PS3 Controller

[Domination]

This reminds me of the graphics debate two years ago: because Half
Life 2 looked so good, people thought there is noway that games could possibly get any
better - at least in such a short period. In other words, what you're really saying is, if it's not broken,
then why fix it? If that were the case before, then we would not have Half
Life 2 nor the Dual Shock.

The only problem I see here is your fear of not wanting to accept
anything new. The controller is a prototype, and yet you have already
passed judgement on it.

[shagawi]

compared by xbox or gamecube controllers DS is the best, even if I play for two hours.

I can tell that the new controller will be better.

[Metal Sphere]

This reminds me of the graphics debate two years ago: because the Half
Life 2 looked so good, there is noway that games could possibly get any
better? In other words, what you're really saying is, if it's not broken,
then don't fix it. If that were the case before, then we would not have Half
Life 2 nor the Dual Shock.


Wow, that's an amazing example. Considering FF:TSW utterly stomps on Half-Life 2's graphics no one in hell would ever say that. Until we've reached and surpassed that level of graphics in-game, graphics will continue to get better. What I'm saying is don't make radical changes to a tried and true design. When you do "fix it" so drastically it's more likely that you'll end up with a final product worse than what you started out with. This is the case with the new controller


The only problem I see here is your fear of not wanting to accept
anything new. The controller is a prototype, and yet you have already
passed judgement on it.

Just looking at the curvature of the controller, the close placement of the shoulder buttons, the M&M sized face buttons and the analog sticks set so close it looks like the controller's cross-eyed you can tell it's no good. Simple, put your hands in the position that the controller is likely to put you in and you'll see it's a convoluted design.

[Domination]

This reminds me of the graphics debate two years ago: because the Half
Life 2 looked so good, there is noway that games could possibly get any
better? In other words, what you're really saying is, if it's not broken,
then don't fix it. If that were the case before, then we would not have Half
Life 2 nor the Dual Shock.


Wow, that's an amazing example. Considering FF:TSW utterly stomps on Half-Life 2's graphics no one in hell would ever say that. Until we've reached and surpassed that level of graphics in-game, graphics will continue to get better. What I'm saying is don't make radical changes to a tried and true design. When you do "fix it" so drastically it's more likely that you'll end up with a final product worse than what you started out with. This is the case with the new controller


The only problem I see here is your fear of not wanting to accept
anything new. The controller is a prototype, and yet you have already
passed judgement on it.

Just looking at the curvature of the controller, the close placement of the
shoulder buttons, the M&M sized face buttons and the analog sticks set so
close it looks like the controller's cross-eyed you can tell it's no good.
Simple, put your hands in the position that the controller is likely to put
you in and you'll see it's a convoluted design.

First off, I was in a really big rush. So that first paragraph may sound a
bit screwy. I'll have to edit it later.

Anyway, I don't think you're understanding me properly. My analogy for
Half Life is how you view the Dual Shock controller. In other words, it's a
blind spot that you can't seem to look pass. When confortable or perfect
comes to mind, you think Dual Shock. Well, this is how people saw Half
Life at one point. But later on in the end, they found that Half Life wasn't
as impressive as they may have thought of it to be when compared to
something much richer. Yes, the Dual Shock is a great controller, but it
has it's flaws as well. Infact, there is already a controller that is said to be
even better than the Dual Shock. Which means that it isn't as perfect as
you may think and that there is still room for much improvement to the
design.

And again, you are judging a controller based on its concept. How can
you possibly make a point when the controller is not final? As I said
earlier, it is your own fear of change that makes this issue more than
what it actually is.

[Metal Sphere]

And again, you are judging a controller based on its concept. How can
you possibly make a point when the controller is not final? As I said
earlier, it is your own fear of change that makes this issue more than
what it actually is.

Because Chatani mentioned, that while it's only a concept only minor changes were going to be made to the controller. I don't know about you, but button placement and an overall body change isn't going to fall under "minor". That's why I'm basing it off the concept, seeing as he damn near said it was final with that comment.

[Domination]

And again, you are judging a controller based on its concept. How can
you possibly make a point when the controller is not final? As I said
earlier, it is your own fear of change that makes this issue more than
what it actually is.

Because Chatani mentioned, that while it's only a concept only minor changes were going to be made to the controller. I don't know about you, but button placement and an overall body change isn't going to fall under "minor". That's why I'm basing it off the concept, seeing as he damn near said it was final with that comment.

Minor changes in his definition could be bigger than what you think. There
was also a recent interview where one of the interviewees stated that
what was seen of the controller is just a concept after the comment
(People weren't very fund of the new controller) was blurted out or at
least something that pertained very close to was was written. There is
little to debate without the final design.

[Coded-Dude]

Well, I'd just like to point out that the playstion is widely recognized as the BEST console there is period.
Sales figures speak for themselves.........and though you may not "like" what the controller looks like, that doesn't speak for its comfortablility in gameplay.
I can guarantee you Sony will NOT going to make a shit controller!

Obviously there are people who aren't going to like it (you can please everyone) but I believe most of the massive userbase of playstation gamers will not only accept it but love it.
This thread though, interesting at times, is mostly new or different people all ranting the same thing.

Until you have personally taken the controller for a test drive you cannot pass legitimate judgment. :?

oh yeah, one more thing............WELCOME CHANG3! :wink:

[Z]

changes in his definition could be bigger than what you think
true. Chitani is the head of techonolgy at SCE. When he’s talking about the controller, He’s putting in mind a reading above the controller and not just the cover plastic. He’s talking about the electronics inside, the mechanism behind it, The layout, conflagration, etc. for him the cover is just a cover.
and though you may not "like" what the controller looks like, that doesn't speak for its comfortablility in gameplay.
Very true. Some may say the DualShock is almost perfect. Well it’s not possible to make the millions of gamers worldwide completely satisfied with one design. But for me the DualShock is perfect. And about the new controller I couldn’t be more excited in fact I Morita but these “minor” Changes will actually end up changing this impressive design. For me I love the new design and I couldn’t be more eager to try it.

I can guarantee you Sony will NOT going to make a shit controller!

Certainly. You think they waited ten years to change the controller just to make it worse?

To articulate my excitement for the new design, Here’s an explanation:

For me, the new design is in fact the good ol’ DS. Everything is the same. In fact, we haven’t been told that there is anything new about it in functions. The PS2 DS had pressure sensitive buttons along with minor enhancements as better analog control and a longer cord. The PS3’s controller has a rechargeable in-built battery. I absolutely hate buying and replacing batteries, so that is a huge plus for me. You can use it wirelessly or connect it to PS3 to turn it into a normal, wired controller while it recharges. The buttons are glassy (transparent) and the overall look of the controller is highly stylish and smart.

About the cover or outer design and grip; it is still the DS only with smoothing out the hard edges and angles that are considered ‘old’ fashion in the new smart and sleek looks of future designs, especially in electronics.

[warmachine]

I think noone can say if the new design is heaven or hell, before he hasn't got that thing in his own hands.

But some other questions are bothering me:

Will the controller have DualShock? (Is it vibrating?)
Will the controller have analog Shoulderbuttons?
And do the batterys recharge if the controller is plugged in, but the console on stand by?

[lshian]

Sony has made us the best controller for us before. I would consider the next or the new controller wont be that bad. I dont mind the look as long I could feel good and fit my hand. Before I use to SNES controller, when I got my new Playstation I feel the Sony joypap was bad, with so much buttons laying around(L2 R2) and the sign button, what a mess. When get to use to it, I feel wonderful with this buttons.

[Z]

Will the controller have DualShock? (Is it vibrating?)

of course it will. rumble feedback is a standard now in any controller.


Will the controller have analog Shoulderbuttons?

analogs are the sticks on the face of the controller that you move in a 360 circle. the shoulders are the 4 buttons (the L1,2 and R1,2) and yes, the new controller has this. you can see it in some of the pics.



And do the batterys recharge if the controller is plugged in, but the console on stand by?

I don't see why not. in fact, connecting to PS3 maybe the only way of charging the contoller. in this case, it wouldn't be practicle to expect gamers to leave theri consoles turned on to recharge when the aren't around playing it.
and this is not only when charging, PSP will also be able to connect wirelessly to PS3 from anywhere on the planet. why should you leave your PS3 turned on when you go for a 2 week vacation to be able to access it through your PSP?

[shagawi]

Will the conroller has an indicator to show which player you are? if it's not I doubt this design is complete.

I should notice that xbox 360 has one.

[Lumine]

Will the controller have analog Shoulderbuttons?

analogs are the sticks on the face of the controller that you move in a 360 circle. the shoulders are the 4 buttons (the L1,2 and R1,2) and yes, the new controller has this. you can see it in some of the pics.

Z, actually analog refers to the ability for the button to have verying degrees of "pressedness." The thumbsticks are analog in that pressing it slightly to the right gives different input than pushing it completely to the right. For the DS2 the front buttons were analog as well (if anyone played the recent madden or NCAA football games, if you pushed the throw button completely it would throw a bullet while a softer press would throw a lob). I can't recall whether the shoulder buttons were analog, but I am inclined to say they weren't.

