Tecmo Prez Takes Shots at PS3

[GUNDAMSEED]

November 19, 2004 - Tecmo president Junji Nakamura took a few shots at Sony Computer Entertainment's next generation offerings earlier today during Tecmo's quarterly press briefing in Tokyo. Regarding SCE's push for the PlayStation 3, Nakamura said: "We don't feel the heat." This is in comparison to Microsoft's heated worldwide lobbying efforts for developers to develop product for the next generation Xbox system.

Nakamura's comments didn't end there. "There's no information from Sony. It's very different from Microsoft America," he stated, hinting that MS has been the more open of the two companies with its next generation plans. Getting a bit more up front in his criticisms, Nakamura commented that Sony's cooperation with the home appliance industry gives him the feeling that game functionality is being added as just a part of the picture.

While Nakamura feels that the Xbox is going nowhere in Japan, the next generation Xbox has a different fate in his eyes. Nakamura expects Microsoft to make use of the experience it earned in this generation to make the system a "formidable success" in Japan.

We'd suggest that Dead or Alive fans be in line for Xbox Next on launch day.

Don't know if this had been posted before , but any way maybe because they are coming out after but any way i could care less about temco DOA not best fighter in world and NG well DMC3 will answer that since i played the demo .

[Grandia]

November 19, 2004 - Tecmo president Junji Nakamura took a few shots at Sony Computer Entertainment's next generation offerings earlier today during Tecmo's quarterly press briefing in Tokyo. Regarding SCE's push for the PlayStation 3, Nakamura said: "We don't feel the heat." This is in comparison to Microsoft's heated worldwide lobbying efforts for developers to develop product for the next generation Xbox system.

Nakamura's comments didn't end there. "There's no information from Sony. It's very different from Microsoft America," he stated, hinting that MS has been the more open of the two companies with its next generation plans. Getting a bit more up front in his criticisms, Nakamura commented that Sony's cooperation with the home appliance industry gives him the feeling that game functionality is being added as just a part of the picture.

While Nakamura feels that the Xbox is going nowhere in Japan, the next generation Xbox has a different fate in his eyes. Nakamura expects Microsoft to make use of the experience it earned in this generation to make the system a "formidable success" in Japan.

We'd suggest that Dead or Alive fans be in line for Xbox Next on launch day.

Don't know if this had been posted before , but any way maybe because they are coming out after but any way i could care less about temco DOA not best fighter in world and NG well DMC3 will answer that since i played the demo .

I saw this just now. Xbox fans are having a field day with it.

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=310317

Makes me so mad though. I hope the PS3 crushes the Xenon...Doesn't look good at the moment though.

[Marjoh]

MS paid them a crap load of money for the DOA properties. I swear, they are starting to sound like Shinji Mikami. What do they expect? The PS3 is probably still in its early stage compare to Xenon. And Sony is an all-around electronic giant, of course PS3 is not the only thing they are cooking. You don't see the other bigger company complaining. They're lucky I love their Ninja Gaiden.

[Marjoh]

I saw this just now. Xbox fans are having a field day with it.

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=310317

Makes me so mad though. I hope the PS3 crushes the Xenon...Doesn't look good at the moment though.

LOL. Don't pay attention to those guys over @ TeamXbox. I swear, their comments are just unbelievable. Specially when it comes to next-gen.

[Rallyracr420]

Don't stress. While I will definitely miss DOA on PS3, you gotta remember that the XBoxNext is on a development cycle that's way ahead of both the Revolution and the PS3.

Sony doesn't need to sweat it out at all yet. They have their cards in line and are waiting for the right time for the world to see. Even the closest estimate we have for a PS3 release date was made by a guy from EA. He said that Sony's console will be 6 months behind Microsoft's. Sony hasn't said this, and neither has anybody else.

If Sony does this right, they can wait for the XBoxNext hype to come and go before they even say anything about the PS3. This way the XBoxNext will feel the fate of Sega's Dreamcast.

[Junox50]

I swear sometimes i think tecmo kisses microsofts behind way too much.

in my game informer magazine the DOA creator said that whatever console is the most powerful is the one he will most likely develop for. If PS3 ends up more powerful what is tecmo going to do? Are they going to stay on with Microsoft or will they float to sony and start kissing their behinds?

[JoshD]

1) The leader of Team Ninja hates programming for the PS2... so he stoppd.

2) Microsoft is more open because they are launching first. Everything Tecmo knows, Sony knows. Microsoft is showing their hand early hoping others to jump on. Sony can easily beat those specs and dominate the market once again. Either MS is lying to Tecmo (in order to conceal what they are doing) or they have made a grave error in showing their hand early.

[GUNDAMSEED]

Man the leader of TN is lazy i have said this many times . to think after 3 years it took to make NG that best they could do i mean it look good but game play was far being anything great i take dmc FCS(free combo system) over SCS.(string combo system ) . to make matter worst when they ask him why is it auto combo he said xbox could not do it FCS . Then later he said he wanted to but did not have the time . It could also be that SONY does not think tecmo are that big . I sure the big boys like EA, SE,CAPCOM,NAMCO etc know more than them about what's going on .

[Scott R. Mraz]

1) The leader of Team Ninja hates programming for the PS2... so he stoppd.

2) Microsoft is more open because they are launching first. Everything Tecmo knows, Sony knows. Microsoft is showing their hand early hoping others to jump on. Sony can easily beat those specs and dominate the market once again. Either MS is lying to Tecmo (in order to conceal what they are doing) or they have made a grave error in showing their hand early.

3) No one cares about tecmo's shitty games anyway. I dont understand why anyone would give a damn- were better off without a second rate publisher infecting the market with crap.

[Xeno]

Tecmo is probably pissed because Sony hasn't even looked in their direction for a next gen title :lol:

Why would Sony bother going Tecmo's way for games like Ninja Gaiden and DOA when Sony already has similar games like Devil May Cry and Tekken which are successful :idea:

Shibusawa jokingly said he's forbidden to say anything about the capabilities of Sony's next-generation console, but he did say he expects to very closely replicate the appearance of the actors from the film in the game.

Does he know something the Tecmo rep. doesnt? :)

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3135945



3) No one cares about tecmo's shitty games anyway. I dont understand why anyone would give a damn- were better off without a second rate publisher infecting the market with crap.

