Playstation 3 - E3 Thread

[RichardCypher101]

Everything on PS3 at E3 related.

-Rich

[Ironlungz]

I'm starting to hear the same rumblings...IF true it definitely fits in with all the patent activity from Sony and Nvidia.

[GodMachine_Iridius_Dio]

B3D info was just a spoof... go to page seven and check Democoder's posts. One of them has some micro-print. He made the info up to see how many "Insiders" he could call out to back up the data (which you find out in the micro-print). Think of it like bait for those little buggers.

Later

Iridius Dio

[CrumCon]

Wait, if they are going to show us the real protype instead of a mock-up and of course some games, does it mean GPU from Nvidia has been finished? or at least almost finished?

[GodMachine_Iridius_Dio]

Doesn't have to, it only means that they have to have something that runs within acceptable parameters of final hardware spec. Basically they have to have something "close enough". The GPU could continue to refine for the rest of the year, but something tells me that if it's even remotely possible for PS3 to release this year, we may be closer to actual part production than previously thought.

Interresting indeed.

Later

Iridius Dio

[bRoNx]

I was intrigued by this post...

What can you expect at the E3?
Alot of PSP suprises and games!
Enough of the Next Generation Playstation. Enough!
A big announcement from SONY for SONY (PS3)
An old friend returns....
And an enemy becomes a friend (could be a person or a game or a studio, etc Wink )

What do you guys think this is about? I don't know what to expect from E3, but if this guy is telling the truth (he's been given credit for some accurate info in the past...), then it's gonna be bigger than the hype...which is already getting me pretty amped!

Plus the new look of this site...man, Change is good! 8)

[Bocuma]

"What do you guys think this is about?"

I think it might be sonys' online plans... it would be a nice way to introduce the ps3

[CrumCon]

I would smile like baby if Sony announce one of these features:

PS3 streaming media to PSP through WI-FI. so basically when playing game the output Audiovideo, would be streaming to psp wirelessly!!

wow.. wow..!!

[klaymen]

I would smile like baby if Sony announce one of these features:

PS3 streaming media to PSP through WI-FI. so basically when playing game the output Audiovideo, would be streaming to psp wirelessly!!

wow.. wow..!!

that is only one feature

[Coded-Dude]

All things E3 being realated........

Do you think we will finally get a few answers as to when the next BIG fw update is and what it will feature? I would also expect a lit of SONY accessories(usb devices) that will be arriving in stores thsi year, HOPEFULLY!

I expected a lot from PS3, they delayed the investor viewing and therefore have no more chances to let anybody down.
This is SONY we are talking about!

[spyshagg]

theres a rumor about the "return of an enemy" or "return of an old friend" about Sony for Ps3.

sony was friends with nintendo at the time for N64, and become enemy when they broke up and sony made Psx. or is it Sega?

uhmm.... maybe nothing. i guess its Just a rumor to pass time...

[FerrianX]

theres a rumor about the "return of an enemy" or "return of an old friend" about Sony for Ps3.

sony was friends with nintendo at the time for N64, and become enemy when they broke up and sony made Psx. or is it Sega?

uhmm.... maybe nothing. i guess its Just a rumor to pass time...

I believe it was Sony designing a console for Nintendo that used Disc's, and then Nintendo decided against it, so Sony released it as their own console.

[spyshagg]

yes i know, i didn't ment to say if it was Sega or nintendo... i know the story :)
i said "SEGA" about the rumor... the return of an Enemy! or nintendo The return of a Friend.

[Coded-Dude]

I4U (http://www.i4u.com/article3411.html)
"WELCOME CHANG3"
:shock: :D :D :D :D

It looks like SONY is starting the hype war...

[The_One]

I was intrigued by this post...

What can you expect at the E3?
Alot of PSP suprises and games!
Enough of the Next Generation Playstation. Enough!
A big announcement from SONY for SONY (PS3)
An old friend returns....
And an enemy becomes a friend (could be a person or a game or a studio, etc Wink )

What do you guys think this is about? I don't know what to expect from E3, but if this guy is telling the truth (he's been given credit for some accurate info in the past...), then it's gonna be bigger than the hype...which is already getting me pretty amped!

Plus the new look of this site...man, Change is good! 8) If what he's saying is credible, and if he's saying what I think he's saying, then SEGA might have a hand in making the PS3 or they may be developing some games for the PS3.

[karsfri]

I was intrigued by this post...