[Z]

all the buttons on the Dual Shock 2 are 'pressure sensitive' except Start and Select, obviously. so the same will go for the new controller as well.

about gamer No. indication; I am sure they have to put something. remembert hat we don't know much about PS3.

now, what is interesting in X2's controller is that you can turn the console on and off. that is a good feature. I hope PS3's controller does the same.

[Fats]

now, what is interesting in X2's controller is that you can turn the console on and off. that is a good feature. I hope PS3's controller does the same.

I've said time and time again that I'd really like to see Sony implement that feature on the PS3 controller. It would definitely be a great feature when you can't be arsed getting out of bed at 3:30 in the morning after a long session of MGS 4! :)

[Domination]

You notice we get lazier everyday. They give us cars and we still complain. Now we need cruse controller. We have become so spoiled that we take a lot of thing for granted. I love it. I could see it right now, 75% of the human population dies of overweight. :lol:

[Lumine]

You notice we get lazier everyday. They give us cars and we still complain. Now we need cruse controller. We have become so spoiled that we take a lot of thing for granted. I love it. I could see it right now, 75% of the human population dies of overweight. :lol:

Hey now. You can't expect me to take responsibility for my own actions, especially for my own eating habits when there are all these commercials around.

[black_13]

Sorry if this was posted already but I looked around at the threat titles and didn't see anything.

Although the release date of the PlayStation 3 remains a closely guarded secret, Sony has been less reticent in drumming up developer support for the nascent format. This afternoon session at the Game Developer Conference Europe event in London was relatively short on new information but provided a useful overview of the system architecture and the development tools Sony intends to provide for its developers.

The sole speaker for the session was George Bain, the Developer Support Manager at SCEE (Sony Computer Entertainment Europe) Technology Group. He started by giving a quick recap of the PlayStation 3's technical specifications, apparently using figures taken directly from press releases originally released at E3. Bain joked about the description on one of his slides, describing the new console as a “system utilizing the Cell processor with super computer like power”, but insisted that despite the marketing spiel the description was accurate.

After running through the statistics for the Cell processor and NVidia's RSX GPU (Graphics Processing Unit), Bain paused to discuss the new controllers in more detail. He reiterated that the new boomerang designs were concepts only and were not necessarily representative of the final retail models. He clarified too, that the odd numbered limit of seven wireless controllers per console were a product of the way in which Bluetooth 2.0 operates, where the console itself is considered to be the eighth device in the network.

In answer to a later question from the audience Bain admitted that the wireless signal could be interfered with by another nearby PlayStation 3 console and in those instances where many consoles would be close by, such as at a LAN party, it would be necessary to default to using wired controllers via the console's USB ports. It was also mentioned that keyboards, mice and other devices could also be used as games controllers but that Sony would always insist that any game could also be controlled with the default controller.

Bain also touched upon the PlayStation 3's removable hard drive, confirming that Sony did consider it an important peripheral, but saying that the company had not yet decided its price, its size or – most importantly – whether it would be bundled with the console or available only as a stand alone extra.

Moving on from the basic technical specifications of the PlayStation 3, Bain referenced the Cell Broadband Engine documentation recently made public by IBM and Sony. In doing so he emphasized the impressive bus speed of greater than 200GB/sec or 25.6GB/sec for each device, making for an external bandwidth faster than current high specification PCs.

Concerning the individual SPEs (Synergistic Processing Elements) of the Cell chip, Bain emphasized that it was no longer necessary to program in assembly language to achieve superior performance, although this did still exist as an option. In response to an audience question it was also confirmed that although each Cell chip will feature eight SPEs this was purely to guarantee seven working elements – even if the eighth SPE did work it would be fused during the manufacturing process and could not be used in any way.

As Bain began to move on to the topic of actual development techniques for the PlayStation 3 he quoted the famous Spider-Man line of “With great power comes great responsibility”, in apparent reference to Sony's determination to provide as much technical support as possible to developers. As Phil Harrison had said earlier in the day, he acknowledged that the PlayStation 2 had proven difficult to program for and assured the audience that Sony had learnt its lesson. Bain suggested that this was one reason for using NVidia's graphics technology, since it would enable the use of more widely familiar APIs. OpenGL ES, described as a lightweight subset of OpenGL, was being used for the same reason and was part of what was explained as a very different approach to graphics when compared to the PlayStation 2.

Although no PlayStation 3 development kit was present at GDC Europe, Bain did show a few slides from the E3 duck demo before moving on to the topic of development tools. This was perhaps the most interesting aspect of the session with a major SDK update promised that would include all existing PlayStation tools as well as fully licensed versions of physics tools Havok Complete and AGEIA's NovodeX. These will be available free to use for developers and will require no additional licensing fee to publish games using the technology.

After admitting that the PlayStation 2's default compiler was “rubbish”, Bain also indicated that SN System's new compiler would also be included in the SDK, along with support for (but not free licensing of) Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3. He emphasized that the Unreal Engine 3 demo shown at E3 was “real” and proceeded to display some new screenshots using the engine which if they were, as claimed, real-time were certainly on a par with the kind of imagery seen in the infamous E3 Killzone demonstration.

Bain ended the session by encouraging the attendees to register as PlayStation 3 developers, suggesting that current PlayStation developers talk to their local third party account manager and that those European developers new to the PlayStation range should visit the SCEE developer website or the more general SCE site.

Source (http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050901/jenkins_01.shtml)

:rockon: Sounds great. The LAN part is a bit of a let down, especially if you have to buy new wired controlers for LAN games as to just getting a USB cable and connecting it.

[xbdestroya]

Well, he's not saying the controller *will* be different, he's just saying that the present ones are simply concepts.

[n1n9tean]

well I always figured you could just attach a cord and I slightly recall Sony saying you could.....but notice the port on top of the PS3 controller...could be a mini-B port.

[xbdestroya]

Well here's what I found interesting - wired controller? I didn't even think USB controllers would be an option whatsoever. Are they going to be seperate SKU's or are the wireless ones going to be able to be plugged in with use of a usb cord?

[black_13]

Well, he's not saying the controller *will* be different, he's just saying that the present ones are simply concepts.
Well with all the rather negative feedback I've seen about the controler, he obviously said that to insure that they are making changes.

[xbdestroya]

Well with all the rather negative feedback I've seen about the controler, he obviously said that to insure that they are making changes.

Well I don't know that it's *obvious*, though I grant it's possible. They certainly are indicating thet they're at least thinking about it. But for them to have come up with it in the first place, I don't know... maybe it's comfortable.

[Yo MaMa84]

Not sure where i read it, but an article from E3 said the PS3 controller as a USB port on it so you can plug it into the console when you need to charge it and if you just wanna play with it wired.

[tazz3]

i had a feeling sony would change desgin for the controller.
I bet its done all ready done. they will show it off at the tgs.

[OutlawAdidas]

All I'm hearing is, trouble and more money for consumers

[Grandia]

All he is saying is that it may not be the final controller, not really saying it's being redesigned.

[Black Dragon37]

Sony are following Microsoft by making wired controllers?

I thought this next-ganeration consoles were to steer clear from wired controllers? This is 8V11$#!+ !

[Jasonps3]

Well the good news (If it is good news) is that they still haven't decided on the hard drive issue.

[Grandia]

About the entire wired controllers issue dont you have to plug in the ps3 controllers to charge them?

[Hardcore Gamer]

Sony are following Microsoft by making wired controllers?

I thought this next-ganeration consoles were to steer clear from wired controllers? This is 8V11$#!+ !
Not everyone wants to deal with the hassle of wireless controllers (i.e. changing batteries, recharging, etc). Personally, I prefer wired controllers over wireless controllers.

[Ducey]

As far as I know. They will be wireless as standard.
You can charge them from a standard USB cable.
You can play them on the cable.

Why else would it have 6 usb ports hmm?

[venomv]

What I heard is that it accualy supports 8 controls. 7 wireless and 1 wired.

[Scrilla]

Can Sony do backwards-compatibility with controllers as well? That would be a cool and simple thing to do

[RzrWire]

Well here's what I found interesting - wired controller? I didn't even think USB controllers would be an option whatsoever. Are they going to be seperate SKU's or are the wireless ones going to be able to be plugged in with use of a usb cord?

I believe the way Sony's setting things up with the controller is you have three choices. When you buy the controller it will be a lot like a rechargeable electric shaver, no fussing with batteries; all you have to do is plug it in to recharge it. I am almost certain the way you recharge the battery in the controller is:

1) Charging Station

2) By way of a USB cable attached to the PS3 itself also making it a wired controller for LAN or regular play

3) Or both.

Either way you will need a Charging Station or USB cables to charge these things. I personally believe the PS3 will be the Charging Station which forces you to buy 1 or more USB cables. Why else have 4 USB ports on the front of the PS3? Not everyone will be using PC joysticks and keyboards. The USB ports are also there for 4 wired USB controllers so 4 people can play together on 1 or 2 42" 1080P Plasma TV's or at a LAN party! I found a pic of the back of the PS3 controller. You can clearly see the single USB port on the back of it. :spiny: So does this mean you can then play with 7 wireless controllers and 6 wired controllers since the PS3 has 6 USB ports!? Probably not but who knows.

