Virtua Fighter 5

[onnio]

Wasn't this title comimg to PS3? Anyway, these shot looks great, but I would rather see that in motion.

www.pelaajalehti.com/web/peliuutiset/virtua_fighter_5_valottuu/

you have to add one "w" to the link

[O.D.S]

Are these really from the PS3?..i dont understand the language on the site so im unsure. Still a good find.

Oh and for those lazy people, here's the link until a mod edits onnio's post::spiny:
http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/peliuutiset/virtua_fighter_5_valottuu/

[xbdestroya]

Good find Onnio, and thanks for linking Duga!

I don't think it's been confirmed for PS3 though yet, not that I'm very sure either way.

[CrumCon]

I think thats the Arcade version of the new VF

you could takie a look at the magicbox

[GTShotoKen]

Wow Virtua Fighter 5 is a visual stunner, and that's just the arcade verison.

It is pretty cool to have a first next-gen game surpass the CG interpretation of its characters and environments from the previous generation already!

I can't wait to get my hands on Virtua Fighter 5 because I've been a huge Virtua Fighter fan for a long time now.

Kage-Maru and Jacky Bryant are the way to go!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

YEah that's the new arcade board sega's been working on, the Lindhberg.(sp?)
I'm pretty sure it'll come to playstation 3 though. I'd expect it to anyway.

[Effulgence]

Looks like a super plasticy xbox 1 game :-(

[Domination]

Wasn't this title comimg to PS3? Anyway, these shot looks great, but I would rather see that in motion.

www.pelaajalehti.com/web/peliuutiset/virtua_fighter_5_valottuu/

you have to add one "w" to the link

I saw this a few days ago. Yes, it will be coming to the PS3. However, this is not the PS3 version. It is the arcade version. I'll see if I can find the artical again. But, I think the bad news is it won't be online.

[The_One]

Yeah, I remember that news too. I think they have an article at IGN saying that the producer (What's his name again?) isn't considering putting VF5 online.

[axia777]

That si the Arcade version. I expect WAY more for the PS3 version. It looks like plastic. To shiney and bland textures. The PS3 version will have more polygons, better AA, and higher res textures.

[Domination]

I couldn't find the exact link I was looking for, but I did I some pretty intestesting updates.

No U.S. release -- arcade or console -- has been announced for Virtua Fighter 5 at this point, but there's a good chance the game will make it way to both formats sometime next year. Head over to our media page to check out all the new screens. (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3146445&did=1)

If you look at the character select screen with Brad and Lei Fei, you'll see two fuzzy icons at the top of the screen. One is the internet reception for the unit, while the other is a totally new icon, which has the kanji: . The translation for this kanji is "misenai" or "Inside Store", so obviously the opposite might be -- which would be "misegai", or "Outside Store".

Yes, we're talking about possible online play... (http://games.kikizo.com/news/200511/127_p1.asp)

:eek2: That last line is new.

[axia777]

I couldn't find the exact link I was looking for, but I did I some pretty intestesting updates.





:eek2: That last line is new.

On-Line for VF5 would kick azz!!!! Oh yah, bring it one and all!!! Sweet!! :)

[Nameless]

The charater design is the best design for any fighting game to date...
The level design on DOA 4 is more visually impressive in my opinion.
Also, the characters do have a shiny plastic look, kind of like action figures.

The lack of online support is very disapointing, but perhaps the strategy will change when a console is officially announce for a port of the title.
Until VF 5 is online, DOA4 will be the premiere online fighter. Peace

[axia777]

The charater design is the best design for any fighting game to date...
The level design on DOA 4 is more visually impressive in my opinion.
Also, the characters do have a shiny plastic look, kind of like action figures.

The lack of online support is very disapointing, but perhaps the strategy will change when a console is officially announce for a port of the title.
Until VF 5 is online, DOA4 will be the premiere online fighter. Peace

On-Line you are right. It is very sad that Tekken 5 was not on-line. Maybe the next one will be. Namco better get their shit together. The next Soul Caliber game had better be on-line too.

[venomv]

Soul Caliber online would be awesome, Tekken also.

[axia777]

If they can do it for Mortal Kombat and DOA they can do it for all fighting games. Namco is just LAZY.

[CrumCon]

I'm really concerned about 2D fighting games.. especially Capcom, SNK loves 2D fighting games. i hope they wont disappeared next-gen

[Saibo]

Looks like a super plasticy xbox 1 game :-(

Hey i was going to say that, it suffers from the plastic look :rotate: , look at some of the skin..they look like plastic. Hopefully the PS3 version wont be so shinny..


On-Line for VF5 would kick azz!!!! Oh yah, bring it one and all!!! Sweet!! :)


Indeed, perpare to get TKO by me :D that goes for you to Z!!

[GUNDAMSEED]

you guys are don't seem to understand DOA is crap is so much crap it not even a arcade game . Any one that plays fighting games know this . I can see why it's not online why would namco or sega kill 2 of there cash cows by making it online. I don't like it but that the truth .

DOA is watse of a game if that was going arcade no one would put money in that button smasher .

[julps31]

I agree. I expect much better on the PS3 fighters. These characters are a little to cartoony and colorful. They need to tone down the sheen and add a lil grittyness to them. Otherwise the models have a hi-poly look to them. AI can't wait to see what Tekken 6 will look like either.

[Saibo]

you guys are don't seem to understand DOA is crap is so much crap it not even a arcade game . Any one that plays fighting games know this . I can see why it's not online why would namco or sega kill 2 of there cash cows by making it online. I don't like it but that the truth .

DOA is watse of a game if that was going arcade no one would put money in that button smasher .


I agree that DOA is crap, i;ve play DOA since the Dreamcast version, really nothing much as change, there just milking it for money, its really the same rehash crap. However no on mention DOA in this thread?...

Now VF5, thats a different story for me at least..i havent play a VF game in ages..so VF5 + online = me buying it!! And being a fan of Shen Mue battle system..VF is perfect for me. Yes i cant wait to play against all the PSINEXT members online :twitch:

[axia777]

Hey i was going to say that, it suffers from the plastic look :rotate: , look at some of the skin..they look like plastic. Hopefully the PS3 version wont be so shinny..





Indeed, perpare to get TKO by me :D that goes for you to Z!!

Bring man, bring it!!!! :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think they look pretty good. The 'shininess is obviously from the lighting (you referring to the shots of wolf and that new mucha lucha guy?) The shots with jackie and akira and company in them, with natural lighting look okay to me.

[senas8]

What the hell?....Arcade is going next gen?

[Saibo]

I think they look pretty good. The 'shininess is obviously from the lighting (you referring to the shots of wolf and that new mucha lucha guy?) The shots with jackie and akira and company in them, with natural lighting look okay to me.

i was refering to this shoot:

http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1149/sub_lau_p02.jpg

look at his skin, unless he is sweating that is not normal for a human being to be that shinny(i dont see any sweat..so i awesome its just a specular map). It would be cool if they could start a match off not sweating/shinny and as the match progress you start to see that shinny/sweaty look.

No compare that to his shoot, she looks normal,at least her skin does:

http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1149/sub_sarah_p02.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

that's why I said it's the lighting in particular stages. The surfaces will change in color/luminescense depending on the lighting circumstances.

[axia777]

No lighting should make human skin look shiny. Ever.

[Saibo]

No lighting should make human skin look shiny. Ever.

thats right, it only happens if your wet..that was my point.

[Z]

like always, I think Tekken will be the de facto in everything- till SC4 comes out with slightly better graphics.
but let us not judge PS3 based on an arcade board. :)

[axia777]

like always, I think Tekken will be the de facto in everything- till SC4 comes out with slightly better graphics.
but let us not judge PS3 based on an arcade board. :)

Too true. Tekken 5 will rock. SC4 on PS3? Blows my mind to think of it. Both better be on-line!!

[julps31]

Too true. Tekken 5 will rock. SC4 on PS3? Blows my mind to think of it. Both better be on-line!!Thats Tekken 6...and it sure will.

[axia777]

Thats Tekken 6...and it sure will.

Duh, me sto...er...retarded....LOL!

[GTShotoKen]

I have read that characters look much more natural when you see them in motion within the game.

I'm not to worried about shiny skin since everything else looks stunning (It's a pretty meaningless thing to pick at anyways).

Not to be uptight, but I think the gameplay will more than make up for it.

The one thing I hope gets improved in the next installment of Virtua Fighter is the music. Man-oh-man does Sega need to get some new hearing adds when it comes to fighting game music.

I also wish that the impact sounds of punchs, kicks, and collisions have much more bass, just like Tekken 5.

[woundingchaney]

I'm really concerned about 2D fighting games.. especially Capcom, SNK loves 2D fighting games. i hope they wont disappeared next-gen

As well am I. I havent heard any mention of 2d fighters in the next gen yet (other than rumors of a KI sequel). Although Im very interested in seeing a next gen guilty gear game.

[Z]

of course there will be 2D games next-gen. the reason why we aren't hearing about them is everybody's interest in seeing what is new. nothing is exciting about seeing games (like 2D) that can be played on PS2 or even PSOne.

[GUNDAMSEED]

VF has always been about motion that why i like VF the best ,tekken feels so stiff compare to it .

For 2d games can you say GG in 720 or 1080p. That would be 2d awesome.

If VF or tekken ever comes online to all the PSINEXT i say bring it, it would be fun to beat crap out of you guys.

[Nodieza]

^ So arrogant when it comes to competitive games are we now? "I'll kick your ass in Street Fighter A3 and Megaman...." ^.^ Wow it just now dawned upon me that I am a Capcom whore... ugh... anyways. VF5 game has already been stated to never go online because it would ruin all the competitions they hold with the arcade version.

The game looks amazing to me, the shiny skin works, everything else looks out of place to me and it's because their is no focus point, stuff around the characters needs to be blurrier and even more so the further away they are. Just look at the final screen on the bottom, anyone who doesn't think that looks amazing is off their rocker.