What can you expect at the E3?
Alot of PSP suprises and games!
Enough of the Next Generation Playstation. Enough!
A big announcement from SONY for SONY (PS3)
An old friend returns....
And an enemy becomes a friend (could be a person or a game or a studio, etc Wink )

What do you guys think this is about? I don't know what to expect from E3, but if this guy is telling the truth (he's been given credit for some accurate info in the past...), then it's gonna be bigger than the hype...which is already getting me pretty amped!

Plus the new look of this site...man, Change is good! 8) If what he's saying is credible, and if he's saying what I think he's saying, then SEGA might have a hand in making the PS3 or they may be developing some games for the PS3.

but hasn't SEGA alredy been developing some games for the PS2??

[CrumCon]

maybe Capcom is going to make Resident Evil 5 PS3 exclusive?

[indiekid4]

http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3/ps3-teasers.html

Here is a Playstation poster teaser from LA!

[CrumCon]

KID thats old news!!! days old! :wink:

[indiekid4]

KID thats old news!!! days old! :wink:

Uhh Kid???? 26 years old here chump! ;) Or you could be calling me by my screenname...either one..not a kid..lol

[the legendary ice man]

theres a rumor about the "return of an enemy" or "return of an old friend" about Sony for Ps3.

sony was friends with nintendo at the time for N64, and become enemy when they broke up and sony made Psx. or is it Sega?

uhmm.... maybe nothing. i guess its Just a rumor to pass time...

I believe it was Sony designing a console for Nintendo that used Disc's, and then Nintendo decided against it, so Sony released it as their own console.

It was to be a CD addon for the SNES. Sony showed them a prototype of it and nintendo decided against it.

So, in the mortal words of J Allard, they goosed it and called Playstation.

PS3 better own as badly as the other two or Sony might have to consider a new strategy.

[frosty]

"And an enemy becomes a friend (could be a person or a game or a studio, etc Wink ) "

Bungie maybe? I'd lmao! i seriously doubt it (snowman's chance in hell), but it still would be funny. HALO 3 PS3 EXCLUSIVE! LOL LOL!

[Ironlungz]

Ok it seems as the Sony conference was held back a couple of minutes. Somewhere between 10 - 30 minutes. Also, word is that Xbox conference has been pushed back to 7:30pm to accomadate those from the Sony press to Xbox press. (I'm not sure how this works in with the Sony shuttle service).

[CrumCon]

WHY SONY CALLED XBOX 360, XBOX 1.5 LOL

Justlook guys!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/CrumCon/cell.jpg

YESSSSSSSSSSS

[Coded-Dude]

MS probably delayed so that SONY could get the press to the XBOX event in time.
No need to rush, especially since sony is hadnling the fare!

this all makes sense

[THE PS2 INFORMANT]

http://www.kotaku.com/

According to this guy the machine is backwards compatible and other such things. Though he dosn't provide pictures at this time of the conference he says he attended.

[CrumCon]

http://img8.echo.cx/img8/6766/ps38xy.jpg

First PS3 PIC?? sleek?? opinions please

official from SCE: http://www.scee.presscentre.com/MediaPath/%C3%A9%E2%80%BA%E2%80%A0%C3%A5%C2%90%CB%863%C3%A3% C2%81%C2%A4%C3%A4%C2%B8%C2%A6%C3%A3%C2%81%C2%B3_00 03.jpg

[stuffedsquirrel222]

http://img8.echo.cx/img8/6766/ps38xy.jpg

First PS3 PIC?? sleek?? opinions please

official from SCE: http://www.scee.presscentre.com/MediaPath/%C3%A9%E2%80%BA%E2%80%A0%C3%A5%C2%90%CB%863%C3%A3% C2%81%C2%A4%C3%A4%C2%B8%C2%A6%C3%A3%C2%81%C2%B3_00 03.jpg

Hmm... not my favorite. I think it's really hott though. Nott sexy, just hott.

I also like the idea of different colors. And judging by the disc drive size, it isn't all that big. It looks like it's going to grow on me, and I'll like it more over time, but right now, it's just something I wasn't expecting.

It looks really next gen though. High-Five to that, SONY!

I'M GONNA GET THE SILVER!

[neptunez]

http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570926_2.jpg
http://www.picturehost.co.uk/free.one/a4ln.jpg
http://www.picturehost.co.uk/free.one/1116287194_ps31.jpg

[TEEDA]

http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570925_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570927_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570928_2.jpg
http://www.jaygoland.com/anothercastle/ps3.jpg

remember it' s just the first prototype .