Originally Posted by Scrilla
Can Sony do backwards-compatibility with controllers as well? That would be a cool and simple thing to do


From the way things look Sony has no plans of supporting the old controllers on the new system. Maybe 3rd party controller manufacturers will come up with a connection device but I highly doubt it.

[julps31]

Thats some good news if thats the case. I always was warry (spelling?) about a controller without a cord.

[venomv]

I've never liked anything wireless, mainly because I have 4 younger brothers and sisters who like to throw stuff when they loss to me in games.

[Metal Sphere]

The 4 USB ports on the front could easily by the ports for a USB device that allows for the use of Dual Shock 2/Dual Shock controllers and the older memory cards.

[Killing Moon]

Well, for the most part, it looks like good news. Especially about that controller; it was a designing nightmare. Hopefully they'll give MAJOR positive changes to this atrocious design.

[Metal Sphere]

Look at the prototype Playstation controllers, and you can see we're in for a greatly removed model in the end:

http://www.axess.com/twilight/console/detail/ps_proto.jpg

http://www.axess.com/twilight/console/detail/ps_prot2.jpg

[black_13]

^^^That's some ugly controler. But that makes even more likely for the controler to get a complete redesign.

I believe the way Sony's setting things up with the controller is you have three choices. When you buy the controller it will be a lot like a rechargeable electric shaver, no fussing with batteries; all you have to do is plug it in to recharge it. I am almost certain the way you recharge the battery in the controller is:

1) Charging Station

2) By way of a USB cable attached to the PS3 itself also making it a wired controller for LAN or regular play

3) Or both.

Either way you will need a Charging Station or USB cables to charge these things. I personally believe the PS3 will be the Charging Station which forces you to buy 1 or more USB cables. Why else have 4 USB ports on the front of the PS3? Not everyone will be using PC joysticks and keyboards. The USB ports are also there for 4 wired USB controllers so 4 people can play together on 1 or 2 42" 1080P Plasma TV's or at a LAN party! I found a pic of the back of the PS3 controller. You can clearly see the single USB port on the back of it. :spiny: So does this mean you can then play with 7 wireless controllers and 6 wired controllers since the PS3 has 6 USB ports!? Probably not but who knows.

Nice find. That pic clears that up at least. Your already wireless controler can easily dub as a wired controler with a simple USB cable add-on.

[rpgamer_2k5]

I got a hard time discerning if that thing is a controller or a piece of dog sh*t lying around a junction. I got go on, but I must say: We are so lucky that such garbage wasn't included with the original Playstation.

[venomv]

We are lucky, but both of those are pretty close to what accualy came out.

[Metal Sphere]

Not as close as you think though. The shapes are similar, but there are tons of things that were changed before the controller we all know came to be. And then, when you compare it to the Dual Shock these controllers are even farther off.

My hopes have been lifted on the PS3 controller front.

[n1n9tean]

that port on the top of the PS3 prototype controller definately looks like mini-B....

[The_One]

It was also mentioned that keyboards, mice and other devices could also be used as games controllers but that Sony would always insist that any game could also be controlled with the default controller. Wrong move, Sony. You should have copied Microsoft. Now there will be retards running around in FPS games with a mouse and keyboard "0wnz0ring j00 @ss".

[Illmatic]

^I'll be one of them, keyboard and a mouse should always be first preference when it comes down to FPS. I take it that PS3 will have support for most USB m/k's, so if the ownage gets too bad, just get a k/m, or just use your comp ones ; )
I'm sure anyone who's into FPS games console/PC, would go the k/m route given the option.

[Metal Sphere]

Wrong move, Sony. You should have copied Microsoft. Now there will be retards running around in FPS games with a mouse and keyboard "0wnz0ring j00 @ss".

AFAIK, the PS1 and PS2 supported keyboards and mice and look how far that went. FPSes are not a big genre on Sony's consoles and there aren't many indications that point towards them supporting it beyond this announcement.

[Domination]

Sony are following Microsoft by making wired controllers?

I thought this next-ganeration consoles were to steer clear from wired controllers? This is 8V11$#!+ !

:spit: There are four USB ports on the front of the console and two in the back. Did you really think those ports would be used for everything else except for the controllers?

To Xbox Destroyer, I was thinking the USB wire would be seperate from the controller to better suit those using it wirelessly without having to worry about the cord all over the place while still having to option to charge and play with it once the battery goes low. It is something I predicted to be the most convenient solution a long, long time ago.

[Domination]

AFAIK, the PS1 and PS2 supported keyboards and mice and look how far that went. FPSes are not a big genre on Sony's consoles and there aren't many indications that point towards them supporting it beyond this announcement.

That's one of the reasons I have enjoyed the PlayStation series so much: it didn't focus too much on one type of genre.

As far as mice and keyboards being supported on the last consoles go, I doubt it was anything other than a flashy gimmick. As a matter a fact, I found it a bit difficult to spot them on shelves, which leaves me to believe the peripheral was never really pushed. Hopefully, the next one won't repeat itself.

[Metal Sphere]

That's one of the reasons I have enjoyed the PlayStation series so much: it didn't focus too much on one type of genre.

As far as mice and keyboards being supported on the last consoles go, I doubt it was anything other than a flashy gimmick. As a matter a fact, I found it a bit difficult to spot them on shelves, which leaves me to believe the peripheral was never really pushed. Hopefully, the next one won't repeat itself.

That's why the Dual Shock is a general purpose controller, and the same reason why most Xbox fans I've met dislike it, because it doesn't excel in the madly popular genres that have thrived on the Xbox (FPS and Racing).

We may see added support, if only because of there'll be more of an online feature (and a Linux OS supposedly).

[Z]

personally, the PS3 controller is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I checked it from different angles and it looks to be the most confortable controller ever made. again, I stress the notion that this controller is designed for your hands not your eyes. you won't wear it around your neck, so it wouldn't matter if it 'looked' ugly. what matter is if it would 'feel' confortable and 'handle' great.

on the mouse/keyboard support; this isn't news really, it is expected after all. about some gamers getting an advantage because of this, well then get one your self. Sony said that ALL PS3 games must support the standard controller. though a mouse/keyboard are more precise and quicker in FPS, I prefer a controller. that is why I can't get into PC gaming no matter how much I want to.

another thing is what about all the other different genre? a controller suits all of them fine, but not a mouse/keyboard. I am thinking of getting them for online chatting, surfing, blogging? etc.

-PS: thanks Metal Sphere for the PSOne concepts. this is the first time I have seen them. I wonder if the PSOne and PS2 consoles had concept designs as well? I would really want to see how both looked initially.

and about redesigning, I think Sony always shows a concept first, then a better looking design later on. look at PSP. tht is why I think TGS will show a PS3 redesign- not just for the controller, but for the console as wel.

[raVen]

props to Z for thinking on the exact same wave length as me... Dont chang3 the controller!

Another thing pc gamers always say the Keyboard is superior to the controller... what exactly are they basing that on, I say bring it on i'll show you what me and my controller can do.

[Z]

Another thing pc gamers always say the Keyboard is superior to the controller... what exactly are they basing that on, I say bring it on i'll show you what me and my controller can do.
lol I'm with you! we'll show those PC geeks how it's really done!

about the mouse/keyboard advantage; they are faster and more precise to use in aiming, think FPS. another advantage for them is RTS. I am sory to say that no controller can ever come against those two in that kind of game. I think the control difficulty of a console RTS using a controller is the main reason why it may be the lest genre on consoles.

[Black Dragon37]

What's RTS? Real-time Strategy?

[version]

http://web.axelero.hu/varga1973/cont.JPG

[Metal Sphere]

Yeah, RTS stands for Real Time Strategy.

[Z]

http://web.axelero.hu/varga1973/cont.JPG

I think that concept is what Sony was talking about of making a controller for one handed people. i don't know if the already released this controller but it is a wounderful and thoughtful idea. think about what happens when you brake your hand/arm and can't use it for a month or two. I would go crazy if I didn't game...unless there is good anime that is.

[Crossbar]

More applications for new eyetoy it seems. :-)
Would be nice if it came bundled with the console, but guess that is not likely if they made this a reality. May be the february surprise as hinted.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26688

[NanoNils]

I've seen a similar article:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7890&feedId=online-news_rss20
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/ForsakenFiles/magicwand.png

This just boggles my mind...I don't know what to think of this.

[D3adcell]

Son of a bitch i can see a lawsuit over this. If it is something like the revolution controller I am going to go ape shit and never buy another sony product.

[Mach]

You've got to be kidding me. Pathetic.

[Mathx]

well...at least the wand doesn't have buttons or haptic feedback.

