x-box 2 a year befor ps3 my ideas

[madblazer]

ok just some ideas i have. if the xbox2 is out a year before the ps3, by the time the ps3 comes out people who have bought the xbox 2 will prob be ready to buy the ps3, which sony will be able to see the xbox and make minor changes to the ps3 if they see needed. and prob will, plus they will have an etra year to get the blu-ray going as the new format for everything. plus the x-box is already better than the ps2 spec wise, because it came out a year later, so one can asume that sony will be better because of the extra year to fine tune there ps3.

on the other hand why wouldnt ms wait and launch xbox2 with ps3, because the xbox is already better than the ps2 hardware wise that is.
just some of my thoughts on this what does everyone else think about the xbox2 a year before the ps3

[mmaatt78]

when will xbox2 be out?

[madblazer]

no one knows late 2005 mybee im just saying if not when

[Darknight]

I think Microsoft are making the biggest mistake of the next generation by planning to have Xenon out beforethe PS2.

Go to any other forum, check out any X-Box fanboy posts, and look at why they continue to claim the X-Box is the greatest thing since sliced bread... The GRAPHICS!

Take the power away from Xenon, and Microsoft have lost at least 75% of their fanbase, because everyone will see that not only will Sony have developer support - they will have the power as well.

[Kesler]

Not a year, 5 months really

Xbox 2: Nov 2005
PS3: Mar 2006(japan) and coming out 6 months later in the US

[Theo]

Somehow I feel that the ps3 would outperform Xenon even if the consoles would be released at the same time.
Billy probably thinks that he'll steal markets from Sony by releasing Xenon earlier. It reminds me of dreamcast and everybody knows what happened to it. I'm not saying that the same would happen with Xenon because Microsucks have a lot of money to back up their console.
Anyways I think that billy will at first make money indeed, with all the fan boys and impatient gamers buying their next-gen console, but when ps3 comes out...it'll crush Xenon because it will probably have superior performance, more good games, blu ray, etc.. I mean when the best graphix "tittle" is taken from microsucks's console, what will be left to it.

[Domination]

ok just some ideas i have. if the xbox2 is out a year before the ps3, by the time the ps3 comes out people who have bought the xbox 2 will prob be ready to buy the ps3, which sony will be able to see the xbox and make minor changes to the ps3 if they see needed. and prob will, plus they will have an etra year to get the blu-ray going as the new format for everything. plus the x-box is already better than the ps2 spec wise, because it came out a year later, so one can asume that sony will be better because of the extra year to fine tune there ps3.

on the other hand why wouldnt ms wait and launch xbox2 with ps3, because the xbox is already better than the ps2 hardware wise that is.
just some of my thoughts on this what does everyone else think about the xbox2 a year before the ps3

First of all, the Xbox 2 is not going to be a whole year infront of the PS3; the project is too far ahead. If you have been following the news, you will notice that the latest distance apart is more like six months.

And yes, time does grant better hardware, but that also depends on the company behind the project as well and what they would like to see of their invention. For instance, let's use Nintendo as an example.... They don't really care about hardware all that much, but more about innovation. Which means if they were to have six months to a year to push a product, that effort might go into something like an Eye Toy, meaning very little increase in the console's raw power. But, to sum it up simple, a six month advantage or a year advantage could look slightly better than what we have now or it could look two generations ahead. It all depends on what the company wants from their console. If you need a better example, take a look at the PSP and compare it to the DS. Remember, these handhelds will only be a WEEK apart.

You asked why won't Microsoft launch when Sony launches. The answer is simple. Sony has a much larger fan base. Microsoft launching at the same time as Sony could kill any chance they have at gaining any market share. Not only could Sony use hype against them, but it's a small chance that they could build a slightly better product due to them being more familiar with this field. What Microsoft plans on doing is loading up on software to gain a hold in the market. To do this, they have to launch ahead of Sony.

[amod20002004]

Graphics are not every thing. That’s why I bought ps2. Ps2 has nice range of titles. Against that xbox have too many F.P.S. games. Please, don’t get me wrong. I really love F.P.S. games. But xbox has too many of them, On other hand xbox don’t have too many heavy RPG, Survivor horror, and action adventure third person games, that thing forced me to buy ps2. And after buying ps2, I come to know that graphics are not everything. Gameplay comes first/before graphics. I also know that ps3 will feature outstanding gameplay and graphics. Therefore ps3’s future looks bright, than xobx2.

[Domination]

Graphics are not every thing. That’s why I bought ps2. Ps2 has nice range of titles. Against that xbox have too many F.P.S. games. Please, don’t get me wrong. I really love F.P.S. games. But xbox has too many of them, On other hand xbox don’t have too many heavy RPG, Survivor horror, and action adventure third person games, that thing forced me to buy ps2. And after buying ps2, I come to know that graphics are not everything. Gameplay comes first/before graphics. I also know that ps3 will feature outstanding gameplay and graphics. Therefore ps3’s future looks bright, than xobx2.

I was about to post this and the site freakin' crashed. :evil:

[amod20002004]

I was about to post this and the site freakin' crashed. :evil:
I also have same problem with this site. First time I thought that it’s my computer’s problem. But except this site all sites works fine on my computer.

[The_One]

You know, M$ is simpy trying out Sony's strategy: Steal the market before your opponent has even stepped on the battlefield. Whether this will work for the Xenon or not is to be seen... Since the REAL selling point for the PS2 was actually the DVD Playback capabilities (Since it was relatively cheap DVD AND console in one)... If Xenon doesn't support HD-DVD, then I'm quite sure Xenon has already lost the war... I mean, look at our 5th generation PS2 and XBox game, it has already filled up a DVD disc, how much longer do you think it'll take before the Next Gen games won't even fit on a DVD? Personally, I think they are simply "hiding" the fact that they have already decided to support HD-DVD, but just isn't announcing it to the public so that Sony and Big N won't know about it... Although I doubt that little trick will pose a threat.

[Ferrismc]

PS2 is better than Xbox. Who says that. I love this PS2 Gothic graphics instead of pixel graphics. Xbox does not has any games. In fact the best game on Xbox is Ninja Gaiden. Fable graphics is horrible. You cannot take American Magazines serious because they are paid or are republicans or somethign bad like that to give american made games or based on micrsucks console better grades. No gamer would give Fable 10/10. 7,5 would be far enough. The game is no role play game. I made it within 8 hours. If you follow just the storyline it would be even lesser.

[madblazer]

well the games will make or break the next gen consoles, if you ask me. third part support will play a factor here. and first party games. if the same games are on every system then people will buy the best system graphics wise. so sony will have to have some big exlusive games at luanch rather than just having games that are already out on the xbox2, and they need to have a better system graphics wise to hold people out from buying an xbox2. so if they launch with big exlusive games, and the ps3 is more powwerfull than i dont think ms or nintendo have a chance.

[GTShotoKen]

I have read that Microsoft amitted that the huge loss in profit going into the XBox has made it quite impossible for their gaming division to afford to build a processing unit similar to the "Cell". Bill Gates never whole heartedly dived into the gaming community because he is very inexperienced in that field, so he is not willing to have a much larger net loss in profit due to developing an extremely expensive processor unit. His main goal is to have a strong standing in all fields of technology, so yes Microsoft its trying to rule the world (one field at a time! lol). He is releasing the Xbox 2 earlier than the PS3 because;

1) The components he is using in the system are already readily available on the business market. :wink:

2) This is the only way his system will have a running chance to stand against the PS3. :lol:

3) If Sony did it, why can't they. lol :roll: We need to look good too.

