What the heck... [Archive]

Megatron40

11-09-2005, 06:44 PM

OK... just found out today. A friend from church was a distributor here for the 1 man + 1 woman = marraige signs. Supposed to sell them for 2.50 each I think or soemthing along those lines. Don't know too much about it.

Anyway...

They had 3 signs stolen after 2 days, putting a new one out each time one got stolen. Really... what the heck? Childish. Not that elections are totally lovey-dovey anyway, but really. 3 times? I was just happy to hear that in other parts of Texas people were setting out cameras and pressing charges. Whatever though... it's just... lame really. I don't care what side you support what opinion you have or whatever...

Whattodo though right?

Viper

11-09-2005, 07:05 PM

A swift kick in the ass usually clears these things right up.

Sandman

11-09-2005, 07:12 PM

I hate when people steal signs just because they don't agree with what the sign is saying. During the election, I didn't run around stealing John Kerry signs, I just pointed and laughed.

HereticPB

11-10-2005, 12:06 AM

Or a bullet in the ass!

D3adcell

11-10-2005, 12:30 AM

I haven't seen any of those signs. But that law passed saying that only 1 man and 1 woman is a marriage.

Coded-Dude

11-10-2005, 12:33 AM

Omega

11-10-2005, 01:26 AM

Yeah, and this is the definition of HOMOSEXUALITY:
An abomination unto the Lord.

D3adcell

11-10-2005, 02:42 AM

Dude, a man in modern terms is someone with a penis.

Viper

11-10-2005, 02:44 AM

Dude, a man in modern terms is someone with a penis.
At least born with one. You can go through the surgery addadictomy but that don't make you a man.

Mathx

11-10-2005, 03:53 AM

An abomination unto the Lord.

All sin is an abomination to God, that includes being a theif and a liar (1Cor 6:9-11)

kaphwan

11-10-2005, 06:31 AM

Yeah, and this is the definition of HOMOSEXUALITY:
An abomination unto the Lord.

...according to the bible... remember that freedom of religion implies freedom from religion...

The Dude

11-10-2005, 02:32 PM

...according to the bible... remember that freedom of religion implies freedom from religion...

Yes, but freedom of religion does not imply the repression of religion either. All it if means is that you are free to worship were you want when you want, if at all.

Megatron40

11-10-2005, 04:29 PM

Yeah, and this is the definition of MAN:
A direct creation of God. Made in his image to express good nature and bring glory to his creator. Specifically to have a relationship with God as a child to its parent. Created in holiness knowing only what is good until the fall, then gained knowledge of what is contrary to God.

Man as in mankind? Or all man shall... blah blah... or man as in I'm a boy and she's a girl?

Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our dimage, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Use of man as everyone and then he gets specific. That's how I'm seeing it. Or maybe I'm missing the point completely... anyway...

...according to the bible... remember that freedom of religion implies freedom from religion...

Dude's definition included a religious view so Omega answered with a religious view :) . Now if you take religion out of the picture...

Bah... this isn't even on topic really. Oh well... bound to happen I guess. I was just ticked some crackpot kept snagging my friend's signs... I don't care if it was pro gay or pro Nazi (well... maybe) or supporting Hillary Clinton for God knows what... it's just lame. Carry on :P

Coded-Dude

11-10-2005, 04:38 PM

yes indeed Megatron, I can understand your frustration. Anytime someone wants to silence your opinion, it can be considered a form of opression, but hey we are all subject to this(no matter how big or small the opression is)

Omega

11-10-2005, 09:55 PM

All sin is an abomination to God, that includes being a theif and a liar (1Cor 6:9-11)
I was responding to Dude's religiousophical post in the context of homosexuality.

plebben

11-10-2005, 10:49 PM

so lets drink to both of us being abominators then, Omega :D

kaphwan

11-11-2005, 10:42 AM

Yes, but freedom of religion does not imply the repression of religion either. All it if means is that you are free to worship were you want when you want, if at all.

It also means if you don't like who someone is because of your own religion, you have no right to go around calling them an abomination.

I have no problem with someone who has no problem with me.

so lets drink to both of us being abominators then, Omega :D

:p

Mathx

11-11-2005, 03:17 PM

Should Freedomof Religion be considered a Human Right? And should the U.S. and other world leaders condemn other countries that try to seperate Church and State to the highest degree?

http://www.gwhatchet.com/media/paper332/news/2005/11/07/Life/NotSoVeiled.Convictions.Professor.Stands.Up.For.Re ligious.Freedom.In.Turkey-1047362.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.gwhatchet.com

The members successfully blocked Kavakci from taking her oath, and within 11 days of the incident, Kavakci was stripped of her citizenship, banned from political activity until June 2006 and charged with instigating hatred.

