PS3 Vs Xbox 360: "Two Armored Core Trailers" (56K Warning)

[Nerve-Damage]

Two Armored Core trailers allow us to compare the next generation of gaming. (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/662/662656p1.html)

So which one is better? :smoke:

Poll coming up!! :rockon:

PS3 Trailer: (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761163/vids_1.html)

Xbox 360 Trailer: (http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/772/772076/vids_1.html)

October 29, 2005 - First there was Genesis versus SNES versus Turbo Grafx. Then came Saturn versus PlayStation versus N64, followed a few years later by PS2 versus Xbox versus GameCube. And now, we're gearing up for the most intense fight yet: Xbox 360 versus PS3.

As hardcore gaming types, we all love to scrutinize screenshots and movies of multiplatform titles in order to determine which system has superior capabilities. Many a flame war was fought, and many innocent lives lost, over the likes of Street Fighter II Genesis versus SNES, Tomb Raider PlayStation versus Saturn and, most recently, Resident Evil 4 PS2 versus GameCube.

And now, we at last have our first chance at taking the battle to the next generation. From Software is in the process of bringing Armored Core 4 to both the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, and has released a pair of trailers, each said to be running on one of the machines. The PS3 trailer was first shown at the PS Meeting where the game was known as Project Force, but now we have a direct feed version. Likewise for the Xbox 360 trailer, which debuted at the Tokyo Game Show but is now available for the first time in direct feed form.

The PS3 trailer can be downloaded at the PS3 version's media page, with the the Xbox 360 version available at the X360 version's media page.

We encourage the inquiring gamer to download the high res versions of both trailers, view them each 100 times at a maximum viewing distance of five inches, come to an unwavering opinion about which one is superior, then isolate yourself with a fellow gamer who's well versed in polygon counts, lighting effects and frame rates but happens to believe the other trailer is superior, and start beating the crap out of one another (with words).

EDIT:
PS3 HD Feed. (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2168)

Xbox 360 HD Feed. (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2168)

[Viper]

Going by the trailers, the PS3 was far better. The lighting scheme was simply superior to the 360 trailer which seemed very monochromatic and very little shading.

[speed stick]

I could not see any difference myself. Its tough to tell on a small video like that, we are going to need to see them on the big screen to make a fair comparasin.

[Nerve-Damage]

Going by the trailers, the PS3 was far better. The lighting scheme was simply superior to the 360 trailer which seemed very monochromatic and very little shading.

I was thinking the same thing!! However, I like the Xbox 360 game presentation a little bit better. Anyhow, as it stands the PS3 version looks quite better.

[Nerve-Damage]

Here you guys go!! :yum:

PS3 HD Feed. (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2168)

Xbox 360 HD Feed. (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2168)

I hope this helps!!

EDIT: You guys are better off using the original IGN trailer links, it seems the gametrailers.com HD-Footage is the same footage in both PS3 & Xbox 360 section. :shrug:

[sif]

ps3 one easily, the range of lighting is just better, comfortably. Although the 360 one has more going on, the smoke effects and heat haze are also better on the PS3 one.

[speed stick]

Sweet, thx. Its gonna be a while before I finish downloading those files because of my lite speed internet. Now I hope I will be able to see a difference a lot better then before.

[Kb-smoker]

it's funny we got a ps3 version on alpha hardware and xbox 360 on beta/final hardware. AND the ps3 version looks better... lol

[woundingchaney]

Well I was sincerely hoping to stay away from this nonsense but I was pulled in by the tractor beam of competition.

Is it just me or does the 360 version resemble something that we might actually see in game here??????????

I honestly cant say but if your just comparing game trailer to game trailer than the PS3 wins. However I seriously doubt that we are going to be playing the PS3 trailer (and parts of the 360 trailer as well).

[Infernal]

Is it just me or does the 360 version resemble something that we might actually see in game here??????????
Well actually I thought quite the opposite, the 360 version looks like a tech demo and the PS3 version looks more like a battle scene that would actually be in game. Would be nice if we had two of the same trailers though and not entirely different scenes to compare, but this is the best comparison so far I guess. And yes I thought the PS3 looked far better, looked to me like the were 0 effects in the 360 version. I think that might just be because of different game circumstances though.

