Microsoft...

[TendoBoy1284]

Microsoft seems to be in a bit of a slump right now. Xbox still hasn't really picked up in sales since it was launched a year ago. Japan is still against it. Most of Europe is against it. The only place it is doing decent is America. Microsoft already released their Xbox Live online service outside the U.S., and (ironically) sales for the service have been quite positive. But Microsoft needs to rely on something more than just a simple online service in order to have success in the gaming industry.

What they need is a bigger variety of good games. Nintendo and Sony have plenty of good games to choose from, and Microsoft needs to expand their library to more than just sports, shooters, and fighting games. Halo is one of the only games that has been selling well since the system's launch. Microsoft needs more exclusive franchises.

Also, Xbox is recieving a decent amount of 3rd-party support, but compared to Nintendo and Sony's systems, it's simply quite pathetic. Sega is one of the main supporters of the Xbox. That's good, since Sega is one of the most-respected game developers in the industry. But one company can't do much to ensure the success of a system. Tecmo is another big supporter of the Xbox, but their popularity is not as big as Sega, so they don't have much of an impact.

What can Microsoft do to stay alive in the video game industry? If they plan things right in the future and don't make so many mistakes as they did with their first system, Microsoft might just be able to make a decent comback...

[TendoBoy1284]

I am not really supporting Microsoft's decision to stay in the video game industry, but I do have some sympathy for them, since they're the newbie, and most critics are being rather harsh against their Xbox system.

NINTENDO IS THE BEST!

[Travis]

I feel they will have a chance, being that they are 2nd behind the PS2.

[Future Starlocke]

The one reason I have for not owning an Xbox (which is a widely held belief)

"There's isn't a thing an X-Box can do that my PC can't."

X-Box is down millions as of the end of 2002, and they lose about $200 every console sold. Nintendo's said to have the most comfortable overhead at just $20 a console... if Bill hired smart market analysts, he wouldn't be spending billions to lose millions.

Microsoft can do as they like... I run Windows 98, Internet Explorer, I use a Sidewinder Pro pad... they've got my interest on PC. Consoles... it's best to go Nintendo or Sony.

[Travis]

I'm not a GCN basher, actually...I'm going to get one relatively soon. I like all three, some more than others (basically that means I like PS2 the least, but I do still like it), but I don't think people should say Xbox is counted out of gaming, because it's still very alive.

[TendoBoy1284]

Yeah, Nintendo and Sony are the best console makers...always have been, always will be.

Why does Sony use old cheap technology in their PlayStation 2 systems? I thought they were the top company in the technology business, so why don't they put all that to good use with PlayStation 2?

Nintendo seems to be ahead of Sony with their technology. Since GameCube was made later on than PS2, Nintendo had an advantage to use more advanced technology... I wonder who will be better off in the future, Nintendo or Sony...

[Future Starlocke]

X-Box has N64 syndrome... it's a great console, better than the competition of the moment, but it's great games are far and few between... in fact, few altogether. I would only get an X-Box for Halo, and Halo's coming to PC... PS2 has more reasons to own it in my opinion, including the best controlled version of Capcom vs SNK 2, Final Fantasy X, Xenosaga, and others. A lot of the good PS2 games are coming to Gamecube in better form, and that's why I picked up an NGC first...

[JackieChanIsGOD]

Nintendo doesn't have to worry about technology in the future...
As long as ATi is still around (there's some internal problems right now) and the contract with NEC is still a go, then N will be just fine.

[TendoBoy1284]

Do you think Xbox still hasa chance to survivie? Microsoft is already planning a new system, and I even heard rumors of them making a smaller updated version of the existing Xbox... That'll be good news indeed. Xbox needs to be smaller, so more people won't have to break their backs trying to carry it around!

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by TendoBoy1284
Nintendo seems to be ahead of Sony with their technology. Since GameCube was made later on than PS2, Nintendo had an advantage to use more advanced technology... I wonder who will be better off in the future, Nintendo or Sony...


Sony... wether or not Nintendo likes it, they've now found the new Sega to compete with. X-Box is the CD-I, Jaguar, and 3DO that boasted omnipotent graphics but shit selection that faded between the dueling Sega and Nintendo...

[TendoBoy1284]

You're right, Xbox is suffering the same problems that plagued the N64... But look at Nintendo when they went downhill, they climed back to the top with their GameCube, and they're now doing just fine! I bet Microsoft will make a huge comback in the future, hopefully to improve upon their existing hardware...

[JackieChanIsGOD]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
X-Box has N64 syndrome... it's a great console, better than the competition of the moment, but it's great games are far and few between... in fact, few altogether. I would only get an X-Box for Halo, and Halo's coming to PC... PS2 has more reasons to own it in my opinion, including the best controlled version of Capcom vs SNK 2, Final Fantasy X, Xenosaga, and others. A lot of the good PS2 games are coming to Gamecube in better form, and that's why I picked up an NGC first...

Don't say xobox has no good games coming... or else Adam will come in and give us a list of 100 games no one's heard of and will probably be shite-ie..

Originally posted by TendoBoy1284
Do you think Xbox still hasa chance to survivie? Microsoft is already planning a new system, and I even heard rumors of them making a smaller updated version of the existing Xbox... That'll be good news indeed. Xbox needs to be smaller, so more people won't have to break their backs trying to carry it around!

And thats old man... OLD
I told you... get new arguments!

[TendoBoy1284]

Ha ha! Too bad for Microsoft! Can they make a successful comeback in the future, though? Nintendo did it when the N64 died out, and look at how well they're doing with the GameCube!

Ironically, the Xbox has made one big influence in video games: the Xbox Live online gaming service! I guess when Xbox dies, it will have the same impact as the Dreamcast did: leaving behind a legacy of future online gaming potential...

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Sony... wether or not Nintendo likes it, they've now found the new Sega to compete with. X-Box is the CD-I, Jaguar, and 3DO that boasted omnipotent graphics but shit selection that faded between the dueling Sega and Nintendo...
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Yes, Sony is the new Sega. They have been for the past 7 years! But will they die out like Sega did? Not a chance, with the huge amount of success the PlayStation franchise has right now... Microsoft is another story, though...

Xbox, it's bee fun while it lasted...

[JackieChanIsGOD]

OMG
Moderator...
Put those pieces of crap into one post....

[smellslikenintendospirit]

From a business standpoint, I feel that Micrsoft is outdoing both Nintendo and Sony. They are taking better risks, buying more companies, and simply have more money to play with.

But when one considers games, Xbox falls desperately short. You have to remember that sales come from appealing to the general public - common people. Common people like rap and pop, movies with sick humor, and shallow and "cool" videogames. Xbox puts out shooters, games about naked women playing volleyball and other "cool" software - the perfect forumula for the common, western individual, as well as the techies, who feel that since they know so much about computers, xbox is the system for them. This irrational logic suits only two kinds of people: techies and women.

The gaming community knows that gamewise, GameCube has crushed the xbox. SSBM, Pikmin, Mario Sunshine, Star Fox Adventures, Metroid Prime, Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil, Super Monkey Ball 2, and so many more with reviewers to back it up.

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by smellslikenintendospirit
From a business standpoint, I feel that Micrsoft is outdoing both Nintendo and Sony. They are taking better risks, buying more companies, and simply have more money to play with.

Good thing you don't have a business major.

I repeat,"Spending BILLIONS to *lose* MILLIONS!"

There is no profit margin, that's a big flat negative number... that means somewhere down the line Microsoft has to pay from their own pocket to developers out there somewhere instead of the consoles paying for themselves.

[Michael Bluth]

Yeah, XBox is dying, it's only 2nd in two of the three main territories. If anybody is suffering from the "N64" syndrome, it's surely the GCN. Games are starting to get canned quite frequently, although they are not the best games to begin with (Sega Sports, High Heat 2004, Haven, Rally Fusion, Toxic Grind, etc.)

Also, some interesting numbers for you people:


• In the first two months of availability, the
Xbox Holiday Offer outsold Nintendo's GameCube/Mario offering by 131 percent
• Overall, Xbox has sold 34 percent more games than
Nintendo since either console was introduced
• Launched just last month in the United States,
the, Xbox Live Starter Kits have exceeded sales expectations, eclipsing by 86 percent the number of PlayStation 2 Network Adapters Sony sold in their first month of availability



Europe

-- Sales of the Xbox holiday offering have catapulted Xbox into the No. 2 spot across the continent. (Source: ChartTrack & GfK)
-- In the United Kingdom, the largest video game market in Europe, Xbox is consistently outselling GameCube by more than two to one this holiday. (Source: ChartTrack)
-- The Xbox Live Consumer Beta and Test Drive program have been a great success, and momentum continues to build for the European retail launch, which is on track for March 14, 2003.

Australia

-- The sales gap between Xbox and Sony PlayStation 2 last week narrowed to only 4 percent (source: Inform) as Christmas shoppers made Xbox the home entertainment gift of choice.
-- Xbox weekly market share doubled to 46 percent over the past eight weeks. In the last two weeks of November alone, gift-givers Down Under grabbed more than 23,000 Xbox units. (Source: Inform)

Asia

-- Xbox launched in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan last month and is now available at more than 230 select retail outlets throughout the region. Xbox will be available in Korea Dec. 23.
-- At an Xbox launch event in Singapore Nov. 21, more than 5,000 people lined up to buy Xbox systems before the event stocks sold out. At a similar event the next day in Hong Kong, shoppers cleaned out the initial stock in just three hours.
-- New Xbox games are arriving in Asia every week. Plans call for up to 50 new games from Microsoft and other leading game publishers.

