread:

Part 1 (http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39)
Part 2 (http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2153)
Part 3 (http://playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2451)

Keep it on-topic please.

[NickSCFC]

Any idea of whether we get all the tracks from the start? Because it's sounding like single player is going to be another boring adventure.

"Another post by Nick moaning about GT's non existant AI"

[Fats]

Did you notice how dumb the AI STILL is in prologue?

[NickSCFC]

What AI?

To be honest, I only think I'll bother with this if it has a worthwhile online mode. Seems like single player will be just as uninspiring as with past games in the series.

[Fats]

I'm too much of a fan of the series to let it pass, I need my fix.

[NickSCFC]

Enthusia and Forza (Xbox) are looking worthy racing sims. And there's plenty of great racing action on the way in the form of Outrun 2 and Burnout 3.

[Squarehed]

i think the AI will be sorted 4 GT4 though.

hope its up 2 the standard of other games.

did u guys think total immersion racin was any good ai?

[NickSCFC]

According to most mags the AI has not been altered for GT4 one bit. It's close to release in Japan and it's not looking good.

[Fats]

I wouldn't be so pessimistic about it yet, you haven't actually played it yourself yet (final code) and from what I gather you're a pretty Opinionated guy, so don't let the opinions of the press effect your stance on the game. I've noticed you've become VERY anti-Sony ever sence you started talking about getting an X-box. Could we be losing you to the darkside? :P

[Kiwi]

Any idea of whether we get all the tracks from the start? Because it's sounding like single player is going to be another boring adventure.

"Another post by Nick moaning about GT's non existant AI"

I would guess that they'd do something similar to A-spec, as in you unlock the tracks as you progress.

And as for the AI, well, what AI? The cars just stick to the exact path, and don't really do anything else. IF you're in the way, then you'll get hit, why bother going around my car when you can go through it? :)

[ultimategamer2004]

I'm too much of a fan of the series to let it pass, I need my fix.

Seen as they are going to have a car customize feature it may give the game a bit of a boost and excitment.

[NickSCFC]

I wouldn't be so pessimistic about it yet, you haven't actually played it yourself yet (final code) and from what I gather you're a pretty Opinionated guy, so don't let the opinions of the press effect your stance on the game. I've noticed you've become VERY anti-Sony ever sence you started talking about getting an X-box. Could we be losing you to the darkside? :P
You never saw my running battles with Makaveli then? I'm trying to be more positive about Sony now, we've been starved of quality games on PS2 for a year now, but there's some good stuff coming :D

[Fats]

I'm sure Kaz has been working away and making sure this GT will be full of excitement and he's keeping hush hush about it. I'm sure he has heard enough Criticisms in the past to ammend the mistakes made in GT3... Well, I hope anyway.

to be honest with you I haven't bought an awful lot of games in a while, this would be due to me being unemployed. I have noticed one thing though... When I decide to buy a game I walk in, look around for 20 minutes and decide not to buy a game. Just because I can't see anything that I'll enjoy. I'm talking about new releases here, so I guess the next time I go to buy a game it'll have to be something that has been out for a while, such as ICO.

[NickSCFC]

Multiplayer should be great as long as there's no problems. I'll play it online instead of single player.

I found GT3 a little boring in single player anyway.

[Fats]

I've found it boring up to 75% and haven't played it sence. The game itself it massive and gives you plenty to choose from, but if the material that you have cannot be used in a way deemed fun after a month or two it just becomes dull and unplayable.

[ultimategamer2004]

Multiplayer should be great as long as there's no problems. I'll play it online instead of single player.

I found GT3 a little boring in single player anyway.

Same here it is a bit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz phhhhh zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz at times in multiplayer it is great though...

So long aswell!

[damack]

Edited by Matt: Screens have always been posted here (http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2451&start=270).

[ultimategamer2004]

Nope all of those have been posted in this or the previous GT4 Thread.

[NickSCFC]

http://free.one.picturehost.co.uk/102477_1090428088.jpg
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[ultimategamer2004]

Good screens Nick would rather have close ups though but they still look brilliant. :lol:

[NickSCFC]

By the way that's the new Las Vegas course.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yep it looks like it too i cant see alot from the screens though!

[Fats]

I wonder if there will be optional gambling...

[Ress Cor]

I hope you do realize that good AI is just regular AI made to be stupid, otherwise the computer would rape the floor with you, the program knows where you are at all times, so in GT A-Spec it does just that, plow right through you, if you make it roaming, then it could pass you without touching you.

[Kiwi]

That seems to be the trouble, if they make it really good, then we wouldn't really stand much of a chance.

[KlawHammer]

And the game reviewers over at GameSpy.com will just criticize the AI for being too hard, and if its too easy they'll complain about that as well... :P :P

[Fats]

Most people compain about the AI not being human like enough, as humans do tend to make mistakes and have a spin or two. I really think that there should be more than 6 cars on the track at once. I've noticed that once you're ahead of the pack it tends to get really dull, expecially in the endurance races.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yeah there isnt alot of fun to be had when well infront in endurance races it is very dull! If you car is powerful enoungh you can stay behind the leader than on the last lap overtake :lol: That will piss him off! :wink:

[Kiwi]

That's what happens a lot of the time. Even if you make a mistake, you can simply overtake everywhere in a matter of seconds, because your car is ridiculously fast.

[ultimategamer2004]

And thats a good thing i have an escudo pikes peak in GT3 with 1881BHP and it overtakes anything in no time at all!

[Kiwi]

Becomes a bit difficult to keep on the road at that point though.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yeah it is shite in the corners anyways i think that GT4 will be good when you can customize cars its going to give it a bit of life.

[NickSCFC]

http://img3.imgspot.com/u/04/204/13/hongkong1.jpg
http://img3.imgspot.com/u/04/204/13/hongkong4.jpg
http://img3.imgspot.com/u/04/204/13/hongkong2.jpg
http://img3.imgspot.com/u/04/204/13/hongkong3.jpg

[ultimategamer2004]

Good screens i like the top too because it has good detail in the background i aint much for the last one though well not as good as the others.

[richjwild]

nice screenshots but they dont seem to be as sharp as we are used to for GT4

[Kiwi]

Probably just the picture quality. You know it'll look amazing by now! :)

[ultimategamer2004]

I'm sure that it will look sharper in the actual game GT always does.

[Fats]

Emmmmm... Look at em screens. :)

[ultimategamer2004]

I know but the GT screens dont seem the same as in game if they aint in real time.

[KlawHammer]

I like those backgrounds but they look like bitmaps that were saved half file size...

[ultimategamer2004]

there are simply just not sharp as we are used to seeing i dont know about them being saved as BMP.

[NickSCFC]

For colour they're the best I've seen so far, there's an atmosphere to them.

[kevindenoyette]

I saw some photo mode gt4 pics over at gamespot, looked terrific, i'll try to find em and put em up, good detail on them as well.

[Squarehed]

Back to the bit about the endurance races being too easy. I used a Gillet Vertigo on the Grand Valley endurance race. Yes it was a bit more powerful than the competition but it was the most fun i have had in a race for years. The pit stops were the thing that kept it close! The comp cars dont use tyres half as much as the human players do!!

[Ress Cor]

Don't whine about the graphics, the game looks amazing. PS2 may have 294Mhz, but this game looks better then any racer to date on any PC or console, just amazing. I guess the great news now is Polyphony Digital will make so much money on this game, they will be making the PS3 version in no time.

[PS2warrior]

8) That could be true. 8)

[Maya 5.0]

Here is the new pics you were talking about.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/granturismo4/screenindex.html

I am now a very happy man since in those pictures is a 1970 Chevelle SS in which i own in true life :).If you see a guy online driving that you will know it's me.

[julps31]

Man, those are unbeleivable. I can't wait to race those muscle cars. I want a classic mustang fastback.

[kevindenoyette]

any reports on the gameplay? customization wise and stuff, i haven't played gt since gt2, will there be made a lot of changes, will you be able to customise a lot of stuff/ more than in previous versions, ect? I'd be thankful if someone could answer this.

[julps31]

I don't know how much GT4's costomizations have improved over the past three games. But I can tell you that they've already been good and will probably only get better. That would be nice if there was a way to do exterior modifications like emblems, spoilers, ect. Maybe you can. I need to read up on it.

[Squarehed]

Wooo!
Saleen's gonna be here. All i need now to complete my trio of cars is the koenigsegg!!!!! Those are the three cars ill need for the game
(Mclaren F1, Saleen S7 and that!)

[Fats]

In terms or customization I don't see the need to improve GT4 that much. If you mean customization in terms of ascetic purposes I don't think we're going to be able to add 20 inch rims and neon lights. Thank god.

[julps31]

In terms or customization I don't see the need to improve GT4 that much. If you mean customization in terms of ascetic purposes I don't think we're going to be able to add 20 inch rims and neon lights. Thank god.
I don't think anybody expects those type of costomizations from Gran Turismo. After all its not a street racing game. I could see body modifications like spoilers, exhaust mods, and other things like that that might effect your cars performance to an extent..

[Fats]

I still don't think that we're going to see any modifications that will have visual impact on the game, I could be wrong but I'll take a guess and say that we won't.

I'd really like to be proven wrong here, hopefully Polyphony will deliver!

[PS2warrior]

Mind you, this wasn't just a rehashed E3 version, but an even fresher shiny spinning disc, you diggity dig? 114 cars and nine tracks along with the fancy new Heads-Up Display and the 3D polygonal pedestrians--that's what was so special about this new rev of Gran Turismo 4. Even better, it was like a ghost town near the GT4 kiosks--no annoying kids, no obnoxious fanboys, just the newest version of GT4 on the planet all to ourselves. We could dissect and obsess over every track, car and pixel. Well, alcohol does a lot to impede concentration and one's attention span, but we did manage to get some good time behind the wheel--er, DualShock 2.

It doesn't take rocket scientist to know that the physics have been tweaked to near perfection. Even the pre-Beta build we tested at E3 started to feel worlds apart from the initial build we played at E3 2003. Plus, playing GT4 with a standard DualShock 2 controller isn't how it's meant to be played. Anyway, without the Logitech wheel, we were forced to take a deeper look at the game, versus just playing and enjoying the game.

A total of nine tracks were available for play. These are: Tsukuba Circuit, Fuji Speedway, Grand Canyon, New York, Citti di Aria, Nurburgring, George V Paris, Hong Kong and Costa di Amalfi--the latter four tracks being the newest we've seen for GT4. Some readers may remember our time with Nurburgring at E3, but this was the first time we could really get into examining Paris, HK and Capri.

Each of the new tracks has the same consistent look we've seen from the initial five courses, but benefits from being in a closer-to-complete game. The lighting in each of these tracks is spot-on, particularly true in Paris and Hong Kong, where the night lights cause a subtle glare off the cobblestone and pavement.

More than a year ago, we expected GT4 to be nothing more than a marginal improvement over GT3--that's what Gran Turismo Concept was so we expected the same again. We were way off. Compare GT4 to GT3 when you have a chance; the difference in visuals is insane. These two courses are excellent examples of lighting and reflecting mapping. Lights, reflections and the surrounding environments appear on the highly-detailed models like never before.
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But the biggest news, at least to the discerning GT fan, is that Polyphony has put in place its 3D pedestrians. Long thought to be a Kazunori-pipedream this latest GT will, indeed, have semi-polygonal spectators. As the rendering engine is already taxing the aging PS2 near the max, some of the spectators will remain static, 2D billboards.


The 3D pedestrians aren't to the quality of, say, RalliSport Challenge, but they're much better than the previously fat persuasion. Under close inspection there are seams and the models appear to be almost faked, but they do have multiple sides and don't get pixilated up close. Once again, the game isn't done yet and hasn't hit Beta. It's possible that these 3D models will be updated and enhanced before the game ships. But they're in there.

Even the first five tracks get revised art treatment in the form of slightly improved textures (in some areas) and the newly-3D spectators. As mentioned above, the tracks have a mix of 2D and 3D spectators, with the lower-quality billboards appearing further away. There is definitely some visual progress being made as the game gets closer to being a finished product.

Let's go over the Heads-Up Display as it looks to be the final one we'll see in the game. We were unsure if this was the case at E3--as many things change from first-playables to final, boxed copies. Seeing as the few gameplay screens feature this HUD, unchanged, it's pretty much the one we'll see come this November. Note that the display is a lot busier than it used to be, but has a lot more pertinent information. The brake/throttle display is now integrated and you want have to pause and press Select to view it. We have yet to see the modified display for those who choose to see wheel-position.

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1. Position/Lap

Basic stuff here, your position is monitored here. Hopefully, you'll see 1 most of the time. This is your current lap and total number of laps--this will change depending on settings as well as venue chosen.

2. Map

Here's the fancy map with your current location in blue and first in red. Go git 'em!

3. Rear View/Current Laptime

It's unlikely the rear view will look this fancy. Don't expect much in terms of detail except for the road and cars behind you. Current laptime is listed directly below the rear view

4. Best Laptime/Last Lap

The best laptime followed by your last lap time. We're not sure whether or not we'll be allowed to download ghosts and update best laptime with those found on the Internet.

5. TCS/ Handbrake

Traction Control is represented by an exclamation point with a triangle. It lights up anytime the wheels slip. The exclamation point in a circle lights up anytime you press the handbrake button.

6. Speedo/digital to right

An analog speedometer lists speed, but you'll probably look at the digital speedo in the middle of the HUD most of the time, anyway.

7. Brake meter

This thin, curved meter turns fills up with red the more you press the brake button. It's an easy way to gauge how hard you're slamming on the brakes.

