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If you're a member of the International Flat Earth Society, it's self-evident that NASA is nothing but a huge conspiracy of liars. The Space Shuttle pictures of a round earth -- complete frauds. After Gemini 11, Flat Earth Society members sent Pete Conrad letters of denunciation because during the flight he transmitted the statement "Eureka, Houston! The Earth is round!"
Necessarily, then, the Apollo moon landings never happened.
According to a poll conducted in 1999, 11% of Americans did not believe that the Apollo landings were genuine. In 2001, Fox television attracted 15 million viewers when it broadcasted "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Really Land on the Moon?" Fox claimed that after their show aired, roughly 20% of the public had doubts about the authenticity of the Apollo program.
This skepticism isn't completely nuts -- the moon landings were such incredible feats that they seem sort of farfetched at first.
Thankfully, private enterprise is working to resolve the matter. The TransOrbital corporation intends to launch its inaugural Moon excursion in October 2003. The mission objectives will include live video of flybys of the Apollo landing sites. Presumably, then, the world will finally get an opportunity to catch a glimpse of the bags of astronaut urine and feces deposited on the the lunar regolith.
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Did the US really lie in order to get in the record books or did it really happen?
PhixedDice
07-20-2003, 11:43 PM
Uh, I think it really happened..
yeah it did, and I KNOW Pete Conrad as well as Gene Cernan and Jim Lovell
Michael Bluth
07-20-2003, 11:57 PM
I saw the special on Fox, so I don't believe those lying American bastards.
Kenshin2
07-21-2003, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by Phantagram
I saw the special on Fox, so I don't believe those lying American bastards.
I saw that too, it made sense. I dont think they landed.
smellslikenintendospirit
07-21-2003, 12:45 AM
NO WAY the russians were first!!!!:mad:
Galcian
07-21-2003, 01:22 AM
Lets take a look at the facts:
- The Americans were in a cold war race with Russia
- The Americans were in a depression at that time, sort of
- This could help boost the American's ego and make them feel better
- There is a radiation belt that is surrounding the earth, that would require 8 feet of lead for humans to get through safely. The russians knew this and that is why they didn't pursue this.
Jesus
07-21-2003, 01:38 AM
This kid knows his pornography ^
Relient J
07-21-2003, 02:00 AM
I don't think anyone should find anything credible in anything the Fox network says... Still, if nothing else it destroyed the Soviet Union.
Batmanuel
07-21-2003, 02:32 AM
You are all just jealous commnunist pigs.(j.k of course) I don't know what to think, we might have landed on the moon, or we might not have landed on the moon.
Blaksmoke
07-21-2003, 02:54 AM
Anyone who thinks we didn't land on the moon is a complete dipshit who should be taken out into an alley and shot.
This is a stupid issue thats been argued and discussed a million times since before any of us here were born. Just let it go, wether or not we landed wont change the fact that we are all merely decaying pieces of organic structure that will eventually meet there dooms. It means Absoulutely nothing to our lives.
dncardman
07-21-2003, 03:06 AM
Word, we really laned!
Relient J
07-21-2003, 05:14 AM
Let's not forget we're talking about Fox here... I guess I'm just bummed that they cancelled Family Guy and have left Futurama at the same lousy time slot it's been in since 1999.
ch33f
07-21-2003, 05:23 AM
what isnt wrong with fox?
and the landing was real!
Relient J
07-21-2003, 05:33 AM
The fact that a great show like Futurama is on at 7 PM while a truly bizarre show like Banzai is on at 8:30 PM is evidence that Fox's program directors don't know what they're doing.
If it was fake how would you explain the experement that they conducted about gravity, as you know gravity pulls all objects at the same speed, they did this same thing on the moon except with a hammer and a feather and they both fell on the surface at the same time. Gee if this was a hoax how in the hell did we defy the laws of gravity?
Monsieur Tekilatex
07-21-2003, 05:46 AM
yes, I think that we landed.
