oh my god no video out put its official, this sucks

[samar7]

there gunna be no video out put in the psp now which sucks.

It was also mentioned that the PSP will not have video out capabilities (originally part of the PSP specs in 2003, but not mentioned when the system was fully unveiled at E3 this year), which sort of puts a damper on the idea of buying UMD format movies, as they'll only be viewable on the PSP's 4" screen.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/544/544124p1.html

what do you all think

[gamingmonkey2004]

uhh...whats the point of it being portable if you are teathered to a 36" TV?
SONY most likly has a UMD player in development so it will be in household use like a DVD player but still i was planning to use my PSP movies on the go not teathered on my TV i mean if i wanted to see the movie at home then ill rent it on DVD and watch it on my DVD player or my PS2 if i really wanted
so yea i dont mind this. but that is a nice article though NICE FIND!

[samar7]

i know what your sayin but even still it is handy to have it and i know what your sayin bout it bein a portable system n all but still differnet people like to do differnt things ie people may want to play the even the games on the tv when there in the house. just think that maybe people would actually use this feature.

[gamingmonkey2004]

maybe if you connect it to your PS2 it will be like playing a PS2 game. kinda like that attachment that GC has for GBA where you and put the cartridges in. but i can understand what you mean. cause sometimes you want to get the big screen and play the game or w/e. yea so i understand that not everyone is like me...eventhough they should nah im jsut kidding

[samar7]

im still gunna buy it though theres not stoping me about that first day it s out ill be queing outside Game to get my preorder sony psp with hopefull pes 4

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea just cause of that little thing idont think that should stop someone from getting a PSP cause im pretty sure there will be an attachment so you can..you know SONY needs to milk it as much as possible. so there could be something in PS3 or 2 so you can play the PSP games

[samar7]

that is a good idea gamingmonkey2004 being able to connect it to the ps2. i think ive read it some where that they are gunna do this

[gamingmonkey2004]

well i know for certain that the PSP connects to PS2s Computers and other PSPs. it goes to the PS2 with USB Computer with WiFi or USB then other PSPs IR i think...not quite sure on how they connect to each other. but yea the PSP does connect to the PS2 and im certain Sony will put in a USB port on the PS3 so PSP can connect to that also

[samar7]

cool.... im satisfied enough lol

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea the connectivity was some of the first stuff they released here i got an image ill give to you ill edit it in when i find it
EDIT: i didnt find the good one with pictures but i guess this will do until someone finds the good one or i do
http://image.lik-sang.com/content/psp/psp10.jpg

[samar7]

ok kool

[gamingmonkey2004]

ok i got it up now

[PsP_will_rock]

psp would suck on a tv

mainly because of the gfx (well ALL cuz of the gfx)
if you dont understand go on the net and find a good quality small .bmp and make it 5x or more bigger in paint

[PseudoChron]

The graphics would be better than a GameBoy Advance game connected to a GameCube.

[Gegenki]

psp would suck on a tv

mainly because of the gfx (well ALL cuz of the gfx)
if you dont understand go on the net and find a good quality small .bmp and make it 5x or more bigger in paint

Maybe, but what about other consoles. They adjust to the screen. How many lines will PSP have? My TV has 600 something lines and the gfx look just the same on any other TV I play it on. If the PSP has 600 somethin little lines in the screen, the conversion to the TV shouldn't take any effect on it.

I think its 625 NTSC - somethin like that

[gamingmonkey2004]

psp would suck on a tv

mainly because of the gfx (well ALL cuz of the gfx)
if you dont understand go on the net and find a good quality small .bmp and make it 5x or more bigger in paint

and just cause you dont like it on the TV blown up doesnt mean other people dont..presonaliy i dont like it either but there is other people that like it big

[freak outcast]

the only thing i would have used this feature for is movies. so i could buy the umd ver and still watch it on my tv. So i don't need to buy a dvd and a umd of the same movie..

[gamingmonkey2004]

true...and movies like advent children...you cant get that on DVD

[RC Cola]

Um...AFAIK, Advent Children WILL be on DVD. In fact, I think it could be out sooner on that than it will be on UMD possibly, considering when the PSP will come out and the fact that they will have an exibit of AC already at TGS.

[gamingmonkey2004]

well unless is was changed...but at E3 Advent Children was a PSP exclusive. so if they changed it since then ok..but i didnt hear nothing about it can you get a article that says it will be on DVD?

[RC Cola]

Well, just about everywhere I can find info on AC has it as a DVD. Let's check out the official site's address:

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dvd/ff7ac/

Hmm...it has DVD in the name.

Plus, from Advent Children.net (http://www.adventchildren.net/ff7ac/movie/about.htm)

The movie will run for somewhere between 70 and 80 minutes and will be released on DVD and UMD [for the Sony PSP]. It will feature a total of 20 characters, including the popular Cloud and Sephiroth, and is being developed by Square-Enix in conjunction with Visual Works.


