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Domination
10-29-2005, 11:16 PM
In a recent interview with AM2, overall director Makoto Osaki and game director Daichi Katagiri of the upcoming successor to the greatest 3D fighter of our time - VF4:Evolution - stated flatly that online fights would not be a possibility in Virtua Fighter 5.
The reason cited by the team was simply, "it wouldn't be Virtua Fighter". As die-hard VF fans ourselves, we could interpret that the complete and utter necessity for split second and to-the-animation-frame perfect reactions means any possibility of lag would simply be no option.

For those not in the know, Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution is simply the most technically accomplished - in design terms we mean - arcade fighting simulation in existence today, that's more fist and foot chess than button

Although we can support this offline-only reasoning based on our personal experience of the game, Itagaki-San is not so convinced. In an upcoming interview with Kikizo, Itagaki-San confidently suggests that the reason Sega has chosen to not go online with VF5 is simply because it will take revenue away from the arcades, which is where VF makes the bulk of its business, with the series scoring top grossing arcade title in Japanese arcade for two years running. The man has a point.
As for the two new characters, one of them is El Blaze - a masked Mexican wrestler who fights using the kamikaze Luche Libre style that WWE fans may have seen used by 'actors' like Rey Mysterio Jnr. The other is a mysterious girl character who is said to be a cross between Akira - hard karate-influenced style - and Lion - mantis style - and has been spotted in some online videos but none we could find at time of going to press.

The directors also bragged new enhancements to the fighting system. Heaven knows the grappling system needs to be evolved and if the style of El Blaze is any hint - lots of grappling and unusual leaping - there could very well be some hope there.

As for those residing in Japan, you can get your first tumescing experience with VF5 at the "SEGA Private Show Autumn" in the 1st, 4th and 7th of November. Probably somewhere in Japan, usually Tokyo.

Meanwhile, you can browse the Famitsu scans of El Blaze here and here, put up on the interweb by some very naughty folk. Catch 'em before they're taken down.

Source (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=116287)

Heck yeah! http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/armed/punchout.gif Not.

For those not in the know, Virtual Fighter 5 is a title rumored for the PS3. The earliest story was probably IGN (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/661/661575p1.html). Dispite how successful VF is, Sega really needs to get on the ball or they are going to lose it for sure just like before when they were once in the hardware market. Arcades are great, but they shouldn't let that blind them from what the competition could launch.

The_One
10-29-2005, 11:45 PM
Interesting... No online for VF 5 eh? Well, since I'm not a VF fan, it doesn't matter all that much to me, but it's definately a loss for SEGA if their competition are doing it. I mean, two fighting games to date have already been put online; Mortal Kombat and DOA: Ultimate. If SEGA doesn't follow suit, it just might be left behind.

woundingchaney
10-30-2005, 01:10 AM
Interesting... No online for VF 5 eh? Well, since I'm not a VF fan, it doesn't matter all that much to me, but it's definately a loss for SEGA if their competition are doing it. I mean, two fighting games to date have already been put online; Mortal Kombat and DOA: Ultimate. If SEGA doesn't follow suit, it just might be left behind.


I have been a fighting game fan since the early 90s and VF5 is probably my fav 3d fighter, however, with no online play i doubt I will pick it up. Online play makes a fighter better by ten fold. After all its not like my girlfriend is going to let me have the guys over every other night to play video games.

mmilinski
10-30-2005, 05:48 PM
Online mode would be nice, but latency ruins games which require fast response. Sometimes You win because You were 10 ms faster than You opponent. Would You like to be losing all the time just because Your opponent had 10-20 ms advantage in ping ?

Domination
10-30-2005, 06:54 PM
Well, Sony has said little about online, so we'll have to wait and see.

woundingchaney
10-30-2005, 07:10 PM
Online mode would be nice, but latency ruins games which require fast response. Sometimes You win because You were 10 ms faster than You opponent. Would You like to be losing all the time just because Your opponent had 10-20 ms advantage in ping ?


Its not really that big of an issue. As long as your playing someone with a good connection to you. Just about every online game out there lets you know your connection to your opponent. Online play immensly raises the value of any fighting game.

lip2lip
10-30-2005, 08:09 PM
lol online is probably better for rpgs, and probably cannot be left behind for fps, but quite honestly, if my friends do not need me over to play fighters, I may become a shut in.

