Remember Perfect Dark?

[Gopherchux]

I do, it was just as good as Goldeneye, (if not better)
My best friend and I played that game for hours every weekend.
I only have one question.
What the hell happened to Perfect Dark Zero?!!
It's at least 2 years since I heard about it, and I've been dreaming about it ever since. I remember i couldnt wait for it to come out on the cube, then Rare switched to microsoft. I was considering getting an xbox, but i never heard of Perfect Dark Zero again. This pisses me off!
Where the hell did it go?!
Damnit!

[Jushiko]

I never forgot about Perfect Dark, I pwn at it.

[Gopherchux]

sweet, i would, but my friend sold his 64...:(
Do you have any idea what happened to PDZ?

[Jushiko]

It's never going to happen.

Rare - Nintendo = Delays out of the anus. And moreso than in the old days.

[Gopherchux]

aw...crap
o well, i still have Timesplitters 2

[Jushiko]

aw...crap
o well, i still have Timesplitters 2

Mediocre at best.

Get Dead to Rights, it's fun.

[orcus116]

PD0 is coming to Xbox sometime in about, oh, 2044.

[Notedog]

keep in mind Rare is a second party and doesnt have as big team as first and third partys

[Prince]

huh? Rare is first party. And Rare has over 250+ people.

Oh and supposedly they are supposed to show movies and pictures of PD Zero at X03 (Sept 16th and 17th). Thats 4 days.

[smellslikenintendospirit]

http://www.gamecritics.com/feature/artgallery/perfectdark0/art07.jpg

WTF??? It's teh kiddie!!11 WE WANT DARK PERFECT DARK!!

[Freeman_JI]

Has anyone seen PD0 i mean gameplay? u can't kill a game before it's even seen (well i guess u can) Still Rare was maybe still is a good development team I'll wait for the game before i pass judgement.

[Haris]

How is it kiddie? Isn't XIII similar?

[Barbooski]

Uh... That was sarcasm..

[Kindred]

Umm, Timesplitters 2 was quality. Dead to Rights was mediocre.

[Prince]

Timesplitters 2 was ass. Dead to Rights was ass also.

[Haris]

Timesplitters 2 was ass. Dead to Rights was ass also.

Yup.

[Jushiko]

Timesplitters 2 was ass. Dead to Rights was ass also.

I said fun, not good. Fun.

Or something.

[The Dude]

perfect dark < golden eye

[orcus116]

I dunno about that. I played PD alot more than I did GE.

[Freeman_JI]

It does not matter, the important thing is that perfect dark will receive the harware it deserves, Xbox live thank u.

[dork]

mainstream xbox gamers are gonna pass up PDZero cuz of it's kiddy look

[[[tavis]]]

http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop3/envisage/PD_XBOX_Blue.jpg

[Peter]

^^^will probably never see the light of day. Rare better get working a little faster....

[Gopherchux]

where the hell did that pic come from envisage?

Oh, and by the way. the reason it looks kiddy is because one of the main problems (which wasnt really a problem) was weak character design. The "kiddiness" is there attempt at creativity. I dont think it looks to bad, but i dont care what it looks like, as long as its as good as the original perfect dark.

[[[tavis]]]

i made that cover

[Glenn2K4]

It does not matter, the important thing is that perfect dark will receive the harware it deserves, Xbox live thank u.
yea..we can only hope xbox fans buy this game as much as they did Panzer Dragoon :evillaugh
huh? Rare is first party.
no, Rare is a second party to microsoft

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and for the record...
perfect dark > golden eye ...007 started it, joanna "perfected" it

[Prince]

no, Rare is a second party to microsoft

no, Rare is a first party to microsoft

[Freeman_JI]

yea..we can only hope xbox fans buy this game as much as they did Panzer Dragoon :evillaugh

no, Rare is a second party to microsoft

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and for the record...
perfect dark > golden eye ...007 started it, joanna "perfected" it

Fair enough, but u nintendo fans idolised this development team, yet u Nfans can't wait to put the book into them. whatever they were going multiplatform so shit was happening at nintendo NINTENDO DOES NOT DESERVE RARE too much trash talking.

