Nintendo to unveil games by the end of this year!

[joelcool7]

This is awsome news we all no at IGN live we are supposed to see EA and Ubi-Soft Rev titles unveiled but no announcements were related to Nintendo however 1-UP has rescently confirmed Nintendo will unviel its games before 2006 is over and playable versions will be present at E3 2006!

Quote "We won't know what to expect from Revolution games until we actually see them, but at least that's not far off. Nintendo should be conducting a proper unveiling of the system in Japan before the year is out and they've already promised hands-on demos at next year's E3. For now, we wait, speculate and hope Nintendo can really pull it off. "
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Dont forget Nintendo stated when put along side its competitors on Regular TV's you wouldnt be able to tell the differance between the graphics.

So basically for everyone who buys Rev but doesnt own an HD-TV you'll be getting the same power as you would on the X-360 and PS3 without having to pay for the power you cant use anyways.

Source
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=5&cId=3144666

[dead718]

Too bad the Xbox360 and PS3 will be RELEASED by the time we get freakin demos

[Hylian-Advocate]

^Not going to happen for the PS3..... I predicet they will also have to delay till later in 2006...

people dont realize that we really have not seen THAT much from sony yet... ...sure thatMGS4 trailer was great....but come on... also, the stuff at E3 was all demos and pre-rendered.

Sony didn't show anything playable at TGS for a reason and I think it's because they are not ready yet... ...they havn't even unveiled their concrete controller plans. After EVERYONE dogged on the boomerang controller, they had to completly re-design it.

I still think Nintendo and sony will launch around the same time.

[Danji]

You know, I never liked that quote. That's like saying "our cars look like their's if you're near-sighted!"

[Freeman_JI]

Dont forget Nintendo stated when put along side its competitors on Regular TV's you wouldnt be able to tell the differance between the graphics.

So basically for everyone who buys Rev but doesnt own an HD-TV you'll be getting the same power as you would on the X-360 and PS3 without having to pay for the power you cant use anyways.

Source
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=5&cId=3144666

Thats debatable however most people who buy a 360 will be using it's HI-DEF modes. (Hell I know I will be and I don't even own a HD-TV :) )

[SuperLuigiBros]

Nintendo to unveil games by the end of this year!

This is awsome news we all no at IGN live we are supposed to see EA and Ubi-Soft Rev titles unveiled but no announcements were related to Nintendo however 1-UP has rescently confirmed Nintendo will unviel its games before 2006 is over and playable versions will be present at E3 2006!

Is it 2005 or 2006? This year is 2005, but they are talking about 2006 in the quote. =0

[dead718]

Yeah edit that out Joel.

I never thought about that... Hmm...

I think my new and improved prediction for this gen is
1.Xbox360
2. Revolution
3. PS3

I have to hand it to microsoft though, they've seriously attracted the mainstream. EVERYONE is talking about the Xbox 360 or Xbox 2 or next Xbox. I say it's 400 dollars and they're like **** you, and **** the price, I'm buying a god damn Xbox 360.

Whatever....

[IEatFriedPikmin]

its just because its about to be released. they will do with the same with the PS3 and the revolution, and when they buy those, they wont even care about their xbox.

[HolyPaladin]

Well, at least I'm not the one that had to point out the "2006" mistake.

Anyway, no surprises here. If Nintendo intends to launch perhaps in the summer of 2006, they really should start showing us something before too much longer, and they'd definitely have to give us playable demos by E3. That's a no-brainer.

[HereticPB]

2006 is too far away.

[Vishus]

Well then I hope it's released May or June.

[MicVlaD]

Nintendo to unveil games by the end of this year!

Well, obviously. They need something to spark people's interest even more after the September unveiling of the controller. Games are just the logical next step 'cause quite frankly: what else do they currently have that would really "blow gamers away" upon revealing? They've only got the online service left so to speak, and showing an unfinished version of this service wouldn't sway any non-believers.

My guess: they'll show these games somewhere around 22nd November - 4th December, just to hinder the Xbox 360 worldwide release.

This is awsome news we all no at IGN live we are supposed to see EA and Ubi-Soft Rev titles unveiledSo not true.

[Loomer]

2006 is not so far away. I wonder what the games will be. Iwata san stated at E3 that there will be new franchise characters.