Very well put :wink:

[PeanutButterMunky]

Tecmo sucks and I couldn't care less what they think of the next-gen consoles. They made a direct port from Dreamcast's Dead or Alive game to the PlayStation 2 because they said the PS2 couldn't handle anything better. Yeah...way to go..."Virtua Fighter"...*cough*...idiots. They have no idea what they're talking about. Microsoft this, Microsoft that. Kissing butt will eventually infect their mouths with much sh*t... :roll:

Non-biased opinions are the only ones I want to hear... :wink:

[SERAPHIM]

I believe all games are good if they have great gameplay and good graphics. Ninja Gaiden had it. But don't diss Tecmo for their games. Even though I don't play Tecmo games that often, I just can't see why you guys say that about someone's work. Thats just wrong. I mean thats like criticizing someone on their art. And even though Tecmo focuses a bit more on graphics (bouncing jugs :wink: ) its still something I respect because of the work they did.

Now to Why the prez said what he said. I'm sorry to say guys.. but if you don't see whats going on you guys must have short-memory spans (not diss BTW). Obviously the prez is praising Microsoft for their actions. The reason why? The release.

Back in 2000, I remember when the PS2 came out. All the hype and shinanigans... blagh blagh blagh. Oh well. One of teh reasons PS2 sold alot was because it was released earlier than all of the other systems. Not only that XBOX was a new system. And Gamecube was a bit tarnished for their "Kiddy" image. Oh well.

Now as I mentioned before XBOX was a NEW system guys. Sony had a fanbase of 5-6 years backing them up. XBOX hadn't even been heard of. Now you see I have all three systems. And even though I don't want Playstation 2 fanboys to rip me to shreds, I like my XBOX more than any of the three systems. And to tell you the truth my Gamecube comes in second. So that only leaves my Playstation 2 in one more spot. Now all systems are great, but I prefer some more than others.

Now... XBOX has a fanbase. And they are taking Sony's approach at things. Strike while the iron's hot. They are going to try to swoo the Sony fanbase while they wait yet another year (or so I guess) for the PS3. Now from what I have seen, the gaming community lacks a VERY BIG virtue... Patience.. They practically steal anything that is worth waiting for.(And yes guys the Xenon is worth waiting for). Look at Halo 2 and Half-Life 2 for example.

Even though you guys are looking at his comments from a gamers point of view, I'm looking at him from a business point of you. And my statement to the prez of Tecmo is "More power to ya".

[solidus]

Tecmo is a company that takes the easy way and, like now, take shots at other consoles, which in this case is the Playstation 2. I have no respect for that.

Tecmo says they feel the Xbox' heat, i for one take that as a bad thing. They're pushing developers to trade their current gen developing tools for the next-gen's while there's no need to do so now seeing there's still enough money to be made with current gen consoles.
Obviously the prez is praising Microsoft for their actions. The reason why? The release.
The Dreamcast is a console which failed because of the early release and ofcourse some other factors.
Now as I mentioned before XBOX was a NEW system guys. Sony had a fanbase of 5-6 years backing them up. XBOX hadn't even been heard of.
With the release of the ps1 Sony didn't have a 5 year fanbase behind them but they still dominated the console scene.

Developers waited to develop for the Playstation before (DC-Ps2) and they will do so again (Xenon-Ps3).

[BigPapaSmurf]

Tecmo is probably pissed because Sony hasn't even looked in their direction for a next gen title Laughing

Why would Sony bother going Tecmo's way for games like Ninja Gaiden and DOA when Sony already has similar games like Devil May Cry and Tekken which are successful

while that may be true i still would like it if i can have the choice to play ninja gaiden and doa. microsoft is probably paying tecmo to make an exclusive game for xenon's launch so that's why they are so pro m$.

[kevindenoyette]

. microsoft is probably paying tecmo to make an exclusive game for xenon's launch so that's why they are so pro m$.

ding ding ding, we have a winner.

[julps31]

Sony's doing everything they should to get the word out about the PS3. With OpenGL support, collada, and Blu-ray you can't say, "i'm not feeling the heat". I feel that Sonys going to have all the good PS3 info early next year. Plus the reason the developers don't have the hardware yet is because its not ready. Until the graphics workstations are out Sony doesn't have anything to give to the developers, because they've been working so hard on the Cell. Take that Tecmo. Developer for the most powerful console. :roll:

[SERAPHIM]

Developers waited to develop for the Playstation before (DC-Ps2) and they will do so again (Xenon-Ps3).


There is a difference between then and now. I don't think you know, but developers absolutely hate programing for the PS2. The PS2 is the hardest console to program for. The XBOX being the easiest. And Im GUESSING that because of this the developers this time wont go "No lets pass on this one, lets wait for Sony". Alot of the developers that got teh developing kits for the Xenon are very happy with the simplicity of it.

Not only that Microsoft succeeded in making the XBOX very famous. The fanbase is growing steadily everyday. And Sony doesnt seem to be affecting that fanbase very much. In fact alot of my friends are planning to buy the PS3. BUT they said they will probably buy the Xenon as well. I myself am thinking of buying all three.

No one can say that the Xenon will be like the Dreamcast all over again. to tell you the truth.. the Playstation 2 din't kill teh dreamcast... it killed itself. If you research more into what REALLY happened to the Dreamcast , the Playstation 2 played a relatively small part in its demise.

[solidus]

I know exactly what happened to the DC, no need for you to tell me what "REALLY" happened.

Developers don't hate developing for the Ps2, it currently boasts the most developement support. The Ps2 is however is hard to develop for but that doesn't mean developers hate it except maybe Tecmo and Bungie, we all know why.
It is a fact the Xbox and GC are easier to develop for because of it's familiar architecture.
Developers aknowledge the fact the Ps2 is hard to develop for but they still develop for it and have faith in other Playstation hardware, the Psp has been overwhelmed with development support from the start.

[Domination]

1) The leader of Team Ninja hates programming for the PS2... so he stoppd.