Galcian
07-21-2003, 06:09 AM
If an apple and a cherry fall from 15 feet at the same time, they will land at the same time. If you take out the air, like in a vacuum seal , a sheet of paper and a 4000 pound car will hit the ground at the same time if they are dropped from the same height. Do you not see a relation here?
Jesus
07-21-2003, 06:20 AM
I see the relation.
Blaksmoke
07-21-2003, 06:31 AM
What?! If an apple and a cherry fell at the same time, the apple hits the ground first. The apple has more mass and is heavier, and the Earth's gravity makes it travel at a greater velocity towards the ground than the cherry. What the hell are you talking about?
ch33f
07-21-2003, 06:33 AM
no
everything falls at the rate that gravity is pulling it down, what slows objects down when they fall is areo dynamics
Bryan
07-21-2003, 06:37 AM
I like to think that we did.
Blaksmoke
07-21-2003, 06:39 AM
What?! Since when? They just discover this yesterday?!
Originally posted by Galcian
If an apple and a cherry fall from 15 feet at the same time, they will land at the same time. If you take out the air, like in a vacuum seal , a sheet of paper and a 4000 pound car will hit the ground at the same time if they are dropped from the same height. Do you not see a relation here?
I dont think we would go through that much money just to fake an event that really happened.
And Black smoke your in high school right?? Shouldnt you know about the laws of gravity already? It dosnt matter how much mass or inertia it has gravity pulls everything at the same speed.
PhixedDice
07-21-2003, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by Kliq
What's wrong with fox?
Those bastards canned Family Guy, 'nuff said..
but they also bring us The Simpson's and King of the Hill, so it evens out.
Travis
07-21-2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by Blaksmoke
What?! If an apple and a cherry fell at the same time, the apple hits the ground first. The apple has more mass and is heavier, and the Earth's gravity makes it travel at a greater velocity towards the ground than the cherry. What the hell are you talking about?
Mass and velocity are not mathematically related. Acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 m/s^2, so they will both travel 9.8 meters per second per second. They'll reach the ground at the same time. I know it goes against common sense, but it's physics.
But we did land on the moon, and I agree with you in saying that people who think we didn't are, basically, dumb jerks.
Blaksmoke
07-21-2003, 07:08 AM
......................................Hmm.
Maybe I should blow the walrus whistle and end my life........
ch33f
07-21-2003, 07:12 AM
ahaha you got owned
Relient J
07-21-2003, 07:34 AM
I really wish we had kept a stable moon program going after Apollo. It was worth the money invested to beat the Russians I guess, but wouldn't it have made more sense to keep going instead of writing it off as a sunk cost? Maybe it'll get started back up if China's serious about going to the moon.
My idea for a return trip to the moon would be cost effective using existing equipment: Send your moon astronauts off on a space shuttle with a lunar lander in the cargo bay. Refuel the shuttle in orbit in order to get it to the moon and back. That would seem to be more economical than one-use Saturn V rockets.
They are planning on putting clolonies on the moon they tested that prooved that Plants can grow on lunar soil. now if the moon just had an atmostphere for the plants to survive we could possibly have oxygen on the moon otherwise wed basically be just living in a huge bubble.
Haunted Mansion
07-21-2003, 08:35 AM
I think they staged it. It was so not real. Tell me this. When you see the videos of Armstrong walking on the moon the Earth is HUGE in the background. It should be the same size that you would see the moon as, like you were standing on Earth. (Get me?)
Nah big hoax, I don't think anyone has been in space yet. Well maybe but not on a different mass other than Earth.
And Blak they are right, I learnt that in Gr. 9 Science last year and its true. I didn't believe it at first but yes it is true.
Ummm what??!! The moon is 25% in mass compared to the Earth so I dont know what your learning or smoking. If the Moon was as Big as the Earth then the orbital rotation of the moon would interfere with the Earths resulting in both masses crashing into each other. I met astronauts that have walked on the moon and its all real.
ch33f
07-21-2003, 09:01 AM
^yeh what he said
Haunted Mansion
07-21-2003, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by Neo Link
Ummm what??!! The moon is 25% in mass compared to the Earth so I dont know what your learning or smoking. If the Moon was as Big as the Earth then the orbital rotation of the moon would interfere with the Earths resulting in both masses crashing into each other. I met astronauts that have walked on the moon and its all real.
