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thedynamite007
07-07-2005, 08:44 AM
Im afraid that M$ is using its bucks to pay developers in Jap. Please i hope that resident evil, final fantasy, soul calibur, dragon quest, xenosaga, etc will not appear in xbucks. M$ is so unfair in there business practice that they pay up people just to make exclusive contents to there product. I cannot imagine those Jpan developers have been already been payed huge sums. thats why even if Japs hate M$ they are so attracted with money from mister Bills pocket. Oh my the world is being dominated again by M$, they will even enter the under wear business. Any business that there are oppurtunity to monopolise. By the way, beware Bill <edited by xbd> pretending to be good. I have proof

Edited out the needless slander ;)

Applefiend
07-07-2005, 09:06 AM
:D

Bill Gates doesn't worship the devil... It's Steve Balmer who's the satanist.

Wait until TGS. If Microsoft have a line up the Japanese take seriously, then you'll know they mean business.

So if they turn up at TGS with... Ghost Recon, Rare games, frigging Halo preview, PGR3, Amped 3, Madden, all that stuff. Forget about it. Nobody in Japan wants that crap. A couple want the DOA series, that's about it.

But if they turn up at TGS with... Mistwalker RPG, Virtua Fighter 5, kooky music game, XBox Live mahjong, Hello Kitty the game, Ghost in the Shell 2 Innocence online, that kind of thing...

Then be afraid, be very afraid.

The way I read it is developers are taking Xbox 360 more seriously than XBox 1, and trying to produce AAA titles specifically tailored for XBox 360.

This basically means... Americanised games. Tony Hawk's Iraqi Nascar 3 Online, that kinda thing.

Domination
07-07-2005, 09:38 AM
Im afraid that M$ is using its bucks to pay developers in Jap. Please i hope that resident evil, final fantasy, soul calibur, dragon quest, xenosaga, etc will not appear in xbucks. M$ is so unfair in there business practice that they pay up people just to make exclusive contents to there product. I cannot imagine those Jpan developers have been already been payed huge sums. thats why even if Japs hate M$ they are so attracted with money from mister Bills pocket. Oh my the world is being dominated again by M$, they will even enter the under wear business. Any business that there are oppurtunity to monopolise. By the way, beware Bill the faggot is a devil worshipper and pretending to be good. I have proof

:nono: ....

Anyway, to the topic itself... If what you're saying is true, then that would mean that Sony is paying the Americans to develop for their console as well.http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/indifferent.gif

thedynamite007
07-07-2005, 10:22 AM
:nono: ....

Anyway, to the topic itself... If what you're saying is true, then that would mean that Sony is paying the Americans to develop for their console as well.http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/indifferent.gif

No they just loby for it unlike M$ they really pay them or even buy them. Like the case of Halo of Bungie and Tecmo exclusive games. We all know M$ have a bad business malpractice. Thats even if many uses windows, they are very much hated at japan, korea, and europe. To bad they monoplise the software industry by embedding free wares and there system is only lock for there program thats why even if MANY hates microsoft we cannot buy other software because they already own the cyber space with there monoplistic ways. OKAY!

Applefiend
07-07-2005, 10:35 AM
Yup, Microsoft are trying to buy themselves the console industry by dumping consoles on the marketplace. It's pretty crazy as console buyers are completely fickle unlike Desktop or handheld users. One minute Atari is hip, then it's home computers, then Nintendo, Sega, Nintendo again, then Sony.

The business strategy is to force other companies out of business, so the console business is no longer profitable anymore.

Oldest trick in the book. Dump poroduct on the marketplace cheap, force your competitors out of business, and when there's no competition left... Jack up your prices.

But that ain't going to happen, because the minute they do force Sony out of business, some other giant corporation will just come along and replace them. Fickle, fickle, fickle, are the gamers.

But they have Desktop, they have PocketPC, they'll soon have smart mobile phones, the last place they can expand to is consoles.

