PlayStation Meeting 05

[Metal Sphere]

Since I tried to register on Beyond3D to comment on a thread I saw there, I might as well bring it here. These are all rumors, but they're from someone that has a hit & miss history with predictions.

I've provided bags of salt for your convenience.

Take all the following with a solid grain of salt. These rumors are not mine, but are from a message board I often frequent here in Japan. An individual who has been posting there for quite some time always claims he works for Sony, though he never specifies in what context. He has made numerous predictions/claims in the past, but the problem is, not all of them have come to pass.

A few of the things he was right on were the exclusion of the online mode in GT4, PS2 exclusivity for Soul Caliber 3, nVidia partnership with Sony on PS3 GPU and the specific game reels that ran at Sony's 2005 E3 press conference, among other things.

Please, keep in mind however he has also made an almost equal number of claims that have turned up to be false. He's hit and miss, and the board seems to approach all his claims as such.

AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT RUMORS THAT I MYSELF HAVE SUBSTANTIATED, NOR ARE THEY TO BE AUTOMATICALLY CONSIDERED TRUE BY ANY MEANS.

Now, let's have some speculative fun:

-PS3 Value bundle (ala PSP) will be released at launch with HDD of undecided size. No pricing revealed.
-No RSX details revealed.
-A few PS3 tech specs will change, unknown which and if for the better or for the worse.
-2 Namco titles announced for Japanese launch.
-Koei reveals its 2 PS3 launch titles, Dynasty Warriors 6 and Nobunaga's Ambition.
-3 Sega titles announced for Japanese launch, reveals that none of their arcade boards are PS3-based.
-2 Square Enix titles announced for release within first 6 months in Japan (titles are neither Dragon Quest nor Final Fantasy).
-Final Fantasy XIII and Dragon Quest IX to be PS3 exclusive, release dates unknown.
-Winning Eleven 10 exclusive to PS2 and PS3 in Japan.
-7 new game announcements from unknown studios (unknown how many for PS2, PSP or PS3).

There are other rumors, but they mainly pertain to the PS2 and PSP, so I figured I wouldn't bother posting those.

Will these come true? Who knows, but knowing this individual's history, it is wise to remain skeptical, and not jump to conclusions.

Oh and please, no 360 vs. PS3 discussion here, it just isn't needed.

-Winning Eleven only exclusive to PS2/PS3 in Japan. US versions and Pro Evo in Europe not exclusive.
-Release windows for PS3: Japan and US simultaneous = Late Spring/Early Summer 2006. Europe/Australia = Fall 2006.
-Resident Evil series in development for PS3 and PSP.
-Itagaki and Team Ninja developing 2 titles for PS3, unknown which or if exclusive or ports.
-PS3 console design getting a slight overhaul, controller design likely to remain.
-Silent Hill 5 in development for PS3, exclusivity undecided.
-Atlus, From Software and Q Entertainment expected to announce titles in development.
-Second HDMI port may be removed.
-Mistwalker surprise announcement (not a Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey port).
-Level 5 to develop exclusively for PS3.

And for PSP fans:
-SCEI will release 45 more PSP titles by Fall 2006.
-Square Enix currently has 2 more PSP titles in development, besides FFVII:CC.
-PSP and PS3 will use same Live-esque service for online, PlayStation Network, which will launch in 2006.

What do you guys think? Overall, it just seems like this guy is guessing. Tech specs changing? That's a given, and probably for the better given what happened last gen. The design change? Possibly, but Winning Eleven exclusive in Japan only? What with that?

Level 5? Can someone say Dark Cloud 3? And who wasn't expecting them to become exclusive?

This is going to be the checklist I'll be going by when the meeting comes around.

[xbdestroya]

LOL, I've actually been debating with myself for a little while now whether I should write an article based on these rumors or not. On the one hand, I think that many people would find these rumors very interesting - but on the other it would just be such a departure from the usual Playstation Meeting feel that I don't want to set any reader up for disappointment.

It's really pretty wild though - and it will be q big hurdle for Microsoft to leap if any of this ends up being true, with regard to their pulling off the XBox Summit.

[CrumCon]

Windows for PS3?

sure Microsoft want to help its rival

great rumors but some of the are funny

[Metal Sphere]

Windows for PS3? Where exactly do you see that?

Anyways, this is a big departure from what they normally do.. but there is precedent for it. Sony's conference before Microsoft's really knocked the wind out of Microsoft's presentation and distracted the press. They could easily do it again, especially with Japan at stake. Not to mention, they might have even more than what we're expecting for TGS if most of this comes to pass.

[mikeeazy]

Windows for PS3?

sure Microsoft want to help its rival

great rumors but some of the are funny

lol, he said Release Windows for PS3, he meant the timeframe they want to release the PS3 in, like march, april, etc.

[Metal Sphere]

Here's another little rumor I picked up. Actually, it's rather old. If you want to know where it's from I'll link you after I post the rumor:

Also in the rumor mill. The PS3 CELL in the PS3 will now be clocked at 4.3GHz with all 8 SPEs enabled rather than one disabling as mentioned at E3. Expect an official announcement from Sony soon.


http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1436263#post1436263

Now, let's look at this recent rumor pile:

Now, let's have some speculative fun:

-PS3 Value bundle (ala PSP) will be released at launch with HDD of undecided size. No pricing revealed.
-No RSX details revealed.
-A few PS3 tech specs will change, unknown which and if for the better or for the worse.
-2 Namco titles announced for Japanese launch.
-Koei reveals its 2 PS3 launch titles, Dynasty Warriors 6 and Nobunaga's Ambition.
-3 Sega titles announced for Japanese launch, reveals that none of their arcade boards are PS3-based.
-2 Square Enix titles announced for release within first 6 months in Japan (titles are neither Dragon Quest nor Final Fantasy).
-Final Fantasy XIII and Dragon Quest IX to be PS3 exclusive, release dates unknown.
-Winning Eleven 10 exclusive to PS2 and PS3 in Japan.
-7 new game announcements from unknown studios (unknown how many for PS2, PSP or PS3).

That's probably really unlikely, since a jump like that would really open up the possibilities for the PS3.

[Grandia]

I find a lot of these hard to believe. Why would Sony overhaul their console design, which is pretty good IMO, but not their controller?

PlayStation Network has already been confirmed by David Reeves, so that's nothing new.

Microsoft wants the WE license exclusive to the Xbox 360. Microsoft is doing everything they can to secure it. I don't think Sony can go up against Microsoft's money...

Mistwalker is exclusive to Microsoft.

3 Sega launch titles? I doubt that.

[Raijin]

Well to me there are a few evidences like this:

-2 Namco titles announced for Japanese launch.
-Koei reveals its 2 PS3 launch titles, Dynasty Warriors 6 and Nobunaga's Ambition.
-3 Sega titles announced for Japanese launch, reveals that none of their arcade boards are PS3-based.
-2 Square Enix titles announced for release within first 6 months in Japan (titles are neither Dragon Quest nor Final Fantasy).
-Final Fantasy XIII and Dragon Quest IX to be PS3 exclusive, release dates unknown.
-Winning Eleven 10 exclusive to PS2 and PS3 in Japan.
-Resident Evil series in development for PS3 and PSP.
-PS3 console design getting a slight overhaul, controller design likely to remain.
-Silent Hill 5 in development for PS3, exclusivity undecided.
-Atlus, From Software and Q Entertainment expected to announce titles in development.
-Level 5 to develop exclusively for PS3.

These rumours are not really rumours. I mean, everyone know the FF and DQ will be on PS3 excusively.

Also:

-Itagaki and Team Ninja developing 2 titles for PS3, unknown which or if exclusive or ports.

I wouldn't too be suprised with this since the recent comments on the xbox360.

[xbdestroya]

I find a lot of these hard to believe. Why would Sony overhaul their console design, which is pretty good IMO, but not their controller?

PlayStation Network has already been confirmed by David Reeves, so that's nothing new.

Microsoft wants the WE license exclusive to the Xbox 360. Microsoft is doing everything they can to secure it. I don't think Sony can go up against Microsoft's money...

Mistwalker is exclusive to Microsoft.

3 Sega launch titles? I doubt that.

Well, Mistwalker actually isn't exclusive to Microsoft, though their current two games in development are. Mistwalker on PSP might be a possibility however. And there's no possible way Microsoft would get the Winning Eleven license exclusive; it's be too insane a risk to launch that game on 360 in Japan when there is presently no guarantee of ANY install base.

[Loc]

The Mistwalker rumor intrigues me, I always saw them as an xbox360 exclusive. Most of this stuff sounds down-to-Earth and may actually be true. I hope that the PSP stuff is true, and also the Sony Online Service to be up by 2006. The PS3 bundle with a hard drive I was kinda predicting, with a basic one to follow-up. Looks like we gotta wait 3 more days to find out.

[rpgamer_2k5]

Microsoft wants the WE license exclusive to the Xbox 360. Microsoft is doing everything they can to secure it. I don't think Sony can go up against Microsoft's money...

That just isn't happening. As this was discussed some weeks back while MS has a greater operating budget than Sony in total, it does not apply in their console division. SCEA has greater freedom than MS's console division and that includes a larger budget. Sony is betting heavily on their console unlike the Server-centric Microsoft. We won't see WE going to Microsoft as an exclusive, it will either be exclusive to Sony or multi-platform.

[Metal Sphere]

Well, it looks like you guys are taking to these rumors and new information well after the recent drought of stuff pertaining to the PS3 and Sony in general. We've only got a few more days until we find out how much of this stuff is true and what's just bunch of hooey.

I'd appreciate if everyone throws in their two cents into this thread so when the meeting does come around, we'll be able to have a big ole discussion with everyone involved. It's what we need since the forums in general have been slow as of late.

[Yo MaMa84]

Rumors, rumors, rumors.....what would the world be without them. Well i most say that these rumors are not surprising. I was looking for rumors to start circulating on the web, but i thought they would start a little time before TGS, but this is earlier. I really do hope they change the controller, just revise the damn DS2 and make it wireless with rechargeable battery. Other than that the 'grill', named by the teamxbox editors, I have no real problem with the PS3's design.

[xbdestroya]

I think one of the less direct things to take away from these rumors are not what it would necesarilly mean positively for Sony were they to be true, but what a disaster it would be for Microsoft to have things like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest exclusivity confirmed right before their conference - and on top of it Team Ninja support and a possible Mistwalker title. I'm not sure what Microsoft has planned for the 25th, but I just could not envision it being able to plug the holes this news would cause for the 'Great Ship 360' in Japan as it approaches it's launch/sail date.