2) Microsoft is more open because they are launching first. Everything Tecmo knows, Sony knows. Microsoft is showing their hand early hoping others to jump on. Sony can easily beat those specs and dominate the market once again. Either MS is lying to Tecmo (in order to conceal what they are doing) or they have made a grave error in showing their hand early.

I was just going to say this. Why would a company launching LATE be so arrogant as to show their hand first just so their competition can use it ahead of time? That's just bad management all together.

Although I don't believe Microsoft's next console will become the Dreamcast (due to them having more fundings), I do believe they could lose a few exclusive developers from this generation.

If Team Ninja doesn't develop exclusively for the PS3 next-gen (Of course if it does happen the be most powerful), It wouldn't be the least bit surprising at all since they chose the DS over the PSP. :? I'm assuming that their resent comments about having a stronger console was only said to direct the fire away from them.

[Domination]

Developers waited to develop for the Playstation before (DC-Ps2) and they will do so again (Xenon-Ps3).


There is a difference between then and now. I don't think you know, but developers absolutely hate programing for the PS2. The PS2 is the hardest console to program for. The XBOX being the easiest. And Im GUESSING that because of this the developers this time wont go "No lets pass on this one, lets wait for Sony". Alot of the developers that got teh developing kits for the Xenon are very happy with the simplicity of it.

Not only that Microsoft succeeded in making the XBOX very famous. The fanbase is growing steadily everyday. And Sony doesnt seem to be affecting that fanbase very much. In fact alot of my friends are planning to buy the PS3. BUT they said they will probably buy the Xenon as well. I myself am thinking of buying all three.

No one can say that the Xenon will be like the Dreamcast all over again. to tell you the truth.. the Playstation 2 din't kill teh dreamcast... it killed itself. If you research more into what REALLY happened to the Dreamcast , the Playstation 2 played a relatively small part in its demise.

I'm sorry, but the PS2 DID kill the Dreamcast. This was even mentioned by the main man himself, the CEO. The way he told the story, the Saturn was a failure because it showed no signs of unoriginality. The controller was pretty much the same from the previous Sega console and the hardware was close to equal to the PlayStation with the lack of any good titles that gamers were interested in. Sega lost around 1 million on the Saturn and desided to canned the console for something new, the Dreamcast.

When the Dreamcast was built, it was revamped beyond people's expectations (gaining tons of hype) while given an analogue stick(s) to rival Sony's machine alone with other new and inproved capabilities. When the Dreamcast launched the market, it immediatedly picked up in sales. I believe it was stated that the console sold more units on its first launch than any console of its time. The sales continued strong until Sony announced the PS2. With a much more poweful console,with online capabilities, and a built-in DVD player, Sega tried to compete by dropping the price of the Dreamcast with bundled software and accessories and even giving some of the consoles away for free as prizes. The market didn't bite.Eventually, Sega's Dreamcast sales dropped tremendously and eventually stopped dead in its tracks. Sega then found that they had more in stock and in production than what they had sold, losing close to a half of a billion dollars on the Dreamcast. From there, Sega stop making consoles and sold what was left in stock. Then turned away from the console market.

There is no doubt that Sony was the biggest threat and hit to Sega's fall in the console war. They were also competing directly with Sega before they were doing so well. So, who ever told you the PS2 didn't kill the Dreamcast has decieved you greatly.

[SERAPHIM]

Exactly. The hardware wasnt selling anymore because of the Playstation 2. But it was actually their own fault. They made too many units that were never sold. Hence why they went into debt.

[solidus]

I assume we all know the reason behind Sega's failure, it started with the Saturn and ended with the DC. Let's not go off-topic any more.

[Domination]

Exactly. The hardware wasnt selling anymore because of the Playstation 2. But it was actually their own fault. They made too many units that were never sold. Hence why they went into debt.

You must not have listen to word I said. The Dreamcast was doing fine. Actually, it was doing great until Sony started hyping the hell out of their console and people began looking at how advance the console was over the Dreamcast. The PS2 Killed the Dreamcast, no ifs,ands, or buts about it. It killed it.

If their sales were doing this great, it only made since for them to produce more consoles to keep the shelves stocked to continue their reign. It is what any company would have done. Hell, look at Microsoft when they first started out. Look at Nintendo. Look at Sony. Sega made a good move, but the hype and power behind Sony's product was just too great for it to bare such a blow.

[Domination]

I assume we all know the reason behind Sega's failure, it started with the Saturn and ended with the GC. Let's not go off-topic any more.

How could it have ended with the Game Cube if Nintendo's console was about two years away? Yet, Sony was so close with a hot line-up and better features and hardware? It doesn't make since and neither would the President of Sega if he thought otherwise.

[solidus]

My bad, it's not the first time i mixed DC and GC up. Obviously i mean DC.

[BigPapaSmurf]

Developers don't hate developing for the Ps2, it currently boasts the most developement support. The Ps2 is however is hard to develop for but that doesn't mean developers hate it except maybe Tecmo and Bungie, we all know why.
It is a fact the Xbox and GC are easier to develop for because of it's familiar architecture.
Developers aknowledge the fact the Ps2 is hard to develop for but they still develop for it and have faith in other Playstation hardware, the Psp has been overwhelmed with development support from the start.

oh come on man. you know the only reason those companies are developing for the ps2 is because they are the market leader and they are leading by a hell of alot too. you dont think those game makers would rather save the money from shortening the development costs of the games made for the ps2? all the developers all have faith in the playstation hardware as long it's the market leader. remember at the end of the day it's all about the all mighty dollar and what system will give it to you.

[GUNDAMSEED]

Developers don't hate developing for the Ps2, it currently boasts the most developement support. The Ps2 is however is hard to develop for but that doesn't mean developers hate it except maybe Tecmo and Bungie, we all know why.
It is a fact the Xbox and GC are easier to develop for because of it's familiar architecture.
Developers aknowledge the fact the Ps2 is hard to develop for but they still develop for it and have faith in other Playstation hardware, the Psp has been overwhelmed with development support from the start.

oh come on man. you know the only reason those companies are developing for the ps2 is because they are the market leader and they are leading by a hell of alot too. you dont think those game makers would rather save the money from shortening the development costs of the games made for the ps2? all the developers all have faith in the playstation hardware as long it's the market leader. remember at the end of the day it's all about the all mighty dollar and what system will give it to you.

