Survey indicates Blu Ray gaining momentum

[Domination]

I meant to post this the other day, but I didn't have the time.

An independent survey and poll carried out by Penn, Schoen, and Berland Associates indicates that the Blu-Ray format has the advantage over HD-DVD in the coming battle between the two standards, though both formats are still to launch. The poll also covered 1,200 respondents, 58% of whom indicated a preference for Blu-Ray, compared to 16% in favor of HD-DVD.

The survey examined several aspects of each format, including support from hardware manufacturers, film industry content providers, and disc capacity. Reasons cited for consumers' preference were a wider availability of devices that support the Blu-Ray format, backward compatibility with the current DVD spec, and its higher-capacity storage for recording.

"While we are still in the pre-launch phase for both formats, Blu-ray Disc is the early front-runner," said Mark Penn of Penn, Schoen, and Berland Associates. "Consumers perceive Blu-ray as the favorite on technology company support, gaming, storage, and disc versatility."

The poll may be good news for Sony, whose upcoming PlayStation 3 will use the Blu-Ray format for its games. The machine is the only one of the next-generation systems to use a next-generation storage format; both the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Revolution will use the current DVD standard. Talks between the Blu-Ray Disc Association and the competing HD-DVD group of a possible unified format appear to have ground to a halt, meaning that the PS3's support may be a key weapon in Blu-Ray's fight for supremacy.

Source (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=5926)

This can only mean good news if Toshiba and NEC decides to compete with Blu Ray. :smile: Hopefully the votes will stay that way, pushing the inferior format competely out of the picture.

[Viper]

Perhaps my math is off tonight but 58 + 16 = ?

[GUNDAMSEED]

Maybe the others did not care about next gen dvd . so that would be 58 +16 = 74. The other 26 might not have given a damn or think dvds is all they need , might have not like any of the two formats , wanted only one format etc etc .

[Domination]

Maybe the others did not care about next gen dvd . so that would be 58 +16 = 74. The other 26 might not have given a damn or think dvds is all they need , might have not like any of the two formats , wanted only one format etc etc .

Actually, you are correct, Gundamseed. It was mentioned in another annoucement.

[Eidorian]

I want someone to win this format war... Even if it is crappy Sony. I'll just buy a Samsung Blu-Ray player.

[Domination]

LOL! Why do people do this?

Note to the misinformed: Sony is a global firm in many areas. No matter how much you may dislike them or feel the need to not support them, sometimes you are given little choice. When you turn on your television set, they are there; when you listen to certain tracks of music, they are there; when you purchase certain pieces of hard or software, they are there. Even that little Samsung drive will have Sony's name all over it.

It is not about one wanting another to dominate; it is about Blu Ray just being a much better format.

[Eidorian]

I know that Samsung licensed the drive and media technology from Sony. I just don't want to support them anymore than I have too. Samsung has turned out a lot more quality products compared to the Sony ones I've owned.

[kaphwan]

^ Bloody XBox fanboys... I hope they aren't all like that.

Another factor in the next-gen DVD war would be Sony buying out MGM studios http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3653254.stm.

MGM own about half of all movies made (actually i read 60% but i'm scaling it down, even though I read this in a TIME magazine, a considerably reliable source). If Sony really wanted to be tricky about this, they could ensure that any of those movies, if re-released, were exclusive to Blu-Ray format.

Remember that Sony's Betamax lost the video cassette wars to the VHS due to three things:

1. No backing from publishers and movie companies... not this time, Sony Pictures and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer will produce movies in the format, possibly exclusively, and the Walt Disney Company has shown support for the format, albeit without an exclusivity guarantee.

2. VHS cassettes had twice the capacity of the Betamax cassettes... not this time, the Blu-Ray discs will have fifty gigabytes per layer as opposed to the HD-DVD's thirty.

3. Being the first of it's kind to market. This led to legal action from movie companies such as Disney and Universal Studios sparked by the uncertainty of an entirely new product and therefore a new concept (i.e. the consumer is now able to watch copyrighted movies at home... and pirate movies as well) ... not this time, as this idea is no longer new.

