Mac users lie

[Gegenki]

I just read an article written by a guy with a mac. He said that his mac crashes as much as his PC which is about once a week.
Ok...... I though macs almost never crashed. FIne whatever
I remember a while back (after OS X had been released) there was a thread about how Mac has its first virus.
I just found on the mac site that OS X comes with mcafee. Im not sayin mac is bad, but is all the good stuff I heard about mac before true?

[klaymen]

well, we use ibooks at my school, and from my experience, macs crash just as much if not more than pc's. programs soetimes just quit randomly without letting you save or anything. then there is this one thing that i really love: the screen dims, then a little box comes up and says that you have to restart your computer. no explanation. no reason. and you can't do anything besides restart it by holding down the power button. god, i love macs.

[PeanutButterMunky]

That guy was an idiot. Macs (running OS X) don't crash nearly as much as PCs do, and I own both. And I run many application at once, and it has yet to crash. It's very stable due to the fact that it runs under a UNIX core.

I don't know what you're talking about with the iBook thing, but that is an OS 9 feature. I haven't seen that in OS X...of course...mine hasn't crashed yet. OS 9 ALWAYS crashed, but I don't have that problem now since I got a new computer.

Mac OS X doesn't need McAfee, and that rumor about the first virus was just a rumor. There have been no successful viruses writtten for OS X yet...and yes...this was on the good ol news (CNN).

Mac OS X has has about a million times better RAM allocation for multi-tasking then Windows. I've had both for years...and Windows was my choice until OS X. They both have their pros and cons...but I will ultimately choose a Mac now anyday over a Windows PC.

Once of week? He's an idiot. He probably has spyware on his computer without knowing it. That's just one user's opinion, so others may have different experiences and opinions. But for a fact I know that OS X is INSANELY more stable than it's Windows counterpart. If you can manage to crash OS X...you're probably not doing something right...or something is wrong with your computer...

[Gegenki]

maybe he was running OS 9
I'm interested in buying a mac in.... 2007 - lol
I can't find any good places to buy them. I want to open up a website that will help me save but I can't think of anything to put up.

[PeanutButterMunky]

maybe he was running OS 9
I'm interested in buying a mac in.... 2007 - lol
I can't find any good places to buy them. I want to open up a website that will help me save but I can't think of anything to put up.Well I can't help ya there. The best place is on apple's official webpage. They have discounts as well for college students. Either that or eBay, but I don't trust what ppl do to their Apple PCs. And it's all about personal preference anyway.

Good luck with the website thing...

[senas8]

WTF is that guy talking about ..I use a PowerBook G4....yeah it crashes....but not like windows which I was using since 1995...used a mac for the last 3 years now.

[Rallyracr420]

I would love to use OSX on a PC. Its extremely user friendly and rarely crashes. Overall Macs are pretty bomb except for their 2 drawbacks. One, their having only proprietary hardware to run Mac software runs up the prices and hurts the choices we have as consumers. Two, because of this business model Macs aren't very widespread and your software choices are very limited compared to Windows and Linux PCs.

[PeanutButterMunky]

I would love to use OSX on a PC. Its extremely user friendly and rarely crashes. Overall Macs are pretty bomb except for their 2 drawbacks. One, their having only proprietary hardware to run Mac software runs up the prices and hurts the choices we have as consumers. Two, because of this business model Macs aren't very widespread and your software choices are very limited compared to Windows and Linux PCs.Yeah...but there is so much more software now for OS X then there ever has been and it's still growing, because a lot more companies are realizing its potential. Software usually runs better on the Mac anyway, though...for example...Microsoft actually made Office better on OS X than it did for its own Windows version.

There's a boatload of useful software now for OS X...just go to http://www.macupdate.com for proof.

[SumDeus]

Using X11 (standard on OS X) you can run just about on Linux/Unix app you want.

[The_One]

The truth is... Mac DOESN'T crash as often as Windows... And it's kernel is MUCH mor efficient (Did you know that Windows itself waste 60-70% of your CPU Cycles? That's right, you're only getting out 30-40% of your total CPU speed, so if you have a 1.5Ghz P3, the true speed your comp would be running at would be ~500Mhz).

[Gegenki]

there are certain things about windows that are so obvious such as the Master File Table problem.
It causes random crashes a little while down the line but they don't fix it!!!
All they need is a program or function to automatically extend it!
Why! What! How come Windows is wasting my cycles! This is unexceptable! What is this about?

[PeanutButterMunky]

^^^^^^

It's called crappy RAM allocation. OS X has efficient RAM-allocation built into the core...while Windows...well...it sucks up your CPU usage for useless random tasks that you could live without, on top of improper distribution of computing power. That's why I usually call it WinSuck...

