Halo 3 vs. PS3 launch // ??? vs. X360 launch

[bRoNx]

Hi guys.

I'm just curious as to what y'all think SONY will be doing the day X360 launches.

Personally, I believe they already have BIG things prepared to counter the hype generated by the X360 launch, and I'm expecting them to launch their official PS3 campaign the week/day before M$ launch their console - by this, I mean PS3 commercials everywhere you turn, and every channel on TV showing graphics at the level of Killzone (if not Killzone itself) and some amazing ads at that (SCE marketing = WINNER!).

Also, I'm expecting to see a big price drop for the PSTwo, along with a couple of killer apps released at a discounted (subsidised by SCE maybe?) price to encourage sales.

And then there's the steadily climbing PSP. I don't have any speculation about what they may offer for the PSP other than a price drop (maybe release those peripherals they showed last year: cell phone; dig. camera etc.).

Just like how M$ have Halo 3 ready for the PS3 launch, I think SONY have something that'll take some steam out of the X360 sales...personally, I just can't wait to see/hear more about the PS3, and I'm sure SONY is preserving all the juicy stuff for the day the X360 comes out!

What do y'all think?

[Lost|Identity]

Can anyone say Final Fantasy XII?

Seriously though, this game has been heavily hyped and with the slippery release date, perhaps this would be the time to have it released.

[OutlawAdidas]

PS3 + KillZone vs Halo 3. Halo 3 shall prevail. They did real good with the advertisment for 2 and I know they will do better with 3. Also if they bump it up to 50 players online, OMG, that shit would be awesome. Also if it lets you play as the Flood, then KillZone and and the PS3 can kiss my black/white/tan ass!!!

[xbdestroya]

PS3 + KillZone vs Halo 3. Halo 3 shall prevail. They did real good with the advertisment for 2 and I know they will do better with 3. Also if they bump it up to 50 players online, OMG, that shit would be awesome. Also if it lets you play as the Flood, then KillZone and and the PS3 can kiss my black/white/tan ass!!!


Hmmm.... but with Halo 2's controversial development times and the whole background story to that, be careful what you wish for with an aggressive Halo launch schedule, because you just might get it; but not get the game you hoped you would.

[bRoNx]

Can anyone say Final Fantasy XII?

Seriously though, this game has been heavily hyped and with the slippery release date, perhaps this would be the time to have it released.

True!

That's one game that is sure to demand attention!

Any other killer apps pending/scheduled for release around Xmas?

[Danji]

I think the Xbox 360 will be too expensive for the majority of people who bought Halo 2 for the xbox. Hell, most of the poeple who bought it for the Xbox don't even play it online due to one of two things most likely:

1. They don't have Cable or DSL because it costs too much (or might not be available).
2. They don't have the means to afford Xbox Live

Thusly the general sum of these people will not buy Halo3 if it comes out on PS3 launch day at $350 for it and the console.


I think that if Sony were to do an add campaign showing the graphics of the PS3 before the xbox 360 came out that would definitely decrease sales of the Xbox360 significantly.

[OutlawAdidas]

Hmmm.... but with Halo 2's controversial development times and the whole background story to that, be careful what you wish for with an aggressive Halo launch schedule, because you just might get it; but not get the game you hoped you would.


Halo 1 and 2 SUCKED..........Campaign wise. The only good thing about Halo 2 is the multiplayer mode and that it is online.

[bRoNx]

PS3 + KillZone vs Halo 3. Halo 3 shall prevail. They did real good with the advertisment for 2 and I know they will do better with 3. Also if they bump it up to 50 players online, OMG, that shit would be awesome. Also if it lets you play as the Flood, then KillZone and and the PS3 can kiss my black/white/tan ass!!!

For sure. Not doubting Halo's popularity or success, but do you really think that the market leader is just gonna release their console and leave it at that? I believe this is a strategy that M$ should've kept quiet about...at least not brag about it so early. Now I know they may have more cards up their sleeve for SONY, but this basically told SONY to prep up a killer app for launch to battle this threat.

What if GT5 was released as a bundle with the PS3...or FFXII was moved onto the PS3 and released - at launch - with the PS3.

I'm sure SONY won't be so quick to say "we've got this and that for launch" just yet, as I'm sure they'll wait and see what M$ has in store for them...then devise a plan.

Anyways, I think a GT4 with an online component for the X360 launch wouldn't be so bad!

[Voidler]

It's gonna have to deal with a PS2, maybe PSP price drop and the likes of Kingdom Hearts 2, Final; Fantasy XII, GTA Liberty City Stories, Zelda etc. all before the looming PS3 comes out.

[bRoNx]

Fair enough.

I think the PSP will play a big role during this launch window, as it is still pretty new to most people, and it's a handheld that SONY can market to just about ANYBODY!!! And then release GTA Liberty City Stories - a variation of the phenomenon on PS2 (that convinced most people I know to get a PS2) - and I think it'll give M$ a good run for it's money!

[Metal Sphere]

Remember that the PS2 had people waiting a year for it, especially over the Dreamcast's superior graphics when compared to the PSOne. Of course there's the early adopters, but for the most part, people waited.

It'll be the same situation here actually. If they slash their prices (PSP $150 or $200, PS2 $99), market their games like crazy (and there's ton being released before, on and after the 360's expected launch date) and really start their PS3 campaign, then they'll really give people more reason to buy their product. Or at least buy some games, and wait for the PS3.