And if you need any more, just look for "Final Fantasy Advent Children DVD" in google, and I'm sure you can find some more. I don't even think it has changed either. From as far back as I can remember, AC was supposed to be available on DVD and UMD. If it was only on UMD, that would be a pretty stupid move, IMO, especially since they'd be putting a lot of trust in Sony. Had Sony delayed the PSP big time, they'd have to wait to release their movie, angering more fans. They also wouldn't want to put a movie, which they worked very hard on, on something like the PSP and UMD, which may not do that well. (although I hope it does) By putting it on UMD and DVD they get more exposure, basically.

[gamingmonkey2004]

im not beliving nothing untill you can translate jap for me. because in E3 FF7AC was a PSP exclusive

[RC Cola]

I can't believe this. The freakin site had DVD in the address! I don't think it stands for anything else. Plus, other reliable sites for info also say it will be on DVD. Just look it up!

I can't remember the article or whatever that had FF7AC at E3 being a PSP exclusive. Could you give it? I'd like to read it from the article to try and understand it saying it is an exclusive.

edit:Ok, in a short amount of time searching, I found an "interesting" picture:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20040512/psp115.jpg

There are countless other places to find info of AC being on DVD, but I guess this picture says a thousand words..or something. Looks like it will be on DVD/UMD to me.

[Stinkin Mushroom]

Yeah his right, FF7 AC will come out in UMD and DVD but I guess that Sony will put it on UMD first s that every freakin jap buys a PSP to see it , then after a month it's gonna come out in DVD :lol: Marketing rulez

[jaxmkii]

uhh...whats the point of it being portable if you are teathered to a 36" TV? hey sony dint put wheels on the 65" KP-65WV700 for nothin... jk :lol:

[gamingmonkey2004]

I can't believe this. The freakin site had DVD in the address! I don't think it stands for anything else. Plus, other reliable sites for info also say it will be on DVD. Just look it up!

I can't remember the article or whatever that had FF7AC at E3 being a PSP exclusive. Could you give it? I'd like to read it from the article to try and understand it saying it is an exclusive.

edit:Ok, in a short amount of time searching, I found an "interesting" picture:

There are countless other places to find info of AC being on DVD, but I guess this picture says a thousand words..or something. Looks like it will be on DVD/UMD to me.

ok i believe you now..i was just going on the info i have heard before

[limbfilter]

I can't believe this. The freakin site had DVD in the address! I don't think it stands for anything else. Plus, other reliable sites for info also say it will be on DVD. Just look it up!

I can't remember the article or whatever that had FF7AC at E3 being a PSP exclusive. Could you give it? I'd like to read it from the article to try and understand it saying it is an exclusive.

edit:Ok, in a short amount of time searching, I found an "interesting" picture:

There are countless other places to find info of AC being on DVD, but I guess this picture says a thousand words..or something. Looks like it will be on DVD/UMD to me.

ok i believe you now..i was just going on the info i have heard before
Don't buy it dude! That image is clearly the work of photoshop!
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LOL! :wink:

[gamingmonkey2004]

ha...ha...ha...ha very funny

[alternate_ending]

I am so sick of people saying that outputting the PSP to a tv would look as if you had taken a picture and zoomed in 5 times. Check out almost any digital camera. It outputs what ever was gonna be on the LCD to a tv, and it looks brilliant. Far better than on the shitty little LCD.
Its even similar to taking a PS2 and playing a game on a bigger TV than usual. It looks better, not worse

[Ferrismc]

this really sucks. Thank you oster , i now know not to buy a PSP. More the Nintendo DS.

[gamingmonkey2004]

wtf? your not going to buy a PSP :evil: anyway why not...you want to play the PSP on your TV? i mean you could possibly hook up the PSP to your PS2 if ya got one and play it that way..maybe

[vulcan4d]

No video out, I'm not suprised. The PSP is a marvel of mobile technology, far beyond anything we currently have. Clearly, releasing latest technology in a small package equals to a high price. With all the crybabies whining lately, it's no suprise non-required features like video out will be removed to lower costs.

Sony is trying to release an all-in-one package, and one would except to pay more for all the nice extra features you get, but some people just don't get it. Price doesn't matter, it's a one time investment that will bring years of entertainment. The better the foundation, the better the house will be ^^. It's the price of games that matter, and with all the whining on hardware price, you people allowed both Sony and Nintendo to slip away with sticking a high price on their handheld games! Companies love dumb consumers, and you fell right into their little game. Open your eyes and see the world for what it is, that's my advice =).