8. Suggested gear/current gear

There's no easier way to enter and exit the turns than with this. The top number represents the gear you should be in. The bottom number represents your current gear. The suggested gear is dependent on the track and car.

9. G-Meter

Here's where it's at, the G-meter, measuring up to 2 lateral Gs in either direction. We're not sure how it'll play into driving, but, for now, it's there.

10. Accel meter

This thin, curved meter turns fills up with blue the more you press the throttle button. It's an easy way to gauge how heavy your right foot is.

11. Tachometer

Engine revs per minute, nice and easy.

12. Boost gauge

Displays boost in forced induction vehicles (super and turbocharged). Negative numbers and you're running on engine power alone, once it goes past 0 (into positive boost) you're boosting.

13. Oil/fuel

There was previously an oil gauge, but there is also a fuel gauge, too, leading us to believe that the endurance races will have you pit in for more than just tires and oil this time around.

[ultimategamer2004]

But the biggest news, at least to the discerning GT fan, is that Polyphony has put in place its 3D pedestrians. Long thought to be a Kazunori-pipedream this latest GT will, indeed, have semi-polygonal spectators. As the rendering engine is already taxing the aging PS2 near the max, some of the spectators will remain static, 2D billboards.

yey :lol: but i think that most will be semi polygonal spectators but this is better than billbords like cardboard cut outs :roll:

[kevindenoyette]

I just have one question. Does this gt4 have the viper? This is crucial. Extremely crucial.

[NickSCFC]

Yes

[kevindenoyette]

does it have dodge as a brand? It doesn't seem like it.

[NickSCFC]

It'll be under Chrysler.

[kevindenoyette]

m-m-m-m-m-marvelous

[Fats]

As if GT4 wouldn't have a Viper... That would just be silly. :P

[ultimategamer2004]

Yep with its vast selection of games 500+ its going to have a massive selection of course with a viper!

[NickSCFC]

http://www.mx2.co.uk/acatalog/PS2536.jpg

Nursnow

http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/photos/gt4_nursnow/Nursnow11.jpghttp://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/photos/gt4_nursnow/Nursnow12.jpg
http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/photos/gt4_nursnow/Nursnow3.jpg
http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/photos/gt4_nursnow/Nursnow5.jpg
http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/photos/gt4_nursnow/Nursnow6.jpg
http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/photos/gt4_nursnow/Nursnow7.jpg

[ultimategamer2004]

no pics i'm going to the site :lol:

[Fats]

no pics i'm going to the site :lol:

lol, same here...

[NickSCFC]

F*ck's sake! OK, they're on www.gtplanet.net

[PS2warrior]

The cars in this thread will be marked according to how they are known to us at the moment. The system will be as follows:

Cars marked with an asterik (*) are from GT4: Prologue. These cars may not make it into the final version of GT4.

In parenthesis is the number of cars in each of the three color categories for that manufacturer. A complete total is at the bottom.


AC
Cobra

ACURA
CL 3.2 Type-S ('00)
Integra Type-R ('01)

ALFA ROMEO
147 GTA ('02)
155 V6 TI (DTM '93)
156 2.5 V6 24V ('99)
156 GTA
156 Sport Wagon 2.5 V6 24V
GTV 3.0 V6 24V ('01)
Guilia Sprint GTA 1600 ('65)
Spyder

ALPINE
(Renault) A110 1600S ('73)

AMUSE
350Z
S2000

ARIEL
Atom

ASL
Garaiya ('02)
Garaiya (ARTA JGTC '03)

AST0N MARTIN
DB7 GT
Vanquish ('00)
V8 Vantage V600

AUDI (7 - 0 - 1)
(Abt) TT-R (Sony DTM '02)
A2 1.4 ('02)
A3 3.2 Quattro ('03)
A6 S-Line Quattro 2.7T
RS6 Sedan ('02)
RS6 Avant
S3 ('02)
TT 1.8T Quattro ('00)

AUSTIN-HEALEY
3000

AUTOBIANCHI
A112 Abarth ('79)

BENTLEY (0 - 2 - 1)
Continental (older car)
Continental GT
Continental T

BMW (8 - 5 - 0)
118d
118i
120d ('04)
120i ('04)
320i (ETCC '03)
Concept M5 ('04)
M3 (E36)
M3 SMG-II
M3 GTR Race Car ('01)
M5
X5 4.6iS
V12 LMR (LeMans '99)
Z4 3.0i

BRISTOL
402
Blenheim

BUICK
Special (60s, custom tuned)

CADILLAC
Cien Concept ('02)
CTS

CATERHAM
Fireblade

CHAPARRAL
None Yet

CHEVROLET
Camaro Z28 302
Camaro Z28 ('97)
Camaro SS ('00)
Chevelle SS 454 ('70)
Corvette Convertible ('54)
Corvette Grand Sport ('96)
Corvette Stingray L46 350 ('68)
Corvette Z06
Corvette C5-R ('00)
SSR ('03)

CHRYSLER
Crossfire ('03)
Prowler

CITROËN
BX GTi
C5 V6 Exclusive ('03)
CX
GX
Saxo Super 1600

DAIHATSU
Copen Active Top* ('02)
Midget II D-Type ('98)
Mira TR-XX Avanzato-R* ('97)
Move CX 2WD ('95)
Naked
Storia X4 ('98)

DODGE
Challenger R/T
Tomahawk Concept
SRT-4 ('03)
Super Bee
Viper GTS* ('98)
Viper GTS-R Team Oreca
Viper GTSR Concept ('00)
Viper SRT-10

DOME (1 - 0 - 0)
Zero Concept ('78)

DONKERVOORT
None Yet

FERRARI
348
355
360 Modena

FIAT
500F ('65)
Barchetta Giovane Due ('00)
Coupe Turbo Plus ('00)
Panda 1000S ('90)
Punto HGT Abarth ('00)

FORD
(Boss) Mustang 429
Escort Cosworth
Escort RS Turbo
Escort Rally Car ('96)
Falcon FPV GT
Falcon FPV F6 Typhoon
Falcon XR8 (FPR V8 Supercar)
Fiesta RS Turbo
Focus ST170
Focus Rally Car* ('99)
Focus RS
GT Concept* ('02)
GT ('05)
GT LM Edition
GT40 Race Car ('69)
Ka
Model T
Mustang SVT Cobra-R ('00)
RS200
Sierra Cosworth
Taurus SHO ('91)
Taurus SHO ('95)
Taurus SHO ('98)

GINETTA
G4 ('61)
G12
G15
G20
G21
G33

GUI GUI MURAO
RX-7

HONDA (34 - 9 - 2)
(Ballade Sport) CRX 1.5i ('83)
1300 Coupe 9S
Accord Aerodeck 2.0 Si
Accord 2.0 Si
Accord SiR
Accord Wagon SiR
Accord Coupe (US) ('88)
Accord Coupe LX V6 6-speed
Beat Version F* ('91)
Civic 1600S
Civic SiR
Civic SiR-II ('91)
Civic Type-R* ('98)
Civic Type-R ('01)
City Turbo-II ('83)
CRX SiR ('90)
CRX del Sol SiR ('92)
DualNote Concept ('01)
Fit W* ('01)
HSC Concept* ('03)
Insight ('99)
Integra Type-R (2-door)* ('98)
Integra Type-R (4-door)
Integra Type-R ('01)
Integra Type-R LM Edition
Jazz Turbo
N360 ('67)
NSX Type-R ('92)
NSX Type-S Zero* ('97)
NSX (2nd gen)
NSX (Takata Dome JGTC '03)*
NSX-R ('02)
NSX-R LM Edition Race Car
Odyssey L-Type* ('03)
Prelude XX
Prelude 2.0 Si
Prelude Si VTEC ('91)
Prelude Type-S ('96)
S800
S2000
S2000 Type-V
S2000 ('03)*
T360
Today
Z Act ('70)

HYUNDAI
Clix Concept
Coupe
HCD6 Concept

INFINITI
None Yet

ISUZU
117 Coupe ('68)
Bellett GT
Piazza

JAGUAR
E-Type
S-Type R
XJ220 Race Car ('92)
XJ6
XJR
XKR Coupe
X-Type 3.0 V6 SE

JEEP
Cherokee Sport
Wrangler Sport

JENSEN
541R
Interceptor
S-V8

LANCIA
Delta S4 Rally Car ('85)
Delta Intergrale HF Rally Car* ('92)
Stratos Rally Car ('77)

LAND ROVER
Discovery HSE
Range Rover Vogue
Range Stormer Concept

LEADlNG EDGE
RT240

LISTER
Storm V12 Race Car

LOTUS
340R
Elise Sport 190* ('98)
Elise ('00)
Esprit Turbo HC ('87)
Esprit Sport 350 ('00)
Europa Special ('71)
Motorsport Elise ('99)

MARCOS
LM600
Mantaray
Mantis
T250

MAZDA
787B (LeMans '91)
Atenza ('01)
Atenza Sport Wagon
Carol 360 Deluxe ('62)
Cosmo Sport ('68)
Demio Sport* ('03)
Eunos Roadster 1.6* ('89)
Eunos Roadster RS ('00)
Familia
Kusabi Concept* ('03)
RX-7 Savanna GT-X ('90)
RX-7 Spirit-R Type-A* ('02)
RX-7 Type-R Bathurst-R
RX-8 Type-S* ('03)
RX-8 LM Edition

McLAREN
F1 GTR Long Tail (Fina LeMans '97)*

MERCEDES-BENZ
(Sauber) C9 (LeMans '89)
190E 2.5 16V Evolution II (DTM '92)
300SL Coupe ('54)
C32 AMG
CL600
CLK-DTM (D2 DTM '00)
CLK-GTR Race Car ('98)
E500 Avant
E55 AMG
SL500
SL55 AMG* ('02)

MG
Maestro Turbo
Metro 6R4
MGF

MINE'S
350Z
Lancer Evolution VI GSR
Lancer Evolution VIII
Skyline GT-R N1 V-Spec (R34) ('00)

MINI
Cooper 1.3i ('98)
Cooper
Cooper S ('02)

MITSUBISHI
Airtrek Turbo-R
Colt (90s)
Colt 1.5 Sport-X Version* ('02)
Colt Galant GTO (70s)
Eclipse GT ('95)
Eclipse Spyder GTS ('03)
eK Wagon
FTO GP Version-R ('97)
FTO LM Edition
Galant VR-4
Galant FTO 1600 (70s)
GTO Twin Turbo ('95)
HSR-II Concept
i Concept* ('03)
Lancer 1600GSR ('74)
Lancer Evolution GSR ('92)
Lancer Evolution IV GSR ('96)
Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car* ('97)
Lancer Evolution V GSR* ('98)
Lancer Evolution VI GSR ('99)
Lancer Evolution VII GSR ('01)
Lancer Evolution VII Rally Car
Lancer Evolution VIII MR* ('03)
Lancer Evolution VIII GSR* ('03)
Legnum VR-4 Type-V ('98)
Mirage Cyborg ZR ('97)
Starion 4WD Rally Car

MORGAN
4/4
Aero-8
Aero-8R Race Car

MORRIS
Minor

NISMO
270R
400R (R33) ('96)
Fairlady Z Gran Turismo Aero ('02)
Fairlady Z Z-Tune* ('03)
March S-Tune
March Cup Car
Skyline S-Tune (V35)
Skyline GT-R S-Tune (R32) ('90)
Skyline GT-R S-Tune (R33)
Skyline GT-R S-Tune (R34)

NISSAN
180SX Type-X ('96)
240RS Rally Car ('85)
Be-1
Bluebird 1600 Deluxe ('69)
Bluebird 1600SSS Rally Car ('69)
Bluebird SSS-R (80s)
Cedric 300LV VIP
Cima (80s)
Cube X ('98)
Cube EX CVT
Fairlady 240ZG* ('71)
Fairlady Z 432R
Fairlady ZT (280ZT)
Fairlady ZX (300ZX)
Fairlady Z Version S 6MT ('02)
Fairlady Z Roadster ('02)*
Fairlady Z LM Edition
GT-R Concept
GT-R LM Edition
March 12C 5-door* ('03)
March 14S
March Super Turbo
Primera 2.0Te
Primera 20V ('01)
Pulsar EXA Canopy LA Version Type-S ('88)
Pulsar EXA2
Pulsar GTi-R
R390 GT1 Race Car ('98)
R89C ('89)
R90CP
Sileighty
Silvia 1800Qs (S13)
Silvia 2000Ks (S13) ('91)
Silvia K's Aero (S14)* ('96)
Silvia K's Aero (S15)
Silvia (S15) (C-West JGTC 2003)
Skyline 350GT-8 (Sedan)
Skyline Coupe 350GT* ('03)
Skyline 2000 GT-R (mid-70s)
Skyline 2000 GT-R Hardtop Coupe (early-70s)
Skyline 2000 GT-R Sedan (60s)
Skyline 2000 RS-X Type-C (R30)
Skyline 2000 Turbo-RS (R30)
Skyline GTS-R (R31)
Skyline GTS-t Type-M (R32) ('91)
Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R32)* ('94)
Skyline GT-R (R33)
Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R34)
Skyline GT-R V-Spec II Nür (R34)* ('02)
Skyline GT-R (Gran Turismo Version - R34)
Skyline GT-R (Xanavi Nismo JGTC '03)*
Skyline GT-R (Falken 'Ring 24H)
Sunny (60s)
Wingroad X Aero
Z Concept

NOBLE
M12 GTO3

OPEL
Astra CD
Astra Touring Car (Opel Team Phoenix DTM '00)
Calibra Touring Car (DTM '94)
Corsa Comfort 1.4 16V ('01)
Speedster Turbo
Tigra 1.6i ('99)
Vectra 3.2 V6 ('03)

