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Peter007
11-20-2004, 08:27 PM
Any of you guys upgrading your TV set for ps3? I saw a LCD projector on sale for $1400 on one of those home shopping channels. The LCD projector creates a 25ft x 6ft Screen that's HDTV quality and 1080I resolution. Thats incredibly big and vivid for gaming. Do you think LCD projector, cost about $1400USD, is worth it for PS3?

I don't think Virtual reality helmuts are coming out anytime soon. However, a 25ft x 6ft HDTV screen would come close... Imagine playing a ps3 game with eyetoy on a screen like that?

Here is a LCD projector at: circuitcity.com/ssm/InFocus-Digital-Business-Projector--LP540-/sem/rpsm/oid/109628/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

what are your plans for ps3? going to buy a regular HDTV? LCD projector? use your PC monitor? or stick with your regular 640x480 TV?

peter

Rallyracr420
11-20-2004, 09:29 PM
I'm looking at these TV's covered on news.com.com.com.com:
http://news.com.com/Slimmer+tube+TVs+to+challenge+flat+panels/2100-1041_3-5458670.html?tag=nefd.pop

The thing about plasma is that the screens don't have long lives. Considering the huge costs, this is def a no-go.

LCDs are okay, but still pretty pricy, and many have contrast problems.

I'l love to see the OLEDs take off. Scott R. Mraz posted a nice update on these here: http://www.psinext.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4001&start=0&postdays=0&postorder= asc&highlight=&sid=c4aa349827859f69f38a5670ec31d38 5

I ordered a SVGA projector off of ebay about 2 years ago for $900. It was the shit. It convinced me that when I have my home theater completed, a projector will def be part of the set up. You can make the screen as big as you want it, its way way more portable than a regular TV, and all you need is a blank wall to put it to use. Prices are falling fast, and technology is quickly increasing in resolution. All in all, with a projector you can't lose, except:
1) watch out for the fan noise. anything above 30-40 db in sound will get annoying.
2) make sure the brightness is at least 1500 lumens if you want to be able to see all the detail without having to shut the lights off in the room.
3) find out how much the bulbs are to replace before you get one. a typical cost is anywhere from USD$300-500.
4) check out the reviews and info on http://www.projectorcentral.com . This site will save you alot of hassle in buying a shitty over-priced projector.
5) make sure you get one with a native resolution of 1024x768 (XGA or XVGA).

Z
11-20-2004, 10:18 PM
I would advise staying away from anything ‘projected’. The quality isn’t as good. I would love to own an HDTV, but it is unavailable in my area. Thin Plasma tvs are ridiculously expensive. So my best affordable choice is the latest Wega model. I am saving up for a 42”, which coasts me about $2500

Domination
11-21-2004, 01:12 AM
Renovating is on my list, but I have my finger on something else at the moment. :)

cpiasminc
11-21-2004, 07:27 AM
Well, the main attraction of projectors is not the quality so much as the fact that you can get a large image out of a small unit. Either way, they're still expensive, and also really expensive to own because those backlight bulbs have horrible lifespans and the manufacturers charge you up the wazoo for replacements simply because you don't have any other choice. A few companies like Lumileds, Philips, and Qubic were working on projectors that use LED lightsources. The main advantage being that you can have a backlight that would basically last damn near forever. Problem is that it's very hard to focus and collimate the emissions of LEDs because they're so directional to begin with.

Lumileds+Philips personal projector --
http://optics.org/articles/ole/8/7/3/1

Qubic Light's projector info --
http://www.insightmedia.info/news/QubicLight%92sLEDProjectorLooksGood.htm

Maybe this will happen at some point or other, and I think that do-it-yourselfers would do it first, but the main problem plaguing these two products is that they're simply not very bright.

LCoS might have been interesting, but with Intel dropping out of the race to make it affordable, that pretty much killed the whole thing. I don't think there's any other firm out there (who's looking into LCoS, that is) with the fab capacity to be able to mass-produce panels at a very low price point.

