PS3/Xbox 360/Rev

[FerrianX]

PS3 vs Xbox 360 ... You Be the Judge!

Xbox 360 Specs

A 20GB hard drive, high-def game support and a 500MHz ATI graphics processor: Glimpse the Xbox 360's system performance specifications as provided by Microsoft.

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
• Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
• Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
• VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
• 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
• 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance
• 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
• 500MHz processor
• 10 MB of embedded DRAM
• 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
• Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance
• 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate
• 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance
• 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory
• 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM
• 700 MHz of DDR
• Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth • 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
• 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
• 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance
• 1 teraflop

Storage
• Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
• 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
• Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O
• Support for up to four wireless game controllers
• Three USB 2.0 ports
• Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online
• Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
• Built-in Ethernet port
• Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b and 802.11g
• Video camera ready

Digital Media Support
• Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
• Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
• Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive • Custom playlists in every game
• Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
• Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support
• All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
• Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio
• Multichannel surround sound output
• Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
• 320 independent decompression channels
• 32-bit audio processing
• Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation
• Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates
• Interchangeable to personalize the console


vs

Ps3 Specs

CPU

Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU

RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)

Memory

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth

Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance

2 TFLOPS

Storage

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc Media

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

[Shahan14]

in plain english, i dont want any numbers! who has the better graphics!?

[Brandon]

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
So the PS3 can play both PS1 and PS2 games, according to those specs. 8) Sounds good.

[senas8]

Theres alot of rom support there...damn.

[FerrianX]

I posted this before but I'll post it again...

Anyone else notice this???

Xbox 360 Spec;
High-Definition Game Support
• All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
• Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Ps3 Spec;
AV Output Screen size 480i, 480p, 720p,
1080i, 1080p

"Now 1080p/720p/1080i: "p" stands for progressive scan method, "i" stands
for interlace method. 1080p is the highest resolution within the HD standard."

So much for Xbox360 claim of a true HD experience... they can't even provide a FULL HD experience.

[Kala]

Muahahaha PS3 ownz:
Xbox 512mb Ram waste of money on unneccesary ram omg WOW its GDDR3.
PS3 256mb Ram yes but its XDR TEH OWNAGE. Running on 3.2Ghz at 700mhz (look at specs)

Xbox: Oh wow, All 3 cores at 3.Ghz
PS3: Woah! 7 SPE's @ 3.2Ghz

Xbox: DVD
PS3: Blu-ray

Xbox: 4 controllers wireless
PS3: 7 controllers bluetooth!!2!!

Xbox: omg 1TLOP nice,
PS3: 2TFLOPS TEH OWNAGE

im gettin tired someone else say something

[The_One]

in plain english, i dont want any numbers! who has the better graphics!? Plain and simple: Xbox 360. Why the hell do I say this? Xbox 360 has 4x MSAA anti-aliasing without taking any hit to performance power... On the other hand... Hehe... PS3 has no anti-aliasing and it looks like crap--both the design and the aliasing.

Aliasing can make something that's made with 1.5 million polygon look worse than my dead monkey anscestor's arse (Okay, I think I've over used that phrase).

Yes, I'm a fanboy... hehehehe... Go Xbox!! YAY!!! (Not :roll:)

[GodMachine_Iridius_Dio]

So the PS3 can play both PS1 and PS2 games, according to those specs.

See, what'd I say two years ago? Big smile for me!!

Later

Iridius Dio

[mr.bananaz]

I think the Xbox 360 will be a tad better than the ps3 :)

[Rallyracr420]

Sony will be concentrating on the games while MS focuses on the online play. This will be your primary advantage and reason to buy each system. There's no way Sony can match MS's XBoxLive because MS is already on their second generation of a unified online community. But on the other hand MS can't match Sony's R&D time and money that they spent on the Cell chip development.

MS: online community
Sony: raw power

Well, personally I want both so I'm gonna be saving my pennies :D What are you guys gonna choose?

[The_One]

So the PS3 can play both PS1 and PS2 games, according to those specs.

See, what'd I say two years ago? Big smile for me!!

Later

Iridius Dio Actually, I said it was backward compatible too :D.

A big smile for you: :mrgreen:, enjoy, GodMachine_Iridius_Dio ;).

A big smile for me too: :mrgreen:
I think the Xbox 360 will be a tad better than the ps3 Nah, it's gonna TOTAL PS3 man :lol:.

[Brandon]

I think the Xbox 360 will be a tad better than the ps3 :)
Was this a sarcastic remark? Just kidding. They'll both have their pros and cons...maybe.

[jongaleo]

I believe ps3 is the better machine, obviously, BIG TIME. One other thing, something tells me that these speccs were made just to be "comparable".. :) anyway I'm still happy with the way it is, it is still AWESOME! I've read a lot of other things which I'm just too lazy to post about, but I'll provide with a link:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html?q=1

Check out the last paragraph, they also rendered spiderman and some GT5 cars in a "real city?" with at least real kids. man it was amazing, especially Kill Zone and all the other games.. look at tekken 6 pics, I think thats about what the graphics will look like.. at least the EA "last night" or something title was REAL TIME GAMEPLAY!!! thats what the graphics are like. I mean the models faces interact realistically with hits etc.. OMG!! Also, I've heard of old things from sony that they were provided with models taken out of movies that would be used in ps3... and now its REAL! ok thats enough, there's a lot of pics on the net now that you can find. cheers! YOU GOTTA CHECK OUT THE CONFERENCE SHOW!!! THIS IS AMAZING! Cheers!! :)

EDIT: Also you should check out Get Away 3 (I think it was called).. god its just so NICE and real!

btw there are a bunch of other hot games like, Kill Zone 2 and GT5...

[frosty]

there was absolutley nothing during that overhyped circus on mtv that impressed me, maybe gears of war, but the sony conference blew my mind... visuals that exceeded my expectations. looks like sony has this one for sure.

[Mordecaii]

@ The_One:

Do you seriously believe that XBOX 360 will have better looking games? Ok, let's put it this way... PS3 has support for higher rez games in 1080p, they have a higher performance system overall with 51 billion dot products per second, 128 bit pixel precision, and 100 billion shader operations per second, and 136 shader ops per cycle. On top of that, for all we know alti-aliasing could be essentially free on the PS3 as well. Overall, the PS3 certainly has more horsepower, and I have to assume that it will be using anti-aliasing... do you really think Sony is stupid enough to repeat the same mistake they made with the PS2 and jaggies??

[The_One]

@Mordecaii: That was me playing the Xbox fanboy act ;).

On a more serious note, even the people that were there are the Sony conference complained about the aliasing in everything... This is the 21st century Sony/nVidia! Any GPU made in the 21st century should have at LEAST built-in FSAA!! Gah...

[Mordecaii]

@ The_One:

Hehe nice fanboy act :twisted: Anyway, you do have to remember that the PS3 games haven't been developed on for as long, but from what I've been seeing I can't find any jaggies... plus, having an image that big on a 720p resolution is bound to make it look like there are jaggies even if there aren't... So I don't put too much stock in that.

[mr.bananaz]

I think the Xbox 360 will be a tad better than the ps3 :)
Was this a sarcastic remark? Just kidding. They'll both have their pros and cons...maybe.

Exactly!

Edit: And let's face it, IMO there will never be a PERFECT console.

[Danji]

I'm sorry but I myself don't care about aliasing. I think antialiasing is a waste of resources when the screen is 1080.

[Mordecaii]

A good point Danji, anti-aliasing becomes less of a factor if you have a high enough resolution and since games will be standard 1080p, anti-aliasing isn't absolutely necessary like it was this gen.. I do however believe that the aliasing was purely from having a 720p resolution up on a screen that was hundreds of feet wide.

[Kala]

The eyetoy on the PS3 owns the 360. I mean DID U HEAR BOUT THE BATHTUB THING?!?!?!

If u didnt: In the press conference the inventor of eyetoy came out of nowhere and held up two cups, and then 2 cups appeared on the screen. On the screen there was a rubber duck and a bathtub with the 2 new cups. He then *dipped* the cups into the bathtub and the water moved like real waves n stuff!

Also the PS3 has internet access and i havent heard about this on the 360.

Controllers: Most ppl think that the controllers are a failure but im not so quick to judge. I mean Sony's dualshock controllers were a HUGE success that MS copied it for their controllers (I rekon). Sony knows about the success of their past controllers so they would have to been very confident with the new controller to showcase.
I also heard there were different versions of controllers by Sony. But its obvious that there will be different controllers i mean look at this gen.

[Rallyracr420]

Ps3 specs are way better but I abhor what sony did to the dualshock. I can only hope this is a concept, as the dualshock was once the de facto standard for controllers. If the ps3 controller stays this way for next gen MS has a way way way way way better controller.

The only thing I don't understand is why didn't MS use bluetooth for their controller? They specifically said their controller was made to be a universal controller that was supposed to be usable on windows boxes as well as the X360, so bluetooth would make perfect sense.


And another thing!....what the hell happened to have 2 versions of each console??!? I thought for sure we were going to see a stripped down version and a full entertainment version of each console! The PS3 still doesn't even have a hard drive!

[Danji]

Yea it does. Detachable hard drive. They didn't mention size.

[diOndOrAntt]

Witch gpu is better?

Can the PlayStation3 anti-aliasing at all??

[Mordecaii]

From initial specs, the PS3 GPU appears to be better, but I'm definately not the most knowledgeable person on this board, so hopefully someone else can either confirm what I'm saying or tell me I'm wrong... but from what I've seen and heard, it does appear that the PS3 GPU will be more powerful. The XBOX 360 GPU can do 48 billion shader operations per second, and the PS3 GPU can do 100 billion shader operations per second. Also, the PS3 does 51 billion dot products per second, compared to the XBOX 360's 9 billion. The PS3 is based off of nVidia's new graphics cards, and nVidia's cards have long supported anti-aliasing, so the PS3's GPU WILL SUPPORT ANTI-ALIASING!

[diOndOrAntt]

Guys,

We must bomb sony with mails to put 512 mb on this baby 8)

[Danji]

Guys,

We must bomb sony with mails to put 512 mb on this baby 8)

There is 512MB in it! Can you not read? 256MB XDR (with cell) and 256MB GDDR3 (with RSX).

That reminds me. The RSX, from what I can tell, is fucking insane. It's so incredibly powerful that it is the main reason why the PS3 will blow the Xbox360 out of the water. Actually, it's the whole system that is the reason because of the way it works together.