[gamingmonkey2004]

but people want more and more which makes the price in turn higher and higher

[Xerxes]

Um..............the nintendo DS does not have a AV output also why get DS anyway if you care about hooking it up to a TV. Hello! It is a Portable. It has portable in his name! If everybody just wanted crap hooked up to a tv they would'nt have Portable DVD's and TV's and Portable CD players!!!
DS......Im not going to go there.
Now the PSP is a gaming machine and if it dosent hook up to the TV! Oh well Im still going to get it because its PORTABLE!
DS...well its a waste of time. :D

PS:also the PSP will LOOK better on the handheld than the TV because LCD makes pictures look sharper! :wink: You should just use your PS2 if you want to play on the TV.....

[jaxmkii]

No video out, I'm not suprised. The PSP is a marvel of mobile technology, far beyond anything we currently have. Clearly, releasing latest technology in a small package equals to a high price. With all the crybabies whining lately, it's no suprise non-required features like video out will be removed to lower costs.

Sony is trying to release an all-in-one package, and one would except to pay more for all the nice extra features you get, but some people just don't get it. Price doesn't matter, it's a one time investment that will bring years of entertainment. The better the foundation, the better the house will be ^^. It's the price of games that matter, and with all the whining on hardware price, you people allowed both Sony and Nintendo to slip away with sticking a high price on their handheld games! Companies love dumb consumers, and you fell right into their little game. Open your eyes and see the world for what it is, that's my advice =). yea realy dose anyone every say now "gee i sure am happy sony dint put more ram in the PS2 wow that would of made it cost more!" no we all know its downfall and i dont know about anyone else but i would of GLADLY payed $500usd for my PS2 when it came out! and sony could of X8 the ram

[alternate_ending]

PS:also the PSP will LOOK better on the handheld than the TV because LCD makes pictures look sharper! :wink: You should just use your PS2 if you want to play on the TV.....

Think about it for a second. Wait, don't even think about it, just go grab the nearest camera with AV output and take a look at it on a tv. There is no comparision to the quality. The PSP's graphics will be similar to the PS2's. Imagine how much of the action you'd be missing out on if you were playing you're PS2 on a 4" screen.

I'm all for the portable gaming experience, but the AV output would have been an awesome thing to have. To be able to get home, park it on the couch and play your PSP in glorious 72cm widescreen with 7.1 Surround Sound, now that would be awesome

[gamingmonkey2004]

....why? do you people forget the PSP can hook up to the PS2 there has to be a reason...anyway. just because it doesnt have AV hookups and what not doesnt mean it horrible its just helping decrease the price..later they might come out with an attachment so you can do that

[NickSCFC]

It connects to PS2 for data transfer.

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea i know but what about the no ports of games? GT4 and the Street games are the only ones i know of so far that are the same that could support this

[NickSCFC]

Well every EA game will be ported along with:

Formula One 05
World Rally Championship 05
NBA Shootout 2005
NHL Faceoff 2005
World Tour Soccer 2005/This is Football 2005
Puyo Pop Fever
Pro Evolution Soccer 4/Winning Eleven 8
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater Underground 2
Amoured Core: Formula Front

[gamingmonkey2004]

ok...well there still could be an attachment to the PS2 so you can play your PSP games on it

[NickSCFC]

No, there won't.

[gamingmonkey2004]

do you work at sony..no. so there could be one

[NickSCFC]

It's impossible, it's like expecting PlayStation 2 to play Xbox games. In any case, PSP's games were designed for portable use.

[gamingmonkey2004]

i know i wouldnt want to anyway but there is some people that want them...plus what about GBA games on a GC? ones a cartridge ones a mini disc and the GC plays them why cant the PS2? maybe the PS3 can..

hey look a loading bar under the new "insider"

[NickSCFC]

PSP is alot more powerful than GBA for a start.

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea and the PS2 is much better then GC..your point is?

[NickSCFC]

Even though Gamecube has higher specs? Before you start, I'm not even going to bother arguing with someone who can't even grasp simple English.

[gamingmonkey2004]

what because you only have your opinion to go against me? im just saying there is a possiblity and your saying there isnt a possible way SONY would do it. just because the specs are better doenst mean the system is. ive seen multi-platform games and gamecube is at the bottom graphics wise and PS2 is in the middle just below XBOX

o and tell me whats wrong with my english am i not drinking enough tea for you?

[Rallyracr420]

The Gamegear had TV out and it worked fine. Granted you're not going to get the same quality resolution as you would on a system that's made for TV, but this shouldn't stop you from being able to enjoy it on TV. Gamegear is old technology and it still looks decent for a 2D system. Hell, the Gamegear even had a port on it for an extra controller so you could play two players on a TV, or have one player look at the TV and one watches the Gamegear screen.

I wish the PSP would have a video out, and if not built in, maybe as an addon for the USB port.

