Piracy

[ssssss]

So are there chances for Modchips for PS3?Though it is illegal.But i cetainly like it.

[Jamie3000]

Every other Console has one, so I recken so. People out there just can't wait to start hacking.

[Scott R. Mraz]

Of course there will be mod-chips for the ps3. Just as with everything in life, there will always a way to subvert the system.

[Z]

Of course I do not encourage piracy at all. It does harm the industry that well love and support. What I am saying is that it may offer features that a people want. For example; I watch DVDs from all regions. It is not convenient, unpractical and playing silly for me to buy 3 or 4 PS2s to do this. Another example is playing Divx media. If you don’t have a PC, or yours is busted you can play Divx files on your PS2 (and Xbox for that matter). I am talking about such things. Take this idea for instance: IF the PS3 won’t play music CDs for example, then I would look for a mod chip to do that.
You see, one is free to do what ever with his property, as long as these manipulations do not step on others rights. For example, having a mod chip that plays pirated games is not an option. But if I have the ability to crack a game and manipulate it for my own enjoyment, that is ok. For instance, I could put my picture in the menu screen or change a certain music track, or ad a ‘gameshark’ affect like infinite ammo, that sort of thing. (Yes, more are difficult to do than others, these are just examples).

[stanDarsh]

I mostly agree with what Z has said here. Lets take the new DMS4 Pro Mod-chip for example, it comes with 2MB of flash so you can actually store "Homebrew ELF" files within the internal flash, which means things like Media players and Emulators you can store directly onto the chip (instead of the memory card), which is a pretty cool feature if you ask me.

I think Sony would have less of a problem with Piracy and Mod-chips in general if they made their consoles Multiregion to begin with. As in plays all region games and dvds, but does not play the backup copies, (even though you can legitimately make 1 backup of a game or dvd you already own).

[L3XO]

if theres a way to make somthing, then there is no doubt that it can be made by someone else, or modified for that matter.

in my opinion, i think its good to have mod chips. sure companies hate them, but if they wern't so greedy for money charging $100 per game then maybe there would be no such thing. its big companies who really created these, not people. people wouldnt bother making chips if prices were already affordable, but even so, this never teaches them a lesson, so i guess we have to rely on hackers after all. ive had my ps2 for over 3 years now and i only have 2 ps2 games. i think ps2 games should start from $10 and go up to $40 max.

[The_One]

I'm against piracy, but mod-chipping for reasons that Z states are practical, however, still on the illegal side of the boundary ;) (Why else do you think they have region codings? :P). Sure, it's inconvenient to buy 3 or 4 PS2's from different regions... but then, the government probably have reasons to region code the DVD's... Oh, except for PAL Land... they simply don't get anything good over there :lol: (e.g.: Xenosaga). So I guess it's justified to mod your PS3 if you live in an area affect by PAL :mrgreen:.

[Neon Sentry]

ive had my ps2 for over 3 years now and i only have 2 ps2 games. i think ps2 games should start from $10 and go up to $40 max.

Except that these aren't budget titles. It costs millions of dollars to make a video game nowadays. They not only need to make back operating costs, but some profit as well. The reason they can spend 10 million to make a game and charge you $50, while a 150 million dollar film can charge you $10 per view, is because the film is guaranteed an audience. A game's lucky if it sells several million copies. Most games simply flop. Sure, only 1 in 10 Hollywood films actually make back thier production costs, but they're offset by the studio's other projects (every single Swept Away and Gigli is made up for by a Spider-Man or Titanic)...

Ya just gotta wait for the gaming industry to fall into a proper rythm before it hits this type of idealogy, if it ever does

[ssssss]

Of course there will be mod-chips for the ps3. Just as with everything in life, there will always a way to subvert the system.


You really gave me the Best assurance. :D

[Z]

I do agree that games prices are a problem. $50 a game is a lot- especially when you consider that most games take 4-12 hours to finish. I say if a game cost $35, then they will sell more than double the number of copies that they usually sell when asking for $50. other strategies make the situation worse; EA stated that they will support their online sports games only till the next offering comes out. Then they will drop all support and shift to the new versions. That means you have to pay $50 to play online FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SPORTS TITLE EVERY YEAR!! Heck, Xbox’s online charge is much better; $50 per year, for all online contents.