[Mordecaii]

I agree Danji... I was expecting the CELL to be the monster of the system, but from what I can see the RSX is equally freakin' insane! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!


Edit: I haven't said anything about Sony's online stuff yet, but apparently they are going with something similar to Xbox LIVE, and they will allow P2P sharing across their network, along with access to your PS3 from anywhere in the world via your PSP, and you can also use your EyeToy from anywhere in the world as well. Also, the PS3 has 3 gigabit ethernet ports, 1 for net access, and 2 to split the connection, so the PS3 is also a router!!!!! Also, it has WiFi for b & g standards. It sounds to me like Sony isn't kidding around when it comes to online this time!

[diOndOrAntt]

Danji, can u say it easyer :shock: im a noob.

So the PlayStation 3 has 256mb XDR ram but gets the 256mb extra from the gpu???

And the gpu has 512mb total??

[nemesis121]

Xbox 360 line up of game for launch and beyond.

Blue Dragon (Microsoft Game Studios, Mistwalker Inc.) from Hironobu Sakaguchi, original creator of the “FINAL FANTASY” series, is an epic role-playing game (RPG) featuring
the original artwork of Akira Toriyama, creator of the “Dragonball” series of manga and anime.

Call of Duty 2 (Activision Publishing Inc., Infinity Ward), the sequel to the 2003 Game of the Year, delivers a vivid portrayal of the chaos and cinematic intensity of World War II through stunningly detailed graphics, advanced artificial intelligence (AI) and explosive action.

Condemned: Criminal Origins (SEGA, Monolith Productions Inc.) is a first-person psychological thriller featuring photorealistic graphics, advanced enemy AI and a strong dose of atmospheric tension. The hunt for a notorious serial killer offers gamers combat and game environments that are unpredictable and terrifyingly real.

Dead or Alive 4 (Tecmo Inc., Team Ninja) will be the defining gaming experience on Xbox 360. It will encompass all that the next-generation console has to offer, giving players the most rewarding digital fighting experience to date on any video game console.

DEAD RISING (Working Title) (Capcom, Capcom) follows the harrowing tale of an overzealous freelance photojournalist as he struggles to survive an endless stream of zombies. Players will have full reign of a realistic shopping center, utilizing anything they find to fight off the flesh-hungry mob and search for the truth behind the horrendous epidemic.

The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion (Bethesda Softworks/2K Games, Bethseda Game Studios) is a quintessential role-playing game for the next generation and another leap forward in gaming. Oblivion is the latest chapter in the epic and highly successful “Elder Scrolls” saga and utilizes next-generation video game hardware to fully immerse players in the experience.

Full Auto (SEGA, Pseudo Interactive Inc.) redefines combat racing with physics technology that enables bigger crashes and the most destructive play experience ever captured in the racing genre. Amazingly detailed vehicles race through packed city streets with guns blazing, laying spectacular waste to other vehicles and buildings that get in their way.

Gears of War (Microsoft Game Studios, Epic Games Inc.) blends the best of tactical action games with the best of survival horror titles, thrusting gamers into the harrowing story of humankind’s battle for survival against the Locust Horde, creating cinematic, high-definition visuals so intense and powerful, it feels like the gamers are controlling a blockbuster action movie.

Kameo: Elements of Power (Microsoft Game Studios, Rare Ltd.) is an action-adventure game with role-playing elements for gamers of all ages and skill levels. From legendary game developer Rare, Kameo: Elements of Power sends players on a magical and epic journey full of intense combat, magnificent exploration and innovative morph-into-warrior action.

Lost Odyssey (Microsoft Game Studios, Mistwalker), is a truly next-generation RPG created by acclaimed artists Takehiko Inoue (Japanese manga creator, made famous by Slam Dunk), Kiyoshi Shigematsu (a famous Japanese novelist) and Nobuo Uematsu (Japanese music composer, known for creating the music for the FINAL FANTASY series of games). The game is produced by Hironobu Sakaguchi, creator of the original FINAL FANTASY series.

NINETY-NINE NIGHTS (Microsoft Game Studios, Q Entertainment/Phantagram Ltd.) is a brand-new fantasy action game by Tetsuya Mizuguchi, known as the creator of Space Channel 5, Rez and the recent LUMINES, developed in collaboration with the renowned Korean developer Phantagram.

The Outfit (THQ Inc., Relic Entertainment) takes explosive World War II combat to the next generation in an all-new, third-person action game. Combining intense squad-based combat and easy-to-use strategic gameplay elements, The Outfit takes players behind enemy lines, battling the Nazi war machine through a variety of combat missions.

Perfect Dark: Zero (Microsoft Game Studios, Rare) is the prequel to the hugely popular and critically acclaimed Perfect Dark. Set in the year 2020 — years before the original hit game — Perfect Dark: Zero reveals the origins of Joanna Dark, one of the most lethal special agents.

Project Gotham Racing 3 (Microsoft Game Studios, Bizarre Creations Ltd.) is the latest entry in the award-winning Project Gotham Racing franchise and expands on the features and gameplay that race fans have grown to know and love. PGR™ 3 enables gamers to create the ultimate roster of the hottest supercars in existence, introduces them to the high-definition era and drops them into a completely new racing world where style rules the road.

QUAKE 4 (Activision, id Software and Raven Software) is the sequel to the award-winning and historic QUAKE II. In a war for Earth’s survival against an unrelenting enemy, the only way to defeat them is to become one of them.

Saint’s Row (THQ, Volition Inc.) harnesses the power of the Xbox 360 platform to combine compelling, cinematic storytelling with unprecedented customization. Ushering in the next evolution of open-world gameplay, Saint’s Row watches players rise from thug to kingpin in a robust, nonlinear environment that reacts and adapts to their every move. Saint’s Row features both single-player and online multiplayer modes.

Test Drive Unlimited (Atari, Eden Games) is the ultimate automotive experience for car and bike enthusiasts alike. Test Drive Unlimited challenges players online to experience the most exotic and fastest vehicles on more than 1,000 miles of diverse Hawaiian roads.


Xbox Live: A 2-Million-Member Movement and Rapidly Expanding

By the end of June, Xbox Live — where games, entertainment and community come alive — will surpass the 2-million-member mark, a doubling of the community in just the past year. Adding fuel to its relentless ascension, this holiday season Xbox Live will have more than 300 multiplayer games available, with new titles such as Tony Hawk’s American Wasteland™ (Activision), Star Wars Battlefront™ II (LucasArts) and Burnout™ Revenge (Electronic Arts) for Xbox, and PGR 3 (Microsoft Game Studios), Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts) and Call of Duty 2 (Activision) for Xbox 360.

Xbox Live memberships will transfer seamlessly from Xbox to Xbox 360 when the new system launches.
More exponential growth is on the horizon, because a Silver level of Xbox Live service will be available at no extra cost to Xbox 360 players who choose a broadband connection for their system. With the Silver level of service, gamers immediately access the Xbox Live Marketplace to download demos and trailers along with new game levels, maps, weapons, vehicles, skins, classic arcade games, card and board games, community-created content, and more to the detachable Xbox 360 hard drive. Players can also voice chat with friends, and send and receive text and voice messages.

In addition, Xbox 360 owners new to Xbox Live will kick-start their experience with a free month of the full subscription service, or Gold level, which will allow them to enjoy the full power of the service, including online multiplayer gaming, online tournaments and exclusive, original programming. Special features available to Gold subscribers only also include Spectator Mode, which will supercharge the entire Xbox Live game experience. For example, in PGR 3, gamers can watch any of their friends and the world’s top players on live spectator feeds, get live ticker-tape information when friends break records, and compete with anyone, anywhere, anytime. Through riveting games and new community features, Microsoft expects to connect half of all Xbox 360 consoles to Xbox Live.

“With new levels of service and new features like Gamer Profiles, Xbox Live Marketplace, spectator mode and video chat inspiring new ideas and audiences, Xbox 360 has us re-imagining the future of online games,” said Laurent Detoc, executive director of Ubisoft North America. “Every great game in the next generation will be a great online game. Gamers can count on Ubisoft to push the possibilities of Xbox Live to the very edge.”


PS3 annouced line up for launch and beyond

Tekken 6 -- Namco.

Killzone 2 -- Guerilla

Vision Gran Turismo aka GT5 -- Polyphony Digital

Formula One -- Sony Liverpool

Untitled Old West Game -- Rockstar

Oh-Ni -- Koei

Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam World -- Bandai

Devil May Cry 4 -- Capcom

Super Gory Wolfenstein Style FPS -- Insomniac

Metal Gear Solid 4 -- Konami

EYEdentify Voice Recognition Game -- SCEA

Fifth Phantom Saga -- Sega

Heavenly Sword -- Sony

Warhawk -- Incognito

Killing Day -- Ubisoft

Motor Storm -- Evolution


SO far xbox 360 seem to have a better set of games in development, they may not have a tekken or mgs 4, but they are trying to bring fresh games, unlike sony who will have the monster system, and rely on pass hits, I will own all 3 next gen system, but I am not happy with sony and they constant sequels.

[Mordecaii]

Of course the 360 has more games announced, it's closer to release for one and they've already had a lot of announcements unlike Sony who have kept things pretty much secret until now. I'm going to reserve my judgment on game and developer support until after E3 is over.

[The_One]

Danji, can u say it easyer :shock: im a noob.

So the PlayStation 3 has 256mb XDR ram but gets the 256mb extra from the gpu???

And the gpu has 512mb total?? Hmm... Think of it this way:
CPU has 256MB of ultra fast XDR RAM
GPU has 256M of fast GDDR3 RAM

Combined total is 512MB.

@nemesis: A few of the games you mentioned are multiplatform too (condemned, call of duty, elder scrolls, Quake 4, test drive, etc... just to name a few). You also forgot to mention Ace Combat and GT5, two of the most realistic sim franchise out there for the PS3. Note to mention that UT 2007 will most likely be on PS3 also.
Players can also voice chat with friends, and send and receive text and voice messages. That's nothing to tout about... Even current gen Xbox and PS2 allows that :roll:.

Also, we know almost nothing about PS3's online capabilities, so it could be very close to Xbox Live for all we know :roll:. The kicker -- It could even be free, unlike Live!