[woundingchaney]

Well actually I thought quite the opposite, the 360 version looks like a tech demo and the PS3 version looks more like a battle scene that would actually be in game. Would be nice if we had two of the same trailers though and not entirely different scenes to compare, but this is the best comparison so far I guess. And yes I thought the PS3 looked far better, looked to me like the were 0 effects in the 360 version. I think that might just be because of different game circumstances though.



Hang now the links provided by nerve damage are not the same links that we see in the page provided by topic starter. (Very sneaky nerve damage :yum: )


What basically you have is the same pre rendered footage composed for the two different consoles.

I really see very little noticeable difference in teh two versions here. Although upon closer inspection the Ps3 does seem to have the superior lighting, but I really like the effects in the 360 version as well. I dont think there is any technical difference that is worth mentioning outside of my own opinions.

I think it is safe to say that those trailers are not what we are going to be playing when the game is released (and most likely nothing close to that either).


Edit: Apparently I have no idea what I am doing here because Ive looked at every damn trailier imaginable. And I finally found the two Nerve did have linked so myu apologies Nerve. :cheers:

[Handycrap101]

It's really hard to tell between the 2 but if you compare based simply on graphics then I would say the PS3 version because of the level of detail and like many of you mentioned... the lighting.

[woundingchaney]

Yeah we are going to need comparison shots.

[TEEDA]

Well technically i found the PS3 version better but the setting of the scene is during the night and not the day .
Geometrically it looks like the X360 version is better , but the textures of the PS3 version looks good too and more detailed , talking about the special effetcs i found the smoke effect on both versions equal.

But i prefer the colours of the PS3 version.

[Z]

I think it is safe to say that those trailers are not what we are going to be playing when the game is released (and most likely nothing close to that either).
well, that is the only thing we got. also, don't you think if a trailer looked better than another that in final two games that one will still look better than the other, all things considered?

personally, I don't expect such multies to have much difference at such an early stage. let see how they stack up a year or so from now.

[Domination]

Well technically i found the PS3 version better but the setting of the scene is during the night and not the day .
Geometrically it looks like the X360 version is better , but the textures of the PS3 version looks good too and more detailed , talking about the special effetcs i found the smoke effect on both versions equal.

But i prefer the colours of the PS3 version.

I have to agree. I'm actually digging the more daytime look than the dark look: it looks more like Onimusha 3. I'm not sure if it has more to do with what is being shown off or what, but even though I don't see as many reflections on the armor in the 360 version, I kinda prefer it over the PS3 version based on these two demos alone.

[The_One]

From the trailer(s), I'd say the Xbox 360 is looking far better. Not only are there multiple mech in one scene, but they're all shooting and doing something. Too bad the resolution is too low to actually see the details. Oh well.

EDIT: My bad! Didn't notice the HD Feeds! XD

[sif]

You think the actual games will be different in terms of stuff going on? The ps3 one is probably scaled back in terms of "stuff" (technical, I know), because it would have a lower frame rate on an incomplete SDK. The effects will prob stay the same. With the final PS3 kit optimized, the no of NPC's and explosions etc will match the 360 one, whilst retaining the better lighting and effects.

[TEEDA]

i took some screencaps from the PS3 version from another better quality trailer (these are not official screens):

PS3 Armored Core 4
http://x11.putfile.com/10/30116042423.jpg
http://x11.putfile.com/10/30116030346.jpg
http://x11.putfile.com/10/30115570219.jpg
http://x11.putfile.com/10/30115590120.jpg


Xbox 360 trailer screens
http://www.playfrance.com/images/ps3/438,47924/zoom/2070.jpg
http://www.playfrance.com/images/ps3/438,47924/zoom/6142.jpg
http://www.playfrance.com/images/ps3/438,47924/zoom/5515.jpg

that's all i could find.

[The_One]

From the screens themselves, the Xbox 360 version definately looks better because it's sharper, here's some high-res PS3 version screens:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/635/635514/project-force-20050721063938346.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/635/635514/project-force-20050721063933768.jpg

[sif]

Those shots are from the PS meeting (they are from Project force, as opposed to AC4), before the game had a texture and effects "makeover". On gametrailers, check out the difference between TGS and the PS meeting vids. Its pretty big

[Garfunkel]

and also it is on an ALPHA kit!

