Windows Live Messenger

[NickSCFC]

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Live.com Beta
This is your own homepage that you can design yourself. Just sign in and get the content you want – news, sports, search results, whatever. Plus you can move stuff around at will – it’s up to you.

Windows Live Mail beta
This is brand-new webmail, built from scratch. Preview your e-mail without loading a new page each time (like Outlook®), drag and drop messages into folders, and check your e-mail in a flash.
Windows Live Messenger Beta (Coming Soon)
Don’t just type to your friends. Now you can actually see and speak to them from your PC, too. You can also share files, voice mail, and all the latest smileys – it’s the next best thing to being there.

So What About MSN?
Don’t worry, MSN isn’t going anywhere. It will still be a great place to get content, news and information. And you’ll still be able to access your mail, instant messaging and search services that you know and love.

Get Windows Live Messenger 8.0 BETA

Click here to download Windows Live Messenger 8.0 BETA (http://ideas.live.com/nmCongratulation.aspx?programId=fc8bcb55-8d00-453c-8688-d6351b3a6a44)

(You must be signed into Live, MSN or Hotmail)

If not, Sign up here (http://www2.imagine-msn.com/minisites/messenger/default.aspx?locale=en-us).

Windows Live Messenger 8.0 (Running on Windows Vista)

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Windows Live Messenger 8.0 BETA (Running on Windows XP)

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[Eidorian]

Ah, web services. They still need to work on the Mac version of Messenger. Luckily, we don't have to deal with those ugly ads.

Does anyone know if it's IE only or not?

[Fats]

There's just a few features they need to add to the OSX version and I'd be happy. Until then, I'll have to stick with Adium.:(

[Eidorian]

There's just a few features they need to add to the OSX version and I'd be happy. Until then, I'll have to stick with Adium.:(I use it for file transfers when I can't use iChat. Adium doesn't handle them and direct connections to well. I'd like to see voice chat support, ugh.

[Fats]

Yeah, that's what I want as well. That and the ability to use a webcam, Whiteboard would come in use as well for college. I'm sick of getting the piss taken out of me because I have an "Old retarded version of MSN".

We should be getting an update next month yeah?

[Eidorian]

Yeah, that's what I want as well. That and the ability to use a webcam, Whiteboard would come in use as well for college. I'm sick of getting the piss taken out of me because I have an "Old retarded version of MSN".

We should be getting an update next month yeah?Microsoft said that they'd be updating Microsoft Messenger again for OS X. It's nice that they updated it last year but it's still crippled compared to the Windows version. Yahoo! Messenger is much, much worse. They haven't updated it since 10.2.

Office integration anyone? Whiteboard sounds great too. Webcams are just nice personal features.

[Fats]

I guess we'll only have a truly full version off MSN if it's on the Windows platform then. It's got some nice features, but it's bogged down a lot with unnecessary material.

If the next update has video conferencing and the ability to voice chat, it's a step in the right direction.

[Eidorian]

I guess we'll only have a truly full version off MSN if it's on the Windows platform then. It's got some nice features, but it's bogged down a lot with unnecessary material.

If the next update has video conferencing and the ability to voice chat, it's a step in the right direction.Yeah, the web service market is either a bane or benefit. I can see them shafting us for antivirus protection but Office might be interesting.

http://www.writely.com

This is a good example (It doesn't work in Safari. Get FireFox/Camino if you don't have it sheesh.)

It's a simple, Office compatible, and secure word processor. I still wouldn't use it for secure/confidential office documents but it supports multiple users modifying the text.

[Fats]

I do have Firefox, but dare I say it, I don't really like it. It used to be my browser of choice, but I use Safari all the time now. I do miss stumbleupon for Firefox though.:(

I'll give writey.com a go when I can though, looks interesting!

[Coded-Dude]

yet another messenger I don't want......yay!

[Eidorian]

yet another messenger I don't want......yay!*shrug* Yeah, I prefer the free multi-client programs out there but sometimes they aren't 100% compatible. They even have a few features that can't be copied either. Games and Doodle Board on Yahoo! Messenger are a few. I miss them since they were never ported to OS X. Jerks...

[Moses]

Common guys, it is just a .Mac rip off!

[Fats]

Yeah, but ALL of my friends happen to use MSN so I'm stuck with it.

[Moses]

Then they aren't your friends.

[Eidorian]

Common guys, it is just a .Mac rip off!I don't think the integration is that good yet. I just launched FireFox and the page actually worked in it. I kept getting a blank page in Safari.

http://www.protopage.com/v2 (FireFox/Camino)

I think this is a much better multi-user bulletin board/note page.

I have about 3 people that use MSN. I just merge their contacts in Adium under one name.

[Coded-Dude]

I talk to everyone on AIM(and we have jabber here at work - but its internal only)
I talk to two people on MSN and they both post here(becaue they are MS dependant)

[Eidorian]

I talk to everyone on AIM(and we have jabber here at work - but its internal only)
I talk to two people on MSN and they both post here(becaue they are MS dependant)Yeah, we have a Jabber server here at