[Zeep]

My prediction: Nintendo will unveil games, footage, screenshots, etc. (the "Megaton" people have been talking about) just prior to the launch of the Xbox 360.

[Hylian-Advocate]

My prediction: Nintendo will unveil games, footage, screenshots, etc. (the "Megaton" people have been talking about) just prior to the launch of the Xbox 360.
I too see them announcing somthing arround that time.. its the perfect time to do so.

[joelcool7]

O man I cant belive I said 2006, I meant 2005 I was hastily posting this on the Sega and Nintendo boards as well so I wasnt being to carefull.

But Sony apparently announced Delays for PS3. G4TV stated PS3's new time zone was 4th Quarter 2006 to early 2007!

If this happens Sony will crash and burn like they did by Launching PSP Mid year. Sony doesnt seem to realize that Christmas is the time to launch, while all the kids write up their christmas lists you want your platform on that list. But if their is any indication about Sony. They launch their products in Japan first so if 4th Quarter 2006 it launches in Japan. at eariest it should arrive State side in January to face dismall sales in comparison to 360 or Revs Festive launches.

[dead718]

Hmmm... reasons Sony will suck this gen...

Kiddie: hey mommy, can i pwease get dat new PS thwee.
Mom: Ok son (goes to store, faints at seeing 400 dollar price tag.)

She tells the clerk about her plight and he says "Oh, you want to save money, well the revolution is 200 dollars, Jimmy would be happy with those."

January 10th... 2006....

Gamer: What PS3 WHAT!!! Why did I already buy my Xbox and revolution, crap. I cant afford it anymore. Oh well...

Two Gamers

Gamer 1: Hm... should we get the Xbox 360, the Rev, or this brand new PS3.
Gamer 2: Well the Xbox 360 comes with all this stuff for the same price as the PS3. It also has a new Halo. Revolution has some great games, you should play Zelda on it, you get bonuses, and this Nintendogs sequel looks kind of kiddy, but it may be fun to play, my wife might like it.
Gamer 1: Hmm... I think the whole family will like the revolution, I'll get that. I'm gonna get that one shooting game for it, with the controller it looks tight, I'll also get Mario for the kids, and the dog one for the better half.
Gamer 2: I'm grabbing the 360 I already got Xbox live, 6 months left, and I wanna play Halo.
Gamer 1: What about the PS3?
Gamer 2:I dont know, doesn't seem very good. The games are okay, but everyone else already has a 360 and rev, they say they're really cool!

Any of you guys agree with me here. No, I am not saying that people wont buy the PS3, which they will, but Sony will lose bad due to their ignorance

[Shadow Voa]

Personally I'll be getting a Revolution and then a PS3 since I really do not like the Xbox360... it just seems like an upgrade of like Xbox1.5.

I get better graphics, more franchise games with Sony then I would with Microsofts system, not to mention the ability to play all my old fav games on the PS3. So in the case of your scenario I would have to disagree, Xbox360 isn't coming near me.

[Nexus]

Good news. I can't wait to see some action.
Yeah edit that out Joel.

I never thought about that... Hmm...

I think my new and improved prediction for this gen is
1.Xbox360
2. Revolution
3. PS3
I don't agree with that but it is an entirely different topic.

[joelcool7]

Personally I'll be getting a Revolution and then a PS3 since I really do not like the Xbox360... it just seems like an upgrade of like Xbox1.5.

I get better graphics, more franchise games with Sony then I would with Microsofts system, not to mention the ability to play all my old fav games on the PS3. So in the case of your scenario I would have to disagree, Xbox360 isn't coming near me.

I guess I should warn you.

Sega/Konami/BandaiNamco/Capcom/SquareEnix are all lessining support for X-360.

Hideo Kojima is working on a new Franchise for the Revolution, So MetalGearSolid4 is the last MetalGear game according to Konami.

Capcom is ditching Exclusive relations with Sony on PS3 and porting ResidentEvil4 to X-360 and most likely Revolution.

BandaiNamco - so far seems to be the only company launching an Exclusive franchise on PS3 GundamWing:BattleSeed PS3, however before the merger Bandai announced it may not be able to keep any exclusive support due to high dev costs, (G4TV)

Sega - is apperantly pulling Condemned and is expected to withdrawl almost all support for PS3, with the exception of Sonic(Next-Gen).