Japan

-- Holiday sales are going well with competitive holiday offers available to consumers throughout Japan.
-- There are more than 75 titles available for Xbox in Japan during this holiday season. New holiday titles include "Shin Megami Tensei Nine," "Panzer Dragoon(TM)" and "O-TO-GI," "Blinx(TM): The Time Sweeper(TM)" and "Kakuto Chojin(TM)."
-- A consumer beta of Xbox Live is successfully underway to 5,000 gamers. Xbox Live is set to launch Jan. 16, 2003, with Sega's "Phantasy Star Online Episode I and II" and other exciting launch titles.

Mexico

-- The first launch of a video game platform in Mexico kicked off very successfully. Xbox officially launched in October and is the
next-generation console most widely available at Mexican retail
(718 outlets).


As you can tell, the information is from last month, but still gives you an excellent idea as to what is happening. The XBox is here to stay, and if you'd like a list of upcoming games, feel free to ask.

[Future Starlocke]

We didn't ask for that last post... why would we want the list of upcoming games too?

[Travis]

And once again, Adam comes through in the clutch with the numbers that just don't lie, folks. I think it's fair to say that Xbox is here to stay.

[Future Starlocke]

Those are optomist numbers... correct only for the specific times listed and don't necessarily have far reaching projections. Again, just because it's doing well doesn't mean it will do better in the future.

Mario/Gamecube Bundle wasn't force-fed to people on TV... Mario Sunshine still found its way to sell millions worldwide, how many X-Box games have broken the one-million sales barrier in the US alone?

34 percent more games... just wait. Look what's coming on the Cube's radar... and X-Box live is again, the only online gaming thing force-fed to people on TV.

You forget that not only is Sony #1 out there, but Sony's #1 BY FAR. We're talking X-box and Gamecube fighting over a small portion of the overall race in the meantime... These massive "percentages" and all that are only a fraction of a fraction of the total market for either side...

Again, money talks... X-Box might be selling well, but they're losing cash faster than they make it and have been. There's no figure or sales data chart that points otherwise... the NUMBERS are impressive, but the cash is in the red. Right now based on that X-Box is the biggest failure so far to roll off the assembly line. Just because a lot of people buy it doesn't mean dick if they're not making A SINGLE PENNY off it. We're talking millions in the hole... even twenty five cents in the green looks good right about now.

[Michael Bluth]

So you're saying that they only reason they sell is because they advertise? Well, duh.


As for losing money on hardware, they don't lose $200 per system, closer to $100. But they can afford that. Want to know why? The XBox has the highest attachment (games per system sold) rate of any system sold, with over 4 games being sold per console. I'm sure we both know that where the real money is the software (which is keeping Nintendo alive........ along with the GBA).

I know Halo, Dead or Alive 3, Project Gotham Racing, and Splinter Cell have sold well over 1,000,000 copies. Any other games is beyond me.

[Future Starlocke]

GBA outsold PS2 this last Christmas... don't even worry about the GBA.

Lose $20? Lose $150? Which is EASIER to turn a profit from on games? And if easier... how much MORE of a profit can you get?

[Michael Bluth]

Lose $20? Lose $150? Worth $9 billion? Worth $60+ billion?


When you add them up, there really isn't as much of a loss as you think there is. Considering Microsoft pulled in a profit, including their gaming division, of $8 billion +, there is no worries.

[Future Starlocke]

Of course Microsoft's got the largest profit gain, but it sure as hell ain't from the X-Box... lol. Fortunately enough, Microsoft is in everything... INCLUDING PC!

[Michael Bluth]

Sony's in PC also, what's your point?

[Future Starlocke]

Sony's also doing better because they're a multi-faceted company. TVs, Stereos, Video Games... same as Microsoft (to a degree).

Nintendo lives and dies by Video Games... and breakfast cereal. I also hear they're doing a Burger King kid's toy thing... and I will be buying into that. Double cheeseburger, fries and a coke plus a change to get a free GBA game? I'm there...

plus those toys look good on top of my TV.

[Michael Bluth]

Nintendo also liscenses their stuff out for toys, clothes, and of course, movies and T.V.

[Future Starlocke]

Is the Super Mario Brothers Super Show still on? That rocked... it had Lou Albano, Cartoons and Shabba Doo all in one!

WOAH... maybe I'll cap an episode of the Mario Brothers Super Show and sell it here...

[JackieChanIsGOD]

Not as often as Sony sells TVs or Stereos though...

[smellslikenintendospirit]

Xbox's software attachment rate means very little for the company. With the exception of Halo, most xbox hits, including Splinter Cell, are third-party. So in reality, Microsoft would make maybe 5-10$ off of a third-party game sold. The net profit per xbox owner is still a negative number. With Halo, much of the fifty dollars goes into development costs for Bungie. Nintendo on the other hand, sells first-party titles, with very low development cost, because not only are they situated in Japan where people work for less, but unlike Bungie, Nintendo develops so many games that their costs are minimal. Their smaller attachment rate therfore gives them a higher software profit than Microsoft.

However, it doesn't take a business major to see that Microsoft is on the right track. They may be losing money now, but it is all an investment for the future. They are establishing a user base, and slowly powering up. As for now, xbox still is garbage.

[HellSpawn]

naw man, x boxes are kinda cool. my friend has on and we play it all the time. Id get one but im way too poor. You can like store music on it and stuff. That is the shit.

[smellslikenintendospirit]

Originally posted by HellSpawn
naw man, x boxes are kinda cool. my friend has on and we play it all the time. Id get one but im way too poor. You can like store music on it and stuff. That is the shit.

this is why xbox sells.

[Future Starlocke]

That's why I own a PC... lol.

[DLX]

I Agree with FS on that one, So The Xbox Did Well During the Holliday Season? Guess What? Theres still about 3 Fiscal years remaining between now and the systems demise at the hands of the next gen consoles. Those things you posted,Phantagram, Are not necessarily a prediction as to Microsofts Domination or Failure in the future, but more of an assessment of Microsofts performance during this past holliday season. I Wouldnt be going all crazy over Statistics.

Splinter Cell sold over a million copies, Halo Sold over a million Copies?? Any more you can mention for me?? Didnt think so. And just to rub it in, Uhhh Splinter cell is coming to the Cube(You already know that but i love sayin that).

Since most of Microsofts Succesfull Games Are third Party, Microsoft still isnt making as much money as Nintendo simply because as its been said already, Nintendo has the Best Sales for first party games, in fact, People basically buy Gamecube for the franshises Nintendo made famous. Microsoft made one game famous, Halo. This Console war is a giant test for Microsoft. In The End Its The franchises A Company has the rights too that sell systems, Not the Hardware Specs, and although that whole ploy about the Xbox overpowering the home console market with its incredible graphics worked one time, i can almost assure you that if Xbox does not succesfully Create more games that appeal widely to the video game community, and stay exclusive to Microsoft, Very few are going to go out in 2006 and Buy an Xbox Next For Halo 4. Thats My Piece.

[Michael Bluth]

Alright, do you know any of Microsoft's upcoming 1st party games? Just answer that one for me.

[DLX]

It doesnt matter what there working on other thasn Halo 2, its how much it sells and how famous it becomes, so Why dont you answer your own question?? Id Like to hear it.

[Future Starlocke]

Yeah... so shut up, ugly.

[Michael Bluth]

Certainly:


- Kung Fu Chaos
- Fable
- Sudeki
- Quantum Redshift 2
- Amped 2
- RalliSport Challenge 2
- Project Gotham Racing 2
- True Fantasy Live Online
- Psychonauts
- Blinx 2
- Brute Force
- Fuzion Frenzy 2
- Crimson Skies
- Kameo: Elements of Power
- Perfect Dark 0
- Conker's Other Bad Fur Day
- Banjo-Kazooie 3
- Unanounnced Rare MMORPG
- Unannounced Rare kart game
- Unannounced Bungie project
- Maximum Chase
- Midtown Madness 3
- Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus
- Tork
- The Unseen
- The Wild Rings
- Next 2 Oddworld games
- Sports games, obviously

The above are the ones I know about.

[DLX]

Right now i can mention each system, and Quickly mention the games that made me wat to buy the system.

PS2: Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Half Life, Chrono Trigger, Grand Theft Auto, Tekken, Virtua Fighter and Many More, Splinter Cell.

Gamecube: Mario, Zelda, Starfox, F-Zero, Super Smash Bros and others, Splinter Cell.

Xbox:Halo, Splinter Cell

[DLX]

Oh My God!! Its The 100 list of games not even Phantagram cares about that he Pulled out of his ass!! Everyone run!!

[Michael Bluth]

If you want the PS2 version of Splinter Cell, you need some help. And Tekken? Final Fantasy? You have to be kidding me.

[DLX]

No Im Not Kidding you, since your the only unbiased idiot who says tekken and Final Fantasy suck, when they obviously dont.

[Future Starlocke]

Of that entire list, I might want to rent Fable. Crimson Skies will be good... but guess what?

PC.

Oh, and Dark Link... if you double/triple post again, I'll kick your ass with a mod ray. Get the picture? You can argue all you like, just don't spam up the process.

And Tekken does suck. SNK 4 LIFE!

[PhixedDice]

I think Tekken sucks now too. I'll take Virtua Fighter or Street Fighter thank you.

[Travis]

Tekken fucking blows, dude. DarkLink, you can't argue that. Tekken SUCKS.

Virtua Fighter owns Tekken any day.

[smellslikenintendospirit]

k, phantagram.

YOUR QUESTION: Alright, do you know any of Microsoft's upcoming 1st party games?

YOUR ANSWER: big list of 2nd party games.

[Travis]

2nd party games are basically the same things as 1st party games, so don't be a smart ass.