They did so in the face of superior graphics before, and there's no indication that they won't do it again. Personally, I think Bill Gates messed up with that Halo 3 comment. It's going to be a rushed game lacking in substance if it's going to be used as a way to "counter" the PS3's launch. Especially since if it's launch is Spring 2006, that would effectively put it before E3, so it'd have a massive media boost early in it's life.

[makeitlookreal]

It is my guess that Sony will have a few surprises on that day. The PS3 will obviously be upgraded and enhanced by the time it is released. Just a few small boosts here and there could make the PS3 look even more appealing...

Just imagine if each week leading for a month leading up to the launch of the XBox Sony announced...

Week One: The GHZ of the cell chip is now 3.6ghz

Week Two: The GPU RAM has been boosted to 512MB and is now at 1.2ghz

Week Three: The RSX will have a clock speed of 600mhz and more pipes than G70.

Week Four: The "Wiz" is announced. Key info about connectivity between cell and the GPU are released.

(I made up "Wiz" by the way, it was just something I thought up.)

I really think that if Sony wants to limit XBox's sales they need to progressively boost the specs of the PS3.

Right now, just tooooooo many PS3 specs match up with XBox specs.

That needs to change.

The average mommy or daddy going to buy a PS3 for their kid won't realize that 3.2 ghz Cell CPU is more powerful than the 3.2ghz XBOX CPU.

[Angeljuice]

Fair enough.

I think the PSP will play a big role during this launch window, as it is still pretty new to most people, and it's a handheld that SONY can market to just about ANYBODY!!! And then release GTA Liberty City Stories - a variation of the phenomenon on PS2 (that convinced most people I know to get a PS2) - and I think it'll give M$ a good run for it's money!

You're quite right, especially here in europe where the PSP won't be officially released until September.
I know several people who are eagerly awaiting the PSP's release, if they do indeed buy it, they aren't going to have the spare cash to buy a 360 when it's released.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Why isn't anyone considering Nintendo Revolution? They could blow everyone away with the Revolution. It would take alot to over-shadow Sony's and MS's launch and draw enough attention away from them to decrease the sales of PS3 and Xbox360. I think I heard that the X360 will be released only a few weeks here in Australia after it is launched in the rest of the world. If this is true then it is a definate plus for MS in Australia (And everywhere else that gets shafted like us)

[CrumCon]

Actually doesn ayone notice why so many PS2 killer apps will be released Q4 this year?
there so many in-house project within sony studios. And ive been wondering why Square-Enix pushed FFXII to even further dates.

It looks sony Sony has two tactic to battel X360

1. with PS2 killer apps in its end of life-span from both 1st and 3rd party, Slim PSTwo new colors + sprice drops.
2. At last and the final PS3 with killer apps and hypes

the first tactic could really gives X360 runs for its money, no doubt that.. it also makes people waits for the PS3. This kind of tactic is nasty which makes X360 really looks inferior ro consumers eyes.

[xbdestroya]

Why isn't anyone considering Nintendo Revolution? They could blow everyone away with the Revolution. It would take alot to over-shadow Sony's and MS's launch and draw enough attention away from them to decrease the sales of PS3 and Xbox360. I think I heard that the X360 will be released only a few weeks here in Australia after it is launched in the rest of the world. If this is true then it is a definate plus for MS in Australia (And everywhere else that gets shafted like us)

Hey I'm getting a Revolution regardless, so not like I'm not looking forward to it. But the battle between MS and Sony is the bloodier and the more tech oriented. I don't think Nintendo is really doing the 'arms-race' thing that the other two are, and frankly I don't think they need to either. I'm expecting Revolution to be fairly cool actually, even with my favorite franchises taken out of the decision.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Ah ok. I dont know why I didnt think of that. Nintendo said that they arnt in the same 'catagory' or something as Sony or Microsoft and I shouldve known that Nintendo isnt as much about graphics as Sony or MS :\

[lshian]

Forget A$about Halo game on the xbox or the x360, this game are sucks as I played on my PC. It just hype, if the Halo is so goood it willl sell 90 million xbox and PS2 is sell 20 milllions.

It is just to say the xbox fan has no games to talk about only only one game that is halo. I would tell you the Mario and the Zelda is much better game than the stupid Halo.

As you can see no Nintendo or Playstation fanboy go the xbox forums and bash other console!!!! Only Xbox fans!!! Go look at OFFICIAL PLAYSTATION FORUM!!!!! It flood with xbox fanboy. They are so jealous, just go and get a
PLAYSATION (what so difficult?????) and play the games and keep quiet!!!!

Imagine the 90 millions of PS2 users flood the xbox forums bhuwwaha hahahahah!!!!! But most of the PS2 gamers too busy to play the exsclusive games :(

[lshian]

LOL Halo3, if is so good the PC would be a major seller for HALO, M$ hype LOL, sux games!@!!!!! And guess what GTA is beter that HALO LoL@!@!!

[rpgamer_2k5]

the cube_128: I am getting the Revolution as well, how can I miss games like Zelda and Mario?

