SONY's HOLOGRAM

[version]

http://web.axelero.hu/varga1973/holo.JPG
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=18&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=sony&OS=sony&RS=sony

[xbdestroya]

LOL, unexpected!

Good find Version - I wonder if we'll see this used sometime in the near future, or if it's a technology that for the time being would just be too costly to implement.

[version]

http://intron.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp/tvrsj/7.2/naemura/Shadow-VRSJ.pdf

[Tael]

Amazing! I'd love to see holograms in games.

[Saibo]

http://web.axelero.hu/varga1973/holo.JPG
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=18&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=sony&OS=sony&RS=sony


this is the BIG febuary suprise! the new EYE TOY will have holo gram projection built in! and its going to be bundled with all PS3 :alien: :rotate:

[version]

this is the BIG febuary suprise! the new EYE TOY will have holo gram projection built in! and its going to be bundled with all PS3 :alien: :rotate:

then i will sit down and everyone tooo...

[Coded-Dude]

this is the BIG febuary suprise!
Its november........

[venomv]

Thanks Dude, we all forgot the date.

[Coded-Dude]

jsut pointing out that its not very likely for a company, such as Sony, to announce a HUGE surprise, and then leak the surprise 3 months early.......but if you didn't cath onto that, I forgive you.

[xbdestroya]

It's not a leak, it's a patent, and it just cleared. Anyone that watches for patent new patent issuings can get this information.

Not that I think this is the 'February surprise' or anything.

[Coded-Dude]

Anyone that watches for patent new patent issuings can get this information.
Thats exactly why I don't believe its THE february surprise; becuase if it is, they have basically "leaked" the info via the patent filing, and I just can't see sony doing something like that. I know filing a patent is not leaking news, but it is if the patent is directly related to an upcoming announced surprise.

This is indeed good news, and I hope they are able to use this with the PS3, btu I still hold true to the fact that they have something even BETTER in store for us come feb........

[xbdestroya]

Thats exactly why I don't believe its THE february surprise; becuase if it is, they have basically "leaked" the info via the patent filing, and I just can't see sony doing something like that. I know filing a patent is not leaking news, but it is if the patent is directly related to an upcoming announced surprise.

This is indeed good news, and I hope they are able to use this with the PS3, btu I still hold true to the fact that they have something even BETTER in store for us come feb........

Dude are you telling me that it would be smarter for Sony *not* to patent this idea for fear that it might ruin the Feb surprise? You patent things as soon as you think of them, *that's* the way. :smoke:

I doubt this has anything to do with the February 'surprise' though.

And by the way, did Sony actually say there would be a 'surprise'? I feel that that talk has really caught on, but all I remember is their announcement of an 'event.'

[Coded-Dude]

no no no........I don't honestly think they would have announced a HUGE surprise, and not already have the surprise ready. What if the patent had been rejected? Then the surprise would have been ruined.....no? All I'm saying is; The surprise has nothing to do with THIS patent filing. The surprise might be patent realated, but not this patent. I just can't see sony making such an announcement without already knowing the surprise is a sure thing. Plus this is not that big of a surprise to me.

Whats the time frame between the announcement of a big february surprise and this patent being filed?

Anywho, it should be interesting to see where sony goes with this.(the patent)

[frosty]

I have a question about the patent image. It clearly shows a camera setup wired into some sort of holographic projector. However, a CCD captures a 2 dimensional image. What would be the use of using existing camera technology that captures a 2d image to display a 3d hologram? I could see maybe a flat "floating" screen or something, but you would think sony would go all the way and make it a 3d image being captured as well as reproduced.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Maybe somekind of mirror effect?

[D3adcell]

I also remember they were supposed to be working on something to help the blind see. Like some chip they put in your head or maybe in front of your eye or something. But they also talked about using it for videogames in the future. Any updates on that?

[frosty]

i've heard of that as well, but they said the images are pretty low res and look like they are made up of points of light, kind of like on a led billboard (the old black and white kind)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Oh...
Well beats being blind, right?

[xbdestroya]

no no no........I don't honestly think they would have announced a HUGE surprise, and not already have the surprise ready. What if the patent had been rejected? Then the surprise would have been ruined.....no? All I'm saying is; The surprise has nothing to do with THIS patent filing. The surprise might be patent realated, but not this patent. I just can't see sony making such an announcement without already knowing the surprise is a sure thing. Plus this is not that big of a surprise to me.