OLED is probably where the future would lie as it holds a lot more promise for brightness, contrast, power consumption, lifespan (someday or other), color balance (with CdSe nanocrystals)... but that's still way off. PS5 and Xbox3 would be out sooner. In the meantime, the best hope for OLEDs would be as low-power fully-bright backlights for LCD panels.
BTW, in addition to that one thread on OLEDs, here's the older one --
http://www.psinext.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3346&sid=204a41099885814fa95011093 448485f

In the end, there's nothing that could ever make me consider buying an HDTV for PS3. Yes, I agree that games could look a hell of a lot better with it. But the cost is more than 100% prohibitive. The day I can get an HDTV LCD or Plasma or LCoS or whatever at least 22" for less than $150, I'll consider it. Around the time that I would consider spending thousands on a TV is after I've settled down on a permanent job, a permanent residence, wife+2.5 kids... right when I won't have the ability to enjoy television any longer. Isn't that how life is supposed to work out?

kevindenoyette
11-21-2004, 08:56 AM
I'm looking for a new tv currently as well. i'll just buy a cheap one with a bigger screen first, and then look into getting an hd one around 2007-2008

Z
11-21-2004, 03:35 PM
I just read in a yesterday’s newspaper that a new CRS (capture ray screen) will come out in a thin form which will “combine the goods of both worlds”. Meaning cheap price of conventional CRS TVs and the clarity of LCD and Plasma. But it is not mentioned when they will become available in markets.

cpiasminc
11-21-2004, 05:49 PM
I just read in a yesterday’s newspaper that a new CRS (capture ray screen) will come out in a thin form which will “combine the goods of both worlds”. Meaning cheap price of conventional CRS TVs and the clarity of LCD and Plasma. But it is not mentioned when they will become available in markets.
CRS? I think you mean CRT (cathode ray tube)... Either way, as far as the technology you're talking about -- supposedly Canon and Toshiba trying to produce by 2005... They also claim that it would not only be thin, but use less power (a 42" screen would draw about the same power as a 36" CRT). Tyco and Sharp also have similar technologies that use CVD diamond emitter tips... unfortunately the CVD process of synthesizing diamonds is still kind of expensive.

http://www.digitalconnectmag.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=47208414

http://www.canon.com/technology/detail/device/sed_display/

The basic idea behind SEDs (AKA FEDs) is one that more than a few manufacturers have had prototypes for since 1998 or so. Instead of a single electron gun and a deflected beam, you have a huge array of several electron emitters that need little to no deflection, so you need very little distance between emitters. One thing that's kind of held it back is that a whole bunch of electron beams is effectively a series of parallel currents. Moving current creates a magnetic field, and magnetic fields deflect currents. Normally this isn't a problem when currents are locked inside a conductor... but in this case, they're just shooting through a vacuum. That either means reeeeeaaallly close emitter plane (which could be a problem when you're sucking the air out and causing some mechanical stresses)... or larger pixels.

One of the nice things about having a big array of emitters is very fast scan speeds. Or even simultaneous scan with some judicious capacitance and discharge (although I think the resistances would be really high on a large screen). That could mean a lot less eyestrain and visible flicker than the usual CRT.

Bombthroat
11-21-2004, 10:03 PM
LCoS might have been interesting, but with Intel dropping out of the race to make it affordable, that pretty much killed the whole thing. I don't think there's any other firm out there (who's looking into LCoS, that is) with the fab capacity to be able to mass-produce panels at a very low price point.



Well, you're wrong about LCoS. JVC makes a form of LCoS they call D-ILA and it's currently shipping in front projectors and rear projection TV's. Also Sony has a take on LCoS called SXRD which is currently available in a front projector in their Qualia line with a rear projection 70" SXRD TV set to ship in Q1 2005. I'm not saying any of these apply to your squeaky cheap 22" display for $150, just that LCoS is far from dead.

oxygenuk
11-21-2004, 10:25 PM
a 28" or 32" flat widescreen will do me perfectly

JoshD
11-21-2004, 10:26 PM
I'm waiting for someone to make a 30" Plasma. I really want a flat TV with great resolution. LCDs are pretty much worthless for gaming (the frame rates are too slow), so a Plasma is the only way to go.