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea or go through the PS2(or PS3) like the GC and GBA..but almighty Nick says no and when he says no he is ALWAYS right...may i not bring up the metal trim around the PSP? i mean i said it did..but Nick said no and of course even though it looks like there is a metal trim its not its your imagination rallyracr420

http://www.pspinsider.com/screens/album03/abs.jpg

[kevindenoyette]

what because you only have your opinion to go against me? im just saying there is a possiblity and your saying there isnt a possible way SONY would do it. just because the specs are better doenst mean the system is. ive seen multi-platform games and gamecube is at the bottom graphics wise and PS2 is in the middle just below XBOX

o and tell me whats wrong with my english am i not drinking enough tea for you?



yeah. first off, if you're gonna argue, stick to specifications and cold facts, not "better" this or "looks nicer" that. facts. ps2 gets dwarfed by the GC qua graphics. Well, dwarfed is a parabole.

[gamingmonkey2004]

just because the box is bigger doesnt mean you can fill it.
thats an example that suits this right now

[Xerxes]

PS:also the PSP will LOOK better on the handheld than the TV because LCD makes pictures look sharper! :wink: You should just use your PS2 if you want to play on the TV.....

Think about it for a second. Wait, don't even think about it, just go grab the nearest camera with AV output and take a look at it on a tv. There is no comparision to the quality. The PSP's graphics will be similar to the PS2's. Imagine how much of the action you'd be missing out on if you were playing you're PS2 on a 4" screen.

I'm all for the portable gaming experience, but the AV output would have been an awesome thing to have. To be able to get home, park it on the couch and play your PSP in glorious 72cm widescreen with 7.1 Surround Sound, now that would be awesome


Ok thats a camera. This is the PSP. Can we stay on subject please? Dont compare two things that are totally different. Compare a Camera with a camera. Cameras use still photos. Now were talking about the PSP which uses movement of their pixels. Also I have a 4.5 inch portable TV and I hooked the PS2 in it and it still shows the same to me I wasnt missing any action at all. It was just smaller. Wow! So what! There is no comparison but just like I said, leave the portables in their own environment not as a conosle. Many people who buy portables buy them because they can take them anywhere and you are not stuck to a console and can't move freely. :wink:

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea i know but for the blind people...but still other people do like it on the big screen at times...even though i dont and want it to fill the portable part of its name and everything

[PsP_will_rock]

id want the gba gc stule thing that you plug ur psp into ur ps2's usb port and play (note id also have it pluged into wall(psp) so that i wouldnt waste battrys)when at home and then just unplug cord when i leave so i can play and use psp as a 'Portable System'

[gamingmonkey2004]

or use it like the GBA and use it like a contoller to unlock specails and stuff like in animal crossing you can go to that specail island with this GBA

[draco04]

This thread has changed around so many times it's not even funny about erlier i agree with gaming monkey ...that was a stupid arguement with a simple anser....and about now i still agree with gaming monkey i think you could use it to unlock things on some gaming that will be specaly made for it.

[draco04]

This thread has changed around so many times it's not even funny about erlier i agree with gaming monkey ...that was a stupid arguement with a simple anser....and about now i still agree with gaming monkey i think you could use it to unlock things on some gaming that will be specaly made for it.

[draco04]

This thread has changed around so many times it's not even funny about erlier i agree with gaming monkey ...that was a stupid arguement with a simple anser....and about now i still agree with gaming monkey i think you could use it to unlock things on some gaming that will be specaly made for it.

[gamingmonkey2004]

uhhh....matt? can we get some help? im having the same problem. when i post i get three posts of the same thing that pops up. and it seems its not just me..uhh so yea we need some help someone. i think it might be the work on the site that is causing this

[Xerxes]

gamingmonkey2004 wrote:

"or use it like the GBA and use it like a contoller to unlock specails and stuff like in animal crossing you can go to that specail island with this GBA''


Well It probraly can.
The PSP has a USB connector just like the PS2 so.....I guess that they might take advantage of that and share files and unlock secret levels and stuff like that.
But you don't need a AV to do that....right? :? It'll just make the PSP cost more. :D

[Gegenki]

PS:also the PSP will LOOK better on the handheld than the TV because LCD makes pictures look sharper! :wink: You should just use your PS2 if you want to play on the TV.....

Think about it for a second. Wait, don't even think about it, just go grab the nearest camera with AV output and take a look at it on a tv. There is no comparision to the quality. The PSP's graphics will be similar to the PS2's. Imagine how much of the action you'd be missing out on if you were playing you're PS2 on a 4" screen.

I'm all for the portable gaming experience, but the AV output would have been an awesome thing to have. To be able to get home, park it on the couch and play your PSP in glorious 72cm widescreen with 7.1 Surround Sound, now that would be awesome

I tired to post this yesterday. So long as both screens have the same number of lines it makes no difference and since PSP can play movies it has to have the same number of lines on the screen as a television

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea thats been said...tisk tisk alternate
anyway no you dont need AV out to connect to the PS2 and unlock secrets and junk...i dont remeber what i was thinking but it was somewhere on the lines of connecting the PSP to PS2

[alternate_ending]

I dunno what the hell's goin on, my posts aren't goin through.