[Garfunkel]

i am sure they will change the console design, like they did with psp

[xbdestroya]

They always change the console design of their systems from E3 to launch; in fact there's no guarantee that even if we saw a re-designed system at the Playstation Meeting or TGS, that that system would even be the true final version. I just hope that if there's any redesign, it makes things look better rather than worse, because I don't mid the present look. ;)

(and yes that includes the controllers!)

[Loc]

I think one of the less direct things to take away from these rumors are not what it would necesarilly mean positively for Sony were they to be true, but what a disaster it would be for Microsoft to have things like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest exclusivity confirmed right before their conference - and on top of it Team Ninja support and a possible Mistwalker title. I'm not sure what Microsoft has planned for the 25th, but I just could not envision it being able to plug the holes this news would cause for the 'Great Ship 360' in Japan as it approaches it's launch/sail date.
Microsoft has planned to probably have MTV host it and Killers playing music. Oooo ZING!

Im pretty sure nothing major would be done to the console since theres an actualy physical form to it now. The PSP could change since it went from a concept image to a real form. Many people don't like the case design for PS3 right now, but then again the same people didn't like how the PS2 looked and they seemed to grow on it.

What im hoping to be resolved is the issues with the controller, not much is known about it. Has Sony ditched the rumble features entirely? Welps only time will tell.

[xbdestroya]

Microsoft has planned to probably have MTV host it and Killers playing music. Oooo ZING!

Im pretty sure nothing major would be done to the console since theres an actualy physical form to it now. The PSP could change since it went from a concept image to a real form. Many people don't like the case design for PS3 right now, but then again the same people didn't like how the PS2 looked and they seemed to grow on it.

What im hoping to be resolved is the issues with the controller, not much is known about it. Has Sony ditched the rumble features entirely? Welps only time will tell.

There's no way they'll ditch the rumble feature - at least as we understand it. Maybe they'll license or devlop an alternative technology to implement the rumbling; I'm not sure how expansive or broad the current infringed patent is, but if I were Sony and I didn't have an alternative technology, I would just go ahead and license from Immersion. I can't remember how important rumble is to me - but I think I think it's important. :smoke:

[Metal Sphere]

There's no way they'll ditch the rumble feature - at least as we understand it. Maybe they'll license or devlop an alternative technology to implement the rumbling; I'm not sure how expansive or broad the current infringed patent is, but if I were Sony and I didn't have an alternative technology, I would just go ahead and license from Immersion. I can't remember how important rumble is to me - but I think I think it's important. :smoke:

Hmm, might just ditch the rumble feature. Either they make their own or they license it from Immersion Corp. And seeing what Sony's done in the past has me leaning towards the former rather than the latter. The infringement literally says that the Dual Shock is little more than a derivative of Immersion's technology (aka: essentially identical). The ruling was a big blow to Sony, and it'd force them to stop making PS2s and 40 games that use the Dual Shock.

Yeah, rumble is actually pretty important in the..immersion factor in games. Metal Gear Solid for example. Anyone have any old shots of the PS2 before the final design was chosen? The PSP actually got refined from the design that was first shown and the PS3 will probably go through the same thing.

[raVen]

nah besides hdmi and maybe a usb port or 2 being taken off i really dont expect a change in the consoles design and I actually like the controllers so i dont want a change there but Id love to black psp stlyed ps3

[CrumCon]

lol, he said Release Windows for PS3, he meant the timeframe they want to release the PS3 in, like march, april, etc.

okay now i look like an ass! :tada:

[Voidler]

Interesting stuff. It seems like it's from a relatively sound source, not saying it's true, but this guy has been right about stuff before and you might expect people who know their stuff like him would be privvy to such details a few days before the show. Hopefully this is true.

Still I can't imagine so many details coming out now, instead of TGS. I guess they really do want to take the wind out of Microsoft's sails.

[Garfunkel]

lets hope it IS true exept for the bad stuff which will give team xflop something to stick to

imagine what would happen if they did upgrade it to 4.3 or even 4.6 GHZ with 8 SPES instead of 7

THAT WOULD BE INSANE

[Applefiend]

Don't suppose anybody has the PSP and PS2 rumours that got removed. :D

Let's hope they pull out all that useless crap like the second HDMI, the flash card reader, the extra ethernet ports and thousand USB ports, and speed bump that sucker.

The Value pack is a terrific idea, let the consumer decide if they want to pay for HDD or not. I'd get one for sure.

[Voidler]

lets hope it IS true exept for the bad stuff which will give team xflop something to stick to

imagine what would happen if they did upgrade it to 4.3 or even 4.6 GHZ with 8 SPES instead of 7

THAT WOULD BE INSANEInsanely unnecessary

[Applefiend]

I've yet to buy a computer or games console that was too fast. Just too slow.

[xbdestroya]

@Oda: If you should have the chance to post on it, let us know what the feel in terms of veracity/believability is on that Japanese forum with regard to the original source; if he's backtracked at all or seems sincerely confident, if people have raised good points in questioning him, etc etc...

Gotta keep our fingers on the pulse somehow!

[raVen]

I think the rumors are all realistic and I think the majority (dev support ones) will come true. quote it.

[CrumCon]

i remember the very old article says that Cell ran at 4.6Ghz. but i guess Sony will want to be on the safe side with cell.
I doubt they will activate the 8th SPE, 7 is more then enough.

But the rumor about chaging some specs, that must be the remove of Router function.
other then that PS3 cannot or could have a very little change only.

But im more excited about the games, lets just hope for more info about killzone , MotorStorm and GT, and of course many other 3rd party titles

some NEW screens or videos would be very nice

[Applefiend]

Yup, it's fun guessing what these games will be

-2 Namco titles announced for Japanese launch.
Ridge Racer 6
Tekken 6 (Does it count as announced?)

-3 Sega titles announced for Japanese launch, reveals that none of their arcade boards are PS3-based.
Yup, lost to an XBox 360 based arcade board.
Hence, Virtua Fighter 5 for XBox 360 first rumours.

-Resident Evil series in development for PS3 and PSP.
Yeh!

-Itagaki and Team Ninja developing 2 titles for PS3, unknown which or if exclusive or ports.
Guess...
Ninja Gaiden PS3 (yeh!)
Something appalling. :D That awful volleyball game.

-Second HDMI port may be removed.
It's useless, remove it. Who the hell will have two big screen HDTVs in their living room just to play video games.

-Mistwalker surprise announcement (not a Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey port).
Good stuff, bet their main product will be PS3, not XBox 360, as they want to be on a console strong in the home market.

-Level 5 to develop exclusively for PS3.
Turrican 3D anybody? :D

[Raijin]

Lol
Level 5 is not Factor 5! :P

Level 5 = Dragon Quest VIII and Dark Cloud/Chronicle (and the cancelled True Fantasy Online) and surely, the next Dark Cloud game.

But I would love a new Turrican game!

[KiLLA2006]

i definitely do like the looks of these rumors, especially the realease being simultaneous in US and Japan... makes me wanna cry knowing that for once the US will get a playstation console at the same time Japan does.

as for all the development ones... I am leaning towards yes but still very skeptical as i never buy into what are considered rumors just so i don't get disappointed, but heres to hoping :drunk:

[Oda]

Ok, here we go. Tons more stuff from the forum. Lots of members are questioning various claims, and the supposed insider guy is actually remaining pretty steadfast, though he says some new developments have arisen, as most everything was locked down today for what will end up in the conference on Thursday.

In regards to the Mistwalker deal, he said he's unsure to what exact context the rumblings he's been hearing refer to. He says they may be in reference to the supposed deal that Sony and Mistwalker had for BD and LO prior to MS swooping in and paying for the games dev. He did state however that Mistwalker is NOT in any way exclusive to MS on consoles, despite what MS has said. BD and LO though have 0% chance of ever hitting PS3, even a few years from now.

All the info he posted has turned out to be the key announcements Sony is prepping to build hype for the PS3; ie. Sony will likely spread them out so as to not throw all their eggs into one basket. Thus, don't expect all these points to hit the conference anymore. Many may be postponed til TGS. The thread has now turned into a sort of general upcoming Sony announcements thread, and many are speculating what will be announced at PM, TGS, etc.

One of the two Namco titles is definitely Ridge Racer 6. No surprise there. The other is supposedly not a Tekken title.

It is looking more and more likely that Tecmo does not want Team Ninja to remain exclusive to a single console this coming gen in order to increase revenues and brand awareness.

Square Enix announcing FF and DQ being PS3 exclusive likely will not happen now (however they will still be exclusive), as Sony feels it is more significant to simply let it happen, as if it is a common occurence that happens every gen. They feel announcing it may seem as if they earned or bought the exclusive rights, whereas just letting them release makes it seem as if DQ and FF will always be PlayStation only properties.

Someone asked why Konami would bother releasing Winning Eleven in Europe (as Pro Evolution) and not in Japan, and he was reminded that Winning Eleven 9 is releasing exclusively on PS2 next month, despite Pro Evo 5 hitting Xbox in Europe later this year. The decision to keep WE exclusive to PS2 and PS3 was Konami's, Sony did not buy the rights.

From Software is likely going to port all its 360 games to PS3, including Chrome Hounds and eNchant aRm.

Sony is going to market the PSP and PS3 hand-in-hand as two companion electronics when the PS3 releases, and they are going to offer levels of connectivity between the devices beyond just gaming.

Sony will announce that PS3 titles will not be playable at TGS. They may plan a special event in early 2006 to display playable titles to the public.

Sony is confident their relationship with Game Republic will continue.

SCEI is aiming to lessen the amount of money they spend to gain exclusive contracts to increase profitability, and instead maintain their relationships through improved development tools, developer support and game development assistance.

Almost all of SCEI internals studios and second party developers have now shifted development to the PS3. SCEA has done the same, however SCEE is more evenly balanced between PS2 and PS3.

Sony is contemplating offering reduced royalty fees for original properties after the success of Nintendogs.

The PS3 console design is being slightly redesigned so it looks its best when upright, not laying flat. The slot loading drive is a key feature added to allow the upright position to be more convenient.

Sony is looking to differentiate the use of memory sticks and the HDD as memory sticks = game/online content, HDD = media content. They feel 1GB and larger sticks will retail for as low as the price of PS2 memory cards when they were first released.