[Coded-Dude]

Son of a bitch i can see a lawsuit over this. If it is something like the revolution controller I am going to go ape shit and never buy another sony product.
um, how do you know that Sony did not patent this idea first?
just curious.........

[indiekid4]

um, how do you know that Sony did not patent this idea first?
just curious.........

The thing is he doesn't. He is just assuming like most Nintendo fanboys are doing. It says Sony patent "the Wand" back on Dec 2004.

[sif]

Son of a bitch i can see a lawsuit over this. If it is something like the revolution controller I am going to go ape shit and never buy another sony product.

As I remember the wand was patented around 99. Upon hearing this, are you gonna abandon all Ninty products? just curious.

[indiekid4]

Son of a bitch i can see a lawsuit over this. If it is something like the revolution controller I am going to go ape shit and never buy another sony product.


hahahaha....silly kid. IT'S ONLY A GAMING SYSTEM! did you know that millions of people are starving every day? Did you know that our Military is over in Iraq fighting for your right to be a little prissy over a Wand like controller that happens to look like Nintendos silly controller?

relax. and really WHO GIVES A FLYING F***

[Mathx]

Wow...I never knew that Saddam Hussein threatened to destroy every video game system and replace it with his "Mecca Station"


If Nintendo can sue they will sue, but if Sony makes the wand different than the Revolution controller (ie no buttons, no Yaw and Pitch feedback from the wand and no haptic feedback) Sony is free from sin...

I wanna see what Microsoft will try and do, will they sit on the side-lines and mock Sony for copying, or try to build something of their own...

[Domination]

Son of a bitch i can see a lawsuit over this. If it is something like the revolution controller I am going to go ape shit and never buy another sony product.

For the Eye Toy, not to mention the date it was patented? C'mon... If that was the case, i could probably see a law suit filed against Nintendo for the Conga Drums since Sony had them first but not entirely the same. The both of them are very innovative, as I pointed out a dozen times before. Therefore, I see no reason to write neither side off.

[Michael]

You know, this likely turned or should I say evolved into the eye toy for one, and another thing, just because a company makes a fucking patent doesn't mean they'll use it, we see it countless times, hell if nintendo used all there patents to there fullest extent, then you probably see something like 600$ for cube, 800 for rev. Same with Ps2 and Ps3, and it'd be upwards of a high end pc.

[Bloodman]

Sony will never make it, neither will Microsoft. Let all fanboys sleep.

[TEEDA]

http://research.microsoft.com/%7Eawilson/wand/default.htm

the same research by microsoft it seems ...

[Generic Wheaties]

What's pathetic is how everyone thought Nintendo was innovative for their controller. Haha.

[Phoenix]

I don't see what all this fuss is about, they're very different.

[OnBake Platinum]

This was probably something planned from when the Eye Toy was being thought up.

[tazz3]

I hope sony dont replace the ps3 controller with this thing lol

[Darkon]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of you Nintendo fuckers think that Nintendo created the universe

[Michael]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of you Nintendo fuckers think that Nintendo created the universe
Wow, you are one completely stupid and immature member. I wouldn't be surpised if you think your trying to be cool by flaming. When in truth you'll likely be banned from E-mpire in about 4 posts. Keep up the good work of bringing the community down, extra credit points for flaming back.

[Dwhitten]

The thing is he doesn't. He is just assuming like most Nintendo fanboys are doing. It says Sony patent "the Wand" back on Dec 2004. That statement is bogus. D3adCell is not a fanboy for your information. He owns all consoles and he leans more towards Xbox more than anything.

Anyways I think Sony has every right to run with an idea like this but I highly doubt they put as much thought and technology as Nintendo has for it's controller. The reason I say this is simply because this isn't Sony's main controller for most of it's games like Nintendo is making for the Revolution.


Sony has put it's main energy in their main system controller.

[Phoenix]

The EyeToy sucks bad at tracking motion in many of the ways they want you to use to play the games. The wand is more like making it track your hand very well than it is like what Nintendo's doing. The EyeWand or whatever they decide to call it will probobly not be capable of most of the things the Revolution can do, so there's no need to argue.

[KiLLA2006]

The EyeToy sucks bad at tracking motion in many of the ways they want you to use to play the games. The wand is more like making it track your hand very well than it is like what Nintendo's doing. The EyeWand or whatever they decide to call it will probobly not be capable of most of the things the Revolution can do, so there's no need to argue.

thats the exact reason to argue, by putting down a ps3 product, and hyping a ninty product that is the exact reason to argue, because people dont agree, i dont agree... i think this will be interesting i cannot wait for this to be announced (assuming it will be)i hated nintys controller because it looked uncomfortable, but i will get my revolution when it ships :cheers:

[rpgamer_2k5]

Even if Sony 'copied' the Revolution controller, the games will certainly not be the same. SNES, Nintendo 64, GBA, Gamecube were not different from the competing consoles, but it had a large number of games not available on the non-Nintendo consoles. Besides, it's all about competition, it would be better off if Sony and MS were to release products to counter the Revolution's controller.

I could care less about the firms, it's just about me being happy. Take Microsoft for example, their Windows OS is garbage, the Xbox was poorly concieved but the number of titles (third-party ofcourse :) were stellar, hence I purchased it. The PS3, Xbox 360 and Revolution will be in my inventory (along with the PSP, eventually...), because each of them are great consoles. The PS3 however has the Cell and the RSX, hence making it a very special console. :)

BTW, one can dogmatically support a certain console, even if they own all three of them. I find the Xbox hardware as trash, the controller especially, but I still purchased it. The N64's controller was not my best friend, and I usually favoured the PSX since a larger number of RPGs were available. When one has the money, they are going to purchase all the consoles. Those that just purchase one console and bash the other consoles are just wasting their time. ;)

[KiLLA2006]

...Those that just purchase one console and bash the other consoles are just wasting their time. ;)

exactly, well said... im getting all three, but waiting on x360 for price drop, or until they actually release the system they want to release none of this first shipment dvd-9, then ps3 release hd-dvd i can wait on that, ill preorder both rev and ps3 because theres no tricks involved... :smoke:

[Viper]

Ease up on the flaming from both sides. I'm trying to save you from yoru own ignorance. Thank you.



After reviwing the patent myself, the idea of pointing light at a TV for input has been around for decades...even Nintendo's light gun and other earlier Nintendo arcade machines in Japan did that. All this does is take it a single step up. Even Eye Toy has more functionality than this.

[masonite]

flame me if i'm wrong, but didn't nintendo keep their controller under tight wraps so that no-one could copy it? didn't it only become public a couple of weeks ago?
and in this time, sony are supposed to have completely copied the design of the rev controller....i don't think so.

oh, and by the way, if sony have a patent, then their design is inherently different from nintendo's - you can't have two opposing companies patenting the exact same design.

[Viper]

1. I'm not flaming you. I'm trying to keep people from flaming anyone.
2. Of course Sony didn't copy the design since the patent was filed before the unveiling at TGS.
3. You are correct in that they are completely different products.

[Illmatic]

Seems these days there's only ever heated discussions, people are so defensive :laugh:

The stress next gen will cause has been underestimated :susp:

[masonite]

1. I'm not flaming you. I'm trying to keep people from flaming anyone.
2. Of course Sony didn't copy the design since the patent was filed before the unveiling at TGS.
3. You are correct in that they are completely different products.

sorry vipe, i wasn't insinuating that you were flaming me, it was more a reply to previous posts. i'll remember to use quote marks next time.... :-[

[Teh Roxor!]

...those two things are nothing alike. But I bet most of you noticed that already.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Even if Sony did make this thing a while ago, right after the Revolution controller is unvieled, this thing pops up. Thats why Nintendo fans are getting upset.

[masonite]

Even if Sony did make this thing a while ago, right after the Revolution controller is unvieled, this thing pops up. Thats why Nintendo fans are getting upset.


it's a fairly smart move by sony. nintendo hype their new controller design, make everyone drool in anticipation, unveil it.....

and then sony says "oh yeh, we thought of that ages ago, see?"

[venomv]

But it wasn't Sony, the media brought it up, and it was in the patent office for anyone to see. Not Sony's fault that people went looking for it after the rev control came out.

[Infernal]

What I don't understand is why people care if Sony copies the controller or if they thought of it first. I mean if both the PS3 and Rev have a controller like this, would it make the controller for the Rev any less fun? Of course not, its just the same with multiplatform games, I mean when they switched GTA from just PS to XBOX as well, GTA didn't suddenly become less entertaining, just more people were enjoying it.

[digital neXus]

I just want a normal controler, not some Magic Wands for Fairies. The original Shape is just fine.
Afterall I dont' want to spend entire my life playing just one game.

[Viper]

What I don't understand is why people care if Sony copies the controller or if they thought of it first. I mean if both the PS3 and Rev have a controller like this, would it make the controller for the Rev any less fun? Of course not, its just the same with multiplatform games, I mean when they switched GTA from just PS to XBOX as well, GTA didn't suddenly become less entertaining, just more people were enjoying it.
They care because that controller is Nintendo's lifeline to staying in the console business.