If that doesn't happen, it will be a 30" tube flatscreen HDTV. The only downside to them is the enormous amount of space they take up.

cpiasminc
11-21-2004, 11:17 PM
I'm not saying any of these apply to your squeaky cheap 22" display for $150, just that LCoS is far from dead.
Actually, I was referring to my interest in the concept being killed. Also, the thing about Intel's involvement was not so much the quality of the product, but the price. Intel was talking about bringing 42" screens below $1500.

Either way, no matter how close to or far from death LCoS is, it's more of a transitional technology much like SED is. And its lifespan in the market is simply determined by demand. I think if it could be offered as a far cheaper alternative to LCD or DLP, you'd have some noticeable demand and also strong market segmentation. If Sony and JVC can't do that, they're essentially not going to have a lot of motivation to keep LCoS displays on the market beyond just getting a return on their investment in the technology.

BTW, as far as the Qualia line... I'm interested in Sony's Qualia 005 TVs (which were recently demoed at CEATEC '04). They're LCDs all right, but they're backlit by an LED array.

I'm waiting for someone to make a 30" Plasma. I really want a flat TV with great resolution. LCDs are pretty much worthless for gaming (the frame rates are too slow), so a Plasma is the only way to go.
Unfortunately, that probably won't ever happen. The price scaling of Plasma doesn't really work out as all too competitive against LCD when you go much below 40". Especially when you get into cost of ownership and power consumption. Also, with the continuous dropping of LCD panel prices, they are not that far off from subsuming Plasmas from 40" and below.

Of course, it's very hard to keep scaling LCDs to very large panel sizes because the resistances build up over these large screens, which is kind of bad when you have something that is so dependent on voltages. It can lead to glows around the center of the panel because you can't deliver enough voltage and hence, not block enough light.

As far as LCD frame rates, I don't know how long it may be before the whole "dual domain bend" stuff that Mitsubishi was talking about may come to market, but that could end all concerns of framerate... 200 Hz refresh rate...

Dual-Domain Bend article --
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18269

Dual-Domain Bend white paper --
http://www.k-ids.or.kr/jid/paper/Jid_5-2/08.pdf

Well, anyway, let's wait until these things are plentiful in the aisles of the neighbourhood Walmart, and I'll join in on the HD bandwagon.

Z
11-22-2004, 12:37 AM
What do you guys think about HDTVs? And what are your suggestions for me if I want to buy a 42” latest Wega model TV?

JoshD
11-22-2004, 03:00 AM
As far as LCD frame rates, I don't know how long it may be before the whole "dual domain bend" stuff that Mitsubishi was talking about may come to market, but that could end all concerns of framerate... 200 Hz refresh rate...

Dual-Domain Bend article --
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18269

Dual-Domain Bend white paper --
http://www.k-ids.or.kr/jid/paper/Jid_5-2/08.pdf


Sexy. I'm interested to see how that technology turns out.

Danji
11-22-2004, 05:06 AM
A progressive scan VGA adapter and whatever monitor I have at the time. The cheap, and effective, way out.

stanDarsh
11-22-2004, 07:03 AM
I'm waiting for someone to make a 30" Plasma. I really want a flat TV with great resolution. LCDs are pretty much worthless for gaming (the frame rates are too slow), so a Plasma is the only way to go.

If that doesn't happen, it will be a 30" tube flatscreen HDTV. The only downside to them is the enormous amount of space they take up.

Hey Josh, is 32" okay?

If so Hitachi Makes a 32" and 37" Plasma screen.

http://www.hitachi.com.au/hitachi/content/template_product_index.asp?ID=122

GUNDAMSEED
11-22-2004, 08:04 AM
I most likly get a plasma tv . maybe 42 . my dvd collection is growing 300 plus and i need to up grade my sound system also and since i love both dvd and games plasma is only way to go . also most likly buy 2006 when ps3 comes out. plasma tvs would be much cheaper by then i might buy one for around 1500 maybe more when comes tech stuff always spend to much money :?

Z
11-22-2004, 04:57 PM
Samsung Develops 35cm-Deep CRT
Samsung has developed a 32-inch cathode ray tube (CRT) only 35cm deep.