I don't smoke like the bitches in this town. Anyway I guess your right, it just seemed logical for awhile heh.:o :p
Skull Kid
07-21-2003, 09:13 AM
Yeah. I think the shit with the moon is real too.
Galcian
07-21-2003, 09:23 AM
Here are some facts, and I will provide the link and pictures.
Some conspiracy theorists believe that the Moon landings never took place. The theorists say that the Apollo Moon missions were concocted by NASA and/or the American government for the following reasons.
President Kennedy famously declared in 1961, that the US would "land a man on the moon and return him safely to the Earth before the end of the decade", so by 1969 they may have felt that they were rapidly running out of time.
The US had lost ground to the Russians in the so called Space Race, as they had been beaten to having the first man in space (Yuri Gagarin).
A momentous event would raise the American public interest in NASA's space programme, which by 1969 was flagging.
Below we list some of the main points the theorists use to back up their claim, followed by a short summary of the Apollo believers explanation.
No stars in the Moon sky. (example) http://www.rapsac.com/hpck/moonpeople/images/alanshep2.jpg
The simple explanation here is that the camera had been set up to photograph a very bright, very close object ie an astronaut. The exposure time would have been set quite fast and the faint stars would not have had time to register on the film.
The American flag seems to ripple in the breeze.
There is no breeze - remember there is no air or atmosphere on the Moon, so the flag would only ripple if moved by an astronaut. And it would keep rippling for a few minutes as there would be no air resistance to slow the ripple effect down. Also the astronauts say they deliberately did not stretch the flag as they wanted to introduce a waving effect. (example) http://www.rapsac.com/hpck/moonpeople/images/buzz7.jpg
Only short distances to the Moon horizon. (example) http://www.rapsac.com/hpck/moonpeople/images/buzz2.jpg
Perspective on the Moon is different than on the Earth due to the smaller geographical size. Also, because the Moon has no atmosphere, objects can look crisp and clear even when they are quite far away. The Astronauts themselves will quite willingly admit that they had difficulty judging distances to far away objects simply because they did not know the size of those objects.
Spliced photos.
Some photographs seem to have been spliced and then put back together badly and have strange lines dissecting the images with different pixel colours either side. However, just because an image has been manipulated does not mean that it is fake. The media constantly tamper with pictures that appear every day in magazines and newspapers. This is just to make them fit or remove irrelevant objects or just to make them more pleasing to the eye.
Unreleased photos.
Only a handful of the 16,000 images taken by the astronauts have ever been released. Surely NASA must be hiding something! Or are they just showing us the best ones? When you are showing off your fantastic holiday snaps to your friends - do you show them all eight films? Including the badly exposed one and the one of your bald patch? Or do you just pick the best ones that show you and your holiday off the best? The astronauts had their cameras strapped to their chests and had to take to pictures 'blind' as they didn't have a view finder. So, despite all the pre-mission practice taking photographs was a bit 'hit and miss' and many pictures came back less than perfect.
Multiple shadows.
Wierd shadows cast in different directions suggest a close and very bright light source. But the only light source is the Sun, and that's not exactly close. But the Sun can produce these non-parallel shadows, when it is low in the sky and the shadowed objects are at different distances. Also, looking at a 3-d image on a 2-d photo will produce distortions of that image. Strictly speaking, the Sun isn't the only light source of course, the lunar surface is very reflective and will bounce the sunlight back producing faint shadows of it's own.
Moon rock samples.
Alleged Moon rock samples could be any old bits of normal Earth rock. Between them, the 12 Moonwalkers returned with 382 kg of Moon rock and regolith. These samples have been studied by NASA scientists and independant international scientists. All agree the material "was clearly formed in an atmosphere lacking oxygen and water and show inherent chemical differences to all previously studied earth rock".
Computer power.
