PS3 Controller

[Rallyracr420]

Looking at it, it looks very good. I'm just wondering how it would actually feel though. Has Sony confirmed that they will be keeping with the design of the Dual shock/2?

They'd have to if they want to keep their system backwards compatible with PS1/PS2. Plus its the most favored controller design out of the three consoles...why mess with a winning formula?

[Z]

In the latest issue of PSM, they claim to have an inside source saying that Sony will actually change the controller: “there seems to be an attitude at Sony that the controller needs some additional features to compliment the new features of the PS3.”
I still expect it to generally resemble the conventional controller- as apose of a total change like N’s N64 and GC.

[Voodoo]

actually,if it is wireless, there wont be backwards capabilities...

[Sephiroth_VII]

I don't know if this has been said(Don't have time to look through 17+ pages), but what about doing the reset, and push out buttons for the controller(If there will be some)like the PSP's.
Explanation: If you press the release/push out button a screen will pop up, asking you if you will confirm the order.
Then, if you hit it by mistake, you would just press the O buttonm, and return to the game in pause mode.
Same for the shut down button

EDIT: someone here proposed that the memory card slot might be in the controller.
Now that is smart!!
If you used the memstick pro duo, you could even use the PSP as memory card, and controller.Then you could play a game with the PSP(Perhaps with an add on, supporting you with the new buttons) :D .
What do you think??? :?: :?:

[Voodoo]

naw, i dont think that would work. For the power button, there should just be a lock for it (like mp3 players)
and why did u say press the O button, why not trianlge?

[appletree]

All that work making mockups and buddy forgot to move the left thumbstick top left and the d-pad bottom left.

Other than that it's great. Buttons and triggers is key.

And I assume that the thumbsticks will be more like xbox or the cube's rather than the current mushroom shaped disasters.

[Voodoo]

no way that could work. the dualshock if perfect with the two analog sticks at thr same place. Its too confusing to have one one high than the other...and its too X-Boxyish

[Omega Blue]

no way that could work. the dualshock if perfect with the two analog sticks at thr same place. Its too confusing to have one one high than the other...and its too X-Boxyish

oh yah like totally like no way like completely like rad confusing d00dz...yup...if your...



....retarded....



:roll:

[Voodoo]

heh, your pretty funny
let me tell you

what im saying is that its easier if they keep them where they are.
and what i meant by confusing was that it would take time to get used to, and it would be harder...

[nesman]

The DualShock controllers are perfect. I don't see the need for a new controller.

[Rallyracr420]

The DualShock controllers are perfect. I don't see the need for a new controller.

Perfection + Wireless = DualShock3

[Voodoo]

it wont be a new controller, it would be an IMPROVED controller

[Overload]

Is the rumble feature in games still effective, I feel it but its just not the same since I first set my hands on the dual shock2 for the first time(guess im too used to it..). Is this the same for anyone else or does it shock(<--is that a pun) you each time you play the system.
Also they should eliminate that stupid analoge on/off switch at the bottom and find something more usefull in its place.

[5ysT3m cR45h3r]

Is the rumble feature in games still effective, I feel it but its just not the same since I first set my hands on the dual shock2 for the first time(guess im too used to it..). Is this the same for anyone else or does it shock(<--is that a pun) you each time you play the system.
Also they should eliminate that stupid analoge on/off switch at the bottom and find something more usefull in its place.

For me it still plays a good role in the feel of a game. Like in WWE Smackdown! VS Raw, it rumbles when you hit your opponent. It makes it feel more solid and energetic.

[Omega Blue]

it wont be a new controller, it would be an IMPROVED controller

People take heed, great use of words.

Perfection + Improved = Godlike.

[Matt]

Give it a rest Omega.....

[SolidSnake05]

i think the controllers should have a same design but make the middle a little fatter for there can be a slot for a memory card like the xbox controller.2nd make the controllers wireless there for the ps3 console wont have a controller or a memory card slot and make the ps3 to have a unigue design.3rd since the ps3 would have a unigue deesign and have no slots it will make it pretty hard to play a mulitplayer game but i think the ps3 should have 2 wireless ps3 controller recievers built in the inside that can let up to 4 controllers link to 1 receiver letting up to 8 controllers play on a ps3.now the 2nd and 3rd idea seems pretty out there but its just a idea i had.

[5ysT3m cR45h3r]

This ideas just keep on comin.

[Cutman3030]

Do we know how many controller ports will be on the PS3?

[Domination]

Has anyone seen this before:

http://www.radicauk.com/images/product/rc74160.jpg

I think it's a great design for those picky left handed players or players, in general. The tension can also be adjusted on the analog sticks. :o It could pose something new for next-gen, maybe.

[amod20002004]

I am little bit confused here. Image, which has been provided by you, is showing duleshock2 and 1 format buttons while title on the controller says ‘revolution’, What is this? :?

[night rider]

I think the controller is good, and not much to be changed, but maybe hand cooling things and minor changes like that. also, I do like the Idea of having the ability to use your PSP as a controller, that would be awesome.

[The_One]

Has anyone seen this before:

http://www.radicauk.com/images/product/rc74160.jpg

I think it's a great design for those picky left handed players or players, in general. The tension can also be adjusted on the analog sticks. :o It could pose something new for next-gen, maybe. Tension adjustment! Just what I need (I always thought the PS2 analog sticks were too... "weak"?)

[Domination]

I am little bit confused here. Image, which has been provided by you, is showing duleshock2 and 1 format buttons while title on the controller says ‘revolution’, What is this? :?

Amod, the controller is for the PS2 (not Nintendo), but I was thinking that maybe it could inspire a few developers.

[amod20002004]

Has anyone seen this before:

http://www.radicauk.com/images/product/rc74160.jpg

I think it's a great design for those picky left handed players or players, in general. The tension can also be adjusted on the analog sticks. :o It could pose something new for next-gen, maybe. Tension adjustment! Just what I need (I always thought the PS2 analog sticks were too... "weak"?)
Come-on man, I have never found any problem in my controller’s analog sticks. They are fine.

[ZipZapPro]

Just an idea...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/FlyersPh9/Random/controller.jpg
Has 2 new buttons on front. A Playstation button (inbetween the X, O, Triangle, and []) and a OFF button (Inbetween START and SELECT). The light is Red instead of blue, it has a box to send the signal, 2 trigger buttons INSTEAD of L2 and R2. Also, left analog is switched. Lastly, it has Dualshock 3 which should have an adjustment on how strong it is.

If you didn't notice, it is more squished inward ---> <---

[The_One]

Just an idea...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/FlyersPh9/Random/controller.jpg
Has 2 new buttons on front. A Playstation button (inbetween the X, O, Triangle, and []) and a OFF button (Inbetween START and SELECT). The light is Red instead of blue, it has a box to send the signal, 2 trigger buttons INSTEAD of L2 and R2. Also, left analog is switched. Lastly, it has Dualshock 3 which should have an adjustment on how strong it is.

If you didn't notice, it is more squished inward ---> <--- No way... I hate the XBox Controller style Analog controls... On up on down, what's up with that? It feels weird IMO XD. And I think most PS owners would not be pleased by this kind of drastic controller change.
Come-on man, I have never found any problem in my controller’s analog sticks. They are fine. There's no problem, but I think it would be a bit better if the analog sticks were a bit tighter.

[Z]

If you use all shoulder buttons simultaneously (as some games require) you find it a bit uncomfortable. The adjustments I always wanted to lower the shoulder buttons' position and tilt it a bit in wards. That way it will be more comfortable to access all four at the same time.

[Rallyracr420]

Has anyone seen this before:

http://www.radicauk.com/images/product/rc74160.jpg

I think it's a great design for those picky left handed players or players, in general. The tension can also be adjusted on the analog sticks. :o It could pose something new for next-gen, maybe.

This is fuggin awesome. Are these available right now?

[KiLLA2006]

I agree with keeping the analogs and only moving the shoulder buttons but for ultimate comfortability put the creases in the L2 R2 buttons so you still feel like you have control over the controller...

[Bad_Intentions]

There's really no needed improvement to the controller, it's fine the way it is.

[Z]

The controller HAS to change to accommodate for PS3's new features according to a PSM interview. We are trying to figure out how much will it change. And if you think they guys that invented the world's best controller from the beginning will ruin it now, think again.

[Lord Darkblade]

Pair of triggers in the handles... adding removable things is bad, had a controller which had changeable pads (analog sticks and D-pad) and it stank so bad... and then broke.

[amod20002004]

The controller HAS to change to accommodate for PS3's new features according to a PSM interview. We are trying to figure out how much will it change. And if you think they guys that invented the world's best controller from the beginning will ruin it now, think again.
What kind of new feature you are talking about. Please explain it to us. :)

[Z]

In the PSM interview, it was mentioned that Dual Shock 2 has to change to accommodate for the new features. That was it, I'm afraid. Who knows what Sony is planning? They have some pretty crazy dudes there.

I think I posted that part of the interview in this thread. But this was the bottom line, anyway

[Rob78]

No! I do not want the first controller to make my hands feel good to change! I love the DualShock(1 & 2), Sony can add the new feature in a DualShock 3 that looks the same.

[Sephiroth_VII]

In the PSM interview, it was mentioned that Dual Shock 2 has to change to accommodate for the new features. That was it, I'm afraid. Who knows what Sony is planning? They have some pretty crazy dudes there.

I think I posted that part of the interview in this thread. But this was the bottom line, anyway

Could you post a scan?

