Wireless everything

[Z]

It is mentioned by some developers that nex-gen consoles would have wireless LAN, and perhaps wireless internet connection. It is also widely speculated that they will come with wireless controllers. I don’t know about wireless internet connection, but wireless controllers are very probable. I do think PS3 and nex-gen consoles will have wireless connectivity with all peripherals; controllers, headset, EyeToy, guncon, PSP, everything. Of curse IR won’t do, but RF or W/LAN is a good option.
What do you think?

[axia777]

Wireless everything? Would be sweet, but expensive$$$.

[ZeeZ]

Wireless everything? Would be sweet, but expensive$$$.
Not really, the Nintendo Wavebird (gamecube's wireless controller) wasn't really that expensive..
And wireless internet (WiFi) is also possible..A lot of people use WiFi these days. Eventually, the prices will go down once the PSP and PS3 are released.

[Z]

Wireless everything? Would be sweet, but expensive$$$.
Not really, the Nintendo Wavebird (gamecube's wireless controller) wasn't really that expensive..
And wireless internet (WiFi) is also possible..A lot of people use WiFi these days. Eventually, the prices will go down once the PSP and PS3 are released.
yes, wireless is becoming more and more cheaper. and about the controllers, they have to be rechargeable. changing batteries is not convenient. these are all really simple to do.

[PeanutButterMunky]

Yes...the "wireless everything" is something that I heard about as well (could be a rumor, but it makes sense). The PS3 will act as a "hub", and will have interconnectivity to many electronic devices (i.e. TV, PC, PSP, various other crappola) so that you'll have a world of synchroneity all around you ;)

[Rallyracr420]

http://gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=5765
Electronic Arts chief financial officer has told a US investment conference that the next-generation home consoles will feature wireless hubs, effectively putting wireless network access into millions of homes.

Speaking to the Credit Suisse First Boston Technology Conference, Jenson said that thanks to the next-gen systems, "in every living room, we'll have a wireless hub," which will create new opportunities for online gaming.

"You're going to start seeing increments of online-related revenue creeping into the revenue stream over the coming years," he commented. "As we get into the next generation of consoles and further globalisation, this becomes a much bigger deal."

Speculation has been rife for some time that the next-generation consoles would offer wireless connectivity, allowing them to tie in with the wireless LAN functionality of the Nintendo DS and Sony PSP handheld consoles as well as connecting to wireless routers or other consoles in the vicinity.

In terms of the new revenue streams offered by the boom in online gaming, Jenson was adamant that subscription services will only be one part of a wider overall picture, with additional content - both professionally created and user created - being another key potential income source.

"Ultimately what you'll see is a microtransaction environment where we'll be able to create additional content and sell it into these games," he explained. "Over the long term, you'll also have an environment where we'll build tools that allow the user community to build content and sell it into these games themselves."

[PeanutButterMunky]

EA seems to be the only gaming company giving out the dirt on next-gen at the moment...

[Rallyracr420]

The first 3-4 months of 2005 will offer more news than we can handle. All in all 2005 is going to be an awesome year. As gamers we get:
-The PSP
-The XBoxNext
-Full disclosure on the features of the PS3
-We finally get to see what Nintedo's big Revolution is
-A shitload of cool games

[axia777]

If they could figure out a way to make the PS3 wireless in everything it does to transfer data, well, I would be in fifth heaven. Sony would be pimp ass if they did that. Very kool. :D

[Z]

Well, keep in mind that Sony is da kin’ of kool !!

[ZipZapPro]

Does anyone think it is possible to have wireless RGB/S-Cable? I doubt it...also, an idea of mine is that when the PS3 is turned off, it should recharge its self thus not needing a cord to a AC Power outlet.

[Marjoh]

I'm pretty sure Sony would release a wireless DS3, but the controller pack with the system would probably be corded for the mass consumer. And as for the other peripherals mentioned, such as the headset, EyeToy, and Guncon?

Wireless headsets (the good ones) cost double or even more than their wired counterpart, but they should be able reduced the price in a year, so that seems reasonable.

EyeToy in the other hand...do we really it wireless? The damn thing seats on top of your TV about a few feet from the unit. And it doesn't work like a simple web cam and drains a lot of juiced.

