psm: Playstation Live ...No Try Playstation Life

[Kb-smoker]

http://www.psmonline.com/

in teh PSM:

pretty big article, here are the main parts.

"President of Sony has made it clear that his company has an amibitious new online strategy."

"Cast aside any doubts and start gazing toward skyward, because thats where Sony is aiming with plans that go far beyond simple leaderboards and matchmaking."

"Sony has just delivered the final development hardware to U.S. game developers. We can confirm that developers have already begun meetings with Sony's support teams to make sure their games are compatible with the yet unnamed Online Service."

"Its very real, one source tells us. They (Sony) are dead serious about it. They've declared a full on assault on the latest version of Xbox Live!"

"The online service is being designed to also work with the PSP and its games. Think one, BIG Playstation network!"

edit: here the the close up scan of the article

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/lilstunna24/Final.jpg

[Generic Wheaties]

YAY! The news i've been waiting for!

[Fillibuster]

OOOO It's gonna be more than I can handle.

[cliffbo]

Yeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaa! hellllooooooo bigtime. something to crow about at last

[cliffbo]

Xb don't be ballanced i wanna hear you Yeee Haaa just once

[CARTIER90]

I think this deserves a full on , uncensored FUCK YEAH !!!!!!!

[woundingchaney]

Excellent news. Did they mention a time in which the online platform will be up and running (as in a year after launch or right away)?:aimhappy:

[cliffbo]

kb where`s the full article ?

[Kb-smoker]

here is how it looks.

not sure if this is allowed here. If not please mods just delete this post.

You really can't see anything.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/lilstunna24/Ps2.jpg

[CARTIER90]

oh my question has allready been answered ^^^.....um maybe a larger res pic, this is too important a time to care about copyright !!!!, just for 5 minutes ??? :) then take it down ..who know ?

[julps31]

What issue is that man? I've posted links to my mags before so it shouldn't be a problem. Thanks for the news mans.

[CARTIER90]

WTF !!! , that goes back to September !!!!!,.....'twilight zone' music starts :)

[cliffbo]

kb can you give us it in lovely hires

[Viper]

You may post the images, KB.

[Sypher]

I think I just peed a little bit!! THIS IS WHAT WE NEEDED! Its funny but these simple quotes sorta makeup for 2-3 months of info-drought......or maybe im just desperate for PS3 news.

[cliffbo]

if your not going to post a hires pick then at least give us some juicy morsals from the article. i mean if you've posted this and gone to bed i'll find out where you live sneak in through the window and replace your ps2 with a 360. you have been warned.

[xbdestroya]

Xb don't be ballanced i wanna hear you Yeee Haaa just once

LOL, uh no.... :smoke:

I was already expecting something to this effect anyway, but this really does seem to be 'bigger' and 'larger' than I would have guessed. Great find by the way Kb, and thanks for posting it.

Incidently if this is from... February's PSM right? That's probably an indication that the Feb 'event' will focus on this online aspect some. But again that scan is really rather unreadable, so Kb we're depending on you to kind of break it down for us.

What I'd like to know, is how many quotes are attributed to Sony execs, and how many of those quotes are recent/things we haven't seen before? I know PSM sometimes posts articles that are an amalgam of past quotes and such. And how many of the quotes just plain back up the notion that Live is being targeted for take-down?

Trying to get a sense for how much of this is PSM guessing/hyping and how much is 'real.' The cross-platform service of course is something to expect, as Harrison said as much himself a couple of months ago.

I do hope that more information is forthcoming in the next couple of days/weeks.

[Infernal]

Why does the link lead to the November issue of PSM... Is this just an old article about PSM's speculation and nothing new... God I hope not.

[cliffbo]

What I'd like to know, is how many quotes are attributed to Sony execs, and how many of those quotes are recent/things we haven't seen before? I know PSM sometimes posts articles that are an amalgam of past quotes and such. And how many of the quotes just plain back up the notion that Live is being targeted for take-down?

i was expecting this too lol
lean on him Xb ban him if he doesn't spill the beans (only joking there...phew)

[cliffbo]

Why does the link lead to the November issue of PSM... Is this just an old article about PSM's speculation and nothing new... God I hope not.

shhhh don't say a word. please tell me this aint true cos i'm having my doubts too

[xbdestroya]

Well, I *really* don't think this is from a past PSM, right? I just think that their site has not been updated in some time.

[whiteknight]

If someone doesn't post the full article I think I'm going to cry. ;-;

[cliffbo]

Well, I *really* don't think this is from a past PSM, right? I just think that their site has not been updated in some time.

its a first. thank you so much Xb

[Raijin]

Now I have my doubts on the article... From which PSM does it come from?

[cliffbo]

If someone doesn't post the full article I think I'm going to cry. ;-;

i've got the rope and the razors ready. i'm ready to crack.

[Powercell]

It says final kits have been shipped to devs, if that info is correct then it's from the newest issue.

[BlueTsunami]

Supposedley the article also states that the final Devkits have been delivered to some developers. If thats truely in the article, then it has to be the newest PSM.

[koldfuzion]

This is hardly a surprise. It would be surprising if they didn't have a hardcore online strategy. KK has been talking about networked cell based gaming for ages, which by definition has an online implementation. However, I'm curious if this article sheds light on a) what features it has to offer (beyond what Live offers--that would be interesting indeed and b) PRICE. Hopefully it's either free or the very (I think) manageable under $10 bucks a month M$ charges. Please Sony just don't piss me off with microtransactions. I'd rather pay $15/mo bucks for all u can eat than get nickeled and dimed to death in the PLAYSTATION marketplace" paying for wallpaper and god knows what else. Great find tho. :) Doubt it says much about b) but hopefully some light is shed on a).

[cliffbo]

well if i had that article at my disposal i would be cutting and pasting all over the shop. doubts i hate them but why no more posts Kb. if this is old speculation at least tell us

[julps31]

Thats from a new issue of PSM becuase they have a shot from CES. And the newest issue I have is before CES. Its definantly not from the issue on PSM's homepage because I got that issue and this isn't in it. Plus they never really update there website. So I guess KB just posted for good measure without thinking.

[cliffbo]

Thats from a new issue of PSM becuase they have a shot from CES. And the newest issue I have is before CES. Its definantly not from the issue on PSM's homepage because I got that issue and this isn't in it. Plus they never really update there website. So I guess KB just posted for good measure without thinking.

are you saying that the headlines are old then. 'playstation live, think playstation life' jeeeeessuss H Christ. this is a lie isn't it!

[frosty]

Come on guys, what did you expect? This is Sony we are talking about.

[julps31]

Thats from a new issue of PSM becuase they have a shot from CES. And the newest issue I have is before CES. Its definantly not from the issue on PSM's homepage because I got that issue and this isn't in it. Plus they never really update there website. So I guess KB just posted for good measure without thinking.are you saying that the headlines are old then. 'playstation live, think playstation life' jeeeeessuss H Christ. this is a lie isn't it!Lol..no i'm saying the scan KB posted was from a new issue (new headlines) that I don't have. And he posted a link to PSM online (old issue) without thinking.

[cliffbo]

Come on guys, what did you expect? This is Sony we are talking about.

what do you mean by this? surely you can't be blaming Sony for a possible eronious thread or are you saying it stands to reason that they would have online plans to rival microsoft

[Kb-smoker]

Lol..no i'm saying the scan KB posted was from a new issue (new headlines) that I don't have. And he posted a link to PSM online (old issue) without thinking.
i posted a link to home page of the mag.

i don't have this mag and getting my info from other people. I should get the new PSM mag this week sometime. I PM zbox over at teamxbox to type out the rest for me.

[xbdestroya]

I'm going out to eat right now, so I trust that when I get back we'll have more info. Cliffbo, I *know* you could condense your posts into like, one third the amount for this thread. :smoke:

Also the website is just not current. It's not Sony's fault or anyone else's. It simply does not matter... website's just 'behind.' Ok off to eat - hopefully we'll have word by word text to analyze when I return.

[julps31]

i posted a link to home page of the mag.

i don't have this mag and getting my info from other people. I should get the new PSM mag this week sometime. I PM zbox over at teamxbox to type out the rest for me.Yeah I should be getting it soon too. But the issue on PSM's homepage is from November I think. You might of had a different cover if you have the issue (I know I did) but thats a old issue. But the artical is from a more recent issue than that one.

[cliffbo]

Lol..no i'm saying the scan KB posted was from a new issue (new headlines) that I don't have. And he posted a link to PSM online (old issue) without thinking.

phew... if i squint at the scan i can just make out the words 'go ahead, jump for joy.'

[RavenFox]

Need info..systems on low...need more info arghhhhh

[BruceWayneIII]

Phil Harrison already indicated that. I am not surprised:

Harrison did commend Microsoft with regard to the success of the Xbox Live service, telling the audience: "Microsoft has done a lot of things right, and there are certainly things that are going to form the model for many of the high quality consumer experiences that we will deliver with PS3."

"But I think our role is always to go beyond, to push further," he continued.

"I'm not in a position today to share with you all the details but PS3 was a network platform from the very beginning, and that is designed into every aspect of the machine."

However, Harrison did state that Sony is planning to offer a "more open platform" -a service that will give consumers access to content which is either free, or sold by publishers themselves.

"Perhaps distinct from our competitors, we are happy for other publishers to form their own commercial relationships directly with the consumer," he said.

"We want other companies to see the PS3 as a platform that they can exploit for their content, services and communities."

Sony ONLY stated that the business model wouldn't be unified - NOT the technology or features...

THEY WILL DELIVER, right?

[frosty]

what do you mean by this? surely you can't be blaming Sony for a possible eronious thread or are you saying it stands to reason that they would have online plans to rival microsoft

I was saying that the 2 time champions of the console business should be expected to produce an online service that will rival xbox live. It comes as no suprise to me.

