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Gegenki
04-27-2005, 06:22 PM
EU warns Microsoft of extra fines
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Microsoft is under growing pressure to speed up compliance with EU laws
The European Union (EU) has warned Microsoft it could incur additional fines unless it makes more effort to stop abusing its dominant position.

The comments were made by an EU spokesman after a meeting between EU competition commissioner Neelie Kroes and Microsoft boss Steve Ballmer.

In March 2004, the EU found Microsoft guilty of preventing competition, and ordered it to open up its systems.

A year later, the EU says the software giant has not done enough.

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In addition to a 497m euro ($640m; £343m) fine in March 2004, the EU ordered Microsoft to open up its core software systems to rivals.


...We are not in a position to say that we are satisfied that Microsoft has complied fully with that decision
EU spokesman Jonathan Todd

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This was to better enable other software manufacturers to make programmes that worked more seamlessly with Microsoft's Windows operating system.

Microsoft was also ordered to provide a version of Windows without its own Windows Media Player.

Following Ms Kroes' meeting with Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer, EU spokesman Jonathan Todd said Europe remained unhappy on both counts.

Although Microsoft brought out a version of Windows without Media Player last month, Mr Todd said Ms Kroes was not convinced it was technically up to standard.

'Urgently'

"Over a year has elapsed and as of today we are not in a position to say that we are satisfied that Microsoft has complied fully with that decision," he said.

"Mrs Kroes said that the Commission expects the decision adopted in March 2004 to be complied with urgently and in full, and she added that unless this was the case that the Commission would be obliged to take formal steps to ensure compliance."

Under EU rules Europe could fine Microsoft up to 5% of its daily global turnover for each day that a decision is not applied to its liking.

A spokesman for Microsoft said the meeting with Ms Kroes was at Microsoft's request and "part of the ongoing dialogue" the company has with the EU.




Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4489805.stm


5% of thier daily turn over aint exactly alot is it? They should have to pay more! Especially with how long they have been locking out competition - but i dont see what windows media player has to do with anything - then again that said, I'm using windows media player right now. No chance for other players.

gnznroses
04-27-2005, 07:28 PM
i think the fines and such against MS is BS. they should not be made to not include media player or internet explorer or whatever in Windows. it's a convenience factor. they shouldn't have to make an OS that won't play media files or surf the net out of the box. that's retarded. it's not like you can't go download winamp or something else.

Z
04-27-2005, 07:56 PM
i dont see what windows media player has to do with anything


part of the monopoly accusations of MS is that it bundles its OS with a lot of programs like Media Player, Explorer, Office, etc. by doing that, competitors with similar programs do not have a fair challenge to market their own programs. Such programs are Real Networks’ RealPlayer and Apple’s QuickTime.
The notion is why would people look for other programs when they already have one. So Real Networks is marketing RealPlayer by having options and features not offered in Media Player.

Personally, I do not want to buy a ‘cut out’ product. If I buy a Windows OS, I expect it to be bundled with everything I need. I do not wish to keep looking and downloading the missing features.
Maybe they can exchange some programs with others, like Media Player with RealOne or EE with FF. of course MS will rather die before doing that.

nesman
04-27-2005, 09:10 PM
I don't really care about Media Player seeing that it is inferior to WinAmp, in my opinion. But if Windows didn't come with Office bundled, then I'd be one very unhappy customer. We pay $1,000+ for premade PCs and I expect every software to be in the package. Office costs like $100-200 in my nearby stores. Why should I pay extra for programs that should come bundled with the OS? Hopefully we won't have this same issue in the US. Sucks for Europe though.

Gegenki
04-27-2005, 10:15 PM
i only realised the other day that i could uninstall internet explorer! :shock:
But i feel IE is quickly accessible which is why I use it even though I have firefox (and my friend made me download opera).
Also I find Windows media player easy to use and read but I didnt even know Real Player had features that Windows Media Player didn't. As far as I'm concerned, Win Med is easy to use (for me) - and the only reason I started using it in the first place is because it was on windows when I installed it. Only other one I have tried is WInamp which I didnt like and I only have quicktime and real for when I open stuff online, e.g. BBC sites require Real - so in a way I can see what they are talking about, but I can also see the side you guys take. I would be very unhappy if my first Linux distro - which I had no idea how to use, did not come with some basic needs like music, videos and the web.