[n1n9tean]

LIVE does have a free version.

and yes we do know something about PS3 online...werent you paying attention to the segment about all the P2P features and stuff. :shock:

I will have a PS3 for SURE! 8)

Can't wait to see what else Sony has to tell us at E3. :D

[The_One]

LIVE does have a free version.
and yes we do know something about PS3 online...werent you paying attention to the segment about all the P2P features and stuff. :shock:

I will have a PS3 for SURE! 8)

Can't wait to see what else Sony has to tell us at E3. :D Yeah, the free version doesn't even allow you to actually PLAY online... It just lets you download craps and buy junks... Really useless, IMO. At least they give weekends on Live for free, which is a good thing. Problem is, I don't usually have time to play games during weekends :(.

[Ironlungz]

@ the_one

PLaying the role of an Xbox fan boy....

Hmm..come to think some of your post strike me as kinda of funny.

Now that the chips are on the table just come and be free...say your an xbox closet fan boy trapped in a ps3 forum. :lol:

[Domination]

PS3 vs Xbox 360 ... You Be the Judge!

Xbox 360 Specs

A 20GB hard drive, high-def game support and a 500MHz ATI graphics processor: Glimpse the Xbox 360's system performance specifications as provided by Microsoft.

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
• Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
• Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
• VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
• 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
• 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance
• 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
• 500MHz processor
• 10 MB of embedded DRAM
• 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
• Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance
• 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate
• 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance
• 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory
• 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM
• 700 MHz of DDR
• Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth • 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
• 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
• 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance
• 1 teraflop

Storage
• Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
• 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
• Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O
• Support for up to four wireless game controllers
• Three USB 2.0 ports
• Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online
• Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
• Built-in Ethernet port
• Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b and 802.11g
• Video camera ready

Digital Media Support
• Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
• Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
• Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive • Custom playlists in every game
• Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
• Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support
• All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
• Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio
• Multichannel surround sound output
• Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
• 320 independent decompression channels
• 32-bit audio processing
• Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation
• Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates
• Interchangeable to personalize the console


vs

Ps3 Specs

CPU

Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU

RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)

Memory

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth

Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance

2 TFLOPS

Storage

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc Media

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

HOLY SHIT!!! Sorry guys. I'm not normally a foul mouth, but the specs I am seeing has exceeded my expectations GREATLY!!! This thing is doing TWO freakin' teraflops.
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[Red_Eyes]

Witch gpu is better?

Can the PlayStation3 anti-aliasing at all??

Sony's GPU is better. Read the specs. It can do more calculations than Xbox's GPU.

[Mordecaii]

Another thing that really impresses me is that Sony will be able to have thousands of audio channels at a time... in one of their demos they had multiple thousands of leaves and they said that they could have an audio channel for each one while also processing the physics for them at the same time. :shock: :shock: :shock:

[tecnomante]

OK GUYS THATS ENOUGH!!!
HAV YOU SEEN SAME PRESS CONFERENCES VIDEOS AS ME??????

I really cannot understand ppl discussing about tech specs to compare playstation 3 and xbox 360

THERES NO POSIBLE COMPARISON

xbox is mediocre while playstation 3 is simply best game system ever
just take killzone getaway killing day and try to compare to any of xbox game or take fight night and compare models with xbox nba ones the are on different dimensions, have you seen those crappy ea games are like old pc games, the most funny part for me was the president of square that was in both conferences first on sony presenting a game that was like :O and then on microsoft saying the same while showing a game that was lot worst.

[Lumine]

I think all of the graphics and all of the power and all of the hoo-haas and bells and whistles are going to come down to one critical difference:

Xbox 360:
12x dual-layer DVD-ROM

PS3:
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE


Now, that isn't exactly a nice comparison. It really does slant things towards the Sony side, however... let me compare this way:

Xbox 360: (assuming dual-layered DVDs)
Max Capacity: 7.96gb
Transfer Speed: 1.32MB/s x 12 = 15.84 megabytes/second
Mean Seek Time: ~45ms
Source (http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html)

PS3: (using old Blu-ray stats, assuming dual-layers br dics and 1x transfer speed)
Max Capacity: 54gb
Transfer Speed: 36.5Mbps / 8 = 4.56 megabytes/second
Mean Seek Time: can't find.. expect > 45ms
Source (http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/)

When it comes right down to it, pretty looking games take up alot of space on the old CD, for the most part, and 54gb is just a whole whole lot more than 8

[nemesis121]

xbox is mediocre while playstation 3 is simply best game system ever


This is why I hate fanboys, this forums have some of the dumbest people I have ever came cross in a online forum.

[Red_Eyes]

OK GUYS THATS ENOUGH!!!
HAV YOU SEEN SAME PRESS CONFERENCES VIDEOS AS ME??????

I really cannot understand ppl discussing about tech specs to compare playstation 3 and xbox 360

THERES NO POSIBLE COMPARISON

xbox is mediocre while playstation 3 is simply best game system ever
just take killzone getaway killing day and try to compare to any of xbox game or take fight night and compare models with xbox nba ones the are on different dimensions, have you seen those crappy ea games are like old pc games, the most funny part for me was the president of square that was in both conferences first on sony presenting a game that was like :O and then on microsoft saying the same while showing a game that was lot worst.

yeah, that's true. Anyone who haven't seen the press conference, go watch it. Watch Sony's press conference, then watch Xbox's conference. I guarentee you that PS3 is better.

[tecnomante]

xbox is mediocre while playstation 3 is simply best game system ever


This is why I hate fanboys, this forums have some of the dumbest people I have ever came cross in a online forum.

if i have to be considered a fanboy then i would be a nintendo fanboy so you r totally wrong, i have a very strong feeling for nintendo consoles because they were first ones i played, this is not fan boys chitchat, what i say is that i read how you compare specs when your r supposed to watch both conferences and simply admit the evidence, playstation 3 is not in the same level that xbox 360, it is far better, any single frame is more impresive on playstation 3 and what ppl are not talking about is physics which are best part of playstation 3 videos, look for physics on xbox, it is barely present as interactive element, when you fid it is prerended like in unreal 3 or tom clancy (wich are the best titles xbox 360 put in the conference)

anyway watch conferences and come to tell us

[Theo]

Good morning to you all!!!

Well, the ps3 seems to support alot of stuff that was hyped after all eh? I'm very happy :D , it really lived to my expectations...and I must say some of the demonstrations looked even better than what I was expecting to see at the very beginning. A next-gen machine indeed 8) !

[tecnomante]

Good morning to you all!!!

Well, the ps3 seems to support alot of stuff that was hyped after all eh? I'm very happy :D , it really lived to my expectations...and I must say some of the demonstrations looked even better than what I was expecting to see at the very beginning. A next-gen machine indeed 8) !


YOU SLEPT!?!?!?! shame on you man shame on you :P

[Nando]

Whats the Difference between xdr and gddr3?

[Goki]

Guys, sorry to break the news but, 2.5 hdd "SLOT" Does not mean harddrive included, just means there's a slot for it in case of uppgrade, just like ps2. I think this somehow is sometinhg the guys at Sony would be willing to change if bombarded wit mail.

[jaxmkii]

in plain english, i dont want any numbers! who has the better graphics!? Plain and simple: Xbox 360. Why the hell do I say this? Xbox 360 has 4x MSAA anti-aliasing without taking any hit to performance power... On the other hand... Hehe... PS3 has no anti-aliasing and it looks like crap--both the design and the aliasing.

Aliasing can make something that's made with 1.5 million polygon look worse than my dead monkey anscestor's arse (Okay, I think I've over used that phrase).

Yes, I'm a fanboy... hehehehe... Go Xbox!! YAY!!! (Not :roll:) who needs AA at 1080p ?!?

xbox is mediocre while playstation 3 is simply best game system ever


This is why I hate fanboys, this forums have some of the dumbest people I have ever came cross in a online forum. you need to vistit team Xbox :lol:

[stanDarsh]

[HOLY SHIT!!! Sorry guys. I'm not normally a foul mouth, but the specs I am seeing has exceeded my expectations GREATLY!!! This thing is doing TWO freakin' teraflops.
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Keep in mind the Flops provided by the GPU as 1.8TFlop should be as much regarded as the claim that XBox360 does 1TFlop, it's just marketting.

[kevindenoyette]

[HOLY SHIT!!! Sorry guys. I'm not normally a foul mouth, but the specs I am seeing has exceeded my expectations GREATLY!!! This thing is doing TWO freakin' teraflops.
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Keep in mind the Flops provided by the GPU as 1.8TFlop should be as much regarded as the claim that XBox360 does 1TFlop, it's just marketting.



It's 1.8Tflops from the GPU, 218 Gflops from the 1 CELL core.

Microsoft has 115Gflops from the cpu's, and 900Gflops from the GPU.



Overall, the ps3 obviously has a power advantage. More flops, better memory (equal amount as microsoft but the architecture allows it to be distributed a lot more efficient, the GPU can access all 512 MB and such), higher bandwidth. I don't think there's anything the ps3 does worse than the xbox 360.

[velcrow]

The two machines (Xbox 360 and PS3) are simply not comparable.

Xbox 360 is to PS3 what Dreamcast was to PS2 (don't take too literal)

The hardware specs are very lopsided towards PS3. However, I would imagine that the first-gen games will not demonstrate just how lopsided the specs are. There will be a definite difference (especially in PS3-only games), but each generation of games following the first-gen games will show PS3's performance advantages ever increasingly.

btw--- i love xbox. if a fanboy, xbox i would be. But being a hardware guru by trade, i have to face facts and the fact is that MS is extemely lucky that they are getting their product out sooner than Sony. They will be able to snag a lot of peeps (including me) early. Once the PS3 comes out --- MS is going to struggle selling machines.

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A teraflop means 1000 gigaflops, so IBM is claiming that one PS3 is 2000% faster than an eight way power5 server selling at half a million bucks??
This is stupid.
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Just FYI, expect lots of dumb attacks on the crediblity of the PS3 specs. People like this do not understand that the half-million dollar power5 server is made to handle an infinite ammount of apps, not just games and basic multimedia.... here's the link if you want to read his full attack on PS3 specs: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23285

[GravY]

the PS3 figure of 2.18tflop is total system (cell and gpu) raw performance.. Xboxs 1tflop is cpu only and not just a raw spec.

[semiconductor]

From initial specs, the PS3 GPU appears to be better, but I'm definately not the most knowledgeable person on this board, so hopefully someone else can either confirm what I'm saying or tell me I'm wrong... but from what I've seen and heard, it does appear that the PS3 GPU will be more powerful. The XBOX 360 GPU can do 48 billion shader operations per second, and the PS3 GPU can do 100 billion shader operations per second. Also, the PS3 does 51 billion dot products per second, compared to the XBOX 360's 9 billion. The PS3 is based off of nVidia's new graphics cards, and nVidia's cards have long supported anti-aliasing, so the PS3's GPU WILL SUPPORT ANTI-ALIASING!