[amod20002004]

In the PSM interview, it was mentioned that Dual Shock 2 has to change to accommodate for the new features. That was it, I'm afraid. Who knows what Sony is planning? They have some pretty crazy dudes there.

I think I posted that part of the interview in this thread. But this was the bottom line, anyway
Actually I am happy with duel shock2. It is really nice controller. Let’s hope that new duel shock will suit us in every aspect.

[Rallyracr420]

I'd also like to see the DS3 use a smaller plug for where the controller cable connects to the console. The flat one they use now seems big and outdated. They also sound include breakaway cables like the XBox has....its saved my buddy's system many times.

[Z]

Keep in mind two things:
- they didn't say they will completely change it. So they may only teak it a bit.
- The makers of the Dual Shock are handeling it. You think they'll ruin it when they happen to make THE best controller EVER from the get go?! It would take a miracle to spoil it.

[amod20002004]

Keep in mind two things:
- they didn't say they will completely change it. So they may only teak it a bit.
- The makers of the Dual Shock are handeling it. You think they'll ruin it when they happen to make THE best controller EVER from the get go?! It would take a miracle to spoil it.
Oh yes, let’s wait and see. :)

[Pina]

Hi everyone, greetings from Portugal, first post here :)
I have been watching this forum for a long time now, just registered today.

Anyway...
I have a Logitech Cordless controller (latest model) and the batteries have been lasting for what seems like an eternity. I don´t how many hours it has lasted but i have the controller since September.
I´ve played through Killzone, Burnout 3 and 36 hours of StarOcean, plus other games i´ve tested, demos etc.

I am still waiting for it to fail me, i already have rechargable batteries next to PS2 waiting to be used.

[Rallyracr420]

I would be satisfied to have battery life like that. My roommate bought a gamecube and we've logged at least 100 hours in wireless gameplay with the Wavebird. I haven't noticed any degredation in quality at all.

[Z]

Hey Portugal!! Small world huh? Welcome to the forums!
Like that avy. I don't know if it looks innocent or scary.

About your battery performance; that is good. What kind of batteries does it use and how many? And I assume it has a rumble feature, right?

Speaking of brands, Nyko Air Flo Wireless is the only wireless controller out there with internal fans that keep your hands dry. It has rubber coated handles. You can also control the fan speed. It also has an inch-long joystick that screws into/from the d-pad. It is for $39.99. It uses four AA batteries.
having said all that, I think there are better option out there. Pelican is a good choice.

[Pina]

Small world indeed.

It uses 2 AA Batteries, it is very similar to the Sony one except for the D-Pad (wich i prefer the logitech one) and shoulder buttons.

It has vibration but you can turn it off with a button. It works excellent with every game except for one weird thing, when i start StarOcean, it doesn´t detect the pad ("insert controller in port1" message) but if i click any button it accepts it and carrys on perfect.
I never experienced any sort of lag and i tried controlling a game from another room whithout any problem... er... well, i couldnt see what i was doing, but my brother confirmed it was working :)

Logitech pad here -> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/PT/EN,CRID=2277,CONTENTID=8157

[Z]

Yup, Logitech has some of the best peripherals out there. They made the official PS2 headset (Xbox's as well?). the are also the ones that made the amazing GT4 steering wheel with 900 degrees turn and all.
Hori is a Japanese maker that make some pretty weird stuff. Like Onimusha 3 kitana controller. They also made Ace Combat controller that look simply sweet, not to mention expensive. I think they were the ones that made RE4 chainsaw controller too. And finally Nyko isn't bad as well. We recently see their PSP line booming.

[5ysT3m cR45h3r]

I have a Logitech pad and its very durable and their product line is impressive.

[Rallyracr420]

I've used that Logitec controller and my only complaint was that the rubber on the analog sticks didn't prevent my thumbs from actually slipping off. This was extremely annoying while playing Vice City. Other than that, its top notch.

[Omega Blue]

Im guessing DS3 changes will be mostly cosmetic. Making it look more sleak. Most likely a color change, add some better gripping. Maybe a button shift or 2. The style of the shapes and letters might change. Chances are they are already testing prototypes.

[5ysT3m cR45h3r]

Hmmm...letter style changes... :idea: gee I never actually thought of that. That is a good idea. Like for instance, each button (triangle, x, circle, square) should have a revised geometrical style, like a three dimensional touch or something of that matter.

[Z]

There will certainly be changes in the structure as well, maybe not much yet still. I expect new additional controls and options to accommodate for the new feature/s of PS3 not just as a gaming console, but as a multimedia system. But I don't expect much change in the general looks. I think if someone sees it they will think it is one of those 3rd party controllers.

About color; looking at Sony's past record, I can say that PS3 will definitely have a new color. Look at PS1, PSOne, PS2 and PSX. Having two generations of a product with the same color is not an appealing move. Gray or silver are not sleek as it once was. Silver even feels a bit gimmicky nowadays. My money is on royal white. That is a very attractive color for any product. Both black and white are attractive. Look at posh products from limousines to high-end gadget. You will see both these colors a lot. And since black is already done, it leaves the way for white.
Actually, I can't picture any other color for PS3… except going for black again.

[Ibanez32]

I'd agree with that I think they'll take an almost take an arty approach to it with a simple colour and very minimilistic appearance. So even if they layout stays the same the buttons will be different.

[Matt]

Continue in the next part:

http://psinext.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5140

[klaymen]

why the hell did they change the controller? it looks like a crappy pc usb controller. does it have anything to do with that patent dispute thing not too long ago?

[Mordecaii]

No, if it was because of the patent dispute, they would have had to take out their vibration motors... My guess is that they changed the controllers to keep the design fresh. And also, the DS2 controllers would not have been able to be kept with Sony going wireless because they would have had no place for the battery... hence the reason that they had to change the design or have a huge ugly and bulky compartment on the back of it like the XBOX 360 controllers hehe.

[n1n9tean]

I dont know man I think it MUST for them to switch to that POS (and take away two shoulder buttons). But just look how the eyetoy can be used as your controller. That makes the future all the more bright. 8) (if you dont know what I'm talking about just watch that amazing press conference :wink: )

[The_One]

why the hell did they change the controller? it looks like a crappy pc usb controller. does it have anything to do with that patent dispute thing not too long ago? Yes... I believe it actually does...

[mr.bananaz]

Well, I think that they didn't show the controller at the conference which probably means that the one in the photos are designs only. And it also says at the bottom of the pics that the "Design and specifications are subject to change withouth notice."

So I really, really, uberly, hope that they change the concept of their contorllers... *sigh*

[lilkoy123]

Well...the Sony ads did say "Welcome Chang3". :?

[mr.bananaz]

^ Haha.. Good Point... But the change they made, particularly of the contollers, is ... is... :cry:

[Brandon]

But the change they made, particularly of the contollers, is ... is... :cry:
Horrendous? Yeah, they don't look that great. I will again say I hope they change the design by the PS3 launch.

[mr.bananaz]

^My thoughts exactly

[ps3basefan]

why the hell did they change the controller? it looks like a crappy pc usb controller. does it have anything to do with that patent dispute thing not too long ago?


The ps3 controllers is the only negative so far...why did they changed from the original?

[Mordecaii]

I still believe it's from the basic fact that they had to find a place to put a battery and so they decided to redesign the controller rather than add a large compartment onto the back of the existing controllers. Also, people who are actually at the game show are saying that the PS3 controllers are actually great and feel good in their hands... I think we should give them a try before saying they're horrible.

[mr.bananaz]

I still believe it's from the basic fact that they had to find a place to put a battery and so they decided to redesign the controller rather than add a large compartment onto the back of the existing controllers. Also, people who are actually at the game show are saying that the PS3 controllers are actually great and feel good in their hands... I think we should give them a try before saying they're horrible.

Lol... Well, that's no surprise. The controllers are shaped like a crooked, er, banana...

Edit: A really, really, croocked banana

[Red_Eyes]

why the hell did they change the controller? it looks like a crappy pc usb controller. does it have anything to do with that patent dispute thing not too long ago?

I think it's easier to play FPS game with the controller like this.
But I don't know. It should be more comfortable.

But we'll see.

[Red_Eyes]

Nah, I think the controller looks great. I mean, if i ever get beaten badly by my younger brother, I can just throw the boomerage shape controller at my brother. Lol.

[n1n9tean]

I'm beggining to not hate the controller as much...don't know why really...it's sort of strange. :lol:

I still feel like it should be changed though.

[*G*spot]

I hope those are not the actual controllers. :( And if they are, hopefully they'll grow on us with time. :roll: :twisted:

[Red_Eyes]

Well, the should be very comfortable to hold, otherwise, why would Sony change it?

[diOndOrAntt]

I think the controllers are the nicest part :D. Finnaly something different :twisted:

[stanDarsh]

I have to say give me my DS2 any day over that! If that is the final design I hope to be proven wrong when I hold it in my hands, just like I was proven wrong with the gamecube controller (yeah im sure a lot of people still don't like GC controller, but for most games it works really well in my opinion!)

[Z]

looks like people here don't like to change. they like to keep things as is for ever. I, on the other hand, 'welcome chang3'. I say the new controller looks high-tech and sophisticated just like PS3. I love it and can't wait untill I hold it in my hands. frankly, I am worried that the final PS3 design will change to the worst as I can't imagine anything better than this!
yet Sony always amazes the world with their designs and inginuity. just like PSP's prototype, I am confident that if they do actually change anything in PS3 it will be for the better!

