Innovation

[Z]

Every console generation has its promises of innovation. Current generation has real online gaming (namely PS2 and Xbox). However, PS2 did shine to give the best offerings; EyeToy and voice recognition. Both were partially or fully used in games. i.e. ‘Life Line’ is a fully voice recognition/command game. I think Xbox’s only offering was integrating customized music tracks to some game titles. Gamecube, disappointingly, offered nothing new. In fact, it lacked common features such as DVD move playback and real online support.
Now, about PS3 and nex-gen systems, what new gaming innovations do you expect? Remember that adding casual/common functions such as DVD movie playback and online play are not considered innovative. I am talking about ‘new’ game experiences.
Nex-gen is promising. We already have some ideas of such offering from the PS3:
-EyeToy 2
-Blu-ray
-Cell
EyeToy2, for example, is said to have high motion recognition that it could detect movement of individual fingers and facial expressions. Also, GT5 may offer to gamers the chance to use it to take their own pictures of cars to use in the game.
Blu-ray’s offering include High Definition content, much bigger space which allows a more flexible use for developers to give better results, i.e. graphic effects, textures, etc.
Cell may be the most ambitious; offering exiting features such as power distribution and “Grid” among others.
What do you think? What do you expect? What do you want?

[Voodoo]

well.....
couldn't imagine something new like the eye toy or voice recognition...
but since we they were both about senses, i was thinking scents...
like theres a card in the back of the ps3, like a scratch and sniff, but with ALOT of scents. And the game will control a laser inside the ps3 to point at one or two of the scents, giving arealism. like say you were in a burning builting, you would smell the fire. ect. ect. ec.t

[SERAPHIM]

Z man you said that the XBOX has nothing over the Playstation 2? Im sorry man but that just shows you need to buy an XBOX. And dont dis the cube. The cube may not have the amount of games that PS2 has, but im sure that more quality games come out of the cube.

My philosophy with the Playstation 2: 300 games a year
Only 5-10 are playable.

Add-ons are a plus with me. But just because PS2 or XBOX have the most add-ons doesnt mean I will play them the most. I like a console that can do what consoles were made to do in the first place... play good games.

[lepermesiah]

dont know about 5-10 but yea most of the games that come out for consoles do suck not just the ones for the ps2. Xbox had quite a few good games come out this year and alot of great ones coming out Q1 next year.
Game cube could have used a little more innovation besides its weird design and the ability to connect your gameboy to it.

[Domination]

Z man you said that the XBOX has nothing over the Playstation 2? Im sorry man but that just shows you need to buy an XBOX. And dont dis the cube. The cube may not have the amount of games that PS2 has, but im sure that more quality games come out of the cube.

My philosophy with the Playstation 2: 300 games a year
Only 5-10 are playable.

Add-ons are a plus with me. But just because PS2 or XBOX have the most add-ons doesnt mean I will play them the most. I like a console that can do what consoles were made to do in the first place... play good games.

That has more to do with personal preference than anything. You are not in any position to determine who should like what. What others may like, you may not and vice-versa. :wink:

[SERAPHIM]

[quote=SERAPHIM]Z man you said that the XBOX has nothing over the Playstation 2? Im sorry man but that just shows you need to buy an XBOX. And dont dis the cube. The cube may not have the amount of games that PS2 has, but im sure that more quality games come out of the cube.

That has more to do with personal preference than anything. You are not in any position to determine who should like what. What others may like, you may not and vice-versa. :wink:

Hehe. Thats why I said its my philosophy. 8)

I just dont feel like there are that many good games worth buying anymore for the PS2. The PS2 is losing points in my book. The Final Fantasy series has gone to hell after Enix bought Square. :x The last games I think Im gonna buy for PS2 are going to be MGS3, Grand Turismo 4, and Devil May Cry III. After that Im not wasting one more cent.