Anyways, if we look at the titles releasing for the PS2 at Fall, one can see a huge list of Sony and third-party AAA apps coming out. Since I love RPGs, I will be procuring FFVII-II, Dragon Warrior VIII, Radiata Stories, Shining Force Neo, Romancing Saga, Magna Carta, Wild Arms: After Code F, and probably a few more. As for non-RPGs, I will purchase Smackdown vs. Raw: 2006 World Premiere, Castlevania: COD, and Marvel Nemesis.
So, yeah, I will be very financially exhausted. No Xbox 360 for some time as I originally planned.
In addition many more would purchase the other titles available such as Resident Evil 4, Prince of Persia 3, Black, etc..that Ico-like game from SCEE.

Then there is the PSP, some good games on that system will increase sales. Also Sony needs to release a patch allowing homebrew software to run on the PSP without any restrictions (ie. firmware 1.52). No one is really going to purchase the PSP for so a huge amount if it isn't opened. Since the PS3 will be open, the PSP should also be open. Note that the news being circulated by the Idiot Gaming Network pertaining to piracy is rubbish. That KXploit crack allows one to play emulators on the PSP and many including myself will love to play legally owned games on the PSP. I have yet to purchase the handheld but its faith IMO is determined by how it treats homebrew applications.

[Domination]

For sure. Not doubting Halo's popularity or success, but do you really think that the market leader is just gonna release their console and leave it at that? I believe this is a strategy that M$ should've kept quiet about...at least not brag about it so early. Now I know they may have more cards up their sleeve for SONY, but this basically told SONY to prep up a killer app for launch to battle this threat.

What if GT5 was released as a bundle with the PS3...or FFXII was moved onto the PS3 and released - at launch - with the PS3.

I'm sure SONY won't be so quick to say "we've got this and that for launch" just yet, as I'm sure they'll wait and see what M$ has in store for them...then devise a plan.

Anyways, I think a GT4 with an online component for the X360 launch wouldn't be so bad!

I agree. This is exactly what I don't get about the people at Microsoft. It's like these guys can't keep quiet even if their lives depended on it, and I'm almost 100% sure that it is due to these guys not having as much to deliver, not to mention this kinda competition. It's like every time you may think they have a chance of pulling forward, they'll kill it by blurting out what their plans are - and much too soon at that. When head to head like this, you can clearly tell who the underdog is as far as marketing goes.

[lshian]

Halo popularity and success on the xbox only!!!!

[Domination]

Why isn't anyone considering Nintendo Revolution? They could blow everyone away with the Revolution. It would take alot to over-shadow Sony's and MS's launch and draw enough attention away from them to decrease the sales of PS3 and Xbox360. I think I heard that the X360 will be released only a few weeks here in Australia after it is launched in the rest of the world. If this is true then it is a definate plus for MS in Australia (And everywhere else that gets shafted like us)

I don't care how much these guys are getting downplayed, not only do i respect Nintendo, but I honestly believe their next console will be more powerful than the Xbox 360.

Halo popularity and success on the xbox only!!!!

A single game is great, but up against a console's launching window. I'm not moved. It would be the same as Sony only having GTA or Nintendo having Zelda.

[Voidler]

I really do hope the big FFXII surprise is that it's now a PS3 launch title. It wouldn't surprise me though, seems like a lot of things are pointing to that. I mean it was 85% done back in 2003. It came to E3 2004, fully playable, even with full voice acting (Japanese) and a soundtrack that sounded complete. They said we'd have it in early 2004, yet here we are expecting a 2006 release (incidentally to coincide with when PS3 is supposed to be released). Then there is the fact that they come up to this year and they don't have a demo, but they've transgressed to completely that they can't or won't even show a picture or ingame video? Or how about the fact that they showed that video during a conference dedicated ENTIRELY to PS3, and didn't even mention (reconfirm) it as a PS2 title (only saying, PS3 will be backwards compatible and you'll be playing it on your PS3. If that was to put us off, I dunno.) It could be argued that it's just troubles inside Square Enix, but I don't see how on Earth that would stop them from even showing the game, or even having a demo. They are showing teaser images of every game they're supposed to be showing at E3, having small summary previews in Famitsu and such on all their games EXCEPT FFXII. Now we know they have a secret, but that shouldn't stop them releasing pictures at the least anyway UNLESS the big secret was something visual.;)

We know that FFVII tech demo engine has to go to wards something. Here's hoping PS3 gets the perfect killer app it needs with FFXII ^_^

[lshian]

Yes the world most sellable rpg title is still FF series. It the best rpg games I would said from FFI till now. Even the worst FF series is still among the best rpg of all other genres.

This is what the Xboxer's fan missed :(

[rpgamer_2k5]

No! No! No! Final Fantasy XII must remain with the PS2 and it will obviously remain with the PS2. Square-Enix will not take a risk and ignore the 90-million userbase PS2 over the new PS3. Expect XII-II or VII/-III to be a launch title but even that is quite unlikely.

If a new Arc the Lad RPG (that ignores the End of Darkness progression) then that title will be really successful at launch. I would expect some RPGs to be out at launch unlike before.

[lshian]

FF XII will remain in PS2 as they(SE) invested amount time and money already, why not releasing it, even without consider the user base of PS2. And moreover the PS3 can play it with enhanced graphic :P(I hope so). GO PS2 GO! GO! GO! AND PS3 ALSO!!!!

[Voidler]

No! No! No! Final Fantasy XII must remain with the PS2 and it will obviously remain with the PS2. Square-Enix will not take a risk and ignore the 90-million userbase PS2 over the new PS3. Expect XII-II or VII/-III to be a launch title but even that is quite unlikely.