BRING IT ON!! :twisted:

[gnznroses]

so is there any vibration? i mean c'mon we need some. i know they can put some in there without violating the patent.

[Z]

why does anyone think Sony will 'take away' any features? do you honestly think DS3 won't vibrate? do you honestly think it doesn't have 'all' the buttons and functions of DS2? what is the matter with you people? :?

also keep inmind that this is a prototype. with nearly a year till launch it will certainly change. and I have a feeling it will have more buttons and functions that DS2, it is just that Sony doesn't want to show off too much.

[markvaid]

i really hope you're right man. That is one of the worst controllers i've ever seen. The analog sticks look like they're squished in the center, and looks very uncomfortable. They need to change it.

[Coded-Dude]

Hmmmmm.......... :roll:

I actually like the design(I know call me crazy) :shock:
But I always though the PS controllers could be a liittle bigger/longer
(of courseI have big hands, and that grip just looks ergonomically comfortable)
Personally I don't care what a controller looks like as long as it feels good in your hand!

Though I DO think I'll be getting a silver console to match the controller.
I also wonder if that will be the default color for all accessories(eyetoy, etc.)

[n1n9tean]

yea I've grown to accept it aswell. It doesnt look so bad anymore now that it's a new day. (last night I could've spewed out my bean burritos)

I do agree with that comment about the analog sticks though. If they dont change anything else it would be OK but the analogs need to be changed.

[Goki]

Only 2 shoulder/trigger buttons, this is CATASTROPHE!!!

[Chris Metal]

I wanna know something, has anyone seen a clear back view of the controller? hmmmm... If not then how do you know it doesn't have 4 shoulder buttons. I for one can see for sure there's only 2 in the reflection on the black PS3

[gnznroses]

the way the controller shown is shaped i'd say there's no way they fit vibration motors in. cause the analog sticks are so close to the inside edges. but yeah, i'm sure there'll be some vibration in the final system.

[lilkoy123]

I applaud Sony for making this change. This is all part of Sony's theme to make a change by taking us gamers to the next-gen of gaming.
I know it's hard to change for all of us, but gradually we will accept it.

[Monkey Boy Matt]

Calm down, there are 4 shoulder buttons still:
http://eu.playstation.com/iw_images//assets/images/news/05May/ps3_hardware/ps3_hardware_06_big.jpg

[Chris Metal]

Thank you Monkey Boy, I thought there would be!

[Goki]

LOL is that what i think it is, just above the start and select buttons!!!

A copy of 360 button.... :D

Well this pic is a BIT more reassuring of 4 shoulder buttons, but i still cant make out wheter its 4 or just 2 big ones...

[Illmatic]

It actually looks pretty nice. I don't think they would've changed the design of a near perfect controller to make a new one less comfortable. :wink:

[Domination]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/deadlock101/j.bmp

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/deadlock101/g.bmp

I will admit, when I first saw the controller, I was astonish by its look; I didn't expect the older design to change at all. But after looking over this baterang-like controller, I began to realise that the actual lay out of the controller didn't change at all. Everything is pretty much where it has always been on the previous controllers except for the shoulder buttons which now set at a slant instead of horizontal - allowing for easy accessibility. And believe it or not, this was my main complaint for the last controller. The only thing that makes this controller seem completely redesigned are the hands. But, it hasn't, from what I can see of the controller. They are only longer than the last ones. In my honest opinion, I believe this controller will prove way more comfortable than the last one.

The console itself was nothing I didn't expect from Sony. Like I said before, their designs are strange yet unique at the very same time, which was why I didn't even bother guessing what it would look like. Although Sony states that this is not the final model but resembling very close to it, I think this is by far the best looking model they've done since they entered this industry. It completely looks next-gen while ditching the common, console look. It is definitely fit for a company room.

[Monkey Boy Matt]

Yeh, your rite, at first i thought they looked well erm, wierd, but you get used to them after starin for a few hours. Those last 2 pics are nice, you got any links to larger versions by any chance?

[Illmatic]

I agree with everything you said Dom, i think the initial impressions were due to the shock factor, now that things have settled slightly, it looks pretty sweet.

[Goki]

Ok im am relieved now, THX a lot Domino :wink:

Well im pretty sure i dont like the desing, its not as awful as I 1st saw it, its kinda grown in on me now that ive had a better look at it. I can see myself getting used to the desing in good time.

But anyone know what it feels like, it looks like its either not usable, or the most comfortable controller on earth (and in space i reckon :P )

[n1n9tean]

well I guess it happened with most of us then. :lol: :lol: :lol: (the shock factor and thinking it was disgustingly ugly at first)

I gradually started liking it. :wink:

and thanks for the pictures...good to see L2 and R2 returning. 8)

[Domination]

Here are some larger stills: front view (http://www.photodump.com/direct/Domination/g.jpg), back view (http://www.photodump.com/direct/Domination/p.jpg)

[Chris Metal]

I like the design layout. I particularly like the clear buttons. hmm I wonder if they have a backlight so you can see what you're pushing at night :wink: . Cool and cheesy 8) :lol: . Seriously though that would probs eat up the battery.

[n1n9tean]

I hope they put a rubber dust cover over that slot where the cord will go. (like most MP3 players with mini-usb ports have.)

[Overload]

Were's the single right trigger! I was hoping they would come through, wat is this??

[Z]

hmm I wonder if they have a backlight so you can see what you're pushing at night

:?: what? you can't memorize the layout?

[Chris Metal]

LOL of course I can I have the layout of DS2 embedded. I was only joking. :wink:

[NeoSNightmarE]

I guess that it will be an adjustment, but I still have my love for the DS2. I mean, it's a good layout. I will have to wait to actually hold it I guess.

[JetBlackRX89]

...Though I DO think I'll be getting a silver console to match the controller...

There's no doubt that Sony would think ahead on something like this. There will definately be controllers in black, silver, and white. I don't think anybody's going to be forced to have mis-matched colors.

And these may just be the primary colors for the 1st wave of PS3s. It's very possible they will release blue consoles and controllers, or green, or any color of the rainbow for all I know.

I'm getting used to the controller. It was a shock to see a design left unchanged for 2 generations to suddenly get a make-over. I still think it would be a good idea for Sony to offer some wireless PS3 controllers bearing the original design (they can make room for 2 AA batteries. Not too hard) for skeptics.

Does anybody know what the button/light above the start and pause buttons are? The analogue light? Maybe a "main menu" button like the 360 has?

[GTX_Fusion]

Probably, but most likely just a logo or some decoration for the controller. The first tim e i saw the thing, i was at skool, and at skool, im the only ps fanatic! When i and my friends saw, theyre like "omg, why did you open a pic of a boomerang?" Then, after just staring at it for 45 minutes, I actually saw myself holding the controller, playing UT 2007!!!

[Illmatic]

^Yo man, that sig is MASSIVE, i think the max is 400 x 100. :wink:

[GTX_Fusion]

^Yo man, that sig is MASSIVE, i think the max is 400 x 100. :wink:BETTER? :wink: I REALLY HOPE PS3 COMES IN AROUNF $350-400 CDN!!

[Rallyracr420]

$50 says this boomerang controller doesn't make it to the shelves when the PS3 comes out this march

[redhotcrispy]

hey ppl its been a very long while since i last posted, the pre psp launch days to be more precise, anywayz back 2 da point:

I really think ppl should be less judgemental on the controller, sony does this for a reason. They have had way more experience in ergonmics than any of us so they know how to improve on it. I think what theyre trying to achieve (apart from a law suit from the dual shock inventing dudes or wutever theyre getting sued by) Is a more relaxed posture of the hand so we can have less pains whilest playing for more hours and more confortably.

Another point is that maybe the new long look may be a prototype to make the controller multifunctional (no not as in a vibrator) what i mean is maybe they could make it so wen ur playin racing games u grab the long horn things like a steering wheel and a tilt sensor sees ur steering. This is just an idea but u get my point... theyre doing this for a reason and we should trust them since they are better at designing this stuff than any of us probably are, so sit back and chillax knowing ur hands, are in good hands :? (sounded wierd)

[MiThRaZoR]

$50 says this boomerang controller doesn't make it to the shelves when the PS3 comes out this march

It's not, the only reason Sony did that was to show the people. They just put it together at the last minute. So it's not really the PS3 controller. That's just a releif. That's why they were using DS2s at the conference.

[n1n9tean]

$50 says this boomerang controller doesn't make it to the shelves when the PS3 comes out this march

It's not, the only reason Sony did that was to show the people. They just put it together at the last minute. So it's not really the PS3 controller. That's just a releif. That's why they were using DS2s at the conference.

do you have a source for that info?

[Brandon]

It doesn't look like a last-minute design to me...

[MiThRaZoR]

Insider from ps3forums.com

Click here (http://ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=36411)

This guy works for SCEA.

And not really, last minute. But more like... just read the link.

[Brandon]

Well I do still hope it's not the final design. It's too drastically different from the beloved Dual Shock 2.

[MiThRaZoR]

It doesn't look like a last-minute design to me...

Well, this controller was made back in the late 90s. Before the analogs. But I think they got it from this controller..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/cx1/alpspad.jpg

[n1n9tean]

Wonder if that guy is really a Sony employee. :?

I hope so. Because while I now think the controller is OK...I still dont exactly prefer it.

