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Rob78
01-09-2005, 06:27 AM
Halo 2 was one of the most anticipated titles in gaming history, if not "The Most" anticipated. The end result wasn't quite what everyone was expecting, but there's no questioning it's greatness. Halo's popularity obviously demands a sequel from Bungie. so I'm here to provide an example of some of the things that Halo 3 could do to create a more intense action experience for it's single player campaign.

"Emotional Intensity"

While Halo and it's sequel both packed a punch when it comes to story, they lacked emotion overall. It's obvious that Bungie tried to make the game incredibly cinematic, but it failed in one point: playing on gamer's emotions. This doesn't mean that the game should make you break down and cry with sadness, and it shouldn't make you cheer with glee out of happiness, instead it should make you feel for the Chief, and it should create a bond with the characters around you.

Imagine if the Master Chief were surrounded by enemies, 6 or so Elites, a dozen Drones, a pack of Grunts, and Jackals slumped upon a sniper ridge. Now picture the Master Chief taking all of these enemies out single handedly. Sure it's badass and all, but where's the excitement? Instead, a pelican or some other form of Marine Transport could rush in and drop down some reinforcements, saving the Master Chief's ass in the process. Now that's exciting!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/ptrferdinand/halo3byglubsies.jpg
Art by: Nathias Ruiz-Used under concent(He's my friend)

As you can see above, a night time scene would work well for this. Perhaps in the rain, with a ton of fog. The Marines could bust in from the top, via a Pelican. See that other Spartan? You haven't seen another Spartan in either of the Halo video games, but if you've read the novels, you'd know that there are a few more surving Spartans aside from The Master Chief. Halo 3 could finally introduce them, and maybe they could be involved in a rescue scene like this one.

The Chief should not seem so superhuman in Halo 3. We all know by now that he has the strength of a dozen men, the speed of a cheetah, and the agility of an Olympic Athlete, but wheres the fun in fighting by yourself? The attachment with allies should be deepened. Halo 3 should force you to work alongside Marines or ODST Soldiers, instead of giving you the opportunity to run the gauntlet single handedly. This could quite easily be done without making the Chief seem weaker, but at the same time, making him seem much more human. Chief is a super soldier, but it's becoming less and less fun to fight a one man war in video games these days.

"This Operation Is FUBAR!"

Do you remember the 2 minute assault on the beach during the "Silent Cartographer" level in the first Halo? If you don't, then you obviously haven't played the game, because that was the most memorable and cinematic battle in the entire franchise thus far. If and when Halo 3 is released, it will more than likely be launched for the Xbox 2, which means that Bungie will have much more disk space to work with, meaning they can implement much more detail, as well as pack many more objects onscreen without sacrificing other elements of the game. This would allow the designers to create many more epic battles, perhaps even an all out conflict between hundreds of Marines, Elites, Brutes, Grunts, Jackals, Drones, and other enemies and allies, all of them either on foot with guns blazing, or in vehicles trying to run eachother down.

There should be much more of this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/ptrferdinand/moreofthis.jpg

And a whole lot less of this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/ptrferdinand/lessofthis.jpg

As I'm sure everyone figured out either when it was announced, or when they played Halo 2, the ATV was canned during production. Many gamers were outraged, simply because it seemed so damn fun to mess with, even though we had never seen it in action. It's not hard to figure out why it was let go though; there's simply no place for it in the single player campaign. The reason there's no real place for it is because there are no wide open environments to explore with it. Halo 3 could pack in much larger environments, with much more detail. Imagine riding off of a Pelican with an ATV, buzzing through a large valley with a sniper riding along behind you, all in an effort to carry him to a vantage point to aid soldiers in need. The battle would heat up wildly, and the drama would be through the roof.

While wide open environments are awesome, Halo 3 would still need to include a few indoor locales too. One of Halo 2's biggest weaknesses for me was it's repetitive indoor environments. "Assault on the Control Room" was one of Halo's most beloved maps, why? Because it includes a variety of indoor and outdoor settings, with that warlike scene that I've been dreaming up, if only on a much smaller scale than it should be. Halo 3 has the potential to shake things up in the FPS genre, and it should take initiative to do so by creating more tension and drama (Emotional Intensity).

"Dear Humanity, We Regret Being Alien Bastards!"

