Revolution Discussion Thread Part 4

[Matt]

Continuation of the Revolution threads:

Part 1 (http://playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1230)
Part 2 (http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2312)
Part 3 (http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2529)

As usual, keep it on-topic.

[games_ fan]

Don't you mean the revolution threads not the ds.

[Matt]

Yea, I originally set up this as another DS thread, though I realised it was for the Revolution. Changed the title, just forgot to edit my post. Anyway, onto the Revolution.....

[ultimategamer2004]

So whats your guys overall feel on the new design?

[NickSCFC]

There's a Revolution design :shock:

[Sk Manga]

i think they mean ds

[games_ fan]

Here are some rumors about the revolutions power.

Q: What are Revolution's technical specs?

A: Currently unknown.

Rumors abound indicated that Nintendo could separately be working on two systems and that ultimately one would be chosen for retail. System 1 allegedly featured a 2.7GHz PowerPC G5 processor, 512MBs of RAM, and a 600MHz graphics chip. System 2 allegedly featured dual 1.8GHz PowerPC G5 processors. 256MBS of DDR Main Memory RAM, 128MBS of GDDR3 Video RAM and a 500MHz graphics chip. Both systems allegedly featured a built in 15GB hard drive. As of this time, these rumors cannot be validated.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559p1.html?fromint=1

[cpiasminc]

Given the points that Nintendo officials have repeatedly made, I think sheer power is not one of their design goals, and that they're going to stand out in other ways. So in terms of sheer brute force power, it's most likely going to be the weakest of the 3 consoles. Where it's probably going to differ is in the areas flexibilities to do certain things, graphics paradigms, sound paradigms, user input, etc.

They have repeatedly mentioned that sheer graphics power will not enable them to stand out in the market so they may go a different route than simple increasing of GPU and rasterization power. I'm hoping to god they do something to improve sound. IIRC, there are a handful of former engineers from Aureal over at Nintendo now... well, I know there were a few at one point, but I don't know if any are still there. That might bode well. There was also all that buzz before about their business with Gyration... that could mean an interesting control options, but they simply can't throw away traditional controllers for the sake of games and gamers which are better suited to ordinary controls. I can tell you from experience that Gyration's little pick-up mouse does work pretty darn well... but its relaxed nature is not well suited to precision mousing tasks like say... 3d or 2d artwork or clicking really tiny buttons.

[Loc]

Im thinking..."Extreme Party Machine." With camera abilities and some other junk.

[cpiasminc]

I wonder how many hardcore gamers actually have friends. I mean, a "party machine" is not a bad idea, but I don't know if the US is the place where you can get a very large following for games like that -- the DDRs and the Smash Brotherses. Sure, the loyal followings exist, but it's a small following. I think models like that are going to do well in Japan, but I have my doubts outside of the Orient.

[Mitri]

i think the whole "party machine" thing can be acheived with the current consoles.(ex: eye toy)

but to make a whole console based off of jumping and running around your living room in order to complete the game shouldn't be the base of the console.

i think that nintendo should just get on the ball with the online, more quality games, and better quality online games(the 2 that they do have suck eggs)

who wouldn't play super smash bros. online? tell me? they could sell consoles just for that.

[megadrive]

If Revolution comes out later than Xbox Next / Xenon / Xbox 2, then Revolution stands a decent chance of being more powerful than Microsoft's offering. even though sheer processing power is not the main goal of Revolution.

[xbdestroya]

Sper Smash Bros is awesome... so awesome. I'll relate a story:

My brother, who is presently getting ready to graduate from college, was like most post high-schoolers a couple of years ago; totally dissillusioned with Nintendo's offerings post N64. But what heppend was, I got a GC for a birthday present, and discovered there's a lot more going on here than I had been led to believe. And I showed him what was going on. And he took the concept back to school - and Super Smash has turned into the ultimate party game among him and his friends, right up there with all those EA sports offerings. As for me, back in normal world, I take the cube with me on any extended vacations I go on with friends, skiing, etc... Mario Party and Smash are just SO approachable, that all involved, the guys and the girls, have a great time.

Anyway, from what I understand spec-wise, N5 (they should call it something awesome like that by the way) should have basically the same VPU chip as the Box, mayeb tweaked slightly, and depending on release date, possibly more powerful. But N's going to be comign from a different direction and, as in the last generation, trying to keep costs down - so unless they debut like over a year later, I see their CPU/Ram setup as being weaker than XBox. But who knows? Costs can come down plenty in a year's time, and N might get a little more aggresive.

[Xtreme Autoz]

Whats happened to this thread, is it dead?

Come on get back to talking.

[Fats]

THE REVOLUTION IS COMING: NEW INFO ON THE BIG N'S NEXT-GEN BEAST

We're still scraping ourselves off the ceiling after Nintendo's orgy of DS announcements at last week's press conference, and now we've come across more titbits about Revolution, the successor to GameCube.

Speaking to US press, Nintendo's energetic executive vice president of sales and marketing Reggie Fils-Aime (you may have seen him shouting, "We're all about the games!" like a loon at E3) suggested that Revolution will have connectivity with DS and will launch at the same time as Xbox 2 and PS3. This places all three systems within a late 2005/early 2006 release window.

"Our sight is to be number one in the console space," said Fils-Aime. "Our focus is this: we will bring Revolution to the marketplace roughly at the same time as our competition. We are driving our timetables based on what we believe Sony will do."

He rejected claims that ensuring Revolution launched at the same time as Xbox 2, expected to be the first next-gen machine to hit shelves, was essential. "Not that we want to ignore Xbox, but we believe that a rush to a new system is a mistake."

Fils-Aime was on hand to discuss DS and confirmed speculation that Nintendo's upcoming handheld could handle connectivity to GameCube and Revolution. "Could there be interactivity with GameCube?" pondered Fils-Aime. "Depends on the software and accessories needed from a GameCube perspective, but it's certainly possible."

"Could there be interactivity with the Revolution? Certainly possible. Certainly capable. What we're looking to do is create great games like Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and Four Swords that will take advantage of that connectivity."

And we needn't worry about the recent lack of triple-A third-party software appearing on GameCube reflecting on Revolution's games lineup, according to Fils-Aime. "Look what we've done with the DS," he said. "Third-party developers are adopting our view of the future."

All very exciting, but there's one catch: we won't get a sniff of Revolution until next May. When asked if the system would be playable at next year's E3 Fils-Aime responded, "Our worldwide President Mr. Iwata has made a statement that the Revolution will be discussed at E3 and that's my expectation as well."

Well, at least we've got DS to keep us busy in the meantime.

www.computerandvideogames.com

[Domination]

I have to agree with cpiasminc. From what I know, Nintendo isn't really a competitor when it comes to brute hardware power. They focus more on sticking to a simple game console (due to cost) that can at lease stay competitive with the others. now, I don't have the slightest idea what Nintendo plans to do with their next console, but don't count out innovation for them. These guys are known for this. I mean, c'mon now,... who would have expected their handheld to have something like a stylus to enhance the play?