I had a question about the Bussystem and rendertype of the GPU.
The RSX GPU in the PS3 has no embedded Vram,i wonder if 22,4
Gbyte/s fast enough for 720p[i]/1080p[i] and 60 Frames/s.Is the RSX a defferend render GPU like POwerVr2/Vr5 for enough graphicspeed.I remember of an discussion in beyond3d forum about a ps3 GPU patent that show this function.Is that right???

[KlawHammer]

How wxactly is that a better set of games? Some of those Xbox release titles are actually PC games - some arent even known.

[Kala]

There hasnt been much info on PS3's online ability. All i know is that it was video networking. A TV like broadcasting system where u store ur own video clips on ur harddrive and other ppl can access it and the obvious fact that other ppl can see u through ur own camera. I also know that PS3 has internet browsing which is not present in Xbox360 (im pretty sure). Is there anything else i am missing i wanna know more bout the online aspect because that is VERY important for me and im sure for many other ppl too

[Z]

E3 Opinion: Xbox 360 is outgunned and outclassed by Sony's PS3
Illustration
Rob Fahey 07:09 17/05/2005

With both Microsoft and Sony laying their cards on the table over the past week, the opening skirmish of the next-gen console war has tipped heavily in favour of the PlayStation 3 - but the war is only starting, says Rob Fahey.

There was a point, at Microsoft's pre-E3 conference four years ago, when a lot of people began to believe in Xbox. I can pinpoint the moment almost exactly - it was the point when the video of Dead or Alive 3 rolled, and the jaws of the audience slackened as the best in-game graphics they'd ever seen suddenly graced the screens ahead of them. Back when Halo was just another unproven first person shooter, a single swoop over Team Ninja's beautiful, sun-kissed beach was enough to convince many people that Xbox was worthy of attention. I know; I was one of those people.

Walking out of that conference, just a few miles from where I'm sitting now and just a few years back in time, I heard someone - an American journalist - say that Sony had been "totally, like, outclassed". He was right; the PlayStation 2 had just been given a technological kicking by its upstart rival. Not that this would stop Sony from coasting to a comfortable victory by the end of the hardware generation, of course, but the sheer graphical prowess of the Xbox really did give PS2 a bloody nose. Outclassed was the only word for it.

Today, Sony returned the favour. With interest.

Looking at the content of the two conferences today in Los Angeles - and the MTV special last week, in the case of Xbox 360 - "outclassed" is a word that comes to mind a lot. The bar which was set by Microsoft last week has not only been met, it has been vaulted over. PlayStation 3 is more powerful, more fully featured, more innovative and better supported than Xbox 360. When the Sony conference kicked off, we expected to see something "a bit better" than Xbox, technologically. We didn't expect to have our most fundamental beliefs about what next-generation games will be capable of changed. That, however, is exactly what happened.

I don't want to beat on Microsoft too hard, because ultimately there are still quite a few Xbox 360 games I'm looking forward to; but it's hard not to feel that suddenly, Microsoft's hip lingo and celebrity endorsements seem to ring very hollow. Where Microsoft gave us Elijah Wood babbling through a half hour marketing-led special on MTV, Sony had us watching Phil Harrison show off jaw-dropping interactive tech demos on stage. Harrison is about as far from being a hobbit as you can get - I'm not kidding, the man's a giant - and Ken Kutaragi is unlikely to ever have as many screaming fans as The Killers, but Sony seemed to feel that its new console spoke for itself. It didn't need celebrity endorsements, or senior executives trying to be "down with the kids" - thank god.

It's not that Sony would have problems rounding up some impressive celebs if they so desired. Sony Pictures, Sony Music and the PlayStation brand itself could have called out half of Hollywood today. Instead, we got to see a game console that feels genuinely next generation. We weren't told how "cool" a random American sports star thinks PlayStation 3 is, we were told how astonishingly powerful it is and how incredibly feature-packed it is. We're not just talking about a console that's twice as powerful as Xbox 360 in simple, logical terms (and bear in mind that that's a far, far greater gap in power than existed between PS2 and Xbox); we're talking about a console with more functionality, with fewer corners cut and with a genuinely more impressive line-up of software.

If the day could be summed up in a microcosm, it would be Square Enix' story that explained events best. Yoichi Wada, the firm's president, made two stops today. At the Sony conference, he was one of many developers presenting stunning tech demos - in his case, a truly stunning real-time recreation of the opening to Final Fantasy VII, using characters almost as high quality as those seen in the forthcoming Advent Children movie. Within a matter of hours, he had another stop to make - this time with a headline billing at the Microsoft conference, where he revealed that Square Enix will be supporting Xbox 360... With the release of a four year old massively multiplayer game that's already available on PS2 and PC.

Outclassed? Undoubtedly. Sony's hardware, its software, and even its simple display of confidence in its own product have completely outclassed Microsoft today - but while there can be little doubt about the outcome of this particular battle, it'd be a foolish man who assumed that the war was over yet. What Sony has done unto Microsoft today, Microsoft did unto Sony not so many years ago - and software giant is unlikely to take a defeat at E3 lying down. This tug of war has a long way to go yet.

-gamesindustry.biz

[diOndOrAntt]

PS3

Cpu: Eight 3.2 ghz Cores -2.18 Teraflop
GPU:
51 billion dot per second
100 billion shader operations
300 millon transistors

512 MB RAM -256MB XDR main RAM at 3.2GHz, 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700MHz.

Xbox 360

Cpu: Three 3.2 ghz cores-1.15 Teraflop
GPU:
9 billion dot per second
48 billion shader operations per second
150 million transistors

[kenshin10]

Which console is better? I would have to say PS3. At first, i thought the PS3's specs were just a little bit better than the 360 until I saw the videos! Those videos blew my mind away. And the ducky demostration with the eyetoy was mindboggling. The topic about which graphics is superior, of course as you can see from the demos RSX/Cell blew everyone's brains away. No need to argue this thing(specs) over from paper. The presentation speaks for itself! Unreal Engine 3.0 running in real time so smoothly! Spiderman CG character also rendered in real time together with scenes from GT5. FFVII also played in real time. Awesome power! Yes, PS3 might only have 256MB of main ram and 360 gets 512MB but the PS3 incorporates XDR which supposedly be 2-3x faster than DDR. It's not all about specs, it's about the architecture of the technology. But we will know for sure how these consoles will match-up starting in 2007/2008. It will be the time when developers fully take advantage of the capabilities of these next gen machines.

[Mordecaii]

@ GravY:
Dude, the 1 TFLOP for the XBOX 360 was total system power, just like the 2 TFLOP for the PS3 was total system power. the XBOX 360 processor only gets 115 GFLOP/s, whereas the PS3 CELL gets 218 GFLOP/s.

Guys, PS3 has 512 Megs of RAM!!!!!! It has 256 XDR for CPU use, and 256 GDDR3 that the GPU can use, but the GPU can use all 512 if it so wants. The GPU will require more RAM than the CPU anyway, so it was smart of Sony to use GDDR 3 along with XDR.

[stanDarsh]

It's 1.8Tflops from the GPU, 218 Gflops from the 1 CELL core.

Microsoft has 115Gflops from the cpu's, and 900Gflops from the GPU.

Overall, the ps3 obviously has a power advantage. More flops, better memory (equal amount as microsoft but the architecture allows it to be distributed a lot more efficient, the GPU can access all 512 MB and such), higher bandwidth. I don't think there's anything the ps3 does worse than the xbox 360.

Overall perhaps, but what I was saying is the Flops measured on both GPUs are not true figures, it could still mean that the Nividia GPU is twice as good as the ATI GPU, but more realistically it isn't and it's marketting used at its best.

[Mordecaii]

@ stanDarsh:

Ok, let's go with a different measurement than the FLOP/s. How about the fact that the PS3 can do 100 billion shader ops per second, whereas the 360 can only do 68 billion? Or the fact that the PS3 can do 50+ billion dot products per second, with the 360 doing only 9 billion? I agree that the FLOP/s number is probably elevated, but the fact is the PS3 specs are clearly superior.

[Z]

as far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong) there is absolutely NOTHING- not one little thing- that X2 is better in. you got number of controllers, CPU raw power, over all Teraflops, RAM configuration, dev support, demo line up, presentation, etc (this could go on all night).

here is a great article about both X2 and PS3 :
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59133

it is nicely written, it is clear and truthful. I agree with him al the way.

[Danji]

Very accurate, I agree with a lot of the things that article said.

[Chris Metal]

shame about the people posting comments afterwards though. :roll:

[SheElf]

assertion that it can be number one in this generation. You know what? Frankly, going on what I've seen so far, I'm not even convinced Xbox 360 and PS3 are the same generation.
Well, this is my favourite line.

[Z]

enough proof for that is the fact that ALL X2 (and other systems')forums try to tell themselves that ALL PS3 game footage is prerendered and say "no way PS3 is that good".

aaaah, the denial. actually, it will be a nice quite five years or so with out hearing the fanboys screaming everychance they get about "graphics! more power! graphics! more power!..etc.

I am going to enjoy these peace and quiet. than you Sony, thank you PS3, and thank youKuturagi-san 8)

[Shahan14]

does this mean sony has much better graphics than 360?

[n1n9tean]

Sony didn't call it Xbox 1.5 for nothing....we know now what Sony knew all along. 8)

PS3 is superior.

[Domination]

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
So the PS3 can play both PS1 and PS2 games, according to those specs. 8) Sounds good.

I told you it would. After all the hints we kep getting, there was nothing that was going to change my mind after that.

I believe ps3 is the better machine, obviously, BIG TIME. One other thing, something tells me that these speccs were made just to be "comparable".. anyway I'm still happy with the way it is, it is still AWESOME! I've read a lot of other things which I'm just too lazy to post about, but I'll provide with a link:

I know the specs aren't final. Microsoft is launching earlier than Sony. Sony has way more time to tweak their console. They are only laying out a comfortable line to remain flexible to whatever their competition does. You better believe some of their specs will be increased while others may remain the same when this console is ready to launch. The did the samething with the PSP. It had RAM at 16MB, and it was increased to 32 by launch. They are not idiotic enough to finalise their console right in the face Microsoft or Nintendo when they are said to be the last ones out the door. Who ever thought these specs were final has clearly been mistaken.

[Goki]

Which is more stupid?