Ddigital neXus, look at thsi mock up of an attachment Nintendo will be releasing. You get the best of both worlds.


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/Shell.jpg

[Dwhitten]

Yeah that shell looks sexy but too Gamecubish. They should make the shell look like the N64's.

[Illmatic]

Yeah that shell looks sexy but too Gamecubish. They should make the shell look like the N64's.


It's supposed to resemble the GC controller, it's for playing your GC games via backwards compatibility. Anyway, N64 controller over the GC?? no, just.......no. :laugh:

[rpgamer_2k5]

Anyway, N64 controller over the GC?? no, just.......no.
What else can I say?

You see the Light. You are God! O_O

=^D

That Revolution controller, above is excellent. It needs to be a lot less bulkier and Nintendo is set.

[venomv]

It's a mock-up, done by IGN I think, so it might end up looking nothing like that.

[KiLLA2006]

im sorry if it seemed like im flamin vipe, didnt mean it friends... anywho i liked the mock really got me excited aout the nintendo rev, lets just hoe it comes to light, because i can see playing games wit this kinda controller

[Moses]

Son of a bitch i can see a lawsuit over this. If it is something like the revolution controller I am going to go ape shit and never buy another sony product.
If you followed that logic, you could never again buy a Microsoft OS.

[cliffbo]

i agree you`d think nintendo created every controller ever if you believe that you would be thick as a brick anyway does anyone remember a mercury controlled joystick that you tilted forwards and back and left and right which you held in one hand with a fire button on top made for the commodore 64 i think hmmm... i think whoever made that might have a case against the nintendo revolution controller. lol

[Phoenix]

The Revolution controller is not just a tilt sensative controller. Tilt sensing has hapened before, with at least 2 different methods used by Nintendo themselves. One of these, if I'm not mistaken (I might be), was before the Commodore 64. Besides, liquid mercury is not anywhere near 100% responsive. According to the few people who have ever used the Revolution controller, there is no delay, and if there is, it's not noticable.

[Dwhitten]

It's supposed to resemble the GC controller, it's for playing your GC games via backwards compatibility. Anyway, N64 controller over the GC?? no, just.......no. :laugh: Actually the N64 controller was better. The GC controller was horrible because here we have the cheap "C" stick and the cross is positioned on the controller so small it's hard to even move with it.

[Illmatic]

Actually the N64 controller was better. The GC controller was horrible because here we have the cheap "C" stick and the cross is positioned on the controller so small it's hard to even move with it.


Your the first person i've come across that actually thinks that. :shrug:

[Dwhitten]

Well tell me the benefits that the GC controller had over the N64's.


The cross on the N64 was normal size so you can easily function holding your hands straight. If a game calls for you to use the analog stick you can just move your left hand to middle handle and play games from there. Also the Z button in the middle was perfect for shooting games.

The Gamecube controller is messed up. I can't hardly use the D-pad, C button is not the greatest. Here we have a huge A button and a little tiny B button. The design was horrible compared to the 64.

[D3adcell]

If you followed that logic, you could never again buy a Microsoft OS.

No it's just that at first glance I thought it was an exact copy of the revolution controller. Which would suck because thats really the main thing nintendo is going on this generation keeping them alive. If they dont have that then what do they have besides their IP's? Zelda and Mario aren't going to work for ever without a new way to play, It would be a major cheap shot by sony is all.

As for the n64 conrtoller thing. I didn't think it was bad at all at the time. It worked well with the games and thats really all a controller is supposed to do. Although the gamecube controller is better for todays games, the n64 controller was not bad.

[Viper]

I'm actually with Dave here. I truly find the N64 controller to be very compatable with more game genres than any other controller. The Z-Trigger was simply genius. Oh how I miss it.

[bobo_ess]

Me too viper

[Illmatic]

Great, now everyones coming out :help:

:spiral:

For real though, i never really liked the N64 controller, it's nowhere near as comfortable as the GC controller (though the N64 one was alright when holding it on the Z button grip), the N64 analog was too big in height, plus you needed a rumble pack.

[rpgamer_2k5]

Neither did I. No wonder Nintendo changed it for the GC, and the same will apply for the Revolution. We're messing with a minority! :p

[IEatFriedPikmin]

the only thing good about the n64 controller was the fact that it had a z trigger, and that it had the first analog stick. But the joystick sucks compared to gamecubes, and the c-buttons are out of date.

GC controller is way better. It has analog shoulder buttons and c-stick. I love the button layout, and i dont see why people really complain about it. The only thing i have to complain about the GC controller is the z-button.

So yes, they should use something similar to the GC controller, or a good new controller all together.

[xbdestroya]

Hey I liked both the N64 and the GC controllers - what can I say??

[Handycrap101]

http://www.forz.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/boomerangdebunked.gif

After watching this I hope they make it JUST like that.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

People just have change syndrome so they started making fun of it. I thought it was sweet to start with, but this really makes it look teh sex.

edit: btw who made that, or where did you see it?

[Hrama]

Thank goodness I am not the only one that thought that the thing was cool from the beginning. This just seems to add a bit of weight to that theory. I look forward to what is in store for the PS3.

[Handycrap101]

Well I actually liked the controller from the beginning.. I just speculated it's comfort. Now with this I'm sold... also I would like to add...

I BEAT NERVE-DAMAGE TO GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!

I can now die happy.

[axia777]

I for one want to try and hold a controller before I decide if it is good or not. The reason I really hated the original XBox controller is because I held it and it sucked. The new 360 controller is awesome. They ripped off the DS2 controller for PS2 as much as possible with out getting sued. But I have faith in Sony and the new PS3 controller. With that graphic example of how your hands will hold it makes me want to hold it even more. They should have it on display at CES and take a poll of who likes it and dislikes it.

[VG Aficionado]

I always thought the PS3 controller looked incredibly comfortable, but people just keep making fun of its shape.

Just let'em ruin their hands while we play with ease.

[jaxmkii]

after seeing this little demo... i have changed my mind. i think its going to feel great!

[cpiasminc]

I never completely disagreed with the ideas that image is getting across -- the main things that caught my eye about the boomerang that signaled comfort was that the handles were proportionally longer than the DualShocks.

The main thing that throws me with that image is that there were other images during E3 that let on that the new controller is much smaller than that demo lets on.

[Lekko]

Comfort was never really the issiue I thought. it was more style. kinda like how the Saturn controller looked like a small planet, everyone is making fun of its looks. If they just like, made it more stylish, maybe made it glossy or put a smallish display on it or something.. I mean, this is SONY. The one that makes your favorite electronics look like liquid awesome. I just want the controller to ooze slickness and look more sleek.

[Nameless]

Handy, nice find...
I agree with previous post I need to hold the controller to make a final decision. I would like to see more out of the box thinking regarding controllers (i.e. Revolution) but I understand why Sony & MS did not have the balls to try a radically different controler interface. Perhaps we will see the user interface addressed in the next round of consoles? (PS4, XBox?)

[VG Aficionado]

I think it is relevant to re-post this:

Have you seen this picture? (Click to enlarge)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3893/fakeps3controllershot2um.th.png (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fakeps3controllershot2um.png)

It was posted at PS3 Forums. The original poster says it is a mock-up, but it was made in a size so that select and start buttons matched DS2 buttons size. However, it looks real enough to give a first opinion, and as you can see, it adapts to hands perfectly. It is easy to reach all buttons and hands' position is natural and comfortable.

Honestly, I am looking forward to hold the real controller myself. DS/DS2 is a bit uncomfortable to me and I think I'd get used to this one in no time.

[mikeeazy]

I think the ps3 controller looks great, it looks like its next gen, i think it will be comfortable also, maybe if they trim off some of the ends so it wont look as boomerangy, but i dont care as long as it has rechargeable battery like the psp.

[D3adcell]

It seems like it would be uncomfortable to push the circle button while having your finger on the shoulder button aswell. Of course i'd have to feel it before judging, but that also means i can't say good things about it either.

[KiLLA2006]

i liked the controller to begin with, and i believe sony said it was the most comfortable controller... I do need to hold it myself though, to be truly sold...

[Nerve-Damage]

I BEAT NERVE-DAMAGE TO GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Anyhow, as much as I like the controller...I just wish one day (PS4) they will create a game-pad with a true 2.4in color LCD screen, for hiding certain plays from your nosy friend.

[julps31]

I didn't like the controller the first time I saw it but after a day or two afterwards it grew on me. Plus I always thought it looked comfortable. The design made sense. Like it would fit like a glove. Now this just proves it. Nice find handy.

[gibmonster]

From what my brother told me. People bitched about the first PSone design then when it came out people loved it...it good to see it with the hands there...it really looks like the sex lol.

[gibmonster]

should be alot better to play virtua fighter now..man is that game demanding on the fingers. I've never had a problem with the controller and cramps until i played virtua fighter

[Applefiend]

It's a problem isn't it. If you're Microsoft you can just copy the dual shock 2 and look better, if you're Sony... You have to improve and innovate on a pretty much perfect controller.