[DappaDizzle]

iv heard rumors of a eye toy like thing built in

[amazing me]

I for one really wonder what Nintendo has up its sleeve, is it going to be cool or not, will it make third parties run to or from Nintendo. Here's hoping Nintendo stops being so darn stubborn about online and such, all it ever does is distance itself from fans and developers. In terms of power, I believe it'll do pretty good in that area, I never believed one second of that "we don't care for power" talk. I really hope what ever the Big N does that'll it will really be cool, cause I really love the games Ninty makes

[jaxmkii]

Yea, I originally set up this as another DS thread, though I realised it was for the Revolution. Changed the title, just forgot to edit my post. Anyway, onto the Revolution..... LOL I know there is a movement growing in the US for a Revolution but when i saw this sticky under politics my eyes buged i thought "OMG THERE TALKING OUT IN THE OPEN!" :lol: ... my bad

[Domination]

FIRST DETAILS ON THE BIG N'S NEXT GEN CONSOLE

Button you're not exactly going to be thrilled...

12:42 Nintendo has been keeping notoriously quiet with regards to plans for its next-generation console, codenamed the Revolution, which is set to be finally revealed at next year's E3.
It's not something you can exactly blame them for, with a DS handheld launch across Japan and the US to mastermind - and all that that entails. However we have come across a snippet of info from a fairly unlikely source, which seems to be the first concrete info on the Big N's Revolution.

Japanese mag Diamond Weekly is reporting that the Revolution will apparently ditch one of the Big N's trademark features, its controller layout, with the D-pad and A and B buttons jettisoned and now set to become part of gaming history.

What will they come up with in the to replace this Big N staple? Well no-one knows exactly, but with the innovation show in the DS's touch screen and breath control, the Nintendo has shown it's not exactly shy of embracing the new.

So what should Nintendo be aiming for with its apparently new controller setup for the Revolution?

Whoa.... Now this sounds a little interesting. NO CONTROLLERS? This reminds me of the wireless gloves Sony had patented for their next-generation console. Is this where Nintendo is heading? :shock: I wonder what Microsoft's plans are.

[Z]

it didn't say 'no controllers' it said 'new' controllers. maybe they'll make a touch screen in the controller.

[Domination]

it didn't say 'no controllers' it said 'new' controllers. maybe they'll make a touch screen in the controller.

Umm....No

Revolution will apparently ditch one of the Big N's trademark features, its controller layout, with the D-pad and A and B buttons jettisoned and now set to become part of gaming history.

If they are ditching them, what will they be replaced with? Yes, we know that they'll have controllers, but what kind? It could be touch sensitive and maybe it won't. One thing we do know is the directional pad and the A/B buttons are what normally play a crucial part on a controller.

Oh, and I didn't say the report said no controllers. I said that as a sign of a possibility of them not having them or at least those we aren't used to.

[Z]

technically, if they change the position of the A/B buttons slightly and rename them, that would be concidered 'ditching them'. and the D pad? well an analog will do just find. alot of games don't use Dpad now anyway.
I was thinking of including a digital nub, like PSP.

to be honest, I am not interested one bit about Ninty, because they haven't said ANYTHING. E3 is 5 months away, unless they plan on rvelealing everything in E3 and not anytime before that. mario has some weird thinking :?

[Domination]

You can believe however you want, but I don't think that'll be the case when games like Soul Caliber, Super Smash Brothers and other head to head fighters require such a layout. I believe they are going to completely get rid of the buttons in exchange for something new.

[Rob78]

Yea, I originally set up this as another DS thread, though I realised it was for the Revolution. Changed the title, just forgot to edit my post. Anyway, onto the Revolution..... LOL I know there is a movement growing in the US for a Revolution but when i saw this sticky under politics my eyes buged i thought "OMG THERE TALKING OUT IN THE OPEN!" :lol: ... my bad
Well, I was looking areound, and I did find something on Microsofts plans, apparantly, there will be 3(!!!) X-Box Nexts.
Microsoft to release three versions of Xbox 2

One of them will be like a PC, shock

By Wil Harris: Thursday 11 November 2004, 10:23
A SLIDE from a non disclosure agreement (NDA) presentation seen by the INQ points towards Microsoft launching three versions of the Xbox 2, one of which is a fully functioning PC.

The presentation, understood to have been given to analysts and market researchers in the UK earlier this year, plots a timeline for the introduction of the systems. Xbox Next and Xbox Next HD are planned for Autumn 2005, whereas the Xbox Next PC is pencilled in for Autumn 2006.

The standard Xbox Next will not include a hard drive, which will allow Microsoft to cut costs on this basic unit. Xbox Next HD, as you might imagine, does include a hard drive and will offer increased functionality based on this. Xbox Next PC is, according to the presentation, an entry-level PC that runs Windows and all standard PC software. It also includes CD Burner, Wireless keyboard, mouse and controller and will work best connected to a high-definition TV or PC monitor. Media Center functionality - like movies, music and photos - is also included. The device will also play most available PC games.

System outline specifications note that internet browsing and instant messaging would be key applications, and that the entire unit will be smaller than the current Xbox, although it will not be possible to upgrade the shipping memory or processor.

The year-long gap between the mooted introductions of the two standard Xboxes before the Xbox Next PC is an interesting decision, which suggests that Microsoft realises the time that the market needs to acclimatise to TV media functionality. Since the Vole expects to ship Xbox Next before the Sony PlayStation 3, two versions of the console allow it to get the first wave out before PS3, but to also spoil the launch of Sony's flagship by concurrently announcing the PC version.
Scource: The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19615)

[solidus]

That's pretty old news and should belong into the Xenon thread, not here

[Z]

Doesn’t N change the layout of its controllers every time? They make them more confusing and weird each time. To tell you the truth, I am more worried about their game library. There isn’t much really, and the good titles are very few and far between. They should really focus on games. If they did that, they will sell what ever system they want, no matter how ‘alien’ it is.

[Domination]

Doesn’t N change the layout of its controllers every time? They make them more confusing and weird each time. To tell you the truth, I am more worried about their game library. There isn’t much really, and the good titles are very few and far between. They should really focus on games. If they did that, they will sell what ever system they want, no matter how ‘alien’ it is.

That's true, but never once had they gotten rid of the what made their controller so popular or just a controller, for that matter. This is why I believe they are going to completely get rid of the standard layout for something new.

But, I agree about the games They really need to market their console to more users and not just the PG consumers.

[Omega Blue]

they'll probly get rid of the d-pad and put a touch sensitive "thing" in its place, and keep an analog. as far as a "A-B" leaving, well we'll just have to see what happens with that.

[Z]

They could do with only shoulder buttons. Maybe they’ll make a controller with one analog stick (or sliding nub) and shoulder buttons.

[Domination]

they'll probly get rid of the d-pad and put a touch sensitive "thing" in its place, and keep an analog. as far as a "A-B" leaving, well we'll just have to see what happens with that.