[DLX]

Well I Like Tekken..And There are many fans of it that would gladly come on this board and tell you exactly why its the best 3d fighter. But Thats Ok, Nintendo Now is predominatley Biased against Tekken for Virtua Fighter..But Thats not necessarily the General Opinion.

[Travis]

VF > Tekken has ALWAYS been the general opinion. Tekken Tag is one of the worst pieces of trash I have ever played. Now back on topic before FS kicks my ass ;)

I actually think quite a few of the games Phantagram listed are going to be totally badass. I might name them in a while.

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
Crimson Skies will be good... but guess what?

PC.


Nope, Crimson Skies was a PC series, but this game is XBox-only.



YOUR QUESTION: Alright, do you know any of Microsoft's upcoming 1st party games?

YOUR ANSWER: big list of 2nd party games.

Microsoft doesn't have 2nd parties; the only company to have 2nd parties is Nintendo. Microsoft does have a growing number of first-party developers, though.

[PhixedDice]

Why don't you tell us why Tekken is the best 3d fighter?

How am I biased against Tekken for Virtua Fighter?... I like VF series, I hate Tekken series, simple, no?

[DLX]

Originally posted by Suzuki Fanboy
VF > Tekken has ALWAYS been the general opinion. Tekken Tag is one of the worst pieces of trash I have ever played. Now back on topic before FS kicks my ass ;)


Not True. In Fact both games have always been equal or near equal in fan following and Playability. So Much so, That Namco and Sega decided to cross advertise both games prior to there mid and late 2002 releases respectively. The Famous Tekken Vs. Virtua Fighter Ads popped up in Arcades , Magazines and Video Game shows across the Video Game World, with fans of both series showing strong support for there respective fighter of Choice. Although Tekken Vs. Virtua Fighter wasnt a real game, it showed that a Very Very Close rivalry between both series is very much real. Tekken has a Huge following of Fans as Does Virtua Fighter. If you hate Tekken that your perogative, but i guarantee you Tekken doesnt suck for lots of fighting game fans around the world.

[Michael Bluth]

No I'm pretty sure it sucks, it dropped $10 in price a couple weeks after it came out.

[Travis]

Tekken = Casual gamers.

VF4 = Hardcore gamers who aren't button mashers.

[DLX]

^ Thats a Pure Opinion, nothing more. In Fact the only effective button mashing charachter is Eddy/Christie. Furthermore, Mostly every Fighting game can be played using button Mashing Tactics, So Dont bring up the button mashing issue, Because if you ever even looked at the indepth combos Tekken has you wouldnt be saying that.

[Kenshin2]

Originally posted by Phantagram
Certainly:


- Kung Fu Chaos
- Fable
- Sudeki
- Quantum Redshift 2
- Amped 2
- RalliSport Challenge 2
- Project Gotham Racing 2
- True Fantasy Live Online
- Psychonauts
- Blinx 2
- Brute Force
- Fuzion Frenzy 2
- Crimson Skies
- Kameo: Elements of Power
- Perfect Dark 0
- Conker's Other Bad Fur Day
- Banjo-Kazooie 3
- Unanounnced Rare MMORPG
- Unannounced Rare kart game
- Unannounced Bungie project
- Maximum Chase
- Midtown Madness 3
- Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus
- Tork
- The Unseen
- The Wild Rings
- Next 2 Oddworld games
- Sports games, obviously

The above are the ones I know about.

Are you the only one who wants those games. All I want is fable.

[Travis]

Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
^ Thats a Pure Opinion, nothing more. In Fact the only effective button mashing charachter is Eddy/Christie. Furthermore, Mostly every Fighting game can be played using button Mashing Tactics, So Dont bring up the button mashing issue, Because if you ever even looked at the indepth combos Tekken has you wouldnt be saying that.

Meh, I'm done with the VF vs. Tekken subject. It's pure opinion.

[Travis]

- Kung Fu Chaos
- Fable
- Sudeki
- Quantum Redshift 2
- Project Gotham Racing 2
- True Fantasy Live Online
- Brute Force
- Crimson Skies
- Kameo: Elements of Power
- Perfect Dark 0
- Conker's Other Bad Fur Day
- Unanounnced Rare MMORPG
- Unannounced Rare kart game
- Unannounced Bungie project
- Midtown Madness 3
- Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus
- Next 2 Oddworld games

I am interested in those. Tao Feng was highly praised, and I didn't read the exact review of Kung Fu Chaos, but they did say something about how awesome it was after they talked about how awesome Tao Feng was.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that they was praised by the guys at PA. Imagine that.

[Dark_Cloud]

^nice doube post

[peasantlover]

Japan

-- Holiday sales are going well with competitive holiday offers available to consumers throughout Japan.
-- There are more than 75 titles available for Xbox in Japan during this holiday season. New holiday titles include "Shin Megami Tensei Nine," "Panzer Dragoon(TM)" and "O-TO-GI," "Blinx(TM): The Time Sweeper(TM)" and "Kakuto Chojin(TM)."
-- A consumer beta of Xbox Live is successfully underway to 5,000 gamers. Xbox Live is set to launch Jan. 16, 2003, with Sega's "Phantasy Star Online Episode I and II" and other exciting launch titles.



Including this part (xbox is obviously not doing well at all in Japan) makes the rest of your propoganda seem a lot less credible.

I wish xbox fanboys (not just you phantagram) wouldnt stop saying "look how great we are doing in Australia"... I know there are several Australians on this board, so dont get upset... but does anybody really care about Australia?

Im sure xbox is the best selling console in Mexico also (since they seem to be the only one making a concerted effort in Mexico).. but again, who cares?

[Future Starlocke]

They're doing really great in Austrailia with... what was it Phantagram? About 200,000 units?

Remember... optomist numbers... in a country where 200,000 is the biggest figure, you don't really wanna brag about it...

[TendoBoy1284]

You can't count Microsoft out of the competion just yet. They are still new to the industry, and of course they'll make mistakes. Every company makes mistakes at some time in their career. Microsoft has admitted to their mistakes, and now they're trying to make a comeback. I respect Microsoft's decision to enter the video game market, though I don't fully support the Xbox. The Xbox doesn't seem to appeal to me with the software it has right now.

So what if the Xbox is selling pooly right now? Microsoft hasn't given up just yet. There is still potential for a comeback, and Microsoft is headed in the right direction by marketing ther Xbox Live online service so heavily, which has proven to be successful around the world! Also, the bundle pack with 2 Sega games is a genius strategy. You get two games and the Xbox system for the price of the system alone! What other company is offering such a good deal? Nintendo has the Super Mario Sunshine system bundle, and that's also selling pretty well.

Look at the big mistake Nintendo made when they didn't include CD-ROM technology in the N64. Instead, they reused the bulky old-fasioned cartridge technology, which made it difficult for developers to program for the system. And as a consequence of Nintendo's actions, not many companies wanted to develop games for the system because it was too difficult.

Sony made some mistakes as well. When PlayStation 2 launched back in 2000, there were many systems that were defective, and many consumers got upset when their PS2's broke all of a sudden. If you remember, Sony had to delay further shipments of their system due to a "parts shortage", this further made consumers angry and impatient. This delay lasted for a few months... Even now, you see many people having to return their defective PS2's. That somewhat proves the rumors that Sony is using cheap technology in their PlayStation hardware. This is the entire reason why I don't support Sony or their PlayStation franchise...

Nintendo, however, is always faithful to their customers. Just because they may have lost a large portion of their fans doesn't mean they'll give up. Nintendo has stated that they will continue to develop games and systems as long as people still support them. I am in full support of whatever Nintendo makes in the future.

[TendoBoy1284]

I respect Microsoft's decesion to enter the video game industry, though I don't fully support the Xbox, mainly because there isn't much game software on it that interests me...

Xbox is a decent system with plenty of potential. It's only been out on the market for little over ayear, and even though it is doing poorly right now, that doesn't mean sales won't pick up... Just remember, Microsoft is new to the video games industry, and yes they've made plenty of mistakes. So what? Every company makes mistakes at some time in their career...

At least Microsoft has admitted to their mistakes and is trying to correct them. They redesigned their Xbox controller, making it smaller and easier to use (called the Controller-S).

[JackieChanIsGOD]

Unbelievable...
Seriously man, stop. That's really annoying.

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by TendoBoy1284
I respect Microsoft's decesion to enter the video game industry, though I don't fully support the Xbox, mainly because there isn't much game software on it that interests me...

Xbox is a decent system with plenty of potential. It's only been out on the market for little over ayear, and even though it is doing poorly right now, that doesn't mean sales won't pick up... Just remember, Microsoft is new to the video games industry, and yes they've made plenty of mistakes. So what? Every company makes mistakes at some time in their career...

At least Microsoft has admitted to their mistakes and is trying to correct them. They redesigned their Xbox controller, making it smaller and easier to use (called the Controller-S).

Doing poorly? You do realize they are selling above their own expectations, while Nintendo had to lower their sales expectations by millions (they have done so twice)?

[Future Starlocke]

You know Microsoft lowered their expectations by almost half, right? In fact, every one did... console frenzy kinda hit a lull last year.

[Michael Bluth]

Nope, but I'd like a link.

[Future Starlocke]

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-886556.html

John Connors, chief financial officer for Microsoft, said in a conference call after the company's announcement of third-quarter earnings that Microsoft now expects to sell 3.5 million to 4 million units for its 2002 fiscal year, which ends June 30. Previous forecasts called for sales of 4.5 million to 6 million units during the period.

Financial analysts had expressed mounting doubts in recent weeks about Microsoft's ability to meet the sales targets, as the game machine found modest acceptance overseas.