Only 2 things to do. Wireless and ergonomics.

[Handycrap101]

It's a problem isn't it. If you're Microsoft you can just copy the dual shock 2 and look better, if you're Sony... You have to improve and innovate on a pretty much perfect controller.

Only 2 things to do. Wireless and ergonomics.

Personally I think triggers are a must have...

[Applefiend]

Ruin existing games though. Pulling tony hawk tricks with triggers... Tricky.

[Viper]

Reminds me of the N64 controller angle.

[Handycrap101]

You have a point.... but some games you ENHANCE the experience with triggers...Shooters and racing games come to mind.

[Sypher]

Damn beat me by 5 mins!! mods please delete my thread. oh well.....

This is probably the best representation of the new controller. If its as comfortable as a steering wheel, then i think the 360 controller and Rev wand may be out of luck. My guess is that this controller will be able to endure long sessions(the same as a long drive) without need to constantly readjust or feel stiff. Although there was a rumor to have a trigger on it, I don't see how that would work, possibly the triggers could be tilted along the sides.

So everytime you drive just pretend your playing GT(in ultra hi-def) and you'll get the supposed feel of it.

[frosty]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Anyhow, as much as I like the controller...I just wish one day (PS4) they will create a game-pad with a true 2.4in color LCD screen, for hiding certain plays from your nosy friend.

They do, it's called a PSP.

[D3adcell]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Anyhow, as much as I like the controller...I just wish one day (PS4) they will create a game-pad with a true 2.4in color LCD screen, for hiding certain plays from your nosy friend.

dreamcast comes to mind.

[Nerve-Damage]

They do, it's called a PSP.


Ok smarty… :spit:

One that is around $30-$60 (if permitted) for the average consumer.


dreamcast comes to mind.

Kind of what I was thinking..............

[L3XO]

Ok, i have to admit, it looks rather comfortable, BUT WHO CARES, FPS GAMES SUCK USING ANALOUGE!!! Honestly... we need a guncom like controller with buttons for moving and like a track ball for turning, that would be SICK!

[Danji]

Cpi, you are right. I've seen images of people holding the controller at E3 and it was definitely smaller than that by about 20% in general volume. Your hands would probably be even more comfortable with it smaller because the inner palm would be "filled" with the controller and the bottom area of your palm which is around your wrist would be restrained by the elongated handles.

I think it's teh sex and thought so all along..however this is not the final design for sure. Everyone forgot this..but Sony said two to four months prior to E3 on multiple accounts that the controller had some added switch/buttons for the brand new feature. Perhaps the PS thing up there does the 360 style menu thing but it's not likely.

Sony's hiding something..a lot of somethings..and we will be shocked I assure you.

[julps31]

What is this "teh sex" thing everybodys talkin about? Is this some eruopean slang for sexy or am I missing something? lol And who are you talking to Danji? Cpiasminc isn't in this thread. I do remember Sony saying that the controller would have extra button but i'm not sure if it was just a possiblity or not.

[Junox50]

What is this "teh sex" thing everybodys talkin about? Is this some eruopean slang for sexy or am I missing something? lol And who are you talking to Danji? Cpiasminc isn't in this thread. I do remember Sony saying that the controller would have extra button but i'm not sure if it was just a possiblity or not.

Yes he is. Skip back to page one and you'll see.

[Danji]

I'm in the US. You don't play MMOs do you? Such e-slang is usually developed on those types of games.

[Kevin]

People who make fun of what a controller looks like are incredibly stupid. Controllers are designed to feel great, not look great. PS3's controller has always looked comfortable to me (of course there is the possibility that it is not- then attack away!)

[KnightRiderX]

can someone link me to when Sony said that. I'm interested in reading it.

[julps31]

Yes he is. Skip back to page one and you'll see.Oh. Okay lol. I overlooked him. @ Danji...naw. I don't really play rpg's. I'm more of a action man. Not to say that rpgs don't have action. Just not my favorite genre.

[VG Aficionado]

Cpi, you are right. I've seen images of people holding the controller at E3 and it was definitely smaller than that by about 20% in general volume. Your hands would probably be even more comfortable with it smaller because the inner palm would be "filled" with the controller and the bottom area of your palm which is around your wrist would be restrained by the elongated handles.Do you happen to have those pictures or links to them by any chance? I'd like to see examples of how the controller really fits people's hands.

[Nodieza]

teh uber sex it is. At work last night an argument was struck up (ps3 (me) vs 360 (Tyler) ) as errelevent all his arguments were the worst was "ps3 still has a f'ing boomerang for a controller" and I stared at him and said "is that all you have to argue with???" It's depressing that that they have nothing legid against sony. I personally can't judge that controller untill I hold it *shrugs* It looks okay to me.

[Handycrap101]

I don't get why they don't like the way it look... Alot of my school friends who don't really follow this kind of stuff have seen it and say it looks 'butt'. I for one think it looks futuristic and very sleek... but thats just me.

[Tael]

My interest is now growing in the PS3 controller. The general public now have no need to mock the boomerang design.

[xbdestroya]

Hey I always thought the controller looked good, and always thought it'd be comfortable for the very reasons indicated - so all the better if they decide to keep it!

*or*

If they do change it, at least make sure it doesn't lose any comfort.

[Rapture]

Ok, i have to admit, it looks rather comfortable, BUT WHO CARES, FPS GAMES SUCK USING ANALOUGE!!! Honestly... we need a guncom like controller with buttons for moving and like a track ball for turning, that would be SICK!

yeah and they suck with a guncon too. mouse and keyboard is a must for fps'.

but people who laugh at the design of the 'boomerang' have their priorities messed up.

1) comfort (obviously)
2) functionality (will i be able to turn the console on and off with it?)
3) easy to clean (ds2 has alot of cracks and crevices which tend to get a little ...ewwww... after a while.
4) probably something unimportant im overlooking
5) hey look, balloons!
6) style (who would want to look at the controller when you have sexy 1080p graphics to look at?)

[VG Aficionado]

who would want to look at the controller when you have sexy 1080p graphics to look at?That's a great point!!! :spiny:

[indiekid4]

I've always been a fan of the new controller when it made it's debut at E3. If you don't believe me go find the thread regarding it back when E3 was showing! lol. All these people running their mouths about how it looks like a banana or a sex toy or a boomrang have some growing up to do. (well it kind of does look like a boomrang..lol) I can't wait to hold it in my hand and see how comfortable it will feel. Hopefully SONY won't make too many changes to it's design.

[xnamkcor]

The diagram shows the user holding it so the hand are at angles...yet the control pad and OX^[ ] buttons are still vertical. Wouldn't this mean that the lowest direction on the control pad is Down-Left?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

No, now I think you're just thinking too hard.

[Derrick Barra]

I think Sony will throw in gyroscopic controls into this controler design, just to throw a curve ball at the competition. (Like what the Revolution can do, just without the attachment ability)

[sif]

They don't need to: the next eyetoy can handle motion tracking just as well as a gyroscope. I think an eyetoy bundled with every PS3 is much more likely.

[Domination]

Well, I always liked the controller design. It seems like a much better fit than the first Dual Shock. It's strange, though, how some base their opinion clearly on the look of the controller and not the feel. I think that's what the demo explains best.

[masonite]

i like the controller, but i agree with deadcell in that those circle buttons are almost covered by your hands, and they look like they can be easily pressed by accident.

but these are all concept designs - it's another thing sony has brought to the console market - concepts. just like motorshows, we're seeing sony present a concept of what the next design will look like. this allows them to gauge public reaction and make changes - if the public hate it, they can take their criticism on board and change things. if the public like it, they can keep it as close as possible to the concept for the final design. (microsoft didn't have to do this, because we all know everyone loved the DS2 ; ))

i would expect the final design to be bigger, less streamlined, and with shorter "arms". keep in mind that this has to be mass produced; its pretty much definite that the controller will change. hopefully one of those changes will be a little more "meat" between the circle button and the shoulder buttons, but they still manage to retain the ergonomics.

[Garfunkel]

i like the design But i am just a tad warried about the size cause it is kinda small.

They should keep all shoulder buttons and just strap on 2 triggers to the back to suit everyone.
Another idea would be able to swap the left stick with the d pad to whatever you want.

[pac4life]

it better be comfortable...its going to be a deciding factor if i shud get a ps3 or x360...after holding an x360 controller i have to say its wayyyyyyy more comfortable than a wavebird or a psp...