If a new Arc the Lad RPG (that ignores the End of Darkness progression) then that title will be really successful at launch. I would expect some RPGs to be out at launch unlike before.Well maybe. Either way, we'll be playing an amazing game. But yeah, you are probably right about the userbase argument. Then again. Square might've really encountered problems when trying to "revolutionise" the series on PS2, I mean the load times in FFX were horrendous.. Imagine FFXII. I do think though, it could sell just as well if not better than on PS2. There's the fact that the userbase is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller, but then there is the factor that the game library and lineup is too, even against Square's own games like Kingdom Hearts 2, Dragon Quest VIII, Grandia 3, Code Age and FFVII Dirge of Cerberus - which they've been very open about the fact they don't want them to clash. It would be THE number one game on PS3, no doubt about that.

I'm happy either way though.:P I just want a really good killer app for PS3. I'm hoping for a Dark Cloud 3 on PS3. Their titles have dissapeared off the face of the planet too. We were supposed to hear about their PSP and PS2 title early this year :(

[warmachine]

Don't forget other Killeraps for PS2:

Jak X
Ratchet & Clank Deadlock
Sly 3
24 - The Game
etc.

or for PSP:

Medievil (I loved that game)
Daxter
Pursuit Force
etc.


FF XII at PS3? Not gonna happen!
FF XII at XBOX launch? Most likely!

Or maybe a God of War 2 for PS3 launch? ;)

And, yeah, I'm also a RPGfanatic who invested 100€ in a modding of his PS2 just to play RPGs imported from the US.
Dragon Quest where are you? :(

[lshian]

Don't forget other Killeraps for PS2:

FF XII at PS3? Not gonna happen!
FF XII at XBOX launch? Most likely!



The is no FF series for XBox360, FFXI only for online!!!! SE already comfirm have the FF series making on the PS3.

[Voidler]

The is no FF series for XBox360, FFXI only for online!!!! SE already comfirm have the FF series making on the PS3.I think he meant it's going to come out on PS2 at X360's launch not PS3's. Otherwise, he's just silly to think it'll come to X360.

[warmachine]

Yeah I meant that it will be released on PS2 at XBOX 360 launch. (or around that time)

I think I play videogames long enough to know that FF XII will be no XBOX 360 titel. :crazy2:

[lshian]

Oppps sorry about that :P There is too much xbox fanboy get my nerve on it lol. Xbox 360 forget it. Only the fanatic PC user will buy it, most of the console gamer will not like it. I have few friend which rich enough to buy all the console, and guess what those xbox and gc are collecting dust only.

[rpgamer_2k5]

No, FFXII will be releasing at 2006 (earliest).

[Z]

first of all, a game -no matter how big it is- can never face off a hardware. you think people lining up to buy the monster that is PS3 will go like : "hey, they say Halo 3 is out now. I'll buy that game instead of PS3." the same goes if big names are released during X2's launch. the thing is this move is more psychological than real. MS doesn't have anything else. so they might as well release a game or two during PS3's launch time.

to note, X2 is releasing in the holidays. that is the busiest time of the year. do you know that more than half of all games are released during that time?! so you can bet that we will see all the blockbuster heavy hitters then. not mentioning PSP, DS or Cube, it is enough to imagine what PS2 has in store. PS2 has been having a better and better year since launch. this year, or should I say in the coming 6 months since half of the year has already went by (so quickly?!) we will be seeing the biggest ever PS2 titles. these are just a sample:
FF12
Kingdom Hearts2
Draqon Quest 8
Soul Calibur 3 (PS2 exclusive)
GT online
Shadow of the Colossus
MGS3: Subsistence
Genji
Onimusha 4
etc.

along with the multiplatform hitters like:
Prince of Persia 3
Burnout 4
Winning Eleven Online
Resident Evil 4


as you can evidently notice Sony's true strength which is crazy dev support. this continues onto PS3. Squareenix announced full backing of PS3 and specifically mentioning the FF series will be moving on to it. EA as well. and as we saw from the jaw dropping pre-E3 showings, all the other devs can't seem to wait to get their greasy hands on PS3.

now this is note to belittle X2 or its games (which I have yet to see an impressive in-game demo). as I said, being a new hardware and giving the first glipms on what nex-gen will begin to look like counts. as ANY new hardware, expect crazy sales initially. now how long will those sales last is anyone's guess. but having PS3 on your tale and Rev a little after that, it won't be easy to keep the focus on. that is why MS is considering it a priority to shift as soon as they humanly possible.

it will all come down to games. you can announce new, untryed, titles for X2, and PS3 will always have a fan favorite to counter it ALONG with new ones as well. you got Blue Dragon? we got FF13! you got PGR? we got GT5! you got Bouncing Boobs? we got Tekken 6! not to mention the behomiths that stand alon like MGS4! DVC4! God of War2!
AC6 and all the other crazy bunch.

if it is all about the games, Sony got them .
if it is all about tech specs, Sony got them.
if it is all about marketing, Sony got it.
if it is all about installer base, Sony got it.


finally, there is now reason what so ever not to get another console if you financial can afford it. you may want to pic up an X2 or a Rev after you feel they have shown you what they got.