Sales in Japan, where the Xbox went on sale in February, have been miniscule, with research firms in the country reporting sales of a few thousand units a week in recent weeks.

Sales in Europe, where the console arrived last month, have also been tepid, due partly to a selling price considerably above the Xbox's main competition, Sony's PlayStation 2. Microsoft responded by announcing a price cut of almost 40 percent early Thursday for the European Xbox. The console will now sell for for $266 in mainland Europe and $288 in Britain, compared with initial price tags of $419 and $434.

Matt Rosoff, an analyst for research firm Direction on Microsoft, said the price cuts come none too soon, as Microsoft needs a viable European market for the Xbox to be a success.

Based on Microsoft forecasts, retail patterns and comments from Microsoft insiders, Rosoff and other analysts have calculated that Europe needs to account for a third of worldwide Xbox sales for the company to reach overall targets.

"They need to see a real upswing in sales to get there," Rosoff said.

Microsoft may have to cut Xbox prices in North America as well if Sony follows through with a rumored price cut for the PlayStation 2. The Xbox and the PS2 both sell for $299 here.

Sony has maintained it has no immediate plans to cut the American price of the PS2, despite reductions last year in Japan and Europe, but P.J. McNealy, research director at research firm Gartner, predicts the company will change its tune soon.

McNealy said he expects Sony to cut the American PS2 price by the time of the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3), the game industry's main trade show, which begins May 22.

"They've historically made big hardware pricing announcements at E3," McNealy said, adding that Sony is feeling competitive pressure from solid Xbox sales in North America. "I think they're acting a little more defensively than they did a year ago."

McNealy and other analysts expect Microsoft will have to match any Sony price cuts, something Microsoft Chief Financial Officer John Connors alluded to Thursday when he discussed how the Xbox will weigh on the company's near-term earnings.

"Price erosion is a reality in this business," Connors said in a conference call with financial analysts following the announcement of Microsoft's third-quarter earnings.

Microsoft is less likely to make any price moves in Japan, where the Xbox is already competitively priced with the PS2, said Direction on Microsoft's Rosoff.

"The issue there is really that they're on Sony's home turf and that they haven't rolled out enough of the right games," he said. Rosoff added that Microsoft never expected Japan to be more than a tertiary market for the Xbox, noting that manufacturing partner Flextronics International has Xbox assembly plants in Europe and North America but not Asia.

Charlotte Stuyvenberg, director of Xbox communications, said Microsoft was building relationships with Capcom and other game developers to produce more titles tailored for Japanese tastes, the main factor in ensuring long-term success for the Xbox in Japan.

"In Japan, it's really a content objective for us," she said. "There's a flavor of content consumers are looking for that's very different than what consumers want in North America and Europe...It's going to take us some time."

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The article comes from 2002... but some goals they've outlined then they've still yet to achieve.

[Travis]

Originally posted by Dark_Cloud
^nice doube post

Nice spam.

[JackieChanIsGOD]

BOO YA FS....
You slam those stats in his face
OOOOOOoOoooooOOo

[Michael Bluth]

oic, so they did drop them - but not close to the 7 or so million Nintendo dropped. (17 to 10).

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by Phantagram
oic, so they did drop them - but not close to the 7 or so million Nintendo dropped. (17 to 10).


heh... yeah... but at least Nintendo thought they could make 17, unlike the massive 4-6 MS thought they could get... then thought twice about... then didn't.

[Michael Bluth]

True; I also merged TendoBoy's "Microsoft.." thread in with his one, hence his double post.

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by Phantagram
True; I also merged TendoBoy's "Microsoft.." thread in with his one, hence his double post.


Fuck! Why?

[JackieChanIsGOD]

Haha ^this is the reason you two are paired for mods... it's great...
Probably because it's most of the same arguing because tendoboy over there is the most unoriginal arguer ever.

[Future Starlocke]

Whatever... I closed his other thread for a reason... I was going to delete it later...

[TendoBoy1284]

I was never trying to start an argument. I was simply justfying my point that just because Microsoft is new to the video games industry, don't expect them to do amazingly well with their first console.

They are still "experimenting" with ideas. The main thing that Microsoft has seemed to accomplish well was there Xbox live online service, which has had solid sales all around the world since it was released...

It will take a while, but I'm sure that people will learn to respect and appreciate Microsoft's decision in the video games industry just like they appreciate Nintendo and Sony...

[Future Starlocke]

SHUT UP! GET BACK ON TOPIC...

oh wait... you are...

X-Box sucks. "Experimenting" does not yield perfection... NO CONSOLE will have perfect online gaming, especially if after over 10 years the PC can't do it 100% yet.

[Freeman_JI]

Hello it's fact MICROSOFT loose money, but the way Future Starlocke goes you'd think it was his money. Any ways when bill signed the documents to approve xbox, the xbox team told him that he could stand to loose 1 billion and if sony marketed hard up to 3 billion. with the profit's from the other divisions including games THIS IS NOT HURTING THEM. God you make it sound like a billion is alot to Microsoft.

[Future Starlocke]

Damn... so slow you are, Freeman.

We already addressed that Microsoft sells MANY things, as does Sony. In Sony's case, they're bringing in money, but the more X-Boxes sold=bigger loss margin. That's called operating in the red... where nothing you do can bring in money.

X-Box is losing Microsoft cash, but it's a smaller amount compared to the rest of their income. It still doesn't change the fact that they're going to lose 200 million a year on a console only doing well here (and Phant, I don't care about it being #1 in Australia... it's still only 200,000 units).

"I talk about it if it were my money"

I wish I were in posistion to say a billion's nothing. I would be pissed off and break knees and bust toes if some team of idiots designed something few people want and the ones buying are the ones putting us in the hole, although less in debt than if we never sold anything at all.

[Michael Bluth]

Actually, the XBox is doing quite well in Europe and areas like [South] Korea can only help it.

[TendoBoy1284]

Does anyone remember how well Sony did when the PlayStation 1 first launched? What makes that any different than Microsoft's first console?

Sony mass-marketed their PlayStation systems to gamers around the world, and look at how successful they've become. Microsoft is trying the same strategy, though the Xbox is mostly targeted towards the American market...

I wonder where Microsoft's gone wrong...

[Michael Bluth]

Actually the main reason Sony sold more was games - companies were getting pissed off with Nintendo and their practices and jumped ship to Sony (see: Square).

[TendoBoy1284]

Good point, but what makes Microsoft's strategy any different than Sony's? Microsoft is trying to mass-market their Xbox just like Sony did with the PlayStation. Though the Xbox is mostly targeted towards the American market...

Also, now Nintendo is becoming more friendly towards 3rd-party developers. And even Square has learned to trust them again (Final Fantasy is being re-made on the Game Boy Advance, and there's a new Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles for GameCube).


Hooray for Sony! Sony is doing just fine, and they are in no trouble of losing support or success...

Where did Microsoft go wrong? Is it a fault in their marketing strategies? Is it because people just don't trust or respect Microsoft?

I don't really care about the Xbox or any of Microsoft's video game strategies. As long as Nintendo is still in the video game business, all is fine with me!

[Michael Bluth]

Tendo, try to cut back on the double posting. I merged your last two together.


I'd have to say the XBox is targeted towards the North American, European, and Korean market with the type of games along with the online network. The only reason Crystal Chronicles is going to be on the GameCube is that Nintendo told Square they couldn't put CC on the GBA if they didn't put it on the GCN aswell, and knowing how many copies the game would sell on the GBA, Square agreed. Not only that, but Nintendo also offers incentives for companies who include GBA/GCN link-up in their games.

Microsoft hasn't gone wrong yet. If anything, they've pissed off Nintendo fans when they purchased Rare - and gave their own fans something to brag about.

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by Phantagram
Actually the main reason Sony sold more was games - companies were getting pissed off with Nintendo and their practices and jumped ship to Sony (see: Square).


That's the cold truth right there. Square ran, Capcom ran, Konami ran... believe me, anything that was a big hit on the PSX could have but wasn't made for N64. Resident Evil 2, a two CD game full of FMV, music, and all that mess was ported over completely with new additions and graphical improvements to the N64... even though it was about three years too late at that point.

Now Square, Capcom, and Konami are back with Nintendo... and even though they're doing stuff for X-Box, there really isn't any truly huge PSX level announcements been made.

The next-gen Final Fantasies went to PS2, Capcom vs SNK 2 went to PS2 and NGC first, Metal Gear Solid 2 went to PS2 first, and now X-Box's Substance is trickling back down to PS2/rumored NGC. Pretty much all the big name things done for X-Box are coming out in some shape or form to the NGC or PS2... both with larger user bases who "don't need to buy another system for a game they can play on the one they have".

People talk about "the worst graphics of the three"... the worst graphics on PS2 are better than the best graphics on the Dreamcast very often... it's not like the game will be so destroyed by visuals that it will become unenjoyable.

PS2 is getting a lot of big Japanese games from big Japanese developers, NGC is getting a lot of awesome first party titles/third party exclusives, X-Box is getting big games available on all consoles a whopping two months early. That's the only problem with it that I see... nothing is truly unique or spectacular about it... PS2 and NGC are getting all the stuff that makes their console unique, X-Box is just buying big licenses that have had a hit and miss track record. A lot of them people don't even care about anymore...

[=NukeBlaze=]

There is one fact that bothers me about microsoft...Buy buy buy!

