Interesting Comment by Adam Sessler

[ps3basefan]

Adam Sessler at E3 on gG4TV said the Xbox3 60 (graphics-wise) might be showing what it can do max/full extent, but PS3 might be showing us what it can do without maxing it's full power. In other words, Xbox 360 has reached it's full potental from the start, and PS3 has not. Consoles are suppose to last 5-7 years. And Xbox 360 can compensate by focusing on better online gaming on Xbox LIVE and on better AI.

[alternate_ending]

PS3 isn't showing its full power because IT ISN'T FINISHED YET!!!

Even if Xbox 360 is at its limit, developers haven't even started getting used to the system. You will definately, definately see an improvement in the quality of xbox 360 graphics.

Also, notice Adam's use of the word 'might'. take it with a grain of salt.

[RichardCypher101]

I'd take anything from G4TV with a grain of salt.

-Rich

[Theo]

I highly doubt that they are already pulling xbox 360's "full potential".

[Brandon]

I doubt that as well. But despite all that, Morgan Webb is hot. ;)

[WolfWooD]

wasent the games only on 80% of what xbox360 can do

[Brandon]

wasent the games only on 80% of what xbox360 can do
No...Gears of War is supposedly using 80% of Xbox 360's power.

[nemesis121]

Adam Sessler at E3 on gG4TV said the Xbox3 60 (graphics-wise) might be showing what it can do max/full extent, but PS3 might be showing us what it can do without maxing it's full power. In other words, Xbox 360 has reached it's full potental from the start, and PS3 has not. Consoles are suppose to last 5-7 years. And Xbox 360 can compensate by focusing on better online gaming on Xbox LIVE and on better AI.

The entire team at G4tv don't have a clue how to play games, [IMO] and the reason why xbox 360 games aren't up to par is because of this http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615667p1.html because i was also saying to my self this system isn't next gen, but then again I won't allow myself to be fool by sony's tech demos.

[Mordecaii]

@nemesis121:

So, you find the news article about the 360 only using 1/3 of its power, and you claim it as fact (which it is to be expected since the devs are running unfinished dev kits), but you refuse to believe the Sony videos shown (which surprisingly are on more complete hardware)? I don't get it... so if the 360 showed those same videos you'd believe them? Since of course, the games running on a system 3 times the power of the one they're currently running on should be able to pull off the same graphics as the ones in the Sony videos... It sounds to me like you're saying you believe the 360 can do better graphics than the PS3 without believing the hardware numbers given out by both companies (which shows the PS3 as being more powerful)... Sounds kinda biased to me.

[The_One]

@nemesis121: Don't be such a stuck up fanboy. If you're not going to be "fooled" by Sony's tech demos, then what are you going to be fooled by? Xbox 360's LOWER classed tech demo's? Sure.... :roll:.

[nemesis121]

@nemesis121:

So, you find the news article about the 360 only using 1/3 of its power, and you claim it as fact (which it is to be expected since the devs are running unfinished dev kits), but you refuse to believe the Sony videos shown (which surprisingly are on more complete hardware)? I don't get it... so if the 360 showed those same videos you'd believe them? Since of course, the games running on a system 3 times the power of the one they're currently running on should be able to pull off the same graphics as the ones in the Sony videos... It sounds to me like you're saying you believe the 360 can do better graphics than the PS3 without believing the hardware numbers given out by both companies (which shows the PS3 as being more powerful)... Sounds kinda biased to me.

I refuse to believe what sony showed was real gameplay, for one reason, they did the same shit in 1999, in 1999 I didn't have a PC, I didn't get a pc until 2001, I went a freinds house and saw some of the E3 ps2 vids, and I was impressed I was like OMG CGI graphics for gameplay, so for the next 12 months or so I was basically a gamer in the dark, my only source of info was video game magazine, and all they showed was pics of the CGI scenes, not actual gameplay. When the system launched I actually decided to spent my money on a ps2 instead of my rent, got home pop it in and I was like WTF.

I know that's PS2, and PS3 might be different, sony might not be lying to us, it might be real this time, I can see it being real considering the fact that nvidia made the graphic chip for xbox from a geforce 3 hybrid, and games on that system look greater than most pc games today. I could imagine what nvidia would be able to do with there latest card, but this is sony we are talking about, sony said that PS1 would have a million polygons that was lie, ps2 would have real time Emotion engine graphics *cough* biggest BS in games, and now they are calling there latest chip the REALITY chip, all I have gotta say is I am gonna take the wait and see approach.