[alternate_ending]

But different TVs have the same amount of lines, and i know that i would definately rather watch a dvd on an 80cm screen than a 34cm.

[gamingmonkey2004]

even though i like monkeys you dont need to double post...especially something as stupid as "i dont know where my posts are going" cause how am i suppose to know...and why do you have to ask me or anyone.

but the thing is he didnt say how many lines are there or what your preference was. if the tv and PPS has hte smae amount of lines there wouldnt be any type of expanding or distortion

[alternate_ending]

The double post was an accident, the first one was to test it cuz i wrote 3 replies and they all screwed up. and i know i should have edited it to make it my reply, but i was tired.
Oh, and Gegenki did say the thing about the lines. I was responding to that. I don't know anyone that doesn't prefer a larger tv, i can't imagine why you wouldn't. I would much rather have the option play my PSP on a large screen with 7.1 surround sound.
I'm really not quite sure what you were trying to say in your last sentence, could you maybe re-phrase it?

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea for some reason my last sentance was all screwed up i dunno there was so many misspells and stuff..crazy.

anyway what i said was like sort of repeating what Genkai said.
it the PSP and the TV have the same amount of lines it wouldnt have any distortion. But it really doesnt matter because there is no Video Out on the PSP so this discussion/argument is stupid

[UltimaWeapon]

uhh...whats the point of it being portable if you are teathered to a 36" TV?

Nice.

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea thanks i like being blunt.

[Gegenki]

Well one day, someone will create the portable 36" - It will be flat panel and have a handle on top.
Hopefully, the connectivity with PS2 will allow for screen play. Maybe a firmware update migh come on CD with the PSP.

[gamingmonkey2004]

Well one day, someone will create the portable 36" - It will be flat panel and have a handle on top.
Hopefully, the connectivity with PS2 will allow for screen play. Maybe a firmware update migh come on CD with the PSP.

first sentence: yea what Xbox Portable?

the rest: it would be nice if it could cause i mean the PS2 could download some update or something and put it on the Hard Drive and what not.

[munza]

It seems people think that the resolution of the screen on the psp would affect the output (if it was available) on to a TV.
The Screen can handle a maximum quality of 480 x 272 pixels.
The actual video signal sent to the screen may actually be higher. Why you say? Sending a higher signal then the screen can display will actually help to smooth out the image and reduce the effects of poor antialiasing.

For example: Taking a photo with a low quality digital camera (2 - 3 Megapixels) and looking at it on the cameras LCD screen, the shot will look really quite nice, and when you output it to a TV, you will still get a really good picture and you will indeed see more quality. The cameras screen would not be able to show all the detail of the photo taken but it's still there as may be the case with the PSP.

If you have ever created VCD's or SVCD's for output onto tv and you would know that 384x288 or 352x288 will still give you good viewing. The only things that falls back here is image compression which Mpeg4 would have dealt with once and for all.

I am really sad to hear that the will be no Video Out on PSP. On thing I will be buying is Advent Children and If it could output to TV then I could have a group of friends over and we could all choose how to interact with it. Also if you find some cool video on the net you could convert it to play on PSP, wack it on a Memory stick and plug it into your psp and show a group of friends on a TV or even a projector. Having 10 people crowd around behind you because they want to see what your looking at can be quite annoying.

I'm sure there will be a way in the future to plug in a USB device to output the video to a TV or projector or even a computer monitor. I would like to be able to access my computer network via Wifi and access my video and images archive and display it on a TV.

It's not just a gaming device but an entertainment system.

[alternate_ending]

Yeah, thats what i've been saying the whole time, but apparantly the camera screen idea "is a useless comparison" because of the differences between a camera and a mobile gaming system.
Its the same thing damnit!
The only difference that i can think of is the texture compression, and whether or not the textures would turn out well on a large screen.

But it is nothing like taking a low quality picture and stretching it to 10x!!!

Pfft

[gamingmonkey2004]

but you see...THERE IS NO AV OUT!!
come on guys we know the reason there isnt a AV out is because of piracy reasons and we all know how SONY is about that

[Xerxes]

That's why Sony dosent want that. You can "Bootleg" or steal the video content very easily with a AV connector. Its like taking candy from a baby. :lol:
But anyway, If you only want to watch advent children alone you should get it on UMD. If you want to "invite friends over" then you should buy it on DVD :wink:

I don't really care about having an AV connector because if I wanted to play a game on PSP ill do it on the original console. I would'nt want "to be teathered to a 36 inch" anyway :D
If I wanted to play PSP games on tv i would of just buy games for the PS2. Yes it would be fun to jack up the price higher by having it on the PSP rasing the amout 20$ more because you can "Bootleg" easier, but I want the PSP for less than the amount it would be. :D

What do you think? :?