The protection of Earth should take the place of the overall theme of Halo 3. Obviously there will be a couple of sub-plots (if you have seen Halo 2's grand finale, you know what those are), but The Master Chief needs to get his butt back to Earth if he plans on saving his homeworld. Bungie has been touting Earth as the Human's last safe haven, yet if it's so important, why were there only 2 levels that took place there? Halo 3 should focus at least half of the game on Earth in order to appease fans of the series. It's obvious that gamers were not satisfied (in large part) with the campaign mode, because it was just as repetitive as the first game.

When I last saw the Arbiter, he had teamed up with 2 groups of Covenant races in order to defeat the traitors. There's no telling what could happen next involving this civil war, but what could really stand out is the effect it has on the Human Race. Will the Arbiter's tea still fight against the Humans? Or will they choose to team up with them to stand against the traitors? These are questions that could have surprising results in Halo 3, and they could have an adverse effect on gameplay as well. Picture the Master Chief fighting alongside his Marine allies when all of a sudden a group of Elites and Grunts appear from above. The humans wouldn't quite realize what was going on until the Arbiter cleared a path through his troops to speak with the Master Chief about an alliance. Now that's cool.(That'd be the most memorable moment in gaming history!!!!)

"Bad Cyborg!"

Vehicles play a huge role in Halo, not just in gameplay, but in cinematics as well. The Pelican is used to drop down troops and vehicles, but imagine if the Chief could fly a Pelican himself, or another flying transport. Instead of having a weapon, the player could have soldiers board the belly of the machine. They could latch vehicles on to the Pelican by hovering above them and holding the Left Trigger. When the player reaches their desired destination, they simply press the left trigger again and their vehicles plops down to the ground. The soldiers could file out of the Pelican along with the player as soon as his feet touched ground, and the adventure could continue. This would add a much needed transport mechanism for times when the Warthog simply cannot carry enough troops to the desired stop.

Another point in Halo's admittedly large list of small mistakes is weapon variety. Bungie created a number of new weapons for Halo 2, but almost every one of them was a clone of another weapon. The Carbine was a copy of the Battle Rifle, with a small twist, the Particle Beam Rifle was an exact copy of the Human Sniper Rifle, the SMG was a clone of the old Assault Rifle, and the Battle Rifle was all but useless in most situations. Bungie needs to shake things up the next time around, and they can onyl do so by adding new weapons that cannot be directly related to the older models. The sword and the Sentinel Gun were unique, but I had seen both of them before in the first game. The Brute Shot is pretty much just a grenade launcher with a hefty blade attached to it, and it's fairly useless. Note to Bungie: Spice things up a bit on your third time around, include some truly alien weapons. Maybe a gun that; instead of hurting an enemy, stunned them instead. Sort of like a tranquilizer weapon that can knock out an enemy for a few seconds. In fact, instead of targeting only one enemy with it, how about having the weapon fire exploding bullets or grenades into a crowded area to paralyze a group of enemies? That would provide a sufficient advantage, enough so to warrant picking it up when you need to gather ammo or escape from a particularly nast situation.

"Sir...Finishing This Fight"

Halo 3 could very well end the Halo franchise for good, putting an end to all unanswered questions, and haulting the series before it becomes too dry. With a few tweaks to the system, it could become one of the most cinematic gaming experiences that anyone has ever witnessed. Bungie has a ton of potential on their hands, but it's up to them what they do with it. Let's hope that we come away with an amazing gaming experience.

It is not my goal to try and persuade Bungie to use these ideas, I simply want to address certain flaws, and ponder up some ideas that could be worked into making Halo 3 the standout title of the next generation of games.

I took some time writing this, trying to address all of the aspecs that weren't perfect in Halo 2 and I can only hope that you find these ideas reasonable, and that you don't think I'm trying to knock on Halo 2's greatness.

Skidz
01-09-2005, 07:51 AM
Hey, are u trying to knock on Halo 2's greatness?!?

j/k :lol:

.hitman
01-09-2005, 09:27 AM
IMO I dont think Halo 2 was nearly as good as Halo. Microsoft and Bungie focused to much on Multiplayer. The only thing that I like about Halo 2 was the fact that you could have 2 guns and also multiplayer was alright. Nothing else was good and the ending sucked arse. Also nice post.

Rob78
01-09-2005, 09:35 AM
Thank you .hitman, and welcome to the boards!