[cliffbo]

I was saying that the 2 time champions of the console business should be expected to produce an online service that will rival xbox live. It comes as no suprise to me.

thanks for clarifying that. i can comb down my eckles now lol

[Ben-N1ce]

The link is to PSM in 2005 which also has an article on PS3 online. Sorry don't believe it until I see the scans

[julps31]

The link is to PSM in 2005 which also has an article on PS3 online. Sorry don't believe it until I see the scansThe pic from the scan is obviously from CES man. 2006... And like I said before the PSM website hasn't been updated since last year.

[Ben-N1ce]

The pic from the scan is obviously from CES man. 2006... And like I said before the PSM website hasn't been updated since last year.

Well that cover had an article that was "PS3 online how to beat live". Sorry makes me skeptical.

[RavenFox]

Well that cover had an article that was "PS3 online how to beat live". Sorry makes me skeptical.
Did you look at the page posted?

[cliffbo]

just to clarify: the link to PSM shows an old cover. while the scan is from the new magazine not out yet. i think kb posted the link to PSM without realizing it showed an old cover. relax... i'm beginning to believe it myself.

[Kb-smoker]

litle more.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/lilstunna24/Final.jpg

[cliffbo]

i can go to bed now...phew

[Illmatic]

Cheers for the scan KB. Very interesting news, let's just hope these plans are really in the works. Hopefully we hear official word on it soon.

Off topic but, am i the only one feeling a bit skeptic about this 'Feb event' now, i mean we're a day off from Feb and there hasn't even been an official announcement of any kind, even a date!

[woundingchaney]

Cheers for the scan KB. Very interesting news, let's just hope these plans are really in the works. Hopefully we hear official word on it soon.

Off topic but, am i the only one feeling a bit skeptic about this 'Feb event' now, i mean we're a day off from Feb and there hasn't even been an official announcement of any kind, even a date!


I have been skeptical since I first heard about it :smile: . Although Sony is going to have to come off of some info soon and show running titles, even if to simply prove to the public that there is a PS3 and it isnt just a figment of our imaginations.

[jaxmkii]

Nice...

[xbdestroya]

Thanks for the enlarged scan Kb.

Anyway I think it's safe to say that Sony has a very networked vision in mind. They did with the PS2 as well, and that kind of fell short, but frankly I take their having had this 'grand vision' for so long as an indication that they really want to deliver on it this time with PS3, rather than an indication that it's all 'promises and lies,' as some would rather believe.

There's not anything decidedly new in that article, but the dev comments are pretty strong. I personally am looking forward to what they will end up offering. Like Koldfuzion I'm wondering what the price will be and how they will model it, and it makes me think that like I suspected earlier, those surveys that went out earlier were to par down from a list of features Sony was already prepared to implement, and to execute on a service that is the best mix of what people want and what will be best for Sony cost-wise.

[Handycrap101]

Ohhh lord.. Where was I.... I missed the rush. Oh well. This is some exciting news indeed and will def make me sleep easier tonight. I blame GT4 for me missing this info (or being late rather). I want so know some info about the features they are matching and ADDING to the service. That will be intriguing. And if they can intigrate it with some form of Linux then well...

[OmniCloud]

Good find...I'm gonna renew my subscription to PSM now...But, I wonder what they can actually do to go beyond Xbox Live? So there's the obvious thing like face-to-face chating in the lobby. But hell, their already coming out with Eye-Toy chat in a couple months for PS2. So that's not anything big-anyone with a web cam can do that on the computer. Xbox Live market place sucks a little to me, but I guess it expands the online genre. They also brought in Spectator mode, which again, is sort of sucky to me. (Are these people even real gamers that come up with this stuff?) So what the hell can Sony do besides make a smoother online experience with less lag? well, here's my 2 cents...

1) Direct connect-I think I posted this somewhere before but I would love if PS3's could connect directly to each other for smaller multiplayer sessions...this would decrease a lot of lag. And for the people who are still waiting for broadband to get even more cheaper,-(ME!) this would be a simple and easy way to play a close buddy right down the block without a high-speed service.

2) Even more community-I want to pause the game, and instantly chat with some1 in my buddy list-with face-to-face chat. (if we both have Eyetoy of course) I wanna know when a hot-game is going on, even when I'm offline. A notice could be placed that there's a game going on with over 40 players, with a list of the players playing thats in your current buddy list.

3) Smoother, Online experiences, with way more downloadable content-I'm sick and tired of Japan getting all the extras like director's cut and special releases with bonus material. That stuff should be available worldwide. And with a server that stays in touch with developers, they could easily set up downloads of bonus material, the making of the game, and all kinds of extras. Sure, some of this is not essential, but it would be nice if we had the option right?

Well...i couldn't really think of anything else at the moment, everyone can feel free to add on!

[Helgunn]

Good find...I'm gonna renew my subscription to PSM now...But, I wonder what they can actually do to go beyond Xbox Live? So there's the obvious thing like face-to-face chating in the lobby. But hell, their already coming out with Eye-Toy chat in a couple months for PS2. So that's not anything big-anyone with a web cam can do that on the computer. Xbox Live market place sucks a little to me, but I guess it expands the online genre. They also brought in Spectator mode, which again, is sort of sucky to me. (Are these people even real gamers that come up with this stuff?) So what the hell can Sony do besides make a smoother online experience with less lag? well, here's my 2 cents...

1) Direct connect-I think I posted this somewhere before but I would love if PS3's could connect directly to each other for smaller multiplayer sessions...this would decrease a lot of lag. And for the people who are still waiting for broadband to get even more cheaper,-(ME!) this would be a simple and easy way to play a close buddy right down the block without a high-speed service.

2) Even more community-I want to pause the game, and instantly chat with some1 in my buddy list-with face-to-face chat. (if we both have Eyetoy of course) I wanna know when a hot-game is going on, even when I'm offline. A notice could be placed that there's a game going on with over 40 players, with a list of the players playing thats in your current buddy list.

3) Smoother, Online experiences, with way more downloadable content-I'm sick and tired of Japan getting all the extras like director's cut and special releases with bonus material. That stuff should be available worldwide. And with a server that stays in touch with developers, they could easily set up downloads of bonus material, the making of the game, and all kinds of extras. Sure, some of this is not essential, but it would be nice if we had the option right?

Well...i couldn't really think of anything else at the moment, everyone can feel free to add on!
You do know that Xbox Live is has 2 and 3, right? They don't have direct web-chat though... yet. It's only out in Japan. Also, you can't ask for fucking more downloadable content and then say Marketplace sucks...

Damn fanboy. "It sucks unless Sony does it."

[OmniCloud]

what do you mean by 2 and 3? And i thought market place was for buying stuff online? I'm thinking more along the lines of "free" extra stuff available in much more quantity. If sony comes out and mimicks what live does, then I would say, that sucks as well, I love games, period. And being a fanboy is not bad. When you are ignorant and act childish in discussions like an asshole, that's when you should be slapped. I own a PS2 because the games rock! I own a DS because the games Rock! thats all...you should give some1 a chance before you label them an mindless fanboy...

[Helgunn]

So, you're a cheap mindless fanboy? Good to know. You know you wouldn't say it sucks if Sony came out with an exact clone of Xbox live.

It'd be like the second coming or something to you. I can tell.

[OmniCloud]

Actually, I don't even play games online, so no I really wouldn't give a shyt either way. I have a friend who plays Socom for literally 18 hours a day. So i wanted to see what all the fuss was about. Picked up Socom 3, went online, and couldn't find out what the hell everyone was talkin about. From the looks of it my friend, the only real fanboy around here seems to be you. your constantly defending M$ like you work for them or something?

[Applefiend]

This would be the "5 fps on a devkit" PSM....

Hmmm.... :(

[xbdestroya]

Ok guys I deleted a couple of the off-topic threads, including some of my own. Please everyone let's try to stay focused on the topic at hand and refrain from too many personal insults. It's just not cool.

Helgunn Omnicloud may not have the level of understanding you do on XBox Live, but at the same time I hardly think his original post could be considered an attack on the system. If anything, just clarify for people where they are mistaken, without at the same time automatically assuming that they are a fanboy for having made the mistake.

And that of course goes for everyone; cut down on the fanboy accusations people!

[Handycrap101]

So XB... seriously. Do you honestly think you will compete with me in any game we play online? It's pretty much a given that I own you.:evil:

But really... What game are you planning on hookin up with online. I wouldn't mind a few laps in GT5 or maybe some rounds in Tekken 6. Hell maybe we can go fantasy style and see who is the the greatest dragon slayer (I hope Factor 5 commits to a promising online feature for Lair). With that said... I hope to hook up with alot of you guys online. I'll be lookin forward to it :gunner:.

Anyway... enough with my future online fantasies. I really would love to see universal chat rooms... That would be pretty sweet. Along with Eyetoy chat, leader boards, friend lists... speaking of which, whats the max capacity for lives friend list? I would want somthing like 300... that would keep me well rounded. I really don't have much else to say... I've stated my wishlist for online many times and I just hope Sony pulls through with somthing brilliant.

P.S. Can someone post that survey in this thread so we have an idea as to what some of the new feature they mention in there that may differ from what Live has?

EDIT: Currently Active Users: 319 (74 members and 245 guests)
Cmon... we can do better then this, we have 800+ when there was just a little MoH info.

[xbdestroya]

Well I gotta say Handycrap that I'm not too big an online gamer myself really, so I'll be more in the marketplace and such myself. :)

But if I do find a game that grabs my online attention, I'll see ya there. An online Romance of the Three Kingdoms - that would be my style. :smoke:

[RzrWire]

Good find...I'm gonna renew my subscription to PSM now...But, I wonder what they can actually do to go beyond Xbox Live? So there's the obvious thing like face-to-face chating in the lobby. But hell, their already coming out with Eye-Toy chat in a couple months for PS2. So that's not anything big-anyone with a web cam can do that on the computer. Xbox Live market place sucks a little to me, but I guess it expands the online genre. They also brought in Spectator mode, which again, is sort of sucky to me. (Are these people even real gamers that come up with this stuff?) So what the hell can Sony do besides make a smoother online experience with less lag? well, here's my 2 cents...