He used similar tactics with the first Xbox by using powerful and "relatively" cheap technology that was readily available. Why, spend so much money on building your own processing unit when you can just buy powerful enough ones in bulk that are already available, or about to become available on the market. :o

The Xbox was just a high-end computer (at release :wink: ) that did not have the memory haugging operating systems to deal with. :roll:

The one thing that made me mad about Sony's release of the PS2 was that they just gave the developers a dev kit with no instructions on how to use the technology efficiently. This may have increased the life span of the PS2 by forcing developers to slowly take full advantage of the system, which would keep the system fresh and impressive in the minds of gamers, but the complexity of the Cell unit will not warrant such a lack of information. The dev teams at Sony MUST make their architecure easy to interpret and learn, with the use of more efficient dev kits, or it will take too long to harness the power and develope games for the system. This might even scare the developers away from developing for the PS3, which was a fear of John Carnack's (creator of Doom and Quake), and would play right into the hands of Microsoft, which they are desperately hoping that developers will be scared away from developing for the PS3.

[xbdestroya]

The Xbox was just a high-end computer (at release Wink ) that did not have the memory haugging operating systems to deal with. Rolling Eyes

XBox wasn't even really that high-end when it came out, at least in terms of it's processor.

As far as PS2, the dev kit (or lack thereof) was indeed a bad move by Sony, but I think that was totally a mistake and had nothign to do with any sort of coherent strategy. I think (hope) they've learned their lesson!

Only reason XBox is here today is because they caught a super-lucky break with Halo, and the promise, and now delviery, of Halo 2 has kept them growing through until the next generation.

From here on out it's back to square one for Microsoft, though with a much larger fan base. I think Sony will be able to transition more of it's IP to next-generation games more easily - no Halo 3 to look forward to at the moment for M$ fans. That means that XBox 2's launch titles are goign to be very make or break in a way, though Live and the generic array of sports games should help support it.

[Xeno]

I think Microsoft are making the biggest mistake of the next generation by planning to have Xenon out beforethe PS2.

Go to any other forum, check out any X-Box fanboy posts, and look at why they continue to claim the X-Box is the greatest thing since sliced bread... The GRAPHICS!

Take the power away from Xenon, and Microsoft have lost at least 75% of their fanbase, because everyone will see that not only will Sony have developer support - they will have the power as well.

It's true and I believe it could kick MS in the ass if the PS3 is considerably more powerful than the Xbox2.

[Domination]

I have read that Microsoft amitted that the huge loss in profit going into the XBox has made it quite impossible for their gaming division to afford to build a processing unit similar to the "Cell". Bill Gates never whole heartedly dived into the gaming community because he is very inexperienced in that field, so he is not willing to have a much larger net loss in profit due to developing an extremely expensive processor unit. His main goal is to have a strong standing in all fields of technology, so yes Microsoft its trying to rule the world (one field at a time! lol). He is releasing the Xbox 2 earlier than the PS3 because...

For some reason, I just don't believe that. That would be like me guessing what's under the hood of a car.

[Darknight]

If that is what Microsoft said, they probably meant they were unwilling to put the 5 billion into R&D which Sony have spent.

It's unlikely that they know enough about the cell to have meant exact chip layout, or specs.

[amod20002004]

I think Microsoft are making the biggest mistake of the next generation by planning to have Xenon out beforethe PS2.

Go to any other forum, check out any X-Box fanboy posts, and look at why they continue to claim the X-Box is the greatest thing since sliced bread... The GRAPHICS!

Take the power away from Xenon, and Microsoft have lost at least 75% of their fanbase, because everyone will see that not only will Sony have developer support - they will have the power as well.
Actually, Microsoft’s xbox is not that kind of bad, because guys like me who wants to own two systems, defiantly buys xbox after ps2. Yes, after ps2, xbox has all potential to impress anyone. I am not child; therefore there is no question about buying gamecube. Why should I buy gamecube? I have all games on my ps2, which were exclusive on gamecube. Therefore I am looking forward to ps3 and xbox2 in future. In other words, if I decide to buy two consoles in future, then after ps3 I will choose xbox2.

[Darknight]

I'm not a child, yet I chose to get the GC as my second console, basically because of the exclusives available for the GC.

If you really think Metroid is for kiddies, you've obviously never played it (and personally I think it far outperforms Halo - but then many games do...) There are also REmake and RE0, which I wouldn't show to anyones kids unless I seriously wanted to screw them up :lol:

X-Box has a few good games, but most of their exclusives are mediocre at best (Hello Fable... :roll: )

[amod20002004]

I'm not a child, yet I chose to get the GC as my second console, basically because of the exclusives available for the GC.

If you really think Metroid is for kiddies, you've obviously never played it (and personally I think it far outperforms Halo - but then many games do...) There are also REmake and RE0, which I wouldn't show to anyones kids unless I seriously wanted to screw them up :lol:

X-Box has a few good games, but most of their exclusives are mediocre at best (Hello Fable... :roll: )
Gamecube is a dieing bred. Yes, resident evil0 and Metroid are best exclusive game on Gamecube. But that’s it they have. Viewful joi is here on ps2; Resident evil4 is also coming to ps2. New Zelda is another attractive title, that’s it. Why should I buy a system for three titles? Xbox has plenty of titles to impress. Therefore still I think that after ps2, xbox has all potentials to impress anyone.

[Darknight]

Heh, each to their own I suppose, but personally, the X-Box exclusives don't have the same appeal. There isn't anything there that someone else hasn't already done much, much better.

[amod20002004]

Heh, each to their own I suppose, but personally, the X-Box exclusives don't have the same appeal. There isn't anything there that someone else hasn't already done much, much better.
Yes this time I am agreed with you. You know something, that’s why I bought ps2. xbox has too many F.P.S. And also xbox seriously lacks RPG and servivor horror department. I really love to play third person action adventure games. I have beaten Ratchet and clank1, 2, Jack 1,2, and many other games. Xbox seriously lacks in this department. Yes, xbox has good F.P.S, racing games and some sports game. I am really happy to own ps2, thanks to ps2 for giving me such a good test of other generation games. Whatever it is, let’s think like this, after ps2, I think xbox is a second best choice and you think gamecube is a second best choice.

[xbdestroya]

Let me put in my vote for the Cube as well. :wink:

But I don't stop at the 'non-kiddue' games only. Super Smash Bros, Mario Party, Kart - all those wacked out games totally rule. And you best be sure that if the new Mario Tennis is anythign as good as the last one, I'm totally there. 8)


I'm not a child, yet I chose to get the GC as my second console, basically because of the exclusives available for the GC.

If you really think Metroid is for kiddies, you've obviously never played it (and personally I think it far outperforms Halo - but then many games do...) There are also REmake and RE0, which I wouldn't show to anyones kids unless I seriously wanted to screw them up :lol:

X-Box has a few good games, but most of their exclusives are mediocre at best (Hello Fable... :roll: )

[Domination]

If that is what Microsoft said, they probably meant they were unwilling to put the 5 billion into R&D which Sony have spent.

It's unlikely that they know enough about the cell to have meant exact chip layout, or specs.

Sony has spent that amount because they have their own plant to do this. Microsoft, doesn't really possess the knowledge in this area. Which means they would have to go through someone else for this technology, which will instantly jack that price up.

[GTShotoKen]

If that is what Microsoft said, they probably meant they were unwilling to put the 5 billion into R&D which Sony have spent.

It's unlikely that they know enough about the cell to have meant exact chip layout, or specs.

Actually, I said that Microsoft was unwilling to put that much money into development of a chip similar to Cell.

Microsoft has more than enough money and connections in the software and hardware industry to have a processing unit built that is similar to Cells. Bill Gates came into the competition knowing fully that he would not de-throne Sony or Nintendo; he came into the gaming community because he wanted to show that he could have a standing in that field of technology. The net loss with the Xbox was more than enough to convence Microsoft to keep with their original views and buy components that are powerful, cheap to manufacture, and readily available.

The Xbox 2 is going to be an immensily powerful system with the 3 G5 PowerPC chips and the r520 under its hood, but what Microsoft is really depending on is its XNA platform to be successful. This software allows the Xbox 2 to be in line with the next-generation PCs, and allows a host of functionality between the PC and Xbox 2. They hope that this software will help the Xbox 2 and its games sell by allowing the same pluses of a PC game on the Xbox, like the ability to make mods. It turns out that their next console will have to be like a PC to sell; including the ability to play against PC gamers online, and having the ability to port over PC made mods.