I was thinking the very same thing. I'm not sure if you all remember it or not, but a third party supplier designed a touch-sensitive controller for the SNES console. Everything seemed pretty normal on the controller except for the directional pad. It would act in the very same way as the Nintendo DS's tounch screen. Of course, it had its pro and cons, too. For head to head fighters like Soul Caliber, it was a pain to use due to games like this requiring repetitive mashing on the directional pad to execute a special attack. Seeing how it was touch sensitive, it negated this type of play.

If Nintendo were to take this route, they could alienate their fanbase. I'm still not so sure about their plans for the A and B buttons.

[Z]

GameCube doesn’t have any innovations at all. Connectivity with GBA? Wasn’t that done with N64? If it wasn’t then yes, that would be the only one.
And we have to differentiate between ‘innovation’ and different. ‘different’ is when you choose one analog stick or two, how many shoulder buttons, is there a trigger or not, etc.
‘innovation’ is to innovate; to bring new experiences. Gamecube offered nothing new. In fact, it lacked many features that were considered a giving – a default, like DVD playback and online play. I do encourage innovation, but to out it as a core is risky. If it fails, they whole system fails. But is you put it as an extra, then if it fails, only that feature will fail, thus won’t affect the system as a whole. Examples of this are the EyeToy; If it failed it wouldn’t hurt PS2 sails, and when it succeeded it boosted sales, to a degree. Also DS’s touch screen; if it fails, you can do without it. If it succeeds, it will add to the strength of the machine.
So what ever ‘innovation’ Ninty has for Revolution shouldn’t be at the core of the system- unless they are extremely confident it will work, but how can anyone be?
In any case, I admire a company that takes risks and introduces new experiences to old habits.

[Domination]

Yamauchi's Revolution Hints

"From a technicological point of view, all machines (of the next generation) will be pretty evenly matched up. So what will make the difference will be the software, and Nintendo is the best software house in the world. Revolution will be the perfect platform to demonstrate that. The name is no coincidence. It will be revolutionary. The technology, the software libraries, the control method. Even the plastic the case will be made of is of a new, revolutionary kind. And it will interact with the DS in ways never thought possible."

Source (http://aussie-nintendo.oyadus.com/news/objects/05/01/02_revolution_hints.htm)

Sounds good, but what could possibly make the casing any better than it it now? Will it glow in the dark or something? http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/confused2.gif I'm very interested in seeing just how revolutionary this console will be.

[amod20002004]

Yamauchi's Revolution Hints

"From a technicological point of view, all machines (of the next generation) will be pretty evenly matched up. So what will make the difference will be the software, and Nintendo is the best software house in the world. Revolution will be the perfect platform to demonstrate that. The name is no coincidence. It will be revolutionary. The technology, the software libraries, the control method. Even the plastic the case will be made of is of a new, revolutionary kind. And it will interact with the DS in ways never thought possible."

Source (http://aussie-nintendo.oyadus.com/news/objects/05/01/02_revolution_hints.htm)

Sounds good, but what could possibly make the casing any better than it it now? Will it glow in the dark or something? http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/confused2.gif I'm very interested in seeing just how revolutionary this console will be.
Let me tell you one thing. It may be nintindow64 or gamecube or even it is revolution it doesn’t matter to me. Why? Because I am sure that they will again publish very childish titles with childish graphics. I know that they have issued some mature titles too but tell me in what proportion. I am 21 years old and I don’t want to play childish title. That’s it.

[Neon Sentry]

Whenever Nintendo speaks of their Revolution, then mention innovation... what in the hell...

What does Nintendo know about innovation? Many Nintendo fans are convinced the DS is the first handheld with a touch screen, but that's wrong. Hell, I've even heard some people think the NES was the first console with removeable carts :shock:

Their "innovation" lies in addition and subtraction. They remove a button here and there, they add a screen, and that's it. They want to re-release a game, they add something new, and remove something vital (analog control, anyone???)

To say these people are soaking in thier own ego is like saying killing is naughty... understatement of the damned century :?

[Z]

What does Nintendo know about innovation? Many Nintendo fans are convinced the DS is the first handheld with a touch screen, but that's wrong.

not just PDA's that had this, since Ninty fans argue that DS is the first 'gaming system' to have one, Tapware's Gizmondo has a touch feature. They also have the stupidest name in history but hey. And I want to repeat my last post.
I was going to quote my self! How weird is that. ;)

[Neon Sentry]

And there's the Tapwave Zodiac, right?

[Z]

Oops!!
I meant the Zodiac. But hey, if Gizmondo supports touch, then there is no problem.
Sorry for the mix up. Silly names get me confused ;)

[Mitri]

Quote:
Yamauchi's Revolution Hints

"From a technicological point of view, all machines (of the next generation) will be pretty evenly matched up. So what will make the difference will be the software, and Nintendo is the best software house in the world. Revolution will be the perfect platform to demonstrate that. The name is no coincidence. It will be revolutionary. The technology, the software libraries, the control method. Even the plastic the case will be made of is of a new, revolutionary kind. And it will interact with the DS in ways never thought possible."

Source



does anyone else think that this would confirm the change of the controller layout for the revolution?

the connection with the DS would only be possible with the change of the button layout and since they already confirmed this the revolution will have a touchpad instead of a directional pad. in order to be connected with the DS.

[Neon Sentry]

Didn't N's President specifically state that there would be no touch screen-like devices on the Revolution?

[Domination]

Didn't N's President specifically state that there would be no touch screen-like devices on the Revolution?

I'm not sure about that yet. BUT, I do know that it is impossible for the PSP to really take the DS's exclusive titles due to its touch screen.

[axia777]

Yamauchi's Revolution Hints

"From a technicological point of view, all machines (of the next generation) will be pretty evenly matched up. So what will make the difference will be the software, and Nintendo is the best software house in the world. Revolution will be the perfect platform to demonstrate that. The name is no coincidence. It will be revolutionary. The technology, the software libraries, the control method. Even the plastic the case will be made of is of a new, revolutionary kind. And it will interact with the DS in ways never thought possible."

Source (http://aussie-nintendo.oyadus.com/news/objects/05/01/02_revolution_hints.htm)

Best software developer house in the world? :lol: AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! :lol: That is funny on soooo many levels is is just sad. Mario or Zelda better than GTA? Not really. Metroid:Prime better than Halo 1/2? Yes, on some levels, but then Nintendo did not make that game! Retro Studios in Texas did. Nintendo's level of delusional conceit is getting sickening. :evil:

As for that other crap with the DS working with the "Revolution"? That again is comlpete and utter crap. Oh yah, sooo many people got a GameCube because it connected with the Gameboy. Sure, right, uh huh.... :lol: So god damned lame. Even the code name "Revolution" speakes of desperation. "See us, SEE US!? IT IS A REVOLUTION!!!'screams Nintendo.

Does that fool actually think for a second that people are gonna get the Revolution because of some funky new Nintendo feature on a console and not because of games? He is smoking CRACK straight from the glass pipe man. Uh, does he even see sales from GTA:III/VC/SA and Halo 1/2(just for examples)? He must be living in an alternate demension or something. Nintendo is detined to be in third place FOREVER. Soory Nintendo, you are sucking and the world knows it! All they have left is thier handheld systems and Pokemon.