I hate how the industry is going all "hollywood". Alot of people think this is a good thing. But I wouldnt prefer it. If the video game industry becomes like hollywood, then it will become an industry of all eye-candy and no substance.

[BigPapaSmurf]

gamecube had the wavebird. it's the best wireless gaming pad that there is. trust me next gen sony and microsoft will be copying the wavebirds design.

[pc999]

The same I post before

I think that Nitendo is right and the inovation in video games will be only in the way we control the game (Nitendo DS like ).

I mean gfx till today ( and meybe in first next-gen games ) had bring inovation because they allow the player to do new thing ( like Splinter Cell, HL2, Halo ...)but will be a lot harder to make new effects that allow new gameplay, I already put a few posts in Controller thread, I hope that features like those and others like motion sensor, EyeToy like( meybe every race game would be "drived" like, and for figthing games... ), the big problem will be cost.
And worry me MS also that is very centric in PC, wich dont change at 10 years, I hope they overcome that.

[Z]

Z man you said that the XBOX has nothing over the Playstation 2? Im sorry man but that just shows you need to buy an XBOX. And dont dis the cube. The cube may not have the amount of games that PS2 has, but im sure that more quality games come out of the cube.

My philosophy with the Playstation 2: 300 games a year
Only 5-10 are playable.

Add-ons are a plus with me. But just because PS2 or XBOX have the most add-ons doesnt mean I will play them the most. I like a console that can do what consoles were made to do in the first place... play good games.

You got me all wrong. I never said that. And you missed my whole point.
I am NOT talking about games here. I am talking about “innovation”- ‘new’ offerings in the gaming world. I don’ care what is the best system and all of that.
The Xbox offered HD inbuilt, online and custom tracks in games. Now the latter is innovative and is a plus for Xbox, though this is not implemented in more games.
Now, Xbox’s online is ‘technically’ better than PS2’s. it is faster and easier to configure and start. Though PS2’s is better over all because it is free (only EQ &FF11 require payment) and it has more games offering online. Though Xbox Live only charges $50 a year, yet the principle still stand.
HD (hard drive) is another thing I think PS2 did better. Although coming later, in PS2’s case your weren’t charge for it initially. You buy it if you want it. Because there are people there that don’t want it and may argue that they are forced to pay more for something they don’t want. Of course after price cuts the Xbox handled the price issue.

Now, about Gamecube, I did forget that it offered connectivity with its handhelds. Yes that is a plus. Yet again, not enough games support this,
Again, we are not discussing games here, we are discussing innovative offerings in nex-gen.
There is one thing to add to this generation; PSP’s connectivity with PS2. this is immanent, thus this will cancel out Gamecube’s only innovative offering, and make the Xbox the only system to lack such a feature.


P.S.
My philosophy with the Playstation 2: 300 games a year
Only 5-10 are playable.

I think these past couple of moths alone offer much more AAA titles than that. :wink:

[The_One]

I just dont feel like there are that many good games worth buying anymore for the PS2. The PS2 is losing points in my book. The Final Fantasy series has gone to hell after Enix bought Square. The last games I think Im gonna buy for PS2 are going to be MGS3, Grand Turismo 4, and Devil May Cry III. After that Im not wasting one more cent.

I hate how the industry is going all "hollywood". Alot of people think this is a good thing. But I wouldnt prefer it. If the video game industry becomes like hollywood, then it will become an industry of all eye-candy and no substance.I totally agree with your points. Most game these days plain "suck". The console industry seem to be going down hill... If you meant "hollywood" as in too many movie turned into games, then you got another point. Every single damn movie that can possibly be turned into a game IS turned into a game (I mean, even movies like Pirates of the Carribean is turned into a game...).
The problem is that the devs aren't being innovative enough with the games themselves. And this problem seem to plague all three consoles at the moment (Sure... MGS3, GT4, DMC3 are AAA titles... but AAA titles appear too far apart and too many crappy filler games are produced).