Possible stumbling blocks for the Blu-Ray would be its price, its relative difficulty to make products for (the HD-DVDs are quite similar to program with normal DVDs) and the fact that HD-DVD players will most probably come out much sooner than Blu-Ray players. These factors didn't seem to affect the success of the PS2 all that severely, so perhaps Sony are on a winning streak?

We'll probably just have to see how it turns out... but you know what side I'm backing...

Source http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/129058.html

[stanDarsh]

There are more reasons than that, such as Sony made a huge mistake by not licensing the Beta technology to other companies, whereas if I remember correctly JVC came up with VHS and licensed the technology to pretty much all the other major electronics manufacturers of that time. Even though the image quality of VHS was not as superior as Beta, VHS was also cheaper to produce, which is also another factor that comes into the equation.

[Eidorian]

Yeah, I do hate Sony products. But as a consumer I don't want to deal with backing the wrong side before the players and media is even out. I'll just sit back with my 8 year old TV and iMac. I'll just buy the media that remains standing after this fight. Even if it is Blu-Ray. As long as it's cheap and well supported like current DVD's. Hell, even dual layer DVD's are too expensive for my tastes.

[Eidorian]

http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=03200000PKBK


A poll conducted by the group backing the Blu-ray...Hmm...

In the poll, conducted by Penn, Schoen and Berland AssociatesHmm....

[Metal Sphere]

If you dislike Sony, their products, marketing, goals and long term visions you really don't need to be in this thread. Unless your goal is to irritate the members who genuinely want to contribute to this thread. You've yet to take into account that folks actually know about Blu-Ray enough to have formed an opinion on it.

BTW, there's a place on the TeamXbox forums called General Xbox Discussion. I'm positive you won't find pesky folks like us who actually enjoy Sony's products.

Goes to show that consumers aren't as dumb as we make them out to be. A major factor in Blu-Ray's success will be the support of Hewlett-Packard and Dell (Largest and second largest PC makers in the world, respectively). Microsoft's backing HD-DVD but with these titans supporting the rival format it will have to yield.

If anything everything looks win/win situation for Blu-Ray, with it's caveats being minimal (like cost) and redoing production facilities. It's not mentioned often, but Blu-Ray discs are made faster than HD-DVDs.

[Eidorian]

Please stop saying Xbox. Microsoft is next on my list for making Windows. I'm just presenting my case that this survey is skewed greatly in favor of Blu-Ray.

I'm just tired of this HD war when I don't have a HDTV. I do however want a larger and CHEAPER storage medium than the current Dual Layer DVD's. I'm reaching my limit of storage on 4.7 (4.4) GB and Dual Layer prices haven't dropped.

We can't even begin to take into account the consumers when there isn't any content available to the masses. So taking a poll when there isn't anything to buy is pointless. Roll out some players and movies first.

Deciding a winnner from corporate backing can only go so far when it comes to these content giants. Microsoft or HP/Dell might be enough to sway it to one side. Especially since you don't see software being made "IBM Compatable" anymore but "Windows Compatable".

[Domination]

I know that Samsung licensed the drive and media technology from Sony. I just don't want to support them anymore than I have too. Samsung has turned out a lot more quality products compared to the Sony ones I've owned.

Not that I have had any problems with any of their electronics and very few from others such as those you mentioned, but does bad quality also fall under a lot of their content as well? I mean, let's be mature, honest, adults here. You labeled them as crappy, and that's your opinion, and I respect that. But now I am trying to understand the why. If I were to wager, I'd say that label spoke in general since you later followed that comment with "I just don't want to support them anymore than I have too." when you spoke of another brand name. Feel free to correct me if you'd like.

But anyway, maybe you're right or maybe it's just that you are a bit careless with a lot of your things. I can't be the judge of that since I don't really know. All I know is I want the best format to win, which is Blu Ray. In my opinion, it is far superior to HD-DVD. One of Blu Ray's added bonus advantages is the scratch proof coating on the discs. This will prove very useful than the overprotected, bulky, secure casings.

And while we're still on the subject, I'd say those discs fit well in your taste for demanding a certain height in quality.:aim;-]:

[Eidorian]

I'm going to have to search for what Sony acquisition content that I own. My of my purchased music comes off of iTunes and the rest is VGM or soundtracks. I will go out of my way to avoid purchasing music and movies from a Sony owned acquisitions.