Then Microsoft will have a 100% monopoly over all computing devices, and with no competition, computing will stagnate. Companies don't innovate out of the goodness of their heart.

pipi
07-07-2005, 10:52 AM
There are always bigger fish in the ocean.

Theo
07-07-2005, 11:26 AM
:D

Bill Gates doesn't worship the devil... It's Steve Balmer who's the satanist.

Wait until TGS. If Microsoft have a line up the Japanese take seriously, then you'll know they mean business.

So if they turn up at TGS with... Ghost Recon, Rare games, frigging Halo preview, PGR3, Amped 3, Madden, all that stuff. Forget about it. Nobody in Japan wants that crap. A couple want the DOA series, that's about it.

But if they turn up at TGS with... Mistwalker RPG, Virtua Fighter 5, kooky music game, XBox Live mahjong, Hello Kitty the game, Ghost in the Shell 2 Innocence online, that kind of thing...

Then be afraid, be very afraid.

The way I read it is developers are taking Xbox 360 more seriously than XBox 1, and trying to produce AAA titles specifically tailored for XBox 360.

This basically means... Americanised games. Tony Hawk's Iraqi Nascar 3 Online, that kinda thing.

Good points. I have to add, that we must remember that Sony is not all poor here either and the company is well capable of fighting against M$ with this matter...At this point, the only thing I'm worried about is Mistwalker. It has great potential for AAA tittles that could attract especially Japanese markets and as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong) they are developing only for Xbox 360 so far...

#1MarioFan
07-07-2005, 06:38 PM
This is my firt time to post in this section of the forums. I"ve never owned a Sony gaming product. But I have nothing against them. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trolling. I wanted to reply to Applefiend. Yes, that is pretty sad, and Microsoft will do it if they can too. I own an Xbox. Love it. But making someone go out of business( or having those kind of intentions) is just wrong. If Sony is soon to be out, as much as I hate to admit it, then Nintendo is out even sooner. Though, that is the case if it is really Microsofts intentions to do so. Yes, all three companies can spend alot of money where needed, but utlimately, Microsoft has the equivelent of a marathons worth of money to spend here. Can't we all just be fwinds?:)

Viper
07-07-2005, 06:50 PM
Business dictates that MS and Sony are actually closer to leaving the market than Nintendo.

MS lost $4 billion on Xbox and could continue to lose on the 360.
Sony could lose billions this gen IF..IF...Blu-Ray and CELL aren't as well received as they plan. Also pending is that lawsuit that could do some serious damage to them if it goes against them again.

Nintendo made several billion dollars this gen.

360 may do better in Japan this round but it still won't dent Sony and Nintendo much. In America, the race will be closer for all 3.

rpgamer_2k5
07-07-2005, 07:32 PM
[Gets up, withdraws from PC, goes to the kitchen, opens up the fridge to get something to eat, takes a walk, enters his room, sits down once again, moves his mouse, monitor wakes up and continues on with his post.]

First, MS cannot 'buy off' any company unless they purchase a share of the company and even Sony does that. Sony doesn't have a hegemonic image like MS. Sony owns a significant portion of SquareSoft, they won't allow a migration to MS too easily. Sony also does vote, all shareholders just want profits not start some foolish migration that will bring hardly any money. MS has no budget to buy off companies, the only way developers move over to MS is if they provide them an excellent platform that will allow the developers to earn profits. MS can only buy off small developers but that would be stupid, MS knows this. Even on the Windows the same applies, they do not buy Adobe not to support Linux. Heck, the reason we see this is because they do not see profiit coming on that platform. Even if MS had such an operating budget, they wouldn't have to buy off companies to make a few games for them, that would just be stupid. MS could just use that large sum of money to buy off their artists and programmers! Most game programmers would love to earn $80,000 a year, but lets be realistic if MS did this they would go broke, forget about profit.