Why would I believe what some site says, easy look at current generation xbox and look at what we are seeing from xbox 360, they don't look much different than xbox 1, here's a break down xbox 1 GPU is capable of 125 million polygon/sec, xbox 360 is capable of 500 million polygons/sec. If you believe that xbox 360 is showing or running on full power, and showing there best graphics, then you need to pull your fanboyism out of your ass, and look at some of the facts.

[Media]

I refuse to believe what sony showed was real gameplay, for one reason

But last time, they really were showing you CGI...In this conference they stated that clips like Fight Night and others were in REAL-TIME.

[Mordecaii]

I've never once stated that the 360 is running its full power... in fact, I've known all along that it's not. Same goes for PS3. Until developers get finalized dev kits, no next gen system will be running at full power. All people can do is guess at what full power is. I hope you weren't directing the fanboy comment at me nemesis121, because in my post I specifically stated that the 360 was not running at full power.

[The_One]

Why would I believe what some site says, easy look at current generation xbox and look at what we are seeing from xbox 360, they don't look much different than xbox 1, here's a break down xbox 1 GPU is capable of 125 million polygon/sec, xbox 360 is capable of 500 million polygons/sec. If you believe that xbox 360 is showing or running on full power, and showing there best graphics, then you need to pull your fanboyism out of your ass, and look at some of the facts. Those 125 MP/s for the Xbox are pulled out of Microsoft's (as you would put it) "ass". The Xbox can only render 35 million polygons with 2 free layers of textures at PEAK. It CANNOT reach 120+ MP per second, that was a marketing BS conducted by both nVidia and MS.

On the same token, those 500MP/s figure could just be as misleading as those 125MP/s figure. Besides, this console is using techs from 2004 to early 2005, what are you expecting?

Those Xbox 360 games were "suppose" to have had 2 years of development time, but look at DOA 4, it looks like utter crap and the water effect is even worst than current gen Xbox's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory's water effect (Note that I used the Xbox version as a comparison, since it has even worse water effect than the PS2 version). Shift your head and look at the damn duck demo, it was running in REAL time, and the water effect was much more realistic compared to DOA 4's. Of course, DOA 4 is only one of the many games that will be out for Xbox 360, so I won't judge it until the actual console comes out.

The only game that's actually on par with the term "next-gen" is Gears of War. Now THAT game is pure sweetness.

[Danji]

I don't like the fact that they already have a game running at 80%. I mean, you can only optimize so much from that point and I can see MS throwing down another console in 4 years.

If the PS3 maxes out on Killzone then I won't mind at all because those graphics are ridiculously and outrageously beautiful (in the technical sense not the artistic sense).

[n1n9tean]

Adam Sessler.....man that guy is annoying.....I think it's mainly because he wears those same 3 horozontally striped shirts back to back...to back to..... :lol:

[indiekid4]

@nemesis121:

So, you find the news article about the 360 only using 1/3 of its power, and you claim it as fact (which it is to be expected since the devs are running unfinished dev kits), but you refuse to believe the Sony videos shown (which surprisingly are on more complete hardware)? I don't get it... so if the 360 showed those same videos you'd believe them? Since of course, the games running on a system 3 times the power of the one they're currently running on should be able to pull off the same graphics as the ones in the Sony videos... It sounds to me like you're saying you believe the 360 can do better graphics than the PS3 without believing the hardware numbers given out by both companies (which shows the PS3 as being more powerful)... Sounds kinda biased to me.

I refuse to believe what sony showed was real gameplay, for one reason, they did the same shit in 1999, in 1999 I didn't have a PC, I didn't get a pc until 2001, I went a freinds house and saw some of the E3 ps2 vids, and I was impressed I was like OMG CGI graphics for gameplay, so for the next 12 months or so I was basically a gamer in the dark, my only source of info was video game magazine, and all they showed was pics of the CGI scenes, not actual gameplay. When the system launched I actually decided to spent my money on a ps2 instead of my rent, got home pop it in and I was like WTF.