The Computer power on board the Apollo craft was apparently equal to that of a modern day pocket calculator. Hardly surprising, but we are all aware of how quickly technology advances these days. Interestingly, the technology that was sent up to the Moon was not the newest and most advanced equipment available at the time. NASA only wanted to use equipment that had been tried and tested because they had to be sure they could rely on it.
Summary
Conspiracy theorists base their understanding of physics on Earth conditions. Moon conditions are different and absolutely alien. The Moon has no atmosphere and less gravity and these mean that things will look wierd, objects will move differently and events will have unusual consequences. If the NASA scientists hadn't sent anyone to the Moon then how would they have known for certain what the conditions were like and so, how could they have reproduced them in a hoax.
http://www.rapsac.com/hpck/moonpeople/html/themoon/conspiracy.html Is a link to that site.
I have mixed views on this, so I really don't have an opinion in the matter but I like to point out the facts so others can make their own choice.
all of this "evidence" is bull crap. You see take a look at the moon surface. Its bright isnt it? Which means that the sun is shining on the moon, and its damn impossible to see stars in day sky. And as for that "breeze" feature in the flag, its just a picture who said it was windy, plus things tend to move on the moon when sitting dead still, cause the gravity dosnt hold you very strong so things tend to move away. For casting different shadows did it ever hit your head that they were up there for a while? The moon has a rotation and an orbit too you know. And for moon rocks and earth rocks, you can totally tell the difference, Does the moon rocks have pocket holes in them? no only water causes that and need I remind you that there is NO water on the moon. Only those kind of rocks are found on earth and are very common. okay im gonna sto now my fingers hurt.
Oh and sry for the double post but, those pictures contain all of Buzz which was only on ONE mission and my dad personally knows Buzz and he obviously wouldnt lie. And even if it IS a conspiracy all of that proof is from only ONE mission, we did a hell of a lot more than that.
Relient J
07-21-2003, 11:17 AM
So he backed up your opinion and you're angry with him for it? Anyway we all know that the Masons are behind it all...
IM not angry with him in just talkin about this evidence.
Relient J
07-21-2003, 11:28 AM
It looked like you were a bit peeved. You used a lot of emphasis, and it's clear you're pretty passionate about the subject.
well I have to know all this crap my dad does hang out with astronauts you know.
ch33f
07-21-2003, 11:35 AM
how does you dad know all these astronauts!?
He dosnt know every astronaut but anyway hes a painter and paints anything anything to do with space and eventually is work got very popular, and one day my dad was doing a show at a mall [not certain which one it was] Alan Bean showed up, "hes an astronaut if you do not know" and hes a fan of art so my dad and him became good friends. Alan Bean is pretty close with astronauts so he invites them to shows at my parents art gallery and became a tradition, so I basically meet astronauts every year. If you interested in my dads art go to www.novaspace.com
Relient J
07-21-2003, 02:24 PM
Cool stuff. My dad's an artist too!
ch33f
07-21-2003, 03:15 PM
you dad is very talented i must say, but his site could use a bt of a touch up
yeah well hes old. hes got no style i dont think well be seeing the site any different for a loooong time.
You said the astronauts wouldn't ever lie ... actually they would if the circumstances were right.
I said that Buzz would never lie
You never know man ... if it was actually a fake than they probably had to make some kind of heavy promise with the US government.
oh well fake or not that was only one mission.
Galcian
07-21-2003, 05:28 PM
There is no air or atmosphere on the moon, so it isn't windy Neo Link.
However, the momentum from screwing in the flag pole would theoretically cause the flag to wave because it is being moved. If you took time and went to that link and looked for the argument against the hoax believers, you would have known that.
thx gg.
IM not fucking retarded, I know theres no wind on the moon that picture simply dosnt proove anything. What if its just still like that? Its simply a picture nothing less if you were to see it in motion then lets see it.
Travis
07-21-2003, 06:52 PM
We landed on the moon. That's all there is to it. I don't feel like typing out a response to every "fact" posted by Galcian...
And Relient J, about your trip to the moon, cost efficient, whatever theory...I'm sure if that was a good idea it would have already been done..the people at NASA are some of the smartest people in the entire world, and they have probably already thought of that.