[GTShotoKen]

I always liked Virtua Fighter because it's so deep and complex. You can know the martial arts style of the character in and out.

It also has a countering system that will put even Soul Calibur to shame.

[axia777]

I'm not to worried about shiny skin since everything else looks stunning (It's a pretty meaningless thing to pick at anyways).

To you maybe it is. But to a lot of us, next gen quality should reflect just that, next gen quality. Shiny plastic skin is an old school problem that has been solved now. And to the lot of who care about skin, that crap had better be gone by the time it comes to PS3. To me it is like saying that even though a fast sports car may be awesome and fast, it has a paint job. And because it is fast and handles like a dfream it is all right that it has a bad paint job. No bad paint jobs for me thanks. Just my 2 cents.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

To you maybe it is. But to a lot of us, next gen quality should reflect just that, next gen quality. Shiny plastic skin is an old school problem that has been solved now. And to the lot of who care about skin, that crap had better be gone by the time it comes to PS3.

Or so help me I'll...I'll...grrr!!!!


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It's my personal opinion that you care too much.
Take it how you want.:hump:

[axia777]

Or so help me I'll...I'll...grrr!!!!


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It's my personal opinion that you care too much.
Take it how you want.:hump:

I understand, and it is your opinion. But is this not a place to discuss, count and, discount ideas and opinions?

[GTShotoKen]

I understand, and it is your opinion. But is this not a place to discuss, count and, discount ideas and opinions?

I agree with you, but you're kinda taking this shiny skin thing too personally.

Your avatar is of a UT2007 character and next-gen UT graphics suffer from the plastic skin effect to an order of a magnitude higher than the Virtua Fighter characters.

The intricate details are still amazing though.

You might convince yourself out of buying alot of good games if you take this shiny skin thing too seriously.

I don't mean any of this as an insult though. I would like more natural skin as much as the next person, but that is the very last thing I'm thinking about.

[Lekko]

Well, we are looking at the first round of nextgen games. Give it a few rounds for them to play arround with lighting and new techniques. I'm pretty confident that towards the end of the PS3's life it will look perfect.

Also, keep in mind that this is the first time some devs have the ability to show off lighting, so they tend to over-emphasize it and make everything shiny. Besides, some people really like the shiny effect on things, just maybe not people...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I agree with you, but you're kinda taking this shiny skin thing too personally.

Your avatar is of a UT2007 character and next-gen UT graphics suffer from the plastic skin effect to an order of a magnitude higher than the Virtua Fighter characters.

The intricate details are still amazing though.

You might convince yourself out of buying alot of good games if you take this shiny skin thing too seriously.

I don't mean any of this as an insult though. I would like more natural skin as much as the next person, but that is the very last thing I'm thinking about.

[Red_Eyes]

I'm really concerned about 2D fighting games.. especially Capcom, SNK loves 2D fighting games. i hope they wont disappeared next-gen

Yeah, me too. I hope there's a new Guilty Gear game on PS3 with very high resolution sprite and smooth frames.

[Saibo]

Hey i care about the shinny skin, and the eyes(as a artist)..its tough to pull off ingame, if it gets really bad i'll just wear some sun glasses :D, I'll still buy the game, because its going to be great in motion just like all VF games.

my favorite Capcom fighting game is still Street Fighter Alpha 3!!!

[overclocked]

This one should be healthy for the PS3 to have exclusive, just the name sets the memory back to VF 1 and VRacing , the first "real" 3D games.

[GTShotoKen]

My favorite 2D fighter is a very rare one.

It's called Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves. It was the last official game in the Fatal Fury saga and came out for the Dreamcast.

Such a wonderful fighter.

P.S.- I'm playing it right now actually.

[woundingchaney]

My favorite 2D fighter is a very rare one.

It's called Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves. It was the last official game in the Fatal Fury saga and came out for the Dreamcast.

Such a wonderful fighter.

P.S.- I'm playing it right now actually.


Im still partial to the Marvel VS Capcom series and Sam Showdown II. Although the guilty gear series is possibly the "freshest" look at 2d fighters on the market now.

I wasnt overly impressed with FF-MotW but it was a good fighter none the less.

[Nodieza]

my favorite Capcom fighting game is still Street Fighter Alpha 3!!!

DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GTShotoKen]

Im still partial to the Marvel VS Capcom series and Sam Showdown II. Although the guilty gear series is possibly the "freshest" look at 2d fighters on the market now.

I wasnt overly impressed with FF-MotW but it was a good fighter none the less.

I can't believe you don't like FF-MotW! I had a very robust fighting system with a revamped power meter and a new countering system.

THe MVC series is ok. I like beating my friends with Venom and Captain Commando (I just don't like Strider for some reason).

I prefer Capcom vs. SNK 2 over MVC any day though (King, Akuma, and Kyosuke; the ultimate team).

Samurai Showdown II still holds a special place in my heart (such a great game). I like Samurai Showdown IV also, even though it introduced a crap load of weird counters and technicalities.

I almost forgot about Killer Instinct, now that is my second favorite 2D fighting game (CoCoCoCo...Combo breakerrrrrrrr!!!!).

[CrumCon]

I never liked 3D fighting game.. i only had good time in PS1 era years ago. but after that.. i lost my interest in 3D fighting, not even single of them could attract me now. 2D fighting game anyday for me.

But lets hope they could take the genre to a new level on PS3..

hell.. i even collect Neo-geo CD fighting games for my PS2.. Last Blade 2 for example, outstanding fighting game.

[GTShotoKen]

I never liked 3D fighting game.. i only had good time in PS1 era years ago. but after that.. i lost my interest in 3D fighting, not even single of them could attract me now. 2D fighting game anyday for me.

But lets hope they could take the genre to a new level on PS3..

hell.. i even collect Neo-geo CD fighting games for my PS2.. Last Blade 2 for example, outstanding fighting game.

Last Blade is pretty fun.

I don't know though CrumCon, you might just have to find something to like about 3D fighters because there isn't much to evolve on.

I think Street Fighter 3: Third Strike is probably the most evolved 2D fighter and I don't think there is much else to push the genre further.

[CrumCon]

My favorite 2D fighter is a very rare one.

It's called Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves. It was the last official game in the Fatal Fury saga and came out for the Dreamcast.

Such a wonderful fighter.

P.S.- I'm playing it right now actually.

haha it's one of the finest 2D fighitng game out there, it came on ps2 months ago. its a perfect port from Dreamcast or Arcade version.

[julps31]

I agree with you, but you're kinda taking this shiny skin thing too personally.

Your avatar is of a UT2007 character and next-gen UT graphics suffer from the plastic skin effect to an order of a magnitude higher than the Virtua Fighter characters.

The intricate details are still amazing though.

You might convince yourself out of buying alot of good games if you take this shiny skin thing too seriously.

I don't mean any of this as an insult though. I would like more natural skin as much as the next person, but that is the very last thing I'm thinking about.To me the characters in UT2005 look like they should. They don't look plastic to me. Where the characters in Virtua Fighter (in some pics) look like toys. It looks more realistic than Gears of War IMO (more CG esque than plastic).

[Nerve-Damage]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4560/subakirap021uo.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6489/subakirap038ob.jpg
http://www.virtuafighter.jp/image/sub_chara/sub_brad_p05.jpg
http://www.virtuafighter.jp/image/sub_chara/sub_vane_p02.jpg

Link: (http://www.virtuafighter.jp/) :salute:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

looks good to me.

[woundingchaney]

Anyone got the specs off of the arcade board from which VF5 is running, I would like a rundown of the hardware used to create these visuals.

[venomv]

Maybe they are going for the For the Virtua Fighter: Action Figure Addition look, I really hate when people look like plastic. But it will probably be a good game and I'll probably get it, been awile since I've played Virtua Fighter but I love the series.

[Nerve-Damage]

Anyone got the specs off of the arcade board from which VF5 is running, I would like a rundown of the hardware used to create these visuals.

Lindberg Board
CPU: Intel Pentium Processor 3.0Ghz with 1 Megabyte L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Compatible, 800MHz FSB

Memory: 184pin DDR SD-RAM PC3200 512 Megabytes x 2 (dual)

GPU: NVIDIA GPU, 256 bit GDDR3 Memory 256 Megabytes. Compatible with Vertex Shader 3.0 and Pixel Shader 3.0. Can output same or different video stream to two screens

Sound: 3D Audio Synthesizer Chip, Max 64 channels, Compatible with 5.1 channel output

Input/Output:

Video: Analogue D-Sub 15 pin, Two DVI-I Terminals

Sound: 5.1 Channel (front 2 channels use RCA Connectors), SP-DIF (optical)

LAN: On board: 10/100/1000 BASE-TX. JVS I/O Connector

Serial: 2 Channel (can switch one channel between 232C and 422)
USB 2.0 x 4

Other: Original security system, compatible with All.Net, games distributed on DVD.

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PS3 Conversion 100% :djparty:

[sousuke]

Anyone got the specs off of the arcade board from which VF5 is running, I would like a rundown of the hardware used to create these visuals.
if it's the Lindbergh then here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Lindbergh

Looks like it's just a pentium 4 @ 3.0 GHz.

EDIT: ok someone was faster ;P

[woundingchaney]

Lindberg Board
CPU: Intel Pentium Processor 3.0Ghz with 1 Megabyte L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Compatible, 800MHz FSB

Memory: 184pin DDR SD-RAM PC3200 512 Megabytes x 2 (dual)

GPU: NVIDIA GPU, 256 bit GDDR3 Memory 256 Megabytes. Compatible with Vertex Shader 3.0 and Pixel Shader 3.0. Can output same or different video stream to two screens

Sound: 3D Audio Synthesizer Chip, Max 64 channels, Compatible with 5.1 channel output

Input/Output:

Video: Analogue D-Sub 15 pin, Two DVI-I Terminals

Sound: 5.1 Channel (front 2 channels use RCA Connectors), SP-DIF (optical)

LAN: On board: 10/100/1000 BASE-TX. JVS I/O Connector

Serial: 2 Channel (can switch one channel between 232C and 422)
USB 2.0 x 4

Other: Original security system, compatible with All.Net, games distributed on DVD.