I know that's PS2, and PS3 might be different, sony might not be lying to us, it might be real this time, I can see it being real considering the fact that nvidia made the graphic chip for xbox from a geforce 3 hybrid, and games on that system look greater than most pc games today. I could imagine what nvidia would be able to do with there latest card, but this is sony we are talking about, sony said that PS1 would have a million polygons that was lie, ps2 would have real time Emotion engine graphics *cough* biggest BS in games, and now they are calling there latest chip the REALITY chip, all I have gotta say is I am gonna take the wait and see approach.

Why would I believe what some site says, easy look at current generation xbox and look at what we are seeing from xbox 360, they don't look much different than xbox 1, here's a break down xbox 1 GPU is capable of 125 million polygon/sec, xbox 360 is capable of 500 million polygons/sec. If you believe that xbox 360 is showing or running on full power, and showing there best graphics, then you need to pull your fanboyism out of your ass, and look at some of the facts.

Refuse all you want...but you can't stop the inevitable...in the end.. the xbox 360 will only be known as the xbox 1.5...sorry buddy, but your faith in xbox will be your undoing! haha...does that last sentence sound familair to anyone!?? lol Think..Star Wars..

[Red_Eyes]

@nemesis121:

So, you find the news article about the 360 only using 1/3 of its power, and you claim it as fact (which it is to be expected since the devs are running unfinished dev kits), but you refuse to believe the Sony videos shown (which surprisingly are on more complete hardware)? I don't get it... so if the 360 showed those same videos you'd believe them? Since of course, the games running on a system 3 times the power of the one they're currently running on should be able to pull off the same graphics as the ones in the Sony videos... It sounds to me like you're saying you believe the 360 can do better graphics than the PS3 without believing the hardware numbers given out by both companies (which shows the PS3 as being more powerful)... Sounds kinda biased to me.

I refuse to believe what sony showed was real gameplay, for one reason, they did the same shit in 1999, in 1999 I didn't have a PC, I didn't get a pc until 2001, I went a freinds house and saw some of the E3 ps2 vids, and I was impressed I was like OMG CGI graphics for gameplay, so for the next 12 months or so I was basically a gamer in the dark, my only source of info was video game magazine, and all they showed was pics of the CGI scenes, not actual gameplay. When the system launched I actually decided to spent my money on a ps2 instead of my rent, got home pop it in and I was like WTF.

I know that's PS2, and PS3 might be different, sony might not be lying to us, it might be real this time, I can see it being real considering the fact that nvidia made the graphic chip for xbox from a geforce 3 hybrid, and games on that system look greater than most pc games today. I could imagine what nvidia would be able to do with there latest card, but this is sony we are talking about, sony said that PS1 would have a million polygons that was lie, ps2 would have real time Emotion engine graphics *cough* biggest BS in games, and now they are calling there latest chip the REALITY chip, all I have gotta say is I am gonna take the wait and see approach.

Why would I believe what some site says, easy look at current generation xbox and look at what we are seeing from xbox 360, they don't look much different than xbox 1, here's a break down xbox 1 GPU is capable of 125 million polygon/sec, xbox 360 is capable of 500 million polygons/sec. If you believe that xbox 360 is showing or running on full power, and showing there best graphics, then you need to pull your fanboyism out of your ass, and look at some of the facts.

Ah, maybe you just forgot. Go look at those PS2 tech demo again. Yes, they WERE THAT CRAPPY back then. Just that back then, it was the first time you ever seen graphics like that, so you thought it was great graphics. Sony never lied. Everything did look exactly like those tech demos.

[JetBlackRX89]

Something like killzone was pre-rendered. But the PS3 will be capable of making it look that good. 1st off, the way the main character moved was totally pre-scripted looking in the way he moved his arms and gun and also happened to be at the right place at the right time to avoid constant fire and things blowing up and flying. I think the real game will have the same effects, but not as hectic. Hell, anybody wouldn't be able to play more than 5 minutes without bursting in flame (as we saw in the demo.)

They just did this to make it seems fast-paced and exciting. There's no doubt that by the PS3's tech specs it can pull off these graphics, but it will be more reasonable with less crazy explosions and a little thing on the side showing how many shots and health you have. All the basic gameplay of a PS2 game but with better graphics.