Microsoft using standard DVD's for 360

Sony changing the DS2 design (although im almost conviced its more comfortoble to hold, the more and more I look at it)

[Domination]

The eyetoy on the PS3 owns the 360. I mean DID U HEAR BOUT THE BATHTUB THING?!?!?!

If u didnt: In the press conference the inventor of eyetoy came out of nowhere and held up two cups, and then 2 cups appeared on the screen. On the screen there was a rubber duck and a bathtub with the 2 new cups. He then *dipped* the cups into the bathtub and the water moved like real waves n stuff!

Also the PS3 has internet access and i havent heard about this on the 360.

Controllers: Most ppl think that the controllers are a failure but im not so quick to judge. I mean Sony's dualshock controllers were a HUGE success that MS copied it for their controllers (I rekon). Sony knows about the success of their past controllers so they would have to been very confident with the new controller to showcase.
I also heard there were different versions of controllers by Sony. But its obvious that there will be different controllers i mean look at this gen.

Do you have a link to this video? I have been trying to find it for awhile.

[Domination]

Ps3 specs are way better but I abhor what sony did to the dualshock. I can only hope this is a concept, as the dualshock was once the de facto standard for controllers. If the ps3 controller stays this way for next gen MS has a way way way way way better controller.

The only thing I don't understand is why didn't MS use bluetooth for their controller? They specifically said their controller was made to be a universal controller that was supposed to be usable on windows boxes as well as the X360, so bluetooth would make perfect sense.


And another thing!....what the hell happened to have 2 versions of each console??!? I thought for sure we were going to see a stripped down version and a full entertainment version of each console! The PS3 still doesn't even have a hard drive!

STORAGE
--HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
--I/O--USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
--Memory Stickstandard/Duo, PRO x 1
--SD standard/mini x 1
--CompactFlash(Type I, II) x 1

[Goki]

HDD SLOT is just that, a slot, doesnt mean that a harddrive is included, just means that theres place for a uppgrade, just like the update to PS2 had a slot for the harddrive, wheres the original had external harddrive.

Although im sure Sony will include one in the end, prbably small volume just so that they can make more money later on,

Oh and BTW reason why Microsoft didnt use Bluetooth was cause Bluetooth is Sony technology (Sony Ericsson to be precise) Just like they didnt use Blu ray, cause its Sony technology (Sony's doing a damn good job of trying to take over the world lol)

[Coded-Dude]

but I believe they are talking about selling it as an optional "bundle"

not something offered with the PS2(to my knoweldge you had to buy it seperately or with a game)

[Shahan14]

yeah u need to pay $ to upgrade for the hard drive

[Rallyracr420]

Ps3 specs are way better but I abhor what sony did to the dualshock. I can only hope this is a concept, as the dualshock was once the de facto standard for controllers. If the ps3 controller stays this way for next gen MS has a way way way way way better controller.

The only thing I don't understand is why didn't MS use bluetooth for their controller? They specifically said their controller was made to be a universal controller that was supposed to be usable on windows boxes as well as the X360, so bluetooth would make perfect sense.


And another thing!....what the hell happened to have 2 versions of each console??!? I thought for sure we were going to see a stripped down version and a full entertainment version of each console! The PS3 still doesn't even have a hard drive!

STORAGE
--HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
--I/O--USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
--Memory Stickstandard/Duo, PRO x 1
--SD standard/mini x 1
--CompactFlash(Type I, II) x 1

Its like Goki said...a slot is only a slot. If the PS3 doesn't include a HD standard they'll be missing out on so many features that helped the XBox make a solid dent in the console market. Custom soundtracks, downloadable content, less loading...plus anything else the devs can think of. By making the HD an option all games devs have to write software that, at the very least, expects that drive not to be there. This limits software capabilities. I'm shocked and appalled that Sony neglected to make this standard.

Oh and BTW reason why Microsoft didnt use Bluetooth was cause Bluetooth is Sony technology (Sony Ericsson to be precise) Just like they didnt use Blu ray, cause its Sony technology (Sony's doing a damn good job of trying to take over the world lol)
Then why do I have a Microsoft Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse combo on my computer at home?

[Domination]

HDD SLOT is just that, a slot, doesnt mean that a harddrive is included, just means that theres place for a uppgrade, just like the update to PS2 had a slot for the harddrive, wheres the original had external harddrive.

Although im sure Sony will include one in the end, prbably small volume just so that they can make more money later on,

Oh and BTW reason why Microsoft didnt use Bluetooth was cause Bluetooth is Sony technology (Sony Ericsson to be precise) Just like they didnt use Blu ray, cause its Sony technology (Sony's doing a damn good job of trying to take over the world lol)

I know that. I was confirming HDD storage for the PS3. The slot isn't there for nothing, you know. It will have an HDD either at launch or later on.

[Lord Darkblade]

As a side note, the PS3 Blu-ray drive is x6.

Continue;

[Z]

here is a comparison of the three systems so far. it is nice to have everything we know layed nicely on one sheet. check here:
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15016-1985-x-x-x

[Overload]

Speaking of Hard drives and saving, if Sony wasn't going to include a HDD then were would your saves go? the MS, SD cards, how would it be distributed if you have a HDD a MS and a SD card all connected.... hmmn

[FerrianX]

here is a comparison of the three systems so far. it is nice to have everything we know layed nicely on one sheet. check here:
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15016-1985-x-x-x

The spec sheet seems to leave out a few known facts... for example lets start with BluRay (BD-ROM/BD-R/BD-RE/etc).

[Coded-Dude]

Speaking of Hard drives and saving, if Sony wasn't going to include a HDD then were would your saves go? the MS, SD cards, how would it be distributed if you have a HDD a MS and a SD card all connected.... hmmn

I'm sure you will be able to specify which medium to save you games to(just like picking memory card slot 1 or 2)
This also could depend on developers, the game has to recognize the storage device.

I actually think Sony added the compact flash and SD so that you can interact with all other electronic devices.
Plug and Play pictures, movies, and music from you cameras, video recorders, and mp3/psp players.

This is truly going to be my next PC! I can't wait!

[Overload]

Another thing I wonder is how warm the system would get. The 360 has a water cooling system and about 2 fans, that things probably gonna cause a racket and a meltdown if you happen to get a malfunctioning one.

[Goki]

To rally racer:

Microsoft windows isnt in direct competition with Sony , unlike the Xbox360 which is. It wouldnt look good for Microsoft to use technology for a product that is in direct competition with the makers of that specific technology. Even Sony uses Microsft technology and software for their hardware, like Vaio's But 360 and PS3 are a totally diffrent matter, The 2 products are in a specific type of genre, and are in direct competition, openly to the public.

[Danji]

assertion that it can be number one in this generation. You know what? Frankly, going on what I've seen so far, I'm not even convinced Xbox 360 and PS3 are the same generation.
Well, this is my favourite line.

I agree!

enough proof for that is the fact that ALL X2 (and other systems')forums try to tell themselves that ALL PS3 game footage is prerendered and say "no way PS3 is that good".

aaaah, the denial. actually, it will be a nice quite five years or so with out hearing the fanboys screaming everychance they get about "graphics! more power! graphics! more power!..etc.

I am going to enjoy these peace and quiet. than you Sony, thank you PS3, and thank youKuturagi-san 8)

Yea, I see no point for graphics to go beyond what Vision Gran Turismo and Killzone 2 are offering. This is it, we are at where we wanted to be all along. I don't even care to push beyond this technologically because it would just be too freaking excessive!


As a side note, the PS3 Blu-ray drive is x6.
Do you have a link that says this? That's 40.5 MegaBytes per second or 324Megabits per second and those are some remarkable numbers.

[n1n9tean]

lord darkblade wrote:
As a side note, the PS3 Blu-ray drive is x6.

Do you have a link that says this? That's 40.5 MegaBytes per second or 324Megabits per second and those are some remarkable numbers.

I concur...the drive is 6x. I heard Kutaragi say it during the conference. It's probably written somewhere on a spec sheet also but thats where I first heard...from Kenny himself. 8)

[eggyoke]

I've also read numerous times throughout my frenzy of websurfing during the sony conference that the PS3 will use a 6x Blu-Ray drive. I'm sure someone on Beyond3d.com confirmed it! Bloody hope its true!

As I've said for a long time, one of the HUGE differences we'll see between the Xbox360 and PS3 will be the B-Ray vs DVD difference.

Can someone confim this please? Will the 360 be using regular dual-layer DVDs 9gb. OR will they be using HD-DVDs? its 30gb dual-layered right?

Xbox360
{ Duallayer DVD = 9gb }


PS3
{ Dual-layer Blu-Ray = 54gb }


Just look at the difference in that number!! Its crazy! Imagine what that could mean for PS3 games! I believe this will prove to be a major advantage over the Xbox360. PS3 games will have true depth and content!

Now imagine that extra space and the blu-ray drive at 6x speed! *faints*

Cant wait! :D

[pdc]

Do you have a link to this video? I have been trying to find it for awhile.

mms://a1286.m.akastream.net/7/1286/5372/1/gamespot.download.akamai.com/5372/netshow/gslive/2005/05/2stream_sonypress_e305_hi.wmv

A Windows Media stream so I hope you are on broadband :)
Go to about 50 mins into the video for the water/ducks demo.

[Goki]

I've also read numerous times throughout my frenzy of websurfing during the sony conference that the PS3 will use a 6x Blu-Ray drive. I'm sure someone on Beyond3d.com confirmed it! Bloody hope its true!

As I've said for a long time, one of the HUGE differences we'll see between the Xbox360 and PS3 will be the B-Ray vs DVD difference.

Can someone confim this please? Will the 360 be using regular dual-layer DVDs 9gb. OR will they be using HD-DVDs? its 30gb dual-layered right?

Xbox360
{ Duallayer DVD = 9gb }


PS3
{ Dual-layer Blu-Ray = 54gb }


Just look at the difference in that number!! Its crazy! Imagine what that could mean for PS3 games! I believe this will prove to be a major advantage over the Xbox360. PS3 games will have true depth and content!

Now imagine that extra space and the blu-ray drive at 6x speed! *faints*

Cant wait! :D


PS3= PS1 CD

360= N64 cartridge
:twisted:

[indiekid4]

Xbox 360 line up of game for launch and beyond.

Blue Dragon (Microsoft Game Studios, Mistwalker Inc.) from Hironobu Sakaguchi, original creator of the “FINAL FANTASY” series, is an epic role-playing game (RPG) featuring
the original artwork of Akira Toriyama, creator of the “Dragonball” series of manga and anime.