Second, just because MS's market capital (Share price * Total shares) is high doesn't mean their operating budget is massive. Sony had the largest market capital half a decade ago. Market Capital only matters is one is selling off their shares, nobody will be selling off MS shares for a long time (...until another Great Depression comes). Bill cannot force the shareholders to sell of their shares and hand Billy the money cause you need atleast 51% vote to do that. No one is doing that, not even Billy. MS can raise money publically but the sums required to buy developers to develop for MS is just...outstanding..lol.

So once again, MS will not be attracting developers by giving free money (that just goes against ANY profit model)...that's like offer free land so that condominiums can be built there. You can give provide incentives, which MS will provide such as friendly dev't kits, excellent support, a power platform, etc, etc.

xbdestroya
07-07-2005, 10:14 PM
This is my firt time to post in this section of the forums. I"ve never owned a Sony gaming product. But I have nothing against them. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trolling. I wanted to reply to Applefiend. Yes, that is pretty sad, and Microsoft will do it if they can too. I own an Xbox. Love it. But making someone go out of business( or having those kind of intentions) is just wrong. If Sony is soon to be out, as much as I hate to admit it, then Nintendo is out even sooner. Though, that is the case if it is really Microsofts intentions to do so. Yes, all three companies can spend alot of money where needed, but utlimately, Microsoft has the equivelent of a marathons worth of money to spend here. Can't we all just be fwinds?:)

I don't think anyone's going anywhere this gen. ;)

Playstation will be profitable again this gen - of that I'm 99% certain - though maybe not in the first year due to the PS3 launch.

Nintendo's not going to a loss, that's for sure.

And I think Microsoft will likely turn profitable.

xbdestroya
07-07-2005, 10:19 PM
Second, just because MS's market capital (Share price * Total shares) is high doesn't mean their operating budget is massive. Sony had the largest market capital half a decade ago. Market Capital only matters is one is selling off their shares, nobody will be selling off MS shares for a long time (...until another Great Depression comes). Bill cannot force the shareholders to sell of their shares and hand Billy the money cause you need atleast 51% vote to do that. No one is doing that, not even Billy. MS can raise money publically but the sums required to buy developers to develop for MS is just...outstanding..lol.

So once again, MS will not be attracting developers by giving free money (that just goes against ANY profit model)...that's like offer free land so that condominiums can be built there. You can give provide incentives, which MS will provide such as friendly dev't kits, excellent support, a power platform, etc, etc.

RPG I don't know what you're talking about here, but I think you're a little confused. ;) When someone sells their shares in a company, the company doesn't get the money - the seller does. Market cap is more just a relative indicator of strength and a reflection of the company's ability to use it's shares to acquire others, etc... It's just another measure of size and strength.

Anyway but Microsoft the company has plenty of cash to play around with (in the billions), even though a lot of it has recently been earmarked for a special dividend. It's true though that the console division isn't being given a free ride though, and they have a more constrained operating budget that Sony gives their Playstation division. Plus they're under the pressure to turn profitable this gen or possibly have the plug pulled.

rpgamer_2k5
07-07-2005, 10:48 PM
RPG I don't know what you're talking about here, but I think you're a little confused. ;) When someone sells their shares in a company, the company doesn't get the money - the seller does. Market cap is more just a relative indicator of strength and a reflection of the company's ability to use it's shares to acquire others, etc... It's just another measure of size and strength.

You misunderstood me. For MS to be able to pay developers to develop for the Xbox 360 requires money. The only way MS is able to acquire such money is if shares are sold. As you know, the stockholder controls the shares and no shockholder is providing MS money from their own shares.

Anyway but Microsoft the company has plenty of cash to play around with (in the billions), even though a lot of it has recently been earmarked for a special dividend.