OPERA
S2000

ORCA
C113

PAGANI
Zonda C12S 7.3 ('02)
Zonda Race Car

PANOZ
Esperante GTR-1 ('98)

PESCAROLO
C60-Peugeot (LeMans '03)
C60-Judd (LeMans '04)

PEUGEOT
106 S16 ('03)
205 T16 Evolution II Rally Car ('86)
206 CC ('01)
206 SW S16 5-door
206 S16 Limited 3-door
206 Rally Car ('99)
307 XSi 3-door
307 XS 5-door
307 Wagon SW
406 3.0 V6 Coupe ('98)

PLYMOUTH
`Cuda 440 Six Pack ('71)

PONTIAC
GTO ('64)
Solstice Concept
Sunfire GXP Concept ('02)
Vibe GT ('02)

PORSCHE
911 (964)
911 (993)
911 Carrera (996)
911 GT3 (996)
911 GT3-RSR (996)
911 Turbo (996)
Boxster S

PROTO
Spirra

RADICAL
SR-3

RE AMEMIYA
RX-7

RENAULT
Avantime ('02)
Clio
Clio Sport V6 24V ('00)
Clio Sport Race Car ('00)
R5 Turbo ('80)
R5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car ('85)
Spyder

ROVER
75

RUF
3400S ('00)
BTR
CTR2 ('96)
R-GT ('00)
R-Turbo

SAAB
9-3 Aero 2.0T
9-5 Arc 3.0T

SALEEN
S7 ('02)

SEAT
None Yet

SHELBY
Cobra 427 ('67)

SMART
City
Coupe
Roadster

SPOON
Civic Type-R* ('99)
Fit Race Car* ('02)
S2000
S2000 Race Car* ('00)

SUBARU
Impreza WRX STi Sedan (Version V) ('94)
Impreza WRX STi Type-R (Version VI) ('99)
Impreza WRX STi Sedan (Version VI)* ('99)
Impreza WRX STi Wagon (Version VI) ('99)
Impreza WRX STi Rally Car (Version VI)* ('99)
Impreza WRX Wagon (Version VIII)
Impreza WRX STi (Version VIII)* ('02)
Impreza WRX STi Rally Car (Version VIII)* ('03)
Impreza WRX STi (Cusco Advan JGTC '03)*
Legacy B4 2.0GT ('03)
Legacy B4 2.0GT Spec-B* ('03)
Legacy B4 3.0R* ('03)
Legacy B4 Blitzen ('00)
Legacy Touring Wagon GT-B ('96)
Legacy Touring Wagon B4 2.0GT ('03)
Legacy Touring Wagon B4 2.0GT Spec-B* ('03)
Legacy Touring Wagon B4 3.0R* ('03)

SUZUKI
Alto Works Sport Limited* ('97)
Cappuccino* ('92)
Concept-S2* ('03)
Escudo (Pikes Peak Version) ('98)
Grand Escudo
Kei Works ('02)

TECHNO PRO SPIRITS
Sprinter Trueno

TOMMY KAIRA
ZZ-S
ZZII

TOYOTA
(Trial) Celica SS-II Tuning Car ('03)
Altezza
Aristo 3.0V
Aristo V300 ('00)
bB 1.5Z X Version* ('00)
Carina ED 2.0 X 4WS ('89)
Celica 1600GT ('70)
Celica GT-Four RC ('91)
Celica GT-Four Rally Car ('94)
Celice GT-Four ('98)
Celica GT-Four Rally Car* ('95)
Celica XX 2800GT ('81)
Corolla Levin 1600GT Apex ('83)
Corolla Rally Car ('99)
GT-One Race Car ('99)
Harrier L Edition
ist 1.5S 2WD* ('02)
MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger ('86)
MR2 GT-S* ('97)
MR-S S Edition
MR-S (Autobacs JGTC 2003)
Motor Triathlon Race Car* ('03)
pod Concept
Prius (Previous Model)
Prius G Touring* ('03)
Probox Wagon F Extra Package
Sera ('92)
Soarer 430SCV ('01)
Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex Tuning Car
Supra RZ ('97)
Supra 2.5 Twin Turbo (80s)
Supra 2.5 Twin Turbo-R ('90)
Supra 3.0 GT (80s)
Supra (Tom's Castrol JGTC '01)
Supra (Esso Ultraflo JGTC '01)
Supra (au Cerumo JGTC '02)
Supra (Tom's WoodOne JGTC '03)*
Vitz Turbo 5-door
Vitz RS 1.5* ('00)

TRIUMPH
TR2

TVR
Cerbera Speed Six ('97)
Cerbera Speed 12 ('00)
Griffith 500
450 SEAC
T350C ('03)
T440R
Tamora
Tuscan Speed Six ('00)
Vixen
V8S

VOLKSWAGEN
Beetle 1100 Standard ('49)
Beetle (50s)
Beetle 1300 (60s)
Bora V6 4MOTION ('01)
Golf GTi (70s)
Golf IV R32 ('03)
Karmann Ghia 1500 ('68)
Karmann Ghia Cabriolet
Lupo GTi
Lupo GTi Cup Car* ('03)
New Beetle Cabriolet
New Beetle RSi
New Beetle Turbo
Passat V6 4MOTION
Passat W8
Passat Wagon
Polo TDi
Scirocco (80s)
W12 Concept ('01)

VOLVO
S40
S60 T-5
V40
V70 T-5
XC70 2.5T

WESTFIELD
SEiGHT

Total Cars: (328 - 124 - 58) = 510

[PS2warrior]

Real Location Street Based Tracks (6)
HONG KONG Seen at E3 Seen Hacked out (Playable with gameshark)
NEW YORK Playable on Prologue
SEOUL File Name featured on Prologue
KASHIWA File Name featured on Prologue
PARIS (Tar) File Name featured on Prologue Seen hacked out
LAS VEGAS File Name featured on Prologue (The Strip) Seen Hacked out.
Also seen in presentation Featuring Drag Run

Real Race Tracks (7)
TSUKUBA Prologue Playable
FUJI (fisco) Prologue Playable
NURBURGRING Seen at E3 Also On BMW demo, You can see F1 track Behind Tyre fence.
MONACO File Name featured on Prologue (Cote d Azure)
LAGUNA SECA File Name featured on Prologue
INFINEON File Name featured on Prologue (Sears point) Seen Hacked out
MOTEGI File Name featured on Prologue Seen Hacked out

Tarmac Rally(3)
CITTA DI ARIA Prologue Playable (Assisi)
AMALFI Seen at E3 (Capri)
PARIS (rally) File Name featured on Prologue (George V) Seen Hacked out

Other Rally (5)
GRAND CANYON Prologue Playable
GRAND CANYON NORTH Prologue Playable (test course)
NURSNOW File Name featured on Prologue (Not the ring) Seen Hacked out
TAHITI MAZE File Name featured on Prologue
YOSEMITE File Name featured on Prologue Seen Hacked out

Fantasy GT Tracks (8)
HIGH SPEED RING File Name featured on Prologue
MIDFIELD RACEWAY File Name featured on Prologue
DEEP FOREST File Name featured on Prologue Seen Hacked out
APRICOT HILL File Name featured on Prologue
GRAND VALLEY (SW) File Name featured on Prologue Seen Hacked out
ROUTE 5 File Name featured on Prologue
ROUTE 5 RAIN File Name featured on Prologue Seen Hacked out (Track Updated)
TRIAL MOUNTAIN File Name featured on Prologue Seen Hacked out (No Notable Update)

Test Tracks (6)
20R 60R Prologue (driving park oval)
TEST File Name featured on Prologue
TEST COURSE File Name featured on Prologue
OVAL File Name featured on Prologue
MINI File Name featured on Prologue
GYMKHANA Prologue (Lot with cones)

Photo Locations (13)
SAN MARCO Press Photos St Marks Square (R5 Turbo in square)
SHIBUYA (Tokyo) Press Photos Shopping district (TVR with taxis and light trails)
SAGANO (Kyoto) Press Photos Tree lined path (Subaru pic)
BROOKLYN Press Photos (Brooklyn bridge)
TSUGAMO (Nagano) Press Photos (Wooden house lined alley with Mclaren)
FREEMONT File on Prologue ( Most likely LAS VEGAS lights at Freemont st)
TSUKIJI (Tokyo) Press Photos Tokyo fish market (Corvette in warehouse)
NANZENJI (Kyoto) Press Photos Tree lined path with red leaved trees (pic with Tvr)
RIALT File on Prologue (Venice) Seen Hacked out
LOUISBERG File on Prologue
FORUM Press Photos (Cars In glass Building)
FORUM N(ight) File on Prologue
GION (Kyoto) Press Photos (Mini in evening Japan street)

8 Arcade Unique Tracks (0)
Talk Of 8 Arcade Unique tracks in German interview with Kaz.

The following list is for tracks that may possbly make it to GT4 from Previous GT.
But as yet no refrence has been seen or made.

Tarmac (15)
SUPER SPEEDWAY
TAHITI ROAD
SEATTLE SHORT
SEATTLE LONG
ROME SHORT
ROME LONG
ROME NIGHT
RED ROCK VALLEY
GRINDLEWARD
CLUBMAN STAGE 5
GRAND VALLEY EAST (coned off area seen on speedway so looks likely to return)
SSR11
AUTUMN RING
AUTUMN MINI
COMPLEX STRING

Rally (6)
TAHITI DIRT
SMOKEY MOUNTAIN NORTH
SMOKEY MOUNTAIN SOUTH
GREEN FOREST
SWISS ALPS
PIKES PEAK

[ultimategamer2004]

Was going to post them the other day but my mouse would not right cl;ick!LOL.Anyways did you ask his permission? LOL

[PS2warrior]

Yes I did I ask if I could post it here and on my website and he said yes.

[bRoNx]

DODGE
Challenger R/T
Tomahawk Concept
SRT-4 ('03)
Super Bee
Viper GTS* ('98)
Viper GTS-R Team Oreca
Viper GTSR Concept ('00)
Viper SRT-10
IF YOU ARE READING THIS MESSAGE, THIS LIST WAS COPIED AND PASTED WITHOUT MY PERMISSION -The359
DOME (1 - 0 - 0)
Zero Concept ('78)

:lol: Good work PS2Warrior! Well done! :lol:

[ultimategamer2004]

Right i probably would of asked permission but if you dident he wouldent be able to find out! :lol: anyway this is off topic.

[PS2warrior]

I don't see it :roll:

[ultimategamer2004]

Dont see what? :roll:

[PS2warrior]

[quote]IF YOU ARE READING THIS MESSAGE, THIS LIST WAS COPIED AND PASTED WITHOUT MY PERMISSION -The359


That

[ultimategamer2004]

nope then post it in 3 peices! :lol: Not that hard to get around. LOL

[PS2warrior]

whatever"lol"

[ultimategamer2004]

oh well this is off topic but that is true.

[PS2warrior]

I can't double or triple post remember

[ultimategamer2004]

off topic still but why not just paste a cople of times in the same post DUH.

[NickSCFC]

What's the source for that track list Warrior?

[ultimategamer2004]

I'll cheack but i think thats also off GT planet.

[PS2warrior]

Nope I got both from Gameslover.proboards.com I ama member there

[jaxmkii]

That's what happens a lot of the time. Even if you make a mistake, you can simply overtake everywhere in a matter of seconds, because your car is ridiculously fast. try using a car made for that class not just using the most powerfull car you can grab :)

[ultimategamer2004]

if you use the escudo on a track with very little corners it will pass anything but for a challange get a car simalar to the oponents!

[jaxmkii]

Here is the new pics you were talking about.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/granturismo4/screenindex.html

I am now a very happy man since in those pictures is a 1970 Chevelle SS in which i own in true life :).If you see a guy online driving that you will know it's me. i have a 70 buick GSX a 01 turbo beetle and a 1990 Audi 90Quatrro 20valve(five cylinder) but only the beetle made the list :cry:

[jaxmkii]

[quote=specialpro]In terms or customization I don't see the need to improve GT4 that much. If you mean customization in terms of ascetic purposes I don't think we're going to be able to add 20 inch rims and neon lights. Thank god. realy that would be the Shizzzzzle NOT!.... :lol:

[ultimategamer2004]

So thats 5 POSTS THAT COULD BE 2 WHY DOBLE AND TRIPLE POST?

[jaxmkii]

So thats 5 POSTS THAT COULD BE 2 WHY DOBLE AND TRIPLE POST? WHY ARE YOU FEARFULL I MIGHT TOP YOUR 3K+ shut up as i read though the list a add my 2 cents

[ultimategamer2004]

Dont be stupid but you are spaming the forums when you could of put all those into 2 posts instead of 5!!! Matt will not be happy!

[jaxmkii]

Dont be stupid but you are spaming the forums when you could of put all those into 2 posts instead of 5!!! Matt will not be happy! well im sorry but i think matt will under stand each one was a seperate responce to seperate post. becides its not evin like i post constantly i just do it in pulses.(note the 171post total)

[ultimategamer2004]

Why not put them all in 1 single or doble after i had posted post?

[jaxmkii]

Why not put them all in 1 single or doble after i had posted post? cuz i would forget what the hell i was talking about buy the time i got halfway though :oops: how the hell do i do that?

[ultimategamer2004]

keep quoting in the same post! :roll: and whats posting everyday lets say and qouting every so often got to do with it anyways this is off topic and am regreting saying anything to you so lets just grow up and now both of us stay on topic.

[PS2warrior]

STAY ON TOPIC OR I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU GO OFF TOPIC!

