No router functions for PS3

[Domination]

The PlayStation 3 will no longer act as a home network router, according to Sony Computer (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033#) Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi, who has revealed that the functionality has been dropped because it would have been too expensive.

Speaking with Japanese publication Nikkei Electronics, Kutaragi said that the original specification for the PS3 would have allowed the system's three Gigabit Ethernet ports to be used as a home router.

However, this functionality has now been dropped since it would have made the console cost too much to manufacture, he admitted - and Sony now expects that users will continue to use their existing router hardware, which is becoming more commonplace in households with broadband internet connections.

Whether that means the bank of network ports on the back of the box has actually been reduced to a single port is not clear, however, as the company has previously hinted that it has other plans in mind for the multiple network ports.

The news that the system was intended for use as a router or hub was first revealed at E3, when Sony's Phil Harrison told GamesIndustry.biz that "it can be a hub, rather than just being a terminal at the end of a network."

"Also, we want to be able to have a Gigabit port for an IP (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033#) camera," he revealed. "So one of the ports is an in, and two of them are through. It can be a server (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033#) as well as a terminal."

Source (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033)

I guess that answers the retail question.

Anyway, it's really no big deal, and to tell you the truth, many won't miss it.

[Voidler]

It seems Sony never said it was going to being a router. Looks like they've been loosely using the words hub, leading people not so articulate in this area to think they were talking about PS3 acting as a router. In actuality, all they have planned it on being used as is a switcher, here you can even listen to Kuturagi say it

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~sal4t/KKswitch.wav

It seems they aren't dropping the feature at all, it was never planned for PS3 and Kuturagi was explaining why it won't be acting as a router, not saying they're dropping it as though it was originally planned.

[rpgamer_2k5]

Hmm..so this means that the earlier thread (during E3) in which I said that the PS3 could be used as a router is true. However since I'm getting a WIFI router for $40, I no longer need a router on the PS3. Also note that the 40,000 yen figure stated by Sony was with the router capabilities included.

[axia777]

That is all right with me. I really did not think that it was not important. If it brings down the final price then it is a very good thing. The price point is now my biggest worry. It has to be $299.99 in the US if Sony wants to really kick ass at launch.

And it was never Sony who quoted the 40,000 yen price point, it was some crap ass analyst house based in Japan.

[rpgamer_2k5]

"And it was never Sony who quoted the 40,000 yen price point, it was some crap ass analyst house based in Japan."

No, it was actually stated in the Honda and Kutaraji interview. The problem is, I'm having a problem finding the initial interview on this forum. Sony said the price will be around 40,000 yen or a bit more when released in Japan. The $500 figure was stated by some crap ass analyst house (aka. Merril Lynch Japan). :@

[KiLLA2006]

Alright so Sony is taking action about this price issue, im glad to hear it, and Im sure the router/hub wasn't the stand out feature in my head it was the Sony logo, lol... oh beautiful :) j/k

[Voidler]

It seems Sony never said it was going to being a router. Looks like they've been loosely using the words hub, leading people not so articulate in this area to think they were talking about PS3 acting as a router. In actuality, all they have planned it on being used as is a switcher, here you can even listen to Kuturagi say it

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~sal4t/KKswitch.wav

It seems they aren't dropping the feature at all, it was never planned for PS3 and Kuturagi was explaining why it won't be acting as a router, not saying they're dropping it as though it was originally planned.

I think I should call attention to this..

[CrumCon]

well there goes about there goes minus $25-50 from PS3 price tag! ;)

good news.. yea im going to get wireless router anyway. for PS3 and my upcoming PSPPPPP!

[Metal Sphere]

The PS3 has Wi-Fi so it should be able to detect your Wireless Network if you have one, or at least connect to the internet over the wireles connection.

[Coded-Dude]

Yeah....but not a GB speeds! Oh Well :err:

[Angeljuice]

Yeah....but not a GB speeds! Oh Well :err:

Maybe they'll upgrade the Wi-fi from g to pre-N (readilly available now and dropping in price), I know it's still only 108mbps, but by the time they start manufacturing the price difference should be neglegable.

[Domination]

It seems Sony never said it was going to being a router. Looks like they've been loosely using the words hub, leading people not so articulate in this area to think they were talking about PS3 acting as a router. In actuality, all they have planned it on being used as is a switcher, here you can even listen to Kuturagi say it

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~sal4t/KKswitch.wav

It seems they aren't dropping the feature at all, it was never planned for PS3 and Kuturagi was explaining why it won't be acting as a router, not saying they're dropping it as though it was originally planned.

You're right. I don't know how I missed that. Maybe it was due to it not being all that important to me. hmm...

[Maya 5.0]

802.11n is out already?I thought it has a 2006 realease?Is it BC with 802.11 b & g.

[Eidorian]

Maybe they'll upgrade the Wi-fi from g to pre-N
802.11n is out already?I thought it has a 2006 realease?Is it BC with 802.11 b & g.Note they said pre-n. Keep hope Sony fans, I know you wanted the PS3 to be Sony's trojan horse into your living room.

[Raijin]

In fact, I think the router function never has been in PS3. I guess Kutaragi said he was thinking of it but cost would be to high. However, I assume not including router function was decided before E3 presentation. So, AFAIK, nothing has changed sonce E3. The Playstation 3 is still the same. :)

[Eidorian]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033

[Applefiend]

Good, good, good. There's a lot of unneeded crap in PS3, all those Ethernet ports, a million USB ports, that extra HDMI port,the flash card support(use 802.11b for exchanging data between PSP and PS3), rip it all out. Make it cheaper.