1) Direct connect-I think I posted this somewhere before but I would love if PS3's could connect directly to each other for smaller multiplayer sessions...this would decrease a lot of lag. And for the people who are still waiting for broadband to get even more cheaper,-(ME!) this would be a simple and easy way to play a close buddy right down the block without a high-speed service.

2) Even more community-I want to pause the game, and instantly chat with some1 in my buddy list-with face-to-face chat. (if we both have Eyetoy of course) I wanna know when a hot-game is going on, even when I'm offline. A notice could be placed that there's a game going on with over 40 players, with a list of the players playing thats in your current buddy list.

3) Smoother, Online experiences, with way more downloadable content-I'm sick and tired of Japan getting all the extras like director's cut and special releases with bonus material. That stuff should be available worldwide. And with a server that stays in touch with developers, they could easily set up downloads of bonus material, the making of the game, and all kinds of extras. Sure, some of this is not essential, but it would be nice if we had the option right?

Well...i couldn't really think of anything else at the moment, everyone can feel free to add on!

Helgunn ~ The first part I highlighted in bold is in regards to your comment. OmniCloud just said the Marketplace sucks a little. He didn't fully explain why which could lead to the confusion but IMO they over-charged for a lot of crap that does nothing to enhance gameplay in anyway. It's just a cash cow for Microsoft that doesn't offer a whole lot in regards to the stuff gamers really want, "like director's cut and special releases with bonus material", as OmniCloud stated. The only problem is if Microsoft did they would probably charge way more than what its worth. Now if Sony offers all the content gamers want in a Marketplace environment, like behind the scenes content or true game enhancing downloads, without the ridiculous prices then Sony's Online offering would be better. On the other hand if Sony prices their Marketplace in tandem with Microsoft and offers a lot of the same useless crap, then Sony can suck my nuts just the same. Its all relative.

And as far as this post is concerned...
So, you're a cheap mindless fanboy? Good to know. You know you wouldn't say it sucks if Sony came out with an exact clone of Xbox live.

It'd be like the second coming or something to you. I can tell.

...out of line and uncalled for. No need to insult and antagonise other people on these forums. This is one of the few online places people can really get away from this crap so don't post this kind of shit. Bite your tongue if you have to otherwise post in a manner that isn't demeaning. I'll be one of the first people to back someone up as soon as I find out about it, and I know I'm not the only one that will.

OmniCloud ~ The second bold part is for you my friend. I think Spectator Mode is a great addition. Who else would come up with this idea but real gamers? I love the option to be able to watch a good match between two teams or two players going at it. Just think of it like watching a sport on TV or something. There have been many times where I don't really feel like playing but when I see a good game going on I would rather just sit back and watch.

In addition to Spectator Mode they should allow you to be able to chat with other people in S.M. via headset or keyboard to comment on the action, but not directly with the other players. After all I would want to bitch slap the person who gave away my position that wasn't playing.

[gablar16]

Great find KB!!!

Seems to me like the gates are begining to open. This is already good stuff. There is a lot of what it seems to be PR but If SONY is really serious about PS3/blu-ray/cell online must really be a big component of the console. I know that they will have something at least up to par with XBOX live if not better and they are begining to say what.

[Kb-smoker]

P.S. Can someone post that survey in this thread so we have an idea as to what some of the new feature they mention in there that may differ from what Live has?

EDIT: Currently Active Users: 319 (74 members and 245 guests)
Cmon... we can do better then this, we have 800+ when there was just a little MoH info.
guess you are talking about that online survey a posted.
The Questions~

1. On a typical day, how often do you play games online?
2. Do you own a PSP?
3. What is your preferred Online gaming format?
4. What Online Gaming Formats do you own?
5. Do you think you will purchase a PS3?
6. A single identity and password for all online games?
7. Global Lobbies allowing you to play against anyone in the world?
8. Game Lobbies should be language based. (English, French, German etc)
9. Game Lobbies should be based geographically.
10. A standard, interactive lobby structure for all games.
11. Headset support in all online games?
12. A QWERTY keyboard as standard for messaging.
13. USB Keyboard support for every online title.
14. Friend List allowing you to see online/offline status?
15. Friend List allowing you to see what game your friends are playing?
16. Private Messaging across games?
17. A feedback rating allowing you to choose who you play against?
18. Ability to remove players out via a majority vote?
19. Game Host has the ability to remove players?
20. Automatically filter opponents based on connection quality?
21. The ability to download music, game demos and other content?
22. Ability to access the dedicated game forum whilst in game?
23. Ability to take screenshots during the game and share them with friends?
24. Ability to take movie clips in game and share them with friends?
25. Ability to play my music during a game?
26. An in game grief reporting system?
27. Ability to access and manage your gaming profile via PC, PSP as well as PS3?
28. Community features without the need for a game disc.
29. Ability to choose an Avatar for all online titles.
30. The inclusion of a web browser.
31. A specific lobby only for Adults.
32. Service should feature a Global Ranking system for each game.
33. Game Lobbies should be Eyetoy compatible.


all things in bold are not in xbox live.

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=50892

[gablar16]

24. Ability to take movie clips in game and share them with friends?


I would've killed to have this integrated to online games I've played (WOW,SWG). Its a great way to prevent griefing in a game(Which is a huge problem with online games). Plus it opens up chances for the amateur movie makers in all of us:) all in HD :wank:

Edit: I hit reply by mistake:eek2:
12. A QWERTY keyboard as standard for messaging.

Is the qwerty keyboard standard for messeging in xbox live?

[edoshin]

So XB... seriously. Do you honestly think you will compete with me in any game we play online? It's pretty much a given that I own you.:evil:

But really... What game are you planning on hookin up with online. I wouldn't mind a few laps in GT5 or maybe some rounds in Tekken 6. Hell maybe we can go fantasy style and see who is the the greatest dragon slayer (I hope Factor 5 commits to a promising online feature for Lair). With that said... I hope to hook up with alot of you guys online. I'll be lookin forward to it :gunner:.

Anyway... enough with my future online fantasies. I really would love to see universal chat rooms... That would be pretty sweet. Along with Eyetoy chat, leader boards, friend lists... speaking of which, whats the max capacity for lives friend list? I would want somthing like 300... that would keep me well rounded. I really don't have much else to say... I've stated my wishlist for online many times and I just hope Sony pulls through with somthing brilliant.

P.S. Can someone post that survey in this thread so we have an idea as to what some of the new feature they mention in there that may differ from what Live has?

EDIT: Currently Active Users: 319 (74 members and 245 guests)
Cmon... we can do better then this, we have 800+ when there was just a little MoH info.

XB .. DUDE !!! You've been served!!!

[xbdestroya]

LOL, I must admit I wasn't expecting to be called out for online combat. :pirate:

If and when the online service launches, I'll be sure to make myself available for some online matches against the membership. Maybe there will be some cool team games as well - Clan PSINext? Has a positive ring to it.

[Helgunn]

I would've killed to have this integrated to online games I've played (WOW,SWG). Its a great way to prevent griefing in a game(Which is a huge problem with online games). Plus it opens up chances for the amateur movie makers in all of us:) all in HD :wank:

Edit: I hit reply by mistake:eek2:


Is the qwerty keyboard standard for messeging in xbox live?
Nope, it's all about voice chat, baby.

[Domination]

http://www.psmonline.com/

in teh PSM:

pretty big article, here are the main parts.


edit: here the the close up scan of the article

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/lilstunna24/Final.jpg

Cyber World

I am not the least bit surprise about this news. Just because Sony doesn't say anything, do not take that as a weakness to them. Each time someone did, they had an answer.

Sony had this thrown in their face by Microsoft for the entire last generation and it is still happening to this very day. Thinking they were going to twiddle their thumbs and watch Microsoft blow pass them once more just didn't seem accurate, IMO. It was obvious that they would adapt, and that's where I was expecting innovation to play the most crucial part.

[RzrWire]

LOL, I must admit I wasn't expecting to be called out for online combat. :pirate:

If and when the online service launches, I'll be sure to make myself available for some online matches against the membership. Maybe there will be some cool team games as well - Clan PSINext? Has a positive ring to it.

I'm in... :thumbl:

[Domination]

This is hardly a surprise. It would be surprising if they didn't have a hardcore online strategy. KK has been talking about networked cell based gaming for ages, which by definition has an online implementation. However, I'm curious if this article sheds light on a) what features it has to offer (beyond what Live offers--that would be interesting indeed and b) PRICE. Hopefully it's either free or the very (I think) manageable under $10 bucks a month M$ charges. Please Sony just don't piss me off with microtransactions. I'd rather pay $15/mo bucks for all u can eat than get nickeled and dimed to death in the PLAYSTATION marketplace" paying for wallpaper and god knows what else. Great find tho. :) Doubt it says much about b) but hopefully some light is shed on a).

In an dated interview, Ken said that he didn't feel that consumers were ready to pay for online yet. So he would like to keep it free. He used a cable, pay-per-view, basic television analogy when he started talking about subscription online servers compared to free ones. He didn't feel online was as important as cable and or especially pay-per-view just yet. HOWEVER, he did mention something about microtransactions. He said something along the lines of, I would rather provide micro fees for smaller upgrades for games to where the consumer isn't forced to pay to get online.

I have been asking for awhile if i was the only one to have read this interview. Sometimes I believe I am since no one seems to know anything about it. I'm thinking it was never posted online, but rather an artical I read from one of my magazines.

[Helgunn]

If you're going to use something in Marketplace that's ridiculously priced then make sure it's something affecting the games... not a wallpaper or some shit because that's completely up to you. If they have a required download that costs money and too much at that... you can complain but otherwise... Ssh.

[koldfuzion]

Hmm well, I've just been trying Live for the first time this week after finally getting my rig to work. This is my first attempt at online gaming. I hooked up my PS2 ages ago but never bothered with the online thing. I tend to like solo games like God of War/PoP anyway.