[munza]

Gaming Monkey is right that there is no AV out so why bother debating about the subject but then again that's why the forum is here.

As far as using the psp to copy video from is concerned. I don't really see the problem. Any video worthwhile copying will most likely be available on DVD and therefore easily ripped anyway. Copying game play would be a nice feature but I would probably not use it much if at all. They can always put some type of macrovision protection on the video out anyway, yes I do know you can get around this. Anyway, with UMD's also being used to store movies it makes me wonder how many people would by these if only one person can watch them at a time, you know what I mean (well maybe two). For UMD movies to really sell I would think that sony would have to make some way to output to a TV. Which brings me to my next point...

Copying video aside I can understand their being a cost factor involved with including video out on the unit as standard and I now believe Sony is wise not to include av-out. Just like the reason for them not including a Hard-drive in PS3. If they will initially loose money on the PSP then it's better (for them, not us) to take off those added features which, not everyone will use. Selling them as an add-on will generate Sony a profit and not an added loss. They can easily add this feature on later and we can then watch UMD movies with our friends and if we really want, play games on a TV. For the people that wouldn't use this feature then they save money on the device.

Make sense?

[alternate_ending]

But as something that was said to be the next walkman, a multimedia device for all ages, the AV output is a big factor to lose.

I was really looking forward to having it.

[kevindenoyette]

Yeah, I really wanted AV out as well. Shame they're not gonna put it it.

[gamingmonkey2004]

Gaming Monkey is right that there is no AV out so why bother debating about the subject but then again that's why the forum is here.

As far as using the psp to copy video from is concerned. I don't really see the problem. Any video worthwhile copying will most likely be available on DVD and therefore easily ripped anyway.....blah blah..blah...blah blah...
Make sense?

i think they are more concered for the games being ripped then the movies..they are not really getting much money from just hte movies.

[munza]

Gaming Monkey is right that there is no AV out so why bother debating about the subject but then again that's why the forum is here.

As far as using the psp to copy video from is concerned. I don't really see the problem. Any video worthwhile copying will most likely be available on DVD and therefore easily ripped anyway.....blah blah..blah...blah blah...
Make sense?

i think they are more concered for the games being ripped then the movies..they are not really getting much money from just hte movies.

Sorry Gaming Monkey I may be missing something here. :? I don't understand how the games can be ripped through a video-out port. It just outputs video and audio right? :idea: Saying that, the PSP can be connected directly to a PC through USB or even Wifi. They proabably will prevent access to the UMD disk, but hackers could possibly access it directly from the PC to copy and create emulators for it. This is going into a different topic and probably show be directed into a different discussion form..... So Anyway,

Just curious as to how people will rip the game through an AV point?

[gamingmonkey2004]

i dont know! im just relaying what i heard from SONY...they said they didnt want to use a AV out because it could possibly lead to piracy. You could record the game or something on a DVD i dunno im not a hacker or anything like that but im pretty sure SONY knows what they are talking about...plus its fine with me because it saves on price and maybe weight..as if that will be a factor anyway

[PseudoChron]

I agree with munza, the only thing you can copy using AV out is audio and video. You could copy footage of the gameplay, but not the information required for someone else to play the game. And since any video released on UMD is probably also going to be on DVD, removing AV out for copy protection doesn't make much sense.

[gamingmonkey2004]

like i said i dont know im just saying what i got from SONY

[kevindenoyette]

I agree with munza, the only thing you can copy using AV out is audio and video. You could copy footage of the gameplay, but not the information required for someone else to play the game. And since any video released on UMD is probably also going to be on DVD, removing AV out for copy protection doesn't make much sense.

what are you on about? surely you could put out the AV to your telly and then make a vhs tape of it all. My television has a built in VCR so i guess i could make copies of every movie i get on psp. Or am I wrong?

[alternate_ending]

....
to output the AV to your telly would require a AV output.
WHICH THE PSP DOESN'T HAVE!!!
sorry, maybe you missed the title of the thread :lol:

And there is no way in the legions of hell that code for a game can be stolen and ripped from an AV output. Sony would have been talking about movies, possibly specifically UMD-only movies.

I don't think sony should be this worried about piracy though, i mean, even if someone gets the game onto their pc by cracking the USB, they still can't make copies that are playable on the PSP. If a game took up the entire 1.8G of the UMD, you'd need more than 3 of the highest capacity Mem stick Duo Pro's, and the game would have to be altered to compensate for this. Not a feasible option, i'd say!

[kevindenoyette]

It was just hypothetically. IF it had an AV output, you could copy UMDS onto VHS tapes, so therefore it does make sense for sony not to include AV output.

[alternate_ending]

yes, hypothetically. Although i don't know why you'd put it on VHS, what with this world of DVD recorders that we live in.... I can't stand watching VHS these days.