[julps31]

i like the controller, but i agree with deadcell in that those circle buttons are almost covered by your hands, and they look like they can be easily pressed by accident.

but these are all concept designs - it's another thing sony has brought to the console market - concepts. just like motorshows, we're seeing sony present a concept of what the next design will look like. this allows them to gauge public reaction and make changes - if the public hate it, they can take their criticism on board and change things. if the public like it, they can keep it as close as possible to the concept for the final design. (microsoft didn't have to do this, because we all know everyone loved the DS2 ; ))

i would expect the final design to be bigger, less streamlined, and with shorter "arms". keep in mind that this has to be mass produced; its pretty much definite that the controller will change. hopefully one of those changes will be a little more "meat" between the circle button and the shoulder buttons, but they still manage to retain the ergonomics.The size looks fine to me. Plus there nothin that makes me think that the buttons would be pressed easily. They look like they have plenty of space between them. Personally I don't think theres a good reason to change the design. Plus when has a controller been too small? Maybe too big but I don't think that'll be a big problem. Only if the buttons are too close wich I don't think they are.

it better be comfortable...its going to be a deciding factor if i shud get a ps3 or x360...after holding an x360 controller i have to say its wayyyyyyy more comfortable than a wavebird or a psp...Man why would you compare a handheld to a console controller? Plus why would the controller keep you from getting the system? Especially if its nice.

[cliffbo]

at last some common sense. when i first saw the ps3 controller i thought mmmm... well... er... hell... then i thought but it looks comfortable because if you hold your dualshock and relax your hand, guess what. try it. its going to fit like a glove and won't make your wrists ache. and you know what it does look cool if thats your bag.

[Effulgence]

it better be comfortable...its going to be a deciding factor if i shud get a ps3 or x360...after holding an x360 controller i have to say its wayyyyyyy more comfortable than a wavebird or a psp...

Holding the x360con i think feels pretty good, but after some excessive play times with NBA my hands actually started to cramp up from the way i was holding it, something i havent experienced since SNES. I also think the mix of trigger and shoulder buttons was not pulled off well at all.

[ACE0000]

I actually always liked the controller... it looks odd but I think it's pretty cool... and I always thought that it looked really comfortable to hold and easy to use... I'd be very happy if they didn't change it...also it definately needs some of the functionality of the 360s menu button type thing because that would be really cool

[Z]

like I always said, the thing is design for comfort. that said, it still looks futuristic and very high tech. why do you think people say X2's pad looks like a toy?

[Sephiroth_VII]

Because of the huge batterypack, on the back of the controller?
Looks like thoese old robots with a batterypack

[axia777]

I just want to hold it. Sony REALLY needs to put it on display at CES and E3 so people can hold it. That way we would really know it it rocked or if it sucked. No doubts at all. If it is really good then nay sayers can shut it. If it sucks then we can deluge Sony with bad e-mails telling them so, if that is possible.

[theFUTURE]

You know what would be great is if the controller allowed you to plug in a small LCD screen on the top via USB. This way those who wanted it for games like Madden, would just buy it separately. And if it becomes popular enough devs would support it for other genres as well.

[rpgamer_2k5]

The DS3 looks great. The size, the design is excellent for comfort and makes the controller look very realistic. My only gripe is R2/L2, they must not be very close to R1/L1. I would rather use my middle finger to press R2/L2 over my index fingers.

[julps31]

The DS3 looks great. The size, the design is excellent for comfort and makes the controller look very realistic. My only gripe is R2/L2, they must not be very close to R1/L1. I would rather use my middle finger to press R2/L2 over my index fingers.I wouldn't call that a gripe because you don't actually know if the buttons aren't close enough. I would call that a concern. Man I can't wait to get my hands on this controller.

The beautifal system and the controller only makes it better. I think this controller will be refreshing after using the dualshock for almost...what..8 years. As much as I love the dual shock I think this will be a nice change of pace and make the PS3 more refreshing.

[scyther]

Thanks, I'm glad you like it, and I'm glad it changed a few misconceptions out there.

[julps31]

Thanks, I'm glad you like it, and I'm glad it changed a few misconceptions out there.You made that animation? Sweeet lol. I was just messin with the gif and accidently saved it as a wallpaper. Best tiled wallpapper ever. Good job man. Looks like everybody at the gamespot forums agrees.

[Handycrap101]

You made that animation? Sweeet lol. I was just messin with the gif and accidently saved it as a wallpaper. Best tiled wallpapper ever. Good job man. Looks like everybody at the gamespot forums agrees.

It's your wallpaper???? EWWW!!!

[Nodieza]

I think Sony will throw in gyroscopic controls into this controler design, just to throw a curve ball at the competition. (Like what the Revolution can do, just without the attachment ability)

I don't think sony needs another lawsuit.... :nono:
who knows:tardbang:

[julps31]

It's your wallpaper???? EWWW!!!Eeeww what? I accidently set as wallpapper (somehow) and it looked fine to me lol. Remember to tile it not stretch it.

[Z]

I would rather use my middle finger to press R2/L2 over my index fingers.
that is what I do. ;)

[julps31]

I use my index fingers to press the shoulder buttons. I guess it's personal preference. And about the controller looking like a boomerang...so what? Anybody thats bad mouthing the PS3 controller is just doing what any fan boy would do. Find something they don't like about the console and bash it. Remember the origanal x-box controller? That wasn't a good controller becuase it wasn't comfortable but thats something PS2 fans could bash. Just like the over weight system. So I wouldn't take it too seriously. So it looks like a boomerang? Whats wrong with that?

[Z]

So it looks like a boomerang? Whats wrong with that?
of course. resembling something has nothing to do with how it feels or work. in fact, having a boomerang shape actually hints to how comfortable it is since it fits naturally in the hands. no more edges and hard angles. I really hope they don't change it. or at least make it better- though I can't imagine anything better. but then again, Sony always exceeds expectations.

[julps31]

of course. resembling something has nothing to do with how it feels or work. in fact, having a boomerang shape actually hints to how comfortable it is since it fits naturally in the hands. no more edges and hard angles. I really hope they don't change it. or at least make it better- though I can't imagine anything better. but then again, Sony always exceeds expectations.I agree. This design from what I can tell is perfect. Unfortunatly the public that hasnn't seen it will have to realize that too because some people act like they wont get the PS3 because of the controller. But when they get their hands on it there minds will be changed. :-D

[Domination]

Something just occured to me. It may sound a little off topic, but it does related to the PS3 controller a great bit, and I feel it needs to be discussed or rather known since it is important, I feel.

Sony said the PS3 will support 7 bluetooth controllers. Ok, usually what's seen by most people are just 7 wireless PlayStation 3 controllers. But, notice that these aren't just ordinary controllers. The PS3 supports Bluetooth controllers. Now, I know that may not sound like a big deal since some people don't know what Bluetooth is anyway. But what's known about Bluetooth, the deal is huge. Infact, it puts the usual wireless accessories to shame. Anything Bluetooth can be linked to other Bluetooth devices, rather that be TVs, phones, cars, headsets, computers, printers the whole nine yards and trade that information with other Bluetooth devices cooperatively, and trust me, it goes beyond just pictures or remote signals. With that said, wouldn't a PS3 controller supporting Bluetooth have the flexibility as well to transfer or recieve data from other bluetooth devices like the ones mentioned above? Is that why the PS3 controller is still a concept?

Anyhow, that brings me to the 7 Bluetooth signals/slaves that the PS3 will support. The keyboard and mouse I thought about, but not a headset. That's a lot of slaves for one person, but it's going to do wonders for online.

[rpgamer_2k5]

I wouldn't call that a gripe because you don't actually know if the buttons aren't close enough. I would call that a concern. Man I can't wait to get my hands on this controller. My bad, I was actually talking about the Dual shock 1/2 when making that statement. I do hope that there shoulder buttons are more spaced out. You are correct, though. It's not a gripe, it's a concern. The Dualshock is still the best controller ever. That is why I do fancy those backward ideas like swapping the left D with the left analogy stick.

Z: Maybe it's because of small hands. When I usually rest my hands, my middle finger is below the L2/R2 buttons. That is why I would rather keep my middle finger at that position and use the index fingers for the shoulders. I guess we'll just have to see the shoulder buttons. It does look like the shoulder surface is a lot more smoother.

Whatever, the case, the DS3 is better than the Dualshock, period. :)

Domination: I hear ya. :evillaugh

The DS3 could be connected to headsets, motion detection devices and so on.

[woundingchaney]

No matter how I look at the controller design I just dont like it. Thank god for 3rd party periphials.

[Maya 5.0]

Anyhow, that brings me to the 7 Bluetooth signals/slaves that the PS3 will support. The keyboard and mouse I thought about, but not a headset.


Sorry if i didn't understand you there but are you saying a bluetooth headset wont happen?I personaly would find it a mistake by Sony to at the very least not to make an optional wireless headset by bluetooth or wifi.Why make wireless controllers if your still tied down by a headset.

[CrumCon]

WellPS3 is the true media center to me. not X360.

now you could transfer data between your phone and PS3 wirelessly throught bluetooth lol.. like mp3, photos etc etc.

Just hope PS3 OS support it.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

No matter how I look at the controller design I just dont like it. Thank god for 3rd party periphials.

but those are always derived from the 1st party design.:shrug: :uhh:

[Domination]

Sorry if i didn't understand you there but are you saying a bluetooth headset wont happen?I personaly would find it a mistake by Sony to at the very least not to make an optional wireless headset by bluetooth or wifi.Why make wireless controllers if your still tied down by a headset.