[The_One]

I do agree that games prices are a problem. $50 a game is a lot- especially when you consider that most games take 4-12 hours to finish. I say if a game cost $35, then they will sell more than double the number of copies that they usually sell when asking for $50. other strategies make the situation worse; EA stated that they will support their online sports games only till the next offering comes out. Then they will drop all support and shift to the new versions. That means you have to pay $50 to play online FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SPORTS TITLE EVERY YEAR!! Heck, Xbox’s online charge is much better; $50 per year, for all online contents. That depends on what kind of game it is... If it's a game like MGS, where it takes relatively short amount of time to beat, but is really entertaining, then I guess the price of 50 can be justified... However, if it's just an average joe game, and it's asking for 50... then the price can't be justified, and I'm sure not much people will buy it either.

[Theo]

I don't like piracy, but it is not all bad. If I remember well there was a lot of talk going on that one (of course there was many other reasons...) reason why psone sold so good was because it was very easy to mod, and by the end of it's time it was not expensive to copy your own games or if not you always knew someone who could copy for you. So thanks to that Sony probably sold a lot more psones. I think that with ps3 it will take more time for the piracy to expand mostly because of blu-ray, but eventually it will...none can escape it.

[ssssss]

I do agree that games prices are a problem. $50 a game is a lot- especially when you consider that most games take 4-12 hours to finish. I say if a game cost $35, then they will sell more than double the number of copies that they usually sell when asking for $50. other strategies make the situation worse; EA stated that they will support their online sports games only till the next offering comes out. Then they will drop all support and shift to the new versions. That means you have to pay $50 to play online FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SPORTS TITLE EVERY YEAR!! Heck, Xbox’s online charge is much better; $50 per year, for all online contents. That depends on what kind of game it is... If it's a game like MGS, where it takes relatively short amount of time to beat, but is really entertaining, then I guess the price of 50 can be justified... However, if it's just an average joe game, and it's asking for 50... then the price can't be justified, and I'm sure not much people will buy it either.


And i have seen some real crap games with a hefty tag of price.So there is no need of buying those ones for sure.

[The_One]

And i have seen some real crap games with a hefty tag of price.So there is no need of buying those ones for sure. Agreed :).

[nesman]

Of course a mod-chip will be created. Hackers will always find a way. But downloading the game images would be hard since they're gonna be huge. I can't imagine how long it would take to download 30 GB on my connection...and its cable too. Then there is the problem of burning the image to a Blu-Ray disc. If the Blu-Ray format gets support, then by the PS3 launch maybe some burners will appear on the market.

[Theo]

Of course a mod-chip will be created. Hackers will always find a way. But downloading the game images would be hard since they're gonna be huge. I can't imagine how long it would take to download 30 GB on my connection...and its cable too. Then there is the problem of burning the image to a Blu-Ray disc. If the Blu-Ray format gets support, then by the PS3 launch maybe some burners will appear on the market.

I agree with you. If there will be a blu-ray burner by the time of ps3's release it would still be very expensive to get one and I assume that empty blu-ray discs will at first be expensive too. So Ithink there will not be much if not any larger scale piracy for the ps3 during it's release. Of course the point is that it can be done, if one likes to spend a lot of money to it.

[The_One]

I agree with you. If there will be a blu-ray burner by the time of ps3's release it would still be very expensive to get one and I assume that empty blu-ray discs will at first be expensive too. So Ithink there will not be much if not any larger scale piracy for the ps3 during it's release. Of course the point is that it can be done, if one likes to spend a lot of money to it. Actually, Blu-ray DISCS themselves aren't that much more expensive then current DVD's.

[Theo]

I agree with you. If there will be a blu-ray burner by the time of ps3's release it would still be very expensive to get one and I assume that empty blu-ray discs will at first be expensive too. So Ithink there will not be much if not any larger scale piracy for the ps3 during it's release. Of course the point is that it can be done, if one likes to spend a lot of money to it. Actually, Blu-ray DISCS themselves aren't that much more expensive then current DVD's.

Really :roll:? Are they already selling blu-ray discs or have they only decided for the prices? I remember the first "empty" DVDs being way expensive...Oh well, I guess the same is not gonna happen with blu ray then.

By the way. Where have you been? I haven't seen you around as much I used to.

[DappaDizzle]

i wont chip it untill the warrenty runs out

[High Lander]

Blue Ray burners are out since September, but it´s not something you can call CHEAP: US$3.000,00 in Japan

Oh, it´s a SONY product, hehehe

[Z]

The first one out was a Sony brand. Now there ae other options like Sharp and Panasonic; Sharp’s latest model is the first to offer an HDD (160Gb- if I remember correctly).

[ssssss]

Heres a panasonic blu-ray recorder.
http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en040630-5/en040630-5-1.jpg

[Theo]

Cool! :D If there's a burner there have to be discs too!? Does anyone know how much blu-ray discs cost in average?

[ssssss]

yes.Let me find some link for it.

[ssssss]

Here is it.http://www.blu-ray.com/media/