[gamingmonkey2004]

I agree with munza, the only thing you can copy using AV out is audio and video. You could copy footage of the gameplay, but not the information required for someone else to play the game. And since any video released on UMD is probably also going to be on DVD, removing AV out for copy protection doesn't make much sense.

what are you on about? surely you could put out the AV to your telly and then make a vhs tape of it all. My television has a built in VCR so i guess i could make copies of every movie i get on psp. Or am I wrong?

thank you kevin i guess he only belives you

[limbfilter]

i mean, even if someone gets the game onto their pc by cracking the USB, they still can't make copies that are playable on the PSP. If a game took up the entire 1.8G of the UMD, you'd need more than 3 of the highest capacity Mem stick Duo Pro's, and the game would have to be altered to compensate for this. Not a feasible option, i'd say!
Not yet is better to say...Do not underestimate the power of the scene....You have no idea what will be possible.

[PseudoChron]

what are you on about? surely you could put out the AV to your telly and then make a vhs tape of it all. My television has a built in VCR so i guess i could make copies of every movie i get on psp. Or am I wrong?
Yes, if the PSP had AV out, you could make a copy of a video UMD. But that video was probably also released on DVD, which would be just as easy (or easier) to copy. So the reason that Sony got rid of AV out probably has nothing to do with copy protection. The main purpose of the PSP will be games, and those cannot be copied using AV out.

[kevindenoyette]

So you're saying that, just because one format is easy to pirate, SONY should just abandon all hope of protecting their other formats from piracy? Nah man, of course sony wants to restrict any form of piracy.

[gamingmonkey2004]

yes, especially how anal SONY is about piracy

[alternate_ending]

limbfilter, i'm just saying that where i am (australia) i highly doubt i will be playing any pirated PSP games. I think SONY are stupid to not include AV, that was one of the features that made it REALLY impressive IMO.

[gamingmonkey2004]

whats impressive about it? im a pretty sure that eventually Sony will make something to play UMDs on the PS2 or maybe the PS3

[alternate_ending]

Yeah, but to be able to come home crash on the couch, chuck your PSP in a AV cradle and play a game or watch Advent Children in big-ass size and 7.1 surround sound would be awesome.

[gamingmonkey2004]

yea but i think RC cola said that it will be on DVD...but yea that is a nice idea...but i guess sony wants you to play it on the screen that comes with the PSP

[PSPFanatic]

I think that it will have a AV output.
check out the picture on this page.
http://www.digitalbackspin.com/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=320&text=& imageid=4095&box=&shownew=
I thin it is the port on the far right.

[kevindenoyette]

:roll:

[gamingmonkey2004]

that is most likly a docking station to charge the PSP...the AV out has been confirmed that there isnt one

[limbfilter]

Why would the docking station be at the top? and power connects to the bottom.....I don't know what that port is....But you gotta remember one thing....All of these psp pics from shows are not retail units. So I bet some would be different.

[gamingmonkey2004]

well we didnt see the bottom of it so it could be plugged in..but what i really ment was that it is just a prop to hold it up or something..and like there are cords inside the carboard that plugged into the PSP and charged it...i dunno all i know is that there is no AV out

[limbfilter]

yellow circle on the bottom right of the unit. That's power...
http://www.psinext.com/SPix/images/aae1.jpg

Not saying that the port on the top is av....But I wonder what it is....

*edit* Ah....it opens the umd lid.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2004/0527/kaigai05.jpg

[gamingmonkey2004]

well we didnt see the bottom of it so it could be plugged in..but what i really ment was that it is just a prop to hold it up or something..and like there are cords inside the carboard that plugged into the PSP and charged it...i dunno all i know is that there is no AV out

and you talk crap about me skimming over stuff people say

[DappaDizzle]

lol

[limbfilter]

well we didnt see the bottom of it so it could be plugged in..but what i really ment was that it is just a prop to hold it up or something..and like there are cords inside the carboard that plugged into the PSP and charged it...i dunno all i know is that there is no AV out

and you talk crap about me skimming over stuff people say
oh ROFLMAO! I get what happened....You didn't read him right...He was talking about the "port" on the far right...And then you started in about a dockstation and I thought you ment the port....You ment what was attached to it. LOL! So I gave you a little to much credit to be talking about what he was talking about.
But I am an honest man...I will admit my faults...I should have caught all of that when you were going on about cardboard. LOL.

[gamingmonkey2004]

dont worry about it it happens to everyone...even me...and me alot too because i like to read fast...and i got music playing and so many distractions i just read main points and post about it...so warning to everyone if you want your opinion heard by me put it in your first line

[alternate_ending]

Even if that pic had AV out, it wouldn't prove anything, because that was from e3, when everyone thought it would have AV out.