As I mentioned in my post, Halo 2 was great, not perfect, but great. Many gamers thought that the first halo was superior to it's sequel, but in my views, Halo 2 was vastly improved. Not only was the game a visual fest, but it played well and the learning curve was about 10 minutes. Halo 2 had many plotlines going all at once, which in my view, is what caused the story to seem a bit over-done. The ending is a cliffhanger, it is supposed to build suspense, but I still wanted to strangle the neanderthal that did this! Someone, quick, get me a voodoo doll with the Bungie logo! :lol:

Black Ops
01-09-2005, 10:39 AM
Thank you .hitman, and welcome to the boards!

As I mentioned in my post, Halo 2 was great, not perfect, but great. Many gamers thought that the first halo was superior to it's sequel, but in my views, Halo 2 was vastly improved. Not only was the game a visual fest, but it played well and the learning curve was about 10 minutes. Halo 2 had many plotlines going all at once, which in my view, is what caused the story to seem a bit over-done. The ending is a cliffhanger, it is supposed to build suspense, but I still wanted to strangle the neanderthal that did this! Someone, quick, get me a voodoo doll with the Bungie logo! :lol:

Cliffhanger for the 3rd one of course. I would love if the other sparts like Fred could come back. I mean not all of them died. Li just had to die.... GRR at the novel writers!! Halo 2 was more multiplayer based than single. It was move situated towards that aspect. Can't wait for #3. I mean Earth's last stand should involve like huge battles and stuff.

Rob78
01-09-2005, 10:52 AM
Not huge. Epic.

markjensen
01-09-2005, 12:50 PM
Whats so great about Halo? Never figured out :( (I have only seen a couple of screenshots)

Illmatic
01-09-2005, 01:10 PM
The first time i played halo i thought it was pretty good, but then i hired it out again about a year later, and i just couldn't really get into it, i just genuinely didn't like it.
I think halo2 would pretty much be the same so i haven't touched it, maybe the hype killed it for me.
I reckon Cronicles of riddick is the best FPS on the xbox.

stanDarsh
01-09-2005, 03:24 PM
I reckon Cronicles of riddick is the best FPS on the xbox.

Agreed! I was a bit disappointed with Deus Ex 2: The invisible war, and I am yet to play Halo 2, but as far as Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay goes, I was very impressed, and until Half Life 2 and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes came out, it easily my favourite FPS of the year, now it is a tough one to pick.

ZipZapPro
01-11-2005, 12:06 AM
You right, lets wait another year or two to get this game! Or...just buy Killzone on PS2 right now because Killzone is SO much better! :? seriously, im not a Halo hater, I think Killzone is better! by alot!

HGwells
01-11-2005, 12:19 AM
You right, lets wait another year or two to get this game! Or...just buy Killzone on PS2 right now because Killzone is SO much better! :? seriously, im not a Halo hater, I think Killzone is better! by alot!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

andaris
01-11-2005, 12:22 AM
You right, lets wait another year or two to get this game! Or...just buy Killzone on PS2 right now because Killzone is SO much better! :? seriously, im not a Halo hater, I think Killzone is better! by alot!
KILLZONE wow u crack me up its not bad .... but not comparable with halo

Rob78
01-11-2005, 12:32 AM
You right, lets wait another year or two to get this game! Or...just buy Killzone on PS2 right now because Killzone is SO much better! :? seriously, im not a Halo hater, I think Killzone is better! by alot! Halo...Killzone... :lol: They aren't even in the same level, Halo 2 was epic and Killzone...wasn't.

The_One
01-11-2005, 01:23 AM
I took some tiem writing this, trying to address all of the aspecs that weren't perfect in Halo 2 and I can only hope that you find these ideas reasonable, and that you don't think I'm trying to knock on Halo 2's greatness. How ironic... You took the time to write this up, yet made an amateur spelling mistake :lol:.

Ahem, anyhow, back to business.
Halo...Killzone... :lol: They aren't even in the same level Agreed. Halo is more of a "one man suicide mission". Whereas Killzone has a more "war like" feel to it. Both of them are on two different levels, and appeal to different people. Both of them are great games, and if I had to pick a game, I'd pick Halo anyday -- Headshot anyone? (A question that's been pondering me for ages: Is it a glitch or were the devs too lazy to program Head Collision Detection into the engine to detect Head Shots?).