[Grandia]

I try, and I try, to look at those controllers in a positive light, but I just can't do it. The PS3 would have been perfect had they not released this as the controller. I desperately hope Sony changes it, ASAP. I mean, it has gotten quite a lot of negative feedback, and would just be an awful controller. Look at Microsoft's controller, that's a lot better than this crappy thing. (It's what the DS3 should resemble.)

[Danji]

The PS3 would have been perfect had they not released this as the controller

I had no idea the PS3 was already released! How much does it cost and where can I get it? :D

But really, they are undoubtedly going to change the controller by the TGS.

[Gegenki]

i think people are just crying because they decided to change something they were used to.
DS2 - any racing game, due to the pressure nature of the buttons i hurt the muscle in my thumb trying to get some extra speed out of it. I welcome the change. If you relax your hand, you will find that you can slot a ps2 controller straight into your hand. This is because sony knows about how to make the most confortable controller. The slant at the top is even better now because your fingers dont have to come to a horrizonal.
The xbox button on 360 in the middle brings up the operating system menu, and allows you to connect the controller wirelessly to the xbox, and allows you to turn on and off the xbox.
Sony also said digital photos, video communication and digital music would be avalible simalteneously while gaming so the button probably does the same thing.

They had to find somewhere in the pad to put the new vibration system, battery and bluetooth ( to connect - Sony said bluetooth in the conference - 7 controllers in fact).
You can't expect the controller to stay the same and whatever sony came up with it was bound to be hated, because it is different. - It's like life

And i think the buttons are closer together from one side of the pad to the otehr for better comfort. Some people might have not been able to reach the start button! but it all depends on how wide the pad is.

[the fatal cure]

Did any of you notice that during the tech demos for the PS3, that bald dude was controlling everything on screen with a black DualShock controller? Maybe we can still use the DS2 on PS3, no worries if so. We still keep our perfect controllers!

[Mordecaii]

I for one will be very disappointed if they don't change the Dual Shock 2... Seriously, it's getting kinda old and I'm sure there are plenty of things that could be done to make it even better. Plus, as I've stated before, unless they change the design, I guarantee that there wouldn't be a good place to place the rechargable battery and blue tooth hardware. They are going to have to change the controllers for wireless people, and I hope they keep the design we were shown because it looks slick and comfortable to me.

[Gegenki]

Did any of you notice that during the tech demos for the PS3, that bald dude was controlling everything on screen with a black DualShock controller? Maybe we can still use the DS2 on PS3, no worries if so. We still keep our perfect controllers!

No there are no ports for it on the console. They were probably just using it for the dev and to ensure that nobody used any kinda special signal jammers to hinder the effect of the presentation

[Grandia]

The PS3 would have been perfect had they not released this as the controller

I had no idea the PS3 was already released! How much does it cost and where can I get it? :D

But really, they are undoubtedly going to change the controller by the TGS.
Oh you knew what I meant. :x :P

[Fahad145]

i dont see a big deal. its the same thing, but has a long handle.

[TidusX]

While the desighn was really weird at first I am getting used to it. I am sure some changes will be made. But like was said before, Sony knows how to make a comfortable controller so I am sure they are taking style and comfort very seriously.

[Rallyracr420]

i dont see a big deal. its the same thing, but has a long handle. Logically you're right. However aesthetics and beauty don't follow logic, and as this concept boomerang controller goes, aesthetically it sucks.

Plus this concept controller doesn't include triggers and the XBox showed games can use triggers very well. As controllers go, in the categories of aesthetics and function the X360 controller has stolen the crown from Sony. I know Sony will come back with a better finalized controller, but to even show this controller at E3 was retarded. Maybe they just wanted to make sure people had something extra to talk about.

[The_One]

$50 says this boomerang controller doesn't make it to the shelves when the PS3 comes out this march You're on! Just make sure you're true to your words :lol:.

[Rallyracr420]

$50 says this boomerang controller doesn't make it to the shelves when the PS3 comes out this march You're on! Just make sure you're true to your words :lol:.
I was waiting for someone to take me up on that. :D Its a deal, but it goes both ways...I can't wait to be $50 richer next March.

(all other bets are off for anyone else that's interested...I can't afford to lose to 10 different people :shock: )

[O.D.S]

heres good news from a sony spokesperson about the controller:

although a Sony representative stressed that everything was still conceptual -- especially the wireless controller -- and designs may change before the PS3's official debut.

[Rallyracr420]

Wooohoooo I can smell the money :lol:

[nlitement]

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Domination/p.jpg

Take a look at the picture domination posted. There's a port or something between the buttons. Is it a recharge plug or something? In the conference the guy said "The controller guarantees at least on playtime charge and can be recharged with usb..." (if I understoiod right :p)

[blue lion]

the controller looks ugly....... but it doesn't matter .......the most important that it is comfortable.

[Alucard]

That thing between the buttons seem to be a usb 2.0 type B mini port .
Maybe you can link it to a PSP via usb .

[TEEDA]

http://ps3zelda.ytmnd.com/

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: LOL

[jongaleo]

I love the dual shock and I hated the first few pics of the ps3 controller, but after seeing some REAL pictures of it from e3 and similar I came to love it.. after some time thinking of its shape and how it would look like in other dimensional views I noticed how COOL it was! man if you hold your fists tight it forms a cone, just like the ps3 controllers.. perfect grip I believe.. and they look cool and DIFFERENT, unlike anything until now. btw I've seen REALLY old versions of this control, maybe from 5+ years ago. somebody showed a pic of it on a forum. so it's got a long history and it could work great. don't we want a controller unlike anything? did sony make the first none-flat controller? now thats cool... :P anyway I will adopt this controller, in fact I would rather have that one than another dualshock 2 or 3. :)

[Silver]

Maybe Sony will release some kind of DS(2) to USB adaptor for all the people who don't like/hate the DS3. It'd save them the trouble of having to make a USB dualshock2...

[Pina]

I have a USB to DualShock Adaptor, it works fine on PC. I used it on emulators and other games.

[nlitement]

Why would someone hate DS3? It makes me pissed off to hear such...

[Gegenki]

Why would someone hate DS3? It makes me pissed off to hear such...

INIT!
People here saying it grew on them have just proven that they were just upset that it changed.

[Rallyracr420]

I have a USB to DualShock Adaptor, it works fine on PC. I used it on emulators and other games. Ditto...this controller rocks as a PC gamepad...I also have a DualShock to XBox adapter so I can kick my friends' asses in Halo using my PS2 controller.

[Maya 5.0]

The DS2 was not that great for FPS and this new design is a welcome change.

[Rallyracr420]

The DS2 was not that great for FPS and this new design is a welcome change.You're on crack. The DS2 was bomb for FPS. Way better than any other controller out there. The only thing that came close was the XBox Controller-S and having 6 face buttons sucked compared to how the dual shock moved two of those face buttons to the shoulders. Hell, even MS realized the DS2 kicked ass and now the XBox360 controller looks exactly like the DS2 plus some triggers. Granted the DS2 could use some triggers, but that's all it needs.

[rpgamer_2k5]

The DS2 was not that great for FPS and this new design is a welcome change.

All the DS3 requires were triggers. If the L2/R2 button could be converted into triggers, the DS3 would have been perfect.

[nemesis121]

I found this on the web it's funny.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/deathstar121/boomershocksmall383.gif

[nlitement]

I found this on the web it's funny.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/deathstar121/boomershocksmall383.gif
I believe it's yours, not randomly imgoogled... Deathstar121 it is and on a photobucket account :lol: . Very funny [idea], but that controller is serious business . :evil:

[nemesis121]

I found this on the web it's funny.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/deathstar121/boomershocksmall383.gif
I believe it's yours, not randomly imgoogled... Deathstar121 it is and on a photobucket account :lol: . Very funny, but that controller is serious business.

Nah it's not mines I didn't make it, i just hosted on my photobucket account, i didn't direct link it off the original.

[Rizon]

Its a fresh design from sony. Its very interesting to look at. And from what i can really think, it would be comfatable to use. However, i have a worry though, are the arms of the controller going to be so big?

Other than that, its one superb development from the design of ds2. Its kept the main playstation elements, and evolved them.

[mckmas8808]

You guys know that this is NOT the real controller right? Its a conceptual design. Notice the stand beside it.


http://img.engadget.com/common/images/4622841285227142.JPG?0.6347108783472735

[n1n9tean]

"LETTER TO SONY"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Sony,

I can't wait to purchase my PS3. What an awesome system you've crafted there. Pure brilliance. That is a pretty neat new controller design but I have one request; can you make mine a little more sharp, rough, bulky and all-around dangerous to use in any "non-gaming" activities because uhhh...well...I don't want my wife....ya know like..."messin' around" with my stuff while I'm away.

Thank you,
n1n9tean

[Coded-Dude]

You guys know that this is NOT the real controller right? Its a conceptual design. Notice the stand beside it.


http://img.engadget.com/common/images/4622841285227142.JPG?0.6347108783472735

Are you saying there is NO possibility it WILL be the real controller?
Its is the one Sony decided to go with(now consumer opinions come in - they will decide the final design)
Which could potentially be the conceptual design......only time will tell

personally.....I love it

[mckmas8808]

Well the way everybody in the forums and press dogged it out I don't think we will be seeing boomerrang anymore. :)

[Ibanez32]

So your saying this boomerang won't come back. ( i can see the headlines now)

[O.D.S]

Today i picked up my DS2 in my hand and found out a few things:

1.My hands cover the whole handle
2.to have a natural stance the Analog controllers should be lower
3.the R1,R2,L1,L2 buttons make your hands have an unatural posture by pushing out your wrists

solutions for these:
1.well it may not look good but the PS3 controller sure would fix this problem (this would relax your hand because it wont have to position its self higher)

2.if the PS3's analog controllers are lowered you wouldn't have to come up and over the controller to move them accuratly (loger handles may allso fix the problem, HA! (what problem?)