"The new CRT makes it possible to build a CRT TV only 38cm deep (see Fig). The 32-inch CRT TVs available on the market today are normally 50 to 60cm deep. While this new CRT would still be significantly thicker than the 10cm or so of plasma display panel (PDP) and LCD TVs, it would be on a par with the 40cm depth of most rear-projection units using digital micromirror devices (DMD) or similar technologies.
more (http://news.designtechnica.com/article5841.html)

http://burn.tenstones.net/gambar/samsungscreen.jpg

Fats
11-22-2004, 05:28 PM
Very cool, any idea of the price? Would it be cheaper than a 32" TFT?

oxygenuk
12-14-2004, 01:33 PM
well in reply to this topic, next year im going to get a 28" widescreen either jvc or philips not sure which one yet but they both great

Brandon
12-14-2004, 10:29 PM
I'll most likely be getting a 52" Plasma when the PS3 is released here. Either that or a 60-70" HDTV. Monthly payments are the best ;)

oxygenuk
12-14-2004, 11:15 PM
monthly payments = debt debt and DEBT,, do not go that path :wink:, remember i said this also

Brandon
12-14-2004, 11:22 PM
Never, nor will I ever have debt and money management problems. I don't pay the minimum payments. I pay larger amounts per month so it gets payed off within 4-6 months, instead of 10 years :?

I make enough money, trust me...

Dralor
12-14-2004, 11:26 PM
Want to share a little bit of that wealth? :lol:

Brandon
12-14-2004, 11:34 PM
Hmmm...no ;)

Dralor
12-14-2004, 11:46 PM
Teach me to be a lazy highschool senior without a job. :lol:

Brandon
12-15-2004, 12:06 AM
Teach you to be? Or you already are one? I'm glad high school is over with...

Dralor
12-15-2004, 12:11 AM
At least I am a PSEO student only an hour and a half of high school classes in the morning then I go off to college. Winter break is great though since the college got out in the middle of November. 8)

jaxmkii
12-15-2004, 04:56 AM
http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Sony_KP_65WV700 i bought this last year to use with my PC as a monitor it ROCKS AT 1920x1080 ATi makes a componet adapter for the DVI-I slot 8)

Fats
12-15-2004, 11:14 AM
Tell me this, I've walked into various shops and I have noticed something quite strange. Out of all the TV's on show, why do the CRT models seem to offer the best picture quality? I've noticed that...

1. CRT seems to be the best
2. Plasma comes in second
3. LCD comes in last, because it looks terribly pixalated.

Someone fill me in, I believe that I'm missing the point.

oxygenuk
12-15-2004, 11:21 AM
in terms of specification i cant remember the exact word but crt has more of something so it produces a better pictures than plasma's and lcd's and would take about 5 - 10 years for plasma and lcds to catch up.

threepac3
12-15-2004, 04:23 PM
in terms of specification i cant remember the exact word but crt has more of something so it produces a better pictures than plasma's and lcd's and would take about 5 - 10 years for plasma and lcds to catch up.

i dun know about that but im pretty sure LCD's have lower refresh rates then CRT's so they are not favored by gamers.

cpiasminc
12-15-2004, 06:18 PM
in terms of specification i cant remember the exact word but crt has more of something so it produces a better pictures than plasma's and lcd's and would take about 5 - 10 years for plasma and lcds to catch up.
Well, CRTs typically have better dot pitch (distance between pixels) than plasmas, but LCDs can come pretty close. CRTs have far better viewing angles than LCDs, but no different from plasmas... LCDs have been improving in this aspect, though. There are quite a few that come pretty much equal. Both have lesser refresh rates than CRTs, but plasmas are close. Both Plasma and CRT are vulnerable to burn-in effects because they use phosphor coatings to produce images. LCDs don't really have that problem. Either way, it's not a big deal unless you are in the habit of pausing a game for several hours and leaving the TV on.

One thing, though -- CRTs are analog-addressed and analog driven, so the comb filters and drive circuits tend to hide a lot of details. One thing you have to realize is that the majority of console games actually use 8-bit low-resolution textures, because the interlacing and especially the color separation hardware (the chrominance data is sent on overlapping bands, so there's no way to separate them unless they're delivered on separate wires) smooth out these things.
On an LCD or Plasma, you will tend to see the inconsistencies very clearly because they're digitally-addressed. It also means that they're not built to display at resolutions other than their native resolutions, so lower or higher res pictures have to be scaled, which almost always makes them look pixelated.