These thoughts my not be completely accurate, but from what the capabilities of XNA are, it is very much possible. I have seen some inklings of peoples opinions of the software and they say that it offers those capabilities.

I for one am definitely hooked on the concept of the PS3. It seems that Sony will finally have the hardware to appease everyones hopes. The PSP already seem fantastic with some pretty promising titles such as Death Jr. at launch. The ability to download demos onto flash memory, and the ability to be an all in-one multimedia dream machine makes it that much more appealing. The concept of downloading demos onto the PSP might be a omen of the PS3's features. You might be able to download game demos for the PS3.

The one thing I hope that Sony developes is a unique web browser with the system that allows you to quickly e-mail and post forum messages on game specific sections (like now), which allow PS3 owners to instantly give incite on improvements to a future releases during gameplay, so more bugs and issues can be solved. It would also be cool to see previews of games through the browser also.

By the way, I am also a diehard Nintendo fan and I believe that Nintendo creates the most innovatve and unique titles (Metroid Prime, Zelda series, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Resident Evil 4, Tales of Symphonia, and Star Fox). I do agree that they do have a lack of titles though.

Sony creates some pretty unique titles, but their biggest plus is their extremely wide base of games and 3rd party support.

[Domination]

The XNA software Microsoft seems to be using for the Xenon holds a great path to where gaming should be headed. This is what killed these other consoles. Hopefully NOW they will be able to get more than just vietnam games on the shelf. Sony,too, seems to be heading this path as well. I'm not sure,and I seriously doubt, Sony will be going for the PC approach, though, seeing how they are a hardware company.

As for online, I'm sure a lot of these things may play a part in their online community next-gen. It's only a matter of how far Sony is willing to push it. Oh, and incase a lot of you didn't notice, this Cyber World Sony was talking about was mentioned back around the time the PS2 was being built. :wink:

[Rallyracr420]

This is a big if, but...

If the Cell chips are as successful as Sony wants them to be, we might see them powering desktop computers. If this is the case, then Sony's OpenGL interface for the PS3 could be a cross platform API that could be used on these Cell powered computers too. It could be powered by a Sony branded flavor of Linux, which would also explain why the PS2 Linux kit was ever developed in the first place.

All in all, this would be a big boost for
1) Linux
2) Sony
3) Cell
4) OpenGL
5) BluRay drives on computers

[xbdestroya]

I've heard speculation of possible Cell-driven workstations and servers down the line, with possibly serious ramifications for Intel and Sun, but I guess we're just not going to know anything until they reveal some specs.

Hopefully this December will be our first clue! :)

If any of that comes to pass, Sony and gang are going to turn into chip giants pretty quickly.

I'd love to find how much EACH company has spent on the chip's development. Basically, the more IBM has spent on it as the project has run it's course, the more confident I would be that this chip is going to try to set itself up as an x86 competitor.


This is a big if, but...

If the Cell chips are as successful as Sony wants them to be, we might see them powering desktop computers. If this is the case, then Sony's OpenGL interface for the PS3 could be a cross platform API that could be used on these Cell powered computers too. It could be powered by a Sony branded flavor of Linux, which would also explain why the PS2 Linux kit was ever developed in the first place.

All in all, this would be a big boost for
1) Linux
2) Sony
3) Cell
4) OpenGL
5) BluRay drives on computers

[rev>thanu]

Heh, each to their own I suppose, but personally, the X-Box exclusives don't have the same appeal. There isn't anything there that someone else hasn't already done much, much better.
Yes this time I am agreed with you. You know something, that’s why I bought ps2. xbox has too many F.P.S. And also xbox seriously lacks RPG and servivor horror department. I really love to play third person action adventure games. I have beaten Ratchet and clank1, 2, Jack 1,2, and many other games. Xbox seriously lacks in this department. Yes, xbox has good F.P.S, racing games and some sports game. I am really happy to own ps2, thanks to ps2 for giving me such a good test of other generation games. Whatever it is, let’s think like this, after ps2, I think xbox is a second best choice and you think gamecube is a second best choice.

this time i will disagree with you amod. yeah xbox has good FPS but that's about other than ninja gaiden. nintendo on the other hand has great exclusives that appeal to me and many others a heck of a lot more.

Starfox adventures
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes
Legend of Zelda the wind waker
Legend of Zelda
Resident Evil 1 remake
Resident Evil 0
Baten Kaitos
fire emblem a nintendo classic redone
phantasy star online
mario sunshine nice game but not a perfect 10 kind of game
they have more
these games appeal me more than xbox games because these are the types of genres i love the most. most xbox games that are exclusive and fall under these genres are above average or just mediocre except for the FPS category which metroid falls under. I'm not too big on FPSs unless they are 10-9 scored.

[amod20002004]

this time i will disagree with you amod. yeah xbox has good FPS but that's about other than ninja gaiden. nintendo on the other hand has great exclusives that appeal to me and many others a heck of a lot more.

Starfox adventures
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes
Legend of Zelda the wind waker
Legend of Zelda
Resident Evil 1 remake
Resident Evil 0
Baten Kaitos
fire emblem a nintendo classic redone
phantasy star online
mario sunshine nice game but not a perfect 10 kind of game
they have more
these games appeal me more than xbox games because these are the types of genres i love the most. most xbox games that are exclusive and fall under these genres are above average or just mediocre except for the FPS category which metroid falls under. I'm not too big on FPSs unless they are 10-9 scored.
Rev, you are my good friend, and I really don’t want to hurt you. Therefore Please don’t take below statement personally. Ok. :D

You have written following games for gamecube.
Starfox adventures – average game
Metroid Prime – I own halo1.
Metroid Prime 2- I am going buy halo2, Doom3, half life2,
Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes – This is a great game. I have no doubts about that. But I had beaten original game on ps1.
Legend of Zelda the wind waker- Grate title
Legend of Zelda – Childish title
Resident Evil 1 remake- Great title, but there are chances that Capcom may announce this one on ps2
Resident Evil 0- Great title, but agian there are chances that Capcom may announce this one on ps2.
mario sunshine nice game but not a perfect 10 kind of game-childish
Baten Kaitos- childish average game.
fire emblem a nintendo classic redone-childish.

Oh yes and let me clear one thing I also love driving games and F.P.S. Gamcube seriously lacks in this department.
On other hand I own,
Project gotham racing 1
Project gotham racing 2
Forza motor sports.
Rally sports1
Rally sports2
Halo1
Halo2 - still I have to purchase
Doom3- still I have to purchase
Halflife2 - still I have to purchase
Fable
Ninja gaiden
Dead or alive beach volley ball- Personal tip- If You are not mature. Then don't even look at this title.
DOA series

So that’s what I am talking about. All above mentioned titles are matured titles and these titles are exclusive to xbox. Therefore still I think that After ps2, xbox is a second best choice. In simple words if anyone wants to purchase two consoles, then after ps2, xbox has all potential to attract anyone.

[senas8]

Ha Ha...Psp alone will outsell xbox2...and by the time ps3 comes out it ...sony will have a market already in it's favor ....Ps3 will just seal the deal. :wink:

[amod20002004]

Ha Ha...Psp alone will outsell xbox2...and by the time ps3 comes out it ...sony will have a market already in it's favor ....Ps3 will just seal the deal. :wink:
Yes, ps3 will sell more than 75 million units that is what I expect. Actually Sony is more confident about ps3. They thinks that ps3 would reach a milestone of 100 millions. And I personally think that what they are estimating going to be a reality in future.

I think xbox2 will reach upto 15 to 25 million worldwide sales. That’s it. Sorry Microsoft, that’s what I expect.

[Domination]

This is a big if, but...

If the Cell chips are as successful as Sony wants them to be, we might see them powering desktop computers. If this is the case, then Sony's OpenGL interface for the PS3 could be a cross platform API that could be used on these Cell powered computers too. It could be powered by a Sony branded flavor of Linux, which would also explain why the PS2 Linux kit was ever developed in the first place.