Call of Duty 2 (Activision Publishing Inc., Infinity Ward), the sequel to the 2003 Game of the Year, delivers a vivid portrayal of the chaos and cinematic intensity of World War II through stunningly detailed graphics, advanced artificial intelligence (AI) and explosive action.

Condemned: Criminal Origins (SEGA, Monolith Productions Inc.) is a first-person psychological thriller featuring photorealistic graphics, advanced enemy AI and a strong dose of atmospheric tension. The hunt for a notorious serial killer offers gamers combat and game environments that are unpredictable and terrifyingly real.

Dead or Alive 4 (Tecmo Inc., Team Ninja) will be the defining gaming experience on Xbox 360. It will encompass all that the next-generation console has to offer, giving players the most rewarding digital fighting experience to date on any video game console.

DEAD RISING (Working Title) (Capcom, Capcom) follows the harrowing tale of an overzealous freelance photojournalist as he struggles to survive an endless stream of zombies. Players will have full reign of a realistic shopping center, utilizing anything they find to fight off the flesh-hungry mob and search for the truth behind the horrendous epidemic.

The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion (Bethesda Softworks/2K Games, Bethseda Game Studios) is a quintessential role-playing game for the next generation and another leap forward in gaming. Oblivion is the latest chapter in the epic and highly successful “Elder Scrolls” saga and utilizes next-generation video game hardware to fully immerse players in the experience.

Full Auto (SEGA, Pseudo Interactive Inc.) redefines combat racing with physics technology that enables bigger crashes and the most destructive play experience ever captured in the racing genre. Amazingly detailed vehicles race through packed city streets with guns blazing, laying spectacular waste to other vehicles and buildings that get in their way.

Gears of War (Microsoft Game Studios, Epic Games Inc.) blends the best of tactical action games with the best of survival horror titles, thrusting gamers into the harrowing story of humankind’s battle for survival against the Locust Horde, creating cinematic, high-definition visuals so intense and powerful, it feels like the gamers are controlling a blockbuster action movie.

Kameo: Elements of Power (Microsoft Game Studios, Rare Ltd.) is an action-adventure game with role-playing elements for gamers of all ages and skill levels. From legendary game developer Rare, Kameo: Elements of Power sends players on a magical and epic journey full of intense combat, magnificent exploration and innovative morph-into-warrior action.

Lost Odyssey (Microsoft Game Studios, Mistwalker), is a truly next-generation RPG created by acclaimed artists Takehiko Inoue (Japanese manga creator, made famous by Slam Dunk), Kiyoshi Shigematsu (a famous Japanese novelist) and Nobuo Uematsu (Japanese music composer, known for creating the music for the FINAL FANTASY series of games). The game is produced by Hironobu Sakaguchi, creator of the original FINAL FANTASY series.

NINETY-NINE NIGHTS (Microsoft Game Studios, Q Entertainment/Phantagram Ltd.) is a brand-new fantasy action game by Tetsuya Mizuguchi, known as the creator of Space Channel 5, Rez and the recent LUMINES, developed in collaboration with the renowned Korean developer Phantagram.

The Outfit (THQ Inc., Relic Entertainment) takes explosive World War II combat to the next generation in an all-new, third-person action game. Combining intense squad-based combat and easy-to-use strategic gameplay elements, The Outfit takes players behind enemy lines, battling the Nazi war machine through a variety of combat missions.

Perfect Dark: Zero (Microsoft Game Studios, Rare) is the prequel to the hugely popular and critically acclaimed Perfect Dark. Set in the year 2020 — years before the original hit game — Perfect Dark: Zero reveals the origins of Joanna Dark, one of the most lethal special agents.

Project Gotham Racing 3 (Microsoft Game Studios, Bizarre Creations Ltd.) is the latest entry in the award-winning Project Gotham Racing franchise and expands on the features and gameplay that race fans have grown to know and love. PGR™ 3 enables gamers to create the ultimate roster of the hottest supercars in existence, introduces them to the high-definition era and drops them into a completely new racing world where style rules the road.

QUAKE 4 (Activision, id Software and Raven Software) is the sequel to the award-winning and historic QUAKE II. In a war for Earth’s survival against an unrelenting enemy, the only way to defeat them is to become one of them.

Saint’s Row (THQ, Volition Inc.) harnesses the power of the Xbox 360 platform to combine compelling, cinematic storytelling with unprecedented customization. Ushering in the next evolution of open-world gameplay, Saint’s Row watches players rise from thug to kingpin in a robust, nonlinear environment that reacts and adapts to their every move. Saint’s Row features both single-player and online multiplayer modes.

Test Drive Unlimited (Atari, Eden Games) is the ultimate automotive experience for car and bike enthusiasts alike. Test Drive Unlimited challenges players online to experience the most exotic and fastest vehicles on more than 1,000 miles of diverse Hawaiian roads.


Xbox Live: A 2-Million-Member Movement and Rapidly Expanding

By the end of June, Xbox Live — where games, entertainment and community come alive — will surpass the 2-million-member mark, a doubling of the community in just the past year. Adding fuel to its relentless ascension, this holiday season Xbox Live will have more than 300 multiplayer games available, with new titles such as Tony Hawk’s American Wasteland™ (Activision), Star Wars Battlefront™ II (LucasArts) and Burnout™ Revenge (Electronic Arts) for Xbox, and PGR 3 (Microsoft Game Studios), Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts) and Call of Duty 2 (Activision) for Xbox 360.

Xbox Live memberships will transfer seamlessly from Xbox to Xbox 360 when the new system launches.
More exponential growth is on the horizon, because a Silver level of Xbox Live service will be available at no extra cost to Xbox 360 players who choose a broadband connection for their system. With the Silver level of service, gamers immediately access the Xbox Live Marketplace to download demos and trailers along with new game levels, maps, weapons, vehicles, skins, classic arcade games, card and board games, community-created content, and more to the detachable Xbox 360 hard drive. Players can also voice chat with friends, and send and receive text and voice messages.

In addition, Xbox 360 owners new to Xbox Live will kick-start their experience with a free month of the full subscription service, or Gold level, which will allow them to enjoy the full power of the service, including online multiplayer gaming, online tournaments and exclusive, original programming. Special features available to Gold subscribers only also include Spectator Mode, which will supercharge the entire Xbox Live game experience. For example, in PGR 3, gamers can watch any of their friends and the world’s top players on live spectator feeds, get live ticker-tape information when friends break records, and compete with anyone, anywhere, anytime. Through riveting games and new community features, Microsoft expects to connect half of all Xbox 360 consoles to Xbox Live.

“With new levels of service and new features like Gamer Profiles, Xbox Live Marketplace, spectator mode and video chat inspiring new ideas and audiences, Xbox 360 has us re-imagining the future of online games,” said Laurent Detoc, executive director of Ubisoft North America. “Every great game in the next generation will be a great online game. Gamers can count on Ubisoft to push the possibilities of Xbox Live to the very edge.”


PS3 annouced line up for launch and beyond

Tekken 6 -- Namco.

Killzone 2 -- Guerilla

Vision Gran Turismo aka GT5 -- Polyphony Digital

Formula One -- Sony Liverpool

Untitled Old West Game -- Rockstar

Oh-Ni -- Koei

Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam World -- Bandai

Devil May Cry 4 -- Capcom

Super Gory Wolfenstein Style FPS -- Insomniac

Metal Gear Solid 4 -- Konami

EYEdentify Voice Recognition Game -- SCEA

Fifth Phantom Saga -- Sega

Heavenly Sword -- Sony

Warhawk -- Incognito

Killing Day -- Ubisoft

Motor Storm -- Evolution


SO far xbox 360 seem to have a better set of games in development, they may not have a tekken or mgs 4, but they are trying to bring fresh games, unlike sony who will have the monster system, and rely on pass hits, I will own all 3 next gen system, but I am not happy with sony and they constant sequels.

you have to realize that the x360 had its dev kits out a long time before PS3 had theres out. So, developers had more time in developing games for the X360. I am sure by the time PS3 comes out there will be plenty more original games.

[indiekid4]

xbox is mediocre while playstation 3 is simply best game system ever


This is why I hate fanboys, this forums have some of the dumbest people I have ever came cross in a online forum.

actually i disagree with you... i have been a member for 2 1/2 years and I have learned more about gaming and hardware/software on this forum then I ever did at class...you are just a xbox fanboy who is upset that your silly 360 is actually a xbox 1.5......

[GTX_Fusion]

ATTA BOY!! SHOW EM X-BOX FANBOYS!!!!!! EVERYONE CHANT, PS3, PS3 PS3 PS3 PS3...LOL

[Rallyracr420]

To rally racer:

Microsoft windows isnt in direct competition with Sony , unlike the Xbox360 which is. It wouldnt look good for Microsoft to use technology for a product that is in direct competition with the makers of that specific technology. Even Sony uses Microsft technology and software for their hardware, like Vaio's But 360 and PS3 are a totally diffrent matter, The 2 products are in a specific type of genre, and are in direct competition, openly to the public.

My point was that MS has stated publicly that they want to make a universal gaming controller. If they use simple RF then every computer is going to need a separate RF receiver PLUS a Bluetooth receiver for their home gadgets. This is just plain retarded and definitely not universal.

Also Microsoft, despite having many divisions, is still one company. MS supports BlueTooth through software and hardware, and just because they have one division that happens to make one product that competes with Sony, it doesn't make sense to not use Bluetooth for this reason. If anything they excluded it to keep costs lower and not because it wouldn't make them look good. Using Bluetooth would make them look good because its a well established wireless networking protocol, albeit a more expensive one.

[rev>thanu]

Xbox 360 line up of game for launch and beyond.

Blue Dragon (Microsoft Game Studios, Mistwalker Inc.) from Hironobu Sakaguchi, original creator of the “FINAL FANTASY” series, is an epic role-playing game (RPG) featuring
the original artwork of Akira Toriyama, creator of the “Dragonball” series of manga and anime.

Call of Duty 2 (Activision Publishing Inc., Infinity Ward), the sequel to the 2003 Game of the Year, delivers a vivid portrayal of the chaos and cinematic intensity of World War II through stunningly detailed graphics, advanced artificial intelligence (AI) and explosive action.

Condemned: Criminal Origins (SEGA, Monolith Productions Inc.) is a first-person psychological thriller featuring photorealistic graphics, advanced enemy AI and a strong dose of atmospheric tension. The hunt for a notorious serial killer offers gamers combat and game environments that are unpredictable and terrifyingly real.