Brandon
12-15-2004, 07:14 PM
I might be getting this one:

RCA Scenium (http://www.rca.com/product/viewdetail/0,2588,PI701107-CI700376,00.html?)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/EvX/7cab81f9.jpg

...and with awesome surround sound of course ;)

Dralor
12-15-2004, 07:16 PM
Mod you need to mod your double post. :twisted:

Brandon
12-15-2004, 07:26 PM
Thanks ;)

kevindenoyette
12-15-2004, 08:28 PM
10 K? Nice, I didn't know being a staff writer at psinext paid off like that. :wink:



I'm considering getting an LG or Samsung hdtv later, a pretty cheap one, 1.5 k or something like that, 1278 x 873 or something resolution, and great picture.

Brandon
12-15-2004, 08:49 PM
Being a staff writer is freelance work. I do it because I enjoy it, not because of money [which there's none of]. And I do it to help keep the site going. I make my money elsewhere =)

Dralor
12-15-2004, 09:09 PM
So where do make such money or are you not going to tell us that. :lol:

Brandon
12-15-2004, 10:13 PM
I sell little children on the black market ;)

Dralor
12-15-2004, 10:16 PM
Better not post that too often or the feds will get you. :wink:

Bo76334
12-16-2004, 03:41 AM
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-27--TV--KV-27FS120-/sem/rpsm/oid/91709/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

this is the tv im buying next summer, because i can't afford high def atm. i am concerned about it though, and you can help if u want. (my question is in the "ps3 resolution" thread.

Brandon
12-16-2004, 04:48 AM
Trinitron WEGAs are nice, but they are HEAVY. My 32" WEGA weighs more than the 62" HDTV I'm getting :shock: That thing took 3 people to carry it up the stairs of the place I used to live :/ 27" should be easier to move, though ;)

Bo76334
12-16-2004, 02:05 PM
well, i found a better deal. at circuitcity.com, i found a samsung 27" HDTV w/ built in hd tuner for $700. so im just gonna save for longer and get that. heres the link.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-27--HDTV--TX-P2775HD-/sem/rpsm/oid/91174/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Theo
12-17-2004, 08:53 AM
I'm thinking of buying a 42" plasma TV (it works pretty good for movies and looks good too :wink: ). I have never played any games, using a plasma TV, so can any of you tell me how plasma works for gaming, thanks.

Brandon
12-17-2004, 09:04 AM
I have never played any games, using a plasma TV, so can any of you tell me how plasma works for gaming, thanks.
Just be prepared to wet yourself, that's all I have to say =)

Theo
12-17-2004, 12:59 PM
I have never played any games, using a plasma TV, so can any of you tell me how plasma works for gaming, thanks.
Just be prepared to wet yourself, that's all I have to say =)

...Do you mean it for good or for bad? :roll:

Fats
12-17-2004, 03:16 PM
I imagine that he means good.

Brandon
12-17-2004, 10:03 PM
Yes, that was meant to be in a positive light =)

jaxmkii
12-18-2004, 09:15 AM
Tell me this, I've walked into various shops and I have noticed something quite strange. Out of all the TV's on show, why do the CRT models seem to offer the best picture quality? I've noticed that...

1. CRT seems to be the best
2. Plasma comes in second
3. LCD comes in last, because it looks terribly pixalated.

Someone fill me in, I believe that I'm missing the point. CRTs own

plasma/LCDs are gimmics cuz there thin WOPPIE!! wow im glad i payed 3x as much for a shittier picture but hey look I can hang it on the wall. :roll:

stanDarsh
12-18-2004, 09:28 AM
Tell me this, I've walked into various shops and I have noticed something quite strange. Out of all the TV's on show, why do the CRT models seem to offer the best picture quality? I've noticed that...