[Glenn2K4]

Fair enough, but u nintendo fans idolised this development team, yet u Nfans can't wait to put the book into them. whatever they were going multiplatform so shit was happening at nintendo NINTENDO DOES NOT DESERVE RARE too much trash talking.
not true. nintendo fans have always winned about the xtremely long dev times Rare is now known for...other than that, i dont understand your post due to sentence fragments and misplaced periods.

but for you to say "perfect dark will receive the harware it deserves"..that is crap. oh yea, and i assume that conker is getting the hardware it deserves too..a N64 port with L!ve treatment. 0mg, dont over do it microsoft! HAHAHA :D

[Prince]

but for you to say "perfect dark will receive the harware it deserves"..that is crap.

Why?

Xbox controller = best for FPS'
FPS's sell best on Xbox
Xbox Live > no online from Nintendo
most powerful

what would be the advantages of keeping it on GCN hardware over Xbox hardware? more like limitations. Less ram, no online, less disk size, etc etc

[Glenn2K4]

Why?

Xbox controller = best for FPS'
FPS's sell best on Xbox
Xbox Live > no online from Nintendo
most powerful

what would be the advantages of keeping it on GCN hardware over Xbox hardware? more like limitations. Less ram, no online, less disk size, etc etc
i can say that the statement "perfect dark will receive the harware it deserves" is crap (false) based on the fact that Rare and Nintendo's collaboration is what made Rare's games so great, not the hardware or blah blah blah. -- I mean really, if Rare could make all those gems on the N64, do you really think that GCN hardware would be a problem?....NO...so obvious, it has nothing to do with hardware, so all that you said is means nothing.

We could sit here and debate which controller is the best or what sells better where, but no way does online make a game better...(you can still bring a crappy game online, can't you). Also, we could sit here and debate which console is the best (http://www.nintendonow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10640) .. but one thing that is a fact is: Rare + Nintendo = great games...Rare + Microsoft = we have yet to see, but critics haven't been too happy with the showings as of late.

So....it is safe for me to say that the "perfect dark will receive the harware it deserves" is crap based upon the great relationship rare had with nintendo making great games for nintendo...it is not safe (or is more opinioned) to say that "perfect dark will receive the harware it deserves" because there is nothing to back it up but "oh..the hardware is there to make it great." blah :chinese2:

[Prince]

"Rare is an independent company which can make whatever it wants to make."

"Rare is a rather independent company and it has the capacity to work independently."

"At the very beginning, my personal involvement was ten percent. This lessened as the sequels went on."

- Shigeru Miyamoto on Rare




Since Rare works independently (and especially on Perfect Dark since it uses no Nintendo characters), once again, what is the benefit of having it on GCN over Xbox?

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but "oh..the hardware is there to make it great."


^ Yes, thats exactly it.

[Viper]

Prince, Rare is SECOND party to MS.

Rare made great games because of talented people. Many of those talented people are no longer with Rare so the hardware is of no matter.

Rare has always been known to take its time with a game but it still managed to release 2 games per year average during the N64 lifespan (5 years/10-11 products) and in nearly 2 years with MS, has yet to produce anything and may not for nearly another year.
Clearly Rare is not what it was.

Oh yeah...Joanna had plenty of character and sure they are going back to her beginning but does that mean she needs to look like a Space Channel 5 reject?

[Prince]

Rare is first party to MS.

Rare was with MS for 2 years? What the hell are you talking about? It hasn't even been one year yet. And GbTG is coming out October 28, 2003.