Dead or Alive 4 (Tecmo Inc., Team Ninja) will be the defining gaming experience on Xbox 360. It will encompass all that the next-generation console has to offer, giving players the most rewarding digital fighting experience to date on any video game console.

DEAD RISING (Working Title) (Capcom, Capcom) follows the harrowing tale of an overzealous freelance photojournalist as he struggles to survive an endless stream of zombies. Players will have full reign of a realistic shopping center, utilizing anything they find to fight off the flesh-hungry mob and search for the truth behind the horrendous epidemic.

The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion (Bethesda Softworks/2K Games, Bethseda Game Studios) is a quintessential role-playing game for the next generation and another leap forward in gaming. Oblivion is the latest chapter in the epic and highly successful “Elder Scrolls” saga and utilizes next-generation video game hardware to fully immerse players in the experience.

Full Auto (SEGA, Pseudo Interactive Inc.) redefines combat racing with physics technology that enables bigger crashes and the most destructive play experience ever captured in the racing genre. Amazingly detailed vehicles race through packed city streets with guns blazing, laying spectacular waste to other vehicles and buildings that get in their way.

Gears of War (Microsoft Game Studios, Epic Games Inc.) blends the best of tactical action games with the best of survival horror titles, thrusting gamers into the harrowing story of humankind’s battle for survival against the Locust Horde, creating cinematic, high-definition visuals so intense and powerful, it feels like the gamers are controlling a blockbuster action movie.

Kameo: Elements of Power (Microsoft Game Studios, Rare Ltd.) is an action-adventure game with role-playing elements for gamers of all ages and skill levels. From legendary game developer Rare, Kameo: Elements of Power sends players on a magical and epic journey full of intense combat, magnificent exploration and innovative morph-into-warrior action.

Lost Odyssey (Microsoft Game Studios, Mistwalker), is a truly next-generation RPG created by acclaimed artists Takehiko Inoue (Japanese manga creator, made famous by Slam Dunk), Kiyoshi Shigematsu (a famous Japanese novelist) and Nobuo Uematsu (Japanese music composer, known for creating the music for the FINAL FANTASY series of games). The game is produced by Hironobu Sakaguchi, creator of the original FINAL FANTASY series.

NINETY-NINE NIGHTS (Microsoft Game Studios, Q Entertainment/Phantagram Ltd.) is a brand-new fantasy action game by Tetsuya Mizuguchi, known as the creator of Space Channel 5, Rez and the recent LUMINES, developed in collaboration with the renowned Korean developer Phantagram.

The Outfit (THQ Inc., Relic Entertainment) takes explosive World War II combat to the next generation in an all-new, third-person action game. Combining intense squad-based combat and easy-to-use strategic gameplay elements, The Outfit takes players behind enemy lines, battling the Nazi war machine through a variety of combat missions.

Perfect Dark: Zero (Microsoft Game Studios, Rare) is the prequel to the hugely popular and critically acclaimed Perfect Dark. Set in the year 2020 — years before the original hit game — Perfect Dark: Zero reveals the origins of Joanna Dark, one of the most lethal special agents.

Project Gotham Racing 3 (Microsoft Game Studios, Bizarre Creations Ltd.) is the latest entry in the award-winning Project Gotham Racing franchise and expands on the features and gameplay that race fans have grown to know and love. PGR™ 3 enables gamers to create the ultimate roster of the hottest supercars in existence, introduces them to the high-definition era and drops them into a completely new racing world where style rules the road.

QUAKE 4 (Activision, id Software and Raven Software) is the sequel to the award-winning and historic QUAKE II. In a war for Earth’s survival against an unrelenting enemy, the only way to defeat them is to become one of them.

Saint’s Row (THQ, Volition Inc.) harnesses the power of the Xbox 360 platform to combine compelling, cinematic storytelling with unprecedented customization. Ushering in the next evolution of open-world gameplay, Saint’s Row watches players rise from thug to kingpin in a robust, nonlinear environment that reacts and adapts to their every move. Saint’s Row features both single-player and online multiplayer modes.

Test Drive Unlimited (Atari, Eden Games) is the ultimate automotive experience for car and bike enthusiasts alike. Test Drive Unlimited challenges players online to experience the most exotic and fastest vehicles on more than 1,000 miles of diverse Hawaiian roads.


Xbox Live: A 2-Million-Member Movement and Rapidly Expanding

By the end of June, Xbox Live — where games, entertainment and community come alive — will surpass the 2-million-member mark, a doubling of the community in just the past year. Adding fuel to its relentless ascension, this holiday season Xbox Live will have more than 300 multiplayer games available, with new titles such as Tony Hawk’s American Wasteland™ (Activision), Star Wars Battlefront™ II (LucasArts) and Burnout™ Revenge (Electronic Arts) for Xbox, and PGR 3 (Microsoft Game Studios), Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts) and Call of Duty 2 (Activision) for Xbox 360.

Xbox Live memberships will transfer seamlessly from Xbox to Xbox 360 when the new system launches.
More exponential growth is on the horizon, because a Silver level of Xbox Live service will be available at no extra cost to Xbox 360 players who choose a broadband connection for their system. With the Silver level of service, gamers immediately access the Xbox Live Marketplace to download demos and trailers along with new game levels, maps, weapons, vehicles, skins, classic arcade games, card and board games, community-created content, and more to the detachable Xbox 360 hard drive. Players can also voice chat with friends, and send and receive text and voice messages.

In addition, Xbox 360 owners new to Xbox Live will kick-start their experience with a free month of the full subscription service, or Gold level, which will allow them to enjoy the full power of the service, including online multiplayer gaming, online tournaments and exclusive, original programming. Special features available to Gold subscribers only also include Spectator Mode, which will supercharge the entire Xbox Live game experience. For example, in PGR 3, gamers can watch any of their friends and the world’s top players on live spectator feeds, get live ticker-tape information when friends break records, and compete with anyone, anywhere, anytime. Through riveting games and new community features, Microsoft expects to connect half of all Xbox 360 consoles to Xbox Live.

“With new levels of service and new features like Gamer Profiles, Xbox Live Marketplace, spectator mode and video chat inspiring new ideas and audiences, Xbox 360 has us re-imagining the future of online games,” said Laurent Detoc, executive director of Ubisoft North America. “Every great game in the next generation will be a great online game. Gamers can count on Ubisoft to push the possibilities of Xbox Live to the very edge.”


PS3 annouced line up for launch and beyond

Tekken 6 -- Namco.

Killzone 2 -- Guerilla

Vision Gran Turismo aka GT5 -- Polyphony Digital

Formula One -- Sony Liverpool

Untitled Old West Game -- Rockstar

Oh-Ni -- Koei

Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam World -- Bandai

Devil May Cry 4 -- Capcom

Super Gory Wolfenstein Style FPS -- Insomniac

Metal Gear Solid 4 -- Konami

EYEdentify Voice Recognition Game -- SCEA

Fifth Phantom Saga -- Sega

Heavenly Sword -- Sony

Warhawk -- Incognito

Killing Day -- Ubisoft

Motor Storm -- Evolution


SO far xbox 360 seem to have a better set of games in development, they may not have a tekken or mgs 4, but they are trying to bring fresh games, unlike sony who will have the monster system, and rely on pass hits, I will own all 3 next gen system, but I am not happy with sony and they constant sequels.

WTF are you talking about :?: . are you lost or something?, first of heavenly sword, EYEdentify, killing day, I-8( The Super Gory Wolfenstein games as you call it), Oh-Ni and a bunch of games you mentioned there are all brand new or revamped titles. Now i don't know what you mean about Sony relying on too many sequels because is the most riddiculous thing i've heard of. Consoles drive on sequels and fresh new ideas as well but mostly gamers want to see their old time favorites make a come back. Also i don't recall sony even mentioning an official ps3 line up of launch titles. Also if you think that xbox 360 is the only console bringing new content into play then look again. those titles i mentioned are fresh new titles and i don't even think that's the full line up for the ps3 launch.

I don't recall Xbox 360 having all new titles. let's see

Call of Duty 2 is a sequel
Dead or Alive 4 which i do recall tecmo releasing all of them on xbox
The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
Project Gotham Racing 3
Test Drive Unlimited
Quake 4
Perfect Dark: Zero

these are all sequels so i don't recall xbox having alot of fresh titles on their launch line up. So please don't complain i'm more than glad that at least i'm going to see sequels to my favorite titles of all time. anyways don't complain and be happy that the next gen consoles are here. it's time for change and were getting change. i for one will only buy ps3 this time around and if you are an xbox fan or fanboy don't bash or hate the ps3 because is more powerfull and faster this time. why am i only buying ps3, it's obvious this time that after i bought an xbox i never liked any of it's AAA titles non of them except for the tecmo ones which were more of my taste. I also bought it because of the hype of graphics and marketing scheme microsoft had build for the console. after seeing the darn thing with my eyes i knew that the power difference between xbox and ps2 were so small that there not even worth mentioning. after i realize those things i figured that i really don't need the next xbox and since ps3 will be 2 times more powerfull (which says alot). id rather get that and know that my favorite games will make a come back and impress the crap out of me with all their new content and graphics.

[raVen]

Also a lot of those xbox 360 will be on ps3 too, Ps3 lineups are still a couple months away from coming out be patient the initial lineup I think kills the xbox exclusives. Just looking at the developers and rumors that we've heard and such, from that list we'll probably get: (we'll all get all since I'm getting either a 360 or revolution to go with my Ps3)

Quake 4
The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
Dead or Alive 4 (since ps3 is the most powerful console)
Call of Duty 2
Condemned
Dead Rising
Dark Sector

[FerrianX]

Just looking at the developers and rumors that we've heard and such, from that list we'll probably get: (we'll all get all since I'm getting either a 360 or revolution to go with my Ps3)

You'll get your money's worth out of Revolution, backwards compatibility with GameCube games... and who can say "no" to games like Metroid, Zelda, and Mario. These games alone say 'buy me now... or forever regret it'.

Right now I only see 1 game on Xbox 360 that's worth getting, and that's Lost Odessey (damn that game just looks too sweet)... but I'll need more then that from 360 to get my purchase!

[OzzysCross101]

I'm sorry but I myself don't care about aliasing. I think antialiasing is a waste of resources when the screen is 1080.