[PS2warrior]

This is the could be theFINAL car list for Gran Turismo 4

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/acura.jpg

Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
Acura DN-X Concept
Acura Integra GS-R '92
Acura NSX Alex Zanardi Edition '99
Acura RSX Type-S '03
Acura TSX '04

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/alfa.jpg

Alfa Romeo 1300 Junior Zagato '71
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA '03
Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI Race Car '93
Alfa Romeo Super Turismo Race Car '01
Alfa Romeo 158 Formula 1 '50
Alfa Romeo 1600 Duetto Spider '66
Alfa Romeo 166 3.0 V6 24V '98
Alfa Romeo 179 Formula 1 '80
Alfa Romeo 33 TT12 Race Car
Alfa Romeo 33-2 Race Car
Alfa Romeo 33-2 Stradale '67
Alfa Romeo GTV '03
Alfa Romeo GTV '73
Alfa Romeo Montrreal '70
Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 V6 '98

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/amc.jpg

AMC AMX
AMC Javelin

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/am.jpg

Aston Martin AMV8 Vantage Concept '03
Aston Martin DB AR1 '03
Aston Martin DB2 '50
Aston Martin DB3S Race Car '53
Aston Martin DB4 GT '58
Aston Martin DB5 '64
Aston Martin DB6 '66
Aston Martin DB7 '99
Aston Martin DB7 GT '03
Aston Martin Lagonda '82
Aston Martin V12 Vanquish '00
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Aston Martin Virage '88

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/audi.jpg

Audi 100 Coupe S '69
Audi A4 Touring Race Car
Audi TT-R ABT Race Car '02
Audi RS6 Geneva Avant '02
Audi R8 Race Car '03
Audi RS2
Audi RS4 Avant '95
Audi S3 '04
Audi S4 '01
Audi S6 '99
Audi S8 '01
Audi Sport Quattro '84
Audi Sport Quattro S1 Rally Car '85
Audi Steppenwolf

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/bentley.jpg

Bentley Arnage T '02
Bentley Azure '05
Bentley EXP Speed 8 Race Car '02

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/bmw.jpg

BMW 2002 Race Car
BMW 2002 Turbo '74
BMW 320 Turbo Race Car '78
BMW 323i Coupe
BMW 330i '03
BMW 507 '56
BMW 540
BMW 700 RS Race Car '60
BMW 750iL
BMW 840Ci Sports
BMW LMR Race Car
BMW M coupe '01
BMW M1 '80
BMW M1 Race Car '80
BMW M3 '01
BMW M3 Evo III '90
BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01
BMW M3 GTR Streetversion '02
BMW M5 '01
BMW M5 '94
BMW M6 635 CSi '84
BMW X Coupe Concept
BMW X5 Le Mans Concept '00
BMW Z1 '86
BMW Z3 M Roadster '01
BMW Z4 3.0i '03
BMW Z8 '00
BMW Z9 Concept '99

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/bugatti.jpg

Bugatti 16/4 Veyron '02
Bugatti EB Veyron 14-4 Quad Turbo
Bugatti EB 110 GT '94
Bugatti LMP Race Car

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/cadillac.jpg

Cadillac Cien Concept '02
Cadillac Eldorado '67
Cadillac Eldorado ETC
Cadillac Evoq Concept '99
Cadillac LMP-02 Race Car '02
Cadillac Steinmetz Catera Concept '99

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/callaway.jpg

Callaway C12-R
Callaway C12-R Race Car '01

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/caterham.jpg

Caterham 21
Caterham 7
Caterham Super 7

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/chevrolet.jpg

Chevrolet Camaro '69
Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary
Chevrolet Camaro SS '01
Chevrolet Camaro SS '69
Chevrolet Z28 '01
Chevrolet Z28 '77
Chevrolet ZL-1 '69
Chevrolet 2.2 Turbo Concept '02
Chevrolet Z24
Chevrolet SS '68
Chevrolet Corvair '63
Chevrolet Corvette 427 Stingray '69
Chevrolet Corvette 50th Anniversary '03
Chevrolet Corvette Astrovette Concept Car
Chevrolet Corvette C5R '01
Chevrolet Corvette CERV III Concept '90
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport '63
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport '96
Chevrolet Corvette Split-window Coupe '63
Chevrolet Corvette XP-830 Mako Shark II Concept '65
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 '03
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 '93
Chevrolet El Camino SS '69
Chevrolet Impala SS
Chevrolet Malibu Cruiser Concept '01
Chevrolet Monte Carlo DuPont Race Car '01
Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS '01
Chevrolet Nova Concorde '76
Chevrolet SSR Concept '03

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/chrysler.jpg

Chrysler 300M Special
Chrysler Atlantic
Chrysler Chronos Concept '98
Chrysler Crossfire '04
Chrysler GT Cruiser Concept
Chrysler LMP Race Car '01

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/citroen.jpg

Citroën C5
Citroën C-Airdream '02
Citroën Saxo 1.6I VTS
Citroën Saxo Rally Car
Citroën Xantia 3.0I V6 Exclusive
Citroën Xantia Rally Car
Citroën Xsara 1.8I 16V Exclusive
Citroën Xsara T4 WRC Rally Car '03
Citroën ZX Raid Car Paris Dakar

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/daewoo.jpg

Daewoo Mya
Daewoo No. 1 Concept '96
Daewoo Nubira X

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/daihatsu.jpg

Daihatsu Copen Concept '01
Daihatsu Feroza '93
Daihatsu Midget II
Daihatsu Mira TR (4WD) '98
Daihatsu Mira TR-XX '90
Daihatsu Move SR-XX (4WD) '97
Daihatsu Opti Club Sports '97
Daihatsu Storia Rally Car
Daihatsu Storia X4 '98

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/datsun.jpg

Datsun 240Z '69
Datsun 260Z '74
Datsun 280Z
Datsun 510 '70

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/detomaso.jpg

De Tomaso Mangusta '69
De Tomaso Pantera GT5-S '86

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/dmc.jpg

DMC-12 Delorean '81

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/dodge.jpg

Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi '70
Dodge Charger Daytona 500 Race Car '70
Dodge Chager R/T '69
Dodge Chager R/T Concept '99
Dodge Copperhead Concept '97
Dodge ESX3 Concept
Dodge Hennessey Venom 650R
Dodge Interpid Police Edition
Dodge R/T Race Car '02
Dodge Neon R/T '01
Dodge Neon SRT-4 '03
Dodge Ram SRT-10 '04
Dodge Razor Concept '02
Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo '91
Dodge Stratus Touring Race Car
Dodge Stratus Turbo Concept
Dodge Super8 Hemi Concept
Dodge Venom Concept '94
Dodge Viper ACR '00
Dodge Viper GTS '02
Dodge Viper GTS-R Race Car '98
Dodge Viper SRT-10 '03
Dodge Viper SRT-10 Competition Race Car '03

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/fiat.jpg

Fiat 124 Spyder
Fiat 500
Fiat 600
Fiat 850 Vignale Spyder '65
Fiat Abarth 1000 Race Car
Fiat Barchetta
Fiat Coupe 2.0 20V Turbo Plus '98
Fiat Punto Abarth Rally Car '02
Fiat Punto GT

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/ford.jpg

Ford 427 Concept '03
Ford Capri
Ford Cortina Rally Car
Ford Cougar '02
Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
Ford Escort Cosworth RS
Ford Escort Rally Car
Ford F150 SVT Lightning '00
Ford Fairlane '75
Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo
Ford XR8 V8 Supercar
Ford Fiesta Rally Car Concept '02
Ford Focus FR200 Concept '00
Ford Focus Ghia 2.0 '98
Ford Focus RS WRC Rally Car '02
Ford SVT '02
Ford ZX3
Ford GT40 '03
Ford GT40 MK1 Race Car '68
Ford GT70 Race Car '70
Ford GT90 Concept '95
Ford Ka '99
Ford Mondeo ST220
Ford Mondeo Super Touring Race Car '99
Ford Mustang Boss 429 '70
Ford Boss Concept '00
Ford Mustang Cobra R '00
Ford Mustang FR500 Concept '99
Ford Mustang GT '82
Ford Mustang GT '94
Ford Mustang GT Concept '03
Ford Mustang Mach 1 '03
Ford Mustang Mach 1 Fastback '69
Ford Mustang Mach III Concept '93
Ford Mustang Super Stallion Concept '98
Ford Probe GT '95
Ford Puma Rally Car
Ford Puma ST160 '99
Ford RS200 '85
Ford Sierra Cosworth
Ford Sierra RS500
Ford StreetKa '03
Ford Th!nk Concept
Ford Thunderbird '65
Ford Thunderbird Supercharged Concept '03
Ford Torino Race Car
Ford XR8 Xplod Concept '01

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/gillet.jpg

Gillet Vertigo '97
Gillet Vertigo Race Car '98

http://auta5p.car.cz/katalog/heuliez/heuliez_logo2.gif

Heuliez Pregunta Concept

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/carlist/afb/holden.jpg

Holden Commodore V8 Supercar
Holden HSV HRT 27 '02
Holden Monaro CV8 '02

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Honda Accord Concept '02
Honda Accord Coupe V6 '03
Honda Accord Euro-R '00
Honda Accord SiR-T '98
Honda Accord Type-R Touring Race Car
Honda Accord Wagon 2300VTL 4WD '97
Honda Beat Version Z '94
Honda City Type-Z '02
Honda Civic SiR '98
Honda Civic Type-R '03
Honda Civic Mugen Si '02
Honda Civic R Race Car
Honda Civic Si Concept '02
Honda Civic Vti '93
Honda CRX SiR '89
Honda del Sol LM Edition
Honda Dualnote Concept '01
Honda Fiat W '01
Honda Intergra LM Race Car
Honda Intergra Type-R '02
Honda Jazz '01
Honda Life T-Type '98
Honda Logo TS '98
Honda Mugen SS2200 Concept '00
Honda NSX Castrol Mugen JGTC '00
Honda NSX Coupe '02
Honda NSX Loctite Mugen '01
Honda NSX Takata Dome '03
Honda NSX Mobil 1 '01
Honda NSX Type S Zero '97
Honda NSX-R Concept '01
Honda NSX-R Prototype '01
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car
Honda Prelude 2.2 Vtec '03
Honda Prelude Si Vtec '91
Honda Prelude SiR S spec '98
Honda RA272 Formula 1 '65
Honda S2000 '01
Honda S2000 GT1
Honda Z Turbo '98

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HSV Commodore
HSV GTS GEN3
HSV Monaro GTS

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Hyundai Accent WRC Rally Car '02
Hyundai Clix Concept '01
Hyundai Tiburon GT V6
Hyundai Tiburon Rally Car

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Infiniti FX45
Infiniti G35 Sport Coupe '03
Infiniti Q45

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Jaguar D-Type Works Race Car '54
Jaguar E-Type S3 '72
Jaguar F-Type Concept '00
Jaguar R-Coupe Concept '01
Jaguar S-Type R
Jaguar XJ220 Race Car
Jaguar XJ series '03
Jaguar XJ220 '93
Jaguar XJR '04
Jaguar XJR-15 Race Car '90
Jaguar XJR-9LM Race Car '88
Jaguar XJR-S V12 Celebration Coupe '88
Jaguar XK180 Concept '00
Jaguar XKR '00
Jaguar XKR Trans-Am Race Car '02
Jaguar X-Type Racing Coupe '02

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Kia Magentis
Kia Rio
Kia Spectra Touring Car

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Koeningsegg CC 8S '02
Koeningsegg CC Concept '98

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Lamborghini 400 GT '66
Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary '89
Lamborghini Diablo JGTC
Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0 SE '01
Lamborghini Espada 400 GTE S2 '69
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Miura P400 '68
Lamborghini Murcielago '02
Lamborghini Urraco P300 '76

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Lancia 037 Rally Evo 2 Rally Car '83
Lancia Beta Monte Carlo Race Car '81
Lancia Carcerano Gran Turismo Concept '02
Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car '85
Lancia Stratos '72
Lancia Stratos Rally Car
Lancia Thema 8.32

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Lexus GS300 '96
Lexus IS300 '02
Lexus IS300 Sportcross '02
Lexus IS430 Concept
Lexus SC300 '96
Lexus SC430 '01
Lexus SC430 Pace Car '02

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Lincoln LS
Lincoln MK VII
Lincoln MK9 Coupe Concept '01

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Lister Le Mans '90
Lister Storm GT2 '99

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Lotus 11 S2 Le Mans '57
Lotus 18 Formula 1 '60
Lotus 340R
Lotus 46 Europa S1 '66
Lotus 49B Formula 1 '70
Lotus Carlton '89
Lotus Elan S2 '64
Lotus S2 '90
Lotus Elan S4 Sprint '71
Lotus Elise '02
Lotus Elise 190
Lotus Elise GT1
Lotus Elise II Type 25 '02
Lotus Elite '63
Lotus Esprit GT2
Lotus Esprit S1 '76
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 '99
Lotus X180R Race Car '91
Lotus Europa Race Car
Lotus Exige '00
Lotus M250 Concept '00
Lotus Sport Elise Race Car '00

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Maserati 3200GT
Maserati 320S Concept '01
Maserati 5000 GT Touring '59
Maserati BiTurbo Si '87
Maserati Quattroporte IV '94
Maserati Sebring '62