Square-Enix - has announced that now that their exclusive deal with Sony is over FinalFantasy is going multi-platform. Due to high dev costs on PS3 and X-360 SquareEnix is reported to be considering making Rev their home platform Next-Gen.

So not many franchises are going to remain exclusive to PS3 and many wont even be on PS3. Those companies arent the only ones expressing loss of support.

Ubi-Soft Canada and EACanada have both made statements stating they may not be able to maintain PS3 support throughout its life.

So we also know that GS,Crave,Aspyr,Dreamcatcher,O3,Majesco & D3 are just a few of the other publishers who are currently experiancing Financial Difficulty and probubly wont support PS3.

All in all PS3 has lost most of its strong support, and from the looks of it will only loose more!

[SuperLuigiBros]

^Is that true/official? If it is, then the Square Enix thing is good news. There are alot of people who only get a ps2 just for the final fantasy series.

[joelcool7]

^Is that true/official? If it is, then the Square Enix thing is good news. There are alot of people who only get a ps2 just for the final fantasy series.

Dont take it wrong, Square is simply diminishing support for PS3 not cutting it all together. Look at this Gen. Notice how Square made a ton of games only for PS2 not including the FF series. Now in the Future it appears Nintendo will recive all of those Budget titles and the exclusives Square gives will most likely appear on Rev or X-360 rather than PS3.

PS3's costs are just to high most developers are considering dropping all support or are going to try to hold on as long as possible but say they to will probubly fall from PS3 developement.

Dont get me wrong their are a ton of good games comming for PS3 but it looks like their gonna be the only ones, I expect to see a drop of about 75% support.

Basically only the weathly publishers can maintain a regular flow of PS3 games. SO far the only ones that seem that strong are

EAGames - $3.129 billion

BandaiNamco - 2.491 Billion

Konami -2.357 Billion

Sega - 1.8104 billion

Activision - 1.4 Billion

Ubi-Soft - 642.8 Million

SquareEnix - 598.3 Million

Atari - 468 Million

Capcom - 448 Million

Majesco - 121 Million
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I know these arent all of the publishers. But with EACanada having stated it may not be able to maintain support for PS3, Bandai's announcement that Budget games would be priced at about 10-Million to Develope.

EAC's statement of games costing a minimum of 15-mill to 25-mill to develope one of their titles for PS3, Source (Province Newspaper)

Just look for a second how many games can be made if costs are about 25-mill for a good game.

Majesco - 4 Good games before banckrupcy

Square-Enix - 25 good titles

So as you can see how many duds would crush any one of these game companies. Most companies are withdrawing Exclusive support because simply if your game sells for 89$ and pushes 200K it only make 17.8 Million Dollars. So if thats a 25-Million dollar game and it only makes 17.8 Million Bucks that puts the game company out 6-Mill at least. (Sorry I suck at match using calculator)

So most companies are going multi-platform or completely ditching PS3, See if games like BillyHatcher which last I heard hadnt even sold 100K launched on PS3 Sega would have been out millions.

Basically game companies are choosing to play it safe.
If EAGames is worried just look at their value compared to the other leading developers/Publishers.

[dead718]

You find yourself in a lose-lose situation as a developer.

Okay I can actually turn a profit if I sell my games for 79.99.

If I sell them for 50-60 I wont make enough money, but people will buy them...

who the hell would pay 80 dollars for a game? (Is sony like shitting their pants because of this or what)

[Freeman_JI]

You find yourself in a lose-lose situation as a developer.

Okay I can actually turn a profit if I sell my games for 79.99.

If I sell them for 50-60 I wont make enough money, but people will buy them...

who the hell would pay 80 dollars for a game? (Is sony like shitting their pants because of this or what)

At the moment game devs just have to be careful to keep withing their budgets and have the best people. When Online distribution is the norm (like steam) devs will have far more personel income and power to wip out great games and use the savings to keep the technical levels very high.

[dead718]

Yeah, or just screw the PS3. It just seems like the logical decision.

It depends. They'll launch a few exclusives, see how they do, and if they turn a GOOD profit, they'll keep it up. IF those 3.5 million off of a game, they wont make any more.