Everybody's Golf 5 to be announced for Japanese launch.

It is rumored within Sony (although the insider thinks its a bit far-fetched, and personally doesn't believe its true) that 2 different internal SCEI teams are co-developing 2 PS3 titles with... are you ready?... Nintendo EAD. Yeah, I know. I don't believe it either.

The PS3 launch will be the largest launch software wise in the history of the Japanese games industry. Sony hopes to have over 40 titles available.

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That's it for now. Seeing how the other thread has morphed into a more speculative thread on what will be announced when, and what may or may not be true, I suggest we do the same here so as not to overload our anticipation of Thursday's conference.

More to come later!

[Raijin]

Wow, I love your rumours Oda! :D

Plz continue!

EDIT: However



Sony will announce that PS3 titles will not be playable at TGS. They may plan a special event in early 2006 to display playable titles to the public.


Too bad, but not really surprising if it was confirmed. No news about possible modifications of hardware?

[xbdestroya]

Oda, awesome info mining here. There is a ton of information to discuss within these rumors.

[Yo MaMa84]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA........................HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAH........................HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... .RUMORS...HHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!
Hope they're true.

[xbdestroya]

I'm just going to toss out some initial thoughts here...

1) If that talk of 40+ launch titles is true, that is great news. Ps2 was kind of slim pickings at launch.

2) A redesign to look best vertically - wonder how that will change the appearance?

3) No playable titles at E3? Sony is going to take some heat for that.

4) Less money towards exclusives, more towards development tools sounds like a good long-term plan to me.

5) PS3 and PSP as companion electronics is the way to go, and I've been saying Sony would make it thus for quite awhile.

6) 1 gig cards for the same price as PS2 memory cards? Well can't argue with that! That will make the PSP a more appealing machine as well, and the scale achieved with the PS3 using it as it's 'memory card' format and the PSP using it as well will certainly increase the share of the memory card market belonging to Sony's formats in a big way.

[Domination]

lets hope it IS true exept for the bad stuff which will give team xflop something to stick to

imagine what would happen if they did upgrade it to 4.3 or even 4.6 GHZ with 8 SPES instead of 7

THAT WOULD BE INSANE

Eight SPEs is unlikely. Kutaragi already said that manufacturing a perfect processor every time would be extremely hard to do without any defects.

He claims the only reason for not bumping the speed up to 4GHZ is a possible heat problem which could cause them to have to go with a bigger body for the PS3 console. I don't know if he still thinks this or not, but I would see that changing before the SPEs. However, I'm not counting on any of the rumors to be true. It's not that all of them seem too far fetched, it's just that, well...they are rumors which can lean either way - judging by this guy's history.

[xbdestroya]

Oh also: The Team Ninja situation. Makes sense to me that Tecmo would want their most famous team working on a platform with far greater revenue potential, as well as looking to grow the brand through greater awareness. Ninja Gaiden was one of the few games I would have wanted an XBox for, so I certainly hope that this rumor turns out to be true.

[CrumCon]

Square Enix announcing FF and DQ being PS3 exclusive likely will not happen now (however they will still be exclusive), as Sony feels it is more significant to simply let it happen, as if it is a common occurence that happens every gen. They feel announcing it may seem as if they earned or bought the exclusive rights, whereas just letting them release makes it seem as if DQ and FF will always be PlayStation only properties.

Main Final Fantasy will be PS3 exlcusives, main FF i mean FFXIII , XIV XV etc etc

but FF MMORPG, CC are not PS exclusives, and CC has been confirmed for REV,

those are facts

[xbdestroya]

Main Final Fantasy will be PS3 exlcusives, main FF i mean FFXIII , XIV XV etc etc

but FF MMORPG, CC are not PS exclusives, and CC has been confirmed for REV,

those are facts

I agree, and I think that's what the 'insider' and everyone else probably meant; when I think of Final Fantasy as a series, I don't tend to mentally include Crystal Chronicles or the present online effort - this in spite of it carrying the FFXI name.

[jako]

The sentence that made me react the most :
"-Release windows for PS3: Japan and US simultaneous = Late Spring/Early Summer 2006. Europe/Australia = Fall 2006."

I leave in France and if it's true, i'll have to wait more than a year to get a PS3. :(
That still surprises me : letting MS sell their XBOX360 for almost a year before selling PS3s in Europe could be dangerous for Sony in this part of the world.
Lots of my friends who have a PS2 won't wait a year when there is a "next-gen" machine on the market. Even if they all say they will buy a PS3 anyway.

[rpgamer_2k5]

CC is just published by Squre-Enix and really isn't that special. The MMORPG being multi-platform will maximize profits significantly. Sony has influence over Square-Enix (including a huge stake in the firm) so don't expect SE moving away from Sony.

Level 5 is very close to Sony sort of like a second-party developer, they are staying with Sony too. This time Sony will be offering a platform that will have all the benefits of the PS2 along with a very friendly environment. I really so no reason for anyone developer to move away from Sony.

[Metal Sphere]

CC is just published by Squre-Enix and really isn't that special. The MMORPG being multi-platform will maximize profits significantly. Sony has influence over Square-Enix (including a huge stake in the firm) so don't expect SE moving away from Sony.

Level 5 is very close to Sony sort of like a second-party developer, they are staying with Sony too. This time Sony will be offering a platform that will have all the benefits of the PS2 along with a very friendly environment. I really so no reason for anyone developer to move away from Sony.

Wow RPG, +rep for you. You took the words right out of my mouth. Sony's essentially strengthening their fortress walls and arming themselves to the teeth with the opposition's former advantages. The PS2 was attractive because of the amount of exposure your game would get to most of the gamers in the world, sales, and a "anything goes" policy towards developers letting them do as they please for the most part.

This is even more applicable in Japan since most already have good relations with Sony, hence the support and now that Sony's working to improve them, they'll have no reason to support a foreign console with sales that will be abysmal compared to the PS3 or Revolution.

Lastly, isn't Europe "Sony country" for the most part? With Phil Harrison being promoted recently, we'll see their efforts over there improve as well. As for those rumors: Good God. I definitely see them spreading that from the Playstation meeting to TGS and beyond. Coupled with Nintendo's Revolution details which will be unveiled (at the end of the year), Zelda's release and the release of many anticipated PS2 titles, Microsoft's going to need some serious advertising to get people to ignore all this and buy the 360 in the numbers they're hoping for.

[rpgamer_2k5]

Knowing many from Europe, I can certainly claim that Europe is "Sony country". The Playstation brand name is very popular in Europe and that won't be changing. It seems like the arrogant Microsoft expects all those that enjoyed playing the Playstation to move to MS. Really that just isn't going to happen; I know many former-Sony users that now have the Xbox and yet still admit that they find the Sony consoles are more enjoyable. I expect many from the Xbox camp to purchase a Playstation 3 or maybe even the Revolution.

[Jasonps3]

I don't know how Microsoft is going to get a billion consumers to get on Xbox Live. Japan loves Sony and Nintendo, Europe loves Sony, while we're mixed over here in the states. I was thinking of getting both, but now with this unanswered question of whether or not the Xbox 360 would be backward compatible to ALL Xbox games and some of the new Xbox 360 are very interesting to me (I love Splinter Cell) I may have to go to Gamestop and cancel my preorder on the Xbox 360 and get the PS3 (besides, I'm not into Online games anyway).

[Oda]

For those who want to know why I didn't post a direct forum link.

It is because I thought it was pretty pointless. A) the board is entirely in Japanese, and is in BBS format, making translations with Google, etc. very difficult. B) it is a private forum that requires registration with JP email, so no direct linking. C) Credibility isn't really relevant, as the source himself isn't credible.

http://psmk2.pspmk2.net/bbs/cbbs/cbbs.cgi

This is the closest I can direct link to the board, but it is a dead end. If that means you don't believe these rumors, then so be it. They are just rumors.

[Metal Sphere]

Nah, it's all good. We're well aware of the fact that these are nothing more than rumors preceding a major Sony event. It's expected and I don't think anyone here is taking them as fact.

Quite a few of them are plausible, while others are either a given or way off.

[Jasonps3]

Well, I'm not jumping for joy and believing every single thing he's saying, but I'm more eager to find out what Sony has in store at the meeting.

[Domination]

First, let's clear something up.... Microsoft or rather J. Allard never said the Xbox 360 would actually sell as a billion units. The quote was misinterpreted. He meant that the Xbox 360 would attract a billion consumers as far as recognition goes. It is like Nintendo being a brand name console to just about every consumer - no matter whether they play games or not. What it comes down to is everyone knowing what a Nintendo is. This is what Microsoft wants.

Think about it for a second. The more people know who Sony is, the greater they can be with their ambitions without worrying about who will notice them or adopt them. This is why I say Sony will be Microsoft's most formidable competitor in which they have ever faced. Not only are they incredibly huge in world recognition, but they are very innovative and their hand in just every pot.

Secondly, Microsoft signed a deal with nVidia so that they can get backwards compatibility for the Xbox due to them not being able to figure out any other way without nVidia's tech. So in other words, Microsoft will now have close to full backwards compatibility for the Xbox 360.

For those that are concerned, this still doesn't mean the first Xbox won't be killed off. As we know it, this Aug. is its last month based on nVidia's not so recent interview.

[Jasonps3]

First, let's clear something up.... Microsoft or rather J. Allard never said the Xbox 360 would actually sell as a billion units. The quote was misinterpreted. He meant that the Xbox 360 would attract a billion consumers as far as recognition goes.

Oh I see. I wondered why he said that quote in the first place? I saw the Microsoft Conference and he flat out say that they gonna reach a billion consumers. Oh well, who do I know.

[raVen]

Oh I see. I wondered why he said that quote in the first place? I saw the Microsoft Conference and he flat out say that they gonna reach a billion consumers. Oh well, who do I know.

Hey Domination here at E-mpire we call that sarcasm :pinky:

[Domination]

I'm ok with it. I just think too many rumors can go too far over the top if they aren't nipped in the bud sooner.:aim;-]:

[Forbiden]

Well, the new rumors(if you dont know, check the site) are a strange but good adition. The fact that Ridge Racer is possibly comming to PS3 is amazing, seeing as the PSP version is visualy sharp and admirable. Perhaps the rumor of 1GB sticks being the same price as PS2 Memory cards is way farfetched, for they are now arround 160(SanDisk) and 199(Sony), while PS2 8MB memory cards are like 24 dollars. But hopefully Sony will keep the idea of 40 launch titles.