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Mazda MX-6 GT '91
Mazda 323 4WD Rally Car
Mazda 323 MPS Concept '01
Mazda 626
Mazda 767B Race Car '89
Mazda 787B Race Car '91
Mazda AZ-1 A-Spec
Mazda Cosmo Concept '03
Mazda Eunos Cosmo 20B Type-E CCS '94
Mazda Lantis Coupe 2000 Type-R '93
Mazda Mazdaspeed Protégé '02
Mazda Miata V-Special '93
Mazda MX Sportif '03
Mazda MX-3 '90
Mazda MX-5 '89
Mazda MX-5 '98
Mazda MX-5 1.8i '00
Mazda MX-5 MPS Concept '01
Mazda RX-01
Mazda RX-2 '70
Mazda RX-3 '71
Mazda RX-4
Mazda RX-7 '76
Mazda RX-7 GTUs '89
Mazda RX-7 RE Amemiya Race Car
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R '02
Mazda RX-7 Type RS '98
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ '00
Mazda RX-8 '02
Mazda RX-8 Type S '03
Mazda RX-8 LM Race Car
Mazda RX-7 SAvanna GT-Turbo (SA22C) '83
Mazda Xedos Super Touring Race Car

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MCC Smart ForTwo
MCC Smart Roadster Coupe

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McLaren F1 GTR FINA '97

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Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR
Mercedes-Benz W196 Formula 1 '56
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II '90
Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 '68
Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing '56
Mercedes-Benz 380SL Convertible '80
Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC Rally Car '78
Mercedes-Benz AMG A32K '02
Mercedes-Benz AMG C55
Mercedes-Benz AMG CL65 '03
Mercedes-Benz AMG E55
Mercedes-Benz AMG SL55 '03
Mercedes-Benz AMG S63 '01
Mercedes-Benz AMG SL73 Roadster '95
Mercedes-Benz AMG SLK32 '01
Mercedes-Benz C112 Concept
Mercedes-Benz C230 Sport Coupe
Mercedes-Benz C9 Race Car
Mercedes-Benz CIII '69
Mercedes-Benz CLE Concept
Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM Race Car '02
Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR Super Sport '02
Mercedes-Benz CLR '99
Mercedes-Benz SLR

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Mercury Comet
Mercury Cougar '99
Mercury Cougar Eliminator '70
Mercury Marauder '03

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Merkur XR4Ti '87

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MG EX257 LMP
MG TF Xpower 500 '02
MG ZT XPower 500

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Mini Cooper 1.3i
Mini Cooper Race Car
Mini Cooper S Works '02

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Mitsubishi 3000GT '92
Mitsubishi 3000GT Twin Turbo '92
Mitsubishi 3000GT Twin Turbo '95
Mitsubishi 3000GT Twin Turbo '99
Mitsubishi 3000GT LM
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 '00
Mitsubishi Colt '78
Mitsubishi Colt SR 4X '02
Mitsubishi CZ3 Tarmac '01
Mitsubishi Eclipse '02
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX '97
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '97
Mitsubishi Galant GT-Z '03
Mitsubishi Galant Super VR-4 '98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution '92
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II '94
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II Rally Car '94
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR '95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III Rally Car '95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car '97
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Rally Car '93
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR '98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V Rally Car '98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V RS '98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR '99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR Tommy Makkinen Edition
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Rally Car '99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS '99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII GSR '01
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII Rally Car '01
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII RS '01
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII '03
Mitsubishi Lancer GS-R '85
Mitsubishi Legnum Super VR4 '98
Mitsubishi Mine's Lancer Evolution VI '00
Mitsubishi Mirage Asti RX-R '98
Mitsubishi Mirage Cyborg R '92
Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution '03
Mitsubishi RPM 7000 Concept
Mitsubishi Starion Turbo '82
Mitsubishi Taeivon Trampio FTO

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Morgan Aero 8 '02
Morgan Aero 8 GT Race Car '02

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Nismo 270R '94
Nismo 350Z Concept '02
Nismo 400R '97

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Nissan MM '01 (Micra Concept)
Nissan 200SX '96
Nissan 300ZX '90
Nissan 300ZX Version R 2by2 Twin Turbo '98
Nissan 300ZX Version S 2 seater Twin Turbo '94
Nissan 300ZX Version S 2seater Twin Turbo '98
Nissan 300ZX Z-Tune '03
Nissan 350Z Gran Turismo Aero '02
Nissan 350Z Razo Version '01
Nissan Altima 3.5 SE
Nissan Blue Bird 1600
Nissan Cedric
Nissan Cefiro
Nissan Cima
Nissan GT-R Concept '01
Nissan GT-R Concept LM
Nissan March Super Turbo '89
Nissan March 12c '03
Nissan Maxima '04
Nissan Mid4 Concept '85
Nissan Mine's Skyline GT-RN1 Vspec(R34) '00
Nissan MM R (Micra R)
Nissan Nismo GT-R LM Road Car (R33) '95
Nissan Nismo GT-R Race Car
Nissan NP35 '92
Nissan Primera 2.0Te '90
Nissan Primera GT Race Car '99
Nissan Pulsar Gti-R '91
Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1 '97
Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '98
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car '98
Nissan R89C Race Car '89
Nissan Sentra SE-R Vspec '02
Nissan Sileighty
Nissan Silhouette
Nissan Silvia C-West Razo '00
Nissan Silvia K's (S14) '96
Nissan Silvia K's Aero SE Sports Package (S14) '98
Nissan Silvia Spec R Aero (S15)
Nissan Skyline 2000 GTR '69
Nissan Skyline 25GT Turbo (R34) '98
Nissan Skyline 300GT '01
Nissan Skyline Blitz GT-R R348 '99
Nissan Skyline Calsonic GT-R '00
Nissan Skyline Gran Turismo GT-R V Spec (R34) Pace Car
Nissan Skyline GT-R '70
Nissan Skyline GT-R Autotech Version 40th Anniversary (R33) '97
Nissan Skyline GT-R M Spec 34 '01
Nissan Skyline GT-R Nismo (R32) '90
Nissan SkylineGT-R Nur Edition
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R32) '93
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R33) '97
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R34) '99
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec II (R32) '94
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec II (R34) '00
Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32) '91
Nissan Skyline GTS-4 (R32) '91
Nissan Skyline GTS-R (R31) '87
Nissan Skyline HKS Drag Car
Nissan Skyline Loctite Zexel GT-R '00
Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R LM Race Car '95
Nissan Skyline RS-X Turbo Intercooler (DR3) '84
Nissan Stagea 25t RS Four V '98
Nissan Stagea Autech Version 260RS '98
Nissan Stillen 300 GTZ '93
Nissan Sunny B110
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GT-R '01

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Oldsmobile Alero OSV Concept '00
Oldsmobile Aurora GTS Race Car
Oldsmobile Toronado '67

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Opel Ascona
Opel Astra SRi 2.0i 16V
Opel Astra V8 Coupe Race Car '02
Opel Astra Xtreme Concept '01
Opel Calibra DTM Race CAr
Opel Calibra Turbo '91
Opel Corsa GSi OPC
Opel Corsa Sport 1.6i 16V
Opel GT
Opel Manta
Opel Speedster '00
Opel Tigra 1.6i
Opel Vectra 2.0 16V
Opel Vectra Super Touring Race Car

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Pagani Zonda C12 '99
Pagani Zonda C12-S 7.3 '02

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Panoz AIV Roadster
Panoz Esperante '01
Panoz GTR
Panoz Le Mans Racer '01
Panoz LMP 07 '01

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Peugeot 106 1.6 S16
Peugeot 106 Rally Car '94
Peugeot 205 T16 Rally Car '85
Peugeot 206 GTi '00
Peugeot 307
Peugeot 206 Rally Car
Peugeot 405 T16 Vatanen Pikes Peak Car
Peugeot 406 3.0 V6 Coupe
Peugeot 406 Super Touring Car
Peugeot 607 Feline Concept '00
Peugeot 905 LM Race Car '90
Peugeot C60 Courage (team Pescarolo)
Peugeot Oxia Concept

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Plymouth GTX
Plymouth Hemi Cuda '70
Plymouth Pronto Cruiser Concept '98
Plymouth Pronto Spyder Concept '98
Plymouth Prowler '00
Plymouth Road Runner
Plymouth Superbird

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Pontiac Fiero SE '84
Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 '70
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am WS6 '02
Pontiac G6 Concept '03
Pontiac Grand Prix G-Froce Concept '02
Pontiac GTO '04
Pontiac GTO Judge '70
Pontiac Rageous Concept '97
Pontiac Solstice Coupe '02
Pontiac Sunfire Touring Race Car

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Renault 5 Turbo '84
Renault 5 Turbo Rally Car
Renault Clio Cup Race Car
Renault Clio Williams
Renault Espace F1 Concept '95
Renault Laguna Touring Race Car '99
Renault Megane Rally Car
Renault Clio Sport V6 Evo II '03

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Rolls-Royce Corniche Convertible '00
Rolls-Royce Phantom '03

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Rover 25
Rover 45
Rover 75
Rover ZS

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RUF 3.4 '87
RUF 3400S '00
RUF RUF 911 Turbo R '01
RUF BTR 3.8 '93
RUF CTR-2 Sport '97
RUF RGT '00
RUF Turbo R '98

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Saab 9-3 Viggen Coupe '99
Saab 9-3 Viggen Pikes Peak Rally Car ‘00
Saab 9X Concept ‘01

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Saleen Mustang S-281 ‘00
Saleen Mustang S-351 ‘99
Saleen S7 ’00
Saleen S7R ‘01

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Saturn SC2 Concept '01
Saturn SCX Concept '01

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Seat Formula Concept ‘99
Seat Ibiza Cupra R
Seat Leon Cupra R ‘01
Seat Salsa Concept ‘00

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Shelby Cobra 427 ‘67
Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe Race Car ‘64
Shelby Mustang GT 500 KR ‘68
Shelby Mustang GT350
Shelby Series 1 ‘98

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Skoda Fabia RS
Skoda Octavia RS
Skoda Octavia WRC Rally Car ‘01
Skoda Tudor Concept ‘02

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Spoon Civic Type R ‘98
Spoon Fit ‘03
Spoon S2000 ‘00
Spoon S2000 Race Car ‘00

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Spyker C8 Double 12
Spyker C8 Laviolette ‘01

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Subaru 2.5 RS sedan
Subaru Alccione SVX Version L ‘95
Subaru B11S Concept ‘03
Subaru Fleet-X Concept ‘99
Subaru Impreza 2.5 WRX STi
Subaru Impreza 22B STi ‘98
Subaru Impreza Electra One Concept ‘99
Subaru Impreza P1 ‘00
Subaru Impreza Rally Car ‘01
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version III ‘96
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version VI ‘00
Subaru Impreza Wagon WRX STi Version III ‘96
Subaru Impreza WRX STi Type R Version V ‘98
Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen ‘02
Subaru Legacy Touring Sports RS ‘93
Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon GT-B ‘98
Subaru Outback Limited ‘01
Subaru Preo RS ‘98
Subaru Rex Supercharger VX ‘90
Subaru Vivio RX-RA ‘97

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Suzuki Aerio SX
Suzuki Artworks RS-Z ‘98
Suzuki Capuccino ‘98
Suzuki Concept-S ‘02
Suzuki Cultus Pikes Peak Rally Car
Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak Rally Car ‘96
Suzuki Ev-Sport Concept ‘99
Suzuki GSX-R 4 Concept ‘01
Suzuki Hayabusa Racecar Concept
Suzuki Kei S ‘98
Suzuki Wagon R RR ‘98

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Tommykaira (leading Edge) ZZ-II
Tommykaira (leading Edge) ZZ-S ‘95

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Toyota 2000 GT ‘67
Toyota 88C Race Car ‘88
Toyota Altezza RS200 ‘98
Toyota Aristo V300 ‘97
Toyota bB 1.5 2WD X Version '00
Toyota Ist 1.5RS
Toyota MR-S Autobacs Apex ‘00
Toyota MR-S Blitz ‘00
Toyota Camry SE ‘98
Toyota Supra Castrol Tom's ‘01
Toyota Celica GT ‘92
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST165) ‘88
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST205) ‘95
Toyota Celica GT-S ‘00
Toyota Celica Pikes Peak Special Rally Car ‘97
Toyota Celica Supra II ‘83
Toyota Celica TRD Sports M ‘00
Toyota Celica Ultimate Concept ‘00
Toyota Chaser ‘03
Toyota Corolla Levin BZR (A111) ‘98
Toyota Corolla Levin GT-Apex (AE86) ‘85
Toyota Corolla Rally Car ‘99
Toyota FXS Concept ‘01
Toyota Gardena GT-T ‘97
Toyota GT-One (TS020) Road Car ‘99
Toyota GT-One Race Car ‘99
Toyota Mark II Tourer S ‘92
Toyota Matrix XRS ‘02
Toyota MR2 1600G-Limited Super Charger (AW11) ‘86
Toyota MR2 GT-S ‘98
Toyota MR2 Targa ‘90
Toyota MR2 TTE Concept ‘01
Toyota POD Concept ‘01
Toyota Prius hybrid car ‘03
Toyota Prius Rally Car ‘02
Toyota RSC Rally Car ‘01
Toyota Scion ccX
Toyota Soarer 2.5 GT-T VVT-i ‘96
Toyota Solara ‘02
Toyota Starlet 3 door (KP61) ‘82
Toyota Starlet 3 door Turbo S (EP71) ‘87
Toyota Starlet Glanza V ‘98
Toyota Supra Esso Ultraflo Race Car ‘01
Toyota Supra WoodOne Race Car ‘03
Toyota Supra GT Turbo Limited (MA70) ‘89
Toyota Supra HKS Drag Car
Toyota Supra RZ ‘97
Toyota Supra Turbo ‘89
Toyota Supra TwinTurbo-R (JZA70) ‘91
Toyota Supra Veilside Limited ‘99
Toyota Vitz F ‘99