[m!dn!ghtblu3]

I knew that when I saw the PS3 for the first time I was gonna probably squeal like a little bitch and that did indeed happen lol. I got so excited that a little bit of wee came out (if you live in Australia or NZ and watch Rove Live you know where I got that from)

I think it looks so damn sleek and sexy that I would prefer to just buy all of them it's so hard to choose.

[The_One]

That thing is absolutely fugly... I'm sorry, I just hate that thing... Looks like I'm gonna be turned off every time I turn "on" the PS3... Ugh...
*shakes head in disgust*

[Riaden The Pioneer]

It looks alright, but I was kinda hopping for something a little stronger looking. :wink:

[TidusX]

Maybe its the year of ugly consoles? The desighn is not bad, I was hoping something to the quality desighn of the PSP though.

[Homeru]

Its good but i hope the final design is down right sexy, like the psp.

[diOndOrAntt]

Guys were did those pictures came from???. Was the console there????

[neptunez]

http://www.picturehost.co.uk/free.one/uglyasscontrollerps36tj.jpg

[TEEDA]

confirmed exclusive titles :
Gran Turismo 5
+ GTA
+ MGS 4
+ DMC 4

EXCLU

[Brandon]

I don't know about the controller. Now I hope that design changes.

[masonps2]

Um, yeah, the controller is most definitely ugly. Hopefully that's not it.

[THE PS2 INFORMANT]

Really really nice, I love the curves and am thrilled that they decided to not deviate too far from the PS2 design perameters. (two "boxes" stacked on each other, bold front profile, etc.)

I can't say I care too much for the horizontal image with the disk tray facing forward, looks kind of retro the way it is sunk in I think. Though still I would give the design a 9 out of ten with this being the only gripe real gripe. I wouldn't mind to see the old "blue" PS2 font color back on the front of the thing either.

As for the controller I am glad to see a change of some kind but I must say I do think it looks a little too round. As if your hands would slip on it if you gripped it too tightly. Atleast it looks as though it is wireless.

[Shahan14]

does anyone kno of the specs?

[Brandon]

does anyone kno of the specs?
http://psinext.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6781

[edofall]

dont forget that at the bottom of the picture its says subject to change without notice :-)

[TEEDA]

The PlayStation 3 controller has just been revealed. This picture is a poor angle. The controller is smaller than it looks, and is quite contoured- It looks very comfortable. The initial picture doesn't look very appealing, but look closer.

from a guy at the conference .

[edofall]

link please

[Brandon]

link please
He just said he's at the conference.

[edofall]

:-) oops, didnt see that, im moving from here to ign and back again

[TidusX]

Things are going to be going back and forth to see who's console is uglier. Come on Sony, the desighn of the console is ok; But, the controller is totally weird. Stick with the basics.

[senas8]

I knew that when I saw the PS3 for the first time I was gonna probably squeal like a little bitch and that did indeed happen lol. I got so excited that a little bit of wee came out (if you live in Australia or NZ and watch Rove Live you know where I got that from)

I think it looks so damn sleek and sexy that I would prefer to just buy all of them it's so hard to choose.

LOL ...ohhh man that made my day even better....funny stuff dude! :)

[Z]

ok, I nearly got every thing nailed. just need MGS4 and Finding Nemo pics/demos. anyone?

[Mordecaii]

Ok, all I want to know now is...

More specific specs on the PS3 GPU
WILL THE PS3 COME WITH A HDD??? (Yes I know it says it has a HDD slot, but that doesn't mean it comes with the drive.)

[n1n9tean]

I'm REALLY excited about that INSOMNIAC FPS called "I-8". 8)

[Red_Eyes]

I'm REALLY excited about that INSOMNIAC FPS called "I-8". 8)

What about killzone 2?

[*G*spot]

That thing is ugly, and ain't gonna win any fashion shows, I'll tell ya that.

In an obscure way, the PS3 reminds me of a bread box. :shock: And that controller.... :roll:

In other words, I don't care for the design. Actually, the Xbox2 looks better, imo. :twisted:

But luckily for all of us including Sony, it's not the outside that counts, only what's inside. :wink:

[Fats]

I'm very impressed with the actual design of the PS3, even though it could change. I want one now! :)

I'm really not sure about that controller though, seems a bit odd.

[Chris Metal]

ahhh ya all just used to having the DS design for the past 8-10 years or so. Live a little change :wink: :P Anyway I quite happen to like it, I think once you've actually held it, you'd be quite surprised.