Of course I can here Phanta and Suzuki screaming " SONY AND NINTENDO BUY COMPANIES!", and yes..yes they do..But it is not nealy as easy for them. I geuss I most resent that fact that Miscrosoft just can buy at thier whims over working for it and gaining that companies support. I know perfectly well that buying out a compainy to get thier games only for yourself is a good stratiegy, though so is buying out all the coal deposits so the other coal electical plant cannont contine to do bussiness.
It is the dissapearance of the old. So many today forget what Nintendo, Sega, and many other older companies did to put as where we are today. When the flood of new consumers came into the market today..They usually choose the most flashy or most popular item. I see people like this all the time, usually ranting the usual " RULZ! SUX!" on anything they don't even know about.

One great factor to my worring is Bill's past as well. I know his products are usually competent..But did you know that good old Bill attemped to copyright the "1" and "0' in binary code many year ago? If the court didn't though it out then everytime you opened anyothing on a computer, you would pay microsoft a royalty. Every time a company made anything on a company they would have to pay a royalty. YOU COULDN't EVEN WATCH TV WITHOUT PAYING THEM A ROYALTY! It is this kind of stratiegy that scared the hell out of me. What if this buying tred opens pandora's box? Every company rushing to buy another company in the videogame bussness before another gets there?

Only time will tell.

[Future Starlocke]

^^That's exactly why X-Box is just wrong for everything. It's money for muscle... what the hell kind of world would we be in if we only had Microsoft's faulty junk to play our games with?

Oh well... at least I'll have my PC... oh wait, Microsoft is already king there...

[TendoBoy1284]

(I've finally convinced you guys to agree with my opinions on Xbox...)

Well, so what do you all think? Should we (as gamers) continue to support what little respect we have of the Xbox, or should we simply dismiss it as a failed attempt to cash in on an already growing industry?

Microsoft seems way too optimistic about their Xbox. They should just step back and look at the facts: the Xbox is doing very poorly compared to Nintendo and Sony's systems. I had kind of realized that the Xbox would sell below-expectations, since Microsoft doesn't have a very positive record when it comes to the success of their products (*cough* Windows 2000 *cough*).

[=NukeBlaze=]

I have always had my worries about M$. Ther eis still tiem to see what will happen of all this..Hopefully only good.

[Future Starlocke]

I've always held my own opinions about M$ as well. Just do yourself a favor... get a retail job and sell Gamecubes. In 10 years you'll thank yourself... it's like signing the Declaration of Independence and not electing to turn communist.

[TendoBoy1284]

Ha! Nintendo all the way! Who cares about competition!

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
The next-gen Final Fantasies went to PS2, Capcom vs SNK 2 went to PS2 and NGC first, Metal Gear Solid 2 went to PS2 first, and now X-Box's Substance is trickling back down to PS2/rumored NGC. Pretty much all the big name things done for X-Box are coming out in some shape or form to the NGC or PS2... both with larger user bases who "don't need to buy another system for a game they can play on the one they have".

For the games, it's all a matter of opinion. For example, IMHO, Final Fantasy games (Square games, for the most part) absolutely suck donkey balls. If a FF game *were* to come to the XBox, I would not buy it. And as of yet, there is no MGS game planned for the GCN; if there was, there would most likely be worse sales than Substance on the XBox (then again, Konami were dumb asses and put the game out against a much more advanced Splinter Cell). As for Capcom vs. SNK 2: EO, there is one major factor the XBox version has compaired to the other two - online play. Such a thing, being able to play a fighting game online against another opponent in an arcade/console setting, has been a dream of gamers for many, many years. It is also a huge factor in the game.

People talk about "the worst graphics of the three"... the worst graphics on PS2 are better than the best graphics on the Dreamcast very often... it's not like the game will be so destroyed by visuals that it will become unenjoyable.

I disagree; many DC games look better than those on the PS2.

PS2 is getting a lot of big Japanese games from big Japanese developers, NGC is getting a lot of awesome first party titles/third party exclusives, X-Box is getting big games available on all consoles a whopping two months early. That's the only problem with it that I see... nothing is truly unique or spectacular about it... PS2 and NGC are getting all the stuff that makes their console unique, X-Box is just buying big licenses that have had a hit and miss track record. A lot of them people don't even care about anymore...

Hm......... what "awesome" third party exclusive games is the GCN getting? A Final Fantasy game? Unity? What else? Nintendo's main, and only, weapon is their first party games. If they started producing less games, the GCN will go down the crapper. What exactly do they have after Zelda? I'm not bashing the system, it's just a question. XBox, on the other hand, has quite the awesome exclusive line-up for 2003:


- Midtown Madness 3
- Crimson Skies
- Kung Fu Chaos
- Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
- Murakumo
- Operation Flashpoint (PC game + expansion)
- Ninja Gaiden
- Sea Dogs II
- Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Tides of War
- Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus
- WWE RAW 2
- Brute Force
- DroneZ
- Loose Cannon (you will hear of this game. Believe me.)
- Group S Challenge
- Dino Crisis 3
- Shayde: Monsters v. Humans
- Counter-Strike
- Muzzle Flash
- The Last Ninja
- Raze the Roof
- The Unseen
- CORE
- Sudeki
- B.C.
- DOOM III
- Dead or Alive: Code Cronus
- Duality
- Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders
- Otogi
- Psychonauts
- Shining Lore
- Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix
- Strident
- True Fantasy Live Online
- UFC: Tapout 2
- Kameo

Not only that, think of the projects Rare is working on, the project Bungie's second team is working on, and Bioware's secret unannounced game.

And of course, the big one:

- Halo 2



Microsoft is here for the long haul, and it's just a matter of time before they start kicking ass. Especially once the t's are crossed and the i's are dotted on the Vivendi Universal deal - it was reported that Microsoft was seen at their HQ a couple days ago.

[Future Starlocke]

Online play a big deal for Capcom SNK 2? Nah... it's still no comparison to "feel" like you've got someone else beside you especially if you can HAVE someone beside you for free.

Agreed on MGS2... it was a big let down in my opinion, but it didn't stop X-Box fans from blowing it way outta proportion with hype. Don't forget that Splinter Cell is also on NGC.

Awesome third party titles?
-Skies of Arcadia Legends
-Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield
-Splinter Cell
-Def Jam Vendetta
-Army Men: Sarge's War
-Red Faction II
-Ikaruga
-Enter the Matrix
-Megaman EXE
-P.N. 03
-Viewtiful Joe
-Resident Evil 4
-Soul Calibur 2
-True Crime: Streets of LA
-Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
-Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
-Killer 7
-(Untitled)Ridge Racer
-Sonic Adventure DX
-Starcraft: Ghost
-Twin Caliber

To address a few of your possible comebacks... Def Jam Vendetta looks like an interesting twist on the wrestling game genre. Army Men Sarge's War because people are making a stink about it... True Crime is a GTA III combatant. Ridge Racer because you felt it was a big deal for the X-Box... and Twin Caliber, because I liked Super Smash TV, and this game is a bloodier version of that.

Not discounting, of course, all of Nintendo's own Pikmin 2, Star Fox, F-Zero, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Tales of Phantasia, the Namco RPG, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Wario World and stuff like that.

[Future Starlocke]

Out of curiousity, how many of those X-Box third party titles would anyone actually play? How many of the Nintendo list? How many Nintendo's 1st party games?

[Michael Bluth]

-Skies of Arcadia Legends = DC port
-Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield = multi-platform
-Splinter Cell = multi-platform
-Def Jam Vendetta = also on PS2
-Army Men: Sarge's War
-Red Faction II = multi-platform
-Ikaruga = upgraded DC port
-Enter the Matrix = multiplatform
-Megaman EXE
-P.N. 03 = possibly multi-platform
-Viewtiful Joe = possibly multi-platform
-Resident Evil 4
-Soul Calibur 2 = multi-platform
-True Crime: Streets of LA = multi-platform
-Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse = multi-platform
-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles = multi-platform
-Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
-Killer 7 = possibly multi-platform
-(Untitled)Ridge Racer = also on XBox
-Sonic Adventure DX = upgraded DC port
-Starcraft: Ghost = won't be on the GCN once Microsoft makes their announcement
-Twin Caliber = multi-platform

You said exclusive 3rd party games........... but you only listed 5 exclusive 3rd party GCN games. All of the above XBox titles I listed are exclusive, minus a couple PC ports.

Not discounting, of course, all of Nintendo's own Pikmin 2, Star Fox, F-Zero, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Tales of Phantasia, the Namco RPG, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Wario World and stuff like that.

Pikmin 2 will most likely be just above-average, I've never liked StarFox, F-Zero will hopefully be good, SMS wasn't that good at all, never been a fan of Zelda myself, I thought you hated Metroid Prime?, havn't played Tales of Phantasia, Namco isn't all that great, Pokemon should be an awesome game, Mario Kart is very awesome, and Wario World looks like ass.


Out of curiousity, how many of those X-Box third party titles would anyone actually play? How many of the Nintendo list? How many Nintendo's 1st party games?

Out of my collection:

First-party: 6
Third-party exclusive: 3
Third-party: 6

[sagara0510]

i find it rather insulting that u consider Halo 2 a bigger title than Doom III

Doom is and was a better game than halo will ever be. nuff said

[Michael Bluth]

Don't get me wrong, I love DOOM; I own it for the PC and GBA. But in terms of Halo 2's online gameplay........... I don't think any game, IMHO, will be able to touch it for a very long time...........

[sagara0510]

hmm....fair enuf
ur probably right

but Doom 3 has got me dribbling all over myself. i've been waiting for it since Doom 2, and that was bloody ages ago :)

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by Phantagram
Don't get me wrong, I love DOOM; I own it for the PC and GBA. But in terms of Halo 2's online gameplay........... I don't think any game, IMHO, will be able to touch it for a very long time...........