[xbdestroya]

Flash memory prices should be coming down a good bit in the coming months though. For example, I myself use a standard called 'transflash,' soon to become micro-SD. By the end of August I'm told 512 MB cards will be out, and next year it will go all the way to 2 GB's on a microSD card. I wouldn't expect a 1GB memory stick to become the same price as a PS2 memory card right away, but eventually I think so. Hopefully ~$40 by halfway through next year... who knows though? PSP and PS3 are definitely going to be pushing the economies of scale though for these things.

PS - The article on the front page is in fact based in part on the information Oda has provided in page two of this thread. Oda IS the link between that Japanese forum and the English-speaking world. :spiny:

[Forbiden]

Indeed, perhaps 50 bucks for a 1 gig, but not the standard 25 bucks for a 1 gig. As gaming and everything advances, more memory is needed. Usualy you could store arround 200 pics on a 512 mem stick from sony. Now in the new CyberShots from sony you can store like 50 in a 512. Technology is growing and so is the memory stick market, but a 1GB stick to be as cheap as PS2 mem cards within PS3's release date and now, not bloody likely.

[thedynamite007]

All of this are too amazing to be true. again we find a person boasting that he knows so much but then again Iam sure this person is just lying just to be popular and be the talk of the town and to catch attention. None of his boasting are true IAM SURE I will cut my balls if all of it are true!! this is BS!! Imagine mistwalker developing games for Ps3 when infact we all know that mistwalker is exclusive to Xbucks especially sakaguchi is alreayd swimming with Bill's money. Impossible for him to have a source since Sony personnel have None disclosure contracts. Oh my why on earth this world ruled by liars!!!

[Forbiden]

Perhaps, but then again something might be true. THere is always a chance that this person is legit(aside from a few really farfetched lies), but most of us keep our hopes up and wish. In case you dont know, a few developers/publishers have said they go arround forums like these in search of what people actualy want out of games/consoles(may not be true though)

[xbdestroya]

All of this are too amazing to be true. again we find a person boasting that he knows so much but then again Iam sure this person is just lying just to be popular and be the talk of the town and to catch attention. None of his boasting are true IAM SURE I will cut my balls if all of it are true!! this is BS!! Imagine mistwalker developing games for Ps3 when infact we all know that mistwalker is exclusive to Xbucks especially sakaguchi is alreayd swimming with Bill's money. Impossible for him to have a source since Sony personnel have None disclosure contracts. Oh my why on earth this world ruled by liars!!!


Whoa! Calm down there Dynamite007. :smoke:

Not saying those rumors are real or not, but what exactly about them was soooo crazy? I'm expecting half of that stuff anyway without even hearing about it! Sure the Mistwalker deal would be big, and there's some other stuff, but Mistwalker is not exclusive to Microsoft; in reality only those two announced titles are thus far. And there's also talk that all home console games will be 360 exclusive; but by Mistwalkers own admission they're free to do handhelds - and by some accounts even more.

As for non-disclosure agreements, oh sure Sony has them - but it couldn't be a leak if there weren't non-disclosure agreements. Believe me I've signed them in the past and had people sign them; they're scary, but there's always your own personal decision making process as the final say about what you do and do not tell people.

Anyway let's just wait to see how things end up before freaking out one way or the other.

And you should be careful with betting your own balls on things like this; there's already some guy on TeamXBox who owes me both his testicles because the Cell in PS3 is going to have 6+ SPE's in it. :tardbang:

[thedynamite007]

Whoa! Calm down there Dynamite007. :smoke:

Not saying those rumors are real or not, but what exactly about them was soooo crazy? I'm expecting half of that stuff anyway without even hearing about it! Sure the Mistwalker deal would be big, and there's some other stuff, but Mistwalker is not exclusive to Microsoft; in reality only those two announced titles are thus far. And there's also talk that all home console games will be 360 exclusive; but by Mistwalkers own admission they're free to do handhelds - and by some accounts even more.

As for non-disclosure agreements, oh sure Sony has them - but it couldn't be a leak if there weren't non-disclosure agreements. Believe me I've signed them in the past and had people sign them; they're scary, but there's always your own personal decision making process as the final say about what you do and do not tell people.

Anyway let's just wait to see how things end up before freaking out one way or the other.

And you should be careful with betting your own balls on things like this; there's already some guy on TeamXBox who owes me both his testicles because the Cell in PS3 is going to have 6+ SPE's in it. :tardbang:

Okay but still that mistwalker thing is still impossible since sakaguchi was paid large sums just to make exclusive console games for there xbucks. Maybee if its PSP I will believe it but PS3? No way. Its to good to be true all his news. I hope he has proof. No matter what its just few days from know and we shall see.

By the way do you believe that person who boast that he is an insider? 99% I feel that its just BS.

[Forbiden]

A few things are credible i belive. Like the fact that perhaps PS3 will be HDD bundled, and that RE is for PSP and PS3./

[xbdestroya]

Okay but still that mistwalker thing is still impossible since sakaguchi was paid large sums just to make exclusive console games for there xbucks. Maybee if its PSP I will believe it but PS3? No way. Its to good to be true all his news. I hope he has proof. No matter what its just few days from know and we shall see.

By the way do you believe that person who boast that he is an insider? 99% I feel that its just BS.

I don't believe or not believe right now; it's just new information for me to think about is how I view it. The Mistwalker thing if it ever IS announced will make me believe he is an insider; until then, other announcements could very well be sheer coincidence and won't increase my faith in him. And of course, certain announcements may just make me feel like he was full of it, btu I wouldn't know what forms those triggering events would take. I'll know them when I see them.

I try not to go into anything with too many preconceptions. :twirl:

I can tell you for sure though that if it's the issue of his being an insider or not you want resolved, Thursday won't do it for us, since he's already said a lot of this stuff probably won't be discussed that early.

If I had to make a call right now as to whether I thought he was an insider or not - I would say 'no,' I don't think he is. But since I don't have to make that call right now - I prefer just to ride it out and see what happens.

[Metal Sphere]

Well guys, we'll soon be finding out more about Metal Gear Solid 4 and Pro Evolution Soccer. Kojima and Takatsuka are making an appearance at a German gaming show to present more solid info, dates and so on about their respective games.

Heck, we might even get new media.What do you guys think?

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=121981

[Oda]

It turns out that the SCEI co-developing with Nintendo EAD rumor was a joke post made by a different poster with an almost identical username. No surprise really, it was quite absurd.

Nothing much new has been revealed, except that it turns out Sony had already chosen the date of this Thursday for their conference prior to MS announcing their Summit next Monday. So it doesn't look as though Sony is trying to get a head start on MS, they just went with their original date.

How this will affect what they announce is anyone's guess, will just have to wait until Thursday.

[Jasonps3]

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/C6F3657C-F72C-4842-BA11-1DCEDC9140BB.htm

One word....OUCH!

[O.D.S]

Metal sphere, when is that event held? it would be interesting to see the developments of MGS4 (if hardly any:realmad)

EDIT: Jasonps3, thats an intresting read, if it turns true, then PS3 will definatly chew up the 360 in Japan. I have No Doubt about that at all.

[Domination]

On July 25th, Microsoft will be hosting an event in Japan to officially unveil the console in the land of the rising sun titled "Xbox Japan Summit 2005". Microsoft is reportedly going to have an unveiling on an "E3 scale" according to sources, and we've been told that we'll be seeing more from Japanese Xbox 360 developers such as Mistwalker, Q Entertainment, Square Enix, Tecmo, as well as a few surprises. There will be a number of new titles shown, and playable software.
Unfortunately, we have just learned rather rumor-worthy from an inside source that Microsoft will be dropping one bomb that no one would expect -- the Xbox 360 will not launch in Japan this year. At E3 Microsoft initially touted that they would have a worldwide launch by the end of 2005, but our sources have informed us that Japan's Xbox 360 release date could slip until Q1 2006, and most likely the system won't launch in Japan until March.

The Xbox has been a complete failure in Japan, and last year the original PlayStation outsold it. With the exclusives secured from Japanese developers for the Xbox 360, down to the design of the system, Microsoft has been doing everything in its power to change the mindset of the Japanese gamer. But if the Xbox 360 is delayed until Q1 2006, Microsoft will be releasing the system the same time rival Sony will be launching the PlayStation 3.

While we've not recieved any official confirmation from Microsoft on this news (Microsoft doesn't comment on rumors or speculation, etc.), we're betting that if this information is true, it's because either Microsoft can't produce enough consoles for a worldwide launch, or the Japanese software launch won't be strong enough for launch, or both.

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/C6F3657C-F72C-4842-BA11-1DCEDC9140BB.htm

One word....OUCH!

I was thinking it could be due to them not being able to produce enough consoles, too. I think unless Sony launches with a mediocre library on launch day, Microsoft launching the Xbox 360 beside them, and in their own territory at that, isn't a great idea.

[xbdestroya]

Well guys, we'll soon be finding out more about Metal Gear Solid 4 and Pro Evolution Soccer. Kojima and Takatsuka are making an appearance at a German gaming show to present more solid info, dates and so on about their respective games.

Heck, we might even get new media.What do you guys think?

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=121981


Good call Metal, that could get the momentum going as far as PS3 anticipation goes, even without Sony doing any of the hyping themselves.

[xbdestroya]

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/C6F3657C-F72C-4842-BA11-1DCEDC9140BB.htm

One word....OUCH!


Yeah, this is going to take Microsoft's odds down a notch in Japan, that's for sure. If true that is. But I could definitely see them as believing it's more prudent to divert supplies away from Japan and back towards the US and Europe.

Europe will be a crucial battleground market this gen, and though it's all Sony right now outside of the UK, Microsoft may very well have a full year to turn on the heat there, and I think MS is thus diverting those Japanese shipments to places where they can have a greater effect in it's lasting strategy.

[Metal Sphere]

Good call Metal, that could get the momentum going as far as PS3 anticipation goes, even without Sony doing any of the hyping themselves.

Yeah, it seems like the mainstream media getting a hold of the PS3's specs coupled with the success of the last two consoles literally make the media itself a tool to hype the Playstation brand with Sony doing little or nothing at all. This is where most fanboys/detractors fall face first in trying to prove that Sony reps actually claimed a certain feature or performance goal being available/achievable.