What offended the members of Parliament, however, was not her gender. It was her refusal to remove her hijab, or headscarf, which they considered a challenge to Turkish secularism, she said.

The state's westernization policy began as a movement to separate mosque and state, but has become a form "secular fundamentalism,"

"The state intervenes with religion so much so that (secularism) becomes a state religion," Kavakci said. "It's state-created Turkish Islam."

Turkey bans federal employees and public school students up to the university level from wearing a hijab, said Kavakci, who was forced to quit studying medicine at the University of Ankara in 1988 for refusing to take off her hijab.

Secular fundamentalism... both sides of the sword are just as dangerous...

Coded-Dude

11-11-2005, 04:11 PM

again.....censorship is not good. when people are not allowed to exprexss themselves they can do radical things!

The Dude

11-11-2005, 07:05 PM

It also means if you don't like who someone is because of your own religion, you have no right to go around calling them an abomination.

I have no problem with someone who has no problem with me.

Actually I do have the right to call anyone I want an abomination, I don't have the right to physically punish them for it; because that would be a violation of their rights.

kaphwan

11-11-2005, 11:03 PM

Actually I do have the right to call anyone I want an abomination, I don't have the right to physically punish them for it; because that would be a violation of their rights.

The right to prejudice is always a dilemna as by exercising your right you're denying rights to others. But I suppose so long as you don't corner them and yell at them about how they're a sicko or anything extreme like that, it's fine.

So would you argue that killing someone because of their sexuality is a crime?

Secular fundamentalism... both sides of the sword are just as dangerous...

True, it's as bad as a complete theocracy. Just like with fascism/communism, we're always trying to be somewhere in the middle.

The Dude

11-12-2005, 12:28 AM

The right to prejudice is always a dilemna as by exercising your right you're denying rights to others. But I suppose so long as you don't corner them and yell at them about how they're a sicko or anything extreme like that, it's fine.
You put words in my mouth. I'm not defending prejudice, I'm defending freedom of speech that you attacked. You can say anything you want to anyone, regardless of how insensitive/wrong it may be.

So would you argue that killing someone because of their sexuality is a crime?

Absolutelly yes. It is a crime. It is violation of the man's right to life if you kill them (obviously)

Omega

11-12-2005, 12:45 AM

Alot of people here in World Affairs twist your words around to impy shit you're not even saying.

henryhund

11-12-2005, 01:47 AM

Alot of people here in World Affairs twist your words around to impy shit you're not even saying.

It's not just in here, but also in real life.

IEatFriedPikmin

11-12-2005, 06:13 AM

yah. like that one time i asked dork if he really loved me and then everyone accused me of being ghey. :(

kaphwan

11-12-2005, 08:01 AM

You put words in my mouth. I'm not defending prejudice, I'm defending freedom of speech that you attacked. You can say anything you want to anyone, regardless of how insensitive/wrong it may be.

I had misunderstood your point. Sorry about that :)

Megatron40

11-14-2005, 08:18 PM

yah. like that one time i asked dork if he really loved me and then everyone accused me of being ghey. :(

But I thought...

Just kidding Evan :P

Sandman

11-14-2005, 09:45 PM

This was a thread about stealing signs.. I don't recall it being about homosexuality.

Coded-Dude

11-14-2005, 09:47 PM

this thread is about censorship

kaphwan

11-15-2005, 05:50 AM

Stealing signs as a means of censorship?

Coded-Dude

11-15-2005, 04:28 PM

WEll, I highly doubt the signs were stolen to be used elsewhere.......

Somebody made a statement(with a sign); someone saw it and did not like what it said(the sign), so they took it so no one else could read it - censored

kaphwan

11-16-2005, 06:05 AM

In virtually any thread remotely to do with homosexuality, there will be religiously motivated people set to demonise it. Especially if it's off-topic.

And back to topic, is this the first time people have stolen signs they didn't agree with?

Xerxes

12-15-2005, 05:36 AM

All sin is an abomination to God, that includes being a theif and a liar (1Cor 6:9-11)

Looks like we all sin, so we are all abominations then?

Mathx

12-15-2005, 07:11 AM

yea... I guess you could say that we are all abominations deserving death (Rom 6:7) but there's always some way to be redeemed (rom 6:23)