Most of that money goes over their profitable products that bring in mad profits. One example is Microsoft's Windows line; the Server variants recieved $1.7 billion for R&D alone, and $2 billion for improving server products/services. The NT 5.0 kernal development took ALOT of money, Windows Longhorn, ditto for Tablet or the Media Centre software.

It's true though that the console division isn't being given a free ride though, and they have a more constrained operating budget that Sony gives their Playstation division. Plus they're under the pressure to turn profitable this gen or possibly have the plug pulled.

Exactly, that is my point, the problem is many out there feel that this firm with a $280 billion market capital has unlimited funds but we know that this is not true. 1999-2000 Sony was #1. As you have stated, MS operating budget for the Xbox isn't as free as the Sony counterpart and I highly doubt MS will change. Their gaming division is just not as important as their core markets and these ones will be facing huge competition in the future. Apple with Intel CPUs can mean big trouble for MS because there are many that detest Windows because it is not stable. The Xbox 360 will likely have a lower priority for MS than the PS3 with Sony. Matter of fact Howard Stringer is really betting on the PS3 and PSP.

xbdestroya
07-07-2005, 10:59 PM
You misunderstood me. For MS to be able to pay developers to develop for the Xbox 360 requires money. The only way MS is able to acquire such money is if shares are sold. As you know, the stockholder controls the shares and no shockholder is providing MS money from their own shares.

If by selling shares you mean having an additional float of equity, then yes ok - I thought you meant individual shareholders selling their shares as being the source of cash. Sorry if there was confusion. ;)

Still though, you won't see a company like Microsoft needing to do that, as they have more than enough cash on hand. So for them to 'be able to pay developers' simply requires profits, of which they have plenty. Now - how much they're willing to throw at the XBopx division is another matter entirely; but I'm just trying to get across that shares being sold wouldn't effect anything one way or the other, because the bottleneck certainly isn't lack of funds on Microsoft's part - moreso a max cap to commitment.

rpgamer_2k5
07-07-2005, 11:37 PM
xbdestroya: Roger. ;) ...Got nothing more to say.

Phryne Astynome
07-08-2005, 07:28 AM
To the OP,
I don't think you should worry too much about Microsoft ever buying off Japanese developers or publishers. Those developers and publishers are pretty loyal to Sony even though some of them had rocky relations with them (Capcom is one example).

Also, I doubt Microsoft will ever win the international market although they have a very strong possibility of winning the American market. The reason why I think that Microsoft will never win the international market (EU and Asia) is primarily because they suffer from the "satellite office syndrome". Almost all of Microsoft (their R&D, their engineers, their executives, etc, etc) is located in Redmond. While it is true that Microsoft has been building some research plants in China and India, these plants are nowhere near the caliber of the Redmond plants. To be frank about Microsoft's overseas offices, they are just flat out pathetic. If you want to see how pathetic their overseas offices are, look no further than Xbox Japan. Microsoft Japan has no say in anything regarding the business. Peter Moore did ALL of the Japanese recruiting for this new gen, that alone should tell you how weak and powerless MS Japan is. If Microsoft wants to win Japan, they should grant that office more autonomy and allow them to do the recruiting and make business decisions in that region. Unfortunately, I doubt that would ever happen since Redmond seems to be full of control freaks.

Sony, on the other hand does not suffer from the "satellite office syndrome". In case you didn't know, half of Sony is actually located in America. That half is known as Sony Picture Entertainment. Although this has little to do with this discussion about Sony vs. Microsoft, it is to point out Sony's international structure, which is that Sony is all over the place and that no office is considerably more powerful than the other. Most would say that Sony Japan is the most powerful office and I would agree but lately these days, Sony of America has been making up a higher portion of Sony's revenue and profits so they are quickly catching up to Sony Japan. I know this is irrelevant but this is to contrast Microsoft's structure where all the decisions are made in Redmond. Sony has this huge advantage over Microsoft in the international presence in that each of their offices make their own decision and often recruit on their own. Microsoft's Redmond executives were the one who did all of the Japanese and European recruiting. In the case of Sony; developers like Psygnosis, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, and etc were recruited by their regional executives. Here's something to think about; what if Sony, when they acquired Columbia, replaced all the American executives with Japanese executives to make the business decisions in America, do you think their entertainment division would have been as successful? Microsoft is a little bit like this in their Japanese operation with the American executives overriding the Japanese executives in their Japanese office.