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PS3 Conversion 100% :djparty:


Well considering this then the next gen consoles should have little problem duplicating the visuals (even with the lack of a gig of mem).

Oh and thanks man.

[venomv]

That's pretty nice, should be able to be pretty similar to next-gen consul cappibiltities. That 1 GB or RAM should help the shortcomings. I got to say something though, man my spelling sucks lol.

[Nerve-Damage]

Well considering this then the next gen consoles should have little problem duplicating the visuals (even with the lack of a gig of mem).

Oh and thanks man.

As I stated over at B3D: (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=657852#post657852) The 1GB of main memory has nothing too do with VF5 per-se, it’s the general specification carried across all the Lindbergh arcade hardware. Just look at After Burner and the other Sega arcade games using Lindbergh hardware...same specs...just different applications. And by the way those other Lindbergh titles look like sh** (most of them anyway).

Most likely to keep frame-rates steady...............

[woundingchaney]

As I stated over at B3D: (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=657852#post657852) The 1GB of main memory has nothing to too do with VF5 per-se, it’s the general specification carried across all the Lindbergh arcade hardware. Just look at After Burner and the other Sega arcade games using Lindbergh hardware...same specs...just different applications. And by the way those other Lindbergh titles look like sh** (most of them anyway).

Most likely to keep frame-rates steady...............


Very true although if its available I doubt that it wasnt put to use (unless of course they initially intended to port the title and only used half of the ram). Even if the Lind. was maxed for development the additional proc power and gpu functions should be completely capable of adapting to the lack of ram (not only that but the devs could tighten up their coding for the game).

Of course this is speculation on my part.

[venomv]

Isn't that the way everything works, that would be like saying that every game on every consul uses everything that it has to full compassity. We all know that is impossable, why should arcade games be different?

[Handycrap101]

I don't know much about arcade games but isn't the concept of developing one for a console the same as for an arcade system? I don't know why anyone would think otherwise. They're both made to play games on...

[Z]

well, I see a one core P CPU. PS3 has a faster 8 core one. unless its GPU is that much better than RSX, I don't see why PS3 can't do what it does. this unless of course some of the technical executables aren't techncially viable due to different hardware.

[venomv]

That's what I was saying, Handy.

And I agree Z, but the RAM will help it stay close to the PS3/Rev/360 for awhile at least, at least that's how I see it.

[woundingchaney]

Isn't that the way everything works, that would be like saying that every game on every consul uses everything that it has to full compassity. We all know that is impossable, why should arcade games be different?


Venom it was just me rambling about the possibilities of arcade perfect ports and if infact the board was pushed to capacity how having half the mem could be overcome. I realize that the boards specs arent necessarily the minimum specs needed to run VF5 (or a clone port of it).

[Z]

PSOne was the first system to give us arcade experiences at home. current gen have exact arcade ports of these games.

Venomv: even if you have more ram, how much can it do if the GPU and CPU aren't asa capablr as RSX and Cell? ram doesn't do math or shading.

[venomv]

I was saying they may have short term success over next-gen consoles with more RAM, because when the get the code working good they will be able to use the RAM better, till that point they will need more RAM. That's how I see it, but I'm not really a tech guy.

[julps31]

About the arcade board. Wouldn't they keep a game from taking advantage of the console hardware unless the arcade board is built around the console hardware (the Cell+RSX). Considering the PS3 should be more powerful than then most PC hardware configurations out now. So if a game like Tekken 6 (PS3 exclusive) didn't look as good as we want...couldn't the arcade board be the reason and a sort of bottle neck?

[WolfWooD]

I sure hope they upgrade the game more for the ps3 version. Like The Doa4 looks way better than that ^^

[woundingchaney]

I sure hope they upgrade the game more for the ps3 version. Like The Doa4 looks way better than that ^^

Well I would say that Doa4 is on par with those screens, but I seriously doubt that we are going to see any visual upgrades for any console it comes to (although that is just speculation).

[Saibo]

I sure hope they upgrade the game more for the ps3 version. Like The Doa4 looks way better than that ^^

blah, i disagree even in this current "plastic action figure" state, i think VF5 looks superior to DOA4 visuals. I guess i prefer the realistic looking figures over the anime-ish style of DOA.

[julps31]

About the arcade board. Wouldn't they keep a game from taking advantage of the console hardware unless the arcade board is built around the console hardware (the Cell+RSX). Considering the PS3 should be more powerful than then most PC hardware configurations out now. So if a game like Tekken 6 (PS3 exclusive) didn't look as good as we want...couldn't the arcade board be the reason and a sort of bottle neck?Anybody?

[Nerve-Damage]

About the arcade board. Wouldn't they keep a game from taking advantage of the console hardware unless the arcade board is built around the console hardware (the Cell+RSX). Considering the PS3 should be more powerful than then most PC hardware configurations out now. So if a game like Tekken 6 (PS3 exclusive) didn't look as good as we want...couldn't the arcade board be the reason and a sort of bottle neck?


Usually Namco uses Sony (PS1/PS2) based Playstation hardware for the most part with the previous Tekken and Soul Calibur series, so I don’t expect the PS3 arcade hardware (if any) to be significantly different from the PS3 console. It maybe cheaper for Namco to use a NVIDIA/Intel based arcade board for upcoming next generation Arcade games.

[julps31]

Usually Namco uses Sony (PS1/PS2) based Playstation hardware for the most part with the previous Tekken and Soul Calibur series, so I don’t expect the PS3 arcade hardware (if any) to be significantly different from the PS3 console. It maybe cheaper for Namco to use a NVIDIA/Intel based arcade board for upcoming next generation Arcade games.Alright. Thanks man. You answered my question.

[Nerve-Damage]

Alright. Thanks man. You answered my question.

Your welcome! :)

[Nerve-Damage]

Looks like self-shadowing is going on in those pics!!
:rave:

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/6editeurs20051229_214749_4_big.jpg

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/6editeurs20051229_214751_7_big.jpg

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/6editeurs20051229_214748_0_big.jpg

[Saibo]

[QUOTE=Nerve-Damage]Looks like self-shadowing is going on in those pics!!
:rave:

Forget that, look at the plastic going on in those pics! lol

I gotta see how it moves, hopefully the plastic isnt so noticeable in motion. I think they spent way too maybe on the cloth rendering, and not enough on the skin. The selk shadowing looks good, but the skin...its just not working for me. :nono:

and no im not anti- VF, im anit plastic look <insert any game that looks like plastic here>:D

[C.J.]

That plastic look may actually be sweat, which would be sweet.

[Saibo]

That plastic look may actually be sweat, which would be sweet.

I actually mention that awhile ago, and i agree if it is sweat that thats cool with me. Hopefully we are both right! The game starts out with the character not sweating and as it progress, they start to get shinny(sweat).:gunner:

now if it turns out its just shinny for the sake of being shinny..im going write a nasty letter to Sega( i got Yu Suzuki email ). :D

[julps31]

Thanks for the pics Nerve. Theres a super low-res video online. Really can't make out any detail but at least you can see the smooth animation.

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200511/127_p1.asp?f=127_p1.asp

I agree about the skin though. The overall look reminds me of the old school CG on games like Soul Caliber and Tekken. The models look much better but the textures are kinda bland if you ask me. Doesn't look bad but I think it could look better.

[Z]

aah! those pics look horrible! it's like playing with action figures!
thank god that isn't on PS3.

[NickSCFC]

Virtua Fighter - 1993
http://images.webmagic.com/klov.com/images/10/1087443339.jpg

Virtua Fighter 2 - 1995
http://images.webmagic.com/klov.com/screens/V/wVirtua_Fighter_2.jpg

Virtua Fighter 3 - 1997
http://www.blood-sports.net/gallery/pictures/Virtua_Fighter_3_Team_Battle/akira.JPG

Virtua Fighter 4 - 2002
http://edomekuvat.soneraplaza.fi/virtua_fighter4_kuvagalleria/1.jpg

Virtua Fighter 5 - 2006
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/Stillmaitik/subakirap021uo.jpg

[Junox50]

The game should look better when its close to being finished.

[chrismt]

The high quality video on Kikizo illustrated the point that the character's skin won't always be shiny, that is if the video isn't just cg. The characters don't look terrible by any means, but to me they don't look like too much of an improvement over VF4:Evo. The environments, however, look AWESOME, and are a big step up in fighting games, even DOA4 in my opinion.

[Z]

yeah, the environments are good, but I am still playing with action figures. they look like toys.

tell you what, I think it is obvious that the next Tekken, as always, will be the benchmark in everything including graphics.
now lets wait and see how a real 3D fighter should look like.

[NickSCFC]

I just don'r know how people can slag off the Virtua Fighter series, I really don't :(

[julps31]

I just don'r know how people can slag off the Virtua Fighter series, I really don't :(Where just examining the graphics. No body said they wont play it. I know your a big Virtua Fighter fan Nick. And i'm sure this game will be great as always. I just think graphically its not as advanced as I wouldv'e wanted from a next-gen Virtua Fighter. Not bad at all though.

[Z]

of course Tekken, SC and VF are the only real 3D fighters out there. what I am talking about here is pure graphics. these pics look worse than DoA4, and that's saying alot!

as to my reference to Tekken in my previous post, it always- always- rises the bar everywhere, especially graphics. Since SC always comes out after it, it benifits from where they got. I will keep the tradition of looking at the next Tekken game as having the best looking 3D fighter and see where they set the bar for the rest to catch on.