[amod20002004]

Yes very true. I don’t think that too much innovation going to help Big N. :lol:

[DSkyline]

Yeah and you lot keep telling yourself that. :lol: Nintendo 3rd Place??? Where are you coming from? You can't say nintendo is 3rd place at all. Yes in europe and America the gamecube is 3rd place. But that's not Nintendo. And also Zelda better than GTA....Hell Yeah!!!! You lot can give but you can't take. And i can prove that 'cuz now your all gonna start flaming me. And if you notice i havn't said one bad thing about Sony or the Playstation for that matter.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Didn't N's President specifically state that there would be no touch screen-like devices on the Revolution?

He also stated that the DS was pure gaming, then he annaunced a movie player for the SP and DS :lol: .

[Neon Sentry]

Sephiroth_VII, you make the best point I've seen yet :lol:

Anyhoo, I must disagree with axia777. While I do find Halo to be better than Metroid Prime, I think the gameplay on a Zelda game is far superior to any GTA game. Now don't get me wrong. While I'm not that big of a GTA fan nowadays, for a while I was hooked. It was new, it great, it was pure fun. But Zelda has something else. Zelda has a palatable universe. Something to it's own, that is unique, and has stood the test of time. GTA and Zelda both have clones, but GTA's advantage is high production values. Zelda's advanatge over it's copies has been it's character

That is far superior to simply "the best bang for your buck" strategy that GTA is wearing thin. However, Nintendo is dropping in it's software library. The originality of a title must be maintained throughout it's lifetime, or it will fail. And Nintendo is losing that

Revolution will not be a revolution. It will not outright fail, but it won't be a winner. It will not break new ground, it will not change people's views, and it most certainly will not win any perceived war. However, I imagine it will be a notable entry in the annals of gaming history. No less... but no more either

[axia777]

Yeah and you lot keep telling yourself that. :lol: Nintendo 3rd Place??? Where are you coming from? You can't say nintendo is 3rd place at all. Yes in europe and America the gamecube is 3rd place. But that's not Nintendo. And also Zelda better than GTA....Hell Yeah!!!! You lot can give but you can't take. And i can prove that 'cuz now your all gonna start flaming me. And if you notice i havn't said one bad thing about Sony or the Playstation for that matter.

I am talking worldwide console/game sales. Yes, Nintendo is third place. I don't know exact figures, but X-Box has out sold Gamecube everywhere but Japan. The US sales for X-Box alone make up for the lose in Japan. Ninty is loseing it. And it is sad....

Sephiroth_VII, you make the best point I've seen yet :lol:

Anyhoo, I must disagree with axia777. While I do find Halo to be better than Metroid Prime, I think the gameplay on a Zelda game is far superior to any GTA game. Now don't get me wrong. While I'm not that big of a GTA fan nowadays, for a while I was hooked. It was new, it great, it was pure fun. But Zelda has something else. Zelda has a palatable universe. Something to it's own, that is unique, and has stood the test of time. GTA and Zelda both have clones, but GTA's advantage is high production values. Zelda's advanatge over it's copies has been it's character

That is far superior to simply "the best bang for your buck" strategy that GTA is wearing thin. However, Nintendo is dropping in it's software library. The originality of a title must be maintained throughout it's lifetime, or it will fail. And Nintendo is losing that

Revolution will not be a revolution. It will not outright fail, but it won't be a winner. It will not break new ground, it will not change people's views, and it most certainly will not win any perceived war. However, I imagine it will be a notable entry in the annals of gaming history. No less... but no more either

I guess what games one ikes is all down to an opinion. The new Zelda the Windwaker is good, I wiil give you that. But all in all it was a disappointment. And it is not because of the graphics either, i liked the cell shaded style of the art. But not since the Ocrina of Time has Zelda really wowed me. Every game since then has been a rehash of Ocrina of Time. The gameplay is the same for the most part with a talking boat and a wind wand tossed in. i liked it, but it was not "great" I am really looking forward to the newer Zelda. I have hope for that game.

As for Revelution I agree that it will not fail. But I am just saying that if Nintendo wants to get back first place in the race it had better wise up about gamers and the games that they want to play. Unfortunatly i do not think that will happen at all....

[Neon Sentry]

It was my understanding that the X-Box was third place everywhere but North America...

[axia777]

I can look up the numbers...

[Neon Sentry]

That would be much appreciated :)

Oh, and I very much like your sig :D

[Fats]

As far as I'm aware Nintendo is in third place in this country. In Belfast it's pretty evident that they are doing awful. My Virgin Megastore has stopped selling them altogether, Game has the most TINY stand for it, as does HMV... Gamespot doesn't seem to be having much luck selling Cubes as well, very tiny shelf space.

It would seem that the Gamecube is dying rather quickly, in this city at least. :?

[Neon Sentry]

Same here everywhere I've seen (California)

GC has never made much of an impact... it just sorta sits there. Nobody even plays it. The only people I know who own and actually play their GameCube don't own anything else... all the people that own any other console send their time playing that instead of the GC

Sad day for Nintendo...

[Mitri]

i think that the revloution will fail. i think that ps3 and xbox2 will destroy it in all sections of everything. even xbox2 will destroy it in rpg's.

lets think about this. seriously.people have lost interest in nintendo. i would be surprised if the revolution sold more than 5million worldwide. even children don't play GC.people will flock to the xbox2 and ps3 for graphical power, online,gamehistory, and third party support.

[axia777]

Here are the most recent number I can find on GameCube sales. I can find nothing official on X-Box sales. It seems that Microsft is pretty tight fisted with actual sales number.

GameCube Hardware (Launch through March 2004)
Japan - 3,460,000 (23.75%)
North America - 7,850,000 (53.88%)
Other - 3,270,000 (22.44%)
Total - 14,570,000

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news/040527e.pdf

It seems like this report says that GameCube and X-Box are pretty much neck in neck. I guess I stand corrected to a point until someone finds real official X-Box sales numbers.

http://news.com.com/Game+console+sales+plunge+in+2004/2100-1043_3-5471617.html

BTW: Thanks Neon Sentry....about my sig... :D

[xbdestroya]

It's rare I come over to the Nintendo side of the forums, but I'm making today a Nintendo day.

First of all people, some facts:

Nintendo is not falling behind and in third, it has fallen behind and is in second. MAYBE XBox has just past it to claim 2nd, but it's not the apocalyptic blowout all the English-speaking sites make it seem to be.

Nintendo made $314 million in pure profit last year, and makes money on everything they sell. If XBox were the #1 console, and was still losing Microsoft billions of dollars, you think that's a winnign business? Listen - as long as Nintendo keeps making mad money, they're not goign anywhere. If they were in 5th place behind N-Gage and were still profitable, they'd still be there doing what they do. Look at Apple - you think it has market share? No.