So my initial thoughts on the subject is that one thing that would be nice is a some kind of Newb welcome aboard chat room. I'm still feeling my way around (using PGR3). I'm unclear on how the rankings work, how anyone makes "friends", and well, I keep getting my ass handed to me in every race (uh need some practice, the Ferrari is f'ing impossible to steer and seems to be hands down the vehicle of choice). Seems rather striking to me the game has been out 6 weeks and everyone on Live manages to drive like Mario Andretti. I've been a casual gamer for much of my life, having spent half my childhood playing 2600, 5200, Intellivision and the first Sega system. But other than Civilization, haven't been completely addicted for quite some time now. (I had to uninstall CivII from my PC after spending multiple nights not sleeping). So far I haven't been sucked in to CivIV to the point of insomnia. :P

So somehow teaming up casual/novice gamers and intermediate gamers I think would be a good way to go. Live seems to have tried it with the "recreational" and "pro" type designations, but I still seemed to be lumped in with asskicking dudes despite my self-described recreational moniker.

Anyway, the point is simply that it's not very fun getting my ass kicked every time I enter a race. Especially after playing for a week or two, and beaten most of the "medium" difficulty level races.

And as much as I'd like to practice to hardcore/pro level status, I just don't have that kind of time. :( The bottom line is I was very intimidated from getting on Live/online in the first place with the belief that it's populated by 18 year olds with bongs in their dorms playing 18 hours a day, and naturally my ass would get handed to me. My experience thus far has pretty much confirmed that to be the case. (Though I have a feeling there are a bunch of 42 year olds with bongs in their condo after being thrown out of the house by their ex wife, but the point still holds). It's a tough thing to do, create a newb room that isn't going to be invaded by experts trying to crush all the novices, but maybe if in a given game if you get beyond some level you can't get in to the novice rooms. But I do think on some level they need to make some room/accomodation for people like me that, well, suck. That said, it is pretty cool, and I'm having as much fun with PGR as I did with GT4. (Which I haven't played in ages, but enjoyed thoroughly).

I think this is particularly important for novice users, particularly women and older folks (ahem like me or a little older) who are increasingly getting in to gaming, to make the online experience fun for everyone, not just the masters of the universe out there that have a controller welded to their hand.

Anyway those are my thoughts on what I'd like to see, in addition to the vid chat, face to face features already discussed.

Another cool feature might be to tie in your gamer profile with something like a myspace page so people know who the hell you are beyond a teeny weenie avatar. Methinks the gamer profile leaves a lot to be desired on Live.

Hell, if I were Sony I'd just BUY myspace, but Fox beat them to it. (It totally kills me the Rupert Murdoch of all people owns that site). Well whatever the new version of it is (I forget the name, it's the upstart competitor that isn't friendster, they can always buy them). If you could marry that social phenomenon, which is unbelievably broad, deep and popular--I'm frankly shocked how many people have tweaked pages and figured out, with lots of help, to actually incorporate html templates).

At the end of the day, the online experience needs to be a community, and to create a community and grow it, the newbs need to feel as welcome as everyone else. As important as all the technical crap is, making the environment welcoming and inviting to people from novice to expert is really the key. It's this kind of crap insiders in the industry can easily lose sight of, since 90% of them are themselves gaming addicts. There is nothing wrong with that, I hope they are. But it's hard when you are an expert to see the world of Live or online the way a newb sees it--male dominated, and populated by serious experts destined to pwn your butt, especially early on. Sony needs to do some serious focus grouping with newbies.

[Sephiroth_VII]

OMG, OMG!!!!! HALLELUJA!!!!

Phew, just woke up to find those awesome news!!!
Why don't all of us just form a PSINext clan? Come on, it'll be fun. Especially if we can import our usernames from the forums, directly to "Life"(hehe). I just hope that they'll be setting up a service for preordering usernames soon, like M$ did.

On the issue of the feb event... Where is it? Since that original article, we have heard NADA about any events. 'cept for Devstation, and ISSCC of course. Do we have any idea at all, of when the event will start?

P.S. If you start the clan, I'll be joining for sure(a thousand voices crying out in despair)

[Helgunn]

Helgunn ~ The first part I highlighted in bold is in regards to your comment. OmniCloud just said the Marketplace sucks a little. He didn't fully explain why which could lead to the confusion but IMO they over-charged for a lot of crap that does nothing to enhance gameplay in anyway. It's just a cash cow for Microsoft that doesn't offer a whole lot in regards to the stuff gamers really want, "like director's cut and special releases with bonus material", as OmniCloud stated. The only problem is if Microsoft did they would probably charge way more than what its worth. Now if Sony offers all the content gamers want in a Marketplace environment, like behind the scenes content or true game enhancing downloads, without the ridiculous prices then Sony's Online offering would be better. On the other hand if Sony prices their Marketplace in tandem with Microsoft and offers a lot of the same useless crap, then Sony can suck my nuts just the same. Its all relative.

And as far as this post is concerned...


...out of line and uncalled for. No need to insult and antagonise other people on these forums. This is one of the few online places people can really get away from this crap so don't post this kind of shit. Bite your tongue if you have to otherwise post in a manner that isn't demeaning. I'll be one of the first people to back someone up as soon as I find out about it, and I know I'm not the only one that will.

OmniCloud ~ The second bold part is for you my friend. I think Spectator Mode is a great addition. Who else would come up with this idea but real gamers? I love the option to be able to watch a good match between two teams or two players going at it. Just think of it like watching a sport on TV or something. There have been many times where I don't really feel like playing but when I see a good game going on I would rather just sit back and watch.

In addition to Spectator Mode they should allow you to be able to chat with other people in S.M. via headset or keyboard to comment on the action, but not directly with the other players. After all I would want to bitch slap the person who gave away my position that wasn't playing.
I'm going to assume that you don't know about Gotham TV? on Project Gotham Racing 3... On Xbox 360.

[Saibo]

So XB... seriously. Do you honestly think you will compete with me in any game we play online? It's pretty much a given that I own you.:evil:



Dont worry about XB, because i'll be owning you, XB , and Z online. :rockon: Any First Person Shooter, anytime online.

EDIT: well maybe not Z, his in middle east, different time zone..

[Domination]

Thanks for the enlarged scan Kb.

Anyway I think it's safe to say that Sony has a very networked vision in mind. They did with the PS2 as well, and that kind of fell short, but frankly I take their having had this 'grand vision' for so long as an indication that they really want to deliver on it this time with PS3, rather than an indication that it's all 'promises and lies,' as some would rather believe.

There's not anything decidedly new in that article, but the dev comments are pretty strong. I personally am looking forward to what they will end up offering. Like Koldfuzion I'm wondering what the price will be and how they will model it, and it makes me think that like I suspected earlier, those surveys that went out earlier were to par down from a list of features Sony was already prepared to implement, and to execute on a service that is the best mix of what people want and what will be best for Sony cost-wise.

They were working on it for five years already after they abandoned the first online server. I sure a lot was put into it within that time.

[RzrWire]

I'm going to assume that you don't know about Gotham TV? on Project Gotham Racing 3... On Xbox 360.

I do know about it! That is the kinda stuff I hope Sony promotes/implements with their online service. That is one of my favorite features PGR3 offers and I can't see why OmniCloud thinks it sucks at all. Oh well, to each his own.

Edit:
I was also hoping that if Sony's online service does offer this that they don't allow you to talk directly with the players in game (same setup as Gotham TV in PGR3). It would be extremely hard for them to enjoy the game otherwise.

[Domination]

If you're going to use something in Marketplace that's ridiculously priced then make sure it's something affecting the games... not a wallpaper or some shit because that's completely up to you. If they have a required download that costs money and too much at that... you can complain but otherwise... Ssh.

Helgunn, I'm not sure if you're responding to my message or not, but the micros fees were not said to be used for things like wallpaper or even up grading the the server. I don't even think I put that in text. Heck, the PSP does this for free. Why would this be considered an upgrade for sale? I said Ken said that micro fees would be used to upgrade games. Y'know, better weapons, cars, levels, costumes. Basically, things related to "games."

[Helgunn]

Oh, I thought you didn't know about it... well okay. :)

[Helgunn]

Helgunn, I'm not sure if you're responding to my message or not, but the micros fees were not said to be used for things like wallpaper or even up grading the the server. I don't even think I put that in text. Heck, the PSP does this for free. Why would this be considered an upgrade? I said Ken said that micro fees would be used to upgrade games. Y'know, better weapons, cars levels, costumes. Basically, things related to "games."
That's my point, if it isn't related to games and not required then it should have a price! They need to make money somehow. What do you want more? An optional wallpaper that costs MP Points or a required upgrade that cost points?

I choose wallpaper.

[Sephiroth_VII]

No, no, no!!! The upgrades will be NON-ESSENTIAL. That means that you won't need them to complete the game, they'll simply extend your experience. New weapons, camo's, side-stories, minigames, etc...

Not like firmware updates, or anything like that. Just some more stuff to put in the games you already own.

[Rapture]

...No Try Playstation Life -> Try No Life Playstation...

seriously, are they building this thing with the intent of people sitting down near one, pressing power and never moving again. ever? ^_^

[Domination]

That's my point, if it isn't related to games and not required then it should have a price! They need to make money somehow. What do you want more? An optional wallpaper that costs MP Points or a required upgrade that cost points?

I choose wallpaper.

Maybe that's what you're use to, but things like this are usually considered free else where because they are of less importance and easy to implement. As I told you before, the PSP does these things at no extra cost and a whole lot more. To me, charging for these things is a rip-off. But you are right, though, they need to make money, which is why that money is made in more important places. ;)

[Domination]

No, no, no!!! The upgrades will be NON-ESSENTIAL. That means that you won't need them to complete the game, they'll simply extend your experience. New weapons, camo's, side-stories, minigames, etc...

Not like firmware updates, or anything like that. Just some more stuff to put in the games you already own.

Thank you.

[Sephiroth_VII]

...No Try Playstation Life -> Try No Life Playstation...

seriously, are they building this thing with the intent of people sitting down near one, pressing power and never moving again. ever? ^_^
NO!!!! Yopu're totally wrong!!! You don't need to pres the power button, 'cause as soon as you go near the PS3 with your PSP, it'll suck you in, opening a trans-dimentionel portal, to a world where your eyes can percieve an unlimited number of colours and details, thereby making the PS3's graphics better than reality!!!!!