[NickSCFC]

yeah, the environments are good, but I am still playing with action figures. they look like toys.

tell you what, I think it is obvious that the next Tekken, as always, will be the benchmark in everything including graphics.
now lets wait and see how a real 3D fighter should look like.
As I said it's body sweat, and only noticable in night environments with artificial lighting (characters don't appear as shiny in daytime environments)

If you don't believe me look at Jeffrey's trousers, they're very rough looking and realistic. The best bump mapping I've seen in a game so far! Check out the self shadowing too!

[Z]

still, the cloth 'spots' on his trousers are too big. they need to be much smaller to look real.

also, when I think of next-gen VF, this quality comes to mind (see attachment)

note that these are a new arcade version and not PS3 visuals. I don't see why PS3 will not have this quality.

[GTShotoKen]

When will we see the day when gamers aren't worried about the realness of their game character's skin.

There is so much video game racism. lol http://www.unreal-forum.de/images/smilies/ugly/uglyhammer2.gif
ps> I just got a psp and it's pretty cool to post with it.

[Z]

When will we see the day when gamers aren't worried about the realness of their game character's skin.
when they stop looking like plastick army men.

PS. you should win a prize, Gaming Guru, for your emoticons! great stuff man!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'd keep insisting that it's the lighting conditions, but no one will listen to me.
*cries*

[Saibo]

As I said it's body sweat, and only noticable in night environments with artificial lighting (characters don't appear as shiny in daytime environments)

If you don't believe me look at Jeffrey's trousers, they're very rough looking and realistic. The best bump mapping I've seen in a game so far! Check out the self shadowing too!

Is that actual fact from the developers, or speculation? Notice were not talking about the clothing, because most of the clothing look as they should, shadows decent too. The only problem here is the toy soldier skin.

Because i see that shinny look in both day and night shot.


I like VF, im not knocking the gameplay, but im knocking the plastic look(and its not VF thing, insert watever plastic looking game here). I do plan on buying VF,lets hope the plastic look goes away on the PS3.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6489/subakirap038ob.jpg

I'd keep insisting that it's the lighting conditions, but no one will listen to me.
*cries*


Its obviously not a lighting condition, the shader they are using is causing the plastic look..not the lights.If you at the clothing in every shot, they are perfect regardless of night or day. The only thing that could explain it is "sweat" , but i need to see a high res video, to see if they start off dry at all to confirm it :P.

[Z]

and even without the shiny-ness, the models still don't look that good for PS3.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I agree with that, Z.
When tekken 6 comes around it's all over.

[Saibo]

I agree with that, Z.
When tekken 6 comes around it's all over.

great for tekken fans, but i prefer VF for 3D fighting.

and even without the shiny-ness, the models still don't look that good for PS3.


LOL, ok Z how about i make you a VF clone on the PS3 Linux, i promise no shinness, and higher polygon count :D

We do really need a decent 3D Street Fighter game though(most of them sucked).

[julps31]

and even without the shiny-ness, the models still don't look that good for PS3.Yea I agree and disagree. Like i've said before I think the poly counts look high but I don't like the look of the textures and I don't really like the look of the pants either. They remind of those stretch glad bags lol. So the characters look very detailed and anatomicly correct but the skin and textures detract from there realism.

I agree with that, Z.
When tekken 6 comes around it's all over.I got that feeling too. I think that Tekken will be the first fighter thats gonna look unquestionably next-gen. I got the feeling its gonna blow us away. Not to down VF though.

[Z]

Saibo
LOL, ok Z how about i make you a VF clone on the PS3 Linux, i promise no shinness, and higher polygon count :D
only if you make my charcter 30 times faster than the rest and unbeatable! and I want to Moonwalk as a victory dance. and I want the game to be renamed VF:Z edition. and I want free chili-dog coupons. and I want....
*goes on and on like a spoild brat*

what were we talking about? oh yeah, Alien Abduction: I think it will be better if we name them alien upductions. clever huh?
We do really need a decent 3D Street Fighter game though(most of them sucked).
well, prepared to be staked and beaten up by SF fans. i got to tell you, they don't play nice. lol
to make it simple, it is like saying you want a 2D Tekken. aack! just the thought about it makes me want to ...aack!

they are trying though. King of Fighters and SF had 3D versions. if they can keep up the pace, effects and controlls, who knows.

PS. Guilty Gears is now the King of 2D fighters. yeah you heard me SF freaks! it's Isuka for you!!
*goes ahead and makes reservations in the local hospital in preperation for a beat'n*

[GTShotoKen]

I didn't like Isuka very much. X2 was more to my taste, but yeah; Guilty gear is still an amazing 2D fighting game.

Every 3D SF game sucked in my opinion. They tried to play exactly like the 2D version, but were slow, lacked depth, and were poorly designed.

I could honesty see a 3D SF playing like Virtua Fighter, but with a mix of the bone crunching hits of Tekken.

They could also make the energy attacks for the game more like the SFII movie, where the hadouken and other KI based attacks can only be done as a Super Arts.

If SF is to survive as a 3D fighter, it will have to be redesigned to play as a 3D fighter.

[Saibo]

I didn't like Isuka very much. X2 was more to my taste, but yeah; Guilty gear is still an amazing 2D fighting game.

Every 3D SF game sucked in my opinion. They tried to play exactly like the 2D version, but were slow, lacked depth, and were poorly designed.

I could honesty see a 3D SF playing like Virtua Fighter, but with a mix of the bone crunching hits of Tekken.

They could also make the energy attacks for the game more like the SFII movie, where the hadouken and other KI based attacks can only be done as a Super Arts.

If SF is to survive as a 3D fighter, it will have to be redesigned to play as a 3D fighter.

Quoted for total agreement!!(minus the tekken part...) thats the kinda ideas i need. I guess im wriitng a fighting game engine than for the PS3 :D . Though i think SF3 would be pretty decent converted to 3D as it is, but side stepping as to be added, and maybe a tag mode! interactive destructable levels, hidden characters.

Everything i justed said has been done in most 3D fighting games already..theres got to be something that hasnt been done that would make 3D fighting games more innovative and fun..we should take it to a new level.

Worse fighting game ever: SF the movie, the game. :D

*runs back to the drawing table, erase VF:Z edition from the drawing board* haha

[GTShotoKen]

Quoted for total agreement!!(minus the tekken part...) thats the kinda ideas i need. I guess im wriitng a fighting game engine than for the PS3 :D . Though i think SF3 would be pretty decent converted to 3D as it is, but side stepping as to be added, and maybe a tag mode! interactive destructable levels, hidden characters.

Everything i justed said has been done in most 3D fighting games already..theres got to be something that hasnt been done that would make 3D fighting games more innovative and fun..we should take it to a new level.

Worse fighting game ever: SF the movie, the game. :D

*runs back to the drawing table, erase VF:Z edition from the drawing board* haha

Thanks.

I've actually played the SF movie game and I thought it was so rediculously bad; it was funny.

I think it's mind boggling how movie directors and producers fail to make a good game to movie translation. I always had an idea, why not make the movies like the games and elaborate off of their central story lines. The movie makers always say that people don't want Doom 3: The movie or RE2: the movie, but their ideas always make crappy movies. They are speaking against the one thing gamers actually want! I actually think the Halo movie will finally get it right though since they are actually using the games and all of there elements as the bases for the movie.

Well there is my rant.

Anyways, VF5 looks to bring the VF formula to perfection. I already thought VF4 was pretty much perfect, but VF5 seems to take it all the way.

I can't wait to get my hands on this game!

[Z]

*runs back to the drawing table, erase VF:Z edition from the drawing board* haha
okay, wait till you hear my RPG game idea! it's a winner I tell ya!

*get shot in the face*

[Hisham]

I didn't like Isuka very much. X2 was more to my taste, but yeah; Guilty gear is still an amazing 2D fighting game.

Every 3D SF game sucked in my opinion. They tried to play exactly like the 2D version, but were slow, lacked depth, and were poorly designed.

I could honesty see a 3D SF playing like Virtua Fighter, but with a mix of the bone crunching hits of Tekken.

They could also make the energy attacks for the game more like the SFII movie, where the hadouken and other KI based attacks can only be done as a Super Arts.

If SF is to survive as a 3D fighter, it will have to be redesigned to play as a 3D fighter.

EX3 wasn't TOO bad... Of course it sucked compared to the 2D street fighters, but they were experimenting, and it wasn't that bad. Sure it wasn't as fast as any of the 2D street fighters, but the tag system they had was pretty good, and they had a good combo system. It's like you said tho, it's downfall is trying to play too much like the 2D fighters. It needs to be on it's own.

And I agree with you about Isuka... It was mediocre at best. GGX2 is the best guilty gear, but what I don't like is the frames of animation of the Guilty Gear series. It isn't even comparable to older 2D fighters like Alpha 3. And to me the king of 2D fighter is still Street Fighter. 3rd Strike is probably the fighter I've spent the most time with ever. And MOTW would have to be in second because that was the single best 2D fighter SNK ever put out.

Anyways, back on topic, The VF5 don't look THAT bad, but I would imagine much better character models for the PS3. But I'll wait till I actually can see it motion too judge.

[Z]

GGX2 is the best guilty gear, but what I don't like is the frames of animation of the Guilty Gear series. It isn't even comparable to older 2D fighters like Alpha 3.
that is when GG shines the most: it has updated animation and sprites. SF has been recycling their old drwaings far too long. it is like I am olaying with my Genesis again and again!
Anyways, back on topic, The VF5 don't look THAT bad, but I would imagine much better character models for the PS3. But I'll wait till I actually can see it motion too judge.
I looked at the TGS footage of VF. I have to say that they certainly look better tyhan DoA4. but again, I will have to wait for Tekken to compare them too. though some may prefer different styles over Tekken's, but they still make the most gorgeous 3D fighters out there (after which a SC comes along).