Ahem, back to console innovation:
I'm not sure if anyone has ever been to Playdium and played it's Tekken fighting game that uses a camera to capture your movements and directly move the character in that manner. It's quite cool, and once you get used to it, you can fluidly pack some combos. If the Eye Toy 2 can match that kind of detection level, then I think we might see a port of this particular Tekken build on the PS3 :D.
Another thing is custom music track. Granted, the XBox has already done this, but that doesn't mean Sony or Big N can't copy them. I think custom music track adds a lot to the gameplay of games if you can listen to your favourite tunes while playing your favourite game.

Other then that... I don't see too many new innovations.

[Mitri]

i kinda thought that the custom soundtracks was a nice thing but not too many games had that feature so i doubt it will be their(about 60% against it) and since MS isn't going with the HD it probably won't be there unless sony does it. we can't expect nintendo to do it(at least i'm not expecting anything good from them)

i would like to see a controller that has no permanent buttons. the controller is like a touchscreen(somewhat) and whenever the game comes up(racing game for example) instead of using the usual directional pad or thumb stick on the controller, a small steering wheel appears where the directional pad shoud be. and you use that instead.

[Z]

I'm not sure if anyone has ever been to Playdium and played it's Tekken fighting game that uses a camera to capture your movements and directly move the character in that manner. It's quite cool

Sega’s up coming EyeToy game will have that as one of the mini-games it offers. You can fight Virtua Fighter characters. You will be standing on one side and your opponent on the other. It is somewhat close to the EyeToy: play’s boxing game, only you use your entire body and not just your upper torso.
And a lot of eyetoy games are coming out and from other developers other than Sony. That is encouraging

[The_One]

I'm not sure if anyone has ever been to Playdium and played it's Tekken fighting game that uses a camera to capture your movements and directly move the character in that manner. It's quite cool

Sega’s up coming EyeToy game will have that as one of the mini-games it offers. You can fight Virtua Fighter characters. You will be standing on one side and your opponent on the other. It is somewhat close to the EyeToy: play’s boxing game, only you use your entire body and not just your upper torso.
And a lot of eyetoy games are coming out and from other developers other than Sony. That is encouraging Very nice :D. I'll be sure to pick that title up... as well as Nike's excercising game :lol:.

[shadowofomioc]

Yeah I've never heard such an obsurd statement then someone saying the Playstation 2 has only 5 to 10 playable games a year. They had that many playable titles at LAUNCH, and that is coming from someone who thought the launch was sort of below average.

NHL 2001
SSX
Tekken Tag Tournament
Madden 2001
ATV Offroad Fury
Dead or Alive

Theres your 5 very very playable titles and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

The truth of the matter is that when it comes to titles the Playstation 2 pumps out more games then I could even begin to list that are far more then playable, but well worth the price to own it permanently. If you dont like the playstation 2, and obviously dont even look at the shelf anymore, then thats your business, but dont kill our intelligence and our gaming just because your biased.

[Rallyracr420]

Yeah I've never heard such an obsurd statement then someone saying the Playstation 2 has only 5 to 10 playable games a year. They had that many playable titles at LAUNCH, and that is coming from someone who thought the launch was sort of below average.

NHL 2001
SSX
Tekken Tag Tournament
Madden 2001
ATV Offroad Fury
Dead or Alive

Theres your 5 very very playable titles and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

The truth of the matter is that when it comes to titles the Playstation 2 pumps out more games then I could even begin to list that are far more then playable, but well worth the price to own it permanently. If you dont like the playstation 2, and obviously dont even look at the shelf anymore, then thats your business, but dont kill our intelligence and our gaming just because your biased.

Timesplitters fuggin rocked the house until Halo came out.

[shadowofomioc]

Yup Timesplitters rocked, and still does even compared to Halo. Better then Halo? No. Well, it had much better multiplayer in Timesplitters 2, but not better in overall game.