Bullshit don't tell me they only develop for it cause it was market leader some people like to made to work hard . Some devs don't like the easy way out . Some dev don't even like ps2.There's is alot that goes into making a game for system when your third party nintendo charges more to makes games on there system so while they might be cheaper to a make you have to pay more to bring out a game on GC .Also 3rd party games don't sell on GC if i was a dev why would i make game for a system that they don't even sell on . I tell you this now temco would never bring a game on ps2 unlike x box this xmas season they are so many games that people want but can't get all while they know that if bring it on x box it would sell.It works they other way also market leader to much good games and yours would not be bought unless you have really good game to earn your sales. Damn i spend to much money already MGS , jak 3 , had chosse between that and RACYUA. Even leading up to xmas SO3, SMT3 , AC5. thank god GT4 get push back i would not have money to buy it .There has never been x mas season like this there are so many good games for ps2 in last 4 months and they are from so much areas from RPG to sports . I only have a ps2 but i fell even more sorry for guys that have all 3 systems the last 4 months have been some best in gaming history and it looking even better in 2005 with GT4 , DMC 3, FF12 , DQ8, XS2. hell next year i even getting a GC . for FE , RE4, and few more it good to be a gamer .

side note it's even hard if own all 3 systems tecmo know that theres nothing like NG on x box so it would sell if it was on ps2 they have to go make a really good game since there DMC, god of war , Nano Breaker and more .

[solidus]

oh come on man. you know the only reason those companies are developing for the ps2 is because they are the market leader and they are leading by a hell of alot too. you dont think those game makers would rather save the money from shortening the development costs of the games made for the ps2? all the developers all have faith in the playstation hardware as long it's the market leader. remember at the end of the day it's all about the all mighty dollar and what system will give it to you.
You don't get it do you? If everything revolved around earning the most money, every 3rd party developer would release it's titles multiplatform. There are developers who care about releasing a quality title above money, what platform they release it on doesn't always have to do with which platform is the market leader. If it was, Halo 2 would never have been made for the Xbox.
all the developers all have faith in the playstation hardware as long it's the market leader
The Psp is a new entry in the handheld business, it's not the handheld market leader.

[xbdestroya]

oh come on man. you know the only reason those companies are developing for the ps2 is because they are the market leader and they are leading by a hell of alot too. you dont think those game makers would rather save the money from shortening the development costs of the games made for the ps2? all the developers all have faith in the playstation hardware as long it's the market leader. remember at the end of the day it's all about the all mighty dollar and what system will give it to you.
You don't get it do you? If everything revolved around earning the most money, every 3rd party developer would release it's titles multiplatform. There are developers who care about releasing a quality title above money, what platform they release it on doesn't always have to do with which platform is the market leader. If it was, Halo 2 would never have been made for the Xbox.
all the developers all have faith in the playstation hardware as long it's the market leader
The Psp is a new entry in the handheld business, it's not the handheld market leader.

Solidus I just don't agree with you here at all - of course a developer only cares about making money. Making a great game is a means towards that, and towards building a great reputation, but the reason not all games are multi-platform is because exclusivity agreements are signed. Programmers may care about that 'great game' experience, but the people signing the contracts and making the deals are doing it for $$$. Bungie only launched Halo on XBox because Bungie is owned by Microsoft. If Bungie were independent, you better believe they would have done what they could to port to PS2. It's like Nintendo. You KNOW they could go ahead and port to the other systems, as insane as that might sound, but why don't they? It's because exclusives give a huge advantage to the company with the exclusives, and in GC's case - their ONLY advantage. But these exclusives NEVER come about through anything other than a) an agreement of exclusivity (or being a first-party title) or b) the feeling that porting isn't cost effective to the target console (usually GC or XBox).

And I'm not getting into this Dreamcast debate, but developers DO dislike coding for PS2. I can't believe there are people here saying that a developer would RATHER spend three years making a game instead of two if the final product was the same, just for the challenge of it.

Ok but anyway - Sony has the larger installed base.

Now, take that above statement and back away from it for a sec. When you have all the intense competition going on for PS2 gamers dollars, that's when a company with a strong rep like Tecmo can say, 'Hey, let's go with XBox, because even though they have a much lower install base than Sony, with all those shitty games, we're sure to get a good bit of the XBox owners buying from us.'

And I think that's a good plan for them. They found a niche and they went for it. They're talking some trash about Sony, but none of it means anything - it's just taking some shots because they can.

When you look at the studios developing for M$, in my opinion there are two - all the thirty or whatever Microsoft owned umbrella studios, and Tecmo - that's not bad for Tecmo.

[BigPapaSmurf]

Bullshit don't tell me they only develop for it cause it was market leader some people like to made to work hard . Some devs don't like the easy way out . Some dev don't even like ps2.There's is alot that goes into making a game for system when your third party nintendo charges more to makes games on there system so while they might be cheaper to a make you have to pay more to bring out a game on GC .Also 3rd party games don't sell on GC if i was a dev why would i make game for a system that they don't even sell on . I tell you this now temco would never bring a game on ps2 unlike x box this xmas season they are so many games that people want but can't get all while they know that if bring it on x box it would sell.It works they other way also market leader to much good games and yours would not be bought unless you have really good game to earn your sales. Damn i spend to much money already MGS , jak 3 , had chosse between that and RACYUA. Even leading up to xmas SO3, SMT3 , AC5. thank god GT4 get push back i would not have money to buy it .There has never been x mas season like this there are so many good games for ps2 in last 4 months and they are from so much areas from RPG to sports . I only have a ps2 but i fell even more sorry for guys that have all 3 systems the last 4 months have been some best in gaming history and it looking even better in 2005 with GT4 , DMC 3, FF12 , DQ8, XS2. hell next year i even getting a GC . for FE , RE4, and few more it good to be a gamer .


lol give me a break man. the developers dont want to work harder than need be. also with all the money they could save if the ps2 was easier to develop they could go and make the physics engine better or up the graphics because they would have the money to spend on making those things better. remember the easier it is to program for a system the more time and money developers will have in fine tuning lots of the games.

[bRoNx]

ANYWAYS...let's get back on topic...