[woundingchaney]

Is the same programming team doing both builds of the game????? Or is it just both titles are from the same house.

[Domination]

Is the same programming team doing both builds of the game????? Or is it just both titles are from the same house.

I'm thinking the two are only from the same house. Microsoft is launching before Sony.

[woundingchaney]

I'm thinking the two are only from the same house. Microsoft is launching before Sony.


You know for some reason I was under the impression that the Sony game has been in development longer than the MS version????

Maybe I can dig up a link, but of course if MS is releasing first than I may be wrong.

[woundingchaney]

You think the actual games will be different in terms of stuff going on? The ps3 one is probably scaled back in terms of "stuff" (technical, I know), because it would have a lower frame rate on an incomplete SDK. The effects will prob stay the same. With the final PS3 kit optimized, the no of NPC's and explosions etc will match the 360 one, whilst retaining the better lighting and effects.


Well both games started on alpha kits and built from there, I dont really think any comparison right now is going to give us an indication of how the two games turn out (outside of them both being remarkably similar).

I cant point a finger at one and say its better than the other its just entirely too close of a graphical presentation, but this game has definetely peaked my interests, I may have to consider it over Chrome Hounds.

[O.D.S]

it's funny we got a ps3 version on alpha hardware and xbox 360 on beta/final hardware. AND the ps3 version looks better... lol
Do we have to say any more? - very good point Kb-smoker :spiral:

[TEEDA]

I remember an interview where a koei developper said that they were doing both versions differently to benefit from both X360 and PS3 hardware.
Even if these are the same games , there ' s going to be more or less improvment depending on each hardware .
I can't really see a conversion PS3>>><<<<Xbox360 game because of the two different architecture if i remember some articles.Sso they have to build the game from the beginning to the end without making a conversion .
As for the PS3 version i m sure they will improve the graphics anf maybe had some more features.
We could see true playable games Next January/february by that time all developpers should have the final kits.
And again i' m not sure , but multiplatform games will have some differences in the years to come.

[Illmatic]

I think they pretty much look the same at this stage. I find it funny IGN are even comparing the two. Both versions are very early builds, the X360 trailers had an extra 2 months work (PS3 Trailer PS Meeting July vs TGS Sep). They're both set at different times of day also.

[CrumCon]

We cant compare them right now, to me PS3 video looks worser then xbox version video. not good quality video to compare them.

Anyway we cant compare the lightning etc etc, i want to see videos from the same level, then you judge which versions has more things going such as lihgtnings etc etc

on these videos.. ps3 version shown in a dark level, while xbox360 in a brightday level

[rpgamer_2k5]

It's an unfair comparison, period. Only a small number of SDKs were out, and it doesn't appear that the Armored Core team recieved their kits early. MS kits were available for a good amount of time, so they had plenty of time to play with the Xbox 360. Since this game doesn't match the standards of the pretty demos, it's likely that this game is very backward. ;)

[Red_Eyes]

Until they show us two videos of the same place and with the same things happening, each running on each console, we'll have no real way to compare them.

[cliffbo]

surely another option should be added to the poll such as Not Sure or Don`t Know as it is`nt really possible to tell which is better as the ps3 seems more like intro than game and the xbox360 looks more game-like judging two different trailers like this is very difficult and only serves to create more arguments which will be pointless. why not wait for the release of the same footage running on both machines in playable form. :-)

[Ducey]

Indeed, from those screens, X360 looks sharper, where the PS3 looks more... natural I guess.

I'd need to see them in motion but can't as I can only use the net at my course at the moment :P

[speed stick]

Are these 2 games going to be the same? I mean the game itself, not the graphics.

[woundingchaney]

Are these 2 games going to be the same? I mean the game itself, not the graphics.


Yes I believe, two different builds, same game.

[Danji]

I'm surprised nobody noted this. The PS3 version obviously has HDR rendering when the 360 doesn't. That's what makes them look so drastically different.

Doesn't anyone know if MS has said that Xenos is capable of HDR rendering?(128-bit lighting that is) If it isn't then that alone will make PS3 games look a lot different from the 360 counterparts.