And I believe GunCon is made by a 3rd party company. And I don't know the technicality so I'm not sure.

When thinking about this kinda stuff, you almost always need to remember the consumer big company aims for. After all, not every gamers are hardcore or techhead.

[Z]

Yeah, but you don’t need to be. The only two things that may get in the way of this is
1- Cost: if wireless peripherals would cost notably more, then I think it would be left for 3rd party makers to do it themselves.
2- Practicality: e.g. if a peripheral is not as responding, not preciase, needs charging very too often, etc.

Again, my only wish is to use rechargeable units, whether the batteries are in-built, or removable. I don’t want to change those terrible conventional batteries everyday.

Think how cool PS3 will look when having no ports at all! (like Phantom?)

[stanDarsh]

What I reckon would be a good move on Sony's part would be to have the 2 controller ports as always, but then also include 2 wireless controller ports so if wanna play 4 player games you can, but youd have to buy the more expensive, wireless controllers to make this possible.

[The_One]

What I reckon would be a good move on Sony's part would be to have the 2 controller ports as always, but then also include 2 wireless controller ports so if wanna play 4 player games you can, but youd have to buy the more expensive, wireless controllers to make this possible. Wouldn't you think that'd be a weird setup?

[stanDarsh]

No more weirder (yeah my english is good... :lol: ) than PS2's setup of 2 controller and 2 usb ports, if Sony or 3rd Party manufacturers really were bothered they would have also made USB dual shock 2s or equivilents, but instead they decided to cash in on Multi-tap.

[Z]

Wouldn’t it be cheaper to make all controller ports wireless?

[stanDarsh]

Perhaps, but then you couldn't ensure backwards compatibility with PS2 controllers etc. unless of course, the wireless receivers were detachable like the Gamecube ones

[Z]

I don’t see the point of having backward compatibility for the controller. If that is the case wouldn’t that mean PS3’s DualShock3 wont change much?
And speaking of backward compatibility, PS2 game playback is only initially important for a very short time. Besides, I think every PS3 owner has a PS2. if not, then he wont know what he’s missing.

[stanDarsh]

I doubt the Dual Shock 3 or whatever it is called will be that different from Dual Shock 2, perhaps with some triggers on the back, like others have mentioned. The point of having Dual Shock 2 backwards compatibility, is to ensure that you will be able to play PS2 games, some PS2 games might not allow you to play with a Dual Shock 3.

[Rallyracr420]

I foresee the DS2 controller being used on the PS3, but I don't foresee the DS3 being able to be used on the PS2. And if the DS3 controllers are wireless by default, then I expect only two controller ports on the system, and the other controllers will connect via built in wireless support in the system.

[Z]

In any case, I sure hope any peripheral would be rechargeable- meaning we don’t have to buy batteries all the time. They can recharge over night, then they’ll be ready for action the next time you want to play.

[markjensen]

PS2 game playback is only initially important for a very short time. Besides, I think every PS3 owner has a PS2. if not, then he wont know what he’s missing.

I would hate to have DVD, PS2, PS3, VHS and maybe also Xbox Next and N Revolution under my TV, and I don't think many PS2 titles will be ported (of course some titles will be on PS3, like sport titles, but not Final Fantasy and other RPGs)

[The_One]

PS2 game playback is only initially important for a very short time. Besides, I think every PS3 owner has a PS2. if not, then he wont know what he’s missing.

I would hate to have DVD, PS2, PS3, VHS and maybe also Xbox Next and N Revolution under my TV, and I don't think many PS2 titles will be ported (of course some titles will be on PS3, like sport titles, but not Final Fantasy and other RPGs) Why would you need a DVD player? PS2 and PS3 will both be able to play DVD's. Also, PS3 is confirmed to be backward compatible with PS2... So yeah, You'll only need PS3, VHS, and Xenon and N Rev. Unless you meant a DVD recorder, in which case, you won't need a VHS then ;).

[Z]

How long can you last playing old games when newer better versions come out?
I forget everything about a FF game as soon as a new title is released…well, except for the disgraceful FFX-2.
And if you own a PS3, that will replace your PS2, DVD player, BD player. And VHS? Why even bother when you have DVD?