About Temco...c'mon, think about it. Temco have their lips firmly planted on M$ ass, and they ain't willing to let a good thing go...and so of course they're gonna bad mouth Sony! Did you really expect them to come out with a positive comment about the opposition?

No one cares about tecmo's shitty games anyway. I dont understand why anyone would give a damn- were better off without a second rate publisher infecting the market with crap.

Exactly! Sony ain't gonna lose sleep over those comments, and neither would I (nor should you). It's just another attempt by M$ (the puppeteers) and Temco (the puppet) to generate a little negativity about Sony...the only thing they're good at. But the problem is, SONY DON'T GIVE A SH*T! They know they just have to hold a press conference, acknowledge the fact that the PS3 is in development, give no additional info. other than what we already know, and it'll still make headlines across the globe...that's a GIANT for ya...but Temco?..c'mon...get real!

[The_One]

Exactly! Sony ain't gonna lose sleep over those comments, and neither would I (nor should you). I just lost ten hours of sleep over this.... LOL, JK :P.

Now, take that above statement and back away from it for a sec. When you have all the intense competition going on for PS2 gamers dollars, that's when a company with a strong rep like Tecmo can say, 'Hey, let's go with XBox, because even though they have a much lower install base than Sony, with all those shitty games, we're sure to get a good bit of the XBox owners buying from us.' LOL... Now that you mention it... it sorta makes sense :mrgreen:.

@Domination: Don't bother with SERAPHIM... he's obviously an fanboy out to annoy others.

[solidus]

Solidus I just don't agree with you here at all - of course a developer only cares about making money. Making a great game is a means towards that, and towards building a great reputation, but the reason not all games are multi-platform is because exclusivity agreements are signed. Programmers may care about that 'great game' experience, but the people signing the contracts and making the deals are doing it for $$$. Bungie only launched Halo on XBox because Bungie is owned by Microsoft. If Bungie were independent, you better believe they would have done what they could to port to PS2. It's like Nintendo. You KNOW they could go ahead and port to the other systems, as insane as that might sound, but why don't they? It's because exclusives give a huge advantage to the company with the exclusives, and in GC's case - their ONLY advantage. But these exclusives NEVER come about through anything other than a) an agreement of exclusivity (or being a first-party title) or b) the feeling that porting isn't cost effective to the target console (usually GC or XBox).

You're thinking ahead, step back for a min. Releasing multiplatform means more money for the company, you say they can't because they have exclusivity contracts. Granted but the companies aren't forced into it. If Rockstar didn't wan't their Gta series to be released on the ps2 only/first they wouldn't have signed the contract but they did and they aren't owned by Sony. Money is a big factor in the gaming business but there are some things that are more important to developers. The company usually follow their developers. "Exclusives give a huge advantage to the company with the exclusives" but that statement only applies to 1st party exclusives while there are plenty of 3rd party exclusives.
of course a developer only cares about making money
Programmers may care about that 'great game' experience, but the people signing the contracts and making the deals are doing it for $$$
These statements are a bit contradicting, first you say developers/programmers only care about money but than you say it's the guys signing the contracts who are...

And I'm not getting into this Dreamcast debate, but developers DO dislike coding for PS2. I can't believe there are people here saying that a developer would RATHER spend three years making a game instead of two if the final product was the same, just for the challenge of it.
Disliking something and prefering something are two different things.
Developers don't dislike/hate developing for the Ps2 but they do prefer developing for an easier architecture. BTW: if you have ever coded something you would know developers/coders do like a challenge.

There isn't alot to contribute to the thread title anymore, we all know why they said what they said. Let the fanboys have their gloating time, it won't last long.

[xbdestroya]

Well, yeah this thread has definitely gone in a different direction.

I'm going to do a post without the quoting since the text block above is getting pretty long, but I see some of your points Solidus.

Still, when I was refering to 'the ones signing the contracts' I was refering to the presidents, CEO's, etc., not the programers. I see now that I wasn't really clear on that.

And I indeed HAVE coded - and though I can tell you anyone likes a challenge now and then, there's a difference of a challenge over the course of a week, and a challenge over the course of three years. I mean, that's someone's life we're talking about here. Still, I suppose there might be some for whom this has appeal, but you must admit they are probably a vast minority.

As for the first-party/third-party thing, you have a good point. I wonder what it is that Sony offered Rockstar in return for their exclusivity. I won't believe that it wasn't something. If so, then someone over at Rockstar needs to push a little harder at the bargaining table.

[GUNDAMSEED]

Bullshit don't tell me they only develop for it cause it was market leader some people like to made to work hard . Some devs don't like the easy way out . Some dev don't even like ps2.There's is alot that goes into making a game for system when your third party nintendo charges more to makes games on there system so while they might be cheaper to a make you have to pay more to bring out a game on GC .Also 3rd party games don't sell on GC if i was a dev why would i make game for a system that they don't even sell on . I tell you this now temco would never bring a game on ps2 unlike x box this xmas season they are so many games that people want but can't get all while they know that if bring it on x box it would sell.It works they other way also market leader to much good games and yours would not be bought unless you have really good game to earn your sales. Damn i spend to much money already MGS , jak 3 , had chosse between that and RACYUA. Even leading up to xmas SO3, SMT3 , AC5. thank god GT4 get push back i would not have money to buy it .There has never been x mas season like this there are so many good games for ps2 in last 4 months and they are from so much areas from RPG to sports . I only have a ps2 but i fell even more sorry for guys that have all 3 systems the last 4 months have been some best in gaming history and it looking even better in 2005 with GT4 , DMC 3, FF12 , DQ8, XS2. hell next year i even getting a GC . for FE , RE4, and few more it good to be a gamer .


lol give me a break man. the developers dont want to work harder than need be. also with all the money they could save if the ps2 was easier to develop they could go and make the physics engine better or up the graphics because they would have the money to spend on making those things better. remember the easier it is to program for a system the more time and money developers will have in fine tuning lots of the games.


Did you read that some companies charge more to make games for there system or i guess you did not know that . you also forgetting that ps2 has most gflops which mean devs can get better AI out of it . if everyone care about easy programing why does KECJ say they like to start from beging the to make they own engine for metal gear when they could just use 1 that was out . Also by the way do even know how much it takes to make a game for ps2 only takes about 100 000 more than x box last time i check (FOR THE AVERAGE GAME ) we were talking about a while before durning deadmaet days .