[Viper]

As one noted that the PS3 trailer was a darker stage over the 'birthday' bright X360 version, this is where HDR would be most visible in determining a difference between them.


If the stage is bright, shadows would be that much more harsh and dark. In the X360 trailer, they are not....if fact, shading seems little used. The PS3 version shows a much more vibrant lighting scheme that ranges from the incredible brights and deep darks on screen at once which is the point of HDR lighting.

I don't need to see the same level to tell that the PS3 version based on the trailers is the better looking version of the two.

[Red_Eyes]

I'm surprised nobody noted this. The PS3 version obviously has HDR rendering when the 360 doesn't. That's what makes them look so drastically different.

Doesn't anyone know if MS has said that Xenos is capable of HDR rendering?(128-bit lighting that is) If it isn't then that alone will make PS3 games look a lot different from the 360 counterparts.

I remembered reading somewhere that Xbox 360 isn't capable of 128-bit lighting.
PS3, on the otherhand, is. That is why PS3 games have better lighting than Xbox 360.

[Nerve-Damage]

I remembered reading somewhere that Xbox 360 isn't capable of 128-bit lighting.
PS3, on the otherhand, is. That is why PS3 games have better lighting than Xbox 360.

If I'm not mistaken the Xbox 360 has 24-bit, 32-bit, and possibily 64-bit HDR rendering capabilities. However, the PS3 is the only next-generation system able to handle 128-bit HDR rendering.

Edit: Xbox 360 only has 32-bit HDR rendering.

[Viper]

If I'm not mistaken the Xbox 360 has 24-bit, 32-bit, and possibly 64-bit HDR rendering capabilities. However, the PS3 is the only next-generation system able to handle 128-bit HDR rendering.
That we know of so far.

[PhYmon]

The pics of the 360 look indeed pretty sharp, thats the beautiful thing of the x360.

[stanDarsh]

Well both games started on alpha kits and built from there, I dont really think any comparison right now is going to give us an indication of how the two games turn out (outside of them both being remarkably similar).

I cant point a finger at one and say its better than the other its just entirely too close of a graphical presentation, but this game has definetely peaked my interests, I may have to consider it over Chrome Hounds.

Couldnt have said it better! It is too early to consider which is better gameplay wise or graphically. Let us wait until both games are released and then nitpick.

[n1n9tean]

dam...I wish this wouldve been a more mysterious comparison like the recent one posted on Joystiq (the one I just made the thread for). It's too bad because, let's be honest, half of us are going to pick the PS3 version because it truly has more detail BUT the other half will decide based on their loyalty to PS3 alone. I wanted to trip a few people up.

what---evvaer :ghey:

[rpgamer_2k5]

Sony fans are not that large in numbers, versus the other consoles. Heck, I'm seen as a Sony fan, yet I hate their televisions and mp3 players. Add to that, I would certainly not purchase the PS3 if had no games. Nor is this game on my radar... My point is half of the PS2 owners, purchased the systems because it has great games. Whether I use the Scarborough or Toronto populace as a 'sample', it remains the same. ;)

Besides, power seems to be a Sony thing next-generation. This is from the statements we hear (along with MS's stance), it doesn't seem that unlikely anymore. Sony never had power on their side, before, except for the PSP, so lets just welcome this change. :)

[Infernal]

It's too bad because, let's be honest, half of us are going to pick the PS3 version because it truly has more detail BUT the other half will decide based on their loyalty to PS3 alone.
Next time something like this comes up, someone should switch the videos, to trick people into thinking the PS3 one is the 360 one and the 360 one is the PS3 one, then we will see who is just going by loyalty.

[CrumCon]

Next time something like this comes up, someone should switch the videos, to trick people into thinking the PS3 one is the 360 one and the 360 one is the PS3 one, then we will see who is just going by loyalty.

LOL i will make a poll base on that someday, but to be honest both videos looks great. although m pretty sure PS2 version are built using one of the earliest SDK beta kit.

[WolfWooD]

Well i can se windows smashing when they fire at the buildings in the Ps3 trailer, but havent noticed that detail in the 360 version, or is it just me that got fucked up eyes ?

[Bombardier]

If the movies' content were exactly the same, then an accurate comparison could be made.