[Voidler]

I agree, a game vs. a console is an idiotic thing to do. As soon as I read that Bill Gates interview "when PS3 launches, it will walk right into Halo 3" I laughed. For two reasons, one because it's not gonna happen unless he was counting on PS3 launching in late 2007 and secondly because Halo 3 would be absolutely crushed. Bring it on I'd say, throw away your number one system seller infront of the biggest thing that is going to happen in years and watch it get steamrolled. It couldn't be more of an unstrategic move because we all know PS3 would simply overshadow it, it would ruin potentially the most hyped game of next gen. Do it Billy, I dare ya lol

[lshian]

Yeah!! Getting all those games can even played on my PS3. I wonder those xbox1 games will be sellable when the xbox360 at luanch?? No wonder the PS1 still selling. hhmmm..

[CrumCon]

Square-enix dont have enough time to port FFXII to PS3 right now, not to mention it would not use PS3 real power.

Im sure FFXIII is in the working now, but i doubt it will be a launch title for PS3.

But imagine FF13 with HD FMV!

[Voidler]

Square-enix dont have enough time to port FFXII to PS3 right now, not to mention it would not use PS3 real power.

Im sure FFXIII is in the working now, but i doubt it will be a launch title for PS3.

But imagine FF13 with HD FMV!I doubt it'd be a quick process, that's why they would've started awhile ago and still have a year left :P I mean they wouldn't really have to work on the gameplay elements, and I'm sure they've been working on it already for awhile IF it did come to PS3

[Hardcore Gamer]

Or maybe a God of War 2 for PS3 launch? ;)

I'd love to see GOW2, but the reality is Sony Santa Monica spent 3 years developing the original. I'd probably expect part 2 in 2007 at the earliest. This game needs to be a masterpiece, not a rush job.

Kratos on the PS3? Where's the drool smiley when you need it?

[Voidler]

It's a great time to be a PS2 owner. This is probably the best "going away" season ever for a console. The PS2 is definitely going out with a bang.

As for GOW2, I'd love to see that, but the reality is Sony Santa Monica spent 3 years developing the original. I'd probably expect part 2 in 2007 at the earliest. This game needs to be a masterpiece, not a rush job.

Kratos on the PS3? Where's the drool smiley when you need it?I agree. I think the sequel will start pretty soon, if not already in early stages. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like David Jaffe will be taking a role (or atleast a big one) this time, he's working on a PSP title at Incog now. :( Here's to hoping they can pull off a sequel without him.

[Domination]

It's a great time to be a PS2 owner. This is probably the best "going away" season ever for a console. The PS2 is definitely going out with a bang.

As for GOW2, I'd love to see that, but the reality is Sony Santa Monica spent 3 years developing the original. I'd probably expect part 2 in 2007 at the earliest. This game needs to be a masterpiece, not a rush job.

Kratos on the PS3? Where's the drool smiley when you need it?

If you mean a bang by Sony is introducing a new console, then i agree. But if you mean a bang as in this being the end of the PS2 being marketed on shelves and being developed for, that would be false since the PS2 will have 10 years (this year being number five) before it ceases on both producting and development. The PSP will follow this trend and most likely the PS3 as well. Sony is basically giving the consumers enough time to purchase the product before killing it off. And even if they don't get enough time within that ten year period, Sony still makes it possible by extending the library of every new console with backward compatibility.

[Hardcore Gamer]

If you mean a bang by Sony is introducing a new console, then i agree. But if you mean a bang as in this being the end of the PS2 being marketed on shelves and being developed for, that would be false since the PS2 will have 10 years (this year being number five) before it ceases on both producting and development. The PSP will follow this trend and most likely the PS3 as well. Sony is basically giving the consumers enough time to purchase the product before killing it off. And even if they don't get enough time within that ten year period, Sony still makes it possible by extending the library of every new console with backward compatibility.
True, they did continue marketing the PS1 after the PS2's launch. But I'm talking from a consumers perspective. Most gamers, presumably casuals, are going to be looking forward to the new hardware once it arrives. PS1 games continued to sell pretty well after the PS2 launched, but people were in a frenzy over the PS2. I mean, people were buying PS2's for 1 grand on Ebay. At the EB where I purchased my PS2, there was a "second launch" so to speak for people that didn't get one at launch. The line was pretty long, too.

With the way Sony markets their products, I'd expect more excitement for the PS3.

[Z]

Sony Santa Monica spent 3 years developing the original. I'd probably expect part 2 in 2007 at the earliest. true, but making an original IP is always more challenging than a sequel. in a sequel, you only need to tweak the controlls, add new elements and up the design a bit. it is always easier to make a sequel. that is why we see sequels as more than 50% of games released.

by that, two years is enough for a second Kratus masaccare! so your 2007 seems somewhat accurate.

for those who expect huge names as launch titles, am sorry to burst your bobble but it ain't gonna happen. it is outrageous to expect the likes of FF13, GoW2, K3, GT5, and the rest of the giants as launch or even pre launch titles. I would be extremely optimistic if I say 6 months after launch is the earliest to expect these Heavy Hitters.

besides, I am yet to drool over a single game graphics shown for X2. Gears of War look the best, and it comes from the Unreal team, the makers of UT2007 and other games for PS3. I am still suffering from the shock of the horrible, oh so horrible, MTV charade...*sigh*

I think something more important for MS to focus on is to avoid the mistake they did with Box's launch. after launch, Box titles went dry for months. it had that uncomfortable silence till the new games started roling- and not by much I may add.

they should learn from Sony how to provide a constant stream of titles throughout the year. always having something new for gamers to look forward to.