And that rumor about Microsoft pulling back the launch in the Japan really seems rather likely. Their current launch titles are more western oriented, with only 2 or 3 titles (Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, DOA:4) to appeal to them. Honestly, that's not enough to sway the japanese to a foreign console. However, as you mentioned they'd want to shift the most units elsewhere. This is a lose/lose situation because it'll look like Microsoft is abandoning Japan, a concession that won't exactly thrill japanese developers.

BTW, JasonPS3 and anyone else who's interested, the Leipzig Games Convention takes place in late August. Here's a link talking about it:

http://www17.tomshardware.com/game/20040827/leipzig-04.html

Good, I found the dates for this year's convention:

GC 2005: GC Games + Entertainment
(exhibition halls): 18 - 21.08.2005
GC Business Center (B2B): 17 - 20.08.2005
GCDC (GC Developer Conference): 16 - 18.08.2005

[Jasonps3]

Thanks Metal Sphere. I was wondering when the event is taking place.

[Forbiden]

Yeah, it seems like the mainstream media getting a hold of the PS3's specs coupled with the success of the last two consoles literally make the media itself a tool to hype the Playstation brand with Sony doing little or nothing at all. This is where most fanboys/detractors fall face first in trying to prove that Sony reps actually claimed a certain feature or performance goal being available/achievable.

And that rumor about Microsoft pulling back the launch in the Japan really seems rather likely. Their current launch titles are more western oriented, with only 2 or 3 titles (Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, DOA:4) to appeal to them. Honestly, that's not enough to sway the japanese to a foreign console. However, as you mentioned they'd want to shift the most units elsewhere. This is a lose/lose situation because it'll look like Microsoft is abandoning Japan, a concession that won't exactly thrill japanese developers.

BTW, JasonPS3 and anyone else who's interested, the Leipzig Games Convention takes place in late August. Here's a link talking about it:

http://www17.tomshardware.com/game/20040827/leipzig-04.html

Good, I found the dates for this year's convention:


The polls in japan have shown that japanese costumers are really expecting the PS3 and still are not that much atracted to the Xbox. For some reason, Bill Gate's plans to buy Japanese publisher and atract the asian market seems to still be a flop.

[Metal Sphere]

The polls in japan have shown that japanese costumers are really expecting the PS3 and still are not that much atracted to the Xbox. For some reason, Bill Gate's plans to buy Japanese publisher and atract the asian market seems to still be a flop.

Sure they can shell out money, since that'll guarantee the developers will make games exclusively for them (see Mistwalker), but it isn't exactly the best way. It's quick, but costly and Microsoft's trying to maximize profits this time around after the Xbox, which would a money sink for Microsoft. Many speculate that if the 360 doesn't do well enough, that investors and shareholders will seek to axe it. I'm not of that opinion, though it's possible.

Japanese developers simply don't want to support the successor to a console that's had some of the worst sales I've ever seen. And if Microsoft doesn't get that support, they can't appeal to Japanese gamers and no consoles get sold. So, in a way, they were forced to whip out the cash, since they're in a bad way at the moment (in Japan anyway).

Lastly, if the PS3's rumored March 2006 launch in Japan is true, the 360 will only have about 4 months to make actual sales before the PS3 comes out and puts a serious damper on it's success in Japan.

[Maya 5.0]

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/C6F3657C-F72C-4842-BA11-1DCEDC9140BB.htm

One word....OUCH!


I always thinking how the hell is MS going to do a world wide launch without big shortages.I guess this ensures North America and Europe will have enough supply.

[Hardcore Gamer]

I'm just going to toss out some initial thoughts here...

1) If that talk of 40+ launch titles is true, that is great news. Ps2 was kind of slim pickings at launch.

6) 1 gig cards for the same price as PS2 memory cards? Well can't argue with that! That will make the PSP a more appealing machine as well, and the scale achieved with the PS3 using it as it's 'memory card' format and the PSP using it as well will certainly increase the share of the memory card market belonging to Sony's formats in a big way.
Slim pickings in terms of quality? Yes.

I'm unsure of the Japanese launch, but the PS2's US launch had around 27 titles available. Of course, many of them stunk. I bought DOA2: Hardcore, SSX, and Madden 2001 at launch.

If the 40 launch titles rumor holds true, than I'd say more than half of them are going to be pretty bad. The PS2 had a pretty bad launch lineup IMO. With the hardware being close to final in comparison to the Xbox 360, maybe we'll see some decent games.

A 1GB memory stick that costs $25? That would be the day.

[xbdestroya]

A 1GB memory stick that costs $25? That would be the day.

Well I'm just thinking/hoping for an eventual ~$40 right now. I agree that $25 seems like a pipe dream.

[Hardcore Gamer]

Lastly, if the PS3's rumored March 2006 launch in Japan is true, the 360 will only have about 4 months to make actual sales before the PS3 comes out and puts a serious damper on it's success in Japan.
Ken Kurtaragi must be spinning Billy boys' words now (if MS and Sony both launch in Japan in March '06).

"It's perfect,' Kurtaragi says, radiant with bloodlust. 'The day Microsoft launches [the new Xbox], and they walk right into the PS3.'" http://forums.e-mpire.com/images/smilies/smoke.gif

[Tredoslop]

If Ninja Gaiden comes to the Playstation 3, I'm going to get the Playstation 3. Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden on one system, that would be awesome. Devil May Cry 4 is going to be shown at the Tokyo Game Show 2005.

[Metal Sphere]

If Ninja Gaiden comes to the Playstation 3, I'm going to get the Playstation 3. Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden on one system, that would be awesome. Devil May Cry 4 is going to be shown at the Tokyo Game Show 2005.

You know, if any of Team Ninja's titles are coming over to the PS3, Ninja Gaiden would probably be the most likely. If only because of the HD FMV capacity requirements.

[Tredoslop]

You know, if any of Team Ninja's titles are coming over to the PS3, Ninja Gaiden would probably be the most likely. If only because of the HD FMV capacity requirements.
Awesome! What about Dead or Alive?
I honestly hope it's Ninja Gaiden if it's one of those two.

[inuyasha16]

http://www.ps3land.com/images/offps35.jpg

this is PS3

[Eidorian]

Your hotlinked image worked in both posts. Please stop double posting. That picture is also very old.

[Forbiden]

delete one dude, that is double posting and can be counted against you.....
That image of the PS3 is widely known, as it is the one sony showed off and many magazines and PS3 sites have already posted...

[inuyasha16]

i didnt mean to double post

[Metal Sphere]

Awesome! What about Dead or Alive?
I honestly hope it's Ninja Gaiden if it's one of those two.

Now, now. Don't get your hopes up too high, but considering his utter dislike of the PS2 his interest in the PS3 could easily lead to either:

New IP or moving whichever game he feels needs the added capacity, or if he considers the PS3 more powerful, whichever game he feels would benefit the most from that. I don't know if it's true or not, but word is he's been visiting SCEI frequently as of late.

That may not mean much, but his loyalty may either be weakened or destroyed now.

[Tredoslop]

Oh well, at least we have Devil May Cry.

[rpgamer_2k5]

I don't really see MS dominating Team Ninja since it is really Tecmo that has the final say. The reason we didn't see Dead or Alive on the PS2 was because it was a very difficult power to develop unlike the Xbox. The amount of work required for DOA games exclusively on the Xbox would be very difficult to port over to the PS2.

Now that the PS3 is going to powerful and developer friendly, expect Team Ninja to develop games for the PS3 since they are already developing a game for the PSP.
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On the other hand expecting Square-Enix to develop gems for the Xbox 360 is just a far-fetched dream. I know, reality just sucks. :D

[Z]

now don't go bazooka on me all you boobie fans, but just think for a moment; Team Ninja is overrated. think about it, how famous was the DoA series on PS2(did it come on Dreamcast?). heck, many didn't even notice it untill it moved onto Box. like Halo, DoA was one of the first acceptable 3D fighters on Box. the advantage for Team Ninja is that they had very little competition on this new platform. that is where it shined. if Boobie Jumpy (also known as DoA in some circles) ever came to a Playstation platform, it has ALOT to do to get even noticed. they have a very stiff and hard competition against world renowned 3D Fighter legends like Soul Calibure, Tekken and Virtua Fighters. heck even Tobal 1&2 on PSOne had more fame and success.

now Ninja Gaiden is a great game indeed. it will also face a harder market on PS2/3 but it will have an easier time that its jugly counterpart.

finally, take note: with each new generation cycles come alot of announcemets, moves, surprises, etc. it is too early to determine anything yet. Itagaki has expressed interest in PS3 (who wouldn't?). I am not sure if a game was mentioned being made for it. still, next year's E3 may come before PS3's launch so there is alot of time for announcements.

[raVen]

This might be a little crazy but if you think about it very possible. The ps3 has everything in it to be a computer and since it will be capable of running Linux and other OS's (maybe windows and mac) whats to stop you from running Half Life 2, Knights of Old Republic or any computer game for that matter (Halo on ps3 anyone) anyway I dont know if its possible but it make one hell of a announcement.

Only problem I could see with this is less ps3 exclusives in exchange for more pc-ps3 compatible games.

[rev>thanu]

To tell you the truth DOA is completely overrated just like Z said. It will have competition to deal with in order to actually catch the attention of PS3 gamers. As for DOA coming to ps3 (just a suggestion), i would rather it not have it show up on the PS3 at all. I would rather get a completely new fighting game from team ninja of the same or better caliber and alot more realistic physics and characters. to tell you the truth even though DOA's signature is it's anime and fast pace fighting, i rather have a realistic looking fighter with characters that look more like real people. I would like to see such a fighting game coming from team ninja and with the same cool fast paced fighting and background interaction.

Ninja Gaiden on the other hand is something i would love to see coming to ps3 or ps2. i mean if RE4 was ported over to ps2 and it handles it pretty awsome then i really don't see why tecmo couldn't do the same for Ninja Gaiden.

To answer your question raVen what you just suggested can and mostlikely will happen with MOD chips etc. but right out of the box i really don't think so. also linux doesn't have as many games running on it as windows or Mac OS. I personally hope that MAC OS makes it on the ps3, it would be the best thing sony could do. more than anything i would like to see what sony has on their sleeves, i mean what if later on the life cycle of the ps3 sony decides to make their own specialized OS but not only for ps3 but also their upcoming Cell PCs, servers, etc.