All in all, this would be a big boost for
1) Linux
2) Sony
3) Cell
4) OpenGL
5) BluRay drives on computers

I can see you have fallen behind. Sony is already doing this. This is the purpose for their Cell. It will be planted in every single Sony device which is said to creat a chain of electronics/extended sources. Then there's Open GL/Collada, which is said to run on any PC using Open GL. I'm not sure if Sony wants to enter the PC realm,although they do build their own PCs, but this may be what they are looking at in the future inorder to own the entertainment industry. So, it may lead to that.

[rev>thanu]

this time i will disagree with you amod. yeah xbox has good FPS but that's about other than ninja gaiden. nintendo on the other hand has great exclusives that appeal to me and many others a heck of a lot more.

Starfox adventures
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes
Legend of Zelda the wind waker
Legend of Zelda
Resident Evil 1 remake
Resident Evil 0
Baten Kaitos
fire emblem a nintendo classic redone
phantasy star online
mario sunshine nice game but not a perfect 10 kind of game
they have more
these games appeal me more than xbox games because these are the types of genres i love the most. most xbox games that are exclusive and fall under these genres are above average or just mediocre except for the FPS category which metroid falls under. I'm not too big on FPSs unless they are 10-9 scored.
Rev, you are my good friend, and I really don’t want to hurt you. Therefore Please don’t take below statement personally. Ok. :D

You have written following games for gamecube.
Starfox adventures – average game
Metroid Prime – I own halo1.
Metroid Prime 2- I am going buy halo2, Doom3, half life2,
Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes – This is a great game. I have no doubts about that. But I had beaten original game on ps1.
Legend of Zelda the wind waker- Grate title
Legend of Zelda – Childish title
Resident Evil 1 remake- Great title, but there are chances that Capcom may announce this one on ps2
Resident Evil 0- Great title, but agian there are chances that Capcom may announce this one on ps2.
mario sunshine nice game but not a perfect 10 kind of game-childish
Baten Kaitos- childish average game.
fire emblem a nintendo classic redone-childish.

Oh yes and let me clear one thing I also love driving games and F.P.S. Gamcube seriously lacks in this department.
On other hand I own,
Project gotham racing 1
Project gotham racing 2
Forza motor sports.
Rally sports1
Rally sports2
Halo1
Halo2 - still I have to purchase
Doom3- still I have to purchase
Halflife2 - still I have to purchase
Fable
Ninja gaiden
Dead or alive beach volley ball- Personal tip- If You are not mature. Then don't even look at this title.
DOA series

So that’s what I am talking about. All above mentioned titles are matured titles and these titles are exclusive to xbox. Therefore still I think that After ps2, xbox is a second best choice. In simple words if anyone wants to purchase two consoles, then after ps2, xbox has all potential to attract anyone.

well each one with their own taste i would say. IMO i don't think starfox adventures is an average game. i think it was the best thing that happened to the starfox series and i think it deserved the score Mario Sunshine got. Now Mario Sunshine i will agree with you that is just average. Also Amod I mentioned games that were mostly exclusive, halo 1, half life 2, Doom 3 and eventually halo 2 are already on pc or will be ported sooner or later. I rather get those titles on pc and get the graphics boost instead of a downgrade. so really those aren't exclusive titles. RE0 and 1 for gamecube have yet to be announced and therefore i can't count on them to be released on ps2 just yet. One thing i do agree with you is that gamecube does lack on the racing genre but i also must confess that i'm not to big on the racing genre either. i would only play a racing game that is worth it, like project gotham and granturismo. baten kaitos isn't childish unless you consider final fantasy or suikoden childish. the game hasn't hit american shores so i really can't say weather is average or not. fire emblem isn't childish unless you also consider the dragon quest series childish. yeah there is no gore or blood but also there wasn't any on final fantasy x-2 etc. dark cloud 2 is a great game and is a bit childish but at the same time is too complicated for a child to play and that doesn't mean i can't play it and actually enjoy the experience of it. i think you have a that whole childish idea of nintendo stuck on your head.

DOA series that's what i call an average game. there is no substance and no depth into the fighting or artstyles. most of the fighting moves are taken from real life and enhanced to a level of super nonrealism. DOA is just a pretty fighter to show off the polygonal cleavege of girls. same goes for beach volleball. it's just eye candy for the gamer. nothing special about it what's the point of it, to collect 100 different bikinies to see how different the polygons would look on them. i mean the game is for pervs and i'm very mature believe me. I what i like and i buy games for fun and gameplay and not to please my eyes specially with fake girls. rumble rose is another bull crap addition to that too. I consider storyline and story development, presentation and gameplay my priority factors when i purchase a game.

Metroid Prime is just of a good game as Halo. What makes halo so special the simple fact that it hit shores first. that made a whole difference, it was the first of it's kind and on a new console that was full of hype. halo 1 to me was overrated i don't know if the same would apply to halo2. but yes halo 1 in my opinion just took things that were already done on other FPSs. What made it so fun was how the multiplayer mode played out. then story mode, story telling etc. was the worst i had seen on an FPS. for god sakes there weren't any bosses on Halo 1, only that stupid flying little robot. Also the vehicle controls were so hard to manuver that it deserved at least some points deducted.

also the new legend of Zelda is not as childish as wind waker. if you call realistic link childish then i beg you to reconsider, because ocarina of time with that artstyle it brought to the zelda world was the best thing that had ever happened to the zelda series. also i forgot to mention on the list zelda four swords. yeah it's childish but it's the best gamecube game i have played since wind waker.


also ninja gaiden i think is the only game that makes me consider the xbox and not sell it. ninja gaiden is awsome and that's what i call quality gaming.

so like you told me don't take my comments personally this is what i think and how i feel about the situation. Nintendo to me should be on the number 2 spot but hey that's how things played out well it really doesn't matter to me. as long as nintendo keeps showing good titles as always. also like i said earlier each one to their own opinion. :D

[xbdestroya]

I'm with you Rev, Ninja Gaiden's the only title I wish I'd be able to play off of XBox, though I DO like the DOA series. :wink:

Halo is good, but Metrois is really, really awesome. It's just the fact that it's such an incredible current generation game, while still being so true to the original game/vision that really makes it for me. That by the way is why I think Ninja Gaiden is so awesome by the way. Could the same thing be done with something like Kid Icarus or Bionic Commando!?!?! But I digress...

Anyway XBox does certainly have the more 'mature' titles, but then again, so does PS2. GameCube is my 'fun machine' :wink:

[rev>thanu]

Gamecube is my nostalgic console. it comes out with the old and classics but with refreshed ideas. one thing i do hate about nintendo is that they don't like to take risks with new game characters or ideas. they only know how to take their old mascosts and put them in new world for you to play with. i don't also like the fact that nintendo over kills their mascots, perfect example mario. how many mario games are out there well to many to count. what's even funnier is the fact that non relate to mario him self. mario is italian pizza eater and a plumer. you never see him eating pizza or using a wrentch which i find odd lol. but yeah basically nintendo needs to stop doing that and add on new players into the table.

[Xeno]

Gamecube is my nostalgic console. it comes out with the old and classics but with refreshed ideas. one thing i do hate about nintendo is that they don't like to take risks with new game characters or ideas. they only know how to take their old mascosts and put them in new world for you to play with. i don't also like the fact that nintendo over kills their mascots, perfect example mario. how many mario games are out there well to many to count. what's even funnier is the fact that non relate to mario him self. mario is italian pizza eater and a plumer. you never see him eating pizza or using a wrentch which i find odd lol. but yeah basically nintendo needs to stop doing that and add on new players into the table.

I havent bought a Nintendo product since N64 but I might just pick up the Revolution if it has a very good looking Zelda and Donkey Kong :wink:

[Rigormortis]

YO,

Hey this is just a thought: I 've been reading through these forums and I just get the feeling that a lot of people have a disdain towards Mcrsft.

I'm taking a class right now and we are learning about Japan business practices, and how in their country they will always support their own businesses.

Some feel that the U.S. does not support enough of their own. Some feel that we should be showing MS more support than the f'n Japs.

Your thoughts?

[Xeno]

YO,

Hey this is just a thought: I 've been reading through these forums and I just get the feeling that a lot of people have a disdain towards Mcrsft.