Phew, breath in-out-in-out...

[RzrWire]

Maybe that's what you're use to, but things like this are usually considered free else where because they are of less importance and easy to implement. As I told you before, the PSP does these things at no extra cost and a whole lot more. To me, charging for these things is a rip-off. But you are right, though, they need to make money, which is why that money is made in more important places. ;)

Wipeout Pure for PSP does it the right way when it comes to upgrades and they don't charge a damn dime. Free race tracks, vehicles, new weapons, ect. While the retards (in the XBox Marketplace sense) who made Kameo for XBox 360 charged $3 (???) for a Santa Outfit that did nothing what-so-ever to enhance gameplay!!! I mean talk about a rip off!!!! I guess more than anything it comes down to developers but Microsoft should be regulating some of these prices developers are charging via the Marketplace.

Edit:
As Sephiroth_VII *Hinted* - Changed from Wipout "Fusion" to "Pure" like I changed the diaper in my head because I think it was more than a brain fart!

[Sephiroth_VII]

"hint"wipeoutpure"hint"

But yeah, that Kameo outfit was totally retarted. Pure has done a great job so far, with all those free ships, levels, skins and soundtracks. I hope that this trend will catch on in the coming generation.

[Helgunn]

NO!!!! Yopu're totally wrong!!! You don't need to pres the power button, 'cause as soon as you go near the PS3 with your PSP, it'll suck you in, opening a trans-dimentionel portal, to a world where your eyes can percieve an unlimited number of colours and details, thereby making the PS3's graphics better than reality!!!!!

Phew, breath in-out-in-out...
Isn't that what they promised with Ps2? Oh... yeah, they did... Wonder what happened to that? :shifty:

[Nodieza]

...No Try Playstation Life -> Try No Life Playstation...

seriously, are they building this thing with the intent of people sitting down near one, pressing power and never moving again. ever? ^_^


Yes, very much so :happy: , heh I hope not I have a job to uphold!!!!

Woke up to the great news, more details.... Feb. I love you :cheers:

Good post KB!!!!

[Helgunn]

*throws back hair* My life has been online console gaming non-stop for the past two years, if you had just opened up your eyes... it wouldn't be so new to you.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Isn't that what they promised with Ps2? Oh... yeah, they did... Wonder what happened to that? :shifty:
Uhm... I think you're talking about the PS9 commercial. Those were aired to hype up the PS2's launch, with the phraise:
PS2
The Beginning

[Junox50]

Microsoft arent the shining pillars of honesty themselves. They too have went out of their way to promise on things they didnt or couldnt deliver on.

This is great news, by the way on Sony's behalf. I hope there's an annoucment soon

[Sephiroth_VII]

A fine example of Microsoft's "Honesty", would be your very fine signature:
Junox50: Sony was not the one that claimed Toy story graphics. In this article, Seamus Blackley of Microsoft claims that the Xbox can achieve Toy Story graphics.

http://netscape.com.com/Microsoft+go..._3-250632.html

Some Guy from IGN: That is because the Xbox CAN do Toy Story. That is why they said it. Do you even have an Xbox? Because a person that dose would never try to come back with somthing like that, you're just proving my point even more.

[Junox50]

A fine example of Microsoft's "Honesty", would be your very fine signature:

Lol, yeah, thanks. People attack Sony for being liars or under promising, but is Microsoft any different? Pffft!

[Sephiroth_VII]

Naah, they're all the same. They only wan't to make money. The only reason that I like sony better, is because they make me feel good giving them my money.

[Killing Moon]

*throws back hair* My life has been online console gaming non-stop for the past two years, if you had just opened up your eyes... it wouldn't be so new to you.
Welcome to a very watered down version of the world of PC gaming for the last 10-15 years. 2 years is bulls**t compared to what really happens in the gaming world on a regular basis online. You're not gaining any "Kudos" for braggin, genius.

Don't try to talk big just because you have some basic or mediocre content for your Xbox console, okay. I've played PGR3 extensively, and while the game is fun on a basic level, it's nothing all too great or special in any respect. And before you ask, YES, I am a hardcore racing gamer.

You're only making yourself look like an ass.

[cliffbo]

If you're going to use something in Marketplace that's ridiculously priced then make sure it's something affecting the games... not a wallpaper or some shit because that's completely up to you. If they have a required download that costs money and too much at that... you can complain but otherwise... Ssh.

just a word of advise mate. i'm not sure if you realise how your texts are coming over but to me (and i mean this in the right way) you are coming over very agressively and a little uncivilised. there has always been fanboys going head to head, but don't tell someone to ssh... its just plain rude. just chill mate. by all means say what you want but try to keep it jovial :)

*throws back hair* My life has been online console gaming non-stop for the past two years, if you had just opened up your eyes... it wouldn't be so new to you.

Xb. we don't need people like this. have a word, i'm sure he's a nice guy really but some of his posts are just plain rude. i'm sure he will contribute something possitive in the future but right now he's not. back on topic

[frosty]

Couldn't agree with you more cliffbo, i looked up all of his posts and just about every one was some sort of jeer at sony and most of them were rude comments like the one above. This board has done a great job of providing a place for us to all share news and have intelligent debates, we don't need people like that starting trouble. Hellgunn, share your opinions, but also back them with facts. And most of all, respect your fellow forum members. Take a good look at xboxdestroya's sig.

[cliffbo]

there are going to be many things that are generic to online (so be prepared for Microsoft to claim Sony have stolen their ideas) but wouldn't it be cool if while you were playing an online game or watching a movie, you could keep in touch with others via your PSP or if you haven't got one via a tiny window placed in the top left corner of the screen. also if you could show someone what you were watching or doing through the same devices that would enhance the feeling of true comunity. obviously, before someone says this would be too intrusive, you could turn the feature off. i think this is what Konamis new metal gear interactive comic is about by the way, imagine being able to exchange episodes with friends a bit like exchanging cards. you could show them that little secret you found

[cliffbo]

this was on c&vg i know its not new but its a little more:

10:06 One of Microsoft's key advantages in both current and next gen is its impressive and rather slick online service Live, which offers a seamless interface to the (sometimes) wonderful world of online gaming. With online one of the key battlegrounds in the next gen, it's something Sony has probably always looked at enviously, but officially seemed less inclined to follow.
Well, all that might be about to change with the arrival of the PS3, if the latest word from the Official US PlayStation Magazine is to be believed. Despite past assurances that Sony would leave multiplayer matchmaking to game developers and in the remit of individual titles, it now seems like a centralised Live-style service is almost certainly in the works.

PSM reports that Sony wants much, much more than a simple matchmaking and ranking lists service, and developers in possession of the PS3 dev kits will have to meet with Sony's online compliance team to make sure their titles will work with the projected PlayStation Network.
Unnamed sources quoted by the magazine say Sony plans to develop a full PlayStation Network type service to compete head on with the current version of Live. They also say that the service will integrate the PlayStation Portable, which we've always speculated may act as a controller for the PS3 - and now as a portable connection to the online service. The magazine suggests Sony has been plotting this service since just after the delivery of the PS2 Network adaptor.

If OPM's reports are true - and we have to say they're given a boost by the appearance of that recent online questionnaire - it signals a seismic shift in Sony's thinking, but a vital one if it's to compete with Microsoft's perceived online advantage.

Live has already shown that it can be used for much more than multiplayer gaming, with the delivery of movie trailers, music and additional content - key targets and battlegrounds for Sony as it looks to establish Blu-ray and return all divisions of the troubled company to profitability. So it increasingly looks as if PS3 will have an online network to truly compete with Live and push Sony's multimedia content to every PS3 and PSP owner. We'll be following developments on this one closely, though we have to say, it'll have to get the PS3 out of the door first.

But what would you want from a Sony online service, and can Sony compete in the one area where it has always trailed Microsoft?

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/

[gablar16]

But what would you want from a Sony online service, and can Sony compete in the one area where it has always trailed Microsoft?


SONY cant afford the luxury to be just MS competition. MS would beat them because software is MS's game. If they really want to succeed they have to go above and beyond Xbox live. WHy do you think SONY has been so silent about PS3? Because as soon as sony starts the PS3 all out PR campaign that would usher in next gen gaming which will help MS immensly. The same principle will be applied online. As soon as sony deploys their online service it will give immidiate attention to XBOX live, which we all can agreee is a far better service tahn the current playstation online service. IF peoppel start trying both services and they like xbox's service better than PS3 .. it will be a tougher 5 years to stay on top.

[Yo MaMa84]

OK....Helgunn. I have Live and love it...but your saying like its the best thing ever. Trust me, go play some PC games online and you'll see the difference. I used to play Halo alot on Live but I dont play it that much anymore....Y u ask?....because of cheating. It makes nosense going over a level 30 because everybody above that level is cheating And i dont see Microsoft or Bungie doing anything to make it better. There is also a lot of lag, MEGA lag at that. I am not fanboy, because if Sony comes out with their online service and it as a lot of problems like Live....then i'll boycott them just the same.

Another thing, my recomendation is that please dont come in here and act like you know more than these guys here......trust me you dont. And i probably know more too.....wanna know y? Because i read. So dont argue with them....discuss with them.

This is probably the best gaming site on the net where you actually learn something and there is absolutely no flaming....so dont come here trying to change that.

[KiLLA2006]

SONY cant afford the luxury to be just MS competition. MS would beat them because software is MS's game. If they really want to succeed they have to go above and beyond Xbox live. WHy do you think SONY has been so silent about PS3? Because as soon as sony starts the PS3 all out PR campaign that would usher in next gen gaming which will help MS immensly. The same principle will be applied online. As soon as sony deploys their online service it will give immidiate attention to XBOX live, which we all can agreee is a far better service tahn the current playstation online service. IF peoppel start trying both services and they like xbox's service better than PS3 .. it will be a tougher 5 years to stay on top.

i understand were your coming from but i dont agree because of the success playstation 2 had online though xbox live was out there, sure sonys online service wasn't great but the games you could play on it were and i think thats the ultimate deciding factor whether the overall service is better in xbox live, or playstation online (or whatever its going to be called) we shall see how it goes...