Another question worth pondering: I wonder when they will actually release Halo 3 -- Halo 2.5 anyone? :roll:.

night rider
01-11-2005, 01:37 AM
that was great, except one thing you got wrong. halo 2 wasn't the most anticipated game, it was Half Life 2

Rob78
01-11-2005, 02:11 AM
that was great, except one thing you got wrong. halo 2 wasn't the most anticipated game, it was Half Life 2 No....Halo 2 outsold GTA: San Andreas 2:1, it made Microsoft $125 million in the first weekend of retail, it outsold even blockbuster titles like SpiderMan, which made $114.3 million in the first weekend, and it's succeeder, SpiderMan 2, which made $119 million in the first weekend. What I am trying to say with this is...Halo 2 was one of, if not the, most important video game releases in history. On Thursday November 9th, 2004-12:00AM, Halo 2 launched, and the Earth never was the same again.

The_One
01-11-2005, 02:13 AM
On Thursday November 9th, 2004-12:00AM, Halo 2 launched, and the Earth never was the same again. I wish that was true... Unfortunately, I still have to go to work, at the same time, do the same stuff, etc... Nothing in the world has changed -- except M$ now has a few more pocket change to play around with.

Rob78
01-11-2005, 02:42 AM
It's called sarcasm...

The_One
01-11-2005, 07:35 PM
It's called sarcasm... Same here :mrgreen:.

andaris
01-11-2005, 09:53 PM
im glad that im surrounded by halo fans such as myself :cry: (of happiness)

pHeLiOs27
01-13-2005, 08:40 PM
that was great, except one thing you got wrong. halo 2 wasn't the most anticipated game, it was Half Life 2

Half-Life 2 is a pc game

I'm sure he was talking console-wise.

Avangel
01-13-2005, 11:23 PM
If halo 3 comes and is not even as good as the first one i will be angry! halo 2 truley disapointed me in storey and game play, the dual wepons was fun and all but why the nerf teh pistol it was my favorite gun in the first one! Halo 3 better have much higher anticipation and be better than the second! in halo 2 the marines helped but not much you did all the work your self when you could it was fun using them but tehre were no really big battles like in silent cortographer battle in halo. Bungies going to busy busting the asses of makign halo 3 becuase it will have muhc muhc higher expectation.
Sincerly avangel

andaris
01-13-2005, 11:54 PM
guys remember there is a possibility about halo 2.5....

pHeLiOs27
01-14-2005, 12:24 AM
guys remember there is a possibility about halo 2.5....


There is no truth to this rumor.


Halo 2 was a great game. Hard as hell on legendary. However, the first one felt more "epic".

Rob78
01-14-2005, 12:37 AM
guys remember there is a possibility about halo 2.5....


There is no truth to this rumor.


Halo 2 was a great game. Hard as hell on legendary. However, the first one felt more "epic".

Actually, Bungie has already stated that a Halo 2.5 is possible, it will, as J. Allard said, "Have the same story, with some extras thrown in." What Microsoft wants to do with the Halo series isn't to end it, that's their cash cow, and they're going to milk it for all it's worth.


X-box Live will come packaged with the X-box 2, as said by the same man at the GDC(Game Developers Confrence).

Microsoft wants to make the Live service available to everyone, with subscribers getting some extras. With that they hope to attract a broader audiance. It's not like the yearly price of $49.99(or monthly price of $4.99) is a big price to pay for the most feature-rich online service for any console in video game history, but instead it is the monthly broadband bills...

What Microsoft hopes to do is to help with that. so that more can play and enjoy the phenomenon that is X-box Live.

EDIT: I really don't like the guy with the "X-box Dead" avatar...

The_One
01-14-2005, 12:41 AM
Who has the XBox Dead avatar :shock:.

Rob78
01-14-2005, 12:59 AM
Who has the XBox Dead avatar :shock:. I don't know, he will probably post here after my comment. :lol:

Ryu Kai Masuffe
01-14-2005, 08:44 PM
How long did it take you to copy/paste Rob?

andaris
01-14-2005, 10:08 PM
oooooooooh busted.... :shock:

The_One
01-16-2005, 05:22 AM
How long did it take you to copy/paste Rob? Quite a long time... considering that he actually FORMATED his post :lol:.

stuffedsquirrel222
01-16-2005, 08:03 PM
that was great, except one thing you got wrong. halo 2 wasn't the most anticipated game, it was Half Life 2 No....Halo 2 outsold GTA: San Andreas 2:1, it made Microsoft $125 million in the first weekend of retail, it outsold even blockbuster titles like SpiderMan, which made $114.3 million in the first weekend, and it's succeeder, SpiderMan 2, which made $119 million in the first weekend. What I am trying to say with this is...Halo 2 was one of, if not the, most important video game releases in history. On Thursday November 9th, 2004-12:00AM, Halo 2 launched, and the Earth never was the same again.