You put together the GTA series, Devil May Cry series, Ratchet and Clank, Jax, Twisted Metal, all the sports series, GRAN TURISMO and the upcoming gran turismo 4, Final Fantasy, Star Ocean, all the game collections, Suikoden 3, etc. etc. etc. I mean seriously, if you love gaming then you love the PS2, simple as that. Every month you get atleast 5 more games that are worth checking out, and double that during the holiday season.

[thenintendods]

you all want inovation ay? I wonder where you could find that in a console...

[Squinter]

Only recently have a seen a Gamecube in-person and man that thing is small, I personally like it. I would love to see next-gen. power in a small, portable package coupled with wireless connectivity similar to PSP or the DS. To me the idea of having a LAN party with my friends, in-person as opposed to on-line would be a blast. Right now, size and wires make it more of a pain than its worth. I know multiple monitors would be an issue, but many homes have 3 TV’s and of course there are small LCD’s similar to the PSOne LCD or the Gamecube’s LCD or even handheld connectivity. Also, one could maybe even use a laptop screen. Dedicated LAN parties are a blast. I don’t know if that qualifies as ‘innovative,’ but to package next-gen. power in wireless portable form is what I want.

[DappaDizzle]

you all want inovation ay? I wonder where you could find that in a console...


cough* ninty fan boy cough*

[98GTi-VR6]

you all want inovation ay? I wonder where you could find that in a console...

hey fanboy...stop trolling our boards.

Go find out how you can turn off wifi on your silly little handheld so that you can use it on a plane. Wow...innovation....

[shadowofomioc]

Innovation is going to be hard to come by in the next generation. I think the only thing innovating that could come out would be perhaps from the online gaming and the whole slew of innovating things that can come from that style of gameplay.

But even then, you'll have a hard time seeing anything trully innovative come out besides new gameplay ideas and such.

Maybe I'm just unimaginative, but I dont see anything really possible that could be called innovative.

[Z]

Only recently have a seen a Gamecube in-person and man that thing is small, I personally like it. I would love to see next-gen.
Haven’t you seen PStwo? Saying “AMAZING!!” is an understatement. Only PSOne is slightly smaller than it!!

[Z]

Innovation is going to be hard to come by in the next generation.
on the contrary, I see it as being easier due to better and faster technologies used. imagination is the limit.

Maybe I'm just unimaginative, but I dont see anything really possible that could be called innovative.
did anyone see EyeToy coming? nope. was it advanced technology? nope, just nobody really thought about using it in games.
how about voice commands? Life Line anyone?
sometimes innovation is not impossibly difficult processes. alot of times it is clever ideas used Imagintively.
we already hear about some of what EyeToy2 can do. we also have the whole PSP/PS3 connectivity idea to explore. I think we will see games that will feature EyeToy? and voice commands at the same time- maybe online too.

[Squinter]

Only recently have a seen a Gamecube in-person and man that thing is small, I personally like it. I would love to see next-gen.
Haven’t you seen PStwo? Saying “AMAZING!!” is an understatement. Only PSOne is slightly smaller than it!!

Nope. I just got back into gaming and do most of my shopping online. The last game I played...uhh was addicted to...was NHL 95' on the Genesis. I saw an ad for the PStwo and yes it looked small too, but the 'squatiness' of the Cube seems easier to throw into a case and take it with you. Too bad Nintendo doesn't have any games I'm interested in, however thats not the point of this thread.