[cliffbo]

SONY cant afford the luxury to be just MS competition. MS would beat them because software is MS's game. If they really want to succeed they have to go above and beyond Xbox live. WHy do you think SONY has been so silent about PS3? Because as soon as sony starts the PS3 all out PR campaign that would usher in next gen gaming which will help MS immensly. The same principle will be applied online. As soon as sony deploys their online service it will give immidiate attention to XBOX live, which we all can agreee is a far better service tahn the current playstation online service. IF peoppel start trying both services and they like xbox's service better than PS3 .. it will be a tougher 5 years to stay on top.

i can see your logic here, but i don't think it will work quite that way. Sony have successfully let Microsoft have their day (and it was a short one at that) but now the balls in Sony's court. the anticipation of PS3 is such that for a long time Microsoft will be pushed off the radar. and as far as online is concerned, Live has had its fanboys for so long now with big voices that even if Sony's service was exactly the same it would be a way for Sony fanboys to fight back with equally big talk. but its not going to be the same. it is going to be better, we all know that now. with web chat through eyetoy and PSP as the hub. imagine playing tennis with someone on eyetoy over the net, you hit the ball at the screen and its returned by your opponent on the screen. you could taunt each other. cooooool

[xbdestroya]

Gablar and Killa, interesting takes on it. I kind of agree with what you said Gablar about Sony not wanting to draw attention to online as a cornerstone of this gen before it has it's own service to match Live, but at the same time it's true that PS2 had a lot of online activity in the end, despite it's weaker service. The different sides of the coin are definitely something to think about.

Also in the vein of Yo MaMa's post - yes let's everyone please try to keep PSINext as flame free as possible. It's been harder the last couple of months than it was a year or two ago (sans Deadmeat), and E3 has of course fired a lot of people up all around the web. But I think the more civil an atmosphere we maintain, the more enjoyable a place it is to post and read.

[cliffbo]

jesus i'm on a roll now. i know what Sony are doing. its clear as day. imagine playing virtual chess over the internet with eyetoy. imagine been able to populate childrens homes with cartoon figures that sit on their shoulders while their talking to their dads. imagine touching hands across the screens with loved ones and feeling a tingle in your finger tips wooooo yeeee remember what i've said this is the revolution. i know it.

[Yo MaMa84]

jesus i'm on a roll now. i know what Sony are doing. its clear as day. imagine playing virtual chess over the internet with eyetoy. imagine been able to populate childrens homes with cartoon figures that sit on their shoulders while their talking to their dads. imagine touching hands across the screens with loved ones and feeling a tingle in your finger tips wooooo yeeee remember what i've said this is the revolution. i know it.


HUH? :huh: ......uummm....i dont get it....LOL

[Fats]

He's on a roll, leave him be! ;)

[cliffbo]

HUH? :huh: ......uummm....i dont get it....LOL

it will bring people on the net together in away that is as close to being in the same room as possible. you are away on business, your son is missing you. he has an eyetoy and so of course have you. we have all been thinking games, killing, guns, but put that away for a moment. Sony will want to occupy a place Microsoft don't... real interaction. not a computer image, but you and your friends. i know this is it. watch this space and give me a cred if i'm right, take away a cred if i'm not. i'm that confident.

its not technical, its emotional. Sony mantra for the last generation :)

ps: imagine jamming online with mates. three seperate windows: guitar, drums, bass, singer. forget games for moment and think of the possibilities!

[KiLLA2006]

Also in the vein of Yo MaMa's post - yes let's everyone please try to keep PSINext as flame free as possible. It's been harder the last couple of months than it was a year or two ago (sans Deadmeat), and E3 has of course fired a lot of people up all around the web. But I think the more civil an atmosphere we maintain, the more enjoyable a place it is to post and read.

Was i flaming im sorry if it came off as if I was because i did not try to, sorry about that, if in fact i was...

anywho, i see where your coming from cliffbo, hey imagine a ps3 online dating service were couples can feel the tingle of, LOL, oh you get the picture...:lick: :yum: :twitch:

[cliffbo]

Was i flaming im sorry if it came off as if I was because i did not try to, sorry about that, if in fact i was...

anywho, i see where your coming from cliffbo, hey imagine a ps3 online dating service were couples can feel the tingle of, LOL, oh you get the picture...:lick: :yum: :twitch:

i knew someone would say this lol

[Kb-smoker]

guy over at b3d found this.



PSP/PS3/PS2 Network Game Integration Engineer
This role is to assist the game teams implement online elements in their products, and support the strategic online goals of the company. This will include writing and supporting libraries to help game teams concentrate their efforts on writing game code both for in-game networking, and for lobby functionality (e.g. Matchmaking, content download), supporting the use of key SDKs produced by the group in the U.S. creating the bulk of the networking middleware for use by the teams, and providing lessons learned/best practice for teams embarking on online projects.

The person for this role needs to be either a PS2/PSP game programmer with knowledge and willingness to concentrate their efforts on console networking, a PC game programmer with game networking experience wishing to work on PS2/PSP platform, or a PC network programmer who wishes to enter the games industry.

Essential for this role is knowledge of/experience with :
* Sound knowledge of C++ and OO methods (sound knowledge and practical experience). * Ability to understand and work comfortably with C functional programming, both engineers and SDKs.
* Ability to work and communicate effectively with the team you are a member of, and with outside teams

The following are desirable:
* Games industry experience
* PS2/PSP console development experience
* Network Programming experience
* Experience with source code control systems particularly CVS and SubVersion
* Experience with use of linux gcc, Visual Studio .NET, SN systems programming environments for cross platform development

http://www.datascope.co.uk/scee/

Seems to back up this article....

[edoshin]

I wonder when it became a flaming moniker to be a "fan" of something you enjoy. I guess I'm a SF Giants fanboy or 49er fanboy (albeit currently embarrassingly so). If my home team scores a touchdown, even if its the same play as my opponent, I sure as heck would jump off my seat and cheer.

[gablar16]

it will bring people on the net together in away that is as close to being in the same room as possible. you are away on business, your son is missing you. he has an eyetoy and so of course have you. we have all been thinking games, killing, guns, but put that away for a moment. Sony will want to occupy a place Microsoft don't... real interaction. not a computer image, but you and your friends. i know this is it. watch this space and give me a cred if i'm right, take away a cred if i'm not. i'm that confident.

its not technical, its emotional. Sony mantra for the last generation :)

ps: imagine jamming online with mates. three seperate windows: guitar, drums, bass, singer. forget games for moment and think of the possibilities!


You are on a roll!! I share your vision and hope for the same or more! BUt one thing to consider.. PS3 is for the living room where it will have to struggle against the TV, games, movies and other family members looking for entertainment. ITs not like the PC that have its own personal space. Now if SONY have a solution that changes the way we use the livingroom( other than watching TV/playing games/movies), then I would be impressed, but it has something huge and quite a revolution. ( pun?)

[cliffbo]

Kb do you think this suggest that you will be able to play PS2 games on your PSP? cos i do...

[xbdestroya]

Three points:

1) Killa2006, no you weren't flaming anyone and I wasn't addressing you in that las part of the post. I was just speaking to Yo Mama's points in general... thought I made that clear. :)

2) Kb, that job posting fits well with what the Lair crew is looking for as well in terms of filling a position.

3) Edoshin, it's not flaming when you praise what you like, it's flaming when you insult that which you don't. So - everyone be clear on the differences going forward, because indeed if this were a sports forum and I were the mod, I'd be all about praising the home team, but totally against insults towards the opposing team. By the way I don't think this forum is possessed of fanboyism or trolling; quite the opposite. But an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure... :smoke:

[cliffbo]

You are on a roll!! I share your vision and hope for the same or more! BUt one thing to consider.. PS3 is for the living room where it will have to struggle against the TV, games, movies and other family members looking for entertainment. ITs not like the PC that have its own personal space. Now if SONY have a solution that changes the way we use the livingroom( other than watching TV/playing games/movies), then I would be impressed, but it has something huge and quite a revolution. ( pun?)

it has!!!!!! the PSP. why can't everything i've described run through that when the TV is in use!

[edoshin]

Actually I guess sports was a bad analogy. I sure as heck would throw flaming bombs at the opposing team esp if there's an out of towner whooping it up when the home team is getting its butt wupped. I'd flame Jordan, but still watch him play.

[Domination]

*throws back hair* My life has been online console gaming non-stop for the past two years, if you had just opened up your eyes... it wouldn't be so new to you.


I can relate. Your opinion is your opinion, though.

I have been meaning to ask this for sometime now but really never got around to doing so. LIVE is a great server, we know this, and in a few places, I do find it to be more robust than PlayStation Online. BUT, from me to you, what is it that you find unique about Live that we haven't yet experienced somewhere else? Do you really think Microsoft came up with the dozens of features in Live all by themself?

I'll give them credit for having a better server, but playing any one game on their server is really no different than the many places i've come accross in the pass. There needs to be something new - something unique and none related to what we've seen on a PC, or maybe something that hasn't been overused/old to the market.

[edoshin]

I'm not a big fan of online gaming except for Starcraft, nor do I think I will be interested with IM type services thru my tv. I am interested in what they can deliver in regards to PSP content. I wouldn't mind catching up on a missed episode of LOST on my PSP, but I don't know what kind of exclusive deal Apple has with the networks.

[xbdestroya]

Actually I guess sports was a bad analogy. I sure as heck would throw flaming bombs at the opposing team esp if there's an out of towner whooping it up when the home team is getting its butt wupped. I'd flame Jordan, but still watch him play.

Actually I think sports was a great analogy, because I think fanboyism runs parallel in many different fields; be it consoles, sports, cars, etc... and it gave me the opportunity to use an analogy of my own.

