Josh Robinson's Article on PS3 from Downinfront.tv

[Sephiroth_VII]

source (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/sony-insider-deleted-for-ps3-comments-148088.php)
This was probably just more bullshit, but why was it deleted?
Is this real, and if so, was it deleted bacause it broke the NDA?

[Viper]

Isn't this that Josh guy we've been posting about already?

[xbdestroya]

Yeah it is. The article's gone forever so it's like it deserves to be preserved in a thread, but at the same time this is days old discussion.

[Miyahon]

he's pretty harsh. It sounds logical but he could be another seriousgamer007. I must say that's a big OUCH if it's true.
Remember i said IF.

[xbdestroya]

Well if the debate's gonna start again, I might as well link to the proper thread(s):

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=48687&page=33

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=50585

Also this article from the front page pretty much addresses all the points Josh Robinson's going on about:

Article (http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=17&m_articles_articleid=308&PHPSESSID=59d661239226c9547c7a908345952a34)

[Effulgence]

Everything there sounded pretty reasonable. Especially the part about us not seeing the PS3's true potential until its been out for a year. Then again, isnt that customary for most systems?

[Metal Sphere]

But he says it as if the PS3 is far more worthy of that criticism than, say the Xbox 360, which looks like it'll end the year with games that very much fail to meet the "next-gen" criteria.

Heck, he even completely discredits himself when he says people he spoke to told him the Xbox 360 is better, but couldn't name the reasons because he had no idea what they were talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if his ass got fired, but at least let some SERIOUS news out. From his comments, it sounds like his ass was excluded from all the concrete work on the console.

[Miyahon]

^ good point. Like I said this does wreak of fakeness.

[xbdestroya]

Well if there's any confusion, I can confirm he's been fired.

[Metal Sphere]

Well if there's any confusion, I can confirm he's been fired.

Well, I've seen a list of his credentials and where he worked and what-not, but the fact that he's basically talking out of his ass about the console (literally, the only positive points made seem to have been placed there only to make it seem "balanced"). The point is, he's making ignorant statements that do nothing but hurt the company.

XB, could you link us to where you found out he was fired?

[xbdestroya]

Well, I've seen a list of his credentials and where he worked and what-not, but the fact that he's basically talking out of his ass about the console (literally, the only positive points made seem to have been placed there only to make it seem "balanced"). The point is, he's making ignorant statements that do nothing but hurt the company.

XB, could you link us to where you found out he was fired?

Well, my views on the man himself and his statements are in that article I linked to earlier, but as for how I know he's been fired:

Just in case someone still cares
He's no more a SOE employee.


Vysez: Do you work for Sony?
Hell naw!

But I know people who work for SOE,. That is, if you're asking me why I know what's going on there.

Not that I'm happy he's been fired mind you; a man's job isn't a fair price to assuage the ire of some Sony fans, but he should have known better before posting what he did knowing how things can spread on the Internet.

PS - For those that don't know Vysez, I will vouch for him and say that if he is saying this with certainty, then it is 100% trustworthy. But you'd have to figure something's up anyway if all this guy's posts and his article disappeared over the past few days anyway, y'know?

Link (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=671034&postcount=182)

Link (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=671977&postcount=276)

[Sypher]

This article article and everything around it reaks. If this Josh character was fired then obviously he has been around, and probably seen more than your average person of the PS3. Still his comments don't really surprise me. Taking into account the entire timeline of conception and production of a console, his opinions/observations sound about right. The PS3 is NOT a finished product and so while his views may seem semi anti-Sony, they do seem to have a credibility.

[cliffbo]

conspiricy theory here what if he was only dissing the ps3 because he was offered money from gates & co and perhaps a job aswell.? LOL.

[Rizon]

Just a question here, Can anyone have proof of his position at Sony?
For all we know he could be some form of tea dude that saw some people playing with the dev kits.

The fact he hasnt got a clue with some of the technical wording questions the reliablity of his stark claims about the unfinished ps3.

Quote:
"My job was primarily asset creation. "
Im sorry, but doesnt this job require a knowledge of how these systems work?

Quote:
"They proceeded to go into a lot of technical info that I don’t understand. So I just nod."
Well, hold on, with his extensive knowledge he should be able to at least shade a bit of light on what they were talking about.

In my view its fake.

[xbdestroya]

Rizon it's not fake. Just deal with it. http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/happy/winksmile.gif

The guy is/was a 3D artist working for Sony Online Entertainment - so he's not a 'dev' in the traditional sense you may think about it, and there's nothing out of line with him not knowing about the 'spec' side of things and what it means. If you search around, his resume is on the web, as are some of the projects he's worked on, and I assure you he's plenty legitimate. So please people, no reason to question this guy's credibility.

The simple facts are that he's *not* technology oriented, and he wouldn't have that great of an insight into the dev kits anyway. Please also remember that Sony Online Entertainment is primarily a PC-oriented company, and is not related to Sony Computer Entertainment - the division run by Kutaragi and behind the Playstation.

Seriously just go and read this:Article (http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=17&m_articles_articleid=308&PHPSESSID=59d661239226c9547c7a908345952a34)

[Domination]

Well, my views on the man himself and his statements are in that article I linked to earlier, but as for how I know he's been fired:





Not that I'm happy he's been fired mind you; a man's job isn't a fair price to assuage the ire of some Sony fans, but he should have known better before posting what he did knowing how things can spread on the Internet.

PS - For those that don't know Vysez, I will vouch for him and say that if he is saying this with certainty, then it is 100% trustworthy. But you'd have to figure something's up anyway if all this guy's posts and his article disappeared over the past few days anyway, y'know?

Link (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=671034&postcount=182)

Link (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=671977&postcount=276)

I don't usually buy into stuff like this, but even I began questioning his background when I went to scraping up related news about that artical. He should have known better. He must be kicking himself right now.

BTW, the topic should be changed to something more comprehensive. I didn't even know what it was until I entered.

[Miyahon]

Well he may have broken NDA, but it could also mean Sony got a hold of him and gave him a cease and desist for making up crap.

It's one way or another big news. I've always said the PS3 was new technology and was difficult to develop for but somethng about this article seems off.

[cpiasminc]

"My job was primarily asset creation. "
Im sorry, but doesnt this job require a knowledge of how these systems work?
Not really. They simply have to know how to create in whatever tools they're using and the specs are basically given to them by their leads. A lead will tell them "make the sure the in-game model is under xxx polys and the texture is such and such resolution, etc.." and the guy just follows suit. I know a guy who's a terrific modeller/animator and he doesn't have the technical knowledge to know what normals are, yet he knows how to make normal maps.

In any case, the real NDA-breaking parts wasn't the talk about the console, I think... in the full post, he talks about the title he's working on and how it's progressing and goes into some measure of detail about how the scheduling keeps on changing and the game is suffering for it. That's a lot worse NDA-wise than anything he said about the console as the console info is really not very meaty on information.

He also says that his team didn't really have a whole lot of devkits -- which given that it was SOE and not SCEA or something, makes some bit of sense. The online arm of Sony is going to be more concerned with things on the end of the main servers that are going to be running the darn thing, managing requests and synching all the clients. The only people who need devkits on a full-time basis are the ones who are working on client-side things (rendering, user controls, gameplay, etc.). Most any developer, even first-party is generally very chintzy when it comes to devkits -- if you don't absolutely need it for your work, then you're not getting one. Even if you need it for one or two tasks in the short term, you'll just have to temporarily borrow one or share an office with someone who has one permanently.

[Rizon]

Okay, very good points.

I believe you now. I stand down.