[ZeeZ]

Every console generation has its promises of innovation. Current generation has real online gaming (namely PS2 and Xbox). However, PS2 did shine to give the best offerings; EyeToy and voice recognition. Both were partially or fully used in games. i.e. ‘Life Line’ is a fully voice recognition/command game. I think Xbox’s only offering was integrating customized music tracks to some game titles. Gamecube, disappointingly, offered nothing new. In fact, it lacked common features such as DVD move playback and real online support.
Now, about PS3 and nex-gen systems, what new gaming innovations do you expect? Remember that adding casual/common functions such as DVD movie playback and online play are not considered innovative. I am talking about ‘new’ game experiences.
Nex-gen is promising. We already have some ideas of such offering from the PS3:
-EyeToy 2
-Blu-ray
-Cell
EyeToy2, for example, is said to have high motion recognition that it could detect movement of individual fingers and facial expressions. Also, GT5 may offer to gamers the chance to use it to take their own pictures of cars to use in the game.
Blu-ray’s offering include High Definition content, much bigger space which allows a more flexible use for developers to give better results, i.e. graphic effects, textures, etc.
Cell may be the most ambitious; offering exiting features such as power distribution and “Grid” among others.
What do you think? What do you expect? What do you want?

What's cell? :?

[Z]

What's cell? :?
oh, it is just a free chili-dog that will ship with every PS3. the idea is to have a snack while playing. that is why Dual shock 3 will be catsup resistant.

[ZeeZ]

Why would anyone call a chili-dog a Cell?

[Z]

You see, the genius behind it is that current sausage manufacturing technology is comprised of cell-fusion, thus giving the code Cell is appropriate.

[PeanutButterMunky]

You see, the genius behind it is that current sausage manufacturing technology is comprised of cell-fusion, thus giving the code Cell is appropriate.
http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/laughing/astrosmiley.gif OMG!! That's too funny. And he doesn't get it ;) That's awesome...

[Mitri]

why won't you people stop playing with him/her and just tell him/her the truth.

i would say it but i really can't explain what it is exactly. here is a link that explains what it is: http://www.psinext.com/itex.php?iid=260

[Z]

Fun spoiler! ;)
Back on topic: Graphics alone can give new experiences, and not just be eye-candy. We see lighting play a big role in Splinter Sell. We see in MGS that you can shoot the radio the guards have. Also, physics is much better. We see more realistic car crashes, and better sports titles. And so on and so forth. Such ‘graphic implanting experiences’ are expected for nex-gen, especially from PS3!

[Z]

An interview in PSM with a person claimed to be working on PS3 had this to say:
“PS3 is slated to do facial recognition and be able to load games based on who it sees sitting in front of it using a built-in EyeToy that can “see” in 3D”

:shock:

now how cool is that?

[The_One]

Every console generation has its promises of innovation. Current generation has real online gaming (namely PS2 and Xbox). However, PS2 did shine to give the best offerings; EyeToy and voice recognition. Both were partially or fully used in games. i.e. ‘Life Line’ is a fully voice recognition/command game. I think Xbox’s only offering was integrating customized music tracks to some game titles. Gamecube, disappointingly, offered nothing new. In fact, it lacked common features such as DVD move playback and real online support.
Now, about PS3 and nex-gen systems, what new gaming innovations do you expect? Remember that adding casual/common functions such as DVD movie playback and online play are not considered innovative. I am talking about ‘new’ game experiences.
Nex-gen is promising. We already have some ideas of such offering from the PS3:
-EyeToy 2
-Blu-ray
-Cell
EyeToy2, for example, is said to have high motion recognition that it could detect movement of individual fingers and facial expressions. Also, GT5 may offer to gamers the chance to use it to take their own pictures of cars to use in the game.
Blu-ray’s offering include High Definition content, much bigger space which allows a more flexible use for developers to give better results, i.e. graphic effects, textures, etc.
Cell may be the most ambitious; offering exiting features such as power distribution and “Grid” among others.
What do you think? What do you expect? What do you want?

What's cell? :? It's a super processor... Plain and simple ;).
An interview in PSM with a person claimed to be working on PS3 had this to say:
“PS3 is slated to do facial recognition and be able to load games based on who it sees sitting in front of it using a built-in EyeToy that can “see” in 3D”

:shock:

now how cool is that? Wow, doesn't sound cool at all... Sounds more like hype than reality :?.