Whats the time frame between the announcement of a big february surprise and this patent being filed?

Anywho, it should be interesting to see where sony goes with this.(the patent)


You don't need a patent to do something, so *if* this were at all related to Sony's February event (since I don't know where this surprise talk originated), it wouldn't matter if Sony got or filed a patent or whatever. Likewise whatever the February event would contain as far as surprises, Sony would have to be a fool not to have filed a patent if there's even anything remotely patentable in there.

[Z]

I also remember they were supposed to be working on something to help the blind see. Like some chip they put in your head or maybe in front of your eye or something. But they also talked about using it for videogames in the future. Any updates on that?
it is the Matrix-like device you are talking about. and it only uses ultraviolet rays. no probes, no implants, no nothing!

can anyone say PS9?

[cpiasminc]

I have a question about the patent image. It clearly shows a camera setup wired into some sort of holographic projector. However, a CCD captures a 2 dimensional image. What would be the use of using existing camera technology that captures a 2d image to display a 3d hologram? I could see maybe a flat "floating" screen or something, but you would think sony would go all the way and make it a 3d image being captured as well as reproduced.
Most hologram projection out there is single-viewpoint holography rather than full volumetric projections like you see in the movies. In fact the technology to project volumetric holograms in open space was never even remotely feasible until around 2-3 years ago. The reason the holograms we're used to look as if they're fully 3d is because hologophy essentially parametrizes the light field projection through the source image. Because of the nature of the parametrization, a single viewpoint hologram looks like it covers several angles, but the perspective gets skewed as you move around.

Anyway... all the scary words aside... a hologram is simply the interference pattern between a reference laser and a laser reflected off of the object pictured. Depth information is key in this, but you can recover the depth information using 2 camera sources to get a stereo image (this I think is the most likely). There is also the possiblity that the way light was inherently reflected in the source image could be used to guess the way the diffracted laser might have scattered thereby estimating the effective phase and angle difference, but I've only heard of previous attempts at this sort of thing creating the look of an embossed surface more so than a true 3d object.

There are techniques out there for dynamic holography using TI's DLP/DMD stuff, but it's still pretty low-grade grainy results for the time being. All the same, explain to me what sort of gaming impact an Eyetoy that turns its own images into projected holograms would be? Having a holographic projector by itself, I can sort of see, but then there would basically be no point to any of the 1080p and dual HD screen talk if holograms were a display option, and volume rendering makes more sense than polygons in that context. But even disregarding cost, the idea of projecting a hologram of an image of yourself or your room taken by a camera is kind of pointless. Cost factored in, I think I'd be more interested in buying a house first.

In any case, the likelihood of any game console offering with its own unique mold-breaking display technologies within the next 350,000 years is basically zero.

[Domination]

LOL, unexpected!

Good find Version - I wonder if we'll see this used sometime in the near future, or if it's a technology that for the time being would just be too costly to implement.

PS4? http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/eek5.gif

[Sephiroth_VII]

Sorry cpiasminc, but i think holograms will be avialible within a hundred years.
Just look at how computers, and optics have evolved.

pee-es-nine!!

[Effulgence]

MIT got a chimp to control a robotic arm with "wireless" brain waves (as in no holes drilled into the monkey's skull). Yeah, kinda off topic lol.

I dont think something patented so recently could be massive released, but maybe this is why there are 2 HDMI outputs? I mean, did they really think anyone was going to use 2 1080p tvs?

[Crinx]

I have a question about the patent image. It clearly shows a camera setup wired into some sort of holographic projector. However, a CCD captures a 2 dimensional image. What would be the use of using existing camera technology that captures a 2d image to display a 3d hologram? I could see maybe a flat "floating" screen or something, but you would think sony would go all the way and make it a 3d image being captured as well as reproduced.

I remember reading about a technology that can turn a 2D still image into a 3D picture. Apparently, the computer just guesses what the other dimensions are like based on the 2D image, fills them in, and displays them in 3D.

[venomv]

but if you didn't cath onto that, I forgive you.