[MegaGrid]

What was unveilled in the E3 that was not exposed till then was the GPU of the PS3. 1.8 TFlops with Bandwidth of 15-20Gb/s in memory write/read make s
this GPU breathtaking... I was waiting to hear about the GPU TFs because I was expecting a hidden ace there and seeing the figures left me simply amazed.

[markvaid]

so is there going to be more information given out later at E3? if so, does anyone know when? BTW, that controller needs to be changed :? GOD PLEASE!!

[The_One]

What was unveilled in the E3 that was not exposed till then was the GPU of the PS3. 1.8 TFlops with Bandwidth of 15-20Gb/s in memory write/read make s
this GPU breathtaking... I was waiting to hear about the GPU TFs because I was expecting a hidden ace there and seeing the figures left me simply amazed. I was impressed by the GPU also! Especially the tech demo that came with it! That was utterly amazing and breathtaking at the same time, I bet many people gasped when it was first put on screen :shock:!

BTW: What's the memory write/read bandwidth for the Xbox 360 GPU? Anyone know?

[Mordecaii]

Since the GPU and CPU for the 360 both have to use the same bus to access their memory, then they will both be sharing a 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth, so when you consider the fact that you'll have both chips accessing the memory at the same time, then the bandwidth slows down (for theoretical purposes I'm gonna say cut that figure in half and that'll be your typical bus speed for the GPU, for both reading and writing). Since reading almost always has a higher bus speed than writing, then I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that over half of that theoretical 11.2 GB/s bandwidth will be for reading... but again, like I said it is limited by the fact that both chips will be using the same bus to access the memory and therefore bus speeds won't always be the same for the GPU.

[imported_Tacitblue]

A 1080p equivelent frame (1600x1200)@ 4xAA takes up about 67.5MB

If you were writing frames to memory that's a tad over 2GB/sec. Reading them would be another 2GB/sec assuming the frames are being produced at 30fps. This is based on older tech from a GeForce3 card with only DDR graphics memory. I think the newer cards have much of the AA done at the shader level.

With the launch of the GeForce 6800 Ultra, or rather the NV4x architecture, that’s all about to change. In short the NV4x architecture is not a simple redesign of an older chipset, this new architecture is designed around a whole new set of requirements put forth by the new DirectX specification outlined in DirectX 9.0b and c as well as the new Shader Model 3.0 it is supporting. Especially that new shader specification is a feature worth noting as that’ll put a whole new meaning to previously used techniques such as anti-aliasing. The per pixel processing and mapping will allow the shaders to handle that instead, with minimum performance penalty if compared to traditional anti-aliasing processing. Furthermore these programmable shaders can be tailored to fit the performance level and complexity the application desires, thus giving the programmer infinite possibilities for pixel and vertex programs.

taken from: http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/popular_articles/article/1708/

So even if you had to do it the old way, a bit more than 4GB/sec write and read taken out of 22GB/sec total still leaves PS3 with much more graphics memory bandwidth than XBox 360 does. As with anything, this is probably flawed as hell, but it shows that RSX isn't quite as bad off as some think.

[FLCL]

Phil Harrison interview from http://www.playstation-e3.com

SCEE's executive vice president of development takes time out of his hectic E3 meeting schedule to chat to PlayStation.com about the show-stealing new console.

How privileged did you feel to introduce those amazing PLAYSTATION 3 tech demos to the world?

Well, totally. I had the easiest job, because I just had to stand there and present other people's brilliant work, but I was particularly proud of Richard Lee and his team in London, who created some of the demonstrations. They were responsible for the explosion demonstration, and also the Doc Ock facial animation, which I think was a very, very pivotal demonstration of the performance of the machine.

Do you think that particular demo best represented the convergence of movies with gaming?

Yeah, I think it represents a tipping point because as simple as the way I presented it was, we had a half-terabyte hard drive sent to us by Sony Pictures Imageworks, and they were sceptical that we'd be able to get it to work. We extracted the images and were able to run it in real-time on something that has less than one per cent of the memory that they use for a single shot in the film. That gives you an idea of the performance of the machine.

Dr Richard Marks' EyeToy demo showed great promise for the future of the camera. Was that achieved using a standard PS2 EyeToy? How do you foresee it being integrated into future PS3 titles?

That was just a normal EyeToy camera plugged into a USB port on PS3. Obviously, backwards compatibility means that the camera works anyway, but the Cell chip allows us to do so much more in terms of image recognition, subtle movement, and extraction of very complex data from within a two-dimensional video stream. So we can do an awful lot more with PS3 than we could ever do on PS2.