[julps31]

that is when GG shines the most: it has updated animation and sprites. SF has been recycling their old drwaings far too long. it is like I am olaying with my Genesis again and again!

I looked at the TGS footage of VF. I have to say that they certainly look better tyhan DoA4. but again, I will have to wait for Tekken to compare them too. though some may prefer different styles over Tekken's, but they still make the most gorgeous 3D fighters out there (after which a SC comes along).What TGS footage Virtua Fighter Z? Hook us up lol. Because the gamplay footage from kikizo isn't the quality of where you can anylze the graphical quality.

[Z]

they have only one video. I just got my TGS Access DVD (similar to E3 access) as saw a clean version of that video (and many others). the characters look much better than the doll-like current-gen Box-copy DoA4

[julps31]

they have only one video. I just got my TGS Access DVD (similar to E3 access) as saw a clean version of that video (and many others). the characters look much better than the doll-like current-gen Box-copy DoA4Oh cool. I ordered mine a while ago too (all the way from Japan) on Dec. 9. I've been waiting to see those trailers in full resolution. Or at least higher than what I can now. When did you order yours?

[Z]

about a month, or little under a month.
to be honest, there is only one thing that is worth it: MGS4 demo (both game and manipulation). other than that, there is nothing much.
E3 Access is much better since it has full conference coverage of all 3 players.

if you already have clear MGS4 demos downloaded, then there you have it.
in fact, all the demos it has can be downloaded for free.

[julps31]

about a month, or little under a month.
to be honest, there is only one thing that is worth it: MGS4 demo (both game and manipulation). other than that, there is nothing much.
E3 Access is much better since it has full conference coverage of all 3 players.

if you already have clear MGS4 demos downloaded, then there you have it.
in fact, all the demos it has can be downloaded for free.Thats what I thought. The MGS trailer is the main reason I wanted it. I was thinking the full resolution version of the trailer was worth it. I got trailer in different quality but I want the hi-resolution version without the quality loss because of the compression. And I want the E3 Access trailer but I tryed to get those on ebay and lost the first damn auction and forgot about the second one when it ended lol.

Alright back on topic...

[Infernal]

Thats what I thought. The MGS trailer is the main reason I wanted it. I was thinking the full resolution version of the trailer was worth it. I got trailer in different quality but I want the hi-resolution version without the quality loss because of the compression. And I want the E3 Access trailer but I tryed to get those on ebay and lost the first damn auction and forgot about the second one when it ended lol.
The January PSM issue included a DVD with a high resolution and uncut MGS4 trailer if that helps.

[julps31]

The January PSM issue included a DVD with a high resolution and uncut MGS4 trailer if that helps.Yeah..as a matter of fact I saw that issue. But since i'm subscribed I didn't get the dvd. But you gave me an idea... *goes to ebay and searches for psm dvds* +rep

[Z]

Yeah..as a matter of fact I saw that issue. But since i'm subscribed I didn't get the dvd. But you gave me an idea... *goes to ebay and searches for psm dvds* +rep
yeah, I hate that about PSM. I e-mailed them about this. they said since the subscription fee is very low (one of the if not the cheapest actually) they can't include DVD and other goodies with it. they said they are thinking of either rasing the subscription fee or making two subscriptions; one the usual, the other a more expensive one with all the extras.

oh well. they don't have playables so it isn't a big deal.

[julps31]

yeah, I hate that about PSM. I e-mailed them about this. they said since the subscription fee is very low (one of the if not the cheapest actually) they can't include DVD and other goodies with it. they said they are thinking of either rasing the subscription fee or making two subscriptions; one the usual, the other a more expensive one with all the extras.

oh well. they don't have playables so it isn't a big deal.Yea.. I was thinkin about that too. I went onto the website just in case they had two subscription services. But no luck. That would be sweet if they had one that came with the dvd's. Hopefully they will sooner or later.

[ENIGMATIC 1]

Tight work,those graphics are hot.

[BlueTsunami]

Looks GOOOOOOOOD, its also better quality then what you'll find of most VF5 vids. The parry looks good, I dislike that you still fly in the air unnaturaly. Looks silky smooth. Still waiting on some direct feed VF5 vids >: (

http://rapidshare.de/files/12798613/vf5_aki_win_pose_Shaky_Cam.AVI.html

http://www.doupe.cz/vaulty/virtuafighter/media/VF5/vf5_aki_win_pose.AVI

*I was owned on another thread about the parry...appearently it ISN'T a Parry but a Throw Break!!!

[Illmatic]

The game looks great, and the animation looks nice and fluid. When is VF5 being released in Arcades?

and yeah, we definately need some direct feed footage :susp:

[Nodieza]

Holy crap! The animation, it makes DOA 4 look bad IMO, the clothing movements and the lighting looks so natural, shiny bodies that's about the only flaw I can see. It looks beautiful even though the video quality itself is low.

[Viano]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HOLYSHY#"#"#"!!

well, still downloading..


only two people replied?lol

[NickSCFC]

Looks incredible, can't wait to play it.

[Fats]

It's alright looking in my opinion, just doesn't seem like anything special. I know I shouldn't be saying that on the basis of one, fairly poor video though. I'm not that keen on fighters so it would take a lot to change my opinion.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Looks pretty good. I can't see any big diffrence from TEKKEN 5 though.

[BlueTsunami]

Looks pretty good. I can't see any big diffrence from TEKKEN 5 though.

The main difference is the lighting, self shadowing and the cloth movement. The backgrounds actually look very nice even if they can't be interacted with.

[Sephiroth_VII]

It's pretty hard to tell, since this is a shaky, hand-recorded, 8 sec clip of action.

[BlueTsunami]

It's pretty hard to tell, since this is a shaky, hand-recorded, 8 sec clip of action.

Yep..I cannot wait for direct feed 720p video ;)

With that said, someone has told me that VF5 information in general should start being pushed next week. This is mainly due to the VF5 location test ramping up.

[Nodieza]

The main difference is the lighting, self shadowing and the cloth movement. The backgrounds actually look very nice even if they can't be interacted with.

Thank you, I agree, the game looks beautiful, I just wish the backrounds had some motion. It looks better than tekken 5 IMO, Way natural to a point of creepy for me. Just the way the clothing moves against the body. I am re-sparked with excitement about next-gen!

[Killing Moon]

Very, very cool. This is PS3 exclusive, yes?

[Nodieza]

^ Besides Arcades of course, I would assume yes it's a PS3 exsclusive, can anyone confirm yet?

[NoZ]

It would be nice to have this running on arcade machines.

[The_One]

The dl speed is heck slow... 9KBp/s XD.

[Domination]

The dl speed is heck slow... 9KBp/s XD.


I agree. For a file so small, it took almost 30 minutes to download (I got sick of waiting on it to stream)

The game looks great, but it looks like the PC version we saw awhile back.

[Alkemist]

Yeah, without paying attention to the file size, I thought it would have been longer. Still, looks beautiful none the less. Can't wait to see Tekken as well.

[BlueTsunami]

Very, very cool. This is PS3 exclusive, yes?

That hasn't been confirmed as of yet. It seems as though its a shoe in to be on the PS3 but there have been rumblings that MS will put it on the 360 also.

The dl speed is heck slow... 9KBp/s XD.

Supposedley both the links I posted are being hammered. I'll see if I can mirror it.

[L3XO]

It dosnt look that great imo, i think 360 could easily manage this seeing how good Tekken 5 looks on ps2.

Mine download at 150k/sec. And that was with additional downloads in progress :)

[Nodieza]

You guys must have a bad connection, it took me like 5 seconds to dl, took me longer to wait in line, 25 seconds.

I just got done playing Tekken 5 for about 2 hours, Virtua Fighter 5 looks MUCH better, take my word for it, look at the muscle flex of Aki vs's Hworang's muscles in Tekken 5, Hworang's look cartoonish compared to Aki's. Even from that short low quality video this was apparent.

Their is a 10 times greater sense of depth between the foreground and backround and the backround looks very 3d and blends perfectly with the characters and foreground. When the girl hits the ground, watch that part frame by frame, the animation is amazing, same with Aki's "bandanna", crazy animation.

[liver_kick]

The lighting and self-shadowing makes such a huge difference. Seeing it in motion at a silky smooth framerate really makes the subtle impact of these effects pop out. The cloth textures also look ridiculously good. In the close up captures the mesh on Aki's gi almost looks detailed on a polygonal level. Very impressive.

[Homeru]

It looks the same as DOA4 maybe a bit better, if this comes to the ps3 then it should have big improvments, like better cloth effects like in the ff7 tech demo or the tekken6 demo.

[Nodieza]

It looks a lot better than Doa 4 model wise, Doa 4 doesn't even have self shadowing and their are lots of clipping problems according to 1up.com.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3146601

Yeah the Tekken 6 demo looked better, but untill they show gameplay I'd say this is the best looking fighter out there overall. Ps3 improvements would be nice to see.

[L3XO]

it looks better, but not perfect. I'd expect much more from the PS3.

[BlueTsunami]

I wouldn't expect anything to "look better" when being ported to the PS3. Not that the PS3 wouldn't be able to do it, its more or less the fact that Sega is probably going to make this a straight port.

[Nodieza]

^ Yeah sega is teh lazy when it comes to... well almost anything recently, Damn you Shadow the Hedgechog! Maybe nex-gen sonic will be good.

[chrismt]

Hah my download speed never dropped below 250K (I feel blessed). As to the actual video, I have to say this looks much better than VF4, and I think better than DOA4 though I haven't played that game outside of my local Gamestop. The cloth effects are much more apparent in other videos, but the extreme detail can still be seen in this low quality vid. I'm REALLLLY looking forward to this game and possibly beating some of you in online (I hope there is an online mode).