I'm taking a class right now and we are learning about Japan business practices, and how in their country they will always support their own businesses.

Some feel that the U.S. does not support enough of their own. Some feel that we should be showing MS more support than the f'n Japs.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts...a stupid remark.

[kevindenoyette]

it's not the japanese's fault that the american economy is going to shit, it's the president's more than any foreign company.

a lot of people dislike microsoft because they are greedy, stealing bitches and can't make anything work properly.

[Rallyracr420]

This is a big if, but...

If the Cell chips are as successful as Sony wants them to be, we might see them powering desktop computers. If this is the case, then Sony's OpenGL interface for the PS3 could be a cross platform API that could be used on these Cell powered computers too. It could be powered by a Sony branded flavor of Linux, which would also explain why the PS2 Linux kit was ever developed in the first place.

All in all, this would be a big boost for
1) Linux
2) Sony
3) Cell
4) OpenGL
5) BluRay drives on computers

I can see you have fallen behind. Sony is already doing this. This is the purpose for their Cell. It will be planted in every single Sony device which is said to creat a chain of electronics/extended sources. Then there's Open GL/Collada, which is said to run on any PC using Open GL. I'm not sure if Sony wants to enter the PC realm,although they do build their own PCs, but this may be what they are looking at in the future inorder to own the entertainment industry. So, it may lead to that.

Really? Cause I haven't seen any Sony branded version of Linux. I also haven't read any plans for Sony to incorporate the Cell as the primary CPU in common desktop computers (aka competitors to AMD and Intel). The only computers I know the Cell will be going into are IBMs workstations for PS3 software development. I was aware of Collada, however I only understood it to be an API to be implemented in the PS3 so it would ease compatibility with future PlayStations. I didn't realize Collada's strategy was to compete directly with DirectX/XNA.

[GTShotoKen]

YO,

Hey this is just a thought: I 've been reading through these forums and I just get the feeling that a lot of people have a disdain towards Mcrsft.

I'm taking a class right now and we are learning about Japan business practices, and how in their country they will always support their own businesses.

Some feel that the U.S. does not support enough of their own. Some feel that we should be showing MS more support than the f'n Japs.

Your thoughts?

I support Microsft, but Bill Gates is trying to take over too much in the technology field. :( The console market is already owned by Japan and cannot be overthrown, besides they are doing a great job anyways. :wink:

Oh! and by the way, your remarks toward the Japanese are quite Discriminating. I will waste no furthur time commenting on your posts if you make such Ignorant comments. :x

[kevindenoyette]

This is a big if, but...

If the Cell chips are as successful as Sony wants them to be, we might see them powering desktop computers. If this is the case, then Sony's OpenGL interface for the PS3 could be a cross platform API that could be used on these Cell powered computers too. It could be powered by a Sony branded flavor of Linux, which would also explain why the PS2 Linux kit was ever developed in the first place.

All in all, this would be a big boost for
1) Linux
2) Sony
3) Cell
4) OpenGL
5) BluRay drives on computers

I can see you have fallen behind. Sony is already doing this. This is the purpose for their Cell. It will be planted in every single Sony device which is said to creat a chain of electronics/extended sources. Then there's Open GL/Collada, which is said to run on any PC using Open GL. I'm not sure if Sony wants to enter the PC realm,although they do build their own PCs, but this may be what they are looking at in the future inorder to own the entertainment industry. So, it may lead to that.

Really? Cause I haven't seen any Sony branded version of Linux. I also haven't read any plans for Sony to incorporate the Cell as the primary CPU in common desktop computers (aka competitors to AMD and Intel). The only computers I know the Cell will be going into are IBMs workstations for PS3 software development. I was aware of Collada, however I only understood it to be an API to be implemented in the PS3 so it would ease compatibility with future PlayStations. I didn't realize Collada's strategy was to compete directly with DirectX/XNA.



I'm not too sure about the other bits, but sony has a ps2/linux pack out, where you can run linux on your ps2. You might not have known that, so 'i'm just saying.

[Domination]

YO,

Hey this is just a thought: I 've been reading through these forums and I just get the feeling that a lot of people have a disdain towards Mcrsft.

I'm taking a class right now and we are learning about Japan business practices, and how in their country they will always support their own businesses.

Some feel that the U.S. does not support enough of their own. Some feel that we should be showing MS more support than the f'n Japs.

Your thoughts?

I could give a care less about who's building the product. I go for what suits me best as well as the quality. A lot of the things about the Xbox are more of a turn-off, IMO. But, I'm sure you could say different. Seeing how it's personal preference, it really doesn't matter. It's like gaming: you may be a FPS geek. Me, I'm the total opposite. If I sat around siding with one particular thing all my life, I would be the one missing out on everything.

[Domination]

Really? Cause I haven't seen any Sony branded version of Linux. I also haven't read any plans for Sony to incorporate the Cell as the primary CPU in common desktop computers (aka competitors to AMD and Intel). The only computers I know the Cell will be going into are IBMs workstations for PS3 software development. I was aware of Collada, however I only understood it to be an API to be implemented in the PS3 so it would ease compatibility with future PlayStations. I didn't realize Collada's strategy was to compete directly with DirectX/XNA.

The Cell is suppose to be a universal chip/ the main link that will connect all of Sony's devices together. If not for this, Sony would not be putting such a huge gamble on the line. To make that simple, even if the PS3 fails (though I find that kinda odd right now), the money that Sony invested in this poroject will come from their electronics division due to the chip going into every electronic device with a Sony name on it. They are even putting one in the Qrio robot they recently built to enhance its capabilities. They have also announced the Cell going into their television sets to enhance the functionality (making it a computer-like television set) for the PS3. This workstation they are building just happens to be one of the more popular devices right now. The project is huge, but most likely the investment will pay off regardless of what Microsoft and Nintendo does.

The computer world, Sony has not said anything about making an OS of their own to battle Microsoft in this market, but they did say something about the PS3 being compatible with Linux a while back, if that's where you were getting at. The OS for the workstation,however, will be a new OS made from IBM, but it will not be to compete with Microsoft, I'm almost certain; it is made specifically for the workstations. But like I said before, I'm not sure if Sony even wants to compete with Microsoft in the OS war seeing how they are a hardware company, but they may be heading in that directing with a different approach. It's kinda murky right now, but we shall see what happens in the future.

[amod20002004]

well each one with their own taste i would say. IMO i don't think starfox adventures is an average game. i think it was the best thing that happened to the starfox series and i think it deserved the score Mario Sunshine got. Now Mario Sunshine i will agree with you that is just average. Also Amod I mentioned games that were mostly exclusive, halo 1, half life 2, Doom 3 and eventually halo 2 are already on pc or will be ported sooner or later. I rather get those titles on pc and get the graphics boost instead of a downgrade. so really those aren't exclusive titles. RE0 and 1 for gamecube have yet to be announced and therefore i can't count on them to be released on ps2 just yet. One thing i do agree with you is that gamecube does lack on the racing genre but i also must confess that i'm not to big on the racing genre either. i would only play a racing game that is worth it, like project gotham and granturismo. baten kaitos isn't childish unless you consider final fantasy or suikoden childish. the game hasn't hit american shores so i really can't say weather is average or not. fire emblem isn't childish unless you also consider the dragon quest series childish. yeah there is no gore or blood but also there wasn't any on final fantasy x-2 etc. dark cloud 2 is a great game and is a bit childish but at the same time is too complicated for a child to play and that doesn't mean i can't play it and actually enjoy the experience of it. i think you have a that whole childish idea of nintendo stuck on your head.

DOA series that's what i call an average game. there is no substance and no depth into the fighting or artstyles. most of the fighting moves are taken from real life and enhanced to a level of super nonrealism. DOA is just a pretty fighter to show off the polygonal cleavege of girls. same goes for beach volleball. it's just eye candy for the gamer. nothing special about it what's the point of it, to collect 100 different bikinies to see how different the polygons would look on them. i mean the game is for pervs and i'm very mature believe me. I what i like and i buy games for fun and gameplay and not to please my eyes specially with fake girls. rumble rose is another bull crap addition to that too. I consider storyline and story development, presentation and gameplay my priority factors when i purchase a game.