[markjensen]

PS2 game playback is only initially important for a very short time. Besides, I think every PS3 owner has a PS2. if not, then he wont know what he’s missing.

I would hate to have DVD, PS2, PS3, VHS and maybe also Xbox Next and N Revolution under my TV, and I don't think many PS2 titles will be ported (of course some titles will be on PS3, like sport titles, but not Final Fantasy and other RPGs) Why would you need a DVD player? PS2 and PS3 will both be able to play DVD's. Also, PS3 is confirmed to be backward compatible with PS2... So yeah, You'll only need PS3, VHS, and Xenon and N Rev. Unless you meant a DVD recorder, in which case, you won't need a VHS then ;).

Well.. The_One said that he wouldn't mind if PS3 couldn't play PS2 games. And I need the DVD because I have surroundsound...

Z: Because 70% of my movies are VHS...

[Z]

I need the DVD because I have surroundsound...

But PS2 has surround Dolby Digital as well, and DTS too.

Because 70% of my movies are VHS
Old movies ok. But if you are renting or buying now, you should go with DVD. Although it will cost a bit more, the difference and convenience is worth it.

[markjensen]

But PS2 has surround Dolby Digital as well, and DTS too.
My speakers can only stick to my DVD :P

Old movies ok. But if you are renting or buying now, you should go with DVD. Although it will cost a bit more, the difference and convenience is worth it.
I am! But since I bought movies before DVD (really) came out, I still do have VHS.

[Z]

[quote=Z]But PS2 has surround Dolby Digital as well, and DTS too.
My speakers can only stick to my DVD :P

you can easily get connectors for anything to anything from radio shacks and electronic shops. I bought 5.1 surround speakers for my PC. I wanted to connect them to my TV , PS2 and DVD player, but its original sockets are only for PC sound cards. I got connectors, and wallah..it's magic, I tell ya! :D

[GUNDAMSEED]

Man i might be old school but i don't like wireless stuff . well it could be because i was playing TOS with one and it die in the middle of boss fight and i did not save in 5 plus hrs . If they do make 1 i hope it get's it power from the ps3 . i play rpgs really long thanks to being able to working at home .

[markjensen]

[quote=Z]But PS2 has surround Dolby Digital as well, and DTS too.
My speakers can only stick to my DVD :P

you can easily get connectors for anything to anything from radio shacks and electronic shops. I bought 5.1 surround speakers for my PC. I wanted to connect them to my TV , PS2 and DVD player, but its original sockets are only for PC sound cards. I got connectors, and wallah..it's magic, I tell ya! :D
Sounds good :D

[Sephiroth_VII]

Man i might be old school but i don't like wireless stuff . well it could be because i was playing TOS with one and it die in the middle of boss fight and i did not save in 5 plus hrs . If they do make 1 i hope it get's it power from the ps3 . i play rpgs really long thanks to being able to working at home .
I just bought a wireless controller for PS2, and it lasts 50 hours with 3 regular AAA batteries :D .
So RPG's are no proplem(Believe me, I play Star Ocean or Final Fantasy, round the clock :wink: )

[Z]

In CES, Panasonic showed off batteries that looked like normal ones only they last MUCH longer. So changing batteries may not be that annoying in the future.

[Coded-Dude]

So would it be Sony's job to sell, seperatly from the console of cousre, their own wireless switch/hub?
Or would it be the consumers responsibilty to go buy from a third party vendor and try and figure out the setup themselves.

Sony would probably do better to have thier own that has an easy UI, but I don't think they are in the networking business.
It would require a bit of money for deployment, but I would love to have a wireless PS switch that matched the theme of my PS(I would want at least four ports though).
The PS linux fans would probably jump on that too!

[Z]

how about using the PSP as a wireless controller?

[SuDzXdk]

that sounds like a really good idea :) Using the PSP as a controller. But wouldnt it use up the battery?? hmmm unless you have it attched to the AC cable but then it would be like having a wired controller in the first place... :?

[The_One]

In CES, Panasonic showed off batteries that looked like normal ones only they last MUCH longer. So changing batteries may not be that annoying in the future. I believe in you, Panasonic ;). When it comes to batteries, no one does it better than Panasonic :D. Well... Duracel and Energizer is debatable...:?