[Gegenki]

yea - but why dont they fix it. Dey are so stupid - Im downloading mandrake :D
But I have to say the ram is really crap on windows.

[cpiasminc]

It's because Windows is borne out of a heritage of code that dates back all the way to 1982. Every single thing that has ever been in a PC OS is still there in Windows, even though much of it is just sitting there doing nothing. It's one of the pangs of the whole 'COM is the secret of the universe' credo that Microsoft was pushing so hard for so long. There is the one hand that they like to say that it solves all problems of software versioning... Except that it doesn't do anything about versioning of bugs. There's no hard line as to what constitutes "brokenness", so one day, Windows software will have features that are rewritten, and then another day, a whole new interface will be written, and the old buggy version will still sit there because "you need it for backwards compatibility"...

All this old garbage sitting there just adds up and makes something ultra fragile. I like Bob Colwell's analogy -- A huge stack of ladders that rest against each other and are just barely balanced with a single person climbing up to the top of the pile to do his work on some high spot. The big stack of ladders helps him get the job done, all right. Of course, this system of counterbalancing ladders is incredibly complex, and also very fragile. A little slip could destroy everything.

Well, Longhorn is supposed to kill all of that and essentially become a lot closer to OSX... actually, it'll pretty much be OSX... relational database-driven file system, GPU-driven GUI, no more Win32, no more MFC, VM kernel, etc. It's just been so horribly delayed that we don't really know how well it will really work or how many of those promises will really happen.

[Gegenki]

yo where did u find all that out - sounds interesting. From what i've seen and read I want to get longhorn - but i havent seen anything like what u just wrote. It would be so great if they get rid of the rubbish.
What does a GPU driven GUI mean for windows. Does it matter?
Does that mean! When your doing CPU intensive things, the screen will still be updated because its on the GPU!!! That would be good. No more freezing out rubbishness when somethin weird happens.

Is it hard to switch from a pc to a mac?

[PeanutButterMunky]

Is it hard to switch from a pc to a mac?I didn't have a problem. But it's different for everyone. It all depends on what you want out the computer you're using. With a Windows PC...I could never learn everything about it. With OS X...I know every square inch of it. And the Unix program "Terminal" I really enjoy, and it's WAY more powerful than DOS.

[cpiasminc]

yo where did u find all that out - sounds interesting. From what i've seen and read I want to get longhorn - but i havent seen anything like what u just wrote. It would be so great if they get rid of the rubbish.
What does a GPU driven GUI mean for windows. Does it matter?
Does that mean! When your doing CPU intensive things, the screen will still be updated because its on the GPU!!! That would be good. No more freezing out rubbishness when somethin weird happens.
Everything I mentioned all came from expo and seminar presentations. Longhorn (codename really, like the way Windows 95 was called 'Chicago') has been the talk of WinHEC for years.

Also, many of the developers have their own personal blogs where they've kept info open to anyone who wants to read.

While the file system storage will still technically be NTFS, there will be a search key file that will be a massive XML database. No more of those thumbs.db files -- everything will be sitting in a monolithic database that will hold a massive collection of keynote info about the files. And because it's based on an XML schema, a user can add all sorts of extra ancillary info about files without having to affect any other data. Also... NO MORE REGISTRY!! Instead, it will go back to the old-fashioned separate INI-file system, and each one... yep XML.

As for the GPU-driven GUI... I'm referring to the fact that there will be no more MFC, no more Win32 API, no nothing. There will still be drivers for backward compatibility, but when programming for Longhorn, no Windows API. Instead, it will all be done in DirectX. Instead of hooking into Windows and requesting contexts... You just draw a bunch of polygons -- that's your window. It's all new to Windows, but like the relational database on the file system, this is something OSX already had.

Also, everything will run on .NET CLR. In short, the OS will run on a virtual machine language (MS-Intermediate Language, they call it). Executables will all compile to IL bytecode, the OS will be in IL bytecode. The only machine code will be the IL JIT. So one of the goals here is to have Longhorn also run on arbitrary hardware... yep, Windows for PPC and Windows for Ultrasparc and Windows for MIPS, etc.

Either way, the first we'll ever see of Longhorn is the fact that a minimalistic version of it will serve as the Xbox2 OS. Much the same way that a minimal Win2k kernel was the Xbox OS.

[PeanutButterMunky]

Yeah...you kind of know a lot...I don't know if you've noticed that =) They are really using a minimalized version of Longhorn in the Xbox2? I heard they were using a modified version of the Apple Mac G5, just much more powerful. Will they still be running Longhorn anyway??? *no idea what I'm talking about*

[cpiasminc]

They are really using a minimalized version of Longhorn in the Xbox2? I heard they were using a modified version of the Apple Mac G5, just much more powerful. Will they still be running Longhorn anyway???
Yep. Like I said, one of the key things about Longhorn is that everything runs on .NET CLR (Common Language Runtime). Essentially, a bytecode VM language like Java bytecode, but a little more extensive so that it translates a little more cleanly to normal machine code, and also natively object-oriented. Again, like Java, the executables compile to bytecode and are JIT ("just in time") compiled to machine code at runtime, so as long as the JIT is available for some platform, any software compiled to MSIL will run on that platform.