I caught on the first time, but the thing is it would be stupid not to patent it. It also doesn't mention the PS3 in the patent at all I think, so it would still suprise the heck outta me if they put something like that with the PS3.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Can you find a link Crinx?
Not that i'm doubting you, i would just like to read some more about it.

[Garfunkel]

I remember reading about a technology that can turn a 2D still image into a 3D picture. Apparently, the computer just guesses what the other dimensions are like based on the 2D image, fills them in, and displays them in 3D.

If that did exist it would still be very primative, inaccurate, use a hell ofa lot of proccessing resouces and be the essance of impracticle (i'm gonna learn to spell one of these days, i swear)

[cpiasminc]

Sorry cpiasminc, but i think holograms will be avialible within a hundred years.
Just look at how computers, and optics have evolved.
I'm not saying holographic displays won't exist. I'm saying they won't come with a game console. The displays will flow into the mainstream as their own product lines first before a game console supports it.

Ultimately, what console manufacturers want is for the console to be a fixture in the standard array of home entertainment appliances. If the unit displays things in its own way separate from the TV (or whatever its future counterpart is), it ends up in its own little world separate from that ubiquitous box that shows you how much everybody loves Raymond.

[version]

hologram with 120 hz? :)

[Sypher]

Holo display isnt that practical in application right now. I could think of some uses for it in certain game, but it I don't think it would add anything other than a "We have this and that" factor.

[Nerve-Damage]

First we have this: (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/668/668053p1.html)

Metal Gear Solid 4 3D

November 18, 2005 - Konami will be offering a new look at the Tokyo Game Show Metal Gear Solid 4 trailer later this year. The company has revealed that the upcoming Metal Gear Acid 2 will include the trailer directly on the game's UMD disk. Apparently, by using the included 3D viewing goggles, you'll be able to get a 3Dish view of the next generation MGS footage.

We have a feeling this will end up being somewhat gimmicky, but we'll of course sample the trailer in 3D and let you know what it's like. MGA2 hits Japan on 12/8.


Next we have this: (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_will_present_ps3_at_ces_2006.php)

Playfuls reports that Sony has decided to acquire the central stand at the Consumer Electronic Show (CES) that will take place in January next year in Las Vegas. However what is special is that the stand will have an area 12,000 sq. feet (aprox 3660 square meters) which is huge. Sony intends to build a special platform in the middle of the expo, on which it will be able to properly boast the company's latest products, including the long-awaited Play Station 3. Howard Stringer, Sony's CEO and Gary Shapiro, the President of the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) will make public apperances during at this stand.

Lastly, we have version "SONY's HOLOGRAM" thread: (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=48954)

http://web.axelero.hu/varga1973/holo.JPG

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=18&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=sony&OS=sony&RS=sony


Conspiracy!?!

The Big Surprise!?!

* Why does MGS: 4 footage suddenly get or need this gimmicky 3D goggle hookup? Is there something Sony & MGS: 4 team aren’t telling us?

* Sony acquires 12,000 sq. feet of space for CES…Can you say IMAX size-like theater screen too be included in all that space!!

* Now this Sony Hologram thing!!

Question: What if this Sony Hologram device could be a new high-end PS3 peripheral?


OK I'm reaching!! :laugh: :laugh:

Or am I? :eek2:

(cue X-File music)

[frosty]

thanks for answering my question cpias, i wasn't considering dual cameras as a way of capturing depth. it didn't mention it in the patent image diagram. if you've seen the videos of cell changing that japanese reporter's face into several different things in real time, i wouldn't be suprised if cell can determine certain 3d aspects of a 2d image. I'm just curious how well it will work, like how sharp the image will be, color, etc. The patent is clearly for a camera type device, that somehow turns a 2d image into a 3d hologram, but what's to stop it from displaying a 3d cgi image where the computer already knows all the depth information it would need to faithfully reproduce a 3d image.

[Effulgence]

You're reaching, but its fun to reach and imagine the possibilities : )

[Saibo]

If that did exist it would still be very primative, inaccurate, use a hell ofa lot of proccessing resouces and be the essance of impracticle (i'm gonna learn to spell one of these days, i swear)

I think "one" post that up at beyond3d. its call Motion Portrait:

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/wbs/2005/08/26/toretama/tt.html

require realone player to watch the clip.