For comparison, Sony made ~$800 million in profit last year, and that's for ALL it's businesses. So don't knock the Big N. :wink:

[axia777]

It's rare I come over to the Nintendo side of the forums, but I'm making today a Nintendo day.

First of all people, some facts:

Nintendo is not falling behind and in third, it has fallen behind and is in second. MAYBE XBox has just past it to claim 2nd, but it's not the apocalyptic blowout all the English-speaking sites make it seem to be.

Nintendo made $314 million in pure profit last year, and makes money on everything they sell. If XBox were the #1 console, and was still losing Microsoft billions of dollars, you think that's a winnign business? Listen - as long as Nintendo keeps making mad money, they're not goign anywhere. If they were in 5th place behind N-Gage and were still profitable, they'd still be there doing what they do. Look at Apple - you think it has market share? No.

For comparison, Sony made ~$800 million in profit last year, and that's for ALL it's businesses. So don't knock the Big N. :wink:

In terms of pure profits I am tending to agree. Nintendo kicks ass. But in terms of sales they are not making it. But does it matter to them? Is thrird place alright if they make so much cash and Microsoft is loseing so much? I wonder if Revolution will be such a cash cow as Gamecube is now? And now that PSP is such a hit at CES does that have Nintendo a little worried about the handheld market?

[Domination]

It's rare I come over to the Nintendo side of the forums, but I'm making today a Nintendo day.

First of all people, some facts:

Nintendo is not falling behind and in third, it has fallen behind and is in second. MAYBE XBox has just past it to claim 2nd, but it's not the apocalyptic blowout all the English-speaking sites make it seem to be.

Nintendo made $314 million in pure profit last year, and makes money on everything they sell. If XBox were the #1 console, and was still losing Microsoft billions of dollars, you think that's a winnign business? Listen - as long as Nintendo keeps making mad money, they're not goign anywhere. If they were in 5th place behind N-Gage and were still profitable, they'd still be there doing what they do. Look at Apple - you think it has market share? No.

For comparison, Sony made ~$800 million in profit last year, and that's for ALL it's businesses. So don't knock the Big N. :wink:

I hope you were joking about that. Sony made more than that by Columbia Pictures ALONE. :?

This year, Sony broke through the $1 billion domestic barrier earlier than last year thanks in large part to Spider-Man 2, which has grossed $775 million worldwide to date, more than $400 million of that overseas.

Spider-Man 2 opened #1 in the United States and posted #1 openings in each of the 70 markets where it debuted internationally.

This is very old news, BTW.

[xbdestroya]

It's rare I come over to the Nintendo side of the forums, but I'm making today a Nintendo day.

First of all people, some facts:

Nintendo is not falling behind and in third, it has fallen behind and is in second. MAYBE XBox has just past it to claim 2nd, but it's not the apocalyptic blowout all the English-speaking sites make it seem to be.

Nintendo made $314 million in pure profit last year, and makes money on everything they sell. If XBox were the #1 console, and was still losing Microsoft billions of dollars, you think that's a winnign business? Listen - as long as Nintendo keeps making mad money, they're not goign anywhere. If they were in 5th place behind N-Gage and were still profitable, they'd still be there doing what they do. Look at Apple - you think it has market share? No.

For comparison, Sony made ~$800 million in profit last year, and that's for ALL it's businesses. So don't knock the Big N. :wink:

I hope you were joking about that. Sony made more than that by Columbia Pictures ALONE. :?

This year, Sony broke through the $1 billion domestic barrier earlier than last year thanks in large part to Spider-Man 2, which has grossed $775 million worldwide to date, more than $400 million of that overseas.

Spider-Man 2 opened #1 in the United States and posted #1 openings in each of the 70 markets where it debuted internationally.

This is very old news, BTW.

Yeah but Domination, you know that's revenue right? Not profit. Anyway whatever the case, I simply go by their financial statements.

http://www.hoovers.com/sony/--ID__41885--/free-co-fin-factsheet.xhtml

If you scroll down, you'll see that though 2004 revenue is $72 billion, profit is $851 million.

[Domination]

LOL! My mistake. The profit in your previous statement complete blew right over my head. :lol:

[The_One]

Yeah but Domination, you know that's revenue right? Not profit. Anyway whatever the case, I simply go by their financial statements.

http://www.hoovers.com/sony/--ID__41885--/free-co-fin-factsheet.xhtml

If you scroll down, you'll see that though 2004 revenue is $72 billion, profit is $851 million. Wow, some crazy earning there :shock:.

[xbdestroya]

LOL! My mistake. The profit in your previous statement complete blew right over my head. :lol:

LOL, it's all good. :wink: Yeah that kind of revenue would be pathetic! :lol:

I know this whole financial thing has gone kind of off-topic; I was really only trying to make the point that Nintendo may be facing some competition, but they're nowhere NEAR dead.

Just to wrap it up, here's some stats; make what you will of them, and then the discussion can go back to talk about the Revolution - which unfortunately none of us know anything about at this point anyway. :lol:

Anyway:

Nintendo 2004 - $4.67 billion revenue, $314 million profit

Sony 2004 - $72 billion revenue, $851 million profit

Microsoft 2004 - $36.83 billion revenue, $8.17 billion profit

Apple 2004 - $8.28 billion revenue, $276 million profit

I want to make some points here. First off, you see why Sony cares so much about PS2 and PS3; it's where almost ALL the company's profits have come from for the past couple of years. Now that's beginning to turn around for them with their electronics, after a lot of restructuring, and it's true, their movie division is picking up a lot of steam. But PS3 is a monster for them - and Cell especially, since it will go into everything.

It shows why Sony got into the console race in the first place, and why Microsoft desperately wants to make it work for them - video games are a total cash cow. And if you see Microsofts insane profits, you see why they think they can go a generation or two losing billions on the XBox.

I threw Apple in there just to put some perspective on it all. :wink:

[Dralor]

I for one would like to no what they're doing with that $71 billion dollars. That is a whole hell of a lot of money going somewhere. :shock:

[xbdestroya]

Yeah very true $71 (72) billion is definitely a lot! :shock:

For Sony, it's really more to do with being the biggest company of those I listed that makes actual 'things.' (Like tv's and stuff like that) A lot of the money goes to their employess, research and development (stuff like the Cell chip), advanced fabrication plants for stuff like their processors and LCD screens (which you have to pay for YEARS before you'll ever see a profit from it), and just plain old the cost of making those walkmen and stereos and stuff they sell.

A lot of their investments have been to set themselves up for the next couple of years. Things could really start going very very well for Sony in 2006 and beyond if they've made the right bets, that's for sure! The Cell chip alone, even if it totally bombs for PS3, which it won't, would help increase their profits across all their other electronics, which you KNOW is a lot! :wink:

I think obviously the Revolution is going to be pretty important for Nintendo. I honestly have NO idea what they could be planning. The fact that they're talkign about getting into the movie business themselves makes me wonder if they may try to make it more of a multimedia deal, or if they just plan on importing new 'classic' characters into their video games from the movies they make, something they've already discussed. It might be a little too 'Sony-like' to try to so the whole immersive multi-media experience. Still, E3's going to be pretty awesome if both the Revolution and PS3 are shown off there.