[Metal Sphere]

I have to agree with BlueTsunami here, guys. Sega knows damn well that the PS3 will move a massive number of launch titles and consoles at launch and afterwards, so why spend more money touching it up when that'll eventually cut into profits from the sales?

As for the PS3 exclusivity assumptions, isn't that based on Lindbergh using Nvidia's 6800U and a P4? At least on the GPU side it's closer to the PS3's graphics solution but it isn't much to go on. Xbox 360 support will depend on said console's strength in Japan in the coming months.

[Nodieza]

^ Yeah but VF stuck with Sony last gen. Also keep in mind the main reason their wont be an online (pretty sure they've already made an official anouncement) is because of the HUGE arcade fan support they have in Asia. They have massive competitions each year, mostly in Asia. They said they'd lose money from the Arcade sales if they had a online console version. I also believe that's why it'll be on arcade and ps3 only is because the Japanese love it, but the Japanese aren't loving the 360 right now along with the Sega title that was released with the 360 (Condemned). I think Sega made Full Auto as well.

If anyone finds any other videos of VF5 can we post them here please?

Found one http://games.kikizo.com/news/200509/111.asp

It's the best version of the older trailer, it's at the bottom of the page, If you use Internet Download Manager you can hack it out, other than that I think you have to stream it.

[warmachine]

Found one http://games.kikizo.com/news/200509/111.asp

It's the best version of the older trailer, it's at the bottom of the page, If you use Internet Download Manager you can hack it out, other than that I think you have to stream it.


Nope! They just hid the downloadbutton quite well on the right side, above the streaming window right beside and under the adds. ;)

[NickSCFC]

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/6631/vf5kage8lg.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2363/vf5lion0cz.jpg

[Metal Sphere]

^ Yeah but VF stuck with Sony last gen. Also keep in mind the main reason their wont be an online (pretty sure they've already made an official anouncement) is because of the HUGE arcade fan support they have in Asia. They have massive competitions each year, mostly in Asia. They said they'd lose money from the Arcade sales if they had a online console version. I also believe that's why it'll be on arcade and ps3 only is because the Japanese love it, but the Japanese aren't loving the 360 right now along with the Sega title that was released with the 360 (Condemned). I think Sega made Full Auto as well.

If anyone finds any other videos of VF5 can we post them here please?

Found one http://games.kikizo.com/news/200509/111.asp

It's the best version of the older trailer, it's at the bottom of the page, If you use Internet Download Manager you can hack it out, other than that I think you have to stream it.

Well, they'd lose money regardless if it had an online mode or not if they release it too soon after it's arcade debut, since they need them to make money. Yu Suzuki mentioned that until lag is completely eliminated during online play, he won't make only capable because it "wouldn't feel or play like Virtua Fighter".

...Which isn't that far off for a series that prides itself on technical accuracy and actual skill in fighting.

[Nodieza]

^ Ah thank you for the corrections.

Yeah I forgot about the frame rate thing he mentioned, hopefully it wont be a problem on the ps3.

Ah so there was a download button, geez I had just woken up so I was kinda out of it and didn't see it ^.^

Nice pics also, keep them coming!

[warmachine]

14 new videos (http://hosted.filefront.com/vfdc) of Virtua Fighter 5 from the Japanese location test.

[NickSCFC]

Deserve some kudos for that mate :D

[BlueTsunami]

14 new videos (http://hosted.filefront.com/vfdc) of Virtua Fighter 5 from the Japanese location test.

Those videos rock...thanks for the link!

[T-234]

Why is this in the PS3 forum again? These vids are from an Arcade location test!

[Fats]

Yes, but it has the potential of being a PS3 exclusive.

[T-234]

I would complain at you, but then I remembered this bitchfest:
http: // www . ga-forum . com/showthread.php?t=85071
NOTE: Superpac in that thread is Chris Johnston, Former Ziff writer and now EIC of Newtype USA. Stewy is Greg Sewart, also of Ziff fame. Johntv is John Riccardi, former editor at EGM and now JPN correspondent for Ziff. Hajiki is just Johhny Someguy who says he has all the scoops. Kyotomecca is an employee of Kikizo, not exactly sure which one.

Note 2: Spaces.

[BlueTsunami]

Heres a nice cropped vid of Eileen. Its in Quicktime format and has been cropped to take out the externel things and just focus on the video...heres the link...

http://www.citizenerased.net/vids/VF5/vf5-eileen.mpg

[frosty]

wow, looking better than doa4 and running on inferior hardware.

[Illmatic]

wow, looking better than doa4 and running on inferior hardware.

Keep in mind the Lindbergh has nearly 3x more RAM than both X360 and PS3.

Cheers Blue for the trailer, it's looking goood.

[frosty]

It has 2 pc 3200 512 mb sticks of DDR, which although there is more of it, is slower than 360 and ps3's ram. Although, it does also have 256 MB of video ram that runs at the same speed as PS3 and 360 (not counting XDR)

[Nodieza]

Sweet videos guys, nice finds! Thank you!!!!! ^.^

Man I've been playing Tekken 5 like mad crazy ever since I've seen these vids. I want to play it so bad even though I suck at VF! >.>

[warmachine]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3373/vf5aou11fw.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vf5aou11fw.jpg)http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8233/vf5aou23el.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vf5aou23el.jpg)http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/64/vf5aou31ol.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vf5aou31ol.jpg)http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1608/vf5aou43fp.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vf5aou43fp.jpg)

I really hope they are working! (because sometimes I have troubles with linking to pics at gamefront)
If not: Go to gamefront (http://www.gamefront.de), scroll down, and click

[EDIT]
They aren't working! So I uploaded them at imageshack...grml

And stop the whining "this is a arcade game", please!

[TEEDA]

IGN has the AOw !trailer from the SEGA show
http://media.cheats.ign.com/media/760/760473/vids_1.html

and the new trailer of After Burner
http://media.cheats.ign.com/media/769/769194/vids_1.html

[NickSCFC]

http://www.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/2848_vf_1.jpg
http://www.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/2848_vf_2.jpg
http://www.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/2848_vf_3.jpg
http://www.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/2848_vf_4.jpg
http://www.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/2848_vf_5.jpg
http://www.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/2848_vf_6.jpg

http://ps3.qj.net/Gorgeous-Virtua-Fighter-5-Screens/pg/49/aid/2848


Edited: please do not post multiple large images. use attachment or links.

[LiquidEagle]

Lookin' sharp... +rep 4 j00 :-D

Thanks

[Nodieza]

^sweet finds, VF5 looking awsome!

[Nodieza]

Anyone who still thinks the characters look shiny needs to go to this thread and watch those videos, the shinyness seems to be a pretest version of the game and yes some of the characters still shine a little, and it's probably due to sweat.

Can't wait for Tekken, can't wait to see some more, what it looks like, I need to know! ^.^

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=51943

God please dont ever put SFA3 in 3d...

Guilty gear rocks, but a button masher could whoop that game, it's not technical enough to be the best fighting game.

[woundingchaney]

The thing about fighters is really any button masher could beat the comp. AI (with enough time) its when you play others that they become increasingly technical and deep. Guilty Gear is a good example of this nearly every move and feture of the game has an important use in the gameplay. DOA would come to mind as one of the lesser technical fighters but even this game when played against a human opponent (whether in person or online) is really a reasonably sophisticated fighter, although its appeal comes from white knuckle action and impressive come from behind victories more so than deep gameplay.

[liver_kick]

The thing about fighters is really any button masher could beat the comp.

Have you ever played VF4's Kumite mode? Button mashing will get you no where against the CPU on medium to higher ranks. The AI is actually remarkably good for a fighter, way ahead of anything else in the genre (they tuned individual AIs based on the patterns of top flight Japanese competitors). But yeah, a fighter is naturally at its best when there's a chess game between two human opponents on the same level. And VF is peerless in that department.

[Z]

well, deep fighters like Tekken have three kind of characters for beginners, medium and expert players. characters like Eddie and Howrang (spelling :/) are accessable by anyone and can make a beginner feel like a pro. but some need practice to master. Jun, Kazuia, Paul, Bryan and others are killers once you get the hang of things.
VF and SC are the same. I am eager to try out the next VF!

I don't know about you, but no button smasher can hope to beat me ;)
PS. I play with Bryan Fury! Muahahahahhah

[Metal Sphere]

Guilty Gear is actually extremely deep, when you throw in dust attacks, roman cancels, bursts, etc.. Sure, against the computer it's a masher's game, but these features are in there to make combat extremely interesting and fluid.

Heck, GG isn't your typical combo-based fighter since your attacks actually weaken as they get longer, so people have to figure out a new way of fighting.

[Nodieza]

^ Nice valid points everyone, I just still think it's a button masher at heart, just look at challenge mode why do you think it's so cheap? Because there a few things that own you in that game and that's all the computer will do. Yes there are a lot of unique features like the roman cancels and instant kills and such, but the move list is a little on the light side... but I guess the point that could be made is why play chess when you can just play tic tac toe to prove intelligence right? It still is an excellent game, and yes it's really fun in VS's but against CPU it's just cheap at high difficulties.

Danji and I were playing TEKKEN 5 yesterday, Kazuia vs Kazuia war, he won to say the least, he handed my ass to me actually ^.^

Button Mashing doesn't work AT ALL in VF, that's why I stopped playing it >.> I sucked, I've grown too accostumed to SF, Marvel Vs Capcom, KOF, Samurai Showdown and Last Samurai and there pace and the sheer madness going on screen ^.^. VF requires a lot of precise timing, more so then pulling off a fatality in Mortal Kombat. Insanly balanced game though.