I personally think this was the reason why Sony won both of the console wars since ALL of the rival console makers (SEGA, Nintendo, and Microsoft) suffer from the "satellite office syndrome". If my post was inflammatory to Microsoft, I am sorry. I do think Microsoft will do better this time internationally but I still feel they have not rectify all of their mistakes from last gen and thus will lose to Sony again internationally. However, the Xbox 360 looks to be exciting and I hope it performs well. If I am wrong about the "satellite office syndrome", feel free to correct me.

Danji
07-08-2005, 07:57 AM
A thought has occurred to me. IF this gen is just as fruitless as the last for M$ and they drop out then there will be no real competition. Nintendo and Sony are headed in two very seperation directions with consolse and I believe the revolution will be so different that they won't be seen as interchangable options nearly as much as a PS2 and gamecube are.

Z
07-08-2005, 08:57 AM
It has great potential for AAA tittles that could attract especially Japanese markets and as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong) they are developing only for Xbox 360 so far...

If I am not mistaken, they have announced that they are working on DS. Another thing to note is that MistWalker is an independent publisher. They can make whatever game on whatever system. It is just so happens that their first two announced projects are for X2. another thing to note is that we do not know what kind of exclusivity deal it is. It could be a timed exclusivity, or only for that game. I highly doubt they would sell they whole project name and future titles in this early stage.

The Xbox 360 will likely have a lower priority for MS than the PS3 with Sony. Matter of fact Howard Stringer is really betting on the PS3 and PSP.

True. The Playstation is Sony’s No.1 profit source. You can see how important PS3 is for Sony by they crazy technology and directions they are making on it.

For MS, gaming is a potential market revenue for them. MS is constantly searching for new ventures. It would be retarded for anyone to just depend on one profit source. They can’t put all their eggs on Windows. And it isn’t just MS that is interested in the gaming industry. This industry is the fastest growing in the entertainment realm and everyone wants a piece of the action. PSM ran an article about big shot Hollywood directors working on games for next gen. big time rappers are making their own games, and so on and so forth.

ALL of the rival console makers (SEGA, Nintendo, and Microsoft) suffer from the "satellite office syndrome"

very true. Anyone can take a quick look at Box to tell that it is all American. They games, the style the promotions, etc. if you look at Ninty, you get the same; all kiddy Jap, family console.
But look PS2. you can’t tell if it is Japanese, American, European, etc. it has a very flexible image that caters for all eyes. if some one asked you to say the first game that comes to mind when saying Box, you would say Halo. Cube; Mario. Playstation; … aaahh..hold that thought. I need to think. EXACTLY, it has something for everyone.

Another example is PSP. Show it to anyone and ask what is it. people will be guseeing MP3 player, cell phone, PDA, camera, etc. that is because Sony intentionally designed it to look sophisticated and have that ‘attraction’ about it along with its multiple great capabilities.

Now look at PS3; tha same implies. Kuturagi even said that he didn’t want PS3 to look like a gaming console, he wanted it to look like an entertainment system.

Back on topic;
I do not understand this ‘fear’ some of you speak of. What is the big deal? MS, Sony and Ninty will jump at all chances to get any support- some more than others. Obviously MS is in the weakest position here for attention especially with dev out side the US. Its toughest – and critical- market is Japan. They are obviously trying to convince that market in giving them another desperate chance. They will offer special deals, commitments, services and cold hard cash to get support. Support is so low for them there that Itagaki (Team Ninja head) has a monthly blog in the Famitsu Xbox mag (the only Xbox mag in Japan). Do you believe that? The mag has nothing better to do then writing about one person every single month?