[Rob78]

Every console generation has its promises of innovation. Current generation has real online gaming (namely PS2 and Xbox). However, PS2 did shine to give the best offerings; EyeToy and voice recognition. Both were partially or fully used in games. i.e. ‘Life Line’ is a fully voice recognition/command game. I think Xbox’s only offering was integrating customized music tracks to some game titles. Gamecube, disappointingly, offered nothing new. In fact, it lacked common features such as DVD move playback and real online support.
Now, about PS3 and nex-gen systems, what new gaming innovations do you expect? Remember that adding casual/common functions such as DVD movie playback and online play are not considered innovative. I am talking about ‘new’ game experiences.
Nex-gen is promising. We already have some ideas of such offering from the PS3:
-EyeToy 2
-Blu-ray
-Cell
EyeToy2, for example, is said to have high motion recognition that it could detect movement of individual fingers and facial expressions. Also, GT5 may offer to gamers the chance to use it to take their own pictures of cars to use in the game.
Blu-ray’s offering include High Definition content, much bigger space which allows a more flexible use for developers to give better results, i.e. graphic effects, textures, etc.
Cell may be the most ambitious; offering exiting features such as power distribution and “Grid” among others.
What do you think? What do you expect? What do you want?
Im no X-Box fanboy, but y'all know that the PS2's online servise doesn't hold a candle to that of Microsoft's X-Box.

[amod20002004]

What's cell? :?
oh, it is just a free chili-dog that will ship with every PS3. the idea is to have a snack while playing. that is why Dual shock 3 will be catsup resistant.
That’s cool. I mean it’s really funny. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Im no X-Box fanboy, but y'all know that the PS2's online servise doesn't hold a candle to that of Microsoft's X-Box.


By that way, xbox’s total console sales don’t hold a candle to that of ps2’s total console sales.

I have played both online service, ya it’s true that xbox online service is better than ps2 but it doesn’t mean that ps2 online service is worst or bad. I think that ps2 online service is good enough to attract more customers/gamers. And also ps2 online service is absolutely free while I must pay to get xbox online.

[Rallyracr420]

I'd have to agree with Rob...XBoxLive is the shit.

Once you get the game up and going PS2's online experience is no different than XBox's. But signing up for each and every game separately on the PS2 sucks ass. I signed onto SSX3 online the other day and I had to create 3 different levels of names for my profile. If I have to do this with each and every game, it just creates longer delays that prevent me from playing instantly. XBoxLive has one signon for all games...its extremely user-friendly.

[Z]

Im no X-Box fanboy, but y'all know that the PS2's online servise doesn't hold a candle to that of Microsoft's X-Box.


PS2 online users exceed Xbox’s, despite:
- Xbox Live launching earlier.
- The convenience of having one user name to log in.
- HDD is built in. where in PS2 you have to pay extra.

For PS2’s online plus side:
- you have both broadband and dial-up connections.
- Free gaming (expect for FF11 and Everquest?).
- LARGER library.

You may think a dial-up option is unnecessary, but it is. Whne asked if PSTwo would support dial-up, Sony said that 40% of PS2 owners use it. You also have to keep in mind that MOST of the world use it. If you have broadband, consider yourself fortunate.

To add to that, PSM stated that Sony is working on making a ‘central hub’ for online experiences. I expect to see that on PS3 onwards.

[stanDarsh]

Hey Z, just so you know, only the US/Canada style broadband adapter for PS2 has both the line in and RJ45 plug. The European/Australian and as far as I'm aware the Japanese PS2s only have the RJ45 plug on the network adapter.

As for PStwo, I am yet to see the back of an Australian PS2 to find out, so I couldnt say for sure whether it includes 1 or both.

Also good thing to note that a lot of PS2 Online games won't run without a broadband connection.

