ps3: Too Much Realism

[Mixmastershake]

One thing i've been wondering about is what do you guys think an increase in Graphics and realism will do to violent games like Gta and manhunt i mean its one thing to see a guys head explode like a watermelon when u shoot him in the head but if next gen games are supposed to look realistic i mean are developers going to show the guys skull blown off with brain matter dripping off his face violent games are already coming under fire by the fat cats in washington what if violent games become real enough that they just become disturbing.

[raVen]

its all up to the developer really...

[OnBake Platinum]

Wow, great sentence.

[Viper]

Mixmastershake, good question.


It will obviously make the pleas of Lieberman and Jack Thompson much louder. I think it will push the legislative drive to criminalize the under age sale of M rated games.

[Mixmastershake]

Wow, great sentence.
yea my teachers always bitched at me for that

[Handycrap101]

yea my teachers always bitched at me for that

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Yea I had that problem...In third grade.
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I think the developers will be very cautious in how detailed and gorey they make their games... But I highly doubt we see displays of gore like you detailed above.

[VG Aficionado]

One thing i've been wondering about is what do you guys think an increase in Graphics and realism will do to violent games like Gta and manhunt i mean its one thing to see a guys head explode like a watermelon when u shoot him in the head but if next gen games are supposed to look realistic i mean are developers going to show the guys skull blown off with brain matter dripping off his face violent games are already coming under fire by the fat cats in washington what if violent games become real enough that they just become disturbing.I can't believe you didn't use a single comma or dot or interrogation mark or anything alike before the final dot. You certainly can do much better than that.

Worry not though, there's a recently deceased Spanish writer who wrote a whole book without a single stop: no commas, no dots, no signs other than words whatsoever. It's quite a nightmare to read it, but he was one of the finest writers available. However, I wholeheartedly suggest you not to imitate that aberration.

On the topic, I'm afraid there will be some hysteria provoked by "extreme realism" of some games. You know, it was already a scandal seeing some sprites executing fatalities on other sprites back to the Mortal Kombat glorious days, so imagine what grandmothers, tabloids and ludicrous cause lawyers will think of Fight Night Round 3 or Killzone PS3.

[casualkiss]

i have thought about this as well and i agree. i have always had a much more emotional response to violent movies than violent videogames... i just don't get that same tingle when a cartoon kills another cartoon.

the good news is that by the time this becomes a serious problem, the democrats will be in power. they are a little less hystirical than our right-wing friends (Hillary Clinton excluded of course)

has anyone seen the pearl-jam video where the old fat guy on the virtual-reality settup is abusing a small virtual child. in the next ten years it will have to be determined if this virtual experiance is a crime.

[Danji]

If some legislation does get put through to prohibit the sale of M-rated games to minors then the rating level will be bad for sales. Mature-type games will be seen as a niche that is small and fills up easy.

Is this good for the industry? Probably..I think I'm exhausted on how everyday I hear about Def Jam fight for NY or GTA or manhunt or some other rated-M game coming out.

I mean, some games just have the rating as a result of their simulation or attempt to simulate a type of scenario. War game, strategy-war game, stealth game..they all have parts where things that are deemed innappropriate for kids happen. There are other games that just get the rating because they are trying to be extreme. An example would be Manhunt.

In any case, it'd sad to see games like Killzone and MGS suffering from legislature passed due to other games problems.

[Helios]

Personally I dont this will ever really escalate to be that big of a problem. Just like most people outside the gaming technosphere are getting used to violent video games, the same will come with more visually 'realistic' games.

Quite honestly I wouldnt be bothered a bit if legislative action was deemed neccesary to criminalize the sale of M rated games to minors. Not that I agree in any way with ole Jack that video games cause violence but even my limited background in psychology tells me its not exactly healthy either.

@casualkiss: Unless the government becomes quite a bit more fanatical I highly doubt that scenario could ever be considered a crime.

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Yea I had that problem...In third grade.
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I think the developers will be very cautious in how detailed and gorey they make their games... But I highly doubt we see displays of gore like you detailed above.

On the contrary there's a new zombie game being released thats quite realistic with its accuracy of anatomy. Granted its still fairly "light & bright" enough that it looks fake. But still.. I dont think those type of displays of gore are exactly out of tuch with reality. Take RE:4 for example which is graphically impressive enough. I dont think it would be a stretch to say that in RE:5 or 6 you could be seeing grey matter after you blow through a zombie's head, or just seeing part of it hanging by neck tendons.

But then those are zombie games, if anything its inevitable they reach that type of realism. It just might not be that way with any other game.

If some legislation does get put through to prohibit the sale of M-rated games to minors then the rating level will be bad for sales. Mature-type games will be seen as a niche that is small and fills up easy.


How would that ever be possible? Plenty of surveys and reports indicate that less than 20% of game sales are contributed by the 18 & under age group.

This is not an AO rating here, the reason you dont see many AO rated or sold games is because they're mostly porn oriented games anyway. Even if legislation was passed you would still see M rated games on retailer shelves, so you would still have 80%+ of the population to shoot for. Its not exactly a "huge" loss.

[Danji]

Though, 20% is not huge, it is quite substantial.

[Helios]

But its still not nearly enough to push M rated titles into a niche market, or even effect companies a great deal. You still see R rated flicks sell out in theatres, same here. It just wouldnt be that big of a deal, thats all im sayin.