[Domination]

True, they did continue marketing the PS1 after the PS2's launch. But I'm talking from a consumers perspective. Most gamers, presumably casuals, are going to be looking forward to the new hardware once it arrives. PS1 games continued to sell pretty well after the PS2 launched, but people were in a frenzy over the PS2. I mean, people were buying PS2's for 1 grand on Ebay. At the EB where I purchased my PS2, there was a "second launch" so to speak for people that didn't get one at launch. The line was pretty long, too.

With the way Sony markets their products, I'd expect more excitement for the PS3.

Ok, I can understand that then.

[Z]

notice the biggest names are announced to offically shift to PS3. we have seen the last of PS2's Silent Hill, FF, Ace Combat, Tekken, MGS, etc. now they are only available on PS3. talk about generation shifts and seller names!

[Voidler]

I'd rather see some new franchises make it big, personally.

[Jasonps3]

Well, judging by Sony's history of making big franchises:

PS1: Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Tekken, Grand Turismo, Crash Bandicoot

PS2: Grand Theft Auto, Jak, Ratchet and Clank, God of War, Silent Hill, Kingdom Hearts, Katamari Damacy, Devil May Cry

Yeah, I think they managed.

[Voidler]

Yeah I expect so. But what? Perhaps Heavenly Sword or I-8? I can see I-8 getting big if its good, I have some doubts about Heavenly Sword. I expect Motorstorm to be about as popular as the ATV games. I'm just waiting to see something mind blowing of a new franchises :)

[Z]

expect the first wave to be concentrated on eyecandy. this is a new gen and gamers will be mostly looking for waht is 'new'. we are still amazed by the new graphical feats. but give it time for classics to be born. Rome wasn't built in a day. you need time to come up with a new mamoth. what is pleasently surprising is that Sony doesn't just deliver on hardware, but it makes some if the biggest games ever. in PS1 we say many classics. PS2, we've seen Sony and the others offering new gems like Devil May Cray, which became synnonymous with 'action' and 'crazy moves'. we have seen great platfomrs as R&C, J&D and Sly. we have seen Kingdom Hearts, Killzone, the critically acclaimed SOCOM, the fan favorite ICO- and now Shadow of the Colossus. how about THE most horrifing game Fatal Frame? and other new horrers Clock Tower 3, Siren and the graphically stunning Demento (Haunting Grounds).

rest assure that Sony nows how to deliver. they stated thais in their pre-E3 show. they said current franchises are the base, and we need new blood to strive higher. that is why the began by showing sequels of favorites, then the scond half of the trailers were all new titles from some of the biggest developers around- inclusing Sony itself.

[Exodus]

the cube_128: I am getting the Revolution as well, how can I miss games like Zelda and Mario?

Anyways, if we look at the titles releasing for the PS2 at Fall, one can see a huge list of Sony and third-party AAA apps coming out. Since I love RPGs, I will be procuring FFVII-II, Dragon Warrior VIII, Radiata Stories, Shining Force Neo, Romancing Saga, Magna Carta, Wild Arms: After Code F, and probably a few more. As for non-RPGs, I will purchase Smackdown vs. Raw: 2006 World Premiere, Castlevania: COD, and Marvel Nemesis.
So, yeah, I will be very financially exhausted. No Xbox 360 for some time as I originally planned.
In addition many more would purchase the other titles available such as Resident Evil 4, Prince of Persia 3, Black, etc..that Ico-like game from SCEE.

Then there is the PSP, some good games on that system will increase sales. Also Sony needs to release a patch allowing homebrew software to run on the PSP without any restrictions (ie. firmware 1.52). No one is really going to purchase the PSP for so a huge amount if it isn't opened. Since the PS3 will be open, the PSP should also be open. Note that the news being circulated by the Idiot Gaming Network pertaining to piracy is rubbish. That KXploit crack allows one to play emulators on the PSP and many including myself will love to play legally owned games on the PSP. I have yet to purchase the handheld but its faith IMO is determined by how it treats homebrew applications.

You mean the Magna Carta that was only released for Korea?

[Z]

isn't that a PC only game along with Ragna Rock? did I get the second part correct? they have great art styles by the way.

[bRoNx]

New successful franchises on PS3 is almost a given, especially when so many were successfully made on PS2. The PLAYSTATION name has been good to dev's, and dev's have been good to PLAYSTATION...and I don't see this changing anytime soon.

[Applefiend]

This whole Xbox "Halo, halo, halo and more halo" thing hurts Xbox as much as it helps it.

I like Halo just fine, it's not my favourite shooter by a long way, that would be Half Life 2, but Halo is good. But the obsession with Halo and PC shooters in general on Xbox is a real turn off.

There are games I like on XBox, but they sell in the tens of thousands, which isn't enough to pay for their development costs. Psychonauts, Otogi, Phantom Dust and the like sold incredibly badly. Even PGR2 only sold 642,000 I'm told.

So yeah, Halo, Halo, Halo and more Halo. Halo all the time.

Wake me up when someone makes a 2.5D shooter like Ikaruga or something else I really like.

[warmachine]

Wake me up when someone makes a 2.5D shooter like Ikaruga or something else I really like.

Or a Nippon RPG, a good J&R (I HATE Blinx), a good 3rd Person Shooter, (Brute Force also sucked), a non-multiplatform Action Adventure etc.