The people who think that the moon landing is a fake have no lives. So they rely thier percious time on a thing that is total bull shit, seriously if you dont think that we really landed on the moon you can go ahead sit on your thumb and rotate on it.
Galcian
07-21-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Suzuki Fanboy
We landed on the moon. That's all there is to it. I don't feel like typing out a response to every "fact" posted by Galcian...
And Relient J, about your trip to the moon, cost efficient, whatever theory...I'm sure if that was a good idea it would have already been done..the people at NASA are some of the smartest people in the entire world, and they have probably already thought of that.
Yea, I am kinda for it, even with the radiation belt, you are traveling so fast that you pass through it pretty quick, and the metal hull protects somewhat.
For every "fact" a hoax believer finds I can counter it ;)
But yea, if you go through the links on that site, its pretty interesting.
Galcian
07-21-2003, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by Neo Link
The people who think that the moon landing is a fake have no lives. So they rely thier percious time on a thing that is total bull shit, seriously if you dont think that we really landed on the moon you can go ahead sit on your thumb and rotate on it.
Sorry for double posting, not really but anyway.
People who have a different opinion than you have no lives? Wow, and you think an astronout wouldn't lie if the price was right? You don't even deserve to be called naive.
Oh, and I do think we landed on the moon.
Relient J
07-21-2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Suzuki Fanboy
And Relient J, about your trip to the moon, cost efficient, whatever theory...I'm sure if that was a good idea it would have already been done..the people at NASA are some of the smartest people in the entire world, and they have probably already thought of that.
Suzuk, my comment wasn't a poke at NASA, nor was it an attempt to make myself in any way out to be more intelligent than the good people who schedule missions at NASA. Rather, it was merely a fanciful thought about possibilities.
I think the problem with my idea coming to fruition is not that it isn't comparatively cost effective, it's that any mission to the moon would require more money than NASA has in its budget. Not only that but any mission to the moon these days is going to be difficult to explain to a Congressional funding committee. We were not ignoring the moon just because the costs are too high. The government simply can't justify the cost.
Galcian stop trying to be a fucking statistic im saying that people that if people beleive in a false theory such as THIS have no life they only make this shit up just for somthing to do and dont EVEN bring religon into this, and as for not even being naive why dont we mind our own damn business, I know most of these people you dont.
Originally posted by Galcian
Oh, and I do think we landed on the moon.
Well good for you mabey you want to catch up on all the hours you missed just gathering all of that information.
Galcian
07-21-2003, 07:13 PM
I am sorry, are you retarded? Did you go to this website? No, did you read the COUNTER ARGUMENTS? No, you are 12, there is no point in me arguing with you, because you suck. Don't let this nice thread get closed because your temper flares because you are hitting puberty, and hormones will do that to you.
All along I have believed that we landed on the moon. I have BEEN TELLING YOUR DUMBASS since the beginning that I am just providing facts so others can make up their OWN MIND! is that too hard to comprehend? Yes it is. Now stfu.
Relient J
07-21-2003, 07:16 PM
I think it's funny that you guys are arguing since you're clearly on the same side...
Galcian
07-21-2003, 07:17 PM
I know, but he is blinded by something, ah well, I will post when someone else makes an intelligent post.
First of all im older that you you wench stupid cum bucket
Second of all im surprised you know what phormones are...oh wait i guess you cant cause you can even spell the damn word. and third of all i know you think we landed I was just prooving the facts wrong not YOU so you basically created this. End of this argument back on topic.
darkmagic
07-21-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by PhixedDice
Uh, I think it really happened..
ch33f
07-21-2003, 11:38 PM
are you boys finish playing?
Peter
07-23-2003, 10:31 PM
I like to think that man landed on the moon....but its strange. space is so...mindblowingly huge..and complicated. space is nothing..its endless. Can you actually imagine infinity? Its crazy. And how exactly will the apple land first? try it from your bedroom window, the apple and heery will fall exactly the same time. when i was 6 i tried with an orange and a ball off the shed roof. my mum got pissed off...
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