Sony had a lot of trouble getting rid of the Blu-Ray caddy but once TDK released their disk armor, the Blu-Ray consortium jumped on that. I have no problem with the actual quality of the Blu-Ray disks though. 15-20 GB per disk for now is fine for me.

[Domination]

So would you have rather Sony release a disc that had to use a cartridge or look for a solution to better its quality? To me, it sounds as if you are trying to fault them for correcting a future problem. I mean, if you're going to complain about quality, why not fault NEC or Toshiba for trying to release a low capacity disc that is prone to scratches?

As for the other content, what would be the purpose of not purchasing a movie just because it has a Sony name on it. Are you trying to imply that Sony's cinema content is crappy just because they are the publishers? I ask you, what does this have to do with breakage or low quality for you to consider it to be crappy?

[Eidorian]

So would you have rather Sony release a disc that had to use a cartridge or look for a solution to better its quality? To me sounds as if you are trying to fault them for correcting a future problem. I mean, if you're going to complain about quality, why not fault NEC or Toshiba for trying to release a low capacity disc that is prone to scratches?The Blu-Ray Consortium did solve the cartridge problem.


As for the other content, what would be the purpose of not purchasing a movie just because it has a Sony name on it. Are you trying to imply that Sony's cinama content is crappy just because they are the publishers? I ask you, what does this have to do with breakage or low quality for you to consider it to be crappy?Just being a Sony acquistion steers me away.

[Domination]

The Blu-Ray Consortium did solve the cartridge problem.

Just being a Sony acquistion steers me away.

1. I know they solved the cartridge problem. But you are making it seem as if it's nothing worth mentioning since they turned to TDK to do it. I mean, shouldn't they be applaude for taking the extra time and money to correct the problem than to launch a high capacity disc that could easily become useless with a simple scratch? Again, you are talking about Q-U-A-L-I-T-Y and 15 to 20 GB discs but aren't faulting Toshiba and NEC for launching such a low quality disc on markets shelves.

2. You haven't answered the question. What does purchasing a movie under a Sony name have to do with low quailty for you to consider it crappy?

[Eidorian]

Why are you making me repeat my answers?

[Domination]

Why are you making me repeat my answers?

I'm not making you repeat anything. It's just that you aren't answering the questions I am asking you, and some of the thing I am bring up, you are either bouncing around them or completely avoiding them, and at times even contradict yourself.

I would really like a more elaborate answer to the last question.

[Eidorian]

I'm not making you repeat anything. It's just that you aren't answering the questions I am asking you, and some of the thing I am bring up, you are either bouncing around them or completely avoiding them, and at times even contradict yourself.

I would really like a more elaborate answer to the last question.*sigh*

I have no problem with the actual quality of the Blu-Ray disks though.

Just being a Sony acquistion steers me away.

[Z]

the Blu-Ray discs will have fifty gigabytes per layer as opposed to the HD-DVD's thirty.
that is dual layer, actually. per layer would be 27G for BD, and around 15G for HD-DVD.
and the fact that HD-DVD players will most probably come out much sooner than Blu-Ray players.
BD players have been out in Japan since last year. HD-DVD players will be comng out this year.
Especially since you don't see software being made "IBM Compatable" anymore but "Windows Compatable".
MS is a software company. to be more precise, they are an OS company. they do not push hardware standards or have the final say. you think AMD and Intel asked MS's opinion on their new dual-core CPUs? you think ATI and nVidia asked for MS's premission to make their next-gen PC GPUs? it is the software companies that are forced to follow what ever the hardware makers invent and come up with. software can only go so far. where would you think we woule be if it was the other way around?
15-20 GB per disk for now is fine for me.
that is a cheap shot. it is like saying X2 and Rev having four controllers is enough, why would I want seven? or like, DVDs are enough for consoles, why need HD formats?
well, sony supports what you want...then some more. if you say 15-20G of disk space is enough for you, then don't use more than that on a BD. or don't play more than four players on PS3.
this is what MS is saying about Sony supporting 1080p definition in PS3. the say no TV in the world today has support of that. well, PS3 supports all the high-def X2 can pump out. then, sony said a very reasonable thing. they asked that since PS3 will be around for atleast 10 years (as every PS console before it), what if someone bought a new HDTV that supports 1080p? doesn't that customer have the right to use his new products new features? well, sony gives him the option on PS3. if you don't have a TV that high-res, then go lower. you can use a B/W TV for God's sake. everything is supported.