[Glenn2K4]

"Rare is an independent company which can make whatever it wants to make."
it can make whatever it wats to make, but still is influenced by who owns stock in the company...in this case, microsoft has a good investment in Rare...you think they are truly independent?..most importantly, Rare isn't independent enough to be able choose to make PS2 or GCN games are they?....nope, cuz they are a microsoft second party company.
what is the benefit of having it on GCN over Xbox?
nintendo and rare DID collaborate on Perfect Dark, since they often had people from nintendo, whether it be conference calls, developer insight, etc..that is the benefit....the N and Rare collaboration (among other things).

but "oh..the hardware is there to make it great."...^ Yes, thats exactly it.
i bet they said the same about SX Superstar, Speed Kings, Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix, or The Great Escape.
obviously, the "oh so great hardware of the xbox" couldn't save these games for being complete sh*t :evillaugh

Oh yeah...Joanna had plenty of character and sure they are going back to her beginning but does that mean she needs to look like a Space Channel 5 reject?
good one :p

And GbTG is coming out October 28, 2003.

aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!!! :evillaugh

[Prince]

it can make whatever it wats to make, but still is influenced by who owns stock in the company...in this case, microsoft has a good investment in Rare...you think they are truly independent?..most importantly, Rare isn't independent enough to be able choose to make PS2 or GCN games are they?....nope, cuz they are a microsoft second party company.

He was talking about game development, and how they are independent (make games by themselves) for the most part.

Microsoft owns Rare 100% they are a first party to MS.


nintendo and rare DID collaborate on Perfect Dark, since they often had people from nintendo, whether it be conference calls, developer insight, etc..that is the benefit....the N and Rare collaboration (among other things).

If they wanted, they could go to help for Bungie which is experienced with Xbox hardware & Xbox Live. And Bungie is much more experienced in FPS' then Nintendo is... the collaboration benefit is there on Xbox as well.


i bet they said the same about SX Superstar, Speed Kings, Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix, or The Great Escape.
obviously, the "oh so great hardware of the xbox" couldn't save these games for being complete sh*t :evillaugh

Yes it could have. Those developers chose not to take advantage of the hardware.

Multiplatform games from shitty developers and a sloppy port isn't the same as an exclusive first party release built specifically for the hardware.

[Glenn2K4]

since this thread is
1) going nowhere and
2) has gotten off of subject

i will say...

- PD (N64) rocked and was > Goldeneye
- I hope PD0 comes out sooner than later
- I hope Rare is a good as it was when it with Nintendo. Otherwise, that would be sad

[smellslikenintendospirit]

How can Rare be a second party? Microsoft owns them and publishes all of their games. They're definitely first.

And by now it's clear that Rare is a bit clueless. Xbox is a system that appeals to a Western audience - people who like war games, realism, and "coolness". It makes absolutely no sense to release Grabbed by the Ghoulies on the system, or even Kameo and perhaps Conker. Unless you have the gigantic userbase of Sony, it's not profitable to release games that don't appeal to the core audience of your system. I'm no business major but I can tell you it won't sell. That's why the first few months of the console's life are crucial - they establish an image.

[Notedog]

You guys want perfect Dark 2? You got it in 2006 on Xbox2

http://www.ultimategamez.com/index.shtml

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[TheGreenElf]

Goldeneye is greater than TS2.
TS2 is better than Perfect Dark.
And Rare is NOT 1st Party, since NintendoSpirit ad Prince, you got it wrong saying that Microsoft publishes all their games. Did the whole THQ GBA deal slip your minds? :)

[Prince]

Microsoft owns Rare 100% which makes them first party, along with Bungie.

If you think otherwise then you are mistaken.

[Sendok]

where does the body armor go?

[Notedog]

If Microsoft owns Rare 100% then they should be second party.

[Glenn2K4]

You guys want perfect Dark 2? You got it in 2006 on Xbox2

i kinda figure that PD2 will release with XBOX2 anyway. I totally dont believe that it will sell well if released on xbox now, especially with halo2 to overshow it.

[Prince]

If Microsoft owns Rare 100% then they should be second party.

If Microsoft owns Rare 100% then they are first party.

[Gunpei]

They are first party.

[Notedog]

I dont understand though. Nintendo owns Silicone Knights and Retro studios and Nspace 100% and they are all second partys. Also No company owns Microsoft Nintendo and Sony yet they are first party. Please explain this to me.