And yes, Microsoft plans to release the Longhorn OS itself on Apple hardware in time.

Microsoft promises that this whole system of JIT compilation and running all software on a virtual machine only costs you around a 5% performance drop.

[axia777]

One argument that I often find hallarious is when Mac users swear that Macs don't crash. What a laugh! :lol: Macs crash often enough, same as PC's. What a joke.....

[PeanutButterMunky]

One argument that I often find hallarious is when Mac users swear that Macs don't crash. What a laugh! Laughing Macs crash often enough, same as PC's. What a joke.....It's funny how people think Macs just suck in general. I own a Windows PC and an Apple PC and the Windows one crashes about 15 times more than than one running OS X. DO you own a Mac? Or are you just flat out saying that out of a blind, fabricated nothingness? Of course Macs crash...all computers crash...game consoles crash...Palm handhelds crash...to say they NEVER crash is damned ridiculous. I've had much less problems with my Apple PC. There are ignorant Mac users, and just as many ignorant Windows users who will argue things to the grave. OS X is more stable though...and that's a fact...and Microsoft is developing their new OS to be a LOT more like it...so...you be the judge.

It's all about personal preference...

[axia777]

One argument that I often find hallarious is when Mac users swear that Macs don't crash. What a laugh! Laughing Macs crash often enough, same as PC's. What a joke.....It's funny how people think Macs just suck in general. I own a Windows PC and an Apple PC and the Windows one crashes about 15 times more than than one running OS X. DO you own a Mac? Or are you just flat out saying that out of a blind, fabricated nothingness? Of course Macs crash...all computers crash...game consoles crash...Palm handhelds crash...to say they NEVER crash is damned ridiculous. I've had much less problems with my Apple PC. There are ignorant Mac users, and just as many ignorant Windows users who will argue things to the grave. OS X is more stable though...and that's a fact...and Microsoft is developing their new OS to be a LOT more like it...so...you be the judge.

It's all about personal preference...

Hey man, did I EVER say Macs suck? Huh, did I? NO, I did not. I use both, Mac and Windows OS PC. We have both high end PC's and G5's at my school. Both have their uses, both have thier weaknesses. I was just refering to the "Mac Fanatics" that swear by their very soul that Macs don't crash, ever. Have I meet many? Yes I have, all over the place. It seems like you boarder in the "Mac Fanatic" fringe judging from your emotinal and empassioned response. The 'Mac Fanatic's" are a funny bunch. But what ever man, I know the diffrence between a PC and a Mac. We use OS X at my school on both G5's and G4's. I have NEVER had as many internet crashes on my PC at home as on the G5's at school. One funny error that I found is that the browser's, either IE or Mozilla, does not recognize web sites immediantly and says that they do not exsist. What is the problem? You tell me cause I don't know. It happens often enough on all the G5's and G4's that I use. But then IE freezes on PC's often enough as well. Hell, I would reather be useing Linux but my wife likes Windows XP and won't let me switch over. And with one PC in the house I am pretty much screwed on that matter. :x Oh well.....

[PeanutButterMunky]

Hey man, did I EVER say Macs suck? Huh, did I? NO, I did not. I use both, Mac and Windows OS PC. We have both high end PC's and G5's at my school. Both have their uses, both have thier weaknesses. I was just refering to the "Mac Fanatics" that swear by their very soul that Macs don't crash, ever. Have I meet many? Yes I have, all over the place. It seems like you boarder in the "Mac Fanatic" fringe judging from your emotinal and empassioned response. The 'Mac Fanatic's" are a funny bunch. But what ever man, I know the diffrence between a PC and a Mac. We use OS X at my school on both G5's and G4's. I have NEVER had as many internet crashes on my PC at home as on the G5's at school. One funny error that I found is that the browser's, either IE or Mozilla, does not recognize web sites immediantly and says that they do not exsist. What is the problem? You tell me cause I don't know. It happens often enough on all the G5's and G4's that I use. But then IE freezes on PC's often enough as well. Hell, I would reather be useing Linux but my wife likes Windows XP and won't let me switch over. And with one PC in the house I am pretty much screwed on that matter. :x Oh well.....Why aren't you using Safari on OS X? That should be the only thing to use on OS X...you'll have far less trouble using that than a sh*tty Microsoft app such as IE. Nothing compares to Safari running on OS X. And yes...they both have their pros and cons....that's why I have both...