[oxygenuk]

we should all be put in a freeze until e3, cant wait for ps3 and rvolution info, really lookin forward to see what N has up their sleeves

[Z]

Keep in mind that although Gamecube is in 3rd place, it did make Ninty some profit- unlike Xbox for MS. Their sales are very close to each other, but Gamecube was cheaper to create than Xbox. Ninty is known to try going the cheapest way. So they in fact did ok with Gamecube, at the most. Believe it or not, I see Ninty has a better chance than MS in the next gen. The have a strong library of games to support them, if they only release sequels and maybe new titles, they will crush Xenon like a bag of chips ..(a bag of chips, get it?). look at DS; technically it’s a joke, yet they passed the 1 million mark in sales only a couple of months from release. Why? Because of their big time titles. I say no mtter how Revolution turns out to be, if they just stopped and made games for a bit, like the old days, they will give Sony a tough time. Ninty (like Sega did) seems to 'forget' they are a game company, and keep focusing on making machines very too often. And that’s the beginning of the end for a game company.

[Rob78]

i'll tell you what Nintendo has to do...take all that "innovation" and shove it up their asses! :lol:

Innovation might make games play better, but people in the current generation the custumers are synical, meaning they wont play a game unless it looks good. if we only cared about gamelplay than I would still be playing a Link to the Past on SNES, that game was fun!

[xbdestroya]

We're not ALL cynical... :wink:

Gimme a round of Mario Party or Super Smash any day to get the madness goin. 8) For large groups, *especially* co-ed, gameplay is the way to go. :wink:

[Domination]

I for one would like to no what they're doing with that $71 billion dollars. That is a whole hell of a lot of money going somewhere. :shock:

That's the difference between a hardware comapny and a software company. The positive side behide that is, in the end, Sony will gain more for a lesser the amount than the others.

[axia777]

LOL! My mistake. The profit in your previous statement complete blew right over my head. :lol:

LOL, it's all good. :wink: Yeah that kind of revenue would be pathetic! :lol:

I know this whole financial thing has gone kind of off-topic; I was really only trying to make the point that Nintendo may be facing some competition, but they're nowhere NEAR dead.

Just to wrap it up, here's some stats; make what you will of them, and then the discussion can go back to talk about the Revolution - which unfortunately none of us know anything about at this point anyway. :lol:

Anyway:

Nintendo 2004 - $4.67 billion revenue, $314 million profit

Sony 2004 - $72 billion revenue, $851 million profit

Microsoft 2004 - $36.83 billion revenue, $8.17 billion profit

Apple 2004 - $8.28 billion revenue, $276 million profit

I want to make some points here. First off, you see why Sony cares so much about PS2 and PS3; it's where almost ALL the company's profits have come from for the past couple of years. Now that's beginning to turn around for them with their electronics, after a lot of restructuring, and it's true, their movie division is picking up a lot of steam. But PS3 is a monster for them - and Cell especially, since it will go into everything.

It shows why Sony got into the console race in the first place, and why Microsoft desperately wants to make it work for them - video games are a total cash cow. And if you see Microsofts insane profits, you see why they think they can go a generation or two losing billions on the XBox.

I threw Apple in there just to put some perspective on it all. :wink:

Where did you find those numbers? I looked for numbers like that for hours and could not find squat. Got a link? I would dearly like to see it...

As for Revolution and Nintendo I think that it will make it because of the extremely loyal fanbase that Nintendo has.

[xbdestroya]

You should be able to find these numbers on any financial news site. The trick is knowing where to search sometimes; not everything is going to pop up on Google! :wink:

Anyway for stuff like this I recommend Hoovers.com

For real-time stock/company info, I recommend cbsmarketwatch.com

For your benefit, I've included the links for all the financial capsules of the above company's over at Hoovers - happy reading!

Sony:
http://www.hoovers.com/sony/--ID__41885--/free-co-fin-factsheet.xhtml

Microsoft:
http://www.hoovers.com/microsoft/--ID__14120--/free-co-fin-factsheet.xhtml

Nintendo:
http://www.hoovers.com/nintendo/--ID__41877--/free-co-fin-factsheet.xhtml

Apple:
http://www.hoovers.com/apple-computer/--ID__12644--/free-co-fin-factsheet.xhtml


PS - some people on this site are programmers/developers; my background is business, if you couldn't tell :wink:

[axia777]

Sweet, thanx man. :D

[Mitri]

The have a strong library of games to support them, if they only release sequels and maybe new titles, they will crush Xenon like a bag of chips ..(a bag of chips, get it?)

i disagree with that. if they only release sequels they wont sell at all. personally i am getting tired of playing the same mario games over and over again with new titles. i think they will bomb if they release sequels. i can see some games sequeled(is that a word :?: ) like super smash, mario kart and metroid but after that their is nothing worth a sequel.

they don't really have a "strong" library of games. they have some games but not many.their working poor Shigeru to the bone and his creativity is being depleted. all they have left is mario. if you do a search on GC titles mario comes up at least 20 times with a different name each time.

look at DS; technically it’s a joke, yet they passed the 1 million mark in sales only a couple of months from release. Why? Because of their big time titles.

the DS is a mass joke compared to anything. they passed the 1mil mark because it was something new. if you look back at any major console/handheld that came out it had mass sales at the beginning because people want anything thats new. in the DS case everyone thought it was the next gameboy. that's why most people bought it. the psp hasn't produced any commercials here so no one knows about it except those of us that care. whenever it comes out you will se record breaking sales from the psp no matter what the DS throws out.

and can you tell me what big titles the DS has right now? i really don't see anything thats good.

[Z]

I am stating that Ninty has VERY strong franchises 'potentially'. If they focused on delivering quality titles, they will be a weight to reckon with. They are currently going the way of Sega.

And about big titles; I don't like Ninty, Disney and such for being extremely childish for me. But disliking something doesn't mean neglecting its financial success. Both of there products sell like pan cakes. Why do you think there are soooo many Mario games? Personally, I would never touch a system with a short fat swelly-nose plumber, ever. I pity the poor kids with families that shove them Disney and Mario stuff. …sniff..sniff

[off topic]
personally I prefere far Eastern media (Japan, Korea, etc.) over Western ones any day. check out Casshern ( my avatar), Versus, both live action movies. and then you have all the anime and manga that Western 'cartoons' and 'comics' can't even begin to compare. but that's just me... :wink:

[Rob78]

Z, I think you wanted to say "They sell like hot cake." Alothough that is true, Nintendo really screewed up in this generation. Mainly because they sold roughly half of the amount of GameCubes as they sold N64s in 2 years(in 1998 Nintendo had sold 26 million N64 units world-wide and in the same amount of time, 2 years, Nintendo only sold 14 million GameCubes.). :lol:

[amod20002004]

Nintendo has sold 14 million gamecube. :? Do you have a proof to support your statement? :?