Domination
10-30-2005, 08:46 PM
lol online is probably better for rpgs, and probably cannot be left behind for fps, but quite honestly, if my friends do not need me over to play fighters, I may become a shut in.

I would have to disagree.

The way I see it, it's kinda like going to a very popular,busy arcade room without having to make the trip there. Constantly going head to head with AI or the same ol guy down the street gets a little monotonous after awhile. You also began to notice patterns, which takes the challenge and replay out of the game. I would recommend online for any game.

NickSCFC
10-30-2005, 08:57 PM
This artical is about the arcade version you idiots. God knows why it's in the PS3 forum, it hasn't even beein announced, the same stupid reason for it being in IGN's 360 section.

Domination
10-30-2005, 09:11 PM
This artical is about the arcade version you idiots. God knows why it's in the PS3 forum, it hasn't even beein announced, the same stupid reason for it being in IGN's 360 section.

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Sega has chosen to not go online with VF5 is simply because it will take revenue away from the arcades, which is where VF makes the bulk of its business, with the series scoring top grossing arcade title in Japanese arcade for two years running.

Arcades don't go online, Nick, nor does it say anywhere in there that its an arcade or only an arcade title. You really need to calm down. http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/tong.gif

D3adcell
10-30-2005, 10:57 PM
Arcades don't go online

I thought I just read not long ago about an online arcade game by sega or something? Also why couldn't they someday be online?

NickSCFC
10-31-2005, 12:06 AM
There's online ranking for arcade games hooked up to broadband. It was rumoured that Sega's new arcade games would have full online play across arcades in Japan. When asked, Yu Suzuki denied this.

Sega have yet to speak about any console version of VF5.

Domination
10-31-2005, 09:26 PM
There's online ranking for arcade games hooked up to broadband. It was rumoured that Sega's new arcade games would have full online play across arcades in Japan. When asked, Yu Suzuki denied this.

Sega have yet to speak about any console version of VF5.

That appears to be new to me, but there is just one problem... If the game is only for the arcade, how will that take away from the arcade - even if it went online? http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/confused2.gif

Z
11-03-2005, 07:01 AM
to point out; Japane does have online arcades. but they are only arcade-centric (means only playble with other arcades in the country).

NickSCFC
11-03-2005, 02:41 PM
It'll be released on PS3 along with VT3 I'm sure.

Z
11-03-2005, 09:06 PM
if any launch titles won't use online when they should, the reson maybe the are short on time. after the release of PS3 and its new online offering, I am sure they will catch up.
to note, some launch titles are targeted to feature online like Final Inertia.

Killing Moon
11-03-2005, 11:26 PM
VF5 not being online is actually a good thing, contrary to bandwagon-jumping popular belief. For a game that depends on split-second timing, not masher friendly casual play, having gameplay through an online connection is one of the worst things that you could do.

Being off even by a frame of timing and alter the course of an entire match, potentially ruining it.

Regardless of what anyone TRIES to say or thinks, every game on broadband connections contains lag. This isn't some sort of FPS or DOA where lag is irrelevant to an extent. This title is best played with your actual competitor right near you, i.e. flawlessly.

woundingchaney
11-04-2005, 12:36 AM
VF5 not being online is actually a good thing, contrary to bandwagon-jumping popular belief. For a game that depends on split-second timing, not masher friendly casual play, having gameplay through an online connection is one of the worst things that you could do.

Being off even by a frame of timing and alter the course of an entire match, potentially ruining it.

Regardless of what anyone TRIES to say or thinks, every game on broadband connections contains lag. This isn't some sort of FPS or DOA where lag is irrelevant to an extent. This title is best played with your actual competitor right near you, i.e. flawlessly.


Thats ridiculous, of course there is somesort of lag in any online game. A fighting game with online capabilities gives the user endless hours of entertainment with people from around the world. The amount of lag you experience can be very slimmed down through the proper joining of rooms. To say that a game that depends on precise movements should not be intended for online gaming is completely untrue. Just about every fps on the market demands quick rapid responses to defeat your opponent yet they flourish from having online options. I cannot see how the same cant be said for fighters.

Z
11-04-2005, 01:14 AM
true. if anyone doesn't want to play online then simply don't. but why deprive those who are itching for a real 3D fighter to fight against the world? they day I get a Tekken, Soul Caliber or Virtua Fighter online is the day I die and live again!