However, the scenes in both clips are completely different. For this reason, a judgement on which version is "better" can't be made.

[Danji]

I think what they omit from the 360 one is done because it would make it look bad. To clarify what I mean is that the PS3 version will have more poly's and more calculations possible allowing for full building destruction. The 360 version has uber particle effects and a much better program at this point for missiles. If they were to show a video of it, more people would notice the problem with the lighting and building destruction than would notice the particle effects and the more sophisticated missile program.

The director of this said he was not "interested in making the same game for both (the 360 and the PS3)." and that's because they have such drastically different...everything.

[Bombardier]

I think what they omit from the 360 one is done because it would make it look bad. To clarify what I mean is that the PS3 version will have more poly's and more calculations possible allowing for full building destruction. The 360 version has uber particle effects and a much better program at this point for missiles. If they were to show a video of it, more people would notice the problem with the lighting and building destruction than would notice the particle effects and the more sophisticated missile program.

The director of this said he was not "interested in making the same game for both (the 360 and the PS3)." and that's because they have such drastically different...everything.
At this point, we really have no proof of anything, though.

This is what I hate about stuff like this. There are no solid facts. Everything is just wild speculation...

[woundingchaney]

At this point, we really have no proof of anything, though.

This is what I hate about stuff like this. There are no solid facts. Everything is just wild speculation...


Excellent statement.

[Infernal]

At this point, we really have no proof of anything, though.

This is what I hate about stuff like this. There are no solid facts. Everything is just wild speculation...
I know what you mean, but that is kind of the entire point of the PS3 forum...

[Viper]

In my opinion, the trailer that represents the PS3 has better graphics.

Comparing them is simple so long as you remove the unnecessary factors that are being brought up. The question is not which one will better when complete but which trailer looks better right now....now, not next month but now.

When you lose grasp of the context, you lose focus of the question at hand.

[Ducey]

I've got a PS3 AC4 trailer, and it looks uber pretty, haven't seen an xbox360 trailer yet though so I'm holding back on my judgement... barely

[Z]

for the one saying 'loyalty' will play a factor in this discussion: I don't really agree since such people are scarce. most people will buy a system depending on many things. for example; many will buy a PS3 no matter what, even if it was the weakest or most expensive for one simple reason: to continue playing the games and franchises they love. I am one of those. I simply can not pass up the next Tekken, MGS, AC and many many others. if they jump to other systems you can bet I am jumping behind them in a blink. I am also this close on deciding to get a Rev simply for the controller alone. I am only waitng for it to be proven. and that will only let me get it faster or delay it a bit. just like with the EyeToy, I would have bought it if there is only one game for it. I just love new and quirky things like these. I will get an X2 if it wins me over. Riddick and Doom3 did that for me in the case of Box. and so on.

this is a simple thread that discusses a difference between two videos- nothing more.
it shouldn't be taken seriously. just call the shots as you see them. ;)

[Viper]

Well, I own neither a PS2 or Xbox so preconceived notions and loyalty play no part in my analysis. As for the question as to which version looks better in the two trailers, the PS3...hands down.

[Z]

by the way, PS3 is possibly the only system that can handle 128 bit lighting. this is why nVidia was boasting about this particualr capability. for that, I doubt even Rev will support that high. this should explain why PS3 games should have better lighting.

[jjokcca]

Is this pre-render demo or actual game screen?
also nVidia is better on 3d model, but if you are looking for 2d ATI is way to go

[Viper]

Both in game and whee do you get the 2D/3D thing from?

[woundingchaney]

for the one saying 'loyalty' will play a factor in this discussion: I don't really agree since such people are scarce. most people will buy a system depending on many things. for example; many will buy a PS3 no matter what, even if it was the weakest or most expensive for one simple reason: to continue playing the games and franchises they love. I am one of those. I simply can not pass up the next Tekken, MGS, AC and many many others. if they jump to other systems you can bet I am jumping behind them in a blink. I am also this close on deciding to get a Rev simply for the controller alone. I am only waitng for it to be proven. and that will only let me get it faster or delay it a bit. just like with the EyeToy, I would have bought it if there is only one game for it. I just love new and quirky things like these. I will get an X2 if it wins me over. Riddick and Doom3 did that for me in the case of Box. and so on.