[Viper]

The biggest problem I forsee happening with the cost issue is the continuation of sequals and fewer original titles.

Sequals are low risk, even if mediocre in qulaity, since the original sold well.

Original titles are risky even if they are of good quality.


This especially holds true if the MSRP of the games does increase to $60-70.00.

[joelcool7]

The biggest problem I forsee happening with the cost issue is the continuation of sequals and fewer original titles.

Sequals are low risk, even if mediocre in qulaity, since the original sold well.

Original titles are risky even if they are of good quality.


This especially holds true if the MSRP of the games does increase to $60-70.00.

Thats definatly true, SO far X-360 games are set at 60 - 80 a peice Right?

PS3 games have been estimated at 70 - 90 a peice.

And Rev, Nintendo stated prices shouldnt jump from current Gen, So that leaves us 50 - 70.

So New properties, Not many should be expected to come to PS3. and from Game Developement and MSRP costs. I expect most new Properties to launch on Revolution.

So this should come as a releif, because if a Franchise gets its start on Revolution and launches revolving around Rev's gameplay. Then the sequal and so on would work and sell best on the Rev, not only would it be difficult for the game company to change the gameplay skimatics from Rev to PS3 and X-360 Im not sure many fans would appretiate the game outside of its origional format.

Basically Nintendo stated its easy for a Game on GCN or another classic controll platform to be ported to Rev, but it will be very hard to take a game built on Rev and Port it to a classic platform! - Due to the fact if the game is created around the Rev Features (Controller ETC..) it'll be harder to take the game and remove all those features.

In other words Nintendo Revolution should recieve many ports from PS3/X-360 but it should recive the most new and exclusive properties.

[White_Wolf]

This is awsome news we all no at IGN live we are supposed to see EA and Ubi-Soft Rev titles unveiled but no announcements were related to Nintendo however 1-UP has rescently confirmed Nintendo will unviel its games before 2006 is over and playable versions will be present at E3 2006!

Quote "We won't know what to expect from Revolution games until we actually see them, but at least that's not far off. Nintendo should be conducting a proper unveiling of the system in Japan before the year is out and they've already promised hands-on demos at next year's E3. For now, we wait, speculate and hope Nintendo can really pull it off. "
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Dont forget Nintendo stated when put along side its competitors on Regular TV's you wouldnt be able to tell the differance between the graphics.

So basically for everyone who buys Rev but doesnt own an HD-TV you'll be getting the same power as you would on the X-360 and PS3 without having to pay for the power you cant use anyways.

Source
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=5&cId=3144666They didn't say that you wouldn't be able to tell a difference. What was said in the G4tech tv interview was "I don't think you will be able to tell a huge difference when all consoles are hooked up to a normal tv" This quote really worries me since he said a huge difference which means that you will be able to tell a difference and looking at Xbox 360 games now it's not looking very impressive. I think Nintendo is making a big mistake my choosing innvovation and not doing the same with power. It's already beeing said that RE5 is not coming to the rev because of no HD and it's not powerful enough.

[Viper]

They didn't say that you wouldn't be able to tell a difference. What was said in the G4tech tv interview was "I don't think you will be able to tell a huge difference when all consoles are hooked up to a normal tv" This quote really worries me since he said a huge difference which means that you will be able to tell a difference and looking at Xbox 360 games now it's not looking very impressive. I think Nintendo is making a big mistake my choosing innvovation and not doing the same with power. It's already beeing said that RE5 is not coming to the rev because of no HD and it's not powerful enough.
And you have specs to back up the lack of power theory?

Every single generation, Nintendo has downplayed graphics and specs. and every single generation, Nintendo has had the most powerful, or second most as GC case, console of that generation.

Not only that but Capcom hasn't announced any Rev games yet, neither has anyone but a select few. Why? The system isn't finished yet, that's why. Dev kits are just now getting to developers. I'm guessing it hasn't been announced yet for those reasons. Think about it. Would it make sense to see RE5 REV screens before we see any screens from Nintnedo? Hell, we haven't even seen tech demo shots yet.

[White_Wolf]

And you have specs to back up the lack of power theory?

Every single generation, Nintendo has downplayed graphics and specs. and every single generation, Nintendo has had the most powerful, or second most as GC case, console of that generation.