But as many have said this is going way of topic than it should be and nothing more can be added matt should close it .

[islander]

[they are fanboys

[islander]

[i always knew tecmo was a MS fanboy.

[solidus]

No need for double posting, especially when you have to say the same thing.

[Saibo]

hmm this is the same company that insulted Sega(Yu Suzuki) fighting games(virtual figther).

basically they said it was crap compared to DOA. I can live without another stupid DOA game :)

[Darknight]

hmm this is the same company that insulted Sega(Yu Suzuki) fighting games(virtual figther).

basically they said it was crap compared to DOA. I can live without another stupid DOA game :)

Most of the fighting games out there are better than DOA. Tecmo has found it's gimmick (:D boobies! :D) and is using it to ship as many copies of the game as possible (see DOA Volleyball).

Similar to Mortal Kombat, only I like Mortal Kombat...

[cpiasminc]

Most of the fighting games out there are better than DOA. Tecmo has found it's gimmick (:D boobies! :D) and is using it to ship as many copies of the game as possible (see DOA Volleyball).

Similar to Mortal Kombat, only I like Mortal Kombat...
If there's one thing I like about DOA a thousand times better than Mortal Kombat... It's the controls. It's very straightforward and very efficient. You have a range of combos and moves and reversals that feels limitless, but the execution is so simple. And unlike Mortal Kombat, you don't necessarily have to depend on unnatural and esoteric button combinations to pull off a minuscule level of success. You can act with purely basic actions that are well timed.

Another game that does this really well, IMO, is Soul Calibur... and that also has its share of boobies. Inescapable law of nature at work. Hell, look at the fact that a game like Rumble Roses even exists.

I'm not about to deny that I'm male and I'm shameless... I'm sure everyone has played at least a few times just to watch Kasumi leap up onto the opponent's shoulders and squeeze their face in her crotch. But if that were the only attraction to a game like DOA, I wouldn't still play it every now and then.

[The_One]

I'm not about to deny that I'm male and I'm shameless... I'm sure everyone has played at least a few times just to watch Kasumi leap up onto the opponent's shoulders and squeeze their face in her crotch. But if that were the only attraction to a game like DOA, I wouldn't still play it every now and then. Agreed ;).
The one little merit with the reversal system is that it's too simple, and that some battles can come to a "deadlock" if both players are human players and decide not to attack out of fear of being "countered". The counter system would have been more fair/balanced if all it did was "divert" the attack, and give the player an opportunity to chain a custom combo instead of automatically doing damage.
I think we're going off topic... but of well :P

Tecmo has found it's gimmick (:Dboobies!:D) and is using it to ship as many copies of the game as possible (see DOA Volleyball). Well... Like the famous quote goes "You give 'em what they want". Whereas the "'em" refers to the consumers... and the male portion of the consumer in DOA's case :P. Oh yeah, it's not Tecmo that found a gimmick, it's Team Ninja. Tecmo simply publishes the game.

if everyone care about easy programing why does KECJ say they like to start from beging the to make they own engine for metal gear when they could just use 1 that was out The TRUE reason for creating a new engine for Metal Gear Solid 3:SE was because of the collision detections, since the game is now played in the jungle, where the ground is no longer "flat", a new engine had to be made to work in an "jungle" enviroment.

[GUNDAMSEED]

The TRUE reason for creating a new engine for Metal Gear Solid 3:SE was because of the collision detections, since the game is now played in the jungle, where the ground is no longer "flat", a new engine had to be made to work in an "jungle" enviroment.

Did i say 3 , no i did not. it has been said many time they like to creat there own engines. They do it for all there games that's why they have some if not best games on ps2 . Read what i post if i want to say mgs 3 i would have said so . :)

[julps31]

Most of the fighting games out there are better than DOA. Tecmo has found it's gimmick (:D boobies! :D) and is using it to ship as many copies of the game as possible (see DOA Volleyball).
Similar to Mortal Kombat, only I like Mortal Kombat...
If there's one thing I like about DOA a thousand times better than Mortal Kombat... It's the controls. It's very straightforward and very efficient. You have a range of combos and moves and reversals that feels limitless, but the execution is so simple. And unlike Mortal Kombat, you don't necessarily have to depend on unnatural and esoteric button combinations to pull off a minuscule level of success. You can act with purely basic actions that are well timed.
I agree with that CP. The two things Midway needs to get rid of to make mortal Kombat games much better is to get rid of those stiff throwback (to old mortal Kombats) animations, and a better controls. There way to specific and too rigid. Same thing with the animations. To rigid.

[The_One]

The TRUE reason for creating a new engine for Metal Gear Solid 3:SE was because of the collision detections, since the game is now played in the jungle, where the ground is no longer "flat", a new engine had to be made to work in an "jungle" enviroment.

Did i say 3 , no i did not. it has been said many time they like to creat there own engines. They do it for all there games that's why they have some if not best games on ps2 . Read what i post if i want to say mgs 3 i would have said so . :) Well, if you were refering to MGS2... No, they didn't create a new engine for it. They simply ported the PS1 engine and added some new features to it and BAM, you got MGS2... :roll:.

[xbdestroya]

Cpiasminc you've summed up my feelings nicely. I still play DOA hardcore for PS2 actually, I like it that much. And Soul Calibur's just awesome.

For me, Tecmo will always have a special place in my heart - anyone here remember Tecmo Bowl? But I can't follow them to XBox, I just won't. So I wait patiently for the day they decide they've built up enough of a 'new-gen' name for themselves that they can come back to PS2/3.