now what I do hate are 'cheap shots'. if you want to critisize or support anyone or anything, do it right. be intelligient about it and convice people. hearing someone calling the products of the No.1 consumer electronics company in the world as having 'crappy' quality sound really childish and boring. go ahead and write almost any kind of product on any tech or consumer shop site and just look at how many of them are Sony brands. I certainly do not have to prove their quality to anyone, since the world consumers are the ones who chose them to be their No.1 favorite.

[Eidorian]

MS is a software company. to be more precise, they are an OS company. they do not push hardware standards or have the final say. you think AMD and Intel asked MS's opinion on their new dual-core CPUs? you think ATI and nVidia asked for MS's premission to make their next-gen PC GPUs? it is the software companies that are forced to follow what ever the hardware makers invent and come up with. software can only go so far. where would you think we woule be if it was the other way around?

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winhec/default.mspx

that is a cheap shot. it is like saying X2 and Rev having four controllers is enough, why would I want seven? or like, DVDs are enough for consoles, why need HD formats?
well, sony supports what you want...then some more. if you say 15-20G of disk space is enough for you, then don't use more than that on a BD. or don't play more than four players on PS3.
this is what MS is saying about Sony supporting 1080p definition in PS3. the say no TV in the world today has support of that. well, PS3 supports all the high-def X2 can pump out. then, sony said a very reasonable thing. they asked that since PS3 will be around for atleast 10 years (as every PS console before it), what if someone bought a new HDTV that supports 1080p? doesn't that customer have the right to use his new products new features? well, sony gives him the option on PS3. if you don't have a TV that high-res, then go lower. you can use a B/W TV for God's sake. everything is supported.I'm talking about data storage. I want to be able to back up at least 15-20 GB per disk for now. If there's a storage increase later without having to alter the media, I'm all for it. I'm having trouble keeping my 4 GB of music, 3 GB of pictures, +100 GB of video, and 2 GB of personal software downloads on DVD's. Any media that reduces the number of disks I have to use for backup is fine with me. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both reach that storage goal.

I'm not going to be dragged into the console and TV war that's brewing in this thread.

[Domination]

I have no problem with the actual quality of the Blu-Ray disks though.

Just being a Sony acquistion steers me away.

*sigh*

Eidorian, that doesn't change that you WERE infact faulting them for going to TDK for the hardcoating, yet failed to do this when comparing the format to what NEC and Toshiba was offering. So in essense, YOU DID have a problem with the Blu Ray disc.

For the last comment, so basically what you're saying is everything with a Sony name on it is crap, right?

[Eidorian]

Eidorian, that doesn't change that you WERE infact faulting them for going to TDK for the hardcoating, yet failed to do this when comparing the format to what NEC and Toshiba was offering. So in essense, YOU DID have a problem with the Blu Ray disc.TDK offered an extremely protective coating for disks that would only raised the production costs tens of cents per disk. They didn't got to TDK for the coating. They presented the coating at CES 2004. The Blu-Ray Consortium saw this as an easy and cost effective way to get rid of the caddy. Caddies were the largest issue with getting the average consumer to purchase Blu-Ray.


For the last comment, so basically what you're saying is everything with a Sony name on it is crap, right?No, I said Sony acquisitions. MGM is a Sony aquisition which owns the rights to Stargate SG-1. I have chosen not to the DVD's for one of my favorite television series after MGM's purchase by Sony.

[GUNDAMSEED]

Well i guess you don't have any cds or dvds since sony had a hand in them also . I can understand you don't like sony stuff like PS3 ,dvd players,TV's etc etc. But not getting one of your favorite shows cause sony has it is just stupid .Hell i have fair amount of sony movies and they have some of the best in terms of picture, sound and extras.