Not only that but Capcom hasn't announced any Rev games yet, neither has anyone but a select few. Why? The system isn't finished yet, that's why. Dev kits are just now getting to developers. I'm guessing it hasn't been announced yet for those reasons. Think about it. Would it make sense to see RE5 REV screens before we see any screens from Nintnedo? Hell, we haven't even seen tech demo shots yet.But nintendo has never said that their GFX would not look worse. They said that they think that Legend of Zelda: TP looks like a next gen game compared to what they have seen from the 360 :eek2: They directly came out and said that you will not be able to tell a huge difference between the 3 when hooked up to a normal TV which means that you will be able to. When PS3 and Xbox 360 games are running on HDTV's you will be able to tell a huge difference.

[Viper]

You must understand the difference in language when a Japanese says LOZ: TP look as good as next gen, they don't mean technically but aesthetically.

HDTV will give the image a sharper look, that's it. Note the difference in console and PC games. PC games already can be run in higher resolutions because the monitors support it. Standard now is 1024 x 786. That roughly 786p as the X360 will do. You get a sharper image (not accouting for having a more powerful graphics card and CPU over a console) from the resolution.

Why pay thousands of dollars for a TV that is only going to give you a sharper image?

Also, ATi is creating the graphics card for the Revolution. If all the Rev needed was some basic standard PC graphics, then why would ATi design a completely new processor? Why not just toss in a redesigned Radeon 9800 and be done with it for incredibly cheap? ATi doesn't make a brand new graphics processor only to give it weak graphics.

Trust that the Rev games will still be quite eye pleasing.

[joelcool7]

You must understand the difference in language when a Japanese says LOZ: TP look as good as next gen, they don't mean technically but aesthetically.

HDTV will give the image a sharper look, that's it. Note the difference in console and PC games. PC games already can be run in higher resolutions because the monitors support it. Standard now is 1024 x 786. That roughly 786p as the X360 will do. You get a sharper image (not accouting for having a more powerful graphics card and CPU over a console) from the resolution.

Why pay thousands of dollars for a TV that is only going to give you a sharper image?

Also, ATi is creating the graphics card for the Revolution. If all the Rev needed was some basic standard PC graphics, then why would ATi design a completely new processor? Why not just toss in a redesigned Radeon 9800 and be done with it for incredibly cheap? ATi doesn't make a brand new graphics processor only to give it weak graphics.

Trust that the Rev games will still be quite eye pleasing.

Correct, ATI and IBM would produce two new graphics chips that were inferior to the X-360 or PS3.

Also take into context, PS3 looks drastically better graphics wise as X-360. Nintendo's statement you shouldnt be able to tell a huge differance between the three on Normal TV. Could always be refuring to Rev not being much better than 360!

Remember the statements about Rev being weaker than its competition came at E3, since E3 Nintendo has made modifications to the console including workd on the Hollywood and Broadway chips. - Miyamoto or was it Iwata stated at E3 2005 as well.

So if Nintendo was still making the Rev more efficient at E3 2005 when they made their first statement they could have picked up the pace and improoved Graphics a bit so that it beat out X-360.

Their is no way we can say yes it will be worse or yes it will be better but I encourage you to look for the old MetroidPrime3 footage from E3 2005 its the only known footage of a Rev game. That was using the Prototype!

[Viper]

That MP3 demo was actually from GC hardware. Now image that on Revolution.

[White_Wolf]

The MP3 demo was on modified GC dev kits which means it could have been modified to a small portion of the revs power or it could not have. I just hope that Nintendo does come out with a console that produces great GFX. RE4 has the best character models I have seen this gen and most of the stuff from next gen. If the Rev can give us crisp GFX just imagine RE4 without the blury textures and more detailed environments and characters.

[MicVlaD]

Thats definatly true, SO far X-360 games are set at 60 - 80 a peice Right?

PS3 games have been estimated at 70 - 90 a peice.

And Rev, Nintendo stated prices shouldnt jump from current Gen, So that leaves us 50 - 70.No, just no.

First of all, Xbox 360 games, according to official sources, will be priced at around the same prices as current-gen games. PDZero among other games will cost about the same. However, it's up to the publishers whether or not they want to increase the price range, with Activision being the first by adding a "$60 - $65" price tag on Call of Duty 2. So, in reality, it doesn't even come close to the "set" $80 you just mentioned.