1. CRT seems to be the best
2. Plasma comes in second
3. LCD comes in last, because it looks terribly pixalated.

Someone fill me in, I believe that I'm missing the point. CRTs own

plasma/LCDs are gimmics cuz there thin WOPPIE!! wow im glad i payed 3x as much for a shittier picture but hey look I can hang it on the wall. :roll:

Are you kidding here? That statement you have made is absolutely foolish. Do some research before you even make statements like that!

Brandon
12-18-2004, 09:43 AM
I don't think he's ever seen a plasma screen before...

stanDarsh
12-18-2004, 10:17 AM
With statements like that it would not surprise me in the slightest!

Brandon
12-18-2004, 10:28 AM
The only thing I don't like about plasmas is the short screen life [image burn-in]. It sucks when you play with games that have permanent images on the screen, such as energy bars, or speedometers...and with TV as well with the channel logos. HDTV is the way I always go [the thinner ones] ;)

jaxmkii
12-18-2004, 04:21 PM
I don't think he's ever seen a plasma screen before... I looked at a lot of HIGH end Plasma sets from many companys IN PERSON not from some websight.(after all I used to sell the damn things) dont tell me what I have and have not seen! and ALL of the plasma and LCDs had one reoccuring problem they all had this look like you where looking at the world though a screen door. may be your need glasses or something but my eyes picked it up from as far as 15 feet away on some sets. CRTs and newer DLPs are free of this problem. LCDs and Plasmas will have there place in situations where space is critical Inside cars, boats,work places,Tanks, aircraft and spacecraft. but when piture quality is what you want along with longentivity CRT are it. if you dont mind a occasional blown bulb or cooling fans than DLP is for you. remember I ran to the store to buy a plasma and quickly was dissapointed after weeks of serching for a "grid free" plasma whent home with a rear projection CRT and a nicer picture after all a lot of plasmas will not support 1920x1080i

BTW since it takes a team of men to move this thing up and down stairs its a lot harder to steal than plasma good theft deturant

stanDarsh
12-18-2004, 04:38 PM
The only thing I don't like about plasmas is the short screen life [image burn-in]. It sucks when you play with games that have permanent images on the screen, such as energy bars, or speedometers...and with TV as well with the channel logos. HDTV is the way I always go [the thinner ones] ;)

The good thing about plasmas (at least the Fujitsu ones anyway) is that you could actually get rid of the burnt in picture unlike CRT based where once they are there they are staying there for good.

I looked at a lot of HIGH end Plasma sets from many companys IN PERSON not from some websight.(after all I used to sell the damn things) dont tell me what I have and have not seen! and ALL of the plasma and LCDs had one reoccuring problem they all had this look like you where looking at the world though a screen door. may be your need glasses or something but my eyes picked it up from as far as 15 feet away on some sets. CRTs and newer DLPs are free of this problem. LCDs and Plasmas will have there place in situations where space is critical Inside cars, boats,work places,Tanks, aircraft and spacecraft. but when piture quality is what you want along with longentivity CRT are it. if you dont mind a occasional blown bulb or cooling fans than DLP is for you. remember I ran to the store to buy a plasma and quickly was dissapointed after weeks of serching for a "grid free" plasma whent home with a rear projection CRT and a nicer picture after all a lot of plasmas will not support 1920x1080i

BTW since it takes a team of men to move this thing up and down stairs its a lot harder to steal than plasma good theft deturant[/quote]

I used to sell Plasma screens as well, so I can tell you outright, I don't know what plasma screens you were looking at but they can't have been very good! High Definition Plasma, with a High Definition Picture look absolutely beautiful! Even the 61" High Def. LG Plasma screen I saw at the CEE trade show, looked spectacular and LG is a brand I'd called mid-range. If you really believe that a Rear Projection image looks better than a Plasma screen, then I think you need glasses or laser surgery buddy.

As for moving those rear projection TVs, you are correct, I had to see a chiropractor after lifting one of those things! As far as security goes, if a Plasma Screen is mounted on the wall correctly with good brackets and stuff, then there shouldn't be a problem anyway, security wise, as you'd need to know what you were doing to be able to get it back off the wall again!

jaxmkii
12-18-2004, 05:09 PM
maybe things have changed I'm willing to admit that I have not seen it all but i still say alot of it is a sales pitch

kevindenoyette
12-18-2004, 06:17 PM
If you think plasma's suck, you haven't seen pioneer's pro tv sets line. I saw their 60" model at an electronics store once, (it goes for about 17 k ), and everyone just stood around it, looking at it. It looks good from up close, but from far away it's just amazing. I'd go for a smaller size myself though.