Now, what MS is doing is good. they should have done this the first time, but I gues they were too cocky. Now that they are slapped in the face, they seem a little more ‘awake’. To be realistic, this isn’t enough. You can’t get a new studio with no published work (MistWalker) and expect to rule Japan no matter how much potential they have. And beside the, I don’t see anything new or interesting. All their supporters are same ol’ same ol’. To paint a better picture, look at the potential launch and post launch line up for X2. now how many of those titles are exclusive? Now how many of those are ‘Must Haves’ – those who will have gamers lining up for? Now compare the same list with what Sony, or even Ninty has. Not a pretty picture huh?

The reality is MS is in a very bad position. They lost billions while gaining zero profit. Now they will lose more billions on the new system in R&D, marketing, etc. no matter how rich a company is, there is a limit on how much they can keep on taking.

I predict that if X2 comes anywhere near the Box’s humiliating performance, MS will quit the console market. I expect them to be still making games (they may have a chance with them) for other systems including handhelds and cell phones.

Finally, there is no reason what so ever to feel bad or ‘worried’ on any of this. We are gamers, and games are here to stay. Everyone wants to be in the lucrative gaming industry (even the TV giant Murdoch and many others). We will always have games to paly. There is no fear of the market closing or dying. If one company leaves the hardware market, like Sega, as sad it may be, it will live on on others. We can play Sega games on other consoles. And IF an inteity decides to take its names with them, then they will be forgotten sooner than later. Life moves on. And in the case of gaming, it moves on and leaps every five years.

Game On, my fellow gamers, Game ON!!

thedynamite007
07-08-2005, 02:54 PM
If I am not mistaken, they have announced that they are working on DS. Another thing to note is that MistWalker is an independent publisher. They can make whatever game on whatever system. It is just so happens that their first two announced projects are for X2. another thing to note is that we do not know what kind of exclusivity deal it is. It could be a timed exclusivity, or only for that game. I highly doubt they would sell they whole project name and future titles in this early stage.


True. The Playstation is Sony’s No.1 profit source. You can see how important PS3 is for Sony by they crazy technology and directions they are making on it.

For MS, gaming is a potential market revenue for them. MS is constantly searching for new ventures. It would be retarded for anyone to just depend on one profit source. They can’t put all their eggs on Windows. And it isn’t just MS that is interested in the gaming industry. This industry is the fastest growing in the entertainment realm and everyone wants a piece of the action. PSM ran an article about big shot Hollywood directors working on games for next gen. big time rappers are making their own games, and so on and so forth.



very true. Anyone can take a quick look at Box to tell that it is all American. They games, the style the promotions, etc. if you look at Ninty, you get the same; all kiddy Jap, family console.
But look PS2. you can’t tell if it is Japanese, American, European, etc. it has a very flexible image that caters for all eyes. if some one asked you to say the first game that comes to mind when saying Box, you would say Halo. Cube; Mario. Playstation; … aaahh..hold that thought. I need to think. EXACTLY, it has something for everyone.

Another example is PSP. Show it to anyone and ask what is it. people will be guseeing MP3 player, cell phone, PDA, camera, etc. that is because Sony intentionally designed it to look sophisticated and have that ‘attraction’ about it along with its multiple great capabilities.

Now look at PS3; tha same implies. Kuturagi even said that he didn’t want PS3 to look like a gaming console, he wanted it to look like an entertainment system.

Back on topic;
I do not understand this ‘fear’ some of you speak of. What is the big deal? MS, Sony and Ninty will jump at all chances to get any support- some more than others. Obviously MS is in the weakest position here for attention especially with dev out side the US. Its toughest – and critical- market is Japan. They are obviously trying to convince that market in giving them another desperate chance. They will offer special deals, commitments, services and cold hard cash to get support. Support is so low for them there that Itagaki (Team Ninja head) has a monthly blog in the Famitsu Xbox mag (the only Xbox mag in Japan). Do you believe that? The mag has nothing better to do then writing about one person every single month?