I'll still buy VF5 though (if it comes to a console) ^.^ maybe I'll make it "my" fighter and actually get good at it. I'll stop playing Street Fighter Alpha 3 one day, I swear *cough*

EDIT BY DANJI: We were playing Tekken 5, not VF 5 guy. :D

[GTShotoKen]

well, deep fighters like Tekken have three kind of characters for beginners, medium and expert players. characters like Eddie and Howrang (spelling :/) are accessable by anyone and can make a beginner feel like a pro. but some need practice to master. Jun, Kazuia, Paul, Bryan and others are killers once you get the hang of things.
VF and SC are the same. I am eager to try out the next VF!

I don't know about you, but no button smasher can hope to beat me ;)
PS. I play with Bryan Fury! Muahahahahhah

Bryan Fury and his furious stomach punches. lol http://emoticons4u.com/cartoon/508.gif

I don't think he could handle the raw reitsu eminating from the part Blade, part Dennis Rodman, part Ryu Hayabusa juggernaut that is.....Raven (notice the blatent allusion to Bleach)!!!!! http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb052.gif

Ok, enough of speaking truths too horrible to bare.

Man, this new iteration of VF seems to be huge. The new evade, movement, and collision mechanics will require me to re-learn my characters all over again because the effectiveness and usability of my character movesets might change drastically.

http://emoticons4u.com/cartoon/1263.gif Akira will be an absolute beast this time around, because his ability to stagger opponents is unparalleled.

[Z]

Button Mashing doesn't work AT ALL in VF, that's why I stopped playing it >.> I sucked, I've grown too accostumed to SF, Marvel Vs Capcom, KOF, Samurai Showdown and Last Samurai and there pace and the sheer madness going on screen ^.^. VF requires a lot of precise timing, more so then pulling off a fatality in Mortal Kombat. Insanly balanced game though.

lol, that is because you are combaring a 2D fighter to a 3D one. they are so different that some- including me- put them in two different genre.
this reminds me of the very first time I saw and played Tekken 1 at a mall. I instantly tryied to string combos to shoot some fire balls and get the crazy lightning and sprites to blow up the screen! soon, I was like, man this game is slow... but there was something about it. little did I know it was love at first sight. would you believe the most anticipated PS3 game for me is actually Tekken?! I want to say MGS4. I want to say DMC4. I want to say Killzone. but the heart wasnts what the heart wants. I can't lie to myself ;P

PS. I always dreamed of a fight between Akira and Kazuia (you can use Jin now instead).

[woundingchaney]

Have you ever played VF4's Kumite mode? Button mashing will get you no where against the CPU on medium to higher ranks. The AI is actually remarkably good for a fighter, way ahead of anything else in the genre (they tuned individual AIs based on the patterns of top flight Japanese competitors). But yeah, a fighter is naturally at its best when there's a chess game between two human opponents on the same level. And VF is peerless in that department.


Easy LiverKick, yeah I have played Kumite and actually VF is my favorite 3d fighter, I was just speaking of fighters in general in my post and the ease associated with beating the single player/storyline game. Kumite is actually somewhat of a different mode, sure a button masher could make it through the first few levels but as the difficulty increases they dont stand a chance, although I dont see as to how this differs from other games in their survival modes (although kumite does up the anty over other games). The main reason why I havent played VF3 since its earlier release on the PS2 is its lack of online.

[Smokey]

im a button MASHER it works every time

[Nodieza]

^ Button mashing works on Soul Calibur as a few certain characters that I wont name because we ALL know who they are ^.^ I play with Hwrang in SC, Ken in SF, Sol or the ninja guy in Guilty gear<k Kazuia in VF and then Akira or the monk guy (dont remember name) in VF. I like speedy characters except in Tekken...

My next gen dream would be a remake of Street Fighter Alpha 3 with "INSANO-sprites" and yes these sprites would be so insane that Capcom would copyright the "INSANO-sprite technology" and it would rock ^.^ J\k of course, but at least they need to get on par with Guilty gear visually, that would make my day... now I wanna play street fighter... Darn you forums! the "power of suggestion" you bring, your just like a commercial ^.^ peace!

[woundingchaney]

It will be ok Nod I as well am a Street Fighter fan from back in the day. Although, capcom seriously needs to breathe some life into the failing series. I would prefer SF remain 2d with an over haul of gameplay features (and for the love of god redo the character sprites and background detail). What I really want to see is a next gen Samurai Showdown, Killer Instinct, and KOF. As far as 3d fighters Im greatly anticipating VF5, currently playing DOA4, but havent been a big Tekken fan since Tekken 3.

[Z]

im a button MASHER it works every time
that's because you haven't faced me yet, lol.

and Wounding, Tekken 3 was the best version..until Tekken 5 that is. if you have a PS2, I seriously advise you trying it :)
and I agree with you about SF being out dated. they seriously need to learn from Sammy and what they've done with GG.

[Fats]

No Z! Tekken 2 was the greatest! :)

[Nodieza]

Tekken Tag for life!! *cough* Ha, just kidding of course.

3 or 5 is the best... can't decide, I am one for the new but Tekken 3 had a much faster pace... 5 just looks so pretty ^.^...

I liked Alpha 3 mechanics, dont' really want them to change it much, I just wish they'd update the sprites and backrounds as you mentioned wounding.

Wounding, by the way I still haven't forgotten about your offer of the book, I am looking into that stuff just been busy lately and thank you again.

[woundingchaney]

Wounding, by the way I still haven't forgotten about your offer of the book, I am looking into that stuff just been busy lately and thank you again.


Dont worry about it Nod it aint going nowhere.

[Z]

I liked Alpha 3 mechanics, dont' really want them to change it much, I just wish they'd update the sprites and backrounds as you mentioned wounding.
I wasn't talking about changing the system, but rather an appearence overhall to keep up with the 2D times.
No Z! Tekken 2 was the greatest!
what? Tekken 3 introduced the best and most number of new characters; (watch out for spelling!) Xinayo, Howrang, Eddey, Jin, Bryan, the wooden punching doll. and let us not forget Dr. Malkonoviche. did you know that I reached the final boss in Tekken Force with him? trydoing that, lol.
they also had nice touches like Hehatchi getting old with Paul and Lee. Law hand longer hair and Lee had his son/nephew to play insted of him, Julia (was it her) got her doughter in place of her. these touches gave it a sense that some time have Ogre's two forms were good as well. I brought pain with his first form ;)
Tekken Tag for life!! *cough* Ha, just kidding of course.
actually, alot agree with you. I oly picj 3 since it is more involving story wise than Tag. although Tag had all the characters and a killer looking final boss! not to mention the Tag gameplay edition was great. I have no idea why they took it out since :?


may there be a Tekken at launch *the room chants 'amen'*

[woundingchaney]

that's because you haven't faced me yet, lol.

and Wounding, Tekken 3 was the best version..until Tekken 5 that is. if you have a PS2, I seriously advise you trying it :)
and I agree with you about SF being out dated. they seriously need to learn from Sammy and what they've done with GG.


I had it prior to selling my PS2 and I enjoyed the title but there is just some magic that 3 had that wasnt captured in 5 (imo).


Oh and the lack of online play was just unforgivable for me, Im getting a little years on me and Im not exactly able to have a few friends over to play Tekken (at least not if I expect my girlfriend to to give me any happy happy, she has a hard enough time accepting the fact that Im a serious gamer let alone having my obnoxious friends over). Once I started playing fighting games online I dont think I will ever go back.

[Junox50]

Nevermind

[Nodieza]

There is actually lots of rumors going around that Tekken Tag 2 (would it be 2?) will be a ps3 launch title because they wouldn't have enough time to make Tekken 6 so a Tekken Tag would fall in line. Wouldn't bother me much as long as they do make a Tekken 6.

So which is better Tekken 4 or Tekken Tag? I didn't play either much. Tag didn't have any videos right? I love the videos so much, gives me a reason to play with EVERY character.

I need to get the full version of Tekken 3, Arcade mode isn't enough.. no vids or special modes.

[Z]

So which is better Tekken 4 or Tekken Tag?
lets just pretend T4 never happened...
Tag didn't have any videos right?
not CG ones (movie quality). only the final boss (and the opening may have been CG as well. can't remember. been too long).
I need to get the full version of Tekken 3, Arcade mode isn't enough.. no vids or special modes.
yeah, that was a major turn off for me. I only wanted the old versions just to see the video endings.
There is actually lots of rumors going around that Tekken Tag 2 (would it be 2?) will be a ps3 launch title because they wouldn't have enough time to make Tekken 6 so a Tekken Tag would fall in line.
that is why I say some kind of Tekken game. I don't believe they can make a full fledged sequel at launch. but it doesn't have to be Tag neither. they can think up anything similar. just through in a number of Tekken fighters and voila. they don't even have to have CG endings or any serious stories behind each character.

I can't wait till E3 to hopefully see Tekken footage! at least show me some in-game pics!!

[Danji]

The only good that came from Tekken 4 was Jin Kazama's hoodie. other than that I really don't want to remember that game..

man, I'm just enjoying the hell out of Tekken 5. It's just driving me nuts how much I want to kazuya out! The only compensation i have is Guitar Hero and Soul calibur III, both of which rock. Buwhaha.

[julps31]

The only good that came from Tekken 4 was Jin Kazama's hoodie. other than that I really don't want to remember that game..

man, I'm just enjoying the hell out of Tekken 5. It's just driving me nuts how much I want to kazuya out! The only compensation i have is Guitar Hero and Soul calibur III, both of which rock. Buwhaha.Yea...Tekken 5 is definantly the best in the series IMO. I can't wait to see what we get next-gen from Tekken. Know talk about a great fighter. They can only go up from here.

[Danji]

So here's a thought for everyone here that I've been resisting talking about until now. If this is how good VF5 looks on higher PC hardware (P4 with 512MB RAM and a GeForce6800U) imagine how Tekken will look on the PS3 with it's superior specs (especially the RSX, great god!)