Metroid Prime is just of a good game as Halo. What makes halo so special the simple fact that it hit shores first. that made a whole difference, it was the first of it's kind and on a new console that was full of hype. halo 1 to me was overrated i don't know if the same would apply to halo2. but yes halo 1 in my opinion just took things that were already done on other FPSs. What made it so fun was how the multiplayer mode played out. then story mode, story telling etc. was the worst i had seen on an FPS. for god sakes there weren't any bosses on Halo 1, only that stupid flying little robot. Also the vehicle controls were so hard to manuver that it deserved at least some points deducted.

also the new legend of Zelda is not as childish as wind waker. if you call realistic link childish then i beg you to reconsider, because ocarina of time with that artstyle it brought to the zelda world was the best thing that had ever happened to the zelda series. also i forgot to mention on the list zelda four swords. yeah it's childish but it's the best gamecube game i have played since wind waker.


also ninja gaiden i think is the only game that makes me consider the xbox and not sell it. ninja gaiden is awsome and that's what i call quality gaming.

so like you told me don't take my comments personally this is what i think and how i feel about the situation. Nintendo to me should be on the number 2 spot but hey that's how things played out well it really doesn't matter to me. as long as nintendo keeps showing good titles as always. also like i said earlier each one to their own opinion. :D
‘Legend of Zelda old’ has cartoonish kind of graphics, that’s why I have said that game looks like childish one to me. New Zelda looks like a grate title, Graphics are jaw-dropping.
Ok then, I respect your opinion. As I said before, Let’s think like this, After ps2, I think xbox is a second best console to buy, and you think gamcube is a second best console to buy. :D

[xbdestroya]

First of all you're on the wrong forum.

Second of all, I don't purchase goods based on what country they come from, I purchase based on which product is better. I would hope you do the same. Personally I hate Microsoft, but that's just me. I use all their software anyway, and I think competition is good for the market so I welcome the XBox.

By the way, are you severely nationalist and/or racist?


YO,

Hey this is just a thought: I 've been reading through these forums and I just get the feeling that a lot of people have a disdain towards Mcrsft.

I'm taking a class right now and we are learning about Japan business practices, and how in their country they will always support their own businesses.

Some feel that the U.S. does not support enough of their own. Some feel that we should be showing MS more support than the f'n Japs.

Your thoughts?

[GTShotoKen]

well each one with their own taste i would say. IMO i don't think starfox adventures is an average game. i think it was the best thing that happened to the starfox series and i think it deserved the score Mario Sunshine got. Now Mario Sunshine i will agree with you that is just average. Also Amod I mentioned games that were mostly exclusive, halo 1, half life 2, Doom 3 and eventually halo 2 are already on pc or will be ported sooner or later. I rather get those titles on pc and get the graphics boost instead of a downgrade. so really those aren't exclusive titles. RE0 and 1 for gamecube have yet to be announced and therefore i can't count on them to be released on ps2 just yet. One thing i do agree with you is that gamecube does lack on the racing genre but i also must confess that i'm not to big on the racing genre either. i would only play a racing game that is worth it, like project gotham and granturismo. baten kaitos isn't childish unless you consider final fantasy or suikoden childish. the game hasn't hit american shores so i really can't say weather is average or not. fire emblem isn't childish unless you also consider the dragon quest series childish. yeah there is no gore or blood but also there wasn't any on final fantasy x-2 etc. dark cloud 2 is a great game and is a bit childish but at the same time is too complicated for a child to play and that doesn't mean i can't play it and actually enjoy the experience of it. i think you have a that whole childish idea of nintendo stuck on your head.

DOA series that's what i call an average game. there is no substance and no depth into the fighting or artstyles. most of the fighting moves are taken from real life and enhanced to a level of super nonrealism. DOA is just a pretty fighter to show off the polygonal cleavege of girls. same goes for beach volleball. it's just eye candy for the gamer. nothing special about it what's the point of it, to collect 100 different bikinies to see how different the polygons would look on them. i mean the game is for pervs and i'm very mature believe me. I what i like and i buy games for fun and gameplay and not to please my eyes specially with fake girls. rumble rose is another bull crap addition to that too. I consider storyline and story development, presentation and gameplay my priority factors when i purchase a game.

Metroid Prime is just of a good game as Halo. What makes halo so special the simple fact that it hit shores first. that made a whole difference, it was the first of it's kind and on a new console that was full of hype. halo 1 to me was overrated i don't know if the same would apply to halo2. but yes halo 1 in my opinion just took things that were already done on other FPSs. What made it so fun was how the multiplayer mode played out. then story mode, story telling etc. was the worst i had seen on an FPS. for god sakes there weren't any bosses on Halo 1, only that stupid flying little robot. Also the vehicle controls were so hard to manuver that it deserved at least some points deducted.

also the new legend of Zelda is not as childish as wind waker. if you call realistic link childish then i beg you to reconsider, because ocarina of time with that artstyle it brought to the zelda world was the best thing that had ever happened to the zelda series. also i forgot to mention on the list zelda four swords. yeah it's childish but it's the best gamecube game i have played since wind waker.


also ninja gaiden i think is the only game that makes me consider the xbox and not sell it. ninja gaiden is awsome and that's what i call quality gaming.

so like you told me don't take my comments personally this is what i think and how i feel about the situation. Nintendo to me should be on the number 2 spot but hey that's how things played out well it really doesn't matter to me. as long as nintendo keeps showing good titles as always. also like i said earlier each one to their own opinion. :D
‘Legend of Zelda old’ has cartoonish kind of graphics, that’s why I have said that game looks like childish one to me. New Zelda looks like a grate title, Graphics are jaw-dropping.
Ok then, I respect your opinion. As I said before, Let’s think like this, After ps2, I think xbox is a second best console to buy, and you think gamcube is a second best console to buy. :D

Amod i respect your views, but the graphics of a game does not determine how childish a game is. I consider how much a game requires you to use your brain, and Zelda really fits the bill. WindWaker does have cartoonish graphics, but the puzzles and action in the game was well beyond that of what a child could master. Mario Sunshine had aspects to the game that required the intelligence of an older person to master also. I admire Nintendos efforts toward graphical styles and overall gameplay because they remind people what games are all about. I have never heared anyone say that a game produced by Nintendo was not solid. Nintendo is the original innovator and will always be (then Sega).

The one thing that I think is a problem with peoples opinions on Metroid Prime is that they think it is just an FPS, but it is really an adventure game in the First-person. The story and over all game play depth destroy's Halos single player and rivals Half-life's gameplay, which is an incredibly huge statment coming from me seeing that I think that Half-life is one of the best games ever made. Of course Half-life 2 will be leagues ahead, but if you took the time to rellish all that Metroid Prime has to offer then you will understand what a marvelous game it is.

When it comes to StarFox adventures though, I definitely would say that its gameplay is quite simple, but it was still a solid game.

[Coded-Dude]

First of all you're on the wrong forum.

Second of all, I don't purchase goods based on what country they come from, I purchase based on which product is better. I would hope you do the same. Personally I hate Microsoft, but that's just me. I use all their software anyway, and I think competition is good for the market so I welcome the XBox.

By the way, are you severely nationalist and/or racist?


YO,

Hey this is just a thought: I 've been reading through these forums and I just get the feeling that a lot of people have a disdain towards Mcrsft.

I'm taking a class right now and we are learning about Japan business practices, and how in their country they will always support their own businesses.

Some feel that the U.S. does not support enough of their own. Some feel that we should be showing MS more support than the f'n Japs.

Your thoughts?

Personally I think most MS products suck. There are a few good ones, but mostly they are too expensive and lack in portability.
Competition is always good for the market though. I don't understand what you mean by "Some feel that the US doesn't support enough of their own." WTF! Some feel that BIll Gates should jump off a cliff.... Does that make it so? America is becoming a country of middle management, ceo's, and engineers. We desgin and oversee, the rest is done in cheaper labor countries. Some might diagree but they are not normally in a postiion to challenge a CEO who makes millions of dollars a year for themselves and their board. If you ask me we should keep support and engineering here and outsource our CEO and management jobs. But like I said, I don't make those kinds of calls....