3.if they are curved around your hand doesnt have to make such a cup shape and your wrists will be straight (not that is to much of a problem)

Finally. Lets face it DS2 was 97%perfection 3%sweat and it didnt have many flaws
but i believe the new controller was built for function over form.

[Ibanez32]

Looking at i would definitely agree that the ergonomics of this controller will be superior.

[imported_almattitude_v1]

Like many of you, when I first saw the controllers, i thoght of an alienated design, but then stared at my monitor for 5 mins before realising, that thing is pretty cool! I trust Sony that the controllers will be great, after all, they gave us the PlayStation and we loved it, then the PS2 and we loved it even more, so i think i wont have second thoughts when i go an purchase a PS3, wether the controllers look like a boomarang or a naked girl...

[chrismt]

I have a feeling that Sony is just sitting back and letting all the comments pour in to see how they can modify their design. They probably put this futuristic console and controller out there in order to make the 360 look outdated and bland, but in the end may make the designs either similar to the PS2 or 360. They better at least change the font displaying playstation 3 on the console :!:

[O.D.S]

i totally agree with you chrismt,

the writing is a bit...bland? (what does that even mean? :roll: )
and even the colour of it isnt very attractive (against the silver console)

i did kind of like the fake PS3 logo that was made of circles and had an orange 3 (cant find it!)

but i really expect something special from Sony, not so much the console itself (i really like it) but i expect a 'redesign' of the 'concept' controller
(not so much boomerang :wink: )

[Domination]

I have a feeling that Sony is just sitting back and letting all the comments pour in to see how they can modify their design. They probably put this futuristic console and controller out there in order to make the 360 look outdated and bland, but in the end may make the designs either similar to the PS2 or 360. They better at least change the font displaying playstation 3 on the console :!:

The console and even the controller is perfect, IMO. But seeing how this is a prototype model resembling the final look very closely, I doubt Sony will change anything major to what we are already seeing of the console. The controller, I'm not so sure of, but I definitely welcome it.

[Grandia]

I have a feeling that Sony is just sitting back and letting all the comments pour in to see how they can modify their design. They probably put this futuristic console and controller out there in order to make the 360 look outdated and bland, but in the end may make the designs either similar to the PS2 or 360. They better at least change the font displaying playstation 3 on the console :!:
I wish, but compared to the 360, the 360 doesn't look outdated. I actually think it is the better design of the two, both controller and console.

[havoc and chaos]

honestly I think the ps3 controller looks more comfortable than that of xbox 360. I should try holding a boomerang and see if it is comfortable

[Z]

everybody wants to make a controller that resembeles the DS. I am very happy Sony didn't release a DS clone! hope it doesn't change much for the final design *crosses fingures*

[Grandia]

everybody wants to make a controller that resembeles the DS. I am very happy Sony didn't release a DS clone! hope it doesn't change much for the final design *crosses fingures*
Not everyone. Look at the 360 controller. Doesn't look like the DS. Sony should release a DS clone, they themselves last gen with the PS2, if it's not broken, why fix it? Why create this controller, which, in my opinion, looks incredibly uncomfortable. Either release a Xbox 360 controller clone, or a DS clone. That's what I hope the final controller is like.

*crosses fingers*

[Rallyracr420]

everybody wants to make a controller that resembeles the DS. I am very happy Sony didn't release a DS clone! hope it doesn't change much for the final design *crosses fingures*
Not everyone. Look at the 360 controller. Doesn't look like the DS. Sony should release a DS clone, they themselves last gen with the PS2, if it's not broken, why fix it? Why create this controller, which, in my opinion, looks incredibly uncomfortable. Either release a Xbox 360 controller clone, or a DS clone. That's what I hope the final controller is like.

*crosses fingers*

The X360 controller looks perfect IMO. Well almost...I like how the DS has the Dpad and the left analog stick swapped. In games like Robot Alchemy Drive the symmetry of the DS controller helps control the arms of the giant robots.

The DS has good button layout, but the shape of the controller could use a little more ergonomics. I think the new PS3 controller would be very comfortable, but I still don't like the look of it. I think Sony can come up with something more comfortable than the DS2, but not something that looks as retarded as the controller they showed at E3.

And dammit it needs some triggers.

[Reality Bandit]

Grandia wrote:
Not everyone. Look at the 360 controller. Doesn't look like the DS. Sony should release a DS clone, they themselves last gen with the PS2, if it's not broken, why fix it? Why create this controller, which, in my opinion, looks incredibly uncomfortable. Either release a Xbox 360 controller clone, or a DS clone. That's what I hope the final controller is like.

*crosses fingers*

The 360 controller changes around the left analog stick and pad... replaces where R2/L2 with triggers, which are black/white buttons... of course there is the guide button thing, but other than that... sounds pretty damn close to a DS2 clone.

And this controller does look quite more comfortable than the current DS, for reasons others have already stated if you read the thread.

[rpgamer_2k5]

I would never want Sony to swap the left stick with the direction pad. Moreover, I want Sony to get rid hideous of that Dual Shock 3 concept and design something that is similar to the Dual Shock. Sony can change the controller, just like MS dumped the Sidewinder controller for the current Xbox controllers.

[Bocuma]

i personally would want both sticks swapped with the d-pad and buttons, then put the d-pad in the middle with the buttons where the sticks originally were... that's if you only use the d-pad for menus and that.

anyone prefer triggers over sticks? I've never used a ps2 controller for racing or whatever

[raVen]

the only thing i want is r2 and l2 to be triggers

[chrismt]

I think something cool Sony could do would be to somehow incorporate the dpad into the left analog stick (similar to the click wheel in iPod 4gen), and to put something else in place of the dpad.

[Shadow CRX]

Based on appearances, Id say the controller doesnt look comfy. Hopefully they dont make it as long, but skinny and short (like the GCN controller, Top view).

Chances are, I wont afford a PS3, so, ill just use a PSP as a controller (if its supported) .

[chrismt]

Well it does support using the PSP as a controller, but if you couldn't afford a PS3, how could you use the PSP as a controller. :P And also, now that I think about it, most of us would probably not use the extra length the controller would give, because we are used to the DS2.

[Shadow CRX]

Id go to my friends house, or my cousins house. Ill go to pretty much any Sony fan boy I know.

[Z]

if it's not broken, why fix it?
How else will we move on and evolve if we stay put?

Look at the 360 controller. Doesn't look like the DS
Xbox controller is a Dreamcast mock up. X2’s is a DS mock up. It has four shoulder buttons and it looks like the DS shape and size. Wings sizes and shape, and the rest.

Finally, if you fancy the traditional 10 year old DS design, then you have two things to consider:
1- this is not the final design.
2- There will be so many 3rd party controllers that are DS clones for PS3.
3- If nothing is new in the new controller, you can use your old PS2 one instead.

[chrismt]

Would you be able to use your old PS2 controller though? There isn't any ports for it, unless there is a adapter for usb.

[Domination]

everybody wants to make a controller that resembeles the DS. I am very happy Sony didn't release a DS clone! hope it doesn't change much for the final design *crosses fingures*
Not everyone. Look at the 360 controller. Doesn't look like the DS. Sony should release a DS clone, they themselves last gen with the PS2, if it's not broken, why fix it? Why create this controller, which, in my opinion, looks incredibly uncomfortable. Either release a Xbox 360 controller clone, or a DS clone. That's what I hope the final controller is like.

*crosses fingers*

Looking and feeling are two different things. :wink:

[Maya 5.0]

The DS2 was not that great for FPS and this new design is a welcome change.You're on crack. The DS2 was bomb for FPS. Way better than any other controller out there. The only thing that came close was the XBox Controller-S and having 6 face buttons sucked compared to how the dual shock moved two of those face buttons to the shoulders. Hell, even MS realized the DS2 kicked ass and now the XBox360 controller looks exactly like the DS2 plus some triggers. Granted the DS2 could use some triggers, but that's all it needs.

You got child hands or something?Those sticks are too close together but Sony would just have to widen the sticks to make it better(not sure but the new controller looks like it did that).Even more they could offset them in their axis but either one would be better than the DS2.

Dont know where you got the DS2 was the "bomb" but most consider it not FPS friendly.

[Grandia]

everybody wants to make a controller that resembeles the DS. I am very happy Sony didn't release a DS clone! hope it doesn't change much for the final design *crosses fingures*
Not everyone. Look at the 360 controller. Doesn't look like the DS. Sony should release a DS clone, they themselves last gen with the PS2, if it's not broken, why fix it? Why create this controller, which, in my opinion, looks incredibly uncomfortable. Either release a Xbox 360 controller clone, or a DS clone. That's what I hope the final controller is like.

*crosses fingers*

Looking and feeling are two different things. :wink:
According to people I've spoken to who were at E3, while they didn't feel it, the Boomerang would be extremely hard to play. Hopefully, it is changed to something similair to the DS2/Controller 360.

Xbox controller is a Dreamcast mock up. X2’s is a DS mock up. It has four shoulder buttons and it looks like the DS shape and size. Wings sizes and shape, and the rest.