There are only 2 genres on the XBox: FPS, and Racers.

[Applefiend]

They do exist.

The 2 good xbox platformers are Psychonauts (Which I'm playing on PC and it's looks like I'll bang through it in 12 hours), and Rayman 3. Neither are exclusive. Neither are Jak'n'Daxter / Ratchet / Sly calibre.

Good third person shooter is Psi-Ops, also non exclusive.

But I 100% take your point.

As yer man Kaz sez, it's all about the content.

Nintendo gamecube has a much better range of titles, and makes a much better 2nd choice console. So who needs a third choice?

[F089/H]

Why isn't anyone considering Nintendo Revolution? They could blow everyone away with the Revolution. It would take alot to over-shadow Sony's and MS's launch and draw enough attention away from them to decrease the sales of PS3 and Xbox360. I think I heard that the X360 will be released only a few weeks here in Australia after it is launched in the rest of the world. If this is true then it is a definate plus for MS in Australia (And everywhere else that gets shafted like us)


Will there be anoter Super Smash Bros for it? They'd better
:realmad

Regardless,yes,I am getting one!

[rpgamer_2k5]

Exodus: "You mean the Magna Carta that was only released for Korea?"

Yes, Magna Carta: Tears of Blood. Atlus will be bringing it over to the West and it will be released this November in the US.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Will there be anoter Super Smash Bros for it? They'd better
:realmad

Regardless,yes,I am getting one!
Yeh. At E3, Satoru Iwata (Nintendo President) said that they are working on it and he is really pushing everyone to get it done for launch, and itll be online. :D

[Forbiden]

PS3 + KillZone vs Halo 3. Halo 3 shall prevail. They did real good with the advertisment for 2 and I know they will do better with 3. Also if they bump it up to 50 players online, OMG, that shit would be awesome. Also if it lets you play as the Flood, then KillZone and and the PS3 can kiss my black/white/tan ass!!!

I dont know if this has been said before(i am using dial up and cant read trough 3 pages worth of posts), but keep in mind a few things before backing up your statement.
First, keep in mind that Halo 2 took about 2 1/2 years to produce, and that is keeping in mind the fact that Bungie already had knowledge of the using of the Xbox Dev Kit. Now, the time has been reduced by more than half, and they still have to learn to yield the power of the 360. Advertisement doesnt do it all boy, you got to actualy put effort in the things you do. Its not like i can make a crappy chocolate, advertise, then it will sell, even if its crappy. 50 players online would be even harder to do for bungie, and again, considering the time, it is very unlikely, considering they have about a year to pull this game out of their ass. Those people at bungie(although skilled) IMO are over confident. Once you do something good, you think you can again do it and you loose the standard, the inspiration. Once they doo something somewhat good, then their quality bar goes down.
Now, Killzone is a whole different story, and if you ask me, I am now going for Killzone 3 and PS3(i was saving money for the 360, but when i saw the trailer, i changed my mind), now all my cash is going for PS3.

[lshian]

:) Halo, not my kind of games, even doom3 i feel dizzies lol. But it only games xbox cant brat about, I have no comments. Games like DMC, FF, GTA, MGS, SH, GT, and etcs make me want some more sequels, heck give more!!! I love this gernes of games, tell me to play halo or killzone forget it.

Personal thought only:- FPS never a major hit for Playstation format. :?

[tazz3]

I think Sony will have a price drop on the PSP.
to counter the xbox360 launch.

[Maya 5.0]

I think Sony will have a price drop on the PSP.
to counter the xbox360 launch.


I have believed for some time now that Sony will hit MS with 3 things to disrupt 360.First a price drop on the PSP bundle and then a possible announcement to sell just the PSP alone.Second a price drop of the PS2 to either $129 or $99.Lastly the PS3 will be highly advertised.

All these things combined when done will give the public the impression that the PS brand is what is hot with hardcore gamers thinking 360.

[xbdestroya]

I agree Maya - a PS2 price drop coupled with titles like Final Fantasy XII, an expanded PSP library with possible apps outside of gaming like Internet browsing, and a ramp up in Playstation 3 news/advertisement (pre-sales orders anyone?) will combine to make Sony a serious force this holiday season, even without a 'next-gen' console to compete with.

[CrumCon]

No there wont be PSP price drop, but i highly believe Sony will release stand-alone PSP with $179 price tag like the one in Japan.

Keep in mind This not only could causes some trouble for X360, but also Nintendo DS.
off topic here: DS already in price dropping, there are bundles of Mario64 + DS hardware for $149.

back to topic, if sony wants to causes some trouble for X360, they should adv. PSP standalone $179 price tag, just make it look like PSP has just hit the shelves just like x360

[Forbiden]

Sony will make a smart move, its not gona they are gona let MS go by launch like nothing. I believe they will expand their library and mass advertise the PS3 to gain momentum and public( TV advertisements in november, bilboards, magazines, and perhaps in stores and in SCE games.)

[Maya 5.0]

Don't mean to get off topic and talk about the PSP but is anyone else getting that impression that a browser for the PSP aint comming?

Im thinking the only way we are going to get something like that is if someone other than Sony does it.There have been times in the past where Sony says that a certain application will come later only to be forgoten like the BB navigator for the PS2 HDD.I ask this because this was a feature that i was very interested with.

[Coded-Dude]

wait till after a worldwide launch, then decide
I don't think they will release all of the features(firmware upgrades) until everyone has one....ESPECIALLY Europe/UK.