[Z]

running PC games on PS3 may not be as easy as you think. the archetecture of a PC is different than a console. I can imagine emulating relitevly old PC games, Box games and Cube games, but not directly running a PC game out of the disc or any of the other two consoles. it isn't just about power. the archetecture is different.

[gnznroses]

yeah, you'll never see the day when one console can emulate games of another same-gen console. in fact, unless ps3 is a much bigger leap than usual, i doubt we'll run xbox games on it. i mean you can't run genesis or snes on a ps1 (but you can nes) and you can't run n64 on your ps2.

[raVen]

i meant the pc version of halo (sry for not clarifying) and from what Ken is saying ps3 isnt a console.

[xbdestroya]

As far as the PS3 running PC games - current gen especially - it'll be more than powerful enough. But if you're talking about running them from Linux, it's just more a matter of the fact that a lot of these games simply aren't written for Linux, but rather for Windows. Who knows what'll happen though down the line - Linux on PS3 might become quite serious, and strangely enough, might become it's own kind of platform-within-a-platform for games.

I'm getting weirded out just thinking about it. :alien:

Anyway Cell + G70 will be plenty powerful enough for emulating a lot of the current gen of hardware should the OS be amenable to that sort of thing. XBox will be easy, since the CPU is at least as powerful as the one in 360 and they are using an NVidia GPU. I mean, even the 360, which IS going to be emulating the XBox, won't be able to do it as well as the PS3 I imagine with it's actual NVidia GPU.

And PC games, as mentioned, will be more dependent on the OS compatability than anything else.

Of course we're way off in speculation land here to even be talkign about PC games or emulation on PS3.

[Z]

why is running Windows hard to conceive? PS3 will run multiple OS simultainuosly. I sure expect it to support all major OSs out there including Windoes of course. Sony may not directly support Windows, but given the freedom, a 3rd party will provide one. maybe even MS themselves. it all comes down to Windoes for them anyway.

[xbdestroya]

It's not about Sony being willing to support Windows - which I'm sure they would be more than happy to do - it's about Microsoft writing a version of Windows for Cell, which I put the chances effectively at 0%.

That is unless Cell becomes wildly successful outside of PS3, in which case they'll make a version for it just like they have everything else.

But the point is: either Microsoft has to make a custom version, or Cell has to emulate the environment to run it.

[Z]

you have a point

[Eidorian]

But the point is: either Microsoft has to make a custom version, or Cell has to emulate the environment to run it.And we all know how much performance emulation gets us...

[thedynamite007]

Sure they can shell out money, since that'll guarantee the developers will make games exclusively for them (see Mistwalker), but it isn't exactly the best way. It's quick, but costly and Microsoft's trying to maximize profits this time around after the Xbox, which would a money sink for Microsoft. Many speculate that if the 360 doesn't do well enough, that investors and shareholders will seek to axe it. I'm not of that opinion, though it's possible.

Japanese developers simply don't want to support the successor to a console that's had some of the worst sales I've ever seen. And if Microsoft doesn't get that support, they can't appeal to Japanese gamers and no consoles get sold. So, in a way, they were forced to whip out the cash, since they're in a bad way at the moment (in Japan anyway).

Lastly, if the PS3's rumored March 2006 launch in Japan is true, the 360 will only have about 4 months to make actual sales before the PS3 comes out and puts a serious damper on it's success in Japan.

and its the damn MS of bill the monopolistic oppurtunistic man! who will ever love him? Of course many loves him becoz he let them swim in his money and loot just like he did with sakaguchi and okamoto hehehe!!!

[Danji]

I think the PS3 could emulate the Revolution if it just came down to a controller difference (you could haxxor it and put it on USB perhaps...).

[raVen]

This was floating around on the gamespot forums and the source says he got it from the playstation forums, I dont really believe the validity of this, but it is everything I'm hoping from sony's online plan.

The Playstation 2 was and still is a big seller, and many of us are
excited to see what Sony will come up with next. Well, they have just
revealed to us their details about "Playstation Network", PSNet for
short. You probably all know how popular online gaming is, and Sony
knows that’s what gamers want. The PSNet, to counter one of X-Box's
main functions, X-Box Live, will make online gaming more advanced then
ever. On the Playstation 2, you had to buy the internet adapter and
attach it to the back of the system. Not anymore, as Sony will have
that feature built in. It will also have a wireless connection built in
(108.11b) for those with wireless routers in their house. You will not
be allowed to use the PSNet if you have Dial-up, for lag issues,
though. The PSNet will have three packages,
· 5$ Monthly

· 50$ Yearly

· Pay-By-Game



In the Pay-By-Game you will have to pay an amount to play a certain
game on the Network. The amount will be different for each game,
depending on what features or capabilities it will have. Of course,
once you pay to have a game on the Network, you will not have to pay
for that game again. We still do not know if there will be any Limited
Free Network time or downloads, like on X-Box Live.

If you have bought any type of PSNet account, all of your
stats, uploads, and videos will be uploaded into your personal
directory, which could accessed from Sony’s website.
When you turn on your Playstation 3 without any disks (Yes,
thats right, disks) in it, it will go to the System Menu. On the System
Menu, you can:
· Set the time and date, Time Zone, and Daylight Savings Time.

· See and edit what’s saved on your Hard Drive

· See your systems specs

· Make/Sign in to a Playstation Network account.



Once you select to make a PSNet account, you will have to type in your
account code that comes with the package. Then you will have to type in
your Credit Card and Personal Information. After all that, you just
have to type in your account name and password, and you’re all set. If
someone already has that name, you will, of course, have to choose
another.
Once you log onto your username from the system menu, you can:

· Edit/Check your Buddy List

· Go Online

· Look for Downloads

· Upload Content

The Buddy List is more advanced than ever. You will be able to see, without even choosing a name:

· If they are online

· What game they’re playing

· What mode and map they’re playing in

· What their clan/rank is for that game you are playing.

Once you choose somebody’s username, you can:

· Send them messages, Typed or Recorded.

· Have a Voice Chat (Only if they’re available)

· Join their game

· Invite them to your game

· Spectate


When you choose to Spectate, you can watch your friend play, even if he is on a different game, or a game that you don’t have.

When you choose to Go Online, you will be able to surf the web.


If you go to the Downloads section, there will be many options.


· Download Extras-You can download extra features to your games (Note
that additional fees may be required, unless you are using the
Pay-By-Game)
· Download Music/Videos-You will be able to download Music that
you can play during your games or to burn to a CD (Note that not all
music will be possible for download, only the artists that agree to the
deal)
If choose to Upload Content, you will be able to upload created
levels, single-player modes, replays, ect. You will be also able to
Mute People, Block People, and Voice Mask.

For sports games, there can be a different PSNet user for
each player on your team, making you work together to realize and
understand each other’s tactic to be able to work as a team.

While playing a game on the PSNet, you can set the PS3 to
record what is happening in the game, and it will be uploaded into your
personal directory. You will have limited space of how much video you
record, but you can buy more.

There will also be the ability for Cooperative Mode’s
online with other users, and of course up to four people can play
online from one Playstation 3

[xbdestroya]

Oh man, these supposed leaks are starting to make me dizzy! :help:

Sounds like a move in the right direction though, real or fake.

[Ice Phoenix]

Yeah it sounds awesome! and I agree IF it is true its exactly what they should be doing. But where is this info from besides another forum, hard to trust. I don't see why this could not be achievable. Here's to hoping though. /fingers crossed.

[Loc]

If that rumor is true, just imagine people watching you play games. And if they have the ability to talk to you, they can spend their time going around mocking people while they play games.

[Metal Sphere]

Sounds like an excellent service, but there are quite a few holes and suspicious areas when compared to the older rumors. Heck, someone could've used old Xbox Live descriptions and switched it up.

Great if true, but probably false.

[xbdestroya]

By the way seeing the original purpose of this thread, it bares mentioning that with the Resident Evil 5 announcement, the first of the 'rumors' has come true. We'll just have to see if a PSP announcement is in the pipes later down the road.

[Voidler]

New Level 5 RPG and Winning Eleven on PSP. Those rumours, or atleast related to.

[Applefiend]

I always make fun of that XBox Live service and that 50 bucks a year: "Y'all paying for what you can get for free on PC, bunch of suckers", but the minute Sony do it? I'll just pay up. :D

I'm such a hypocrite. :D

[KiLLA2006]

I always make fun of that XBox Live service and that 50 bucks a year: "Y'all paying for what you can get for free on PC, bunch of suckers", but the minute Sony do it? I'll just pay up. :D

I'm such a hypocrite. :D

lol yea same with me... but like they said, i dont know if the new xbox live allows this or not... but just to pay for the game to go online is awesome... so if, by any chance, you can't afford the monthly or yearly fees, just pay for Killzone PS3 to go online forever... AWESOME!!!! :laugh:
:ghey: <<<<AHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH hilarious

[Hardcore Gamer]

I hope that rumor about PSNet is true. Currently, I am not intertested in online play, but some of the things listed on that rumor list is very enticing. Hopefully Sony will have some sort of basic and premium service like what MS is doing with live (XBL Silver and XBL Gold). I don't want to pay for something monthly that's not a necessity, so hopefully Sony intergrates a basic service, which is free. http://forums.e-mpire.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Metal Sphere]

By the way seeing the original purpose of this thread, it bares mentioning that with the Resident Evil 5 announcement, the first of the 'rumors' has come true. We'll just have to see if a PSP announcement is in the pipes later down the road.

Whoa, excellent catch. If his "predictions" or insights are as accurate as this recent development implies, we're going to be in for some big surprises...

...or rather not very many seeing as we have a checklist of stuff to go through. Still waiting on that Mistwalker stuff, just like you XB. Is it really possibly for Sony to have had a deal with them before Microsoft paid them off, and still be able to get a game done?

[Domination]

lol yea same with me... but like they said, i dont know if the new xbox live allows this or not... but just to pay for the game to go online is awesome... so if, by any chance, you can't afford the monthly or yearly fees, just pay for Killzone PS3 to go online forever... AWESOME!!!! :laugh:
:ghey: <<<<AHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH hilarious

From what i know, Live 2/gold does this - requires a subscription, I mean. The silver is free, but only to an extent: you are able to download music, movies, pictures, demos and if I'm not mistaking, you can chat as well (not sure about video chat), but when it comes to playing any game online, you have to pay the subscription fee. This is what really turns me off about Live no matter how advance it is. Don't get me wrong, it's a simple subscription fee, but it's the point. It's kinda like going to a casino and putting money down on a table and leaving, not knowing when you will return to play with it. In other words, you are taking a gamble on a server that you have no idea how often you'll be on it. This is why I applaud Sony for at least making PlayStation online fee to the consumer.