So what this place is... think of it as a forum for Ferrari enthusiasts, but one that respects what Porsche and Lamborghini are doing to push the field forward as well. That make sense to everyone? :) Sportsmanship people!

[gablar16]

it has!!!!!! the PSP. why can't everything i've described run through that when the TV is in use!

Well sure it can. maybe we are talking about something different. I'm sure it will be possible to do what you describe this generation, technically speaking. BUT what I'm trying to convey is that it will not catch on except for niche markets. The great majority of ps3 owner will not use all this available services. For a new world in comunication where videochat is the standard, PS3 will have to bundle the eye toy and broadband usage be much more widespread. That and has to gain acceptance form many many more segments of the population other than 12-35 male.

[indiekid4]

I think I just peed a little bit!! THIS IS WHAT WE NEEDED! Its funny but these simple quotes sorta makeup for 2-3 months of info-drought......or maybe im just desperate for PS3 news.

Sony is playing it's cards just right. Just this little bit of Info is making gamers heads explode with glee and happiness. I can only imagine what will happen once Sony releases all the info about PS3 and it's final spec's...i can guess lots of boogers, spit, drool stains, stained underwear (front and back). It's gonna be messy! lol

(edit: wow, this was my 300th post..lol! woot!

[indiekid4]

Actually I think sports was a great analogy, because I think fanboyism runs parallel in many different fields; be it consoles, sports, cars, etc... and it gave me the opportunity to use an analogy of my own.

So what this place is... think of it as a forum for Ferrari enthusiasts, but one that respects what Porsche and Lamborghini are doing to push the field forward as well. That make sense to everyone? :) Sportsmanship people!

you are right, it's called being a HOMER. Doh!
and I'm def. a homer for Lamborghini *drools*

[RzrWire]

If you're going to use something in Marketplace that's ridiculously priced then make sure it's something affecting the games... not a wallpaper or some shit because that's completely up to you. If they have a required download that costs money and too much at that... you can complain but otherwise... Ssh.

Shush!? Your telling me to Shush when I'm mearly stating my opinion!? I was also talking inregards about everyone that uses Microsoft's Marketplace (not just me) and how they're all forced to pay the same rediculous prices. I was never a fan of price gouging and I never will be regardless of who it is.

xbdestroya ~ Your analogy makes perfect sense and I couldn't agree with you more.

[cliffbo]

Well sure it can. maybe we are talking about something different. I'm sure it will be possible to do what you describe this generation, technically speaking. BUT what I'm trying to convey is that it will not catch on except for niche markets. The great majority of ps3 owner will not use all this available services. For a new world in comunication where videochat is the standard, PS3 will have to bundle the eye toy and broadband usage be much more widespread. That and has to gain acceptance form many many more segments of the population other than 12-35 male.

this is why i posted the threads earlier. if you read them you will see potential for none gamers. thats all ages: grannies, dads, mums, kids. i'd be interested on your views on my suggestions because i'm so confident of them.

[Yo MaMa84]

F@#KINg bastards......Those bitches at Sony know what they are doing.
But Sony, you dont have to hype me up anymore than i already am hyped. I was planning on giving you my money already anyway, and i know i'm not the only one. So stop f@#king around and gimme my damn PS3 already.

[cliffbo]

this thread is turning into personal attacks and explanation of them. Xb delete all irrelevent stuff to keep this thread on topic please :)

[indiekid4]

F@#KINg bastards......Those bitches at Sony know what they are doing.
But Sony, you dont have to hype me up anymore than i already am hyped. I was planning on giving you my money already anyway, and i know i'm not the only one. So stop f@#king around and gimme my damn PS3 already.

Did you eat paint chips as a kid? hehe, JK. I feel you on your over the top statement!

[gablar16]

this is why i posted the threads earlier. if you read them you will see potential for none gamers. thats all ages: grannies, dads, mums, kids. i'd be interested on your views on my suggestions because i'm so confident of them.



I do see the potential for non gamers! Its just that to for it to be a true revolution it has to go way beyond what xbox live or a PC offers in terms of communications. For it to work in the way I think your describing it( where it substitutes the phone) it needs much more than a webcam and a mic. I would love to hear how you suggest sony can accomplish worldwide acceptance of this new mass comunication medium. Trust me, I truly hope you are right :thumbl: but I think it is unlikely.

[cliffbo]

I do see the potential for non gamers! Its just that to for it to be a true revolution it has to go way beyond what xbox live or a PC offers in terms of communications. For it to work in the way I think your describing it( where it substitutes the phone) it needs much more than a webcam and a mic. I would love to hear how you suggest sony can accomplish worldwide acceptance of this new mass comunication medium. Trust me, I truly hope you are right :thumbl: but I think it is unlikely.

it will take a cultural shift, i agree, but Sony are in it for the long hall. just like mobile phones when they first appeared took a while establishing itself, so will the playstaion dream. i'm thinking 5 to 6 years. but with eyetoy out there and PSP and PS2, the job has already started. i believe that PSP was always meant as a PS3 tool and so was Eyetoy. Sony have just been extremely clever in marketting these things in a way that keeps our eye off the ball and when finally we see the vision, we will say 'you clever f$%&ers'

[Junox50]

I hope I don't smell troll lingering over this forum. It's already ridicolous with the random members of the Pro Nintendo, Xbox/anti Sony and Playstation haters club coming over here to add nonsense to the mix.

Anyway, it seems this news is really getting to people. Sheesh, Sony's actually making people go nuts over this stuff. Not that its a bad thing, but to a certain extent it can be.

[Sypher]

Im all for the marketplace, as long as its not a means to "complete" an unfinished game ala PDZ. The only thing I would like to see is a User marketplace, where maps, wallpaper and such could be distributed by people playing the game. And also maybe a barder/auction type system, where lets say if your playing EverQuest, you could put up an item and either set the min. or browse through the offers yur given.

[edoshin]

it will take a cultural shift, i agree, but Sony are in it for the long hall. just like mobile phones when they first appeared took a while establishing itself, so will the playstaion dream. i'm thinking 5 to 6 years. but with eyetoy out there and PSP and PS2, the job has already started. i believe that PSP was always meant as a PS3 tool and so was Eyetoy. Sony have just been extremely clever in marketting these things in a way that keeps our eye off the ball and when finally we see the vision, we will say 'you clever f$%&ers'

A few years ago the music industry was caught with its pants down during the music download shift. Nobody at that time could have imagined that Apple will grab the whole pie even tho mighty giants like MS had visions of doing so. The next revolution will be movies. I don't think online gaming is as great a leap. People have been playing games online for a long time now, and using IM and such to communicate instantly all the time with their friends. IMO, online gaming will not drive the industry. It will be other content, and that is what will truly expand game consoles into that "home media hub" which the industry has been chasing. I just feel this way b/c while there will always be a community of gamers, the majority of "casual" users will not want to go online and get massacred by vets. The gamers will always be there one way or the other, but when the service can expand to downloadable content on a scale remotely of iTunes, then they've really achieved a milestone.

[gablar16]

it will take a cultural shift, i agree, but Sony are in it for the long hall. just like mobile phones when they first appeared took a while establishing itself, so will the playstaion dream. i'm thinking 5 to 6 years. but with eyetoy out there and PSP and PS2, the job has already started. i believe that PSP was always meant as a PS3 tool and so was Eyetoy. Sony have just been extremely clever in marketting these things in a way that keeps our eye off the ball and when finally we see the vision, we will say 'you clever f$%&ers'

I think we are undertanding each other.. great discussion cliffbo :)

My problem is that I dont think an XBOX live-like service(or even PC like) is enough to bring a cultural shift. I think that for that shift that we are talking about we need more. I'll number the things I think absolutly necessary for that cultural shift.

1. By far the most important: Broadband access. I dont think there is enough broadband access in the US for this chang3. Maybe in Japan and korea but most people I know in the US are quite content with their dial up. Summary: Once a leader in Internet innovation, the United States has fallen far behind Japan and other Asian states in deploying broadband and the latest mobile-phone technology. This lag will cost it dearly. By outdoing the United States, Japan and its neighbors are positioning themselves to be the first states to reap the benefits of the broadband era: economic growth, increased productivity, and a better quality of life.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050501faessay84311/thomas-bleha/down-to-the-wire.html)


2. Delivery method. The PS3 is way too broad in its uses. What I mean is, you cannot play a game, watch a movie, watch cable and have a video conversation at the same time. You can only do one thing at a time in the living room. Everything in the modern living room is designed for multiple users at a time. Many people can watch TV, or play games at a time, but once you are having a conversation with your friends over the PS3 it blocks access to the living room. Thats why single men 12-35 are the majority of gamers. they own their livingroom but most households in america have to share their TV and PS3. Its the same reason browsing the internet over your TV has never been accepted. The immense mayority of people cant afford one PS3 for every member of the household. The PS3 has to become a multiple user appliance besides games.

If sony have an answer for both this problems then I will fully believe in your vision cliffbo. Otherwise it will take much more than 5 years. It will happen its just a metter of when.

[Nodieza]

It would be cool to see my dad "want" a Ps3 because of online features that would appeal to him... he's crazy and I dont' see that happening but if it ever did I'd be shocked :shocked: Here's to hope for Sony :cheers:

Why was my apology edited out?? Could at least PM me when you do stuff like that...

Peace! ^(*~*)^:whip: <- beating troll!

[koldfuzion]

well, obviously then everyone will need two PS3s. One for the living room, and one in the bedroom to watch high def 1080p webcam porn chat.

I'm only half kidding. Porn is already the internet killer app.
No reason worldwide live webcam chat groups on PS3 should be any different.... Hope KK has a lot of bandwith on those cell servers. But yeah using a TV for IM does kind of suck. PC is far easier. But at the end of the day not a whole lot of value add there, PC already does that pretty well (not that I'm speaking from experience or anything...really...I swear.).

[cliffbo]

I think we are undertanding each other.. great discussion cliffbo :)

My problem is that I dont think an XBOX live-like service(or even PC like) is enough to bring a cultural shift. I think that for that shift that we are talking about we need more. I'll number the things I think absolutly necessary for that cultural shift.