We will see the GPS device, the Keyboard, teh Camera, and maybe even a cell phone accessorie(somethign like the tv accessory)

[rpgamer_2k5]

Maya 5.0: If that happens then we'll be seeing more homebrew browsers appear on the PSP. Sony should ensure that their next firmware will be more friendly toward homebrew apps. I really don't believe that Sony is required to turn the PSP into a real portable multimedia system.

[O.D.S]

i went to my local store here yesterday to get a quote on a PSP for when it comes out.
It turns out that when it does eventually get released in september we (in Australia) will be getting both options, the bundle and seperate stand alone unit...this could be a world wide release around that time (im speculating here)

[Z]

Sony says that a certain application will come later only to be forgoten like the BB navigator for the PS2 HDD

actually, the BB navigator is alive and kicking in Japan. also, the web brouser is offered in Korea since launch. and it isn't a big deal, if ony doesn't provide one, one will eventually pop up anyway.

about the periphirals shown with PSP like the camera, GPS, etc; sone never announced anything. those were given as possible options in the future. again, if sony doesn't make them some other manufactorer will make one. beside, how well do you think a PSP GPS will sell? even more practicle add-ons like a cell phone option may not perform that well in sales.
also, it is only been so long since PSP launched in N.America. Europe is still waiting for it. once PSP gets world popularity and success, expect a ton of new things being made for it from both 1party and 3 party providers.

[Forbiden]

You know, that Sony TV Tuner on MEmory Stick Duo was shown, and it was stated for all Sony handhelds. And what is the PSP? THE Sony handheld, I think we will soon have a TV tuner for the PSP(Watching power rangers at work, amazing.)

[Maya 5.0]

Well i really hope these applications come to pass.Hope no one got the impression i was anti Sony there but the way Sony handled the PS2 HDD kind of hurt :(.

Yes i did know the the BB navigator was released in Japan but that really did me no good with me being here in the U.S.

But man i can remember the anger in those PS forums of all those that finally realized what had come of the HDD.

[CrumCon]

I have a question about Bluetooth technology,
since i have a bluetooth adapter on my pc, i am able to connect or paried any bluetooth devices to it, like my keyboard & mouse.

But im curious about PS3 ones. Are we able to connect out wireless bluetooth mouse or keyboard? or is it just ment for PS3 controllers? :) :)

im sure not, since they planned to release linux for PS3 im sure we could connect any bluetooth devices to it.

well another advantage for ps3, not to mention it would be a secondary Desktop

[Coded-Dude]

you are correct in your assumption CrumCon it should be able to ientify most bluetooth devices(pc related of course)
...I don 't think it will recognize your bluetooth cell phone accessory, though it might.

[F089/H]

Yeh. At E3, Satoru Iwata (Nintendo President) said that they are working on it and he is really pushing everyone to get it done for launch, and itll be online. :D



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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry yall!!:(

You know what "its"called?

[Forbiden]

you are correct in your assumption CrumCon it should be able to ientify most bluetooth devices(pc related of course)
...I don 't think it will recognize your bluetooth cell phone accessory, though it might.

The funny thing about bluetooth controllers in the PS3 is that...with the PS and PS2, everyone complained that it only had 2 slots and that it should be expanded. Now, it has 7, about 3 more than the competition, and everyone criticises it because they are too much and it sucks cause it can have too many and why seven blah blah blah. The fact is that people just hate Sony for the fact that their consoles are more popular than others....

[Domination]

The funny thing about bluetooth controllers in the PS3 is that...with the PS and PS2, everyone complained that it only had 2 slots and that it should be expanded. Now, it has 7, about 3 more than the competition, and everyone criticises it because they are too much and it sucks cause it can have too many and why seven blah blah blah. The fact is that people just hate Sony for the fact that their consoles are more popular than others....

Sadly, that's what it boils down to.

[SuperLuigiBros]

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry yall!!:(

You know what "its"called?
Nah, thats all we know about it.

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=36810

There was a rumour about it being called Super Smash Bros. Fire, but I'm pretty sure thats been proven to be fake.

[xbdestroya]

I have a question about Bluetooth technology,
since i have a bluetooth adapter on my pc, i am able to connect or paried any bluetooth devices to it, like my keyboard & mouse.

But im curious about PS3 ones. Are we able to connect out wireless bluetooth mouse or keyboard? or is it just ment for PS3 controllers? :) :)

im sure not, since they planned to release linux for PS3 im sure we could connect any bluetooth devices to it.

well another advantage for ps3, not to mention it would be a secondary Desktop

There was speculation in another thread at some point that among others, for the Linux/Cell OS Sony would probably sell a bluetooth keyboard/mouse set; afterall you don't want to be limited by cords if you're surfing on a tv, right? We'll see what happens with that. And though I agree with Dude that you probably shouldn't expect it to sync up with your cell phone, SonyEricsson is bluetooth-crazy enough that there might be some interplay there afterall.

Oh well just speculation of course.

[bRoNx]

I'm hoping that SONY's strategy for the X360 launch will become a little clearer after their PlayStation meeting today.

I've been searching for some information coming out of the meeting so far, but can't find anything...

I'm sure the King of Hype has something in store for X360, but I think the PS3 machine won't fully kick into gear until after the holiday period. Afterall, SONY wouldn't want people to forget about the PS2!