[clc1986]

the way i see it is that microsoft wants to know sony plans for the ps3, by doing that they think if they gave abit of info on their next xbox every month or so that sony would probly give some info on their ps3 but its not working and now microsoft are paying companies like tecmo to bad mouth sony's next ps to make sony feel like shit and spill out their plans but that aint working either...

microsoft give it up, release your console early and then let sony steal your thunder... your living dreamcast's fate...

example:
hey microsoft are releasing the xbox next on tuesday, i'm defintly getting it blah blah blah...

a month later...

did you read on ign that sony are releasing their ps3 in only 2 month's...
all hype on sony's ps3, wait what a bout xbox next? who cares sony are releasing their PlayStation 3 with games like GT5, Tekken 6: Online, MGS4, GTA4, PES5, Killzone 3: Kill Master Chief... and so on...

dont think that nintendo are gonna steal sony thunder as they have said they will release their console before sony too...

xbox next starting the next generation
nintendo revolution hyping the next generation
sony playstation 3 owning the next generation

[indiekid4]

"Back in 2000, I remember when the PS2 came out. All the hype and shinanigans... blagh blagh blagh. Oh well. One of teh reasons PS2 sold alot was because it was released earlier than all of the other systems. Not only that XBOX was a new system. And Gamecube was a bit tarnished for their "Kiddy" image. Oh well."



Uhhhh. no. PSX was the reason why so many PS2 sold, not because of the release. PS2 could of came out after xbox and still outsold like ti has outsold xbox now because of the reputation of the PSX. People new they were going to get a reliable system from Sony because of the sucess of the PSX. I rest my case.

[indiekid4]

Tecmo is probably pissed because Sony hasn't even looked in their direction for a next gen title Laughing

Why would Sony bother going Tecmo's way for games like Ninja Gaiden and DOA when Sony already has similar games like Devil May Cry and Tekken which are successful

while that may be true i still would like it if i can have the choice to play ninja gaiden and doa. microsoft is probably paying tecmo to make an exclusive game for xenon's launch so that's why they are so pro m$.

=Thanks for stealing my old Avatar.. ;)

[Z]

Tecmo may not like us for some odd reason, but Team Ninja may still have a crush on us. ;)



Team Ninja Developing for PS3?
In a recent interview with IGN Xbox, Team Ninja head Tomonobu Itagaki hinted that the renowned Japanese developer is planning at least one game for either the PS3 or Nintendo Revolution.
December 01, 2004 - In a recent interview with IGN Xbox, Team Ninja head Tomonobu Itagaki hinted that the renowned Japanese developer is planning at least one game for either the PS3 or Nintendo Revolution.

IGN: You've been a big supporter of Xbox and, from what we hear, will be heavily behind Xbox 2 as well. Do you have any plans to make games for PS3 or Nintendo Revolution?

Itagaki: I should be able to talk about that soon. I promise.

Though there's no hint if this would be an original game or one of Team Ninja's franchises (DOA and Ninja Gaiden), it seems likely that an announcement awaits either PS3 or Revolution's official unveiling.

Itagaki has repeatedly said he has stuck with Xbox because it's the most powerful system available. Should that change with the next generation, perhaps so will Team Ninja's loyalties.

We'll keep sniffing and get you more on this story as soon as possible.

[PeanutButterMunky]

From IGN:

In a recent interview with IGN Xbox, Team Ninja head Tomonobu Itagaki hinted that the renowned Japanese developer is planning at least one game for either the PS3 or Nintendo Revolution.

IGN: You've been a big supporter of Xbox and, from what we hear, will be heavily behind Xbox 2 as well. Do you have any plans to make games for PS3 or Nintendo Revolution?

Itagaki: I should be able to talk about that soon. I promise.

Though there's no hint if this would be an original game or one of Team Ninja's franchises (DOA and Ninja Gaiden), it seems likely that an announcement awaits either PS3 or Revolution's official unveiling.

Itagaki has repeatedly said he has stuck with Xbox because it's the most powerful system available. Should that change with the next generation, perhaps so will Team Ninja's loyalties.

We'll keep sniffing and get you more on this story as soon as possible.

An Interview Regarding DOA 4 (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/569/569953p1.html)

[shadowofomioc]

Sony has Sega and the Virtua Fighter series and the Tekken series on board and this idiot wants to act like Sony is out of luck because their old, tired DOA series isn't on the system? Even when it is? lol.

Tecmo knows how to make tits bounce and people fall 1000ft. and then bounce right back up. Wooooo, they sure do have room to talk.

Oh yeh, and then the beach volleyball game, sorry didnt mean to forget about that one lol. I mean come on. Anyone with half a brain who has seen what the Cell architecture is all about knows very well how easily the PS3 will come on top graphically. Cell sounds absolutely mind blowing in how it is built and how it is going to work.

So you can pretty much say for certain that we have a true Microsoft laptog.

[Rallyracr420]

k well i never played the volleyball game, but i truely miss the DOA fighting series on the PS2. The graphics are awesome. And technically, its a way way and way way better fighter than DragonBallZBudokai (1-3). Its a damn good fighting game...just give it a chance.

And Cell won't affect the gfx like you think it will. It'll be more like a Ps2 can transform more polys than the XBox type of argument. The Cell, as you know it from the press releases, will not be behind the graphics of the PS3. It will be the CPU of the PS3, not the GPU.

[islander]

Microsoft is just paying tecmo to say that shit. as much as dead or alive is a great fighting game, and as much as we may not see DOA 4, and DOAXBV 2, on the PS3. all sony has to do is, pay off Rockstar, Namco, Sega, and Id software. in that way we will see GTA6, Tekken5, Tekken tag tournament 2(maybe), Soul calibur 3, virtua fighter 5, and Doom 4 only on the PS3. that will make xenon be the next sega dreamcast. :roll:

[DappaDizzle]

Microsoft is just paying tecmo to say that shit. as much as dead or alive is a great fighting game, and as much as we may not see DOA 4, and DOAXBV 2, on the PS3. all sony has to do is, pay off Rockstar, Namco, Sega, and Id software. in that way we will see GTA6, Tekken5, Tekken tag tournament 2(maybe), Soul calibur 3, virtua fighter 5, and Doom 4 only on the PS3. that will make xenon be the next sega dreamcast. :roll:


BAM

[Z]

k well i never played the volleyball game, but i truely miss the DOA fighting series on the PS2. The graphics are awesome. And technically, its a way way and way way better fighter than DragonBallZBudokai (1-3).
Actually, if you want to compare then DoA falls in the category of Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat, and the likes. Now DoA may be better than the latter, but it may fair as good with almost ALL the others.

Its a damn good fighting game...just give it a chance.