1. By far the most important: Broadband access. I dont think there is enough broadband access in the US for this chang3. Maybe in Japan and korea but most people I know in the US are quite content with their dial up.

2. Delivery method. The PS3 is way too broad in its uses. What I mean is, you cannot play a game, watch a movie, watch cable and have a video conversation at the same time. You can only do one thing at a time in the living room. Everything in the modern living room is designed for multiple users at a time. Many people can watch TV, or play games at a time, but once you are having a conversation with your friends over the PS3 it blocks access to the living room. Thats why single men 12-35 are the majority of gamers. they own their livingroom but most households in america have to share their TV and PS3. Its the same reason browsing the internet over your TV has never been accepted. The immense mayority of people cant afford one PS3 for every member of the household. The PS3 has to become a multiple user appliance besides games.

If sony have an answer for both this problems then I will fully believe in your vision cliffbo. Otherwise it will take much more than 5 years. It will happen its just a metter of when.

you know i can't disagree with one single point your making. but i have to add one more factor into the mix: demographics. in japan their online demographic is such that the internet works like a dream and everyone sees gamers like popstars. now i don't know what the situation is like over in the US but in britain your lucky if you get 2mb which is sooooo slow and detracts from the experience a great deal. this will change though... i hope. the japanees are more in touch with the child inside too, which is another sticking point for the West. its going to take a while (perhaps longer than i've said to be fair) but you know its up to us to make it a success. we drive content with our purchases. :)

[frosty]

Well, Sony has already talked about being able to play a game on one monitor, while surfing the web on another at the same time. So I don't see it as too far fetched.

[xbdestroya]

you know i can't disagree with one single point your making. but i have to add one more factor into the mix: demographics. in japan their online demographic is such that the internet works like a dream and everyone sees gamers like popstars. now i don't know what the situation is like over in the US but in britain your lucky if you get 2mb which is sooooo slow and detracts from the experience a great deal. this will change though... i hope. the japanees are more in touch with the child inside too, which is another sticking point for the West. its going to take a while (perhaps longer than i've said to be fair) but you know its up to us to make it a success. we drive content with our purchases. :)

Cliffbo I think you've got a pretty messed up vision of Japan there my friend. Also I think it's Korea you're thinking of in terms of gamers becoming celebrities; that or the United States. But not Japan...

Japan has a reverence for gaming, to be sure, but it tends to fall on the developers of the games rather than on the players.

[cliffbo]

Cliffbo I think you've got a pretty messed up vision of Japan there my friend. Also I think it's Korea you're thinking of in terms of gamers becoming celebreties; that or the United States. But not Japan...

Japan has a reverence for gaming, to be sure, but it tends to fall on the developers of the games rather than on the players.

ye as soon as i sent it i realised it was Korea but i always thought the japanees had a brilliant online service over there?

[xbdestroya]

ye as soon as i sent it i realised it was Korea but i always thought the japanees had a brilliant online service over there?

Japan has a great Internet infrastructure, but they're not really the epitome of Internet gaming. That is exemplified by the Koreans to a much greater extent, and honestly the Chinese before the Japanese. And in all these instances, PC gaming before console gaming in terms of online.

[cliffbo]

Japan has a great Internet infrastructure, but they're not really the epitome of Internet gaming. That is exemplified by the Koreans to a much greater extent, and honestly the Chinese before the Japanese. And in all these instances, PC gaming before console gaming in terms of online.

well like i say you only attain wisdom by realizing your unwise. i stand corrected cheers :)

[edoshin]

Only in Korea where u can dress in a spacesuit to a tournament and treated as a celeb.

[Garfunkel]

Clan PSINEXT, that would be awsome, we can even continue chatting on the console while we own each other!

[Applefiend]

Internet TV is quite big in Japan isn't it? Might give you a clue to what PS3 online might be like.

[cliffbo]

Internet TV is quite big in Japan isn't it? Might give you a clue to what PS3 online might be like.

don't forget that by 2011 everyone will go digital which means there would be no reason not to go on the net. its there already, just a simple matter of shelling out a few more pennies. thats why i said in 5 to 6 years Sony will fullfil their online dreams in an earlier post. and you know what kids are like for putting pressure on their parents for the latests trends. its coming here, friend, have no doubts

[gablar16]

you know i can't disagree with one single point your making. but i have to add one more factor into the mix: demographics. in japan their online demographic is such that the internet works like a dream and everyone sees gamers like popstars. now i don't know what the situation is like over in the US but in britain your lucky if you get 2mb which is sooooo slow and detracts from the experience a great deal. this will change though... i hope. the japanees are more in touch with the child inside too, which is another sticking point for the West. its going to take a while (perhaps longer than i've said to be fair) but you know its up to us to make it a success. we drive content with our purchases. :)

I cant disagree with any point you were making exept for the time frame was a little optimistic. I would say that we have the same view of the future of comunications, but predicting the future is somewhat foolish even if we do educated gueses. I promised that if it happens this gen..+rep for you:cheers:

[Fillibuster]

Found this little diddy, found it kind of humorous...Seems they can't admit that they smell trouble

Unfortunately, we know that everything that comes or is related to Sony’s PlayStation must be taken with a grain of salt as in the past the company has hyper-hyped its products, which later proved to offer less features and capabilities than those promised. Emotion engine, Toy-Story-like graphics…broadband engine next?

Article (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10148/One-Big-PlayStation-Network-Xbox-Live-Killer/)

[Coded-Dude]

they have already demonstrated the CELL technology(and its power) in many impressive ways........

that is just fanboy criticism!

[cliffbo]

they have already demonstrated the CELL technology(and its power) in many impressive ways........

that is just fanboy criticism!

its what the cell was designed for for gods sake. i don't know. do you have to feel the bite of a cobra before you heed the warning of its rattle?

[Helgunn]

Microsoft arent the shining pillars of honesty themselves. They too have went out of their way to promise on things they didnt or couldnt deliver on.

This is great news, by the way on Sony's behalf. I hope there's an annoucment soon
I don't recall saying anything about Microsoft in my last post?

[Domination]

Found this little diddy, found it kind of humorous...Seems they can't admit that they smell trouble



Article (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10148/One-Big-PlayStation-Network-Xbox-Live-Killer/)

Like I said a dozen times before already, Team Xbox needs to stick with Xbox or Microsoft news only. That's what they are good at. Reporting anything concerning the others, especially when out of favor, usually results in a bias.

[Helgunn]

Found this little diddy, found it kind of humorous...Seems they can't admit that they smell trouble



Article (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10148/One-Big-PlayStation-Network-Xbox-Live-Killer/)
It's funny, everything you quoted was something Sony actually did promise, that they didn't lived up to.

[frosty]

Do cobras even have a rattle? I do agree with your point though.

[cliffbo]

Do cobras even have a rattle? I do agree with your point though.

your right its rattle snake... daaaaaa

[Helgunn]

I can relate. Your opinion is your opinion, though.

I have been meaning to ask this for sometime now but really never got around to doing so. LIVE is a great server, we know this, and in a few places, I do find it to be more robust than PlayStation Online. BUT, from me to you, what is it that you find unique about Live that we haven't yet experienced somewhere else? Do you really think Microsoft came up with the dozens of features in Live all by themself?

I'll give them credit for having a better server, but playing any one game on their server is really no different than the many places i've come accross in the pass. There needs to be something new - something unique and none related to what we've seen on a PC, or maybe something that hasn't been overused/old to the market.
PC and console gaming are two completly different ballparks, I don't compare the two. And the fact that every single game is played online from one service is something unique. You can make the Revolution controller on PC, but most people say stuff like this, then talk how the Rev controller is this great new thing.

[Helgunn]

OK....Helgunn. I have Live and love it...but your saying like its the best thing ever. Trust me, go play some PC games online and you'll see the difference. I used to play Halo alot on Live but I dont play it that much anymore....Y u ask?....because of cheating. It makes nosense going over a level 30 because everybody above that level is cheating And i dont see Microsoft or Bungie doing anything to make it better. There is also a lot of lag, MEGA lag at that. I am not fanboy, because if Sony comes out with their online service and it as a lot of problems like Live....then i'll boycott them just the same.

Another thing, my recomendation is that please dont come in here and act like you know more than these guys here......trust me you dont. And i probably know more too.....wanna know y? Because i read. So dont argue with them....discuss with them.

This is probably the best gaming site on the net where you actually learn something and there is absolutely no flaming....so dont come here trying to change that.
First of all, I never said Xbox Live was great, holy thing.

Second of all, Bungie has and is trying to fix cheating, I've been modded 4 times and stand-by'ed... twice since I got the game on November 9th.

Thirdly, if I were to say anything negative about Playstation, I would have many people jumping on my case, if I said anything without the facts I'd have many people jumping on my case but the thing is... I look shit up, I own a PSONE, my Ps2 was stolen and I'm buying a new one next month. There are a shitload of games that I like and I actually play Playstation, how many of the people here can say the same thing but still run their mouths putting down Microsoft?

Exactly.

Also, let me get this straight... you boycott Xbox Live as a whole because of one game...

[Domination]

It's funny, everything you quoted was something Sony actually did promise, that they didn't lived up to.

....or maybe you were misinformed. I will admit that some of these things were promised and they were delivered while others weren't. But don'[t color the picture as if they were the only ones to do this. Others were in the very same place. So I don't see the point of singling anyone out.

Also, unless this anonymous insider is just yanking chains, I believe it is HIS quote that seems to make the biggest difference here when compared to everything else we've come across. ;)

Oh, and do you mind, providing a quote/source about the Toy Story graphics. I don't ever remember this being mentioned. The author seems to be providing false information here from what I know. :)

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PC and console gaming are two completly different ballparks, I don't compare the two. And the fact that every single game is played online from one service is something unique. You can make the Revolution controller on PC, but most people say stuff like this, then talk how the Rev controller is this great new thing.

i don't see the conection between D comments about online and the revolution controller? could you clarify please. plus (and i do completel