Make it cheaper, or spend the money on a slightly faster Cell or RSX part, or even... a hard drive.

Did these trolls come with the forum move? I can have every move Sony makes negative spun by disgruntled EB employees on other boards thank you. I come here to talk about my favourite console with other people with good taste.

[stanDarsh]

I'm starting to wonder if this removing of redundant parts is to allow for inclusion of a small capacity HDD (say 10-40GB) that comes standard with PS3 that you can upgrade to a higher capacity HDD should you feel so inclined. If so I'd be stoked.

[O.D.S]

im going to continue from where stanDarsh left off and say because sony has removed this part (and maybe the some of the ports that functioned along with it) could this mean that the PS3 could get a significant body change and be smaller?

[Z]

so what about the three ethernet ports on PS3? will they become one or what?

[lshian]

so what about the three ethernet ports on PS3? will they become one or what?

To link as many PS3 you want! :P

[Voidler]

Yeah, I was wondering, why exactly would they have three ethernet ports? What're they supposed to be used for?

[axia777]

"And it was never Sony who quoted the 40,000 yen price point, it was some crap ass analyst house based in Japan."

No, it was actually stated in the Honda and Kutaraji interview. The problem is, I'm having a problem finding the initial interview on this forum. Sony said the price will be around 40,000 yen or a bit more when released in Japan. The $500 figure was stated by some crap ass analyst house (aka. Merril Lynch Japan). :@


Oh, I see. My bad. I stand corrected. ;) But that is still to much money as a launch price point.

[Metal Sphere]

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24836

As said before, nothing was dropped. If anything, Sony's looking for more uses for the ethernet ports. And the folks in that thread have some excellent ideas... Wireless for the Xbox and 360 by simply connecting them to it. Clever I tell you.

[Voidler]

So, somebody actually mind telling me what three ethernet ports are supposed to be used for?:?

[xbdestroya]

So, somebody actually mind telling me what three ethernet ports are supposed to be used for?:?


From Gamesindustry.biz:

...The bank of network ports on the back of the box can be used as a switch or hub, however, and the company has previously hinted that it has other plans in mind for the multiple network ports.

The news that the system was intended for use as a router or hub was first revealed at E3, when Sony's Phil Harrison told GamesIndustry.biz that "it can be a hub, rather than just being a terminal at the end of a network."

"Also, we want to be able to have a Gigabit port for an IP camera," he revealed. "So one of the ports is an in, and two of them are through. It can be a server as well as a terminal."...

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=10033

[Metal Sphere]

Connecting your PS3 to the internet via ethernet cable, connecting your eyetoy and connecting your PS3 to another PS3 for LAN gameplay.

These are three of the most likely uses for them.

[CrumCon]

Analysts expected PSP would've been priced At Least $300

what a shame.. Sony released PSP standard-pack at $179 in Japan and $249 Valupack in the U.S.

[Z]

so again, will this mean the three ethernet ports will become only one in the final design?

[Jasonps3]

No, it will be the same ports that you saw at E3. They have some plans for them. What they are is anybody's guess (probably IP Camera).

[Coded-Dude]

There will be an extra one for the EYETOY for sure, and the NIC for the PS3 itself(obviously)
The third is still up in the air, but I hope they leave it in for direct PS3 connections(LAN parties)

[n1n9tean]

I'm starting to wonder if this removing of redundant parts is to allow for inclusion of a small capacity HDD (say 10-40GB) that comes standard with PS3 that you can upgrade to a higher capacity HDD should you feel so inclined. If so I'd be stoked.

LMAO@ your avatar!!! :laugh:

[Ice Phoenix]

I'm not quite sure if this has been posted I didn't see it, and if I missed it, sorry for reposting but this ign article kinda even more elaborates what some of you were saying about how it wasn't promised to begin with.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/632/632766p1.html

it also leads me to believe they will not be dropping any ports in the rear or front some of you were worried about because nothing has really been dropped. But thats just my thoughts. :)

[Metal Sphere]

Yeah, it was posted before. IGN and Gameindustry.biz are the two gaming sites that revisted the old information and made corrections.

[JetBlackRX89]

I don't think many would've used this feature anyway. It's not a big loss at all. As long as people can use their main router to connect the PS3, PSP, and anything else wirelessly, then we aren't loosing any real functions, right?

The PS3 can still be a media hub without being the router itself, right? I don't see why not. Sends the info to the router and the router sends it to your PSP through wi-fi.

[Maya 5.0]

So we have 3 ports of GB ethernet on the PS3.One in and 2 out?

I have a question and if my thinking if flawed then my bad.

Would it be possible for Sony to use the power of Cell in terms of GHz or FLOPS to do tasks as calculations for certain projects like SETI has done to PC's?

Could this be why we have BG ethernet instead of standard ethernet?

Once again if im talking crazy here just slap me. :)

[tazz3]

this is good news. because the ps3 will even be cheaper.
they should drop the blu - ray also.
and go with hd-dvd.
then the ps3 will be 299

[Coded-Dude]

^blu-ray is already cheaper than HD-DVD, you should read more news

^^teh cell was designed to be a broadband multimedia chip(which is why they went with GB lan)
It is also desinged to be interoperable with ohter online cells(another reason)

anywho, cheerio!

[tazz3]

dude.. give me a link that says that blu ray player is cheap