I fthe 360 already hit 80%, I'd believe it. They said its extremely similiar to programming for the original X-Box, which people are extremely familiar with. The only difference is Microsoft is pushing the idea of some crazy online utopia where u can play games and buy everything.

Plus I love the killers, mtv, and frodo, so i guess thats reason enough to get 360, right? (btw that mtv special was absolutely mindless, pointless, and had most people clapping without knowing what they were clapping for)

[haggisns]

Even if XBOX 360 is running at 80% in those demos, does'nt mean it was programmed efficiently, if you gave that development team 6 months or a year to refine their code they could probably drop those particular demos down to only using 60% or 50%.

It takes time to learn the intricacies of a new system.

Look at GTA4 , it looks very impressive, compared to the first one on PS2.

The developers will learn to squeeze every drop of performance out of their consoles.

[sub1zero]

Is there a link to prove the statement that Xbox 360 is running Gears of War at 80 % of it's full power ?? 8)

[Coded-Dude]

I can't remember who was interviewing who, but here is the SOURCE (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=e3&message.id=16283&query.id=2218 1#M16283)
"Q: There has been some discussion about the visual difference between the games shown at the Sony conference, and the games shown at the Microsoft conference. What kind of kits are you working from, and were the games we saw working at full capacity?

The games we showed were working off alpha test kits using a PC graphics chip, not the actual graphics chip from our system. The games are running at about 30% of their actual capability. Our dev kits are still only in the alpha stage, and we have not delivered beta kits yet. The final kits will ship to developers in July.

We had to show real stuff because we're at that point where we're really close. If we had shown conceptual movies like Sony did then people would really be wondering where we're coming from. Since we're this close to launch, we had to use real kits and real gameplay."

I don't know how much hot air is being let out here, but you launch in 6 months and and your still in alpha stages! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Sounds like some excuses are being thrown around

[the legendary ice man]

probably.

I also heard it was running at 1/3rd capacity because of the alpha thing.

Don't really know wether to believe it or not because It's from a source that doesn't lie - ie someone I know very well and has a lot of input in school networks where I live, but also the same reason as above - it's only around 6months away from release - realistically.

not sure why MS are giving thousands away from midnight August 31 for 9 weeks every 10 minutes.

[Stelio]

probably.

not sure why MS are giving thousands away from midnight August 31 for 9 weeks every 10 minutes.




Where did u hear this?

[the legendary ice man]

Plastered over the net a while back and re-confirmed.

Mountain Dew is the product.


Mountain Dew and Microsoft to Give Away an Xbox 360 System Every 10 Minutes This Fall - (May 17, 2005) - Today at Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) 2005, Microsoft Corp. and Pepsi-Cola North America announced a U.S. promotion to put the Xbox 360T next-generation video game and entertainment system from Microsoft into the hands of thousands of lucky people before the console hits store shelves. Beginning Aug. 28, Mountain Dew, Pepsi's intense citrus soft drink, and Xbox® will select a winner of an Xbox 360 console every 10 minutes, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for nine weeks straight in the "Every 10 Minutes" promotion........Read More

SOURCE: www.pepsico.com


I did know the URL to goto to enter, but I forgot :(

[indiekid4]

haha, the last thing M$ needs to do is give away free Xbox 1.5's to people...they need to make money this time around! I see the merit in doing so, but every 10 minutes! They are crazy!

[rev>thanu]

Even if XBOX 360 is running at 80% in those demos, does'nt mean it was programmed efficiently, if you gave that development team 6 months or a year to refine their code they could probably drop those particular demos down to only using 60% or 50%.

It takes time to learn the intricacies of a new system.

Look at GTA4 , it looks very impressive, compared to the first one on PS2.

The developers will learn to squeeze every drop of performance out of their consoles.

Unreal 3.0 engine was done on current PC architecture and coding. xbox is similar and by far not that different from current PC architecture. hello it uses PC parts. plus XNA according to them must make the console even easier to program than the original xbox. so i think the 2 years (according to microsoft) that developers had to make these games and techdemos was more than enough time to optimize the code. even if they get to optimize it further i don't see the percentage power usage of this engine going down to 50- 60% as you say. I only see that engine running at 70- 75% of xbox 360's max potential after optimazation. is not like once they optimize the code the power usage on the console can go down by 20% percent ect. it doesn't happen like that.