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TRD 3000GT

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TVR Cerbera 4.2 ‘00
TVR Cerbera 4.5 ‘00
TVR Cerbera LM Race Car
TVR Cerbera Speed 12 ‘00
TVR Cerbera Speed 6
TVR Chimaera 500 ‘00
TVR Griffith 500s ‘00
TVR T350C ‘02
TVR Tasmin ‘81
TVR Tuscan ‘70
TVR Tuscan S ‘01
TVR Vixen 2500M ‘73

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Ultima GTR ‘00
Ultima Spyder ‘00

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Veuxhall Vectra FIA Super Touring Race Car ‘99
Veuxhall VX220 ‘00
Veuxhall VX220 Turbo ’03

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Vector M12 ‘96
Vector M12 LM
Vector W8 ‘91
Vector WX3 Concept ‘92

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Venturi Atlantique 300 ‘95
Venturi Atlantique 400GT ‘95
Venturi Atlantique LM Race Car
Venturi Grand Prix Concept ‘02

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Volkswagen 1-Litre Concept ‘02
Volkswagen Beetle ‘64
Volkswagen Corrado ‘93
Volkswagen Golf GTI 25th Anniversary ‘02
Volkswagen Golf III GTi VR6 ‘95
Volkswagen Golf IV 2.3 V5 ‘00
Volkswagen Golf R32 ‘02
Volkswagen Golf Race Car
Volkswagen Karmen Gia
Volkswagen Lupo GTI
Volkswagen New Beetle 1.8 Turbo ‘98
Volkswagen New Beetle 2.0
Volkswagen New Beetle RSi ‘00
Volkswagen Oettinger Jetta 1.8T ‘00
Volkswagen Passat W8
Volkswagen Phaeton W12 ‘02
Volkswagen Super Beetle ‘78

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Volvo 340
Volvo C70 ‘96
Volvo S40 Race Car ‘99
Volvo S60 R ‘03
Volvo S70 R
Volvo S80 T6

If you don't like this list then fuck you cuz it took me 2 hours to make this list.

[NickSCFC]

How many then?

[PS2warrior]

602 cars

[ultimategamer2004]

Thought there were 510 but that may have been the PSP version but i'm not sure at all.

[Fats]

Where did you get the list from?

I noticed that you can now go back to the future in GT4 now.

[games_ fan]

Theres only one car i'm suprised is missing from that the aston martin DB9 :( oh well.

[ultimategamer2004]

Think he got it from GTplanet but last time a said somthing was from there it wasent but there is a list there that somone else has posted.

[PS2warrior]

I got it from GT4ever.com

[Fats]

There's actually quite a few cars missing that should really be in GT4, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm not accepting this list as the final one, I'll just wait and see.

[ultimategamer2004]

Oh well there could be more than 610 then! :lol:

[games_ fan]

Theres KIA's in it :shock: piece of advice never buy a KIA it breaks down every few weeks my dad used to have one he spent as much as he did on the car fixing it. He really regreted not taking it for a test drive :lol:

[ultimategamer2004]

WOW i wonder if they will break down in the game! :lol: LOL

[Fats]

You really do have to wonder why they bother with some cars, the amount of time and effort they put in to replicate real life motors and they decide to have KIA in the game. :roll: :lol:

[ultimategamer2004]

yeah ones that most ppl will never use or want too LOL.

[bRoNx]

yeah ones that most ppl will never use or want too LOL.

In saying that, can you imagine the feeling some people get when they see their own vehicle in the game? I mean, to us it might be the crappiest car under the sun, but to them, it's like...speechless...

I just think that it's good these guys have devoted their time and effort into including as many cars as they can, as it'll no doubt please a wider audience.

[PS2warrior]

http://home.zonnet.nl/grantourismo/wallpapers/wallpaper2b.jpg
Is the sliver car backing firing or is it NOs? What is it ? I just wanted to know?
Sorry that the pic is big but that was the only size :(

[ultimategamer2004]

Might be one of 3 things:

NOS
Backfire
Gear change at high revs.

[Darknight]

Its unlikely to be NOS, this is Gran Turismo! :lol:

It'll be changing gear - and even that small effect looks damn impressive - I look foward to this game more with every shot that I see.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yeah well there will be more of a customizable feature thing in the game so it could be.

[Fats]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040802_screen011.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040802_screen012.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040625_screen002.jpg

[NickSCFC]

Ah, more Vegas.

[Fats]

Might be one of 3 things:

NOS
Backfire
Gear change at high revs.

Backfire and Gear change at high revs would be the same thing would they not?

[PS2warrior]

how can you put a document here?
If you want to view my web site log in as:
username:GameTester
password: 041989
http://ps2warrior163.proboards3.com/

[NickSCFC]

And what would we want to do that for?

[PS2warrior]

TO VIEW THE WEBSITE!!! Duh.

[ultimategamer2004]

Nick was trying to say in a way why would we want to view your site???

[Squarehed]

PS2 Warrior, 4give me if im wrong. I was on GTplanet the other day and it seemed as though you had taken the car list that ibe guy had worked so tirelessly on and posted it on other sites saying it was your work. And, you didnt even realise the failsafes he had on it. They seemed to be after you. Care to tell us your side of the story?

Soz i jus got the feelin you did somethin below board.

[Fats]

I don't think we're going to get a straight answer... PS2Warrior is one of the more special-ed people on the forum, I can never make the guy out.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yeah well he asked his permission so he took the failsafes out and PS2 warrier had permission to post them.

[PS2warrior]

PS2 Warrior, 4give me if im wrong. I was on GTplanet the other day and it seemed as though you had taken the car list that ibe guy had worked so tirelessly on and posted it on other sites saying it was your work. And, you didnt even realise the failsafes he had on it. They seemed to be after you. Care to tell us your side of the story?

Soz i jus got the feelin you did somethin below board.

I have no idea what u r talking about, but i know there is a PS2warrior on Gameslover.proboards.com. I likeed that name and take it as for this website. Well he kinda take my sn cuz of my website and he was a wannabe.

[Fats]

Hows the website coming along PS2warrior? Even though it's not so much a website as it is a forum.

[ultimategamer2004]

Well this is the GT4 disscusion so i think thats what we should talk about not a $^%£ website.

[PS2warrior]

Hows the website coming along PS2warrior? Even though it's not so much a website as it is a forum.
Doing great. Just watching a friend play a stuipd game called Final Fantasy X-2. I just wish to have more people on the forum. I just hate it when some people just join and never post at all. :evil:

[Fats]

Is GT4 still on a November release date for this country?

[PS2warrior]

In UK 2004 and USA 2004

[Fats]

That's not very helpful... :?

I looked around myself and a few places are saying that it will be released 29-October-2004 (UK).

[PS2warrior]

well im sorry i will be more helpful next time ok

[ultimategamer2004]

We can safly say that we will get it this year anyways.

[jaxmkii]

You really do have to wonder why they bother with some cars, the amount of time and effort they put in to replicate real life motors and they decide to have KIA in the game. :roll: :lol: yea and then totaly forget about the essetal cars like the VW MKI GTI the car that started the compact sportscar craze... at least in the states

[ultimategamer2004]

Yeah but they try and put all the newer cars in and if they were to do every car from every maker ever there would be thousands.

[alens5]

i can't wait to drive a car from 1886 the oldest in the game

[kevindenoyette]

sorry I had to put this here, it's off-topic and about gt3, but i didn't wanna start a thread, and found no help on other forums. here goes.

In gt3, i drive a fully tuned viper gts. It's got great acceleration and top speed (about 268 mph), and when i put on some super soft racing tires it handles great. Just one problem. When i race in professional mode against race cars, after a lap or two, my viper starts handling like a fucking brick. it's seriously retarded, it won't brake, or turn, nothing. I thought it would help if i lowered its hp to 800, but it still sucks. I put on some medium tires and they just don't have enough grip for bendy tracks so i'm always last. anyone recommend a setting or something which will help my car turn better but not oversteer? site links is good too, or a great car which handles good and has great speed would be appreciated. Also suggest how i get it if it must be won though please. please help me out, this is really frustrating.

[ultimategamer2004]

The viper is ver heavy and the tires fade fast so thats probably the prob its the same with me but i only race with it in oval races.

[emacs]

perhaps a repost ...

over at http://www.gtplanet.net/ there is a 353MB AVI file (720 x 400 pixels; DivX 5.x) that shows one complete lap (20.8 kilometers, 73 bends) of the world famous Nurburgring Nordschleife as rendered in Gran Turismo 4. for those not familiar with this track, it's a dedicated strip of road that entirely encircles a small town in Germany. when the Ring is open to the public, drivers will have to pay a small fee (14 Euros) for the privilege of racing along this track once. five laps will cost you 56 Euros. year-round unlimited access is 700 Euros. for many real-life professional circuit racers, the Nurburgring Nordschleife is the greatest and most challenging race circuit in the world. according to Kazunori Yamauchi, producer of the Gran Turismo franchise, lap times in GT4 for the Nurburgring Nordschleife is accurate to within 1% of the lap times recorded on the actual Ring.

[alens5]

what i'd realy hate is if they had an endurace race of it. :twisted: just imagina 200 laps of a 20.8 km track

[Kiwi]

They probably will though. Endurance races are always good for when you've got absolutely nothing else to do anyway :)

[kevindenoyette]

how long would it take to complete one lap of this track?

[emacs]

what i'd realy hate is if they had an endurace race of it. :twisted: just imagina 200 laps of a 20.8 km track

1000 km endurance races on the actual Nurburgring Nordschleife do exist; not in one sitting of course ;-)
more info over at http://www.nurburgring.de/

[emacs]

how long would it take to complete one lap of this track?


Stefan Bellof, with his works groupe-C Porsche 956, broke the lap record forever with his 6 minutes, 11.13 seconds laptime back in 1983. the record still stands as of 2004 ...

[kevindenoyette]

six minutes? crap. that's 50% longer than the "complex string" track in gt3.

[emacs]

six minutes? crap. that's 50% longer than the "complex string" track in gt3.

that 6m11s is a world record; so it'll probably take us a little longer to complete one lap ;-)
anyway, the laptime for the BMW 120d in the Nurburgring Nordschleife circuit video is 9m46s. although the file is 353MB in size, it's worth the download.

[alens5]

yeah it would not be too bad if you could complete 10 laps of it than you can quit and continue it later instead of doing 100-200 laps in one go :wink:

[kevindenoyette]

six minutes? crap. that's 50% longer than the "complex string" track in gt3.

that 6m11s is a world record; so it'll probably take us a little longer to complete one lap ;-)
anyway, the laptime for the BMW 120d in the Nurburgring Nordschleife circuit video is 9m46s. although the file is 353MB in size, it's worth the download.


Hmmmm. With a fully tuned car, you could probably do it faster than any one ever could. I don't see a porche go from 0-60 in 2.7 seconds and have a max speed of 435 kilometres per hour in real life, but it can here. But yeah, it migh just be hard to do because of all the turns.

[alens5]

is this the longest race track in the world :?:

[Pumster]

Hopefully, this isn't off-topic, but I thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention: GameStop (US) is offering Gran Turismo 3 used, or "Pre-Owned," for $5.99 USD. So, if anyone's been hesitant about picking the game up before GT4's release, this is a good reason to give it a try!

http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/938114b.jpg
Go get it. (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=938114)

[ultimategamer2004]

I wouldent like to think that ppl who dont have GT3 and know about that offer dont pick it up!

[emacs]

is this the longest race track in the world :?:

Nurburgring Nordschleife. more info over at http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/

[alens5]

thanks

[gamingmonkey2004]

sadly i sold my GT3 to late. a day late too. just after the price drop...so i got a only 1 buck. sadly. ill make sure i get GT4 and not sell that cause its online so its got a high replay value. same with SOCOM II that game gets old for a bit. so i stop for a few days then i start playing again..its so great. better then stupid Counter Stirke for XBOX with super ladder climbing and instant smoke grenades

[ultimategamer2004]

Was there any point in selling it for $1??

[gamingmonkey2004]

no...the stupid clerk wouldnt give it back. i was like how much can i get for these games. it was THPS4 GT3 and MGS2. and hes like ok. he scans them all and gives me a recipt. im like HELLS NO give me my GT3 back dude. and hes like "nah man i already added it to the inventory" then i was like F*ck you man give me my game..then they kicked me out

[ultimategamer2004]

you shouldent of let him dident you say no i'll take it away then i dont want to sell it for a shite price like that??

[gamingmonkey2004]

i was in a blind fury. and i didnt wnat to scare little children if i jump over hte counter and knock the guy out. i mean i spcifically said. i wanna check how much these games are worth. not take my games away and dont give me anything for them. yes im very angery about that. i also got like maybe 1 or 2 dollars for MGS2

[jaxmkii]

They probably will though. Endurance races are always good for when you've got absolutely nothing else to do anyway :) once i used it to stay awake all night to throw my sleep timing off

[gamingmonkey2004]

They probably will though. Endurance races are always good for when you've got absolutely nothing else to do anyway :) once i used it to stay awake all night to throw my sleep timing off

....what did that have to do with anything. Matts talking about endurance races...then your talking about your sleep. o boy...im lost

[NickSCFC]

You ever played an endurance race?

[Pumster]

Oh man, that's a rough story. Unfortunately, if you sell to GameStop or a similar store, you'll get, literally, one-third of what the item's actually worth. Here are a few good examples straight from GameStop: ("Sell-To" being you, the consumer, "selling" the item to GameStop.)