[Eidorian]

Well i guess you don't have any cds or dvds since sony had a hand in them also . I can understand you don't like sony stuff like PS3 ,dvd players,TV's etc etc. But not getting one of your favorite shows cause sony has it is just stupid .Hell i have fair amount of sony movies and they have some of the best in terms of picture, sound and extras.Actually for Stargate SG-1 I just switched to making DVD recordings using my PVR and iMac. The Sci-Fi logo doesn't bother me.

Note: This is after two Sony DVD Recorders crapped out on me. I even got Sony to admit the recorders were defective after talking to them on the phone.

[Domination]

TDK offered an extremely protective coating for disks that would only raised the production costs tens of cents per disk. They didn't got to TDK for the coating. They presented the coating at CES 2004. The Blu-Ray Consortium saw this as an easy and cost effective way to get rid of the caddy. Caddies were the largest issue with getting the average consumer to purchase Blu-Ray.

Does it matter who went to who? The point is Sony wanted the problem fixed. TDK could not have done it without Sony's OK since it is thier technology. NEC and Toshiba didn't do this because of the cost. But in the end, Sony ended up reducing the cost of the discs anyway to that of the standard DVD disc, which means we get the durable disc as a bonus. But you still faulted them and not NEC/Toshiba for doing it. In other words, you are contradicting yourself for wanting quailty but turning around and complaining about how it was achieved. But that's not only where it stops. You say you like the discs but then claims that their products are crappy, which is your reason for not wanting to support them. Again, that would be contradicting yourself because you're going right back on your previous word in which you labeled the company.

Let's move on...

No, I said Sony acquisitions. MGM is a Sony aquisition which owns the rights to Stargate SG-1. I have chosen not to the DVD's for one of my favorite television series after MGM's purchase by Sony.

This is what you said: I just don't want to support them anymore than I have too.

That was after I explained to you how worldwide they were. From my interpretation of that, you are saying that you don't support anything Sony (you already labeled them) if you aren't necessarily forced to. Which means you hold a certain prejudice to the company as a whole, which was your reason for labeling them crappy. Which means you do think everything with a Sony name on it is crappy, otherwise you would have continued supporting your favorite show despite the merge.

Also here are other comments or yours just to remind you of the above:

"I will go out of my way to avoid purchasing music and movies from a Sony owned acquisitions."


"Yeah, I do hate Sony products."


Would you say you didn't say those things? Honestly, I think you made your point pretty clear. Which kinda troubles me as to why you are even in a General Sony room even though your weren't forced. http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/happy/laugh2.gif

[Eidorian]

My intention was to just comment that I want a victor in this upcoming format war. I don't care if it's HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I just need optical storage to backup my massive amounts of data.

Your reply after my first post dragged me into this.

Secondly the survey is skewed in favor of Blu-Ray since we are not getting it from an unbiased source.

But you still faulted them and not NEC/Toshiba for doing it. In other words, you are contradicting yourself for wanting quailty but turning around and complaining about how it was achieved. But that's not only where it stops.I never faulted NEC/Toshiba. They found a suitable solution from TDK.

[Domination]

My intention was to just comment that I want a victor in this upcoming format war. I don't care if it's HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I just need optical storage to backup my massive amounts of data.

Your reply after my first post dragged me into this.

Secondly the survey is skewed in favor of Blu-Ray since we are not getting it from an unbiased source.

I never faulted NEC/Toshiba. They found a suitable solution from TDK.

LOL! Now it's my fault? That is, by far, the most hilarious thing I have heard all day. You simply put yourself on the spot by saying those things before you actually took the time to not only come to the site, but to a SONY room and thread. I'm sorry, but that is your fault.

BTW, I nevere said you faulted Toshiba. I said you DIDN'T fault Toshiba. Also, can you please provide the source where HD-DVD is said to use the hard coating.

[KnightRiderX]

There is no reason to keep on going Domination; its simple and plain fanboism. just because he's a ninty fanboy and does not like any other console maker and prolly coupled with the fact that ever since Sony entered the industry, ninty has never been number 1. Its because of his unwillingness to reasonably and directly explain his hatred for Sony is what shows that he is a fanboy. Fanboys never seem to have a direct reason for their hatred for a console maker only for the simple fact that that console maker is in competition with his favorite so they try to avoid anyother thing that the rival console maker produces.