Finally, if you fancy the traditional 10 year old DS design, then you have two things to consider:
1- this is not the final design.
2- There will be so many 3rd party controllers that are DS clones for PS3.
3- If nothing is new in the new controller, you can use your old PS2 one instead.
The X360's controller has 2 shoulder buttons, and 2 triggers. (Things that I hope the DS3 replicate) Shapewise, it's not all that similair to the DS2. The Left Analog Stick and D-Pad are also in different positions, which I think are great, and something the DS3 should replicate as well. Makes FPS' much easier. Also, it has the great analog sticks.

With the amount of negative feedback Sony must have received about the controller, it would really make me wonder about them if the final design is anything similair.

DualShock - Great Feedback.
Controller S - Great feedback.
Controller 360 - Great feedback.

Now, Sony, merge all of them together like Microsoft did!

[Ibanez32]

I think the 360's controllers looks more like this sprayed white http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/logitech_cordless_ps2_original_small.jpg
Aside from that was there even a working version of the ds3 because looking at the picture it almost looks too thin to impliment. In terms of comparison to current gen wireless contollers, how does it all fit in. Even the 360's controllers have a blatent bulge where the batteries go. Plus you've got to get two motors in there.

[Z]

Would you be able to use your old PS2 controller though? There isn't any ports for it, unless there is a adapter for usb.
There are slots for DS2 and Memory cards. Next to PS3’s disk slot, there is a ‘hidden’ cabinet. That is where you’ll find them. There are some images showing that if you look for them.

And about triggers; well, if DS is not good for FPS just for not having triggers I think that is just plain silly. Personally, I hate triggers and see them as clumsy. I rather tap a button that yank on triggers. I am not a five year old for a trigger to make me ‘feel’ that I have a ‘real’ gun. That is what you put in children’s plastic guns.

Also, if you look closely, the new controller concept is just a DS in disguise. The only difference is the little support bump under the shoulder buttons is missing. Then again, that could still be there (maybe sucked inside).
Some say the wings are just too long. Well, that extra length is what makes it standout. Also, I would rather have a little extra length than having a box stuck under the controller for the wireless functions.

[n1n9tean]

Z, I never saw any DS2 ports. :? I saw all the memory card slots in there but no DS2.

[Z]

not 'all the memory cards slots'. there is only one PS memory card slot. next to it is one DS slot. as I said; next to the disk slot, under the cover- or 'hood'.

[Rallyracr420]

And about triggers; well, if DS is not good for FPS just for not having triggers I think that is just plain silly. Personally, I hate triggers and see them as clumsy. I rather tap a button that yank on triggers. I am not a five year old for a trigger to make me ‘feel’ that I have a ‘real’ gun. That is what you put in children’s plastic guns.

Triggers aren't about making the controller feel like a real gun. The trigger simply allows for greater precision when you're using the analog capability of the button.

There's a few games out there on PS2 that actually have meters that can show you how hard you're pressing the analog buttons on the dualshock...if you ever try these meters you'll notice it gets pretty hard to keep any of the pressure constant because there's not a lot of movement available for the button. Any slight adjustment of your finger causes the analog sensativity to jump around. But a trigger has more available movement and this extra movement (as long as its firm) allows for you to more carefully choose how much of that button's analog signal gets used. The trigger is for precision, not gun simulation.

You got child hands or something?Those sticks are too close together but Sony would just have to widen the sticks to make it better(not sure but the new controller looks like it did that).Even more they could offset them in their axis but either one would be better than the DS2.

Dont know where you got the DS2 was the "bomb" but most consider it not FPS friendly.
Very true...the DS2 could definitely be bigger. However there are plenty of games just like FPS that use both analog sticks simultaneously and they work just fine with the current size of the DS. So in that sense, the size of the DS2 isn't hurting FPS as much as it is hurting every game on the system. To put it another way, when many genres use the sticks at the same time, why would only FPS suffer? I've never heard anyone complain about FPS games with the DS2, but I've heard plenty of people complain about the size of the controller.

[lip2lip]

I don't mind the new ds controller style, I am, however, slightly worried there will not be a light gun for ps3.

[n1n9tean]

not 'all the memory cards slots'. there is only one PS memory card slot. next to it is one DS slot. as I said; next to the disk slot, under the cover- or 'hood'.

man I can't find a picture of it for sht!!! :x

I know that compartment opens I just never noticed a DS slot in there only the MS and CF etc.

[gnznroses]

the X360 controller ha a massive-ass baterry pack, but i see no battery place on the PS3 ones. is it just cause it's a concept and they want it to look good or what?

[markvaid]

hey man that's a good observation. If the controller has the vibrating mechanisms than they must be in the long handles, so i see no place for battery pack. Unless it gets power wirelessly. dunno if that's possible or not. If it aint, than it kind of proves that it's purely a concept. :D

[chrismt]

I wonder if the controller even could stray from the DS2 design, since they said the PSP could be used as a controller. Both controllers should have the same functions, so unless the PSP again consolidates the two extra triggers the DS3 seems to have, gamers will be left at a loss.

[jaxmkii]

Only 2 shoulder/trigger buttons, this is CATASTROPHE!!! as long as i can plug in my DS2 :?

[Z]

what are you talking about? The new controller is still a dual shock. It has four shoulder buttons. The only difference is they made it smooth losing all the hard edges.
Some people are heavily over reacting like a bunch of little girl scouts :roll:

[Fazares]

what are you talking about? The new controller is still a dual shock. It has four shoulder buttons. The only difference is they made it smooth losing all the hard edges.
Some people are heavily over reacting like a bunch of little girl scouts :roll:
agreed....losing the edges made this more sleek and futuristic...

[Grandia]

what are you talking about? The new controller is still a dual shock. It has four shoulder buttons. The only difference is they made it smooth losing all the hard edges.
Some people are heavily over reacting like a bunch of little girl scouts :roll:
agreed....losing the edges made this more sleek and futuristic...
...and also a banana, a boomerang, and a certain sex toy...

Logitech has made a wireless controller that is the most comfortable PS2 controller I've ever used (and it looks good). Why didn't Sony just copy off that, and tweak it a bit. (i.e. make it a little smaller, tighten up the analog sticks, even swap them, etc. etc. etc.) Or, like I posted in another thread, fuse it with the Extreme Action Controller, which rivals the wireless one in comfort. (And is the best looking controller I've seen)

[rpgamer_2k5]

Who cares about looks? Also swapping the left stick and the directional pad is not necessary at all. Most would prefer the same layout.

[Domination]

hey man that's a good observation. If the controller has the vibrating mechanisms than they must be in the long handles, so i see no place for battery pack. Unless it gets power wirelessly. dunno if that's possible or not. If it aint, than it kind of proves that it's purely a concept. :D

Have you not notice wireless, rumbling controllers from third party developers? :lol: This is SONY we're talking about. Nothing else but compact should come to mind when speaking of their electronics.



According to people I've spoken to who were at E3, while they didn't feel it, the Boomerang would be extremely hard to play. Hopefully, it is changed to something similair to the DS2/Controller 360.

PRO-TO-TYPE

Visuals

Am I not speaking in the prefered language? C'mon, Grandia, you're smarter than this.

[Grandia]

Who cares about looks? Also swapping the left stick and the directional pad is not necessary at all. Most would prefer the same layout.
It makes FPS' a whole lot more comfortable. Also, less and less games are using the DPad as the primary control.

[rpgamer_2k5]

I never got to play any FPS on PS2 other than Half-life and Quake for PS1. Personally I see no problem with the current button layout. The only reason why you probably prefer the Xbox layout is because you played more top of the line FPSes on the Xbox. The best controller for FPS would obviously be a keyboard and a mouse; the PS layout is just fine. :)

[Lumine]

Could someone explain to me exactly why it is that having the analog stick be above the d-pad makes a controller so much more suitable for playing an FPS?

I just can't seem to figure out why it would make any difference at all ... same buttons ... same configuration ... you just move your thumb up instead of down.

[raVen]

It's spacing I personally like it on ps2

[Domination]

Could someone explain to me exactly why it is that having the analog stick be above the d-pad makes a controller so much more suitable for playing an FPS?

I just can't seem to figure out why it would make any difference at all ... same buttons ... same configuration ... you just move your thumb up instead of down.

That's true. I don't see the big deal with it neither. It's just that Xbox only owners,or those using the Xbox as their primary console, have gotten so accustom to the controller to where the difference seems out of place on other controllers. Trust me, the difference in negligible if you've used both controllers before.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Z, I never saw any DS2 ports. :? I saw all the memory card slots in there but no DS2.

Excuse me, but as far as i knbow.
there is NO MEMORYCARD PORT ON THE PS3.
It's a Compact Flash card reader...
USed in older digital cameras.

[Z]

Who cares about looks? Also swapping the left stick and the directional pad is not necessary at all. Most would prefer the same layout.
It makes FPS' a whole lot more comfortable. Also, less and less games are using the DPad as the primary control.

Nope. Especially in FPS, the analog sticks are most comfortable where they are on DS. The reason is they are consistent with the natural position of the thumbs. Put your hands near each other as if you are holding a controller. Look at your thumbs. DS analog sticks fit comfortably and naturally under them. Now change your hand as if you are holding an Xbox controller (both thumbs are on the analog sticks) look how weird your thumbs’ position. They don’t even feel comfortable.