Sorry, wrong forum but I had to sound off! :roll:

[Pistolero]

Gaming Guru : Once, Myiamoto was asked the obsessional question : "what can you reply to those who claim that all your games have been targetting children", so he answered : "I do create challenges and it is not my fault if only children can appreciate them"...
Authentic gamers must not judge a book by its covers !

[GTShotoKen]

Gaming Guru : Once, Myiamoto was asked the obsessional question : "what can you reply to those who claim that all your games have been targetting children", so he answered : "I do create challenges and it is not my fault if only children can appreciate them"...
Authentic gamers must not judge a book by its covers !

I am sorry If I misunderstood the connotation of your statment, but it sounds like you are writing that I said I didn't like Nintendo games. :lol:

Well anyways, does anyone have any new news concerning the XBox Next or the PS3?

[Rallyracr420]

Gaming Guru : Once, Myiamoto was asked the obsessional question : "what can you reply to those who claim that all your games have been targetting children", so he answered : "I do create challenges and it is not my fault if only children can appreciate them"...
Authentic gamers must not judge a book by its covers !

I feel like that's a pretty naive statement made by Myiamoto. If I was to create a challenging game that was full of rainbows, pink triangles, butch women and feminine guys that dress way too nice, I can't be surprised if the game is only a hit with the gay community.

Likewise, games like Leisure Suit Larry offer content and jokes that kids would never understand. If they can't relate to it, they're not going to be interested in it, and they won't buy it.

You won't find many girls playing the new Playboy game because most girls don't care about playing a video game that revolves around boobs.

My point is this, anyone can create a challenge...its the imagery you use to create your challenges that people associate with. Mario packin a bubble shooter doesn't really give much for older generations to relate to. Link swimming around in some cell shaded game with the cartoon graphics it has doesn't appeal to all the older audiences who are buying DOA: Ultimate and looking for how realistic the blood looks in the next best adventure game.

Is Myiamoto saying he simply can't create puzzles without using imagery that only appeals to kids? Sounds like a personal problem more than a problem with people judging a book by its cover.[/i]

[kevindenoyette]

Gaming Guru : Once, Myiamoto was asked the obsessional question : "what can you reply to those who claim that all your games have been targetting children", so he answered : "I do create challenges and it is not my fault if only children can appreciate them"...
Authentic gamers must not judge a book by its covers !

I feel like that's a pretty naive statement made by Myiamoto. If I was to create a challenging game that was full of rainbows, pink triangles, butch women and feminine guys that dress way too nice, I can't be surprised if the game is only a hit with the gay community.



As much as I agree with the rest of your post, that statement comes across as pretty derogatory. I'm sure that gay stereotype is just pure bullshit.

[Rallyracr420]

Well I wasnting meaning to offend anyone, so try not to take it the wrong way. But I was making a point that imagary is associated with stereotypes, and when we see the bubbles or cartoonish look, we stereotype the game into the kids category. Childish imagary pulls into the game a childish audience. The developers design new games from a blank slate. From the very beginning they choose what imagary is brought in to influence the look of the game one way or another.

[Domination]

Well I wasnting meaning to offend anyone, so try not to take it the wrong way. But I was making a point that imagary is associated with stereotypes, and when we see the bubbles or cartoonish look, we stereotype the game into the kids category. Childish imagary pulls into the game a childish audience. The developers design new games from a blank slate. From the very beginning they choose what imagary is brought in to influence the look of the game one way or another.

Maybe if Mario wasn't aimed at the younger audience, the older gamers wouldn't have trouble accepting it. For that, I don't believe it has anything to do with Nintendo's mascot -- otherwise games like Mega Man would have died a long time ago. It's mainly the way Nintendo normally advertises this product (or their image) is what separates them from the others.

[GTShotoKen]

Gaming Guru : Once, Myiamoto was asked the obsessional question : "what can you reply to those who claim that all your games have been targetting children", so he answered : "I do create challenges and it is not my fault if only children can appreciate them"...
Authentic gamers must not judge a book by its covers !

I feel like that's a pretty naive statement made by Myiamoto. If I was to create a challenging game that was full of rainbows, pink triangles, butch women and feminine guys that dress way too nice, I can't be surprised if the game is only a hit with the gay community.

Likewise, games like Leisure Suit Larry offer content and jokes that kids would never understand. If they can't relate to it, they're not going to be interested in it, and they won't buy it.

You won't find many girls playing the new Playboy game because most girls don't care about playing a video game that revolves around boobs.

My point is this, anyone can create a challenge...its the imagery you use to create your challenges that people associate with. Mario packin a bubble shooter doesn't really give much for older generations to relate to. Link swimming around in some cell shaded game with the cartoon graphics it has doesn't appeal to all the older audiences who are buying DOA: Ultimate and looking for how realistic the blood looks in the next best adventure game.

Is Myiamoto saying he simply can't create puzzles without using imagery that only appeals to kids? Sounds like a personal problem more than a problem with people judging a book by its cover.[/i]

Your statement is the most naive out of anyone here. How can you possibly relate to a videogame?

Graphics do not make a game, gameplay makes a game and Nintendo has it right on the money. Even if most of the games are cartoonish, they still offer fun and challenging gameplay, and besides; Nintendo's artstyles brake the mold and really fit the mood of the stories the games present. The graphical styles also keep the game feeling imaginative and, ironically, like a game.

If the developers have the same mind set that you have then games will look so "incredibly" real that you will become bored and probably disturbed at its appearance. I mean, look at the DOA series, especially DOAX; they sacrafice deep, engrousing, and overall satisfying gameplay for a showcase of pretty graphics; then there is Kakuto Chojin, Tao Fang, and Rumble Roses. I showcase these games because they are a perfect example of gameplay sacraficed for pretty and "realistic" graphics.

Myamoto is trying to say that he doesn't make his games for people who overshadow fun, challenging, and innovative gameplay for useless display of graphics. His new Zelda game that is coming out does not use cell shading like Windwaker, not because it would make the game seem more "adult", but because that particluar graphical style does not fit the mood that he is trying to present. The gameplay is still there though.

If realistic graphics will make the overall experience better or more enjoyable, then Myamoto will produce that particular game with realistic graphics, but if they don't then he will implement a graphical style that fits the game.

Most people who disown Nintendo, or do not appreciate their games usually haven't played them. :lol:

I am not a person who is all for Nintendo and shuns all other developers because I play more playstation and PC game than anything, but if someone comes and disrespects such a highly acclaimed and highly innovative company such as Nintendo then I get pretty angry. The games from or produced by Nintendo are partly the reason why the gaming is where it is today.

[Rigormortis]

When I play a game, I want that grit. That dirt. The blood, the sex, the sweat.

Gay ass Mario, and Linky boy don't do that 4 me. Its just me, 2 each is own right. Though one of my favoriate games of all time is the original Metroid for the NES.

4 me, when I play Nintendo ish, I feel like a chick. My grrl likes Nintendo, so does my little sis. I wanna play games like Manhunt and Riddick. Nintendo always tends to have this pussy vibe 2 it. But ehe, thats just me.

Some of my more sensitive dogs love off Nintendo. I never make fun of them though; whatever floats your boat.[/quote]

[cooljoe]

at the moment xbox is the better console with an awesome lineup of games and better grahics. but the one thing that makes it so much better than ps2 is its online capabilities. microsoft has done wonders with xbox live. having one service across all games with voice messaging and cross game invites, bieng able to see if my friend is playing halo 2 or amped while im playing project gotham 2 is one of the coolest things ever done on a console. also having a harddrive is so much of an advantage over the memory cards (i have 3 for all the games i have) another thing about the xbox is the controler. i love it for first person shooters and racing games, its perfect. dont get me wrong i have a ps2 and it has some great games, but is overshadowed by the awesomeness that is xbox. if sony doesnt get the hint about their online strategy from microsoft, i think xenon might just come out on top next generation. but of course its all opinion and i know i probablly pissed off a few people by typing this, but i too was once a ps2 fanboy and then i reaized it is definately best to have both awesome consoles. i for one will be getting both when they come out.