[Z]

that sounds like a really good idea :) Using the PSP as a controller. But wouldnt it use up the battery?? hmmm unless you have it attched to the AC cable but then it would be like having a wired controller in the first place... :?

why would it drain the battery? It won't be doing any processing or any thing. The most it may do is show something on the screen. It will only "show", the console will be doing
all the work. there won't be any major processing, no spinning UMD, no laser reading, nothing.

[The_One]

that sounds like a really good idea :) Using the PSP as a controller. But wouldnt it use up the battery?? hmmm unless you have it attched to the AC cable but then it would be like having a wired controller in the first place... :?

why would it drain the battery? It won't be doing any processing or any thing. The most it may do is show something on the screen. It will only "show", the console will be doing
all the work. there won't be any major processing, no spinning UMD, no laser reading, nothing. He didn't say drain, he said used.
Bottom line: Yes, it will "use" the battery (even if you weren't using the PSP, the battery still leaks power...)

[Pina]

With a USB cable it would be fun to connect the PSP to the PS3 and use it as a controller. This way, if i was playing online, it could be displayed on the PSP the faces of my opponents (through an eyetoy camera-like). Or much like the FF:Cristal Chronicles on the Gamecube, it could be used for personal information on multiplayer games, acessing the menu wihtout interrupting the other players, etc.

[Coded-Dude]

Hmmm....PSPG
Using the PSP as a network hub/switch would require another hardware upgrade and potentially, an increase in the overall cost.
As it is currently, the PSP is just a node with the ability to connect to a wireless Gateway.
It can in no way be a wireless gateway itself. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME THOUGH! :D

The only problem is wireless switches aren't cheap and usually have to use antennas for tranmission. The PSP might look kind of cool with a little antenna somewhere on it though.

And yes it would require excessive(in my opinion) battery use to transfer data through it.

My goal is to set up linux on my new PSTwo and use it to stream audio and video to my PSP. :lol:

[Lumine]

Is there lag in wireless controllers. I tried out a wireless mouse and keyboard but when I scroll or hit a key there is a split second delay that might just kill a normal man...

Seriously though, wireless controllers don't sound bad so long as 2 conditions are met. They can be charged without replacing batteries and when I hit buttons things start dying.

[Coded-Dude]

there is no connection whatsoever between the wireless communication of auxilary devices(keyboard/mouse) and wireless internet.

there will always be lag......depending on the traffic on your network.
But wireless can operate at the same speed as the PS2 network adapter 10BaseT or 10MB sec

[Crinx]

Call me old school, but I'm honestly not a huge fan of wireless controllers and other such accessories. While wires do clutter my gaming space, it's comforting to me to know that I don't have to worry about batteries dying during one of my long gaming binges, and there is absolutely no way for the signal to get interrupted.

That, and I make a habit of slamming controllers on the ground via the wire when I get pissed.

[MiThRaZoR]

^^^ I got ya back playa.

Same here. I like wires. I feel confortable with them. But I might try a wireless if it's good.

[Lumine]

there is no connection whatsoever between the wireless communication of auxilary devices(keyboard/mouse) and wireless internet.

there will always be lag......depending on the traffic on your network.
But wireless can operate at the same speed as the PS2 network adapter 10BaseT or 10MB sec

I'm not talking about internet lag. I'm talking about (assuming we're using word here) lag between when i hit the buttons to type this and when they appear on the screeen.

That said, unless there is some serious 'wow' factor with wireless controllers I'm with the previous 2 dudes

[Ferrismc]

The trailer is a movie sequenz so nothing to be stunned. It's normal nowadays, look at Onimusha 3 etc.

[ZeroFate]

that sounds like a really good idea :) Using the PSP as a controller. But wouldnt it use up the battery?? hmmm unless you have it attched to the AC cable but then it would be like having a wired controller in the first place... :?

Well, sounds good but you're forgeting one major thing: The PSP doesn't have another analog stick & R2/L2. More than likely the PS3 will have these (maybe more) so this isn't gonna happen.

[The_One]

there is no connection whatsoever between the wireless communication of auxilary devices(keyboard/mouse) and wireless internet.

there will always be lag......depending on the traffic on your network.
But wireless can operate at the same speed as the PS2 network adapter 10BaseT or 10MB secDon't you mean 10Mb? 10MB per second is WAY too fast :lol:. (10Mb is roughly 1.25MBp/s).