For games that don’t use both analog sticks, it wouldn’t matter where the left stick is positioned. But for the ones that do use both, the analog sticks need to be on the same horizontal line for both thumbs to feel natural and comfortable. If you ask anyone to move there thumbs, the natural response would be to move them as if it was one hand in front of a mirror.
If you want the left analog stick to replace the D-pad on the DS, you need the right stick to also move up and replace the control buttons. And having the control buttons under the right analog stick is obviously not the correct place to put them (start & back and white & black button son the Xbox controller anyone?)

and if you are bitching this much over a concept that nobody has even touched, I wonder how you are bitching about both Xbox official controller designs and the console itself. Or you only complain about the competition?

[Grandia]

Nope. Especially in FPS, the analog sticks are most comfortable where they are on DS. The reason is they are consistent with the natural position of the thumbs. Put your hands near each other as if you are holding a controller. Look at your thumbs. DS analog sticks fit comfortably and naturally under them. Now change your hand as if you are holding an Xbox controller (both thumbs are on the analog sticks) look how weird your thumbs’ position. They don’t even feel comfortable.

For games that don’t use both analog sticks, it wouldn’t matter where the left stick is positioned. But for the ones that do use both, the analog sticks need to be on the same horizontal line for both thumbs to feel natural and comfortable. If you ask anyone to move there thumbs, the natural response would be to move them as if it was one hand in front of a mirror.
If you want the left analog stick to replace the D-pad on the DS, you need the right stick to also move up and replace the control buttons. And having the control buttons under the right analog stick is obviously not the correct place to put them (start & back and white & black button son the Xbox controller anyone?)
That's not necessarily true, because the Controller S and the Dual Shock 2 are different shapes. I guess you can argue that it's an opinion, but I feel for the majority of FPS' I've played on my friends Xbox, they are very comfortable.


and if you are bitching this much over a concept that nobody has even touched, I wonder how you are bitching about both Xbox official controller designs and the console itself. Or you only complain about the competition?
I don't want an Xbox360.
But I think the console and the controller is perfect. They are not only just aesthetically pleasing, both are really cool. (I like the idea of faceplates and the Ring of Light, and the controller is perfect.) I'm not getting one, but it's very nice.
I somewhat like the PS3 design. (It would be a lot better if they took away the hatch.) But I just hope Sony changes the controller.

Domination, I know it's a prototype, but Chatani also said he doesn't see it changing much.

[cpiasminc]

I am, however, slightly worried there will not be a light gun for ps3.
Why would there be? If they're pushing the whole "HD" thing, the idea of a peripheral that only works with a CRT is kind of counterproductive, no?

I never saw any DS2 ports. :? I saw all the memory card slots in there but no DS2.
Doesn't really need to be, I think. There are adapters. I've seen plenty of people here hook up Dual Shocks to the Xbox and PC all the time.

[n1n9tean]

Z, I never saw any DS2 ports. :? I saw all the memory card slots in there but no DS2.

Excuse me, but as far as i knbow.
there is NO MEMORYCARD PORT ON THE PS3.
It's a Compact Flash card reader...
USed in older digital cameras.

MemoryStick= a type of memory card
CompactFlash= a type of memory card
SD= a type of memory card

It all depends on whether you want to call it a memory card or by it's trademark name>> MemoryStick,SD, etc. . "Memory Card" isn't a trademarked name of Sony's it just so happens that they went with a rather uninspired name for their memory cards for PS2 (i.e. Memory Card (8MB) for PlayStation®2)

Sony calls it a SD memory card. (http://www.us.playstation.com/PressReleases.aspx?id=279) :roll: Scroll to the VERY bottom and read after the first asterisk where it says they will be sold seperatley.

* Storage media (HDD, "Memory Stick", SD memory card, and CompactFlash) are sold separately.
* "Dolby" is a trademark of Dolby Laboratories.
* "DTS" is a trademark of Digital Theater Systems, Inc.
* "CompactFlash" is a trademark of SanDisk Corporation.
* "HDMI" is a trademark of HDMI Licensing LLC.
* "Blu-ray Disc" is a trademark.
* "Bluetooth" is a trademark of Bluetooth SIG, Inc.
* All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

* "Memory Stick" and "Memory Stick PRO" are trademarks of Sony Corporation.
* "PlayStation", the PlayStation logo and "PSP" are registered trademarks of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.



I never saw any DS2 ports. :? I saw all the memory card slots in there but no DS2.
Doesn't really need to be, I think. There are adapters. I've seen plenty of people here hook up Dual Shocks to the Xbox and PC all the time.

Naturally, I also considered this since I am aware that there are adapters that let you use console controllers with the PC. I was just wondering what Z was talking about because I knew that when I had seen inside that compartment I saw no DS slots. I don't really care whether or not there are any. I'll be using the PS3 wireless controllers. :wink:

[Domination]

Domination, I know it's a prototype, but Chatani also said he doesn't see it changing much.

I know that, but what I'm saying is the controller can still change as far as being attractive to those thinking otherwsie. I personally love the look of the controller. How the controller handles is anyones guess. But you can't go basing judgment on something that you haven't had any experience with. That's just silly.

[Fazares]

the ps3 pad is good this way...it has that futuristic feeling that make you recognize what kind of super console your playing... :P

[Grandia]

Domination, I know it's a prototype, but Chatani also said he doesn't see it changing much.

I know that, but what I'm saying is the controller can still change as far as being attractive to those thinking otherwsie. I personally love the look of the controller. How the controller handles is anyones guess. But you can't go basing judgment on something that you haven't had any experience with. That's just silly.
I can still say it's ugly. :P

It needs a facelift in order to look attractive. But on a more serious note, look on the controller, on the DPad. Doesn't the left (button?) seem a little over the edge?

[Domination]

Domination, I know it's a prototype, but Chatani also said he doesn't see it changing much.

I know that, but what I'm saying is the controller can still change as far as being attractive to those thinking otherwsie. I personally love the look of the controller. How the controller handles is anyones guess. But you can't go basing judgment on something that you haven't had any experience with. That's just silly.
I can still say it's ugly. :P

It needs a facelift in order to look attractive. But on a more serious note, look on the controller, on the DPad. Doesn't the left (button?) seem a little over the edge?

Yes, and that would be your opinion. And no, the left directional point isn't
on the edge. The controller is sorta round; therefore, the face functions
are set at an angle to allow comfort.

BTW, here's a prototype of the PSP followed buy its final design:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/media/1233.jpg
Larger Size (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/news/11/04/pspnews_screen001.jpg)

http://us.games2.yimg.com/download.games.yahoo.com/games/buzz/content/p/3/58343/face.jpg
Back (http://us.games2.yimg.com/download.games.yahoo.com/games/buzz/content/p/2/58342/back.jpg)

Do not worry yourself about what Sony is doing. Just let them work. They
have been doing this for many years beyond your time. Also note that the
console is a prototype as well.

[Z]

To be accurate, one should say it ‘looks’ more comfortable, less attractive, to have better grip, etc. one shouldn’t bark out “it IS uncomfortable” when nobody has even touched it yet.

I also hope it is rechargeable. I absolutely hate buying and changing batteries. Gamers should just hook it up to an outlet to recharge. I also propose the idea I mentioned in the ‘Wireless everything’ thread of hooking up the controller to PS3 itself. That way it can both recharge and let you play at the same time. Of course it will also let you play if you hook it up to an outlet, but it seems more convenient plugging it to the console.

[n1n9tean]

To be accurate, one should say it ‘looks’ more comfortable, less attractive, to have better grip, etc. one shouldn’t bark out “it IS uncomfortable” when nobody has even touched it yet.

I also hope it is rechargeable. I absolutely hate buying and changing batteries. Gamers should just hook it up to an outlet to recharge. I also propose the idea I mentioned in the ‘Wireless everything’ thread of hooking up the controller to PS3 itself. That way it can both recharge and let you play at the same time. Of course it will also let you play if you hook it up to an outlet, but it seems more convenient plugging it to the console.

Don't worry about it being rechargable...it is for sure. Unfourtunatley I'm too sleepy to find a link at this hour so... I might dig it up tomorrow.

[Fazares]

To be accurate, one should say it ‘looks’ more comfortable, less attractive, to have better grip, etc. one shouldn’t bark out “it IS uncomfortable” when nobody has even touched it yet.

I also hope it is rechargeable. I absolutely hate buying and changing batteries. Gamers should just hook it up to an outlet to recharge. I also propose the idea I mentioned in the ‘Wireless everything’ thread of hooking up the controller to PS3 itself. That way it can both recharge and let you play at the same time. Of course it will also let you play if you hook it up to an outlet, but it seems more convenient plugging it to the console.

Don't worry about it being rechargable...it is for sure. Unfourtunatley I'm too sleepy to find a link at this hour so... I might dig it up tomorrow.
but the xbox360 pad uses aa batteries...i m scared :(

[trakais]

do you give a f**k about what xbox 1.5 uses ?

[martel]

To be accurate, one should say it ‘looks’ more comfortable, less attractive, to have better grip, etc. one shouldn’t bark out “it IS uncomfortable” when nobody has even touched it yet.

Agreed, the whole "Thsi pAd si de sUxx0r, OMFG!1LOLz!!!" thing is starting to irritate me. I feel like posting pictures of concept cars and asking which finished design will have the most ergonomic driving position, since we seem to have some members who can tell such things. How. Magic I suppose, it's certainly not logic.