[Z]

yes, and still.
nearly 40 million PS2s are served in North America. Sony said 40% of those are registered online. do the math; that is still a considerable number of users.

[stanDarsh]

Z, you are missing the point. A lot of PS2 Online compatable games require you to have a broadband connection, otherwise the game won't work. It is nice that they include a line-in, but is there much point including it when most games can't use it in the first place?

[The_One]

True enough. Only a handful new online games support dial-up now (ATV Offroad Fury 3 for one, but don't know any other), so I think dial-up is pretty much obsolete.

[Z]

I agree with both of you. Most games are broadband only, and dial-up is slowly dying- good thing by the way. I am only quoting Sony saying that 40% of registered users use dial-up. And 40% of +1.5 million is a lot.
I too am cursed to use dial-up, since broadband is not offered in my area (working on getting one anyway!). The biggest difference is you have up to 16 players online with voice chat in-game or in lobbies and the game is smoother.
I wonder if broadband and dial-up users can play each other?

[Z]

Here is a thought I had that makes online downloadable content huge:
You customize a car, character, arena, etc. then you upload them to the game server. Now, every other gamer in the world can download your work. By that, you practically have downloadable content daily!

[Omega Blue]

Im actually looking to see hand signal reconigtion rather then facial recognition. Everytime i think of Eyetoy 2 and Ps3 i see me holding my hands up scrolling threw the menus using my hards rather then the controllers. Matter fact everytime i think of that i see the scene of the Matrix reloaded where they have those floating 3d keyboards in Zion where the base operators are in that all white room. Plus remember those gloves in that patent? im lookin forward to seeing what Sony has instore for them.

BTW i have no doubt in my mind that Sony has something up their sleave for online gaming. They have a whole division dedicated to online gaming (SOE) im sure we'll see a Ps3"Live" like program.

[Coded-Dude]

That would require terabytes of space(allowing everyone to upload thier own work)
Sure it would be kick ass, but I don't think SONY is gonna fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars for storage and support of such a community.....unless they decide to charge for such options.

[Omega Blue]

That would require terabytes of space(allowing everyone to upload thier own work)
Sure it would be kick ass, but I don't think SONY is gonna fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars for storage and support of such a community.....unless they decide to charge for such options.

I thought you were talking about my post, but you said it would be expensive to upload your own work to Sony's servers, it would not cost as much as your exagerating. It would actually be very possible for Sony to do something like that. Or they could just host a picture of the car on their network, then if someone is interested in it, you could connect to the player via Sony's online network and you could send it to the other person from Ps3 -> SOE -> Ps3. It is only uploaded to sony's servers then deleted once transfer to the reciever of the file is done. It would only requier a healthy connection and not as much storage since the file isn't left on the server. But it is a rather complicated process, and could be dangerous if not throroughly tested.

Their are a bunch of ways community made material could be shared, the problem is will the Ps3 come with a standard HDD or storage device that is big enough to warrant such features?

[Z]

That would require terabytes of space(allowing everyone to upload thier own work)
Sure it would be kick ass, but I don't think SONY is gonna fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars for storage and support of such a community.....unless they decide to charge for such options.

I thought you were talking about my post, but you said it would be expensive to upload your own work to Sony's servers, it would not cost as much as your exagerating. It would actually be very possible for Sony to do something like that. Or they could just host a picture of the car on their network, then if someone is interested in it, you could connect to the player via Sony's online network and you could send it to the other person from Ps3 -> SOE -> Ps3. It is only uploaded to sony's servers then deleted once transfer to the reciever of the file is done. It would only requier a healthy connection and not as much storage since the file isn't left on the server. But it is a rather complicated process, and could be dangerous if not throroughly tested.

Their are a bunch of ways community made material could be shared, the problem is will the Ps3 come with a standard HDD or storage device that is big enough to warrant such features?

A Bitorrent-like option for PS3? Interesting.