So it's more to do with the need for raw processing power rather than improving the camera technology?

It's both. You need both in order to move to the next generation.

Seven controllers for the machine is an impressive, if rather odd, number. Why not eight?

There are eight Bluetooth channels, but one of them is used as a master channel to maintain the synchronisation between the seven. The reason that Bluetooth is used is that it allows an absolutely perfect real time response. Other wireless technologies don't guarantee the bandwidth and connection speed.

Does Bluetooth also benefit power consumption?

It has the second benefit of low power consumption, absolutely.

Do you have any figures yet for how long a controller will last on a single charge?

At least a day. Yeah, at least a day.

There has been some criticism regarding the design of the new controller. Have you had a chance to use it yet? Is it really that different from a DualShock?

That controller design is a prototype. It's not the final controller.

Which of the PS3 titles demoed at the conference impressed you the most?

Well, I'll start with my own - Killzone, MotorStorm, and Heavenly Sword, all for very different reasons. To have two new IPs [Intellectual Properties] shown at the launch is a fantastic achievement - MotorStorm and Heavenly Sword have both been marked as flagship titles, which is good.

Ninja Theory's development of Heavenly Sword has been public knowledge for some time. How long have you been working with them on a PLAYSTATION 3 version?

We've been working with them for nearly a year now.

Was the decision to use Blu-ray discs necessary in order to contain the sheer amount of information that PS3 titles will require?

Absolutely. There are two reasons: one, because it's the next generation format for high-definition movies, and two, crucially, because at least 50 gigabytes of data is going to be necessary to power the games.

Are you confident that PS2 will continue to sell as successfully when PS3 is released, just as PS one did following the launch of PS2?

Yes, as you know we've just got up to 30 million PS2s, so I think that we're about halfway through the lifecycle.

Is there any worry that the increase in the production values needed for a PS3 title may impact on PS2 game development?

No, not at all. We are investing heavily in both, but we're investing in different ways. With PS2, we're doing things like Buzz, SingStar, and obviously popular franchises that are already well established. PS3 is a bit more of an innovative, R&D [Research and Development] driven process at the moment, therefore we've got more speculative development going on with PS3 than we do with PS2.

Are you at all worried that HDTV has yet to catch on as heavily in Europe as it has in the US so far? Will gamers who continue to use the standard RGB output really be missing out on that much more?

I think that the high-definition era is going to accelerate for a number of reasons: one, the analogue switch-off from terrestrial TV; two, major broadcasters are now moving to HD, for example Sky in the UK. It's interesting if you talk to people in the US [about HDTV]. If you're a sports fan and you see your favourite sport, be it basketball or American football, in HD, you never go back. It's amazing. People say: "There's no way I can ever watch sport again on anything other than HD." It's like being there.

You also talked about PS3's capacity to split the visual output signal between two HDTVs, but what was probably more intriguing was the use of a second screen as a secondary display. Could the second picture just be run through a standard television or monitor?

Yep. Absolutely. It could be a computer monitor, it could be a TV - whatever you like. It outputs a bunch of different video formats too long to list now.

Do you think there's still room for abstraction and artistry in gaming on PS3, as demonstrated by new PS2 titles like Okami and Killer7?

I think that PLAYSTATION 3 just makes that easier, because if production tools are more powerful, you can express your creativity in wider ways, and it doesn't all mean reality. Even if you look at something like MotorStorm or Killzone, they've got very stylised looks. Reality does not have to mean the same as the real world. It could be anybody's vision of the real world.

PS3 is also set to revolutionise online play. Do you think this will signal the dawn of online titles that genuinely appeal to all types of gamer?

Well I think it means lots of different things to different people. For some users, the ability to browse content using your PSP from across world will be the most important feature. For my mum, the ability to look at pictures of the grandkids from her PSP would be more compelling for her than playing multiplayer racing games online. It just allows different people to have a touch point to the machine.

Do you think there's every chance that people will be throwing away their telephones?

No, I don't think so. We've got a long way to go before that.

What other titles on show have impressed you?

I had a brief play of Daxter on PSP, which was fun, and Pursuit Force is getting a good buzz. I haven't seen anything else - I've been in meetings.

The likes of SingStar, EyeToy: Kinetic, and Buzz, have shown that SCEE is committed to introducing a wider audience to gaming. How do you perceive PS3 building on this?

I think if you look at the PS2 era, those innovations came a number of years into the platform's life. I think you'll be seeing those kinds of innovations from day one [on PS3].