I am sure it is, but I won’t leave ALL the rest for just one.

a Ps2 can transform more polys than the XBox type of argument
what the?!
Xbox has about double polygon power than PS2. [PS2: ~75 million. Xbox~ 127million]

The Cell, as you know it from the press releases, will not be behind the graphics of the PS3. It will be the CPU of the PS3, not the GPU.

That is not confirmed. If you follow the Cell discussion thread you will notice that this is a big topic. Cell can work as a GPU. Whether it will be used as one or not is still not mentioned. In any case, there will be a showcase of Cell in Feb 5th, PS3 demo in May E3, and a playable version in TGS after that. Keep in mind that Cell so no ordinary chip. It breaks Moore’s Law, defies a lot of industry standards and it is the next BIG thing. a lot expect by Cell alone the PS3 will be the superior system technically. Microsoft and Nintendo will do for their next systems what they always do; buy everything. And currently, there isn’t anything even close to Cell on the market. To top it off, it is said that PS3 may have 4-8 Cells! Add to that some wild ambitions as distributed computing, ‘grid’, ect. And you can have an idea of what a phenomena PS3 will be. The only thing that will keep PS3 from becoming a nuclear reactor is price.

[DappaDizzle]

why are temo hateing

[Domination]

Tecmo may not like us for some odd reason, but Team Ninja may still have a crush on us. ;)



Team Ninja Developing for PS3?
In a recent interview with IGN Xbox, Team Ninja head Tomonobu Itagaki hinted that the renowned Japanese developer is planning at least one game for either the PS3 or Nintendo Revolution.
December 01, 2004 - In a recent interview with IGN Xbox, Team Ninja head Tomonobu Itagaki hinted that the renowned Japanese developer is planning at least one game for either the PS3 or Nintendo Revolution.

IGN: You've been a big supporter of Xbox and, from what we hear, will be heavily behind Xbox 2 as well. Do you have any plans to make games for PS3 or Nintendo Revolution?

Itagaki: I should be able to talk about that soon. I promise.

Though there's no hint if this would be an original game or one of Team Ninja's franchises (DOA and Ninja Gaiden), it seems likely that an announcement awaits either PS3 or Revolution's official unveiling.

Itagaki has repeatedly said he has stuck with Xbox because it's the most powerful system available. Should that change with the next generation, perhaps so will Team Ninja's loyalties.

We'll keep sniffing and get you more on this story as soon as possible.

I won't be holding my breath. Like i said before, if they chose the DS over the PSP, there's a very good chance that they're going to do same with the PS3.

[PeanutButterMunky]

indiekid...for the love of god, make your avatar smaller!! That's funny as hell, but making an avatar that's almost 1 megabyte is just stupid...

[The_One]

a Ps2 can transform more polys than the XBox type of argument
what the?!
Xbox has about double polygon power than PS2. [PS2: ~75 million. Xbox~ 127million]
"What the?!" is right! Where'd you hear 127 million?! Oh wait... TeamXBox.com... damn dirty lying bastards :evil:. Guess I'll just have to give another one of my "XBox's True GPU 101" lesson again... *sigh*
Anyhow Class, listen up:
The 127 million polygon count is just a scam, in actuality, it can only render ~32 million polygons, MAX... So you're wondering, how the HELL did they get 127 million? Well, you see, 127 million may be the TOTAL polygon processing power, if it wasn't for the fact that the poly count was capped... The 32 million polygon count I mentioned isn't by itself, it gets 2 free layers of texture. By free, I mean that it cost the GPU/CPU no extra processing power, however, not using the two free layers of texture will NOT give you any performance boost. Thus, the max number of polygon the XBox can produce is 32 million... To put into perspective, the PS2's 75 million polygon peak is without any layer of texture, and each layer of texture reduces the polygon count by half the previous number. That's why PS2's polygon performace is much poorer then the XBox if the Dev's choose to use 2 layer of texture (brings it down to ~18.75 million polygons).

That's it for today, Class Dismissed!
IGN Xbox: You've been a big supporter of Xbox and, from what we hear, will be heavily behind Xbox 2 as well. Do you have any plans to make games for PS3 or Nintendo Revolution?

Itagaki: I should be able to talk about that soon. I promise. That doesn't mean there WILL be one... it simply means he will be able to talk about it soon...

[Z]

why are temo hateing
My guess is that something happened in the ‘business department’ while developing the early DoA game for PS2. Microsoft agrees on anything to get their system out. So Tecmo went to them, although they didn’t have to completely abandon PS2, but that may show how bad things went. Remember that Capcom did the same with the RE franchise. Yet Capcom cooled down and I think they (Capcom & Sony) kissed and made up.
Tecmo is not a major player (not as big as Konami, Namco, Squareenix and the rest) yet it is the principle that matters.
Now, although it is expected they will support Xenon by default, this however does not necessarily mean a complete shut down on PS3.

[Marjoh]

As Z points out, it may have something to do with business (just as with most in the industry). Remember when Capcom announced that they would remake Resident Evil, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil 3, and RE: Code Veronika exclusively for the GameCube, then a few months later revealed the fantastic five (Resident Evil 4, Killer 7, Viewtiful Joe, Dead Phoenix, and PN03) would also all be exclusive for the GC? Well they learned that business with Nintendo is not as profitable as Sony's. After the first Resident Evil remake, they canned plans to remake the other three. And not only did they canned one of the so called fantastic five (Dead Pheonix), the other three is no longer exclusive for Nintendo's machine (there's no point to bring PN03 to PS2 since it was a disappointment).

[Marjoh]

Oh BTW, I wouldn't be surprise if the next Team Ninja project end up in PS3. Because it seems Tomonobu Itagaki is more concern with the system's technical aspect than business perspective.

[The_One]

Oh BTW, I wouldn't be surprise if the next Team Ninja project end up in PS3. Because it seems Tomonobu Itagaki is more concern with the system's technical aspect than business perspective. Agreed. Afterall, he DID say he would make game for the most technically superior console... So if PS3 out muscles Xenon... :mrgreen:

[PeanutButterMunky]

Yes, loyalty is a word which they don't know the meaning. It'd be awesome to see a DOA game on PS3, if it happens to be more poweful.