Now, what MS is doing is good. they should have done this the first time, but I gues they were too cocky. Now that they are slapped in the face, they seem a little more ‘awake’. To be realistic, this isn’t enough. You can’t get a new studio with no published work (MistWalker) and expect to rule Japan no matter how much potential they have. And beside the, I don’t see anything new or interesting. All their supporters are same ol’ same ol’. To paint a better picture, look at the potential launch and post launch line up for X2. now how many of those titles are exclusive? Now how many of those are ‘Must Haves’ – those who will have gamers lining up for? Now compare the same list with what Sony, or even Ninty has. Not a pretty picture huh?

The reality is MS is in a very bad position. They lost billions while gaining zero profit. Now they will lose more billions on the new system in R&D, marketing, etc. no matter how rich a company is, there is a limit on how much they can keep on taking.

I predict that if X2 comes anywhere near the Box’s humiliating performance, MS will quit the console market. I expect them to be still making games (they may have a chance with them) for other systems including handhelds and cell phones.

Finally, there is no reason what so ever to feel bad or ‘worried’ on any of this. We are gamers, and games are here to stay. Everyone wants to be in the lucrative gaming industry (even the TV giant Murdoch and many others). We will always have games to paly. There is no fear of the market closing or dying. If one company leaves the hardware market, like Sega, as sad it may be, it will live on on others. We can play Sega games on other consoles. And IF an inteity decides to take its names with them, then they will be forgotten sooner than later. Life moves on. And in the case of gaming, it moves on and leaps every five years.

Game On, my fellow gamers, Game ON!!

Monopoly is what Iam afraid of. The style of M$ is that they buy companies that are small but have great potentials. Also they buy there rivals like what happened to hotmail, bungie, and the one suing Sony in its dual shock controller(I forgot the name ) that have a huge share in that company. Not to mention plans to buy google and sun microsystem. M$ is a proven monopolist and they even use there Charity MODESOPERANDI to distribute there software. I know that and I have seen that! Imagine they always include there windows software inbedded with all there product from windows media player to explorer. Also they require that ONLY, I say again ONLY M$ related curriculum will be taught. THIS AREA ALL FACTS!!!

They are also doing it in the game industry. I heard they plan to buy Tecmo so that they will be exclusive to them. Also Taito, and Sammy I heard a rumor about it. Small Jap companies taking advantage of there small resources and briding them with great payroll and equiptment. Do you believe that Sakaguchi, Okamoto and Mizuguchi went to M$ because they love it and impress with its specs. Actually most Jap companies and developers hate foreign takeovers but do to crisis and the temptation of BIG payroll from Mister Bill Gates pocket they bite it even if deep inside they dont like it.

Oh my I pray that there is still competition in the industry. Let there be freedom for developers or company and dont bribe them so that there will be great qualities of titles. Good competition means good games and price and more innovation. Oh my imagine if M$ dominates the world? M$ Apparels and underwear anyone? HEHE!!

By the way I just hope that Resident evil series will still be for PS3 or just make it a multi console game.

Z
07-10-2005, 10:44 AM
lol you need a break ;)
no one company in the world can buy half of the 'rumored' purchase interests MS has for the companies you mentioned. another thing, you seem to think MS has a foot hold in gaming. that is just ridiculous. they made a horribly failed project that spat out Xbox. if X2 is ANYWHERE near the failure of Xbox, you can kiss MS out of the console gaming sector. they might still make games for a little longer but it is over for console.

also, MS doe not have near the influence you seem to mention. Ninty is in a much, much stronger position than MS- believe it or not. it is Sony that is the be all end all under dog in gaming since theur debut a decade ago. just look at the crazy support they have and the huge number of exclusive. this is a company that has so much exclusives and power, they don't need to wright 'exclusive' on their titles. only some publishers tryed that out in some cases, but that is it.