Tribes 2... PC. 64 Players at once, Vehicles, Guns, etc... and it's free.

Don't even begin to start the "mutli-platform" game with me... even the great Halo is on PC.

That's why I say PC is better than X-Box... at least, my PC and a lot of hardcore gamer's PCs are better than X-Box.

Heh... and if I really care, I'll use an emulator, brah.

[HellSpawn]

^ true, PC is better than any console. But they are more expensive also. Plus the fact that playing on a t.v. is much better than playing on a monitor. unless you got one of those cool giant monitors. I would get cool games for pc but mine realy sucks. And on x box and gamecube you can have 4 friends play. 4 players on a little computer monitor would suck. The only thing i realy realy like about pc is all the RTS games. Comand and conquer is one of the best games ever made in my opinion. I always hear you rave about pc's but they also have there disadvantages. I guess it just depends on who you ask.

[Future Starlocke]

More expensive if you don't know how to shop... once before I took the Pepsi challenge and upgraded a PC to above X-Box performance with below X-Box cost.

I have to sit within three feet of my monitor to reach the keyboard and mouse and such, there go that 17" has the same effect as the 27" from six feet away.

Network your PC together if you want more people sitting beside you... otherwise get online... thousands of players for free.

One last thing, I know people that have PS2's and Gamecubes on 16" screens and they don't complain...

[HellSpawn]

Wow, better than x box with less than the cost. You gotta show me how ta do that man.

[TendoBoy1284]

People buy Nintendo systems simply for there great 1st-party games! That's why 3rd-party games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. Without the exclusive Nintendo-made games, Nintendo would've died out a long time ago...Look at the N64.

Sony is the king of video game consoles right now, that's because all of the major 3rd-party companies are maing exclusive games for the system. Sega made Shinobi, Square has made most of the Final Fantasy titles exclusive for PS2, and even Konami is supporting PS2 more than any other system.

True, Xbox doesn't have the great developer support that Sony systems have. Still, I say give it time. Microsoft will eventually bring something to the market that even the competitors can't beat... Xbox Live, Microsoft's main goal for the Xbox, has sold fairly well in the U.S., also in many foreign countries that were previously against the Xbox (Japan being one of them). Xbox Live has beaten Sony's online serivce in overall sales (I think), that's basically because it offers a better plan than Sony's online service, plus I've heard that Sony's online service is CRAP compared to Xbox Live...

Dead or Alive Volleyball is now the number one title in Japan, though that's kind of ironic. Why would Japan go frantic over a volleyball game with hot women when it's being made for their least favorite system - the Xbox?

[Future Starlocke]

Simply put, the Japanese are attracted by bouncy breasts. The game itself is incredibly shallow otherwise...

[Kliq]

EGM said that Dead or Alive volleyball isn't even reallly about volleyball.

It's more about just going to the beach and watching your girl dance, jump and have fun.

If you get bored ...... than you can play some volleyball.

I mean, you only use TWO buttons to play volleyball, they even said that you barely need the joystick to play it.

... heh

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
The game itself is incredibly shallow otherwise...



So you're saying that you've played it?

[HellSpawn]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
Simply put, the Japanese are attracted by bouncy breasts. The game itself is incredibly shallow otherwise...

who isnt?

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by Phantagram
So you're saying that you've played it?

It's a volleyball game, sister. When have you ever seen a volleyball game with incredible depth of play and unlimited replay value?

[jonapete2001]

The point I think he was trying to make is that M$ is losing tons of money on the xbox and just making up for it in windows sales. Its true that sony is in the pc market also but not nearly the level at which M$ is in the PC market. There is a difference. Sony IS IN the PC market while Microsoft is the IS the PC market.
I think M$ has realized xbox is dead and are now working on a new console. If they havn't realized that this system is all but dead then they know nothing about business.

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke


It's a volleyball game, sister. When have you ever seen a volleyball game with incredible depth of play and unlimited replay value?

I don't see how you can do something such as calling a game "shallow" without even playing it....... no matter what kind of game it is.

[smellslikenintendospirit]

Originally posted by Phantagram


I don't see how you can do something such as calling a game "shallow" without even playing it

many reviewers have mentioned its lack of deep gameplay. We all know why this game is selling, and it's not because it is a particularly good game.

[Michael Bluth]

"The volleyball part of DOAX begins as an afterthought to the girls, but really ends up being the greatest strength of the game."


- IGN

[smellslikenintendospirit]

"For a game that has "Volleyball" right in its title, you'd expect to see a reasonably good attempt at the sport of volleyball here, but DOA's version feels incredibly stripped down."

-Gamespot

[Michael Bluth]

Yeah well Gamespot sucks donkey balls, almost anybody will tell you that.

[Future Starlocke]

X-Box sucks donkey balls, almost anybody will tell you that too.

[Michael Bluth]

Well, no, considering it's outselling the GCN in North America, Europe, and of course, Australia :D

[Kliq]

But not Japan!

[Kliq]

Don't take the XBox bashing here personally, we just like to piss off Phantagram.

And, welcome to NNOW.

[lasuavion]

O! thanks for the warm welcome. what part of maryland are you from?

[PremierAudio]

First of all, I would like to complement all of you on this outstanding console war you have going here. I liked it when you guys actually said that the other person's information was true. In another (private) forum that I belong to, I have a friend that totally makes unrational arguments and makes the box look like a joke. Our console wars turned into insult wars because all he could do was tell me false information that he just basically made by opinion. Then i would quote some accurate information and he would just put me down and say that all my information is false. For example: he kept dissing TLoZ The Wind Waker because "the mood of the game is cartoony (does that make sense?) and in order to get over 40 hours of gameplay they had to make the graphics crappy". I still haven't been able to convince them that the graphic style is an important part of the game and that it was done for a real reason.

Don't get me wrong, I think the box has some potential, but the cube has a lot more to offer that more people want. Number of games doesn't matter as much as number of games that people will buy.

And as for DOAEBV, I know someone who rented it and said that the gameplay wasn't fun at all.

Last but not least.....how come nobody's given me a warm welcome to the message boards yet?:(

[Kliq]

Originally posted by lasuavion
O! thanks for the warm welcome. what part of maryland are you from?

I'm from Laurel, Maryland. I live in Anne Arundel County.

You from Maryland?

[Michael Bluth]

*puts on flame suit*

[Future Starlocke]

Thread has been edited... and re-opened.

Look here, me and Phanta are friends in this battle field... started off as a battle of one-upsmanship, but it's now just shooting in the dark between us... you guys need to take it lighter.

I don't care how new you are or how many message boards you've posted on... don't fuck around with Nintendo Now or me. You will be dealt with.

Now play nice.

[sagara0510]

....fair nuff

[VeNoM]

Not going to quote every post, but i'll do the first few post in this thread :) Here we go......

Originally posted by TendoBoy1284
Microsoft seems to be in a bit of a slump right now. Xbox still hasn't really picked up in sales since it was launched a year ago. Japan is still against it. Most of Europe is against it. The only place it is doing decent is America.

Huh? It's surpassed the Gamecube in all these markets except Japan, and has even closed the gap in Japan nearly. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by TendoBoy1284
Microsoft already released their Xbox Live online service outside the U.S., and (ironically) sales for the service have been quite positive. But Microsoft needs to rely on something more than just a simple online service in order to have success in the gaming industry.

So far that technique is working. Having games online (all playable offline too) is a good idea in my opinion. That doesn't leave anybody out now, does it?

Originally posted by TendoBoy1284
Halo is one of the only games that has been selling well since the system's launch. Microsoft needs more exclusive franchises.

Only game selling well? You must not be up to date then.

Splinter Cell - 1.8 million
Halo - around 3 million
Dead or Alive 3 - 1 million
Project Gotham Racing - 1 million
NFL Fever 2002 - 800,000
and plenty more (these are just off the top of my head)

Originally posted by TendoBoy1284
Also, Xbox is recieving a decent amount of 3rd-party support, but compared to Nintendo and Sony's systems, it's simply quite pathetic. Sega is one of the main supporters of the Xbox. That's good, since Sega is one of the most-respected game developers in the industry. But one company can't do much to ensure the success of a system. Tecmo is another big supporter of the Xbox, but their popularity is not as big as Sega, so they don't have much of an impact.

You kidding me again? Gamecube gets completly shafted when it comes to third party, most of all because the games don't sell well. Need i remind you of the 30 or so cancelled games already? Sega Sports, EA is thinking about it, Midway, and more all abandoned it. It's also missing out on great 3rd party games like Max Payne, Metal Gear Solid, and Silent Hill. So what were you saying again?

Originally posted by TendoBoy1284
What can Microsoft do to stay alive in the video game industry? If they plan things right in the future and don't make so many mistakes as they did with their first system, Microsoft might just be able to make a decent comback...

What mistakes did they make that weren't already or are being fixed?

*The price in Europe was way to high at launch (450$ USA!) so they gave 2 free games of choice and a controller to all the people who bought it, and cut the price.
*The controller S - a smaller controller. Nuff said.
*Xbox Lite (rumored) - complaining about the Xbox's size? Then buy a Xbox Lite (smaller version of Xbox) it will appeal to the Japanese more and maybe some people will buy it.
*Lack of platformers - Rare purchase

I can name alot of mistakes that Nintendo did but i'd probably be flamed.

Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
I Agree with FS on that one, So The Xbox Did Well During the Holliday Season? Guess What? Theres still about 3 Fiscal years remaining between now and the systems demise at the hands of the next gen consoles. Those things you posted,Phantagram, Are not necessarily a prediction as to Microsofts Domination or Failure in the future, but more of an assessment of Microsofts performance during this past holliday season. I Wouldnt be going all crazy over Statistics.