this is a simple thread that discusses a difference between two videos- nothing more.
it shouldn't be taken seriously. just call the shots as you see them. ;)


Yes these people are scarce in the world, however, you find them in abundance on the internet.;-]

[Infernal]

for the one saying 'loyalty' will play a factor in this discussion: I don't really agree since such people are scarce. most people will buy a system depending on many things. for example; many will buy a PS3 no matter what, even if it was the weakest or most expensive for one simple reason: to continue playing the games and franchises they love. I am one of those. I simply can not pass up the next Tekken, MGS, AC and many many others. if they jump to other systems you can bet I am jumping behind them in a blink. I am also this close on deciding to get a Rev simply for the controller alone. I am only waitng for it to be proven. and that will only let me get it faster or delay it a bit. just like with the EyeToy, I would have bought it if there is only one game for it. I just love new and quirky things like these. I will get an X2 if it wins me over. Riddick and Doom3 did that for me in the case of Box. and so on.

this is a simple thread that discusses a difference between two videos- nothing more.
it shouldn't be taken seriously. just call the shots as you see them. ;)
I think you underestimate the stupidity of people on the internet. I would be willing to bet that if I posted links to two of the exact same videos, that were at different websites, and one was slighty larger for some reason. Then I said one link was the 360 version, and one was the PS3 version and told people to vote. I would say that not even half would say the videos look exactly alike.

[Z]

switching videos is a fun way to pointing out these 'blind' posters. lol
and the reason you find them in abundance online is because this is some of the very few places thay can express themsleves. but even so, compare them to the rest of the members in any site/forum and you'll find they are a minority. some may indulge in similar behaviour for pure amusement. taking stabs at the right time and the right place results in a hilarious conversation ;)

[Nodieza]

I think it's too early to tell.... but I think they both look sweet but I agree with Danji with the poly count and destructable env. and others about the Ps3 lighting being better. The only thing that seems strange is the 360 version didn't have destructable env. at least not to the level the ps3 trailer did.... yeah. Peace all!

[Danji]

I agree that it's too early to compare the consoles based on the videos but we can compare what they PLAN to do on each. It's nice that you agree nodieza.

I would love to compare the two games when they come out for the site/forum though since detailing the problems with games graphically/technically is something that I love doing. Then again, people could probably tell from my post in the "HD-DVD OMFG" thread.

On a side note, Nodieza is my "brother in arms" sorta.

[Hal Obayashi]

Why fret at comparison? Despite many saying that a comparison between the 32-bit Game Boy Advance and the 32-bit Playstation would be illicit, their warnings never stopped me from doing just that. Simply because it doesn't seem fair, correct or good-natured to point out early advantages and disadvantages to both platforms, someone out there will do so--that is the beauty behind the Internet.

I could be posting naked right now, and unless I said something leading to your assumption of that, none would know--that my friends, that is why the world, including the gaming industry, is heading towards Apocalypse. Yet in spite of the Internet's assorted transgressions, it is an addiction we cannot refrain from satisfying. Every day, there are less true gamers and more popular culture gamers. For instance, those whom watch MTV and make reader reviews on IGN saying "this game is the RoXXXXor!!! GET IT!!!"

[Z]

put some pants on damn it!

I suddenly know when appocalyps will be: when the HDIP camer is released. imagine all the horrer you'll see on it. the deepest, darkest, ugliest secrets revieled!
yup, the world is doomed. thanks alot Sony. and I was looking forward to buying a house on Mars.

[Danji]

House on mars? You've gotta be kidding..I'm waiting for PS9 ^_^

[Z]

you can bring it (or should I say 'teleport' it) to my place on Mars. we'll play the Martians! they say thouse freaks are pritty good with all 17 fingures. just don't call them E.T. they're a bit sensitive...

[Nodieza]

Ps 10 will be better than 9, because it'll be ten-eyer...er.... Danji always makes me cry.... ^.^ "Ps10, only available on Jupiter" Sorry guys, Marz is going down, pwnzorzd to the m@xzorz!... oh how sad....

[Viper]

Somehow, the Sega Saturn makes a return.

[Ducey]

I hate pop-culture gamers with a vehemence previously reserved for poisonous insects and women drivers.