[Eidorian]

LOL! Now it's my fault? That is, by far, the most hilarious thing I have heard all day. You simply put yourself on the spot by saying those things before you actually took the time to not only come to the site, but to a SONY room and thread. I'm sorry, but that is your fault.

BTW, I nevere said you faulted Toshiba. I said you DIDN'T fault Toshiba. Also, can you please provide the source where HD-DVD is said to use the hard coating.This is getting ridiculous. Please, just realize I want larger optical storage for my backup needs. I'll still buy Blu-Ray disks and video content if it emerges the winner. I'll just go and buy my Samsung Blu-Ray player and TDK BD-RW's for my computer and suffer through it.

Toshiba isn't offering the hard coating for HD-DVD's. HD-DVD's store data much deeper in the disk and the have a scratch resistance similar to current DVD's.

[Metal Sphere]

This is getting ridiculous. Please, just realize I want larger optical storage for my backup needs. I'll still buy Blu-Ray disks and video content if it emerges the winner. I'll just go and buy my Samsung Blu-Ray player and TDK BD-RW's for my computer and suffer through it.

Toshiba isn't offering the hard coating for HD-DVD's. HD-DVD's store data much deeper in the disk and the have a scratch resistance similar to current DVD's.

Wow Eidorian, you could've said that from the beginning and avoided arguing in the first place. I'm a Stargate fanatic, and while MGM may be a Sony acquisition, that still won't stop me from buying the DVDs. They're a worldwide company and have a hand in quite a few different markets, and in doing so, have gained a small, but vocal opposition. I'm sure you've met people like you that abhor Sony's every action, product, movie, music, etc... simply for being from the same company that produced a shoddy DVD player, Walkman or MP3 player.

Why do you avoid supporting so much,? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

Anyways, just thinking about Stargate SG-1 in HD makes me want to get an upconverting DVD player.

[Eidorian]

Wow Eidorian, you could've said that from the beginning and avoided arguing in the first place. I'm a Stargate fanatic, and while MGM may be a Sony acquisition, that still won't stop me from buying the DVDs. They're a worldwide company and have a hand in quite a few different markets, and in doing so, have gained a small, but vocal opposition. I'm sure you've met people like you that abhor Sony's every action, product, movie, music, etc... simply for being from the same company that produced a shoddy DVD player, Walkman or MP3 player.I just found it easier on my wallet to PVR new episodes of Stargate and then burn it onto DVD. I don't mind the logo and I don't have to wait for it to come out on DVD in-stores.

Sony Electronics have let me down. I'm not going to buy a Blu-Ray player from them. I bought a Sony RDR-GX300 DVD Recorder and the first one had a fan issue and died within weak. The replacement had very poor S-Video quality using my THX Montser cables. I was badgered by Sony and the store to get " better" cables after putting $80 down on those Monster Cables. I just returned the DVD Recorders and now I'll just use my PVR and iMac.

At work I have to tech support two Sony VAIO laptops. Sony decided it was smarter not to include the Windows Restore disks and the copies that I made using the onboard wizard made corrupr disks. Sony wanted me to pay for actual restore disks that every other PC maker would have included in the first place.


Why do you avoid supporting so much,? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.I don't have any problems supporting Blu-Ray itself. The hard coat makes it great for archiving my data for backup and just general protection. I don't think I'll need 100 GB disks, yet.


Anyways, just thinking about Stargate SG-1 in HD makes me want to get an upconverting DVD player.Only if they film it in HD. I need an HDTV for that first.

[=NukeBlaze=]

I suppose my only complaint on Sony products is that I only buy a 2nd and 3rd revision of the hardware they offer. This is not just console, but in general. And price matters. I would rather pay 699$ for a 32 inch Samsung HD-TV than a 799$ Standard Def 32 inch Trinitron. Some of Sonys products are good, but I an usually find a NEC/Toshiba/Samsung replacement of equal or greater operation at a lower price point.

This is not Fanboism, this is just a consumer basing buying choices on personal experiances with a manufature. If you have a better run with thier products, that that is excellant. I on the other hand have a 2 failed PS2s, A PS1 with track problems as they all did untill the PSONE revision, 2 Bad DVD buners with high writting errors and a higher price than competition, a surround revcevier that died twice due to power converter failures.