1. Nintendo 64 console.
Store Price: $14.99
Sell-To Price: $4.99

2. Nintendo 64 Expansion Pak.
Store Price: $24.99
Sell-To Price: $7.00

3. Nintendo 64 Controller (Official).
Store Price: $14.99
Sell-To Price: $4.00

Big differences there. I understand GameStop wants a large percentage for the sake of business, but I think these "Sell-To Estimates" are way too low. The moral of Gamingmonkey's story - if you have the time and energy to sell elsewhere, do it! (I recommend eBay and Half.com, by the way.)

[gamingmonkey2004]

You ever played an endurance race?
yes 100 laps of nothing..
and thanks pumster that really helped...o well it makes GT4 1 dollar cheaper..sort of...not

[jaxmkii]

They probably will though. Endurance races are always good for when you've got absolutely nothing else to do anyway :) once i used it to stay awake all night to throw my sleep timing off

....what did that have to do with anything. Matts talking about endurance races...then your talking about your sleep. o boy...im lost yes you are lost read it again CAREFULLY! "good for when you have nothing elses to do" like try and stay awake... get it...

[gamingmonkey2004]

sp your saying you wait until midnight or so and play an endurance race?

[England]

I was thinking that maybe after Gran Turismo 4 is out, will they release another version onto the PS2, ie GT Concept style or will they concentrate all their efforts on GT5. I'm thinking the latter will be that case, but I just wanted to check anyway.

My reason for asking this is because its going to be atleast 2 years until Gran Turismo 5 is out on the PS3. GT Concept came out just about 1 year afer the release of GT3.

[gamingmonkey2004]

that would be cool something to pasify everyone but unless GT5 is an opening game because after GT4 its only 1 more year until PS3...unless its pushed back more

[\\']-[()619]

GT4 should have more cars,more races,online.

[gamingmonkey2004]

-[()619]GT4 should have more cars,more races,online.

you have any idea of what you just said...what you said is exactly what GT4 has.
GT4 is online GT4 has 600+ cars plenty of races...read some before you post please

[Illmatic]

that would be cool something to pasify everyone but unless GT5 is an opening game because after GT4 its only 1 more year until PS3...unless its pushed back more


Eurogamer: So what's changed about GT4 since we saw it last year?

Kazunori Yamauchi: I can't remember all the details [of what has changed since then], but the physics generation has improved significantly since last year, there's been the addition of the Nurburgring track, the driver physics have improved significantly as well in comparison to last year. Also the spectators have been improved since last year - last year they were flat, this year they're in 3D, and of course we cannot forget the photo addition [that allows users to take almost lifelike stills in the game and print them out postcard size via a USB printer].

Eurogamer: Is the online mode now to your satisfaction? Have you managed to correct the lag issues that you were talking about last year?

Kazunori Yamauchi: The network quality and network head to head play quality has improved significantly. Last year I was uncomfortable with the latency. This year the latency has been taken care of.

Eurogamer: Has that been the main reason for the extended development time?

Kazunori Yamauchi: Well, that isn't everything - but it is, of course, one of the factors.

Eurogamer: What are the other reasons, then?

Kazunori Yamauchi: Obviously the number one reason was the development and creation of the cars - the modelling of the cars, and of course the modelling of every track in which this has taken over one year since we first paid a visit to do the shooting, and since then to complete for GT has taken a year or maybe more - so those are also other factors which add to that delay.

One very important factor - probably the biggest - is in the past year is we have had to supply ten master gold disks across the year to the car manufacturers, so that adds a lot of weight onto the workload for the team to develop the game in parallel and do all the collaboration disks.

Eurogamer: Is this the last game on PlayStation 2 game from Polyphony - if so, can we assume your next project will be on PlayStation 3?

Kazunori Yamauchi: That's correct.

Eurogamer: Is there anything you can tell us about the PSP version?

Kazunori Yamauchi: Unfortunately there's very little we can talk to you about regarding the PSP. There is much to be discussed and decided, however one thing I'd like to convey conceptually especially, is that just because it's a handheld, I don't want it to just be GT4 on PSP shaved off and diluted. I'd rather it was the full specification on PSP - that's the concept. Other than that, there's really not much more I can say.





Their next game will be GT5 for PS3. :)

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea i knew that it would be but my post earlier was kinda crazy so yea it sounded like i said it will come out for PS2...but thats a nice find

[julps31]

I can't imagine what GT5 will look like on the PS3. This game is gorgeous enough. But GT4 has all the improvments you could have hoped for. So GT will most likely keep its title as the best racing game out. Forenza who?

[gamingmonkey2004]

the cars a great..but i mean better backgrounds more races indepth...just like GT4 compared to GT3..you know but without load times..lol what we have been waiting for

[julps31]

Better backrounds? Have you seen some of the stages in this game? Namely the Las Vegas stage. Plus GT has never had problem with depth in my opinion.

[gamingmonkey2004]

im not saying the backgrounds are bad but i mean you can improve them along with the audience..yea they move and clap and stuff...but they are flat

[Illmatic]

No, the spectators are now 3D, the dumb thing about them is when you drive past them they're still looking the other way.

[gamingmonkey2004]

i guess i just saw a fake video of GT4 because the people were clapping and when the view changed to look behind hte car the people were looking hte other way but they were flat

[Illmatic]

It wouldn't have been a fake video, just an early version of GT4, they changed the crowd after GT4:Prologue was released.

[gamingmonkey2004]

ok then i guess is was a prologue video

[Kiwi]

Gran Turismo 4 stalled until "winter"

Sony's official Japanese release schedule says Polyphony's anticipated racer has been delayed.

On its official Japanese release calendar (http://www.playstation.jp/scej/title/ps2_pre.html), Sony Computer Entertainment has changed the release date of Gran Turismo 4 from "fall" to "winter." Since it did not label the game "winter 2004," this raises the possibility that the game may not come out this year. However, at the current time, Gran Turismo 4's official site (http://www.playstation.jp/scej/title/gt4/), which is also hosted by Sony, still refers to the game as a "fall" release.

Gran Turismo 4 had been tentatively scheduled to ship in November in North America. Since SCEA reps were unavailable for comment as of press time, it is unclear if the Japanese delay will affect the game's release on the other side of the Pacific.

Source: Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/)

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea i saw that article a long time ago but i thought novemeber was winter... :shock:

[Omega Blue]

GT4 is like the Half Life 2 of racing games, No matter when its released it will still sell like crazy and be the ebst racing game to date.

[Fats]

Hummmmm, how long has it been delayed for now? :cry:

[Kiwi]

yea i saw that article a long time ago but i thought novemeber was winter... :shock:

The article was posted on Gamespot two days ago I think, and if you read the article, you will notice that November is the release for Japan. So who knows when we'll end up getting it.

[Fats]

However, it's a tad unclear at this stage whether the Japan date listing is accurate, the official Japanese website for GT4 still apparently listing the game as an Autumn or 'Fall' release. And just to confuse things further, certain quarters are also highlighting the fact that the 'Winter' release appearing on the release calendar is devoid of a 2004 tag, leading to speculation that GT4 may not make it out this year at all. Hmmm.

www.computerandvideogames.com

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea i saw that article a long time ago but i thought novemeber was winter... :shock:

The article was posted on Gamespot two days ago I think, and if you read the article, you will notice that November is the release for Japan. So who knows when we'll end up getting it.

two days ago 20 years ago w/e its the same to me. anyway so when is America and Europe suppose to get it?

anyway specialpro who is giving...erm...i mean "selling" you a Xbox for 5 bucks? sounds like he.she might want a ps2 then

[Pumster]

The unthinkable has happened - According to IGN's latest article (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/550/550786p1.html?fromint=1), Gran Turismo 4 will not, initially, feature an Online Mode:
To make this date, SCE announced that the game would be missing its heavily touted online mode of play. The company plans on releasing a separate Online-compatible version of the game in the future.
This is definitely rough news.

[NickSCFC]

What a fucking joke!

I'll still be buying it, but I laugh at the idea that I actually considered taking my PlayStation 2 online. What a joke Sony, what a fucking joke!

[kevindenoyette]

That's harsh. They should have just pushed the release date further back. Well atleast there will be an online version later, although I don't think all this hassle will improve sales.

[NickSCFC]

Why didn't they just stick in a quick race mode instead of arsing around with shit like Photo Mode. I've just lost alot of respect for Sony.

I'd just like to say PlayStation 2 is a load of shit, I'll be selling mine before Christmas.

[kevindenoyette]

:shock:

[NickSCFC]

Forgive me for coming across as a bit of a tw*t, but I paid £300 for my PlayStation 2. I was bloody amazed when I read about Sony's online plan. The screens of the whole online setup looked absolutely amazing, and what do Sony have to show for all this...





SOCOM. I rest my fucking case.

[kevindenoyette]

That's alright. I'm not too worried about online play anymore, cause i lost my network cable.

[Illmatic]

Online play should have came with GT4, looks like they're gonna milk Gran Turismo for all it's worth.
Scamming another purchase.

Could't use your link, so i don't know if it showed the release dates, but here they are anyway.

Japan: December 3rd
US & Europe: December 14th

[NickSCFC]

Right, I've come to a decision. I'll get GT4 on one condition, they include Snow Patrol- Spitting Games in the soundtrack. Otherwise Sony can go f**k themselves with a large baboon shaped spoon.

[CrumCon]

GT4 online mode has been removed!! :evil:

[NickSCFC]

Oh, instead we get LAN with six players. Whoop de frikkin' doo!

[rev>thanu]

TGS 2004: Gran Turismo 4 Goes Offline
No online, new B-Spec mode. Due out in December.



September 24, 2004 - At a Tokyo Game Show press event today, Sony Computer Entertainment announced a Japanese release date for Gran Turismo 4. The title will indeed arrive this year, with a release date planned for December 3. American and European releases will also take place in early December with America getting a tentative date of December 14.


To make this date, SCE announced that the game would be missing its heavily touted online mode of play. The company plans on releasing a separate Online-compatible version of the game in the future.

SCE confirmed some final details on what we can expect from the game. A total of over 650 cars will be available in the title, far more than the Gran Turismo 3 count. Commenting on the number of cars, series producer Kasunori Yamauchi said "The world of cars may appear incredibly large, but it's actually a collection of small worlds. In order to cover the interests of all users, we deemed it necessary to include this many cars."

Yamauchi also confirmed that over fifty courses would make it into the game. These can be played in normal and reverse, making for over 100 varieties. The courses will include most of the courses that have appeared in the series so far along with new ones. The inclusion of so many courses is apparently part of one of the game's concepts of taking players on a journey through the world.

Also revealed at the press event was the game's new B-Spec mode of play. This mode focuses on the simulation side of the Gran Turismo series. Players customize their cars and send them out to the raceway for a hands-off race. The game automatically controls the car on the track, allowing the player to view the race in replay form. Players can interrupt the game with breaking and acceleration instructions if they see fit.

We'll have more on Gran Turismo 4 as TGS continues.


IT's online mode hasn't been cancelled they just removed it from the final version of the game to meet the deadline. but according to this article the company will release a seperate add on Maybe added to the HDD for the online mode later afterwards.

[GUNDAMSEED]

I still get GT4 with or with out online don't matter much to me any way , GT is by far the best driving game out there if i have to wait for GT 5 to have it so be it . Alot of people want gt4 now and online would have been great but face facts how many people will u think will play it online almost every gt game has sold 5 million plus copies and u can bet that they would not have been 5 million people playing GT4 online.

If they had to can the online mode to get game out fastter fine by me . People that will not buy game cause gt4 is not online are asses in my book. If bought every Gt game like i did and spend hours with it and it did not have online, i don't see why won't buy next cause online play has been taken out .

[Fats]

I still get GT4 with or with out online don't matter much to me any way , GT is by far the best driving game out there if i have to wait for GT 5 to have it so be it . Alot of people want gt4 now and online would have been great but face facts how many people will u think will play it online almost every gt game has sold 5 million plus copies and u can bet that they would not have been 5 million people playing GT4 online.

If they had to can the online mode to get game out fastter fine by me . People that will not buy game cause gt4 is not online are asses in my book. If bought every Gt game like i did and spend hours with it and it did not have online, i don't see why won't buy next cause online play has been taken out .

I agree with you totally. People should appreciate the game for what it will be, even if the online mode has been excluded. The amount of time and effort that's been put into this game will make it the best yet.

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea thats a good point but i was hoping for online mode...which is very dissapointing...i would rather wait for them to get the online mode on then dont have it. anyway wtf is b-spec mode?

[GUNDAMSEED]

b spec mode from what i read on ign is u don't drive the car but u give orders to a driver and u can make race go 4 times faster.

go to ign ps2 section the got 2 page stuff from ign from what i read it takes 1 month to do a car in gt4 wow compare to 1 day in gt2 .

[emacs]

the Gran Turismo 4 TGS 2004 trailer is now available; here's a mirror:
http://www.hinjang.com/media.html

[gamingmonkey2004]

awsome...i guess we are accually going to see our own pit crew? and snow levels thats cool

[limbfilter]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/granturismo4/media.html?gcst=gt4_0924m4.asx
scroll all the way down....to official movies...lots added today.

[kevindenoyette]

Wow. i'm very impressed. the surroundings look soooo much better than they did in gt3, and that was the only part of the game that needed fixing.

edit: one major annoying thing though, would be that in the replay, you can see the spectator's backs turned to your ride. and they don't seem to move then either, which is a shame cause it stands out.

[Fats]

I'm just checking out some of the videos now, hard to make out for me though because them seem to be poor quality... :?