[Coded-Dude]

YES, thanks for the correction.....I am usually pretty good about scanning for typos!

[Z]

Sony is always flexing their tech muscle. Since Ninty announced Rev to feature wireless connectivity, my guess is that PS3 will as well.
They did hint that PS3 may feature Wi-Fi, but never confirmed it.


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38 days to E3!!

[The_One]

there is no connection whatsoever between the wireless communication of auxilary devices(keyboard/mouse) and wireless internet.

there will always be lag......depending on the traffic on your network.
But wireless can operate at the same speed as the PS2 network adapter 10BaseT or 10MB sec

I'm not talking about internet lag. I'm talking about (assuming we're using word here) lag between when i hit the buttons to type this and when they appear on the screeen.

That said, unless there is some serious 'wow' factor with wireless controllers I'm with the previous 2 dudes Although I've never personally experienced it myself, I have heard people complain about wireless latency, even with a 2.4Ghz device. If you get wireless products from reputable vendors such as Logitech, you shouldn't have a problem with latency (Where I get almost all my accessories :P. Logitech = teh pwnz0rz).

[Z]

Again, I have devised an ingenious plan to solve the wireless issue. will my brainstorming ever stop?!

Here it goes:
The only problem with wireless controllers- and other peripherals- is recharging. It is really frustrating to comeback from work/school all excited to grab your trusty PS3 only to find out that the controllers ran out of juice, just staring at the menus screen ready to kill yourself.
So why not have a controller-or any peripheral for that matter- that doesn’t plug to an outlet, but to PS3 itself. When connected the controller can both be played with and charged at the same time (ala PSP). So when you feel like going wireless, just unplug your controller on the fly. If it is running out of juice, just plug it in-again- on the fly.

Of course the cable can also be disconnected from the console itself.
This could be done for every add-on there is; steering wheels, gun-con, headset, eyetoy, dancing pads, etc.

what say you?

[n1n9tean]

Again, I have devised an ingenious plan to solve the wireless issue. will my brainstorming ever stop?!

Here it goes:
The only problem with wireless controllers- and other peripherals- is recharging. It is really frustrating to comeback from work/school all excited to grab your trusty PS3 only to find out that the controllers ran out of juice, just staring at the menus screen ready to kill yourself.
So why not have a controller-or any peripheral for that matter- that doesn’t plug to an outlet, but to PS3 itself. When connected the controller can both be played with and charged at the same time (ala PSP). So when you feel like going wireless, just unplug your controller on the fly. If it is running out of juice, just plug it in-again- on the fly.

Of course the cable can also be disconnected from the console itself.
This could be done for every add-on there is; steering wheels, gun-con, headset, eyetoy, dancing pads, etc.

what say you?

Just like many mp3 players that synch/charge while connected by USB (Creative Zen micro for example {which I'll be getting soon 8) }). I like that idea as a perfect solution. I just hope Sony are already thinking of it. :wink:

[Z]

no that it has been revieled: PS3 will have up to 7 bluetooth wireless controlers.

I expect other periphirals to be counted with them as for example EyeToy, steering wheel, guncon, dance mat, etc.

and now that evey system is going wireless, it sure makes things much cleaner.

another exciting feature is that any EyeToy in the world could connect to any PS3. and any PSP could connect wirelessly to PS3 anywhere in the world. it is also confirmed that PS3 can stream to PSP's screen, and that PSP can be used as a remont control or a controller.

now imagine this, you can play head to head with you buddy in China where he is sitting in his room playing PS3 while you are walking down the street on the other side of the world! plus you can see his face when you beat him through EyeToy streeming!!

Gwad! I NEVER imagined something so wicked!

that's PS3 for ya 8)

[Domination]

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Domination/connect.jpg

If you include the PSP, it turns up to be more like TEN wireless
controllers and three (or more) that'll be running on a wired connection
for the USB ports, including a wired PlayStation controller. So all in
all, I would say 11 to 14 hand controllers and 14 or maybe more max
connections/controllers total. :wink:

[Z]

Octopus :shock:

[Ducey]

And recharge your wireless controllers via a usb cable, say, one plugged into your PS3 perhaps?