Didn't Dragon Quest VIII outsell Halo2 in Japan? They sold something like 8 million copies I think I read. Hmm. Maybe I am just dillusional :?

andaris
01-16-2005, 08:12 PM
that was great, except one thing you got wrong. halo 2 wasn't the most anticipated game, it was Half Life 2 No....Halo 2 outsold GTA: San Andreas 2:1, it made Microsoft $125 million in the first weekend of retail, it outsold even blockbuster titles like SpiderMan, which made $114.3 million in the first weekend, and it's succeeder, SpiderMan 2, which made $119 million in the first weekend. What I am trying to say with this is...Halo 2 was one of, if not the, most important video game releases in history. On Thursday November 9th, 2004-12:00AM, Halo 2 launched, and the Earth never was the same again.

Didn't Dragon Quest VIII outsell Halo2 in Japan? They sold something like 8 million copies I think I read. Hmm. Maybe I am just dillusional :?
remember that the 1st person shooter genre is popular in the western society

Omega Blue
01-17-2005, 05:11 PM
San Andreas sold more then Halo 2 world wide, Rob your full or more shit that a cespool.

andaris, hes not asking whats more popular where, dont avoid the question dumbass.

jer10
01-17-2005, 08:20 PM
I think there are about five people in Japan that have an XBOX. Don't be suprised that Halo 2 didn't fly off the shelves in Tokyo.

As for the game itself, I was fairly satisfied with the result. Yes, the end was abrupt and left us waiting for Halo 3 but overall the game was balanced and played well. Most notably, the weapons were much more balanced, no more superpistol or useless needler. My biggest dissapointment was finishing the game playing as the Arbiter and not MasterChief. It looks like they may also be setting up a storyline that brings the Covenant and humans to some sort of peace in the next game. Not sure about that, but we will have to wait and see. As for when we will be re-re-visited by MasterChief and the gang, my suspicion is that Halo 3 will be a launch title for the XBOX2. Any comments?

Brandon
01-17-2005, 08:45 PM
my suspicion is that Halo 3 will be a launch title for the XBOX2. Any comments?
I'm getting that same feeling as well. It would makes sense for them to make it an "Xbox 2" launch title.

ThePspMaster
01-17-2005, 09:38 PM
i belive it because its supposed to come out for xbox next

andaris
01-18-2005, 09:52 PM
San Andreas sold more then Halo 2 world wide, Rob your full or more shit that a cespool.

andaris, hes not asking whats more popular where, dont avoid the question dumbass.whats with the hostility man! i was just justifying the fact that japanese players dont like fps as much as we do its unlikely taht it would sell in japan a dumbass could see that! how many copies has san andreas sold??

anyways san andreas might come out on XBOX
(it could run that and all the other gta tittles at the same time seeing how long quality they are) :roll: :roll: :roll:
yeah im biased so what!

The_One
01-19-2005, 07:56 PM
my suspicion is that Halo 3 will be a launch title for the XBOX2. Any comments?
I'm getting that same feeling as well. It would makes sense for them to make it an "Xbox 2" launch title. I don't know what to think, with the Halo 2.5 and all that :?.

slayerx
01-19-2005, 08:29 PM
halo 2 blows i only play online for a laugh so why bother making a 3rd ?

andaris
01-19-2005, 11:29 PM
do you really play online i mean come on its one of the best online games to date on the pc and the box your a hater

WOW! I"M HIGH
01-30-2005, 11:06 AM
my suspicion is that Halo 3 will be a launch title for the XBOX2. Any comments?
I'm getting that same feeling as well. It would makes sense for them to make it an "Xbox 2" launch title.

I read somewhere that Xbox Next would be released ahead of PS3, then when PS3 was released, Halo 3 released on the same day, to try to steal some of Sony's thunder.

PS: This is my first post, just found the site/board, has some good info and news on it, great work.