I completely agree 110% . With every other advancement the PS3 has over 360, aliasing is basicially not needed. 1080p and more VRAm (not to mention the Cell and GPU themselves) are overwheaming. There will be no need for aliasing.

[jumbo]

You be the judge!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/jumbo11/sh3gf.jpg

[FerrianX]

You be the judge!

Hahaha that's classic, good one jumbo I highly approve :lol:

While there is a difference in image quality (360 is obviously more refined) it's not that far off from the Ps2 Silent Hill capture... I really like this example of proving how much of an Xbox1.5 M$'s system truly is.

[Brandon]

The Xbox 360 trailer for that game puts Silent Hill to shame. They are very far apart.

[makeitlookreal]

The truth of the matter is that both the XBox 360 and PS3 are not nearly what we expected.

The XBox 360 in my opinion is not powerful enough to be nextgen and the PS3 is better, but crippled by the inclusion of a very low clocked single cell chip. If Sony had *really* wanted to be the competition into the ground they should have included at *minimum* two cell chips. The Broad Band engine (four cell chips) had the ability to be truly nextgen and do amazing things. However, we are reduced to one crippled cell chip.

I am totally perplexed as to why Sony decided to to make their own system go from awsome to at most twice as powerful as the XBox 360.

[FerrianX]

The truth of the matter is that both the XBox 360 and PS3 are not nearly what we expected.

The XBox 360 in my opinion is not powerful enough to be nextgen and the PS3 is better, but crippled by the inclusion of a very low clocked single cell chip. If Sony had *really* wanted to be the competition into the ground they should have included at *minimum* two cell chips. The Broad Band engine (four cell chips) had the ability to be truly nextgen and do amazing things. However, we are reduced to one crippled cell chip.

I am totally perplexed as to why Sony decided to to make their own system go from awsome to at most twice as powerful as the XBox 360.

One word... "money"

It costs money to put another Cell into the Ps3... it costs money in R&D for developers to make proper use of that power... at the end of the day consumers want the best, but don't want to pay for it.

You should be thrilled that it only took 1 crippled cell chip to completely crush M$.

[Danji]

This again? Jesus.

Look, the cost of 2 cells would drive up costs and each wouldn't have as nearly as a positive effect as the last. They would end up costing too much.

If you would stop freaking out about it not being a 16-spe or 32-spe setup you would looking at the pictures of the games they have shown (most importantly Killzone) and would see that those are indeed next gen worthy.

http://www.gameraddicts.com/forums/files/killzone_02_880.jpg
How can you say "No!" to a face like that?

[KKS]

maybe multiple cells at higher clock rates would've been an overkill for the system considering the power of the GPU, RAM etc. Whats the point of spending much money on a component if it will be limited by bandwidth and other factors in the system? plz note I can turn anything that appears to be negative point in to a positive one being a PS fanboy and all. :oops:

[Danji]

You wouldn't want to pay $600 for the PS3 anyways so stop yer bitchin. There's no way they could make the PS3 in present day with a BBE and the RSX in it with all the other shit you'd want for UNDER $600.

[rev>thanu]

i agree and disagree with brandon. first off the godfather image does kill the silent hill 3 image (which might i add is a low res image). But i disagree with brandon because in an aspect ratio that's really awsome graphics coming out of ps2 and of course xbox 360 was bound to kill it.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2002/vgnews/092302/silenthill3/sh3_screen006.jpg

the god father image still looks better of course but this doesn't look like it's miles away.

[Danji]

I'm sure if the PS2 would run a game at higher resolutions with no drawbacks then it would just as good as Xbox 360 in some aspects (tekken5, Dynasty Warriors 5, Killzone).

[Brandon]

Silent Hill is still one of the best looking game series on PS2. It's just, when you see the two games in motion, the differences become quite apparent.

[FLCL]

The truth of the matter is that both the XBox 360 and PS3 are not nearly what we expected.

The XBox 360 in my opinion is not powerful enough to be nextgen and the PS3 is better, but crippled by the inclusion of a very low clocked single cell chip. If Sony had *really* wanted to be the competition into the ground they should have included at *minimum* two cell chips. The Broad Band engine (four cell chips) had the ability to be truly nextgen and do amazing things. However, we are reduced to one crippled cell chip.

I am totally perplexed as to why Sony decided to to make their own system go from awsome to at most twice as powerful as the XBox 360.

One word... "money"

It costs money to put another Cell into the Ps3... it costs money in R&D for developers to make proper use of that power... at the end of the day consumers want the best, but don't want to pay for it.

You should be thrilled that it only took 1 crippled cell chip to completely crush M$.

Why is everyone forgetting about the RSX chip, originally Sony wanted to rely on the cells to produce all the graphics like the broadband engine, but then they didn’t want to face the same difficulties like with the ps2 GS, this is why they contacted Nvidia, current pc games like doom3 rely mostly on the GPU to produce its graphics, the RSX chip is a next-gen GPU costing millions to develop for the cell

With the ps3 we have a nextgen GPU+Cell using mature Opengl+Nvidia(CG) languages all working together to produce those awesome graphics we saw

Checkout the unreal makers' opinion:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615178p1.html

xbox360:
- 9 billion dot product operations per second
- 48 billion shader operations per second
- combined performance: 1 TFLOP

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/Playstation3/E3PressConference/rsxbandwidth.jpg

[Mordecaii]

"Xenon", which has ATI produced the graphics at its core, have made suggestions like "The shader core has 48 Arithmetic Logic Units (ALUs) that can execute 64 simultaneous threads on groups of 64 vertices or pixels. ALUs are automatically and dynamically assigned to either pixel or vertex processing depending on load."

http://www.beyond3d.com/

Does this mean that the 360 will be able to do 64 shader ops per cycle? Also, is this directly comparable to the PS3 being able to do 136 shader ops per cycle? I'd really like it if someone a bit more informed than myself (aka cpiasminc) could answer this as I don't know whether the statement above translates into them saying the 360's GPU can do 64 shader ops per cycle or something else. :)

[FerrianX]

Why is everyone forgetting about the RSX chip, originally Sony wanted to rely on the cells to produce all the graphics like the broadband engine, but then they didn’t want to face the same difficulties like with the ps2 GS, this is why they contacted Nvidia, current pc games like doom3 rely mostly on the GPU to produce its graphics, the RSX chip is a next-gen GPU costing millions to develop for the cell

With the ps3 we have a nextgen GPU+Cell using mature Opengl+Nvidia(CG) languages all working together to produce those awesome graphics we saw

No one is forgetting the RSX chip, just that the question posed was directed only towards the Cell (or lack thereof in the Ps3).

nVidia has pulled off a tremendous accomplishment and by no means is anyone trying to take anything away from them. I honestly had my doubts about nVidia working on this project, but I'm over joyed to see they pulled it off so well.

[Rallyracr420]

The more I've been looking at the situation, the more I'm realizing that the X360, Revolution, and the PS3 are simply shooting for different markets. The only thing they have in common is that they have to compete for the dollar (or yen, or pound) of the majority of the population that can only afford one console.

But games on the XBox, PS2, and GC were often just ports of one another with the same goals in mind: The ultimate goal of each game was to have a good single player experience and a good multiplayer experience in one box. Most games could deliver really well in one aspect or the other (single vs multi player) but very few games would dominate in both. For this reason all three consoles of this generation pretty much duplicated the capabilities of one another, leaving the consumer to pick their favorite console based on brand name recognition (Nintendo and Sony) or on console power (XBox).

The next gen race will be entirely different because the 3 primary players are shooting for different markets.

--PS3--
Focus: best looking games
Console Power: most powerful hardware
Price: expensive components will come with a hefty price
Online Capabilities: they will be there but there's no way they can compete with the experience of 2 generations of XBoxLive

--XBox360--
Focus: online gameplay
Console Power: medium power
Price: cheaper than PS3, more than Revolution
Online Capabilities: experience is the ultimate teacher, and online play is the name of X360's game

--Revolution--
Focus: pure innovation
Console Power: low power
Price: cheapest of all the systems by far
Online Capabilities: the online experience will be there but N's more worried about creating original gameplay ideas than they are about creating an online community


Its awesome we have Sony to push the technologial envelope.
Its awesome all the ideas MS has for XBoxLive and online play.
Its awesome that Nintendo keeps looking to create new ways to play games.

3 good systems, 3 different focuses, alot of money to spend but you're going to want them all

[klaymen]

i think it is pointless to try to compare the hardware of each console. They are just made too differently. What we really need to be looking at is what they produce (graphics, physics, etc.).

on a side note, have there been any videos from the revolution?

[FerrianX]

i think it is pointless to try to compare the hardware of each console. They are just made too differently. What we really need to be looking at is what they produce (graphics, physics, etc.).

on a side note, have there been any videos from the revolution?

Graphics / Physics / etc... aren't the only thing in games... I can go back and pick up Streets of Rage and have just as much fun (if not more) with it then I would lets say playing a more current game. Graphics aren't everything, it's also the gameplay... while graphics / physics / etc play a role, there are alot more things to factor in.

As for The Big N's Revolution I haven't seen anything yet... I hope they pull something out before E3 ends.

[iwantitnow]

ps2 allday long

[rekkit]

I have a bad feeling elder scrolls has been made a 360 exclusive console wise, some of the gamming sites has it as cancelled for the ps3. I can see a lot of people buying a 360 rather than spending twice as much beefing up there pc to play most of these pc/box cross-over exclusives.

[O.D.S]

ok guys, not sure if this was posted before but it is interesting
(especially if the rumour that XBOX360 ran at 1/3rd power at E3 :!: ) :roll:

heres a quote from a high ranked MS guy:
Steve Ballmer," I won’t hypothesize on how we get there. I just think it’s just wrong-minded to think that somehow we’d go a whole generation without this. We’re not going to be sitting here five years saying, “Oh jeez, we don’t have HD DVD-type storage.” But we’re going to out perform Sony in a lot of things. We’re faster on integer than they are, they’re faster on floating point than we are. To sit there and just take a look and say “Well, they’re just faster…” Well, we’ve got three cores, they’ve got one core. Actually, we were pleasantly surprised by what they announced. They’re later, and yet we think we’re going to outperform them on a bunch of stuff. We think we’ve got better balanced system performance than they do. Now, when you’re the second guy of course you’re going to be faster. We sit there and say “There are some things [on the PS3] that are faster… [whispers] but there are some things we’re faster on, too.”

now dont flame me :!: , i just wanted to show you guys the way MS sees things right now (i do agree with SOME of his points though)