No, no, no. I'm saying a Bluetooth headset WILL happen if it already hasn't as we speak since it is a Bluetooth headset. For instance, think of the memory stick duo used in the PSP. OK, long before the PSP ever launched, this stick was being used in other devices that was compatible with it, which tells you that the stick was not originally designed to suit only PSP products, but rather a wide variety of other devices long berfore the PSP came to market. What I'm saying is, this is Bluetooth. Sony will most likely NOT have to waist any extra cash on custom peripherals for the PS3 because their electronics division as well as others are already covering many of the things that the PS3 will be using as we speak.

When I was talking about the 7 slaves/Bluetooth signals that the PS3 will support, That means you will have wireless EVERYTHING of your choosing, and that limit to you all by yourself is 7 slaves, not controllers. That can be keyboards, mouses, telephones, laptops, TVs, printers, i'm talking the works. Think of it as a wireless, universal outlet for all of your entertainment.

[venomv]

What I'm saying is, this is Bluetooth. Sony will most likely NOT have to waist any extra cash on custom peripherals for the PS3 because their electronics division as well as others are already covering many of the things that the PS3 will be using as we speak.

They will probably simply repackage them with a slight redeisin to match the PS3, that would make people want to buy theirs instead of whoever else might make them.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah, it's like usb ports on ps2. That's not new technology and you can use any usb keyboard on it.

[Z]

that is a good idea Dom. hope Sony uses Bluetooth like that.
and I also want wireless headsets. they might as well go all the way right? :)

[Domination]

that is a good idea Dom. hope Sony uses Bluetooth like that.
and I also want wireless headsets. they might as well go all the way right? :)

Well, the good news is Bluetooth is Bluetooth. Whatever device it's compatible with, Bluetooth will work with it so long as the other device is Bluetooth, too. Like a memory stick,no matter who makes it, it will work with any device compatible with it. Bluetooth acts no different. Bluetooth has no ending source like a regular wireless device does. Meaning, it does not need to be customized to work outside of it's primary source in which it was packaged with. It acts as a single link. Once all the links are combined, it creats a chain of Bluetooth devices from all over the world.

My explination earlier, for instance, describes the PS3 controller as one of those Bluetooth devices/links. It may look like a regular controller, but since it is Bluetooth, it can work wirelessly with more than just the PS3 console. With a Bluetooth TV, it can possbly act as a remote control. While playing games on a Cellular phone supporting Bluetooth, the Dual Shock 3 can act as a controller for whatever game you are playing on that Cell phone. If you are playing games on a computer supporting Bluetooth, the PS3 controller can work wirelessly for those games. If you have an MP3 player or portable device that supports Bluetooth, you could send your music, messages, pictures or whatever wirelessly to the PS3 console or vice-versa. Bluetooth is a neverending, universal wireless connection while a regular wireless device stops at its primary source.

Just for the hell of it, let's use the 360 as an example: It's wireless controllers are regular wireless controllers. Which means they will stop only at the Xbox 360. Any other source outside of the 360 console will require customization for each and every other device it needs to communicate with wirelessly and vice-versa.

[Sypher]

have you guys heard that the controller will come standard wireless and will feature a right trigger? Saw it on 4chan.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Link please?

[theFUTURE]

Does anyone know if the controller will have vibration? If it does then...WOOHOO. I'll be able to pleasure my girl with one end AND play Tekken 6 at the same time. (keeping my fingers crossed X)

[Sypher]

just heard it through the grapevine, but i really do think that there will be a trigger. It adds a new range without forcing developers to use it(unlike 360 controller) Only thing I see not working is the shape and placement of it. I imagine that you would have use your right middle finger with the current shape....unless its a top trigger taking the place of R2.

[axia777]

No trigger please, don't like them at all thank you.

The Bluetooth thing Domination brought up is crazy, awesome, and totally obvious if you know what it is. And I never thought about it that way. Duh. The possibilities are very open and that kicks ass.

[Z]

Does anyone know if the controller will have vibration? If it does then...WOOHOO. I'll be able to pleasure my girl with one end AND play Tekken 6 at the same time. (keeping my fingers crossed X)
of course it will come with a rumble feature, what are you thinking? you can pleasure your body while pleasuring you mind! lol

have you guys heard that the controller will come standard wireless and will feature a right trigger? Saw it on 4chan.
this is possibly the oldest controller rumer, it having one trigger.
I think it is pritty safe to say it is false for a few reasons.

[Goki]

id rather have a bit more "meat" on the R2 or L2 like the NGC controller trigger, rather than a gun like trigger.

[jaxmkii]

Does anyone know if the controller will have vibration? If it does then...WOOHOO. I'll be able to pleasure my girl with one end AND play Tekken 6 at the same time. (keeping my fingers crossed X) :laugh: you dont have a Girlfreind!:laugh:



J/K

[Handycrap101]

:laugh: you dont have a Girlfreind!:laugh:



J/K

I dont have a girlfriend :(...I guess me and my controller will have alot of lonely nights....


OHHHH WELL:laugh:

[Deno22]

I don't know guys, in this interview on teamxbox.com about the PS3 they asked Kaz Hirai (think thats his name) about the controller and he said that he hasn't even been allowed to touch it yet. I think they are brewing something really cool with it and i can't wait for E3! Then we will finally be able to make a good judgement about who is the best this gen, and who's games look better than all those rumor crap. The more i learn about the PS3 though the more i am liking it :).

[The_One]

Forgive me if this has already been posted, but I just ran across this and thought it'd be fun to share it:
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8770/boomerangdebunked4rm.gif

[woundingchaney]

Im not real big on the controller design (for some reason I just cant like it). Although I have little doubt that they wont incorporate somekind of adapter for the old PS2 controllers (or at least a 3rd party one). If Sony doesnt offer different designs on their standard controller Im sure we will see some 3rd party designs differ from the original.

[Z]

for some reason, I haven't been able to get access to imageshack for a while now...

[Z]

Im not real big on the controller design (for some reason I just cant like it). Although I have little doubt that they wont incorporate somekind of adapter for the old PS2 controllers (or at least a 3rd party one). If Sony doesnt offer different designs on their standard controller Im sure we will see some 3rd party designs differ from the original.
no official way to use DS2. maybe 3rd party will make their own adaptor for it?
as for 3rd part pads, of course there will be many of them. they will either use USB, Bluetooth or both. that goes for other periphirals like dancing pads, guncons, mics, etc.

[OmniCloud]

The gliff is enough for me.. It at least shows that they drastically change the look but not really the feel. It honestly looks more comfortable, and in the end, isn't that the best controller? Let's just see how they play this out. Obviously Sony knows everyone likes the DS2, Hell, all the PS3 demos were conrolled by 1. I seriously doubt they will release an inferior controller to DS2, there the ones that made the damn thing!

[speed stick]

I saw that somewhere. Maybe earlier in the thread or something. But I really like the idea of that controller style because its different and looks to be more comfortable.

[RzrWire]

I believe it was posted in an ealier thread by Handycrap101? The link no longer works though. In any case it is a great demonstration of how much better it will feel in your hands.

[Flamin Scotsman]

i like that ergonomical controller actually.. i never liked the dual shock controller that one looks nice and also comfy

[Handycrap101]

It was indeed posted by thee... We should merge that thread with this one.

EDIT: NVM...It's already been done.

[Z]

if you look at it, then imagine the DS2 next to it (or on top of it) it really is the DS2, only with streamlined edges. I really like it. and remember that in the case of a controller, it doesn't matter how it looks, but how it 'feels' and plays. while others are trying to mimick PS2 successes, Sony is moving on.

[Garfunkel]

If sony left it as the duelshock people would critisize them so changing it to something "striking" is a good move

whatever the final design will be, whether it is that or something else, we must remember that this is a company known for their beautiful style and they are not stupid as to create a bad controller.

PS Merry christmas everyone and have a fantastic new year and spend your much deserved holidays doing something constructive, like posting on the e-mpire! :)
peace

[cliffbo]

why hasn't anyone considered the possibility that the controller could have tilt sensitivity

[cliffbo]

this thread seems to be pointless. everybodies stating the obvious. perhaps the controller will be wireless?!!!! COME ON!!!!! we know it is.

[Twilight Prince]

It looks so small (or that guy has very big hands).... maybe it will be invisblie.

[Infernal]

Why's the picture say "PS3 boomerang myth debunked"? It still looks like a boomerang, that myth hasnt been debunked... Just now it seems like its more comfortable to hold and play games on than it seemed before.

[rpgamer_2k5]

What's wrong with a boomerang?

[Hardcore Gamer]

id rather have a bit more "meat" on the R2 or L2 like the NGC controller trigger, rather than a gun like trigger.
Best...triggers...ever. Try playing a game like Burnout on the Xbox and you're index fingers are going to hurt like hell after a while. Triggers like the ones featured on the Controller S and the Xbox 360 controller only seem nice, but they're not that great.

While I'd like to see analog triggers on the DS3, I'd rather see the ones featured on the GCN's controller. Those large grooves in the middle are simply awesome and very comfortable on your index fingers.