Splinter Cell sold over a million copies, Halo Sold over a million Copies?? Any more you can mention for me?? Didnt think so. And just to rub it in, Uhhh Splinter cell is coming to the Cube(You already know that but i love sayin that).

And how are you sure that Gamecube is going to dominate or fail in the future? You don't either. So why bother bringing that up about the Xbox? It definitly picked up momentum this holiday season, thats for sure.


Splinter Cell outsold Metroid Prime
Halo outsold Mario Sunshine
Project Gotham Racing outsold Super Smash bros melee
Dead or Alive 3 outsold Pikmin

so whats your point? Face it, alot of Xbox games sell good.


Originally posted by smellslikenintendospirit
k, phantagram.

YOUR QUESTION: Alright, do you know any of Microsoft's upcoming 1st party games?

YOUR ANSWER: big list of 2nd party games.

Wow, and like NIntendo makes all their games themselves? So far all they've done is Super Mario Sunshine, Animal Crossing, and Pikmin. All their other titles are from 2nd partys. Just like the Xbox. It doesn't matter anyway does it? It's the same thing anyway, theyre exclusive. Besides theres not really a 2nd party in Microsoft anyway, theyre all "Microsoft Game Studios".

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
Awesome third party titles?
-Skies of Arcadia Legends
-Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield
-Splinter Cell
-Def Jam Vendetta
-Army Men: Sarge's War
-Red Faction II
-Ikaruga
-Enter the Matrix
-Megaman EXE
-P.N. 03
-Viewtiful Joe
-Resident Evil 4
-Soul Calibur 2
-True Crime: Streets of LA
-Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
-Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
-Killer 7
-(Untitled)Ridge Racer
-Sonic Adventure DX
-Starcraft: Ghost
-Twin Caliber

Lets see, Skies of Arcadia Legends = DC Port, Splinter Cell = better on Xbox, Def Jam Vendetta = multiplatform, Army Men: Sarge's War = when has an army men game EVER been good?, Red Faction II = multiplatform, Ikaruga = DC port, Enter the Matrix = multiplatform, Soul Calibur 2 = multiplatform, True Crime: Streets of LA = multiplatform, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles = multiplatform, Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse = multiplatform, (Untitled)Ridge Racer = multiplatform, Sonic Adventure DX = DC port, Starcraft: Ghost = multiplatform, and lastly Twin Caliber = cancelled. So your list should look more like this:

-Megaman EXE
-P.N. 03
-Viewtiful Joe
-Resident Evil 4
-Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
-Killer 7



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Anything else i'll be glad to debate :)

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by VeNoM
Project Gotham Racing outsold Super Smash bros melee

That's the main thing I disagree with when it comes to your post, as SSB:M is also around 3 million or so units sold.

[lasuavion]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
Thread has been edited... and re-opened.

Look here, me and Phanta are friends in this battle field... started off as a battle of one-upsmanship, but it's now just shooting in the dark between us... you guys need to take it lighter.

I don't care how new you are or how many message boards you've posted on... don't fuck around with Nintendo Now or me. You will be dealt with.

Now play nice.

cool.

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by Phantagram
That's the main thing I disagree with when it comes to your post, as SSB:M is also around 3 million or so units sold.

I gotta agree with that... I don't think Project Gotham even touched SSB:M's sales...

[PremierAudio]

anyway, in summary of what i said before, and in response to your post....I guess the real thing i like about this "console war" is that you DO take it lightly. I have to agree with a lot about the x-box having a good holiday season, but you have to agree that nintendo has a great lineup in progress compared to microsoft.

Microsoft has a bunch of good looking titles coming out, but the only two i'm really expecting to be worthy of greatness are Halo 2 and maybe Fable. Every single one of Nintendo's games featuring a legendary storyline (aka metroid prime/mario/zelda/etc....) are always done beautifully, and they're now in work on new Mario, pikmin, and Starfox games, supposedly new metroid and zelda games for the cube, and i've heard small details about an SSB sequel. face it, in that regard nintendo has a lot more to look forward to than microsoft.

(note: microsoft probably has a lot more X-box Live usable games coming out soon, but i think that using the examples of Mechassualt and Unreal that those games are mostly focusing on online play and not on the single-player missions that basically suck)

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by PremierAudio
(note: microsoft probably has a lot more X-box Live usable games coming out soon, but i think that using the examples of Mechassualt and Unreal that those games are mostly focusing on online play and not on the single-player missions that basically suck)

With MechAssault, you can't use mechs online unless you unlock them in the single-player mode.

[Future Starlocke]

PrimierAudio: Where did you hear about a SSB sequel? If you're talking about that IGN article, that was purely fiction...

But yeah, otherwise you're totally right man. If big names are big sellers than Nintendo's rolling out all of it's franchise killers this year. There is a true Star Fox title, Zelda (400,000 in a week), another Mario in the works, another Metroid in the works, Pokemon (which was a top seller for Japan last year I believe), Mario Kart, Pikmin 2 and pretty much everything that's ever had Nintendo stamped on it. Couple that with new franchises coming out, the guys behind Goldeneye and Perfect Dark making a new title for NGC, Capcom's big lineup, Konami's rumored "10 Gamecube"... even if you don't like Nintendo you can't deny Gamecube's going to have one hell of a year. This is why I stand by my statement "2003 = At long last, Year of Nintendo"

[DLX]

Originally posted by VeNoM
And how are you sure that Gamecube is going to dominate or fail in the future? You don't either. So why bother bringing that up about the Xbox? It definitly picked up momentum this holiday season, thats for sure.


Ok Phantagram Jr., I Never said anything about Nintendo failing or winning in the coming 3 fiscal years. What I Did say however Was That Taking into account the Xbox's relatively Good Performance during the holliday season does not mean you can predict That it will do well in the coming 3-4 fiscal years. That is Just the Holliday season of one year. Please poin t out anywhere in my post where i said that Nintendo would dominate in the future?? Exactly. Now Shut up and learn to read.

[Future Starlocke]

Yeah... bitch.

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
There is a true Star Fox title, Zelda (400,000 in a week), another Mario in the works, another Metroid in the works, Pokemon (which was a top seller for Japan last year I believe), Mario Kart, Pikmin 2 and pretty much everything that's ever had Nintendo stamped on it. Couple that with new franchises coming out, the guys behind Goldeneye and Perfect Dark making a new title for NGC, Capcom's big lineup, Konami's rumored "10 Gamecube"... even if you don't like Nintendo you can't deny Gamecube's going to have one hell of a year. This is why I stand by my statement "2003 = At long last, Year of Nintendo"

How about Microsoft rolling out Halo 2, Fable, Kung Fu Chaos, Quantum Redshift 2, Amped 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, RalliSport Challenge 2, Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness 3, Brute Force, Tao Feng, The Unseen, Tork, B.C., The Wild Rings, Top Spin, Sudeki, Psyconauts, Perfect Dark 0, Conker's Other Bad Fur Day, Banjo-Kazooie 3, Kameo, True Fantasy Live Online, Fuzion Frenzy 2, and of course, Ninja Gaiden, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Sea Dogs II, WWE RAW 2, Loose Cannon, Steel Battalion 2, Dino Crisis 3, possibly some of the Capcom 5, DOOM III, Dues Ex 2, Full Throttle 2, Kingdom Under Fire, Duality, Strident, Otogi, Orcid, Onimusha 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Shining Lore, and much more?

Any year can be "Year of the _______" as long as you are a fan of the system and the games coming out.

[DLX]

Yet Again, the infamous 100 games of total bullshit not even phantagram cares about.

[Michael Bluth]

Actually, yes, I do care about the vast majority of those games. You would too if you knew anything about them also, instead of being so ignorant.

[dncardman]

Originally posted by Phantagram


How about Microsoft rolling out Halo 2, Fable, Kung Fu Chaos, Quantum Redshift 2, Amped 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, RalliSport Challenge 2, Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness 3, Brute Force, Tao Feng, The Unseen, Tork, B.C., The Wild Rings, Top Spin, Sudeki, Psyconauts, Perfect Dark 0, Conker's Other Bad Fur Day, Banjo-Kazooie 3, Kameo, True Fantasy Live Online, Fuzion Frenzy 2, and of course, Ninja Gaiden, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Sea Dogs II, WWE RAW 2, Loose Cannon, Steel Battalion 2, Dino Crisis 3, possibly some of the Capcom 5, DOOM III, Dues Ex 2, Full Throttle 2, Kingdom Under Fire, Duality, Strident, Otogi, Orcid, Onimusha 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Shining Lore, and much more?

Any year can be "Year of the _______" as long as you are a fan of the system and the games coming out.

uh most of those games suck...why don't u go back to XBOXfire were u and ur fellow fanboys can bash us.

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by dncardman


uh most of those games suck...why don't u go back to XBOXfire were u and ur fellow fanboys can bash us.

Which of those games suck and why? Give me a list.

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by Phantagram


That's the main thing I disagree with when it comes to your post, as SSB:M is also around 3 million or so units sold.

I meant in USA.

SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE 1,339,825

Those were the NPD sales for it in USA, not including Japan (from launch till Jan 03.)

Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx

Ok Phantagram Jr., I Never said anything about Nintendo failing or winning in the coming 3 fiscal years. What I Did say however Was That Taking into account the Xbox's relatively Good Performance during the holliday season does not mean you can predict That it will do well in the coming 3-4 fiscal years. That is Just the Holliday season of one year. Please poin t out anywhere in my post where i said that Nintendo would dominate in the future?? Exactly. Now Shut up and learn to read.