[Z]

Nintendo has sold 14 million gamecube. :? Do you have a proof to support your statement? :?

Oh yeah, that’s true. Xbox and Gamecube sales are both at 15 million units each. And from an interview with the CEO of Nintendo of America at eurogamer.com, she said Gamecube is 2nd world wide except for America. No official news source disagrees with her.

I don't know exact web pages to give you the numbers, but I do expect financial sites, especially if they are linked with gaming, like gamesindustry.biz can help you out.

I am curious why you ask. you think those numbers are higher or lower than you expect :?:

[amod20002004]

Actually I thought that those numbers are too high to compare its direct sales with xbox. That’s why I asked him. And also I want to show this news on thenextbox.com. That’s why I was asking for proof.

[Z]

Those figures are for sales since launch accumulated.

[Rob78]

Exactly, those numbers can be found on many sites. I just thought it was weird that Nintendo is selling "roughly" half the amount of GameCubes than they did 64s in the same amount of time. Why? :? I know it's not because of the PlayStation 2, because the PS was selling like hot cakes back when the N64 launched, and it still sold.

[Z]

it was weird that Nintendo is selling "roughly" half the amount of GameCubes than they did 64s in the same amount of time. Why? :? I know it's not because of the PlayStation 2, because the PS was selling like hot cakes back when the N64 launched, and it still sold.

Lack of 1st party games, plus giving 3rd party a hard time. The opposite would be Sony's success reasons.

[Rob78]

Nintendo manufactures 69% of the 300 games(which is pathetic) on the GameCube. For the next generation they need to pick up more third-party support, after losing Rare, they are severely hurt. It was a big stab in the back from Rare, but you have to understnd, for that 369 million I'd prance around naked!

[amod20002004]

Lack of 1st party games, plus giving 3rd party a hard time. The opposite would be Sony's success reasons.
Absolutely right. And also What I expect is pure mature titles. I hate childish graphics and childish games. Therefore to impress me they must consider above-mentioned points.

[The_One]

Exactly, those numbers can be found on many sites. I just thought it was weird that Nintendo is selling "roughly" half the amount of GameCubes than they did 64s in the same amount of time. Why? :? I know it's not because of the PlayStation 2, because the PS was selling like hot cakes back when the N64 launched, and it still sold. Maybe most teenage gamers that owned a N64 back then grew up? I don't know, but the majority of the games on the GC looks quite childish...It was a big stab in the back from Rare, but you have to understnd, for that 369 million I'd prance around naked! Not really... considering how Rare, as the name says, rarely released any game anyways :?.

[FerrianX]

While I do agree Nintendo can up it's selected age group, you have to keep in mind they look to services the younger crowd.

It's a highly financially viable market to tap into, and with the way video games are today (violence / blood / mature content / etc) most parents want something alittle less... agressive for their kids.

Plus you can't deny however childish alot of those games are, some of them are still crazy fun to play.

All in all if the Big-N is smart they'll relize that their eggs won't be able to stay in the same basket come next-gen.

[Mitri]

i can understand some childish games but what i don't understand is why they've based that for their whole console. they don't want the childish image but thats what they are giving us.

if you look bck at the days of the snes the most violent game out was mortal kombat(i think) and all the rest were childish games. now if you look at the gc their most violent game is mortal kombat: deadly alliance( i think i can't be too far off) and theirs nothing else.

[Fats]

Resident Evil 4 would also be quite violent, as was Resident Evil 2 and 3 which was re-released on the Gamecube. I understand what you mean though, violent games are few and far between.

[The_One]

i can understand some childish games but what i don't understand is why they've based that for their whole console. they don't want the childish image but thats what they are giving us.

if you look bck at the days of the snes the most violent game out was mortal kombat(i think) and all the rest were childish games. now if you look at the gc their most violent game is mortal kombat: deadly alliance( i think i can't be too far off) and theirs nothing else. There was Killer Instincts... I'd say it's on the same "violence" level as Mortal Kombat back then.

[axia777]

i can understand some childish games but what i don't understand is why they've based that for their whole console. they don't want the childish image but thats what they are giving us.

if you look bck at the days of the snes the most violent game out was mortal kombat(i think) and all the rest were childish games. now if you look at the gc their most violent game is mortal kombat: deadly alliance( i think i can't be too far off) and theirs nothing else. There was Killer Instincts... I'd say it's on the same "violence" level as Mortal Kombat back then.

No way man. Killer Instinct was a kool as game with bad assed combos and gameplay, but as violent as Mortal Kombat? You cou never rip some one's spine out in Killer Instinct. Ripping off body parts is what made Mortal Kombat so famous. Good gameplay made it good. But it ws the most violent game out there back then, besides maybe NARC. Now that was fun! :D

[xbdestroya]

Plus you can't deny however childish alot of those games are, some of them are still crazy fun to play.

I'm with you Ferrian, Nintendo has a bunch of games that flat out rule, 'childish' or not.

[stumblz]

it would help nintendo to fix some major problems that they have. but it seems like they are not just getting the majority of society. kids dont really have money. so they cannot buy systems. older teens and parents that are gamers have money. thats why it is more expected of them to buy more adult orientated consoles. but i would like to see nintendo to beat microsoft. just because it seems m$ is trying to have a monopoly in the gaming business IMO.

[Mitri]

i don't want to see anyone beat out anyone. i love this healthy competition between console makers because its better for the consumer. we get better graphics, better quality, better everything because they are trying to best their competition.

without any of the console makers gaming consoles would go the way of the GBA. it could have been alot better(look at what they pulled out of their ass with the DS)graphic wise and gameplay wise but since they didn't have any competition they stayed put with minimal upgrades, and some quality gameplay.

[megadrive]

Matt from IGNCube on Revolution:


And then there is the great unknown: the Nintendo Revolution. This is the Nintendo-given codename for the successor to GameCube, which is slated for release in 2006; it will go toe-to-toe with Sony's forthcoming PlayStation 3 console. (Incidentally, Microsoft will allegedly launch the follow-up to Xbox sometime this holiday season.) We've read all sorts of mistranslated comments about the machine and we've also spoken with development studios that are only just starting to learn about its technical capabilities. Frankly, there's not much to say, except that it's going to be different from just about anything Nintendo has done before -- so original, in fact, that it may buck the designs of current consoles in favor of a whole new gameplay dynamic. Sounds, uh, revolutionary. I'm still not sure what to think of the machine, and I'm sure most of you feel the same way. But 2005 is a very important year in this regard because in just four months Nintendo will tell us its vision for the console. It could be the greatest thing ever. Or maybe not. But at least we'll finally know. I have to say that as a longtime Nintendo fan, I'm pretty excited.

[Z]

Yeah, like how DS's two screens were innovative, when Ninty itself did it a long time ago. How ironic.

it's going to be different from just about anything Nintendo has done before



What did they do before any way? Nothing. Just re-releasing Mario again and again and again,…
anything would be like nothing they did before.