About coast, I think every publisher will handle their own servers. Why should Sony pay for everything? So by that, uploading won't be a problem. And you don't need to have hundreds of thousands of uploads on your servers, they can delete the unnecessary ones. Also, you only have to save a simple code. You don't need to actually save the character or model you created. Just a simple code that will instruct your game to built it. Simple.

[Omega Blue]

A Bitorrent-like option for PS3? Interesting.

About coast, I think every publisher will handle their own servers. Why should Sony pay for everything? So by that, uploading won't be a problem. And you don't need to have hundreds of thousands of uploads on your servers, they can delete the unnecessary ones. Also, you only have to save a simple code. You don't need to actually save the character or model you created. Just a simple code that will instruct your game to built it. Simple.

Actually if you went the way of an exact bit-torrent like system you could almost completely eliminate Sony, instead you just sign into SOE's system, verify you are now online, then directly connect to You (X) to Y and send the file directly instead of uploading to Sony first then to Y.

Hey Z, you and I should work for Sony 8)

But i do have to dis-agree, i think Sony should be the ones who maintain the servers, much like how Microsoft does. Since if the developers have control ofthe servers they could charge varying amounts for online use and that could get expensive.

[slayerx]

how about a similar system to steam for sony or is that what you guys mean ?

[Coded-Dude]

okay.......a bit-torrent like program could work!
If everything is saved locally(on your PS3), and the only impact to sony is connecting, then it would be more feesible.
But wouldn't you always have to download from someone who is currently online?
If the data is not with sony and whoever created it were not online.....you'd be screwed(unless someone else is serving it up)
You would also have to worry about what else people are transferring over said systems(illegal content)

.....and don't underestimate the costs of IT! :?

Lets say there's gonna be roughly 50 million PS3 online users the first year(just an example)
If only half of those people created some custom character, vehicle, map, etc.
Your talking about 25 million people uploading a file somewhere.
Sure the file would probably only be 1MB or so, but mutliply that by 25 million. :shock:

Now lets beak down the hidden costs:
You must buy a SAN(and something to magane it), hire somebody to support it and secure it, pay for a hardware contract, get a manager to oversee it all, and of course pay for any licenses for that proprietary software.

Thats hundreds of thousands of dollars a year my friend....no exaggeration here.

[Lumine]

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Lets say there's gonna be roughly 50 million PS3 online users the first year(just an example)
If only half of those people created some custom character, vehicle, map, etc.
Your talking about 25 million people uploading a file somewhere.
Sure the file would probably only be 1MB or so, but mutliply that by 25 million. :shock:

Now lets beak down the hidden costs:
You must buy a SAN(and something to magane it), hire somebody to support it and secure it, pay for a hardware contract, get a manager to oversee it all, and of course pay for any licenses for that proprietary software.

Thats hundreds of thousands of dollars a year my friend....no exaggeration here.

It could very well cost fistfulls of cash to get that going, but the critical issue is 'will it make them more money than it costs.' User created mods extend the life of nearly every game available for the PC, and if enough of that money trickles back to Sony, then its a go.

[Coded-Dude]

It could very well cost fistfulls of cash to get that going, but the critical issue is 'will it make them more money than it costs.' User created mods extend the life of nearly every game available for the PC, and if enough of that money trickles back to Sony, then its a go.

....yes, that was my point. They have to make money off something like that.
So, the question is, where does this revenue come from?
Should/Could they start to charge us for internet use like XB Live?
Maybe a pay per use for X amount of MB, like 99 cents for 10MB of data transfer or 99 cents for 10 transfers period.

I dunno, but somebody is debating this behind close doors.... :shock:

[Z]

the new info about PSP/PS3 connectivity is very exciting. it mentioned something about PS3 doing all the processing work and just streams the results to PSP, thus minimizing power consumption and computation for PSP. that leads to longer battery life. that is very exciting news indeed.


this will be a plus for PS3. I wonder what Revolution will cook up for DS?