Sony will make a fanboy outta me yet.

[Saibo]

It is mentioned by some developers that nex-gen consoles would have wireless LAN, and perhaps wireless internet connection. It is also widely speculated that they will come with wireless controllers. I don’t know about wireless internet connection, but wireless controllers are very probable. I do think PS3 and nex-gen consoles will have wireless connectivity with all peripherals; controllers, headset, EyeToy, guncon, PSP, everything. Of curse IR won’t do, but RF or W/LAN is a good option.
What do you think?

Funny you mention wireless Eyetoy, it would cool if they figure a way to make a game that uses 3 eyetoy, to scan your body and place into the game? i dont know..but having 3 would make it possible, for triangulation reasons(ala 3D scanner). Though this would have to one hell of a great game, to make people want to buy 3 eyetoy.. :lol:

[Mordecaii]

I must say, I'm glad that Sony is using rechargable controllers whereas it looks like MS will require AA batteries (this might change but it's how things currently are). I hate having to buy batteries! :evil:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

with 24 hours of batterie life! If you manage to kill that you need to get a job, or another job, or a hobby, or somethin. :lol:
This makes me happy cuz I don't have to worry about people tripping over cords or yanking them out or whatever and destroying my ps3 some day. Walk right by!

[JetBlackRX89]

Yeah but will interference be a problem? There have been a lot of times where kids outside were using RC cars and it somehow affected random things in my house.

Maybe not the case with the controllers. Each controller must have some distinct signal or something so the receiver doesn't get confused. Like two controllers won't accidentally be set up for the player 1 position and confuse the game by both trying to control it at once.

[n1n9tean]

Yeah but will interference be a problem? There have been a lot of times where kids outside were using RC cars and it somehow affected random things in my house.

Maybe not the case with the controllers. Each controller must have some distinct signal or something so the receiver doesn't get confused. Like two controllers won't accidentally be set up for the player 1 position and confuse the game by both trying to control it at once.

Yep, that's how it works....Radio-wave controllers anyway (like the Logitech Cordless Action Controller)...But anyway that doesn't even apply to PS3 controllers since they will be Bluetooth. And I doubt you'll be interfered by any kids with bluetooth-controlled toy cars (do they even exist???). :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Maya 5.0]

Ya i would be more worried anout the 360's controllers since they are wi-fi than bluetooth since things like microwaves and other electronics seem to cause wierd to 2.4ghz.

[lip2lip]

blue tooth is designed to allow many many devices in one area. and blue tooth 2.0 is way better for that too. dunno about xbox. is it rf? could be disappointing if I cannot use phone while playing.

[n1n9tean]

From all the specs sheets I've seen on Xboxnextbox I never seen the word bluetooth. It uses RF controllers.

[Domination]

That's because the Xbox 360 doesn't have it. Maybe it's because it was too exspensive, or maybe they didn't think about it in time.

[Mordecaii]

Some people also claim it's because Sony came up with Bluetooth... could be true, but I won't bet on it.

[n1n9tean]

I didn't know Sony invented Bluetooth. :?

[Mordecaii]

Yeah... from what I've been told it was Sony Ericsson that came up with it.

[Domination]

Blue Tooth is in just all of their products, so I would guess that Sony has a strong hand behind this technology because Sony isn't really a company that uses other tech from other companies without having a hand in the deal first. So this couldn't be far from the truth.

[n1n9tean]

Did they help create Memory Stick aswell or was that all Sandisk? Just curious.

[david1023]

Yeah... from what I've been told it was Sony Ericsson that came up with it.

You're half right, Bluetooth was invented by Ericsson alone. But they and Sony do sleep on the same bed.

[Z]

Memory Stick is a trademark of Sony. it used to be only on Sony products, now Sony licenses them to who ever wants it.

X2 controllers are Radio Frequency (RF). many 3rd party wireless controllers are RF, if not all.

[Domination]

Yeah... from what I've been told it was Sony Ericsson that came up with it.

You're half right, Bluetooth was invented by Ericsson alone. But they and Sony do sleep on the same bed.

Sony and Ericsson have merged the electronics. It's not like an exclusive deal or something. Fot instance, the Sony Ericsson phone.