Furthermore, I've seen many "predictions" of PS3 games becoming $70, but anything higher than $75 is just plain unrealistic.

Revolution games on the other hand will most likely cost the same as games of the current generation, seeing how Nintendo wants to make everything affordable for regular people.

It's already beeing said that RE5 is not coming to the rev because of no HD and it's not powerful enough.Wrong.

Capcom has said nothing. They didn't mention a Revolution port of Resident Evil 5 at all, nor did they announce that there won't be a version for the Rev because it has no HD or isn't powerful enough. Simply put, they're undecided, and I think that was even mentioned in their official press release. The reasoning behind the exclusion of the Revolution is quite simple: at the time, developers knew too little of the console to actually announce a game for it and this is still the case.

Sure, everyone knows how the controller looks and what its capabilities are, but with a graphically good looking game like Resident Evil 5, developers just has to wait until official hardware specs are confirmed; only then can they decide whether or not they'll port it.

This isn't aimed at you entirely, nor am I really mad, but I'm getting rather tired of people looking over the fact that Capcom is, as of now, undecided and hasn't announced a thing.

[joelcool7]

No, just no.

First of all, Xbox 360 games, according to official sources, will be priced at around the same prices as current-gen games. PDZero among other games will cost about the same. However, it's up to the publishers whether or not they want to increase the price range, with Activision being the first by adding a "$60 - $65" price tag on Call of Duty 2. So, in reality, it doesn't even come close to the "set" $80 you just mentioned.

Furthermore, I've seen many "predictions" of PS3 games becoming $70, but anything higher than $75 is just plain unrealistic.
Revolution games on the other hand will most likely cost the same as games of the current generation, seeing how Nintendo wants to make everything affordable for regular people.

Wrong.

Capcom has said nothing. They didn't mention a Revolution port of Resident Evil 5 at all, nor did they announce that there won't be a version for the Rev because it has no HD or isn't powerful enough. Simply put, they're undecided, and I think that was even mentioned in their official press release. The reasoning behind the exclusion of the Revolution is quite simple: at the time, developers knew too little of the console to actually announce a game for it and this is still the case.

Sure, everyone knows how the controller looks and what its capabilities are, but with a graphically good looking game like Resident Evil 5, developers just has to wait until official hardware specs are confirmed; only then can they decide whether or not they'll port it.

This isn't aimed at you entirely, nor am I really mad, but I'm getting rather tired of people looking over the fact that Capcom is, as of now, undecided and hasn't announced a thing.

Actually I stated inbetween 60 and 80$! EACanada stated their games could sell as high as 80$ CDN at retail. Thats were I got the 80$ from. I pay alot of attention to EAC!

PS3 is altogether unrealistic, Sony's own exec's said fans will pay anything for a great game console with state of the art hardware! (E3 2005)

SO no its not unrealistic to go with the already estimated costs.
Sony chose to create a console that costs million more to support than its competitors do and their for it needs to charge more to buyers to make up for the massive losses taken developing the games.
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P.S recently Miyamoto hinted Rev might not even need a TV, from what SG007 has said and what the Miyamoto interview says it could end up being like a hologram system. If it was anything ground breaking like a hologram system having graphics worse than X-360 or PS3 would really matter!

[MicVlaD]

Actually I stated inbetween 60 and 80$! EACanada stated their games could sell as high as 80$ CDN at retail. Thats were I got the 80$ from. I pay alot of attention to EAC!Well, there's the first misunderstanding: I thought you were referring to American dollars, since the population of these boards mainly consist of Americans. Secondly, I was just narrowing down your personal guesses.

P.S recently Miyamoto hinted Rev might not even need a TV, from what SG007 has said and what the Miyamoto interview says it could end up being like a hologram system. If it was anything ground breaking like a hologram system having graphics worse than X-360 or PS3 would really matter!Yes, the Revolution doesn't need a TV: you can play your Revolution on a PC monitor as well, which has been confirmed more than a year ago.

And a hologram system is merely wishful in this time of day. It might happen with Nintendo's next-next generation console, but with the Revolution? No, especially when we know that Revolution tech demo's ran on simple televisions. And you should know better than using SG007 as a source - even if it's only partially - for any subject.