With a free server, all you have to concentrate on are your wants and not your needs. What I mean by that are the micro-fees that will be available for extra content or just the game itself. Which means your money will be spent according to how YOU would want it and not someone else.

[Jasonps3]

Exactly what time does the Meeting start Tokyo Time?

[Metal Sphere]

We don't know. I tried googling for it, and all I got was text saying that the conference was the 21st and what was expected. Nothing about the time, though it's Thursday in Japan right now and we might not see the info until tommorow afternoon or morning.

[xbdestroya]

It'd be key if they had a live feed. Do they have a site for it up yet?

[PhYmon]

Hey guys can somebody tell me when and what hour is going to be the next playstation meeting? and also where can we see the info from that meeting!?

[Metal Sphere]

I don't think there's a site for it either. While there is news on it (googling for Playstation Meeting 2005 takes you right back to good ole PSINext) I don't think we're going to be getting news until the big guns (or at least forum members) go, post and return.

Hmm, I'd say by noon tommorow we should have some info in our hands.

[Red_Eyes]

Ok, here we go. Tons more stuff from the forum. Lots of members are questioning various claims, and the supposed insider guy is actually remaining pretty steadfast, though he says some new developments have arisen, as most everything was locked down today for what will end up in the conference on Thursday.

In regards to the Mistwalker deal, he said he's unsure to what exact context the rumblings he's been hearing refer to. He says they may be in reference to the supposed deal that Sony and Mistwalker had for BD and LO prior to MS swooping in and paying for the games dev. He did state however that Mistwalker is NOT in any way exclusive to MS on consoles, despite what MS has said. BD and LO though have 0% chance of ever hitting PS3, even a few years from now.

All the info he posted has turned out to be the key announcements Sony is prepping to build hype for the PS3; ie. Sony will likely spread them out so as to not throw all their eggs into one basket. Thus, don't expect all these points to hit the conference anymore. Many may be postponed til TGS. The thread has now turned into a sort of general upcoming Sony announcements thread, and many are speculating what will be announced at PM, TGS, etc.

One of the two Namco titles is definitely Ridge Racer 6. No surprise there. The other is supposedly not a Tekken title.

It is looking more and more likely that Tecmo does not want Team Ninja to remain exclusive to a single console this coming gen in order to increase revenues and brand awareness.

Square Enix announcing FF and DQ being PS3 exclusive likely will not happen now (however they will still be exclusive), as Sony feels it is more significant to simply let it happen, as if it is a common occurence that happens every gen. They feel announcing it may seem as if they earned or bought the exclusive rights, whereas just letting them release makes it seem as if DQ and FF will always be PlayStation only properties.

Someone asked why Konami would bother releasing Winning Eleven in Europe (as Pro Evolution) and not in Japan, and he was reminded that Winning Eleven 9 is releasing exclusively on PS2 next month, despite Pro Evo 5 hitting Xbox in Europe later this year. The decision to keep WE exclusive to PS2 and PS3 was Konami's, Sony did not buy the rights.

From Software is likely going to port all its 360 games to PS3, including Chrome Hounds and eNchant aRm.

Sony is going to market the PSP and PS3 hand-in-hand as two companion electronics when the PS3 releases, and they are going to offer levels of connectivity between the devices beyond just gaming.

Sony will announce that PS3 titles will not be playable at TGS. They may plan a special event in early 2006 to display playable titles to the public.

Sony is confident their relationship with Game Republic will continue.

SCEI is aiming to lessen the amount of money they spend to gain exclusive contracts to increase profitability, and instead maintain their relationships through improved development tools, developer support and game development assistance.

Almost all of SCEI internals studios and second party developers have now shifted development to the PS3. SCEA has done the same, however SCEE is more evenly balanced between PS2 and PS3.

Sony is contemplating offering reduced royalty fees for original properties after the success of Nintendogs.

The PS3 console design is being slightly redesigned so it looks its best when upright, not laying flat. The slot loading drive is a key feature added to allow the upright position to be more convenient.

Sony is looking to differentiate the use of memory sticks and the HDD as memory sticks = game/online content, HDD = media content. They feel 1GB and larger sticks will retail for as low as the price of PS2 memory cards when they were first released.

Everybody's Golf 5 to be announced for Japanese launch.

It is rumored within Sony (although the insider thinks its a bit far-fetched, and personally doesn't believe its true) that 2 different internal SCEI teams are co-developing 2 PS3 titles with... are you ready?... Nintendo EAD. Yeah, I know. I don't believe it either.

The PS3 launch will be the largest launch software wise in the history of the Japanese games industry. Sony hopes to have over 40 titles available.

-----

That's it for now. Seeing how the other thread has morphed into a more speculative thread on what will be announced when, and what may or may not be true, I suggest we do the same here so as not to overload our anticipation of Thursday's conference.

More to come later!

Sony developing with Nintendo EAD? That'll be insane if it turns out to be true. But then again, we all know by now that that was posted by an imposter and wasn't true. The other stuff might still be true though.

[Red_Eyes]

All of this are too amazing to be true. again we find a person boasting that he knows so much but then again Iam sure this person is just lying just to be popular and be the talk of the town and to catch attention. None of his boasting are true IAM SURE I will cut my balls if all of it are true!! this is BS!! Imagine mistwalker developing games for Ps3 when infact we all know that mistwalker is exclusive to Xbucks especially sakaguchi is alreayd swimming with Bill's money. Impossible for him to have a source since Sony personnel have None disclosure contracts. Oh my why on earth this world ruled by liars!!!

How about being a little more daring? Cut off your balls if some of it is true? Lol.

[Forbiden]

I don't think there's a site for it either. While there is news on it (googling for Playstation Meeting 2005 takes you right back to good ole PSINext) I don't think we're going to be getting news until the big guns (or at least forum members) go, post and return.

Hmm, I'd say by noon tommorow we should have some info in our hands.

Well, then, Although tomorow I work, I hope to come back at night and find some good news fromt his event. I still wouild like to know what time this show is at so that i could be on top of things from work, but since there is not time, then i guess ill have to come back to the site/forums and see what has been found out.

[Handycrap101]

I'm sorry my computer was getting fixed for quite some time and for those who remember me im back and will be posting on the PS3 forums daily now. This thread is 5 pages long and to be honest i dont wanna read it all. I was wondering if someone can sum up what was discussed in this thread about the meeting that is taking place later on today.

[Loc]

Well its morning time over there, so for all we could know it could be taking place right now.

[neptunez]

>Official PSP Web browser coming.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei02.jpg

>White PSP available September in Japan
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/img/050721a.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei01.jpg

>Television on the Go for psp
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei03.jpg

>FromSoftware Developing Platstation3Title called Project Force
http://tinypic.com/978h8k.jpg
http://tinypic.com/978ju8.jpg
http://tinypic.com/978jnb.jpg

Fromsoftware's press release http://www.fromsoftware.jp/main/press/join_ps3.pdf

[Loc]

Looks like I gotta give up Homebrew to use the web browser. Your Japanese is good =)

Oh I wanna say thanxs for updating as you go along. Kinda like watching a TV show.

[Maya 5.0]

hope this is true.This has been one of the big updates i have been waiting for.I returned my first PSP due to massive dead pixels but looks like i'll be getting another.

[solidsnakejej]

Where are you getting this info?

I found some press releases about the dev kits
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/index_e.html

[Loc]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=633900

Made a post about Firmware Version 2.0 for PSP.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/psp220w.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/psp170w.jpg

[Metal Sphere]

Well, then, Although tomorow I work, I hope to come back at night and find some good news fromt his event. I still wouild like to know what time this show is at so that i could be on top of things from work, but since there is not time, then i guess ill have to come back to the site/forums and see what has been found out.

The funny thing is, Tokyo's an day and an hour ahead of EST. So I'll know what time it is. By noon, my time we should have everything that was going to be shown.

[raVen]

meh.

I still think that some of the "Crazy Rumors" will come true by TGS

[jako]

July 21, 2005 - In an announcement made at the annual PlayStation Meeting 2005, Sony Computer Entertainment Japan revealed that it has formed a strategic licensing agreement with Havok that's effective starting yesterday. The new collaboration gives SCEI sublicensing rights of physics and animation engines for the PlayStation 3 in addition to all related content and debugging tools developed by Havok itself. This means that optimized libraries of the Havok physics and animation engines, linkers, and debuggers will all be included within the PS3 SDK. Frontline support will be provided by SCEI directly.
Because of Havok's engine, development teams will be able to use what is arguably the industry's most realistic physics system for any game that wants it directly out of the box. For the unfamiliar, the Havok system incorporates elements of real-world physics such as gravity, collision, friction, and similar dynamic forces so that they can be reproduced and blended with physically-based character animations in real-time.

"It is our pleasure to have a strategic licensing agreement with Havok," said Masa
Chatani, corporate executive and CTO, Sony Computer Entertainment. "With its cutting edge technology, Havok's physics engine is highly supported by numbers of content creators around the world. By including Havok's technology in the PS3 Software Development Kit,every developer will be able to utilize physics engine to create next generation content with real and natural effects"

"We are excited and proud to partner with SCEI to provide our physics and animation technology with the PS3 development kit," said David O'Meara, CEO of Havok. "Havok's technology has been used by major developers all over the world in more than a hundred games. Our agreement with SCEI opens the door for all PS3 developers to use Havok to create spectacular game worlds with incredibly realistic special effects and interactive game characters."

[jako]

In fact there are the exact same articles with Unreal 3.0 engine and AGEIA PhysX SDK (aka NovadeX) for use in PlayStation 3 SDK (software development kit).

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635492p1.html

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635489p1.html

[TEEDA]

ok I took notes for you retards <3

-PS2's lineup is weak overall, the games Sony is pimping are like "Uhhh blah"

-Naruto looks like my anus. Not even cel shaded

-Sega's games are PS Universe (looks good) and Let's Make Another Fucking Soccer Game XVIII (oh who cares)

-Winning Elevel 9 Ubiquitous Edition. Who thought of that name, jesus h christ wtf. Prerendered footage of a guy scoring a goal. Um great, next please.