The thought occurs to you, "where do we go from here?!?" and the answer to that is simple. The Cell wouldn't be doing too much doing your standard fighting game. Sure you could spruce it up with an Ultimate survival mode where the AI learns using the 2 SPU plan. One runs the AI (or the PPU could) and the extra SPU monitors your movements and alters the AI (as to appear to be learning) based on those notations made by it. The most hard-core survival mode ever...dang. Better come with a Tekken game.

But that's not just all. There are still 5-6 SPUs doing nothing..so what do you have them do? Alleviate load times by Procedural Synthesis and...you guessed it. Turn them into Polygon Boasting Beasts (or PBBs as I call it.) David B. Kirk is quoted as stating (and others have verified it) that a single SPE's max Polygong output is 800m. If you apply a texture it halves it but you have to remember that there are 5-6 free SPUs in the above situation.

We will see great improvements over the time that the PS3 is out, that is for sure, and I'm sure that with each new fighting game (of high quality and PS3 specific) we will see a sizable graphical leap. However, until then, I'm amazed at Tekken 5 still o_o *drooling*

[GTShotoKen]

I liked Alpha 3 mechanics, dont' really want them to change it much, I just wish they'd update the sprites and backrounds as you mentioned wounding.

I would rather the Alpha franchise take after SFIII in terms of play mechanics and fluidity (I don't want the ism system to go though).

I also agree with updating the sprites, but I want them to be even more high-quality than the SFIII sprites and have many more animations than even those shown in SFIII.

It would be cool to also take after the variable battle system from SFA3 Max and the Vs. franchises.

I don't see much of a huge leap in progression for the tekken series other than greater interactive environments (possibly even multi-tiered).

A new final boss character that is actually human and fights with a martial arts style unrealted to the Mishima style, wouldn't hurt either.

When it comes to Virtua Fighter...I have to say again that the game needs better back stories, CG cutscenes, and an actual boss character most of all (other than Dural who just copies moves).

I would love a Quest mode that mirrors the better aspects of Shenmue. Now that would be crazy.

[Z]

So here's a thought for everyone here that I've been resisting talking about until now. If this is how good VF5 looks on higher PC hardware (P4 with 512MB RAM and a GeForce6800U) imagine how Tekken will look on the PS3 with it's superior specs (especially the RSX, great god!)


why not ask the same for VF on PS3? since they can do those visuals (whiuch definitly look better than Jiggly Wiggly on X2) they can only get beter on PS3. even if they can make a VF5 for launch with little to no change, the next one would be great. Tekken SC and VF have always been great and a head of the curve- though Namco is a head in graphics.

your ideas are interesting Danji :)

also, I agree with Gaming Guru, the main reason I never really gotten into VF (and even SC) is that they aren't story heavy or have good CG endings for their characters. that is a very important thing for me- and Namco has been spoiling me rotten with the Tekken franchise. which is another reason I hated Tekken 4.

but even IF the next VF won't have CG endings, I will still give it a seriouse go since I love 3D fighters and the VF seriouse is sure up there with Tekken in control and fighting quality.

[Junox50]

also, I agree with Gaming Guru, the main reason I never really gotten into VF (and even SC) is that they aren't story heavy or have good CG endings for their characters. that is a very important thing for me- and Namco has been spoiling me rotten with the Tekken franchise. which is another reason I hated Tekken 4.


Tekken's been floundering lately in the story department. Most of the endings are comical and pointless, not really adding much to the characters.

Soul Calibur's is of a different issue.

[venomv]

I'd grab or at least rent SC3 Z, I hate fighting game stories as a rule, they just always seem to suck really bad. but SC3 is different, I hated the stories in 1/2 but in 3 i accually felt like I was doing something rather then fighting a few fights. Not to mention Namco makes both of them, so even if they are two differnt team, which I don't think they are, if on has a good story eventually the other one will probably get help.

[nwo504]

we need a new 3d fighter to compete

[venomv]

VF, Tekken, DOA, and SC and there are probably more, MK is 3D now too isn't it? And those are just the big ones, I think we have plenty.

[nwo504]

we need a fresh 3d fighting game. they had some on xbox but they all blew

[Junox50]

I'd grab or at least rent SC3 Z, I hate fighting game stories as a rule, they just always seem to suck really bad. but SC3 is different, I hated the stories in 1/2 but in 3 i accually felt like I was doing something rather then fighting a few fights. Not to mention Namco makes both of them, so even if they are two differnt team, which I don't think they are, if on has a good story eventually the other one will probably get help.

I think Namco does have 2 seperate teams, one that works on SC and the other does Tekken. I recall they both worked on the game Urban Reign together, which didnt turn out too good.

[Z]

I'd grab or at least rent SC3, Z
I have it. pritty nice graphics! but the controls were too different for me to get into. I didn't even complete the story mode with one character. so I don't know if it has CG endings. does it?
I think Namco does have 2 seperate teams,
oh yeah, they may share some assets and such but they are totally different teams. Tekken team lended them Heahatchi and Yushimitsu for SC2. pritty nice touch!

about VF controlls; it felt strange for me to push square to block. I always pushed the back arrow to block in almost all the fighters (2D or 3D) I played.

about other 3D fighters, I wouldn't mind seeing Tobal making a comeback ;)

[Junox50]

I have it. pritty nice graphics! but the controls were too different for me to get into. I didn't even complete the story mode with one character. so I don't know if it has CG endings. does it?



No. The SC3 endings are in game cut scenes. From what I've seen, only the intro that comes up when you start the game is in CG.




oh yeah, they may share some assets and such but they are totally different teams. Tekken team lended them Heahatchi and Yushimitsu for SC2. pritty nice touch!



I thought that, but wasnt sure. Thanks for clearing that up.

[venomv]

I think Namco does have 2 seperate teams, one that works on SC and the other does Tekken. I recall they both worked on the game Urban Reign together, which didnt turn out too good.

OK that is what confused me, I played the Urban Reign demo, which sucked horrably, and they said from the makers of Tekken and Soul Caliber.

[warmachine]

Ruliweb shows a 3 min. footage of Sarah fighting Akira from Virtua Fighter 5.

CLICK (http://www.ultrashare.de/f/9849/VF5AOU1.zip)

[NickSCFC]

Despite being the greatest fighting game ever created, Virtua Fighter 3 was indeed quite gay...

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/images2/biggaysex.jpg
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http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/images2/gayshocker1.jpghttp://www.ukresistance.co.uk/images2/gayshocker2.jpg

[Killing Moon]

Well, from viewing this video, it looks good, but still appears to be the same thing. I dunno', when thinking of a next-gen fighting game, I was hoping for MUCH more than this. Even the animations are the same.

VF is still a great game n' all, but seriously. Can we evolve already?

[Ravster]

Damn, aint played Virtua Fighter for quite some time now. The vid looks cool, dont recognise any of the characters though.....:(

[woundingchaney]

we need a fresh 3d fighting game. they had some on xbox but they all blew


Aint that the truth.


In all honesty I thought Fight Club could have been a solid title if they put more effort into it, I like some of the concepts just that the game itself was overly flawed.

[venomv]

What they need to finally do right is the game style, whatever you call it, that Urban Reign I think MK Subzero, and countless others have tryed. Mixing fighting games with adventure games, and doing it right, I really want them to be good every time I see them, but they are always WAY to repeatitive. Heck Urban Reign has ONE attack button.

[GTShotoKen]

Well, from viewing this video, it looks good, but still appears to be the same thing. I dunno', when thinking of a next-gen fighting game, I was hoping for MUCH more than this. Even the animations are the same.

VF is still a great game n' all, but seriously. Can we evolve already?

Well, you can't really give much credit for Tekken 5 either since technically, Namco took a step back in game design from Tekken 4.

What both games do is severely improve the fluidity of the animations and make them more physically accurate with the motion of the fighter's body.

I've already noticed tweaked animations the Akira vs. Sarah video.

Of course many new moves will be added for each character.

Fighting is all about refinement. Virtua Fighter 3tb pushed the envelope and flopped, Tekken 4 pushed the envelope and flopped, and DOA has made some great innovations in the fighting genre at the cost of shallowing its fighting system.

What evey franchise has done recently is go back to what made their fighting games great (the actual combat) and refined the hell out of it.

All of these franchises have evolved themselves by essentially de-evolving to what made their fighting mechanics great at their core.

I think we will eventually see these fighting games go through a huge revolution, but they have to perfect their core mechanics first.

[The_One]

Well, from viewing this video, it looks good, but still appears to be the same thing. I dunno', when thinking of a next-gen fighting game, I was hoping for MUCH more than this. Even the animations are the same.

VF is still a great game n' all, but seriously. Can we evolve already? The same can be said about DOA4 and many other fighters. More interaction with terrain, better graphics (and possibly physics) and pretty much more boob bouncing (at least for DOA4), and that's about it.

I played DOA2:Hardcore on the PS2, and DOA4's character movement still looks extremely familiar. I mean, this is a fighting game we're talking about. The basic animations will most likely be used over and over simply because it saves time.

[Z]

I love what they did with DefJam 2. I loved the arcady fast past over the top mayham. it's the Burnout of fighters!
All of these franchises have evolved themselves by essentially de-evolving to what made their fighting mechanics great at their core.
I wouldn't put it that way. they way I see it is that they experimented and it didn't work. they don't want to repeat a mistake, so the parts that didn't work were taken off from the next version. I give them credit for trying.
[QUOTE]I think we will eventually see these fighting games go through a huge revolution, but they have to perfect their core mechanics first.[/QUOTEof course. these are still 'fighting' games. get the fighting right, then you can play with side projects (like Tekken Force, Guilty Gear 2D scrolling, etc). but get the core game right. if you do, fans will tolerate any failed experiments. :)

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I love what they did with DefJam 2. I loved the arcady fast past over the top mayham. it's the Burnout of fighters!

I wouldn't put it that way. they way I see it is that they experimented and it didn't work. they don't want to repeat a mistake, so the parts that didn't work were taken off from the next version. I give them credit for trying.
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