[gamingmonkey2004]

a very good point too

[munza]

Well after not being here for a few days it seems a lot has been said about video out. Sorry for the large posts :-)

So we know that AV will not be included because of UMB movie piracy concerns. Adding video out would be fairly cheep but the costs to include the protection side of video would most likely have to be hardware based and therefore cost a fair amount more and push the PSP price up and cause them to sell less. They could make so much more profit on it as an accessory then if they included it on the device. So for all those people saying sony are stupid for not including it, like I said before I don't think they are stupid. It will be cheaper and will even use less battery power. If they sell it as an add-on accessory you only need buy it if you want it. If people don't want it they wont have to pay extra for it and wont use as much power, so more game play. If Sony don't bring out an AV accessory then we will just have to live without it!

Possibilities:
Hackers may create software to output video/audio to a pc through the usb link, if at all possible, and even copy games for use on emulators on PC's.

I don't know what the physical size the discs in the UMD are. They could be just like the mini CD's. If they are someone will be able to create a caddy so anyone can burn mini DVD's for use in the caddy. If they have a larger hole in the centre then this will probably never be possible.

Alternate Ending, Playing games direct from memory sticks may not even be possible I don't recall seeing this ability mentioned but I may be wrong and if feel I probably are wrong. It would be great to be able to download a demo, wack it onto a memory stick, stick it into a psp and play away. I believe that they have memory sticks (well at least the CF type) that go up to 5GB so putting a full UMD would be easy. It may cost a lot to buy even one but one 2GB version is all you need.

And I like Gaming Monkeys comment about a UMD device or slot for PS3.

Either way, we are getting a good entertainment device and hopefully at a great price and the amount of accessories will be amazing. it will be able to do so much. So lets wait and see what sony will do. They like keeping secrets and they are good at it too! This Discussion is turning into more of an accessory thread anyway.

long enough I think.....
munza

[kevindenoyette]

I don't think an AV our accessory is possible. I think it's something that has to be directly hardware enabled, so we're pretty much fooked.

[alternate_ending]

i agree with kevin on this one.

Also, why would there be a big price boost to add hardware protection for movies or whatever you're trying to say. Regardless of what they do, with an AV out, you really can't prevent the possibility of piracy. IMO the lack of AV out will make them lost more sales than a slightly higher price (if any) for the inclusion of AV out.

AV out accessory is not viable. I think.

Hackers may create software to output video/audio to a pc through the usb link, if at all possible, and even copy games for use on emulators on PC's.
Yeah, ok... :roll:
If this was possible (the re-directing of AV through the USB), don't you think someone would have already done it for pcs, so you could AV out via USB instead of having to get a video card with AV out?

God, i don't know where to start as for why you're wrong about UMD burning. firstly, Sony have already said that no-one will be burning UMDs except them. Secondly, even if you were able to burn, you wouldn't be doing it in a DVD burner. The UMD includes the plastic case. You put the whole thing into your PSP. This does not resemble the far slimmer design of a DVD. You are going to screw something up if you put that in your burner. And yes, that goes for your mates burner as well.

I've said from day one that Sony are too protective to allow execution of code from mem sticks. It's far too open-ended from their perspective. Anything i've said other wise was just a fantasy, something that would be cool if it happened.

While you're not using the AV out, it won't be using the battery any more than normal. And when you are using the AV out, it will be using the battery far less. All it needs to do when the AV out is in use is send the video data. It doesn't need to power the backlight or the LCD. How does this mean more power use.

PSP does not use Compact Flash. It uses Mem stick Duo Pro.

I think the only thing in your entire post that i didn't disagree with was the UMD slot for PS3. That would be a good move.

[Danji]

Just thought I'd say..output, it's only one word. Stop treating it as two. Thank you.

My thoughts, good, the only way that'd be good is for IGN and gamespot to make more official looking videos of the games on it. It just has to many bad things that would happen if they did have it.

[munza]

If this was possible (the re-directing of AV through the USB), don't you think someone would have already done it for pcs, so you could AV out via USB instead of having to get a video card with AV out?


:( Your probably right here. I was thinking of the usb capture devices which works the opposite way. thought it may be possible to output also, but I guess not now.


God, i don't know where to start as for why you're wrong about UMD burning.


:? The UMD is basicaly a caddy with a mini DVD inside right?
I don't know how complex these UMD Caddies are but I'm sure someone may be able to re-create one. (Not saying that it is possible but it might be) and if the disks inside are just mini dvd's then well enough said.


I've said from day one that Sony are too protective to allow execution of code from mem sticks.


Yes I do agree with you. I was just assuming someone may find a way, not exactly saying it was possible.


PSP does not use Compact Flash. It uses Mem stick Duo Pro.


:!: Mem stick Duo Pro goes up to 2Gb now. There not sony band so might not work in psp but they are available. I was just using CF as an example as I hadn't double check if 2GB duo are available. psp will not be out for a while so I'm sure sony will have 2Gb Duo by then (Hope).

[alternate_ending]

I wasn't aware of the 2Gig Duo Pro, but thats pretty cool. It should be compatible.