[Rallyracr420]

How can you possibly relate to a videogame?

While I won't necessarily relate to a game as a whole, I never said I would in the first place. I did say that you can relate to certain aspects of games, as games usually take something you know and expand on it to turn it into fantasy. All sports games you play are the sports you already know, but with stats and schedules of professional players. Adventure games are often relatable human characters who just have to overcome a great adversary. Fantasy games might have characters and races you're already familar with by reading fantasy books. There's a million different ways to relate to aspects of video games.

Now, as for Nintendo I give them plenty of credit for pushing video games as far as they have. They've been very innovative for the industry as a whole, and have entertained me for years. So don't go spazing out over one comment I made about one guy who works at Nintendo. They've had some awesome gameplay over the years, but so have quite a few other games. And other companies have done it without the kiddie wrapping that Nintendo packages so many of their games in. The fact remains that graphics are indeed part of what makes a game. If this wasn't the case, game review sites wouldn't bother giving 'graphics' a rating at all.

I'll also say that although I haven't played DOAX, or DOA:Ultimate, I love DOA 2 and 3. I played DOA2 first and was very disappointed because they didn't have special moves. But when I stumbled upon the depth yet ease of the countermove, I realized its one of the major features that makes the game stand out so much. The graphics are amazing, especially the landscapes. The game has some of the best timing I've seen in a fighting game.

His new Zelda game that is coming out does not use cell shading like Windwaker, not because it would make the game seem more "adult", but because that particluar graphical style does not fit the mood that he is trying to present.

Okay then, ask yourself what kind of mood is he trying to present? He's obviously moving away from the cartoonish look, which was associated with having a very young appearance to it. And if he's making it more realistic, consider reality a concept for older people. You don't find many older people watching Spongebob just the same way you don't find many kids watching Law & Order.

[amod20002004]

Graphics are not everything, gameplay is more important than graphics, I am absolutely agree with this statement, but it doesn’t mean that I should play a game which has better gamplay but absolutely cartoon/childish graphics. Old Zelda from gamcube is a best example. Too much childish graphics look may attract kids only. That is why I didn’t buy gamecube. That is why I have purchased ps2.
Wait, Sorry for this statement but I don’t want a war here.

[Ferrismc]

Sony biggest mistake was NOT BUILDING sufficient Online-Play features. If you think of ProEvolutionSOccer that will be online on Xbox but not PS2 it's a shame. I am just going to buy Xbox because of this. Online is feature. Just a sole console is not sufficient enough. Multimedia etc must be supported in the next-gen.

[amod20002004]

Sony biggest mistake was NOT BUILDING sufficient Online-Play features. If you think of ProEvolutionSOccer that will be online on Xbox but not PS2 it's a shame. I am just going to buy Xbox because of this. Online is feature. Just a sole console is not sufficient enough. Multimedia etc must be supported in the next-gen.
Yes, but you must have to pay for online play on xbox. Where as on ps2, you just don’t have to pay anything for online play.

[Domination]

at the moment xbox is the better console with an awesome lineup of games and better grahics. but the one thing that makes it so much better than ps2 is its online capabilities. microsoft has done wonders with xbox live. having one service across all games with voice messaging and cross game invites, bieng able to see if my friend is playing halo 2 or amped while im playing project gotham 2 is one of the coolest things ever done on a console. also having a harddrive is so much of an advantage over the memory cards (i have 3 for all the games i have) another thing about the xbox is the controler. i love it for first person shooters and racing games, its perfect. dont get me wrong i have a ps2 and it has some great games, but is overshadowed by the awesomeness that is xbox. if sony doesnt get the hint about their online strategy from microsoft, i think xenon might just come out on top next generation. but of course its all opinion and i know i probablly pissed off a few people by typing this, but i too was once a ps2 fanboy and then i reaized it is definately best to have both awesome consoles. i for one will be getting both when they come out.

Personal preference, that's all it is. I do agree with you, though; the Xbox is the most powerful console of the two....in it own right, but this is not what defines "better," generally speaking. Software is what I consider better, and,IMO, this is what the Xbox lack -- that and its controller.

Live is set up a lot better than PS Online, I do admit that, but it's nothing I would go paying for just to get the same effect I would get from a chat room for free. ...sorry. Of course that is my own opinion. Others may see entirely different, including yourself.

From a hardware stand point, the HDD was an alright feature to add to the Xbox, although it wasn't as innovative as I would have thought, but it did nothing more but hurt the sales of the Xbox more than anything -- causing Microsoft to rethink its entire design in the end, therefore, disappointing a lot of fans.

Both consoles have their weaknesses and strengths. It all comes down to the type of gamer you are is what makes these weakness and strengths stand out. :wink:

[Domination]

Sony biggest mistake was NOT BUILDING sufficient Online-Play features. If you think of ProEvolutionSOccer that will be online on Xbox but not PS2 it's a shame. I am just going to buy Xbox because of this. Online is feature. Just a sole console is not sufficient enough. Multimedia etc must be supported in the next-gen.

It wasn't a mistake, I'm pretty sure of it. I believe it wasn't the right time to implement a lot of these things. Sony did not lie about Cyber World neither. In fact, they delivered. Of course I mentioned this before. As normal, Sony is the most ambiguous firm you would probably ever meet. When they say something, you may hear it in a different way. Back when the PS2 first came to be, Sony was talking about how they world deliver an online community to that of any kind where you would hack into it like the Matrix and interact with any entertainment you wanted of your choosing. Now, this is when online was first coming out for the PlayStation. However, when we saw it, it was if Sony had lied, esspecially since Microsoft launched two years later with something slightly better. But, when you think about it, this online community Sony is/was talking about is nothing more than the PS9 when everything is complete. Which is probably why they had the message at the end stating, "This is only the beginning." They are delivering this Cyber World in small pieces at a time, which also explains why PS Online is not done through a personal server like Live is.

[amod20002004]

I personally think that xbox is not better than ps2 at all. Yes but xbox is a second best console to buy after ps2. Xbox has some serious flaws. It seriously lack in Third person action adventure games. Xbox has too many FPS. It seriously lacks in RPG department. And also some of the xbox games are lacks correct debut timing. Need example, Metal gear3, and GTA. Now tell me why should I wait for xbox version of these games say for more than 5 to 6 months when ps2 version is already available in the market.

[GTShotoKen]

Graphics are not everything, gameplay is more important than graphics, I am absolutely agree with this statement, but it doesn’t mean that I should play a game which has better gamplay but absolutely cartoon/childish graphics. Old Zelda from gamcube is a best example. Too much childish graphics look may attract kids only. That is why I didn’t buy gamecube. That is why I have purchased ps2.
Wait, Sorry for this statement but I don’t want a war here.

My bad, I guess I was alittle overzelous. lol :lol:

Actually, I was sort of turned off by the fact that Wind Waker had cel-shading, but when I finally got around to playing it; The game was incredibly well done and I really started to appreciate how the artstyle was original and how much meticulous detail Myamoto actually packed into the game. I also was surprised about how many fans were missing out on an absolutely supurb experience for the same reason that you and others present.

I completely understand where you are coming from, but I do believe that you are missing out on a fantastic gaming experience.

Well anyways, my gripes are passed and I guess we do need to get off this subject before a war starts.

Hey Amod, I see from your avatar that you like Half-life and I seriously recommend that you go and read the article, "The Final Hours of Half-life 2" at gamespot. I am seriously expecting great things from this game because Valve does not settle for anything less than perfection :wink: . I wounder If Valve will recode the Source Engine to take advantage of the PS3 when Half-life 2 ports to the PS3? :?

[amod20002004]

Yes, Half life2 is going to be a great game. And I am looking forward to ps3 version of the game. I think ps3 version will look even better than what we have seen.