I also hope it is rechargeable. I absolutely hate buying and changing batteries. Gamers should just hook it up to an outlet to recharge. I also propose the idea I mentioned in the ‘Wireless everything’ thread of hooking up the controller to PS3 itself. That way it can both recharge and let you play at the same time. Of course it will also let you play if you hook it up to an outlet, but it seems more convenient plugging it to the console.
There seems to be a move towards these consoles being permanent fixtures in your home; charging your controller when you're not playing, accessing your PS3 via your PSP when you're not at home, using the PS3 like a router etc, rather then the current turn it on when you fancy playing a game and then leave in collecting dust the rest of the time. Perhaps this is part of Ken's vision of the PS3 being some sort of central hub in the home.

[Omat128]

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=21696

Heres a pic of a guy holding it, it was in the PS message boards, it doesent look to bad in that pic. Much smaller than i initially thought.

[Domination]

To be accurate, one should say it ‘looks’ more comfortable, less attractive, to have better grip, etc. one shouldn’t bark out “it IS uncomfortable” when nobody has even touched it yet.

I also hope it is rechargeable. I absolutely hate buying and changing batteries. Gamers should just hook it up to an outlet to recharge. I also propose the idea I mentioned in the ‘Wireless everything’ thread of hooking up the controller to PS3 itself. That way it can both recharge and let you play at the same time. Of course it will also let you play if you hook it up to an outlet, but it seems more convenient plugging it to the console.

Don't worry about it being rechargable...it is for sure. Unfourtunatley I'm too sleepy to find a link at this hour so... I might dig it up tomorrow.
but the xbox360 pad uses aa batteries...i m scared :(

He was talking about Sony's pad (not Xbox 360). THAT controller won't infact, be rechargeable. Maybe Microsoft found it to be too expensive.

[Fazares]

To be accurate, one should say it ‘looks’ more comfortable, less attractive, to have better grip, etc. one shouldn’t bark out “it IS uncomfortable” when nobody has even touched it yet.

I also hope it is rechargeable. I absolutely hate buying and changing batteries. Gamers should just hook it up to an outlet to recharge. I also propose the idea I mentioned in the ‘Wireless everything’ thread of hooking up the controller to PS3 itself. That way it can both recharge and let you play at the same time. Of course it will also let you play if you hook it up to an outlet, but it seems more convenient plugging it to the console.

Don't worry about it being rechargable...it is for sure. Unfourtunatley I'm too sleepy to find a link at this hour so... I might dig it up tomorrow.
but the xbox360 pad uses aa batteries...i m scared :(

He was talking about Sony's pad (not Xbox 360). THAT controller won't infact, be rechargeable. Maybe Microsoft found it to be too expensive.
are you sure? and where did someone say ps3 pad would be rechargeable...thanks?

[Domination]

If THAT will be the controller that's going to ship with the 360, what makes you think it's going to be rechargeable? Why even include a battery compartment with a release switch for two AA batteries if they were planning on having the controller rechargeable? It doesn't make since. Throwing a lethium or battery pack into the thing would have been a lot easier.

Furthermore, from what we can see of the PS3 Dual Shock 3 controller, it has no visible compartment for batteries. Which means the battery must be in the inside of the controller. If that's the case, then most likely it's rechargeable. On top of that, Ken gave a speech at E3 pointing out that the battery would last up to 24 hours. I can't find the video right this second, but most likely, it's a battery pack or a lethium since they build them.

I'm sure there is a more direct source to confirm this, but I really don't feel like performing a search right now.

[Z]

what? :shock:
I can't believe that pic. that shows to things: the controller is not big. in fact it is small. maybe even smaller than DS2. the second thing is that PS3 is a lot smaller than I thought!

http://img120.echo.cx/img120/8738/14iw.jpg

thanks alot for the pic!

[imported_Hardcore Gamer]

Noob here. Personally, I don't like the look of the controller but I've never held it in my hands. So, your guess is as good as mine.

The whole DS2 concept is fine. I just want Sony to replace the R2 and L2 buttons with analog triggers, similar to that of the GCN's controller. The large grooves in the middle of those triggers are very comfortable on the index fingers.

[Domination]

http://www.retrogames.co.uk/stock/assets/images/Mach_-_Playstation_Controller_-_original.jpg

[n1n9tean]

what? :shock:
I can't believe that pic. that shows to things: the controller is not big. in fact it is small. maybe even smaller than DS2. the second thing is that PS3 is a lot smaller than I thought!

http://img120.echo.cx/img120/8738/14iw.jpg

thanks alot for the pic!

WOW! :shock: (I'll repost the picture since yours didn't show.)

This thing is miniscule!!!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/n1n9tean/mandohobbit8ky.jpg

[Media]

Keep in mind that this guy is not holding it properly. It looks smaller because his hands are in a position where they look like they are pinching.
I think that what can be derived from this picture is that the handles are slim, which is a good thing, IMO.

It does definately look smaller than expected, though.

[n1n9tean]

To be accurate, one should say it ‘looks’ more comfortable, less attractive, to have better grip, etc. one shouldn’t bark out “it IS uncomfortable” when nobody has even touched it yet.

I also hope it is rechargeable. I absolutely hate buying and changing batteries. Gamers should just hook it up to an outlet to recharge. I also propose the idea I mentioned in the ‘Wireless everything’ thread of hooking up the controller to PS3 itself. That way it can both recharge and let you play at the same time. Of course it will also let you play if you hook it up to an outlet, but it seems more convenient plugging it to the console.

Don't worry about it being rechargable...it is for sure. Unfourtunatley I'm too sleepy to find a link at this hour so... I might dig it up tomorrow.
but the xbox360 pad uses aa batteries...i m scared :(

He was talking about Sony's pad (not Xbox 360). THAT controller won't infact, be rechargeable. Maybe Microsoft found it to be too expensive.

360 will have the option of rechargable batteries though. (http://www.ps3portal.com/?view=article&article=106) (6th paragraph)

And as for where I heard the PS3 controllers are rechargable, it must have been from the actual press conference. I just did some searching and I found print at Gamespot that said things like "the controller will have a 24-hour battery life" (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125429/index.html) but I remeber hearing plainly that it will be rechargable. So, I was reading a froum on this subject at Gamestop and a guy said that Sony said it during their press conference. So I guess that's where I heard.

[Domination]

Keep in mind that this guy is not holding it properly. It looks smaller because his hands are in a position where they look like they are pinching.
I think that what can be derived from this picture is that the handles are slim, which is a good thing, IMO.

It does definately look smaller than expected, though.

That's exactly what I said as well when I saw it. Infact, if you have the original Dual Shock, try holding that at an angle. The handles, however, are a bit slimmer than what i had expected. I sure wish who ever held the controller didn't do it with gloves on. It makes their finger size a bit difficult to guess. Oh well, hopefully a better shot will come up in the future.

[Domination]

To be accurate, one should say it ‘looks’ more comfortable, less attractive, to have better grip, etc. one shouldn’t bark out “it IS uncomfortable” when nobody has even touched it yet.

I also hope it is rechargeable. I absolutely hate buying and changing batteries. Gamers should just hook it up to an outlet to recharge. I also propose the idea I mentioned in the ‘Wireless everything’ thread of hooking up the controller to PS3 itself. That way it can both recharge and let you play at the same time. Of course it will also let you play if you hook it up to an outlet, but it seems more convenient plugging it to the console.

Don't worry about it being rechargable...it is for sure. Unfourtunatley I'm too sleepy to find a link at this hour so... I might dig it up tomorrow.
but the xbox360 pad uses aa batteries...i m scared :(

He was talking about Sony's pad (not Xbox 360). THAT controller won't infact, be rechargeable. Maybe Microsoft found it to be too expensive.

360 will have the option of rechargable batteries though. (http://www.ps3portal.com/?view=article&article=106) (6th paragraph)

And as for where I heard the PS3 controllers are rechargable, it must have been from the actual press conference. I just did some searching and I found print at Gamespot that said things like "the controller will have a 24-hour battery life" (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125429/index.html) but I remeber hearing plainly that it will be rechargable. So, I was reading a froum on this subject at Gamestop and a guy said that Sony said it during their press conference. So I guess that's where I heard.

If they plan on supplying recharageable batteries, then I guess that would be correct. I was thinking that you had to purchase your own battery charager for the thing.

[lilkoy123]

WOW! :shock: This thing is miniscule!!!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/n1n9tean/mandohobbit8ky.jpg
Was Shaquille O'neil there at the press conference?? :D
I hope it is just the way the guy's holding it to make it small.

[Brandon]

The handles look a lot slimmer than I had imagined, which is a plus.

[Grandia]

Domination, I know it's a prototype, but Chatani also said he doesn't see it changing much.

I know that, but what I'm saying is the controller can still change as far as being attractive to those thinking otherwsie. I personally love the look of the controller. How the controller handles is anyones guess. But you can't go basing judgment on something that you haven't had any experience with. That's just silly.
I can still say it's ugly. :P

It needs a facelift in order to look attractive. But on a more serious note, look on the controller, on the DPad. Doesn't the left (button?) seem a little over the edge?

Yes, and that would be your opinion. And no, the left directional point isn't
on the edge. The controller is sorta round; therefore, the face functions
are set at an angle to allow comfort.

BTW, here's a prototype of the PSP followed buy its final design:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/media/1233.jpg
Larger Size (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/news/11/04/pspnews_screen001.jpg)

http://us.games2.yimg.com/download.games.yahoo.com/games/buzz/content/p/3/58343/face.jpg
Back (http://us.games2.yimg.com/download.games.yahoo.com/games/buzz/content/p/2/58342/back.jpg)

Do not worry yourself about what Sony is doing. Just let them work. They
have been doing this for many years beyond your time. Also note that the