MS controlles the OS but nothing much other than that. it is like Oracle contrling the database application. in the computer world, it is the likes of Intel & AMD, nVida & ATI that are controlling the market, not MS. MS has to follow what ever they come up with.

I don't know if you are being funny or really disoriented, but chill a little. you will always- always- have competition in the gaming world. even on one platform, we see devs and publishers racing each other mad.

Viper
07-10-2005, 05:48 PM
thedynamite007, true that MS pockets are deep but after already losing $4 billion fromt eh Xbox, I can assure you that investors do not want MS tossing money out the window. $375 million for Rare and look what they got.

Believe it or not but not even the success of Halo/2 has been able to erase that debt.


MS's monopolistic practices can only take them so far in the video game business because the industry model doesn't present well for it. Besides, the more they try to monopolize, they more money they seem to lose.

KiLLA2006
07-11-2005, 04:51 PM
Finally, there is no reason what so ever to feel bad or ‘worried’ on any of this. We are gamers, and games are here to stay. Everyone wants to be in the lucrative gaming industry (even the TV giant Murdoch and many others). We will always have games to paly. There is no fear of the market closing or dying. If one company leaves the hardware market, like Sega, as sad it may be, it will live on on others. We can play Sega games on other consoles. And IF an inteity decides to take its names with them, then they will be forgotten sooner than later. Life moves on. And in the case of gaming, it moves on and leaps every five years.

Game On, my fellow gamers, Game ON!!


Is it just me or are you always trying to get us hyped up or give a "Lets go team" type of speech at the end of your longer posts?? perhaps its just me...

anywho, i do not like, and did not like Microsofts first and soon to come second helping of gaming console... first of all, i had an xbox wow was Halo 2 severly over-hyped i thought as i played through a cut to peices story line that barely held my interest at all... also they entered the market with a cocky, almost too cocky for any gamer to want type of attitude... which i despise me being a gamer, and it seems like there starting this again... appealing to the Mtv gamers who pickup games like Enter the Matrix, and feel like it's the best thing to ever hit store shelves, at M$ E3 conference everybody was dressed like they just walked in off the streets, making me feel like they didn't even have to come to the conference, it wasn't a big deal at all...

You can’t get a new studio with no published work (MistWalker) and expect to rule Japan no matter how much potential they have. And beside the, I don’t see anything new or interesting.

having that said I agree with you Z I think M$ is definitely trying to do something about the Japan, and them hating him issue, but it's definitely not enough now im not big on game developers (but will be soon because im going to school for game animation) but from what i gather Mistwalkers has potential to do great things in however much time they are with the game market, but as Z said is that enough and how does it seem to strike fear in these forums??? What do you think M$ will run Sony out of Japan, not a chance...

Ill take a page from Z: "Fear not fellow 'Sonyians' and 'Nintendopes,' for we shall not be ran out of Japan, and we shall not be afraid of the demon that is M$. So game on my brotherens, GAME ON!" :aim8-):

thedynamite007
07-12-2005, 07:59 AM
thedynamite007, true that MS pockets are deep but after already losing $4 billion fromt eh Xbox, I can assure you that investors do not want MS tossing money out the window. $375 million for Rare and look what they got.

Believe it or not but not even the success of Halo/2 has been able to erase that debt.


MS's monopolistic practices can only take them so far in the video game business because the industry model doesn't present well for it. Besides, the more they try to monopolize, they more money they seem to lose.

I just hope everytime M$ does a business monopolistic malpractice they fail and loose money. I hate this kinds of oppurtunistic companies

Oh me I hope and Pray that there will never be an exclusive resident evil game for Xbucks. I hope its for Ps3 or at least multi platform . By the way this link is a good news for me http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3141932