[axia777]

Hey man, did I EVER say Macs suck? Huh, did I? NO, I did not. I use both, Mac and Windows OS PC. We have both high end PC's and G5's at my school. Both have their uses, both have thier weaknesses. I was just refering to the "Mac Fanatics" that swear by their very soul that Macs don't crash, ever. Have I meet many? Yes I have, all over the place. It seems like you boarder in the "Mac Fanatic" fringe judging from your emotinal and empassioned response. The 'Mac Fanatic's" are a funny bunch. But what ever man, I know the diffrence between a PC and a Mac. We use OS X at my school on both G5's and G4's. I have NEVER had as many internet crashes on my PC at home as on the G5's at school. One funny error that I found is that the browser's, either IE or Mozilla, does not recognize web sites immediantly and says that they do not exsist. What is the problem? You tell me cause I don't know. It happens often enough on all the G5's and G4's that I use. But then IE freezes on PC's often enough as well. Hell, I would reather be useing Linux but my wife likes Windows XP and won't let me switch over. And with one PC in the house I am pretty much screwed on that matter. :x Oh well.....Why aren't you using Safari on OS X? That should be the only thing to use on OS X...you'll have far less trouble using that than a sh*tty Microsoft app such as IE. Nothing compares to Safari running on OS X. And yes...they both have their pros and cons....that's why I have both...

Uh, because like I said, they are school computers. I cannot just go installing anything I want on them. I would own a Mac as well, if I had the extra loot that it takes to buy one. Such is the life of a college student.

[Gegenki]

well.... Every PC user I know believes macs never crash due to the hype they have heard from mac users! And same here!
I have to say that my Windows XP crashes about once every two weeks and i go mad if it does crash. It crashed 2 days ago because i had a cd-rw in???? The PC woudlnt even boot so that isnt even down to Windows.
I've got Norton installed. I have a virus scan at 8 on Friday. I set the afinity to CPU 1 and keep doing whatever i'm doing. Haven't had a virus since august, even after I ran a cd with infected files. August is when i last reformatted the drive (yes, SP2 craps up another computer) Once you have SP2 on it is quite usefull. It stops random ActiveX even beginning to download.

Oh wait!!! I remember. A weird one to do with norton. A message box comes up during shut down and freezes it. I don't know why but i think its linked to when my computer isn't on very long. I have no idea. That one shows about once a week. If anyone can help me with that, then everything will be perfect.

btw - i thought i'd slip this in. I brought a 52x cd from my school, wrote mandrake disc 3 to it. Wrote at 52x (like the other 2 disks, not sure bout the speed of those ones). Mandrake installation wouldnt read it. but it read the other 2 disks??? and for some reason the disk write took near 10mins????? 700MB at 52x in 10mins makes no sense. Any ideas???
~I want to see what linux can do!!!!~

[Neon Sentry]

Well, my comp rarely crashes

I used to have some serious performance problems before Mozilla, but that pretty much solved all of it. Although, I do have to open up the Task Manager to end useless processes that I've disabled from startup, yet are still run nonetheless(???) for some reason or another...

My last crash was... um... um... well... I can't remember :shock: ... and that's not just the bad memory talking

My experiences on Macs has not been very good... I was forced to use a Mac every school day for a year for my video editing... believe me, while it offered up some nice stability, I couldn't... get it... to work! The right click served almost no purpose, and even after a year the file browsing system seemed horribly inefficient. Sure, it may work at the moment it's supposed to, but that doesn't mean it works well. I've had more than my share of Mac crashes (it crashes several times in one session everytime I attempted to open a Premiere file... I transferred it to another comp, and it opened right up??? This doesn't make any sense!!!!

Anyhoo, I've got no real point... just that I've been extraordinarily lucky with XP and have had extraordinarily shitty luck with OSX

But, then again... I am somehwat biased :?

[PeanutButterMunky]

Uh, because like I said, they are school computers. I cannot just go installing anything I want on them. I would own a Mac as well, if I had the extra loot that it takes to buy one. Such is the life of a college student.Safari should come standard on OS X, unless the school removed it, which they do sometimes. I had a video editing class using OS X, and the computers there f*cking sucked. I don't know what they do to it to make it suck so much. They probably put so much crap on there and never delete it. And I guess some people are just unfortunate. I never use school-run Macs, because the school has no idea wtf they're doing...

And it's ok to be biased, if you've used both. Whatever works the best for you, that's what you should use. And again...that's why I HAVE BOTH :cry:

[lepermesiah]

Well i dont like to be biased but i guess im not because i have tried both and i do prefer pc to mac. I just dont like the setup for macs and with the experiences ive had with macs i believe pc's to be faster. But yet at the same time that could just be me, i guess it all just depends.