[masonite]

i think restrictions similar to those placed on movies would not necessarily be a bad thing for games.
Here in australia, we have a series of basic movie restrictions: G (children, basically any age), PG(8+,reccomended parental guidance) M (reccomended 15+) MA(15+ only) and R (18+ only). however with games, we only have G, PG, M and MA, and basically all are avaliable to people of any age.
If game ratings were restricted, and enforced, not only could games be made more graphic, but perhaps an R rating could be implemented - a godsend for us australians (or at least us 18+ australians :cheers: ) which would mean games would no longer simply not make it into australia as they were "unrestricted" (unable to fit any of the game categories).
The only possible problem with this system is that games sales could possibly decrease - due to no more minors buying MA games. But on the other hand, game developers could intentionally tone down the "adult" aspects of the game if they wanted to reach a wider audience, just like what they do now with movies. violent games or games with adult content would still be snapped up by older gamers.

[O.D.S]

violent games or games with adult content would still be snapped up by older gamers.
I reckon games with such content would sell like hotcakes simply because they contain the adult material.
- remember kids...sex sells

[L3XO]

i think game developers will purposley make things like headshots less realistic in order for it to be less disturbing. Otherwise, theres no doubt about it, game rating will go up. I myself have never found anything disturbing about GTA, Counter strike, MGS etc, but i for one, would definately NEVER want to see that in real life, because its enough to freak anyone out.

the fact is though, whats real is real and whats fake is fake. Ive seen many movies with people getting shot in the head, and i really dont care, and movies are much more advanced in graphics than PS3 will be. So in my opinion, i dont think it will be a huge deal, because you know its fake, but if it were real life it would be a diff story.

[Generic Wheaties]

Great question MixMasterShake. I was wondering this too. Hopfully some developer doesn't come out with ultra-realistic injuries (coughcoughrockstarcough). But on the flip side more things like blood would be good for that immersion factor.

[Crossbar]

To real for whom? At least for children Sony seems to think,

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12465

Good move IMO.

[Domination]

One thing i've been wondering about is what do you guys think an increase in Graphics and realism will do to violent games like Gta and manhunt i mean its one thing to see a guys head explode like a watermelon when u shoot him in the head but if next gen games are supposed to look realistic i mean are developers going to show the guys skull blown off with brain matter dripping off his face violent games are already coming under fire by the fat cats in washington what if violent games become real enough that they just become disturbing.

I guess the more sensible question to ask would be, how did we go from games like Pong or Pac-Man to games like Doom or GTA?

The answer is simple, but first let me use an example: let's say you collected a dollar everyday. I'm sure you wouldn't be near as enthused to the point where you would make it out as a big deal. But let's say you saw that amount over an extended period or rather in one lump sum. I'm quite sure it'll be a big deal to you then.

Well that is how things have been all along. It is being spooned to you in small portions to where it doesn't seem too outrageous before you began thinking of it as kewl moments after. Do you remember PONG and Pac-Man? That was bait. Right now you have already become a subject without ever noticing it. You have gradually became accustomed to the violent nature of our society. You can bet your bottom that it won't stop here, but that's what morals is for. :wave:

[CrumCon]

Realism is not only visual or graphics.

How about how the charatcer moves? how trees trees behaves?
How about anything that moves? realism is beyond anything.

We're not there yet, not even close

[Generic Wheaties]

To real for whom? At least for children Sony seems to think,

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12465

Good move IMO.

See this is why I love Sony! Let's face it, parents don't know what their buying for their kids and they just wanna get in and out of the shop. This way as soon as a parent buys the console they'll set it so they're say 9-year-old kid can't play games rated TEEN, MATURE, or ADULT.

Make a thread on that link. Now.

[mightymatt101]

i say the more realism the better i can't wait for the next GTA or manhunt it's time to shoot some people and cut off some heads!!!!!!!!

[Coded-Dude]

well, we all know that on occasion "KEEPIN IT REAL" can and will go very wrong. But I agree that the general consensus is: "REALISM IS GOOD!" That is all......

[rpgamer_2k5]

As one said earlier, realism depends on the developer. We're not going to see that many realistic RPGs for example. Many will stay basic but be highly interactive along with very vast environments. RPGs akin to Dragon Warrior VIII will be showing up on a Playstation 3 near you. On the other hand, other RPGs like Final Fantasy, Grandia or non-RPGs such as Devil May Cry, MGS4, and what-not, will be extremely realistic.

Nothing wrong, with realism. I just hope we can see a 2D Castlevania on the next-gen consoles. :)

[Z]

this is why horror games are what I am excited about the most next gen; the gore. seeing how good blood drops look flying around in pics from Condemned when you slam someone's head is exciting. and this is only the beginning. I can't wait to see what the freaks at Silent Hill do!

[Mixmastershake]

hell yea man silent hill on ps3 would look freakin sick.

[Crossbar]

Parental control will most certainly be a good thing. I hope they will set an age limit of 21 years for the most violent games, at least locally in Bakersfield California. 8-)

[L3XO]

Ok, im closing this topic, its getting out of hand.

Closed.

EDIT: I forgot i wasnt admin :(

[Viper]

First and final warning. Behave yourselves.

[stanDarsh]

Okay after much pruning of this thread, it can now be reopened, keep it civil and on topic, or it will be locked for good!

[mightymatt101]

Alright you guys win i won't mess around!!!

[Z]

that is another reason why I can't wait to see horror games on PS3; the extra realism. of course, by 'realism' I don't mean life-like imagery. but much better effects than current gen. so in tearms it will be 'better realism'.

since PS3 will have superior lighting capability, we will see- for the first time- 'dark' as real dark. the Silent Hill team said they wanted to experiment with light and shadows. games like Fatal Frame will look much creepier when you struggle to see if there is a freak ahead of you or not. is that a monster or just a curtain blowing in the wind? did I just see something or is it just me?
these are some of the things you can do with better lighting, sound, visuals, etc. and PS3 will have the best tech to give you the best results. SH will be specifically tailored for the most powerful hardware, PS3. seeing the very impressive Alone in the Dark pics, I can't wait for the SH team's first glimps!