Rallyracr420
12-19-2004, 01:11 AM
Plasmas are awesome in picture quality, but considering the short lifespan, burn-in issues, and extremely high price, I don't see how its ever worth it.

I'm looking foward to seeing the new thin-tube CRTs. Not only are they much thinner than a regular TV, but they're supposed to have a better picture too. Plus they're as cheap as regualr TVs.

Theo
12-20-2004, 12:09 PM
Oh man, it seems that I know nothing about plasma TVs :oops: ...Oh well, here goes: how come plasma TVs have a short lifespan, Rallyracr420?

stanDarsh
12-20-2004, 02:14 PM
Oh man, it seems that I know nothing about plasma TVs :oops: ...Oh well, here goes: how come plasma TVs have a short lifespan, Rallyracr420?

Plasma screens have a long lifespan, let me put it to you this way. A Fujitsu plasma screen, running approximately 8 hours a day should last you about 10 years before going to half brightness, that is better than CRT, and by that time there will be something better on the market anyway such as OLED and Laser Projectors!

People seem to have this big misconception when it comes to Plasma screens I don't know why that is, whether it is just they have been misinformed or perhaps if they can convince themselves that in someways a plasma screen is inferior to what they already have, then they can justify not spending a considerable amount of money to upgrade. Who knows :?

High Lander
12-20-2004, 02:27 PM
IMO, CRTs are very good, but only up to 29"
More than 29", CRT sucks in quality...

For a great image quality above 29", the ONLY solution is the VERY expensive PLASMA. They look PERFECT even if above 42".

A 42" Plasma TV has a MUCH better image than a 32" Wega CRT TV (and Wega is the best CRT, imo)

You simply CANNOT see the pixels in these new Plasma TVs... they are just an opened window... while in any >29" CRT the pixels are there, HUGE.

Theo
12-21-2004, 02:37 PM
Oh man, it seems that I know nothing about plasma TVs :oops: ...Oh well, here goes: how come plasma TVs have a short lifespan, Rallyracr420?

Plasma screens have a long lifespan, let me put it to you this way. A Fujitsu plasma screen, running approximately 8 hours a day should last you about 10 years before going to half brightness, that is better than CRT, and by that time there will be something better on the market anyway such as OLED and Laser Projectors!

People seem to have this big misconception when it comes to Plasma screens I don't know why that is, whether it is just they have been misinformed or perhaps if they can convince themselves that in someways a plasma screen is inferior to what they already have, then they can justify not spending a considerable amount of money to upgrade. Who knows :?


Does this mean that plasma Tvs' picture quality decreases depending on how much you use it? Anyways, if the quality endure as the same for at least 5-6 years by the use of 8 hours/day. it will be enough for me :wink: .

Brandon
12-21-2004, 10:19 PM
And if you still have the same horrible TV after 10 years anyway, than I pity you ;) It's time to upgrade =)

Theo
12-22-2004, 05:05 PM
And if you still have the same horrible TV after 10 years anyway, than I pity you ;) It's time to upgrade =)

Yes indeed. I think that 5 years and a upgrade fits better now days when electronics get better so fast :? (One can try tell that to a friend of mine who uses about a 20 years old TV :shock: . The freakin' thing look's like it's made of wood or something and you can imagine the picture quality, or wait, you probably cannot :lol: .)

bigbabyaggie
12-26-2004, 11:20 AM
I would like to get a plasma tv before it come out. It has been a few years since I purchased my last tv.

Z
12-26-2004, 09:50 PM
Samsung made the world’s biggest plasma tv, 102” and it has over 100 patents for it!!

Ragnorok
12-27-2004, 06:36 PM
Family gettin a new samsung dlp 50' or sony 50' grand wega, excited about watching the hltv, and playing ps3 :D