Thus far my only luck has been with a Sony hi-8 Camcorder to which I have never had any problems what so ever. So, I suppose I will have to settle on Price and experiancing problems with more of thier hardware than good.

[kaphwan]

Originally Posted by kaphwan063
^ Bloody XBox fanboys... I hope they aren't all like that.

Originally Posted by Eidorian
Please stop saying Xbox. Microsoft is next on my list for making Windows. I'm just presenting my case that this survey is skewed greatly in favor of Blu-Ray.

I retract my previous statement. You aren't an Xbox fanboy, you just seem to hate Sony and its products... for some reason. Tell me about your childhood :)... okay, I will have to agree with KnightRider and deem you a Nintendo fanboy. I assumed you were an Xbox fanboy, because until now, I had never come across such a dogmatic fanboy of Nintendo. That is, until now.

Originally Posted by Eidorian
I have chosen not to the DVD's for one of my favorite television series after MGM's purchase by Sony.

Lunacy. What does Sony being the parent company have to do with the quality of x product? I acknowledge you have had traumatic experiences with their products, but nobody is perfect.

I'll also consider that you may be against the whole concept of big-brother corporations buying out the entire world through "acquisitions". Briefly.

Originally Posted by Eidorian
I want someone to win this format war... Even if it is crappy Sony. I'll just buy a Samsung Blu-Ray player.

Surely you can't expect people in a Sony forum to not care if you call Sony crappy. Especially if you didn't initially provide any arguments as to your opinion, something you later tried to do after you were "dragged into" this.

I would think that you could have just written "I want someone to win this format war... Even if it is Sony, whom I don't support in the console wars. I will, in the case that Blu-Ray is victorious, seek means alternative to Sony's products in order to acquire a Blu-Ray player, because I feel that supporting Nintendo products implies I must boycott all of Sony's."

Nobody takes offense to it, and we don't have to waste time finding out you're just another fanboy, who should be ignored.

Originally posted by stanDarsh
There are more reasons than that, such as Sony made a huge mistake by not licensing the Beta technology to other companies, whereas if I remember correctly JVC came up with VHS and licensed the technology to pretty much all the other major electronics manufacturers of that time. Even though the image quality of VHS was not as superior as Beta, VHS was also cheaper to produce, which is also another factor that comes into the equation.

Point taken. All of the above problems bar the cost already seem to have been averted in advance.

Sony seem to have learned from their past mistakes, so I would be inclined to think that this time around, the Blu-Ray will come out on top.

My reply did come in late, but I had work all day. Timezones mean while you guys are having your nice debate, I'm sleeping.

PS. Microsoft is next on your list? How long has Microsoft f**ked the world over with it's crappy operating systems?

Yawn and it's about ten pm my time, so g'nite all

[assur191]

Secondly the survey is skewed in favor of Blu-Ray since we are not getting it from an unbiased source.



Just because Sony commissioned the survey, doesn't mean it was biased. I actually participated in the survey, and there was new skew in favor of Blu-Ray. Both formats were presented with what the offer and their features. Therefore, I would say that the results were very unbiased. Just my 2 cents.

[sif]

Just because Sony commissioned the survey, doesn't mean it was biased. I actually participated in the survey, and there was new skew in favor of Blu-Ray. Both formats were presented with what the offer and their features. Therefore, I would say that the results were very unbiased. Just my 2 cents.

There is one thing though. The survey was biased. It didn't show projected pricing for each type of media. I don't mind paying more for superior tech and look forward to Blu-Ray and eventually holographic discs, but your average consumer might be steered away by cost, even if it is just a few pounds on first-gen discs.

[Z]

BD and HD-DVD will be extremely close to each other in pricong. in fact, BD production cost per disk is only a few cents more than regualr DVD. the 'price' issue that is always mentioned is for adjusting the factories to imbrace BD. HD-DVD also needs some adjustments but they are smaller than the first requirements'. expect BD and HD-DVD to have exactly the same price, or the first being a fraction more than the latter. besides, there are more hardware support for BD, so there will be more equipment and machines that support it- not to mention the biggest gladiator; PS3 ;)