[megadrive]

now the big buzz word / phase for Revolution is paradigm shift :wink:

http://cube.ign.com/articles/579/579499p1.html?fromint=1

Revolution Update
Nintendo's president says the console will represent a "paradigm shift."
By Matt Casamassina

January 13, 2005 - In an interview with the Kyoto Shimbun today, Nintendo's president Satoru Iwata said that the successor to GameCube, codenamed Revolution, would bring about a "paradigm shift."

Iwata explained that, just as Nintendo did with its recently released DS portable, it wants to create something unique with the new home platform. He indicated once more that Revolution could be a machine targeted specifically at the mainstream audience, saying that if something looks too complicated it could alienate players.

Last May, Nintendo announced that work was well underway on Revolution and that it would be unveiled in some form at the Electronics Entertainment Expo 2005. Very few specifics about the console have been released since, except for a few vague comments by Nintendo executives that it might not use a traditional controller and that it will be able to hook up to a computer monitor as well as a television.

Iwata also told the newspaper that with Revolution Nintendo wanted to create games that would move the industry forward.

[Mitri]

i don't want to sound dumb but what is a "paradigm shift"? :lol:

i swear if this thing isn't SOOOO revolutionary nintentendo should go the way of the honored sega.

[The_One]

i don't want to sound dumb but what is a "paradigm shift"? :lol:
Well, a paradigm usually mean some sort of model or pattern set by someone or a group of people. So, in this case, a "paradigm shift" would indicate or mean a change in the pattern or model set up by Nintendo.

[Mitri]

thanks i appreciate it

[Z]

I know, they will make change the analog with mario's nose and make it light up!

[RolandG]

I just started gaming again (bought a slim PS2 in December), after
a long gaming pause and I will be a happy Gamecube owner come March
(RE4 EU release date).

I really don't understand why everybody is picking at Nintendo. Most
Gamersplay 50 USD for crap games all the time, but they won't consider
paying 99USD to get access to some very great games that are only available
on the Gamecube. Resident Evil 4, Mario 128 (if it comes), Zelda (WW and
new one), Pikmin 2, Metroid Prime.

The Gamecube has some very highcaliber games that I simply can't pass
on.

I also think it's a bit childish to reduce the Gamecube to a kiddy console.
I'd rather play a "childish" game that is set in the lovely Nintendo Universe,
than play one of those action games that are marketed at 14 year olds that
blasts some lame new metal music at you all the time.

I still remember how absolutly stunned I was after I first played Mario 64.
It's still the best platformer out there in my opinion, because it really
managed to make you feel a part of the world and you really got a good
sense of space... it's just amazing.

I'll buy their Revolution for sure, even if it isn't going to be what they are
claiming (they can't possible have something that great up their sleeves).

Everybody is also talking about how they shouldn't have ended their
connection with Rare, when the director of Perfect Dark and Goldeneye
isn't even there anymore, but founded his own studio which looks likly to
become a 2nd party developer for Nintendo
(Zoonami http://www.zoonami.com/).

Nintendo puts their money where the talend is and Rare didn't really shine
in that department very much since Perfect Dark.


Again... if you call yourself a gamer, but won't shell out 99 dollars for a
gamecube to play RE4, Metroid, Pikmin, Zelda, Mario and so one and give
your money to one of the companies that are so essential to Gaming in
General, how on earth can you call yourself a gamer. :roll:

People are really underestimating Nintendo. The PSP is of course a nice
system, but the DS is fun and something new and did you ever think
about how much Nintendo is going to own at E3?

Sony will have the PS3 :lol: with some fascinating tech demos. Microsoft
will have the Xbox two with some amazing graphics as well.

Nintendo will have some cool first party DS titles. They will have a playable
build of the new Zelda which I guess will amaze everybody and they will
show of Mario 128 for the first time and present Revolution!

[The_One]

Again... if you call yourself a gamer, but won't shell out 99 dollars for a
gamecube to play RE4, Metroid, Pikmin, Zelda, Mario and so one and give
your money to one of the companies that are so essential to Gaming in
General, how on earth can you call yourself a gamer. Quite frankly, being as tight pocketed as I am, I don't have 99 bucks to spend on a new console, than another 60 per game. Besides, RE 4 is coming to PS2 (not that I'm a big fan of RE). Also, I don't plan on getting too many games this year, and definately none that Nintendo is putting out (sorry, just isn't my style to play games that constantly forces you to back track -- Talking about Metroid here). Online is a big thing for me (I just can't stand playing against stupid bots all the time, or constantly playing the same bland and boring mission over and over again on different diffculty settings), and unfortunately, since Big N isn't supporting online -- yet -- I'm not interested in getting their console either.

I definately don't consider the GC as a "kiddy" console. I see them all as the same, but the games is what turns me off. I don't know, but I'm kind of weird, and doesn't seem to appreciate games that others appreciate all so much (A good example is my dislike for Zelda, my dislike for Onimusha and Devil May Cry [heck, unless you're insane like me, you gotta love those two games], and most of all, my hatred for GTA :twisted:). Of course there are some good games (in others opinion), but just because I don't like them and thus are unwilling to shell out 99 bucks for a console that I don't consider kiddish does not make me "not a gamer".

[GodMachine_Iridius_Dio]

Note: If anybody here thinks they're hard-core, read on.

Resident Evil 4 on the Cube is friggin awsome!! That's my professional assesment. Graphics go from "pretty" to best stuff on any console to date in some spots. Well, as I said.. hard-core. I started playing it, and continued playing it for another 20 hours.. without food, drink, or sleep. Incredible, but frikkin stupidly hard in spots. The previous statements shoud attest to it's greatness.

Later

Iridius Dio

[RolandG]

well if you don't have the money and really can't stand those games, then
you're excused :).

I am just bothered with those people who spend 60 USD on bad games all
the time but won't buy a cheap GC and get some resfreshingly different
gameplay + some exclusive titles.

Games of an caliber ala RE4 don't come out every 3 months, such high-
quality games aren't released very often. I simply can't pass up on a
milestone game (which it looks like from what I've seen).

[Z]

First off, would you kindly use normal font size? You are giving us headaches.

Your opinion on Ninty are, of course, valid. It is your choice. We make fun somethime for laughs, and there not all on Ninty. ;)

Again... if you call yourself a gamer, but won't shell out 99 dollars for a
gamecube to play RE4, Metroid, Pikmin, Zelda, Mario and so one and give
your money to one of the companies that are so essential to Gaming in
General, how on earth can you call yourself a gamer.


How much you spend has nothing to do with being a gamer. Your feel for games, your passion, if you will, is what counts. You could own every system with every game out there, or you can still be playing Atari 2600. that is not the point.

I also think it's a bit childish to reduce the Gamecube to a kiddy console.
I'd rather play a "childish" game that is set in the lovely Nintendo Universe


you actually contradict your self there. And again, you choose to play kiddy games- or should I say 'fun' games- and I choose to play games that are not called 'fun', but called 'awesome'.

But alas! It all comes down to good ol' preference

[RichardCypher101]

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