BTW, Dude, i was joking about the hologram being the febuary suprise.

"This technology is called 'Motion Portrait' and developed by Sony-Kihara Research Center that designed Graphics Synthesizer for PS2. It generates realtime (30fps) 3D facial animation from a single 2D picture, and is possible on an ordinary PC"

[Effulgence]

I think "one" post that up at beyond3d. its call Motion Portrait:

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/wbs/2005/08/26/toretama/tt.html

require realone player to watch the clip.

BTW, Dude, i was joking about the hologram being the febuary suprise.

"This technology is called 'Motion Portrait' and developed by Sony-Kihara Research Center that designed Graphics Synthesizer for PS2. It generates realtime (30fps) 3D facial animation from a single 2D picture, and is possible on an ordinary PC"

That program looks amazing. Perhaps it can be used to minimize development costs by modeling a 3d portrait based on only a couple pictures? (think the 3d matrix spin around, but with less cameras)

[version]

i find it by google:

"mattknoff10-01-2003, 01:41 PM
An unknown source by the name of David Martin decided to email the PS3x crew a couple of days ago with some information regarding the PS3. Now, it took us a couple of days to decide whether or not to report it, I’m sorry to say – we were deciding whether it’s genuine or not. To be honest, we don’t have a clue whether it is or not, but we’re reporting it anyway. We’re sceptical, but apparently this guy’s Uncle works for BMW, who had a visit from another guy working for Toshiba, producing a hologram of a car.

Allegedly, this technology will be used in a higher-priced version of the PS3 upon release to project gameplay into a 3D demi-screen. Whilst we think this is hellishly cool, we’re sceptical as to whether the technology will be viable."

[Saibo]

i find it by google:

"mattknoff10-01-2003, 01:41 PM
An unknown source by the name of David Martin decided to email the PS3x crew a couple of days ago with some information regarding the PS3. Now, it took us a couple of days to decide whether or not to report it, I’m sorry to say – we were deciding whether it’s genuine or not. To be honest, we don’t have a clue whether it is or not, but we’re reporting it anyway. We’re sceptical, but apparently this guy’s Uncle works for BMW, who had a visit from another guy working for Toshiba, producing a hologram of a car.

Allegedly, this technology will be used in a higher-priced version of the PS3 upon release to project gameplay into a 3D demi-screen. Whilst we think this is hellishly cool, we’re sceptical as to whether the technology will be viable."


haha, i guess we'll find out in Febuary :bigpimp: I somehow doubt it will make it into the PS3, because wasnt Sony interested in only one version of the PS3, so as to not confuse their consumers? Maybe they are watching how will MS 2 SKU do in the market?

Maybe for the PS4. one step closer to the Holo Deck? :D

[L3XO]

you just cant compare 3d goggles to real holographic projectors. You must understand that 3d goggles are an illusion, 3d holographic projectsors are not. Either way they should be released in a few years or so. only problem is you need a dark room seeing how the Red, Green and Blue lasers have to be able to emit at points in space.

I think Minority Report shows an excellent example of this technology (and yes, its for real, just not in the movie :P)

[KnightRiderX]

i find it by google:

"mattknoff10-01-2003, 01:41 PM
An unknown source by the name of David Martin decided to email the PS3x crew a couple of days ago with some information regarding the PS3. Now, it took us a couple of days to decide whether or not to report it, I’m sorry to say – we were deciding whether it’s genuine or not. To be honest, we don’t have a clue whether it is or not, but we’re reporting it anyway. We’re sceptical, but apparently this guy’s Uncle works for BMW, who had a visit from another guy working for Toshiba, producing a hologram of a car.

Allegedly, this technology will be used in a higher-priced version of the PS3 upon release to project gameplay into a 3D demi-screen. Whilst we think this is hellishly cool, we’re sceptical as to whether the technology will be viable."

what did u google so that i can try it and see any related results that pop up.

[Garfunkel]

me need more money to fund the ps3, if sony keeps this up i'll need to sell my kidney's.

any takers............

[Sephiroth_VII]

Sell them on eBay!

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Using HoloVizio you are able to utilize the following advantages:

* "True" 3D image, visible to naked eye.
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* Continuous horizontal motion parallax

[version]

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[version]

http://www.holografika.com/