I never meant you did say that. But as soon as something good was pointed out you tried to turn it into a negativity post towards Xbox. Don't we all know that it might or might not do well in 3-4 years? I don't think you needed to say that, because that applies to all systems as well.

Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
Yet Again, the infamous 100 games of total bullshit not even phantagram cares about.

Why not? I look forward to most of them so obviously hes not the only one. Just because theres no old, established franchises doesn't mean its not good. Nintendo can just release mario spinoffs and port all their SNES mario games to GBA one by one at full price, and give you sequel after sequel and you'll be happy by that, yet your not happy by original titles?

Originally posted by Phantagram


Which of those games suck and why? Give me a list.

Because it doesn't have a "Only on Gamecube" sticker on the box haha :)

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by Phantagram
How about Microsoft rolling out Halo 2, Fable, Kung Fu Chaos, Quantum Redshift 2, Amped 2, Project Gotham Racing 2, RalliSport Challenge 2, Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness 3, Brute Force, Tao Feng, The Unseen, Tork, B.C., The Wild Rings, Top Spin, Sudeki, Psyconauts, Perfect Dark 0, Conker's Other Bad Fur Day, Banjo-Kazooie 3, Kameo, True Fantasy Live Online, Fuzion Frenzy 2, and of course, Ninja Gaiden, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Sea Dogs II, WWE RAW 2, Loose Cannon, Steel Battalion 2, Dino Crisis 3, possibly some of the Capcom 5, DOOM III, Dues Ex 2, Full Throttle 2, Kingdom Under Fire, Duality, Strident, Otogi, Orcid, Onimusha 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Shining Lore, and much more?

Any year can be "Year of the _______" as long as you are a fan of the system and the games coming out.

Don't mean to burst that bubble for ya, but a lot of those I've never heard of before.

Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness 3, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Sea Dogs 2, Deus Ex 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Strident, Doom III... sounds more like "Year of the PC" to me. :D

Dino Crisis sucks, Capcom 5 on X-Box doesn't exist, Banjo-Tooie was a flop, few are interested in Perfect Dark (more interested now in P.N.03), and Conker, unfortunately, never found an audience. In fact, I recall it being one of the biggest (sales) disappointments ever for Rare (which isn't uncommon lately).

[Michael Bluth]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
Don't mean to burst that bubble for ya, but a lot of those I've never heard of before.

And that means they'll be bad.............. how? Few people knew about GTA before GTA3.

Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness 3, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Sea Dogs 2, Deus Ex 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Strident, Doom III... sounds more like "Year of the PC" to me. :D

Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness 3 = won't be on the PC

Dino Crisis sucks, Capcom 5 on X-Box doesn't exist, Banjo-Tooie was a flop, few are interested in Perfect Dark (more interested now in P.N.03), and Conker, unfortunately, never found an audience. In fact, I recall it being one of the biggest (sales) disappointments ever for Rare (which isn't uncommon lately).

The Capcom 5 doesn't exist on the XBox as of yet, just how Splinter Cell doesn't exist on the GCN yet. Few are interested in Perfect Dark? What the hell are you smoking? Maybe very few at this particular forum, because they are all "Rare sux0rs!1!!1!1!" even though it's the same company. Conker was one of the biggest sales disappointments because it was one of the last games ever released for the N64, and I can't say there were too many owners who were even old enough to buy the game.

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
Dino Crisis sucks, Capcom 5 on X-Box doesn't exist, Banjo-Tooie was a flop, few are interested in Perfect Dark (more interested now in P.N.03), and Conker, unfortunately, never found an audience. In fact, I recall it being one of the biggest (sales) disappointments ever for Rare (which isn't uncommon lately).

How do you know DC3 will suck? Played it? Doubt it. Capcom 5? They already said its not exclusive to the GCN. At the very least its coming to Ps2. Banjo Tooie? This is not Banjo Tooie, this is Banjo Threeie, how would you know its going to suck? And for Conker, maybe the fact you had to be over 17 to purchase the game in most areas, and the fact they released it when N64 was as good as dead?

Well lets see if i act like you:

Pikmin 2 is going to suck, Animal Crossing 2 will be a rehash, blah blah. Who cares?

[dncardman]

Originally posted by Phantagram


Which of those games suck and why? Give me a list. I meant some of those games aren't that great which means i am only interested in a couple. but that's my opinion so u can think whatever u want.

[Michael Bluth]

Alright, which games aren't that great? And why?

[C.J.]

Why not? I look forward to most of them so obviously hes not the only one.

I third the notion.
And I have to say, some of you people come up with replies that my dead fish could think of.

[VeNoM]

In 2003 im looking forward to:

Halo 2
Fable
Kung Fu Chaos
Amped 2P
Project Gotham Racing 2
RalliSport Challenge 2
Crimson Skies
Midtown Madness 3
Brute Force
Tao Feng
Tork
B.C.
Top Spin
Sudeki
Psyconauts
Perfect Dark 0
Conker's Other Bad Fur Day
Banjo-Kazooie 3
Kameo
True Fantasy Live Online
Ninja Gaiden
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Steel Battalion 2
Dino Crisis 3
DOOM III
Duality
Strident
Onimusha 2
Star Wars Galaxies

and a few others. Yes. They are good. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THEM!! :uhh:

[C.J.]

If only I had the budget for all of em. I'm gonna miss that kidney...

[DLX]

Originally posted by VeNoM



I never meant you did say that. But as soon as something good was pointed out you tried to turn it into a negativity post towards Xbox.


Well Hold on Isnt that EXACTLY what youve been doing?? It Appears Every single thing that was ever ssid about the Gamecube in a positive way about the gamecube you summarized in one huge ass post and bashed every one of those statements, You want proof? just look at the first post of this page.

Originally posted by VeNoM

Don't we all know that it might or might not do well in 3-4 years? I don't think you needed to say that, because that applies to all systems as well.


If i didnt need to say that, then you didnt need to say anything of what you said in you first post, or better yet, Phantagram should have never made that half baked assumption that Because Xbox Did better than anyone in the holliday season they were gonna piss all over Nintendo and Sony.

[HellSpawn]

Dude, starlocke likes PC too much. It doesnt even count as a conslole, why do you keep bringing it up?

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
If i didnt need to say that, then you didnt need to say anything of what you said in you first post, or better yet, Phantagram should have never made that half baked assumption that Because Xbox Did better than anyone in the holliday season they were gonna piss all over Nintendo and Sony.

I don't recall him saying that.

[DLX]

^ He basically brought it up as a way to sort of "Proove" That Xbox is dominating the Market.



Originally posted by Phantagram


And that means they'll be bad.............. how? Few people knew about GTA before GTA3.

Huge Disagreement, GTA 2 is in the Greatest Hits Lineup for Ps1.


Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness 3 = won't be on the PC
.

They Wont be in the spotlight either.


The Capcom 5 doesn't exist on the XBox as of yet, just how Splinter Cell doesn't exist on the GCN yet. Few are interested in Perfect Dark? What the hell are you smoking? Maybe very few at this particular forum, because they are all "Rare sux0rs!1!!1!1!" even though it's the same company. Conker was one of the biggest sales disappointments because it was one of the last games ever released for the N64, and I can't say there were too many owners who were even old enough to buy the game.

Perfect Dark was popular because N64 owners loved Goldeneye. Now That the Franchise has Changed systems its difficult to predict how succesfull it may be simply because the Consumers who buy the Xbox are mostly diffrent from those consumers who bought a N64, Therefor I Wouldnt be bragging about PD Being succesfull just yet. True, but then again After perfect Dark, Virtually every rare game they released, sucked major ballz, and even a few before PD Werent that good. Granted i do and still Love Rare, and I Owned about 8 of there N64 Games, but saying thay didnt have there flops is stretching the truth.

The Diffrence between Splinter Cell and The Capcom 5, is that Splinter cell has already been confirmed for The Gamecube, whereas Capcom hasnt made any plans to release them on the xbox let alone confirmed that, thus making that statement wishfull thinking on your part, In Fact, Ill Quote Capcom When They Said "The 5 games may or MAY NOT Be Ported to other platforms in the future", So The Possibility of the Capcom 5 actually staying exclusive to the Gamecub even though that ominous statement by capcom was made is still very much real.

[VeNoM]

I'm looking forward to Midtown Madness 3 and Crimson Skies im going to give a rent. Why are they not in the spotlight? Eternal Darkness was not in the spotlight but it was a great game.

He never bragged about how sucessfull PD will be, he just said that Perfect Dark has a bunch of loyal fans, and alot of people are looking forward to it.

[Future Starlocke]

Who said Crimson Skies won't be on PC? It's already out on PC! Released on September 15, 2000.

[DLX]

^^ I offcially name you "Phantagram ass kisser of the month"

[Future Starlocke]

Eh... who?

Venom IS Phantagram.

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
Who said Crimson Skies won't be on PC? It's already out on PC! Released on September 15, 2000.

No. Crimson Skies on Xbox is not a direct port of the PC version, its a whole new game. GTA3 was out on PC, but did that stop tons of people from buying it on Ps2? No.

[Future Starlocke]

Originally posted by VeNoM
No. Crimson Skies on Xbox is not a direct port of the PC version, its a whole new game. GTA3 was out on PC, but did that stop tons of people from buying it on Ps2? No.

1. Whatever... sure it is.

2. GTA 3? Wow... you really proved a point tonight. Come over here, let me scratch your ears and feed you a dog bone.

...in other words...

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? You act like GTA III was a bomb on PC too... hell, I never cared for GTA III so much either. Fun for a couple of days... that's it. Cheap laugh, much like South Park.

Closed once before by Phantagram... closed once more by me.