-Wanda's frame rate is still all over the place

-Level 5 RPG interesting. They were showing a fuckton of cutscenes that were OBVIOUSLY 1080 (probably just for the presentation) and looked awesome, I was like "OMG THIS IS WHAT LEVEL 5 RPGS WILL LOOK LIKE ON PS3!" Then some characters with pug ugly textures started walking around and shit in the cutscenes and I was like "OH NO IT'S PS2!" and then it cut to normal 480i PS2 footage and I was like "ARRRGHHH MY EYES"... it still will probably be 2000% better than most other RPGs though, even though I'm not big on the art style.

-PSP system software 2.0 up next, pretty looking browser, download AVC (!!!) movies to your memory stick to watch TV and shit with awesome UMD quality. There is still no talk of pricing though, and I wonder if there will be DRM on the movies you download. Not that I wanna watch Korean dramas or anything, but hmm. White PSP has 2.0 installed already. NO HOMEBREW FOR YUO

-The PSP lineup reel was absolutely embarrassing. When fucking SMACKDOWN is the second movie to be shown you know something is very wrong. (BTW, Smack looked like the PS2 one with shittier textures, the footage had Taker throwing someone in a coffin).

-Tecmo had a PSP platformer where you whip stuff around your body to kill shit, I guess that looked not awful.

-First 3D gundam game looked like shit

-Second 2D gundam game looked like shit that was sitting in the sun for a week

-Power Pro for PSP...this would be good if I didn't already have MLB and a thousand GBA versions

-Baito Hell for PSP...looks like something where you are looking for a job? No actual gameplay footage but the people around me were giggling at it cos it looked funny.

-Rockman Dash for PSP...utter trash, texture warping and jiggling like a PSOne game, don't even bother

-Mumu no Shima - Looks like Animal Crossing with uglier art...JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO MAKE PSP GAMES WITH GOOD GRAPHICS, I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE, PERHAPS YOU HAVE SEEN A GAME CALLED 'RIDGE RACER'

-Portable Resort for PSP - A non-game from Namco where you're on an island. You can use a special stand to put it next to your PC on your desk or on your nightstand and have it sit there as your virtual dude explores an island or something. Also the producer dude played his PSP as a ukulele, face buttons were fingering and the analog pad strummed it. That was kind of bad ass.

-Monster Hunter PSP - The producer guy mentioned 4-player over ad-hoc, but I didn't hear him mention infrastructure, which makes the game essentially worthless?

-Crisis Core - Only existed as anime cutscene

-Winning Eleven PSP - like PS2 one but quite uglier

PS3 demos - same as E3, I don't remember the F1 demo but it looked kind of shitty and the physics didn't look realistic at all (cars sliding around looking all animated)

EDIT: Shit I left before the RE5 demo...oh well, the guy next to me smelled horrible and was moaning like he was in passion when he saw the Alfred Molina demo


There was the RE 5 demo on display

source : Gamespot board

[TEEDA]

gundam
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050721/psm10.jpg

NI OH
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050721/psm11.jpg
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/image/050721_1.jpghttp://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/image/050721_3.jpghttp://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/image/050721_4.jpg
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/image/050721_5.jpg
"1000 polygons in PS2 to 1.5 million polygons in PS3"

[thedynamite007]

So thats it? This meeting is just this lame with out any game demos or announcements of games from big companies like square,namco, etc? No playable or at least new screenshots or movies? Oh my Sony will be eaten by M$ expo on monday where they will show all there jap games made from those they paid

[hell0]

argh why did they even bother showing that new mech game it looks terrible : (, ni-oh and gundam looks nice though.

[TEEDA]

Resident Evil 5 footage (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/734/734381/dl_1179152.html)

[KiLLA2006]

So thats it? This meeting is just this lame with out any game demos or announcements of games from big companies like square,namco, etc? No playable or at least new screenshots or movies? Oh my Sony will be eaten by M$ expo on monday where they will show all there jap games made from those they paid

I'm kind of glad that Sony saved all the big names like square and namco for a later event... at TGS M$ will be about 8 weeks away from launch, it seems like Sony is gong to make TGS a big event for them and going to try to make people forget the name xbox360... it would be smart to take some of the "steam" off of Xbox after their event in a few days, but would have loved something else related to PS3, but am excited about PSP online... AWESOME :bigpimp:

[GleefulFarewell]

argh why did they even bother showing that new mech game it looks terrible : (, ni-oh and gundam looks nice though.


yeah...I was surprised that that was a PS3 game...it looks like shit...

[hell0]

gundam


NI Oh !
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050721/psm11.jpg

wait a sec, guan-yu is in ni-oh???

[TEEDA]

wait a sec, guan-yu is in ni-oh???

I edited , i made a mistake :twitch:

[TEEDA]

wait a sec, guan-yu is in ni-oh???

and here is a description of the Koei 's demo PS3,

Sho Nuff left before the end. Koei showed a new real-time demo of a guy staff-fighting four other people, looked pretty good. Bandai showed a Gundam game that looked EMBARASSING, it was realistic Zakus bump-mapped but with terrible animation and non-destructable environments. Project Force actually looks pretty good (those screens make it look terrible)...it's not OMG amazing, but the environments are all fully destructable, and it was clearly real-time, which makes it okay to get excited about if you like mech games because it's not just "concept" footage. Tim Sweeney was here to demo the Unreal engine which was nice.

Other new games shown included Endless Saga (Korean game from Webzen), Genji PS3 (which was SUCH prerendered CG you lying liars), Lair (Factor 5 with like 100 dragons that are all WAAAAY too shiny, the generation hasn't even started yet and everything is already too shiny and slimy), and Bio 5. Bio 5 looks like Bio 4 only hi-res, pretty much. Couldn't tell much from the demo - looks like Latin American slums, starts out dark but some birds take off and it becomes daylight and then some shadows of zombies lumber out of the sun.

[hell0]

LOL oh man, i wanna see the gundam vid!

[Colin™]

An actual web-fucking-browser and wallpapers! Thats basically the whole reason I bought this bastard, and I'm 100% willing to sacrifice my emulators for it. Streaming TV sounds pretty darn good too, but I'm not sure when it will become big in the U.S.

Great news!

[Loc]

It looks like the big-hit today is the PSP. With all these features being added to it, who couldn't go wrong by switching from homebrew. They even added an ability to transfer pictures. They added WPA encryption, USB-Keyboard support. And of course Wallpapers.

[thedynamite007]

How about being a little more daring? Cut off your balls if some of it is true? Lol.

I won ! The Meeting was a piece of crap! Now all of you believe me. There are lots of liars who wants to be popular. Such a shame

[Loc]

He also mentioned that most of his information would be spread out through a period of 10 months. You getter take some scissors and start snipping away at your balls.

[TEEDA]

From Software Project force trailer (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761163/vid_1179206.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fxfersf02.ign.com% 2F%5E357943182%2Fmovies%2Fstreamingmovies.ign.com% 2Fdocroot%2Fps3%2Farticle%2F635%2F635514%2Fproject force_072105_wmvlow.wmv%3Fposition%3Dfront)

[warmachine]

@TEEDA:

Really 1.5 MILLION polygons? Not "just" 150k?


@PS Meeting: Very disapointing! I hope Sony ignites the bomb on TGS...

[TEEDA]

@TEEDA:

Really 1.5 MILLION polygons? Not "just" 150k?


@PS Meeting: Very disapointing! I hope Sony ignites the bomb on TGS...


Yes my friend , they said exactly 1.5 millions polygons :rockon: :rockon:

[warmachine]

Holy shit!

However, I find it very strange that there is a "150" and some Kanji written under the picture... :shrug:

[TEEDA]

Holy shit!

However, I find it very strange that there is a "150" and some Kanji written under the picture... :shrug:

yeah the japanese people count the numbers in 150 k , it s very strange and different .
but it means 1.5 M polygons :moon:

-----------------------------------------
a new trailer

LAIR from factor 5 (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179203.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fxfersf02.ign.com% 2F%5E1966179445%2Fmovies%2Fstreamingmovies.ign.com %2Fdocroot%2Fps3%2Farticle%2F635%2F635510%2Flair_0 72105_wmvlow.wmv%3Fposition%3Dfront)

[warmachine]

Lair trailer on IGN

Lair Trailer (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps3/article/635/635510/lair_072105_wmvlow.wmv)



Damn! There was someone a little bit faster...


@Trailer: Looks pretty cool, except that the dragons are way too shiny.

[thedynamite007]

He also mentioned that most of his information would be spread out through a period of 10 months. You getter take some scissors and start snipping away at your balls.

Hehehe!! I won hehehe!!!! All of those are lies

[Jasonps3]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei2_08.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei2_09.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050721/scei2_10.jpg

Development kits!

[Jasonps3]

Lair trailer on IGN

Lair Trailer (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps3/article/635/635510/lair_072105_wmvlow.wmv)



Damn! There was someone a little bit faster...


@Trailer: Looks pretty cool, except that the dragons are way too shiny.


What do you expect, it's raining. :aim:-D:

[TEEDA]

Endless Saga trailer (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761165/dl_1179275.html)

from webzen entertainment korean developpers.

[Raijin]

Hehehe!! I won hehehe!!!! All of those are lies

This is not true... If you re-read them carefully, you will see that a few of them are being real.

[Yo MaMa84]

This is not true... If you re-read them carefully, you will see that a few of them are being real.


Yeah thats true......but i'm still pissed

[thedynamite007]

gundam
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050721/psm10.jpg

KOei Demo ( dynastie warriors ps3 ??)
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050721/psm11.jpg
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/image/050721_1.jpghttp://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/image/050721_3.jpghttp://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/image/050721_4.jpg
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/koeiinfo/image/050721_5.jpg
"1000 polygons in PS2 to 1.5 million polygons in PS3"


Where did you get your info and pics. Plis tell me links of the pics and movies. Also how long is the conference?

[Raijin]

Just wait a little. TGS will bring some new video footage of new games. ;)
Playstation Meeting events were not for big announcements in the past and this year is no exception.

However there are still great news for development tools etc etc...

[Jasonps3]

If you saw the pics of the Dev. kits I posted on the other Playstation Meeting thread, you noticed that the last two kits have 512 XDR. What happened to the 256 GDDR for the RSX? Did they decided to get rid of the 256 GDDR and add 256 XDR for the RSX?