[Prince]

Retro Studios = owned 100%. ====> First party
Sillicon Nights and N-Space = not owned 100%. ====> Second party

[Notedog]

ok I was reading an old news article in a magazine known as Next Generation (Now extinct) And they named Silicon Nights, Rare, and Retro studios as second partys. If rare was a second party when it was sold then shouldnt it be one now?

[Gunpei]

Retro Studios is second party. Nintendo doesnt own them 100% Retro owns stock in it themselves.

[Gopherchux]

I dont freaking care who is first or second party damnit!!! If you want to discuss that, make your own thread! You're getting off subject, this is a PD0 thread. And it sucks that the release is 2006, but the bright side is that they will have plenty of time to perfect their masterpeice!

[Prince]

"Nintendo revealed that Michael Kelbaugh is the new president of Retro Studios, Inc. Retro started out as a second party to Nintendo. Shortly before the release of Retro's first game, the excellent Metroid Prime, Nintendo bought Retro Studios completely to make them a first party developer."

http://www.cv-games.com/news_view.asp?articleID=2108


i would get a link from ign but google is being gay

[Gunpei]

shut up

[Gopherchux]

Since PD0 is coming out so late, do you think it will be truly amazing, or do you think they're gonna wait till the last minute? I personally think they've had long enough to make a insanely crumpin awesome game. If they wait till 2006, it had better be freakin unbeleiveably crumpin bodacious, and most excellent.

your comment?

[Prince]

Heres what happened. I work for Microsoft Game Studios as the janitor and i read some secret files. I found a timeline.

2000:
- Perfect Dark is released on the N64 with critical acclaim and great sales
- Bungie is bought out by Microsoft and bringing Halo exclusively to Xbox

2001:
- Rare is revealed to be working on Perfect Dark Zero, a prequel to PD
- Halo is released on the Xbox with critical acclaim and great sales
- 6 weeks after Halo shipped when Bungie got back from their short vacation, they start working on Halo 2

2002:
- In early January Rare puts out a christmas card with pictures of XB,GC,PS2 under the tree. Activision and Microsoft were rumored to be bidding on them
- IGN says that its rumored PDZero will come out in 2004 and appears to be celshaded
- Bungie puts out a Halo 2 tech demo thing in August 2002
- One month later, Microsoft buys Rare, renders of PD show a cartoony look

2003:
- Early 2003 Bungie tells everyone that Halo 2 won't make its estimated XMas 03 release and will slip into 2004
- PD is a no show at E3 and X03

Prince says:
- Most Xbox owners did not like that Perfect Dark Zero had a cartoony look, and on top of that XIII is already coming out before PD, so Rare is redesigning it for a realistic look, thus delaying it more
- Since Halo 2 is coming out in 2004 and Bungie will probably be supporting it w/ Downloadable content, it would probably take them at least another 2-3 years to make a new project or a sequel, thus missing the Xbox 2 launch
- Perfect Dark Zero should be ready for XB2 launch and by that time it would be realistic, polished, support XBL, etc -- PDZ takes the place of Halo 3 as Xbox 2's killer app

[Notedog]

good analogy but I'm guessing the part about working as a janitor isn't true.

[Blaksmoke]

You think so?

[Glenn2K4]

good timeline. good anaysis.

[brudaman]

perfect dark was the greatest game of all time

me andmy friend (who you all know very well on this forum) used to play it all the time....ahh back in the summer of ....well sometime ago

it was a great game laptopp guns...AI levels rocked the most though

[Gopherchux]

laptop guns kicked ass!
so did the pheonix and the mauler!

[KamiKaZe]

perfect dark was an awesome game, and so is ts2. dead to rights was cool at first, til i realized the levels were all basically the same....i never even finished it. it became a chore to play. anyway, i think its kinda ironic how microsoft calls nintendo kiddy, and then they go and change the way joanna looks. she looks like 17 or something. i betcha she doesnt even have her accent anymore