Update :: Just seen trailer 5, ohhhhh the excitment! :shock:

[NickSCFC]

http://www.videogamerx.net/gamenews/a004/072/23.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen053.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20040924/gt412.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20040924/gt415.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20040924/gt416.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen184.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen464.jpg

[Fats]

WOW... :shock:

[NickSCFC]

The most impressive thing is the colour, hopefully it#ll actually look this good when we come to play it.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen036.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen035.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/561066_20040924_screen042.jpg
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[julps31]

Wow is an understatement. :shock: And to everybody who makes it seem the online mode was the only reason to get it, why did you buy the old GT's? It wasn't because the online mode. So buck up and wait for the online while you play the expectably beautifal single player. Okay. 8)

[Fats]

I really can't wait for this game, let's hope that it's out in time for Christmas... :) :)

[kevindenoyette]

Nick is totally right about the colour. that subaru looks so vibrant. I don't get it. Anyways, it looks great in these shots, and I'm sure it will look great in-game as well, gt is notorious for the graphics, and these look better than ever before.

[Maya 5.0]

GT4 online mode has been removed!! :evil:

I know how you feel.After i heared this i sold my Sony HDD on ebay for $60.This was the last straw considering they screwed us over Syphon Filter then they give us no software for the HDD and now no GT4 online which probably means no HD support.

I think ill just get a 120GB HDD and install HD loader instead.

[RC Cola]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they going to just release an add-on for online mode? While it sucks that they're not putting it into the main game, at least they're still doing it. From some of the reactions, it seems like they decided no online at all, yet if they will add it on later, I wouldn't be too disappointed.

However, this decision had really no effect on me. I played the last one for a long time without playing it online, although even if it was online, I wouldn't have played it online. If I play this one, I'll play it just like I played the others. It is nice to have the online option though.

[alens5]

WOW now those screens are imp-ressive, :shock: i showed my dad and he got real excited and all :D

[Fats]

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Not the best images but they'll have to do! :)

[alens5]

if these are real time, i think the emergency room will go on strike :shock:

[Kiwi]

Gran Turismo 4

At a press conference earlier today, Kazunori Yamauchi, president of Polyphony Digital, revealed a plethora of new information on Gran Turismo 4--most of it good. We'll get the bad news out of the way first, though, which is that Gran Turismo 4 will not be shipping with any online functionality. Yamauchi cited "challenges" with the European and Japanese online infrastructures as the reason behind the decision--challenges that would presumably have taken until well after the game's targeted December release date to overcome. Polyphony now plans to release an online version of the game (or at least a very similar game) sometime next year.

The focus of today's Gran Turismo 4 press conference was the game's newly announced B-Spec mode. Compatible with both the Arcade and Gran Turismo modes of play, the B-Spec option will essentially be an all-new way of playing (or not playing) the game. If you select the B-Spec option ahead of any race, you'll basically be choosing not to drive the car yourself but, instead, to just influence the way that the CPU driver in your seat does its job. You'll view the race from the same camera angles used in replays, and you'll determine how hard your driver pushes by hitting buttons numbered one (cruising) through five (driving on the edge). In addition to those buttons, you'll have the option to hit an overtake button that will see your driver actively trying to improve his position, and a button with a large letter "P" on it, which will have your driver pull into the pits at the next opportunity. Now, you might be thinking that the B-Spec mode is going to require you to do little more than stick your car on number five with the overtaking option highlighted. You'd be wrong.

For one thing, the CPU driver in your seat is capable of making mistakes, and is more likely to do so when he's driving aggressively. Yamauchi also pointed out that, in lengthy races, you'll need to look after your tires if you don't want to have to make lots of pit stops. Speaking of lengthy races, incidentally, Yamauchi--while demonstrating the B-Spec mode's Race Monitor screen--mentioned that it will be possible to speed up races by up to four times, so you could theoretically run the Le Mans 24 Hour race in just six hours. The Race Monitor screen, which updates on the fly, will allow you to check out the current race standings as well as the distances between each of the cars so that you might make more informed decisions as to how to have your driver proceed.

In addition to announcing the B-Spec mode, Yamauchi took a few minutes to go into greater detail about the game's photo mode--which was unveiled at E3 earlier this year. The photo mode will actually comprise two distinct methods for composing pictures: "photo travel" and "photo drive." The photo travel mode, which we got hands-on with at E3, will allow you to choose any car, place it in one of 15 different locations, and then shoot it from almost any angle imaginable. The photo drive mode, on the other hand, will allow you to take more action-oriented shots using race replays from any of the game's 50-plus tracks. The camera positions available to you in this mode will be more limited, but you'll still have over 300 to choose from at any time.

Among the 50-plus tracks in Gran Turismo 4 (not including the reverse versions) will be four that were unveiled for the first time today, namely El Capitan in Yosemite, California's Infineon Raceway, and Japan's Suzuka and Twin Ring Motegi circuits. Popular courses from previous Gran Turismo titles will also be in the game, and each has benefited from a GT4 makeover that not only makes them even more pleasing to the eye, but also, in the case of those based on real-life tracks, more realistic. The only newly announced course available to race in the Tokyo Game Show demo version of the game was El Capitan, so as soon as the press conference was over we took the opportunity to test-drive a few different cars there. The scenery was arguably the most beautiful we've ever seen in a racing game, with mountains and trees stretching far into the horizon. Yamauchi believes that Gran Turismo 4 players should be able to enjoy traveling the world as much as they enjoy driving, and with that in mind it's not difficult to see why the game would feature a track in the Yosemite National Park.

Among the cars we toured Yosemite in was the wedge-shaped Dome Zero concept car that dates back to the '70s--one of several cars that were revealed in Gran Turismo 4 for the first time today. Other models worthy of note that we got to see today (although not all of them were playable in the demo) included: the Mazda 6 MPS, which was only unveiled in Paris two days ago; the upcoming BMW M5; Toyota's Motor Triathlon Race Car, which looks like the 4x4 offspring of a Formula 1 car and an SUV; Jay Leno's one-of-a-kind Tank Car, which is roughly twice the size of any other car in the game; and Chrysler's 1886 Tri-Wheel. During his presentation, Yamauchi confirmed that the final number of cars in Gran Turismo will be in excess of 650 from 80 different manufacturers. He had apparently hoped to include twice as many cars as that at one point, but given that each car in the game takes a designer approximately a month to model, it simply wasn't possible.

Before wrapping up his presentation with the "no online play" bombshell, Yamauchi shared a few more new details about Gran Turismo 4: the game will feature Dolby Pro-Logic II support; you'll be able to fit no less than 1,000 cars in your garage this time around (as opposed to just 200 in GT3); and an in-game calendar will keep track of all of your significant achievements. Finally, the Japanese release for the game was confirmed for December 3, while North American and European releases were "targeted" for December 14.

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More Screens (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/granturismo4/screenindex.html)

[Fats]

Pray that this is released for the 14th of December!

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[alens5]

mmmmmmmm polygons

so when will it get released in Australia?

[jaxmkii]

Oh, instead we get LAN with six players. Whoop de frikkin' doo! can we use the network adapter or are we still stuck with the Firewire port?
and btw my autocross club (www.cart.com conneticut autocross & rally team) hold GT lan partys once every 4 weeks and it has always proved to be SOOO much more fun than some nameless challenger that quits as soon as he starts to lose, and when its the same 30 folks all the time you develop great competive relationships :) plus we get beer+pizza and its alot cheaper than the real thing.

you know LANs are way more fun with freinds you should try it. yes it requires effort and a large room but its so worth it. have you every tryed GT3 in 3Xscreen mode :shock: you might get car sick... :P

[Leedogg]

What I would like to see put the game on the HDD (optional) and when they are ready for online make a expansion pack cd kinda like FFXI. That way peeps dont have to buy two copies of the same game.

Just another one of my crazy ideas!

Leedogg

[Squarehed]

Not stupid at all, actually just what i was thinking. Hopefully Sony will realise that people aren't going to shell out another 40 squid for an online enabled GT4. To be honest, the online mode wasn't one of the things that was essential. Otherwise the previous GT games wouldn't have sold by the bucketlod.

One other idea would be to release 2 tiers of GT4 online:

One of them would be the complete game with the online mode included. Then, they could release a stand alone online version (maybe around 20 quid) that worked with the save of GT4, that's probably entice more people to get it online.

Also, how will prologue's save affect GT4, just licenses? or will we get a little extra for paying 25 quid!

[sub1zero]

GRAPHICS WISE isn't GT4 better than Forza Motor Sport ?? Even with GAMEPLAY and SOUND GT4 is better than Forza isn't it ?? But for the time being Forza has the replay value. (ONLINE) So what are your predictions on the REVIEWS for GT4 and FORZA ?? Mine will be :

Forza Motorsport : 9.3

Gran Turismo 4 : 9.8

[NickSCFC]

And the point is?

[The_One]

The point of that post was to raise his post count to a "not too surprising" 123... :roll:.

[sub1zero]

GRAPHICS WISE isn't GT4 better than Forza Motor Sport ?? Even with GAMEPLAY and SOUND GT4 is better than Forza isnt it ??

^^^ In case some of my brainy BUDDIES haven't figured out the sentence above : I am asking a QUESTION to you guys because I don't know the answer for that QUESTION and hence the QUESTION MARK in the end. I am not stating my OPINION in the first two SENTENCES but only in the LAST and the ONE before where I guess the REVIEWS for GT4 and FORZA

[Omega Blue]

GT4 will be better then Forza no if, ands, or buts, simply because Forza is a XBox game and even the good XBox exclusive titles are cheap knock offs of other games or ideas and end up being overhype'd and/or over rated, Example:

Halo, Halo 2 Over hyped and over rated, based of a book because bungie and microsoft have never been able to come up with a good selling idea of their own.

Forza, based of GT4 because PG can't cut it and MS is again unoriginal.

Ninja Gaiden, Again Think DMC now replace Dante with Ryu, and the rest of the characters take theire allotted positions (i mean you can pretty much cut and paste and end up with the exact same story even final boss) even tho i thought Ninja Gaiden was good, i mean c'mon be more original even the menu screens and object screens look similiar.

[Fats]

More fargin' screens to have a gander at!

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[rev>thanu]

i think i already posted these pics a while back.

[Fats]

i think i already posted these pics a while back.

Ah sorry, should have checked before I posted them. But you could say that they're so good they're worthey of two posts.

[sub1zero]

Good GRIEF. Are those graphics really from GRAN TURISMO GAMEPLAY or just some CG MOVIE ?? :shock: I never knew PS2 has the power to be able to do graphics like that. Looking at that I think even HALO 2 would run in the PS2 if it were to be built for the PS2 specifically and not PORTED. Don't those GRAPHICS look better than the best of XBOX GAMES ?? :shock: 8)

[jaxmkii]

what are the texture sizes in GT4??? they look HUGE :shock:

[gamingmonkey2004]

looks good..to bad im f*ckin angery with GT4 because there isnt Online now..grrr :evil:

[Kiwi]

Any chance of an online expansion being released?

[rev>thanu]

yeah they said that they will be releasing one later on but nothing confirmed yet and no release date either. i guess the only reason there isn't going to be an online mode coming right out the box is because sony want's it to hit the shelfs already. But i'm sure i read at IGN that online mode has not been discarded but postponed.

[Kiwi]

Would be good if they did release an expansion anyway, GT4 online would just be amazing.

[Fats]

Would be good if they did release an expansion anyway, GT4 online would just be amazing.

Quite a lot of sources are saying that they're going to release an expansion/stand-alone version sometime in the future.

[Kiwi]

Just a shame that they won't be doing it straight away. Yet another GT title to wait ages for.

[Fats]

I know, but I'll be happy enough playing GT4. :)

[Splitter]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56989

Looks like we, Europeans will have to wait until Q1 ’05 for GT4... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[Fats]

Son of a bitch. I can't believe how long we've been waiting on this game... It'll be worth the wait mind you. :D

[Splitter]

I just can’t stand this. Man, Europe was, is and will always be the pariah of video gaming… At least with all this “localization” I expect a decent PAL version (No screen borders, no speed loss).
On second thought, I’ll be at the States this Xmas. Maybe I’ll purchase the U.S. version after all…

[jaxmkii]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56989

Looks like we, Europeans will have to wait until Q1 ’05 for GT4... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: hey if you spank nutz dint have such a crapy internet inferstructure GT4 might be out buy now and be online! :P

[Splitter]

It's not like is anybody's fault; Even if we all had our personal T1’s :lol: the situation would be exactly the same I’m afraid… :(

[Kiwi]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56989

Looks like we, Europeans will have to wait until Q1 ’05 for GT4... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: hey if you spank nutz dint have such a crapy internet inferstructure GT4 might be out buy now and be online! :P

.....Whatever you say :roll:

But anyway, Q1 isn't that much of a wait. San Andreas is out next week, Killzone a few weeks after that. Then we've got a number of Christmas releases, which I can't be bothered to list :)

It'll come around soon enough.

[jaxmkii]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56989

Looks like we, Europeans will have to wait until Q1 ’05 for GT4... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: hey if you spank nutz dint have such a crapy internet inferstructure GT4 might be out buy now and be online! :P

.....Whatever you say :roll: . chill matt its a joke i love Europeans... I buy your cars :D 01 turbo beetle 90 volvo 240DL

[Fats]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56989

Looks like we, Europeans will have to wait until Q1 ’05 for GT4... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: hey if you spank nutz dint have such a crapy internet inferstructure GT4 might be out buy now and be online! :P

.....Whatever you say :roll: . chill matt its a joke i love Europeans... I buy your cars :D 01 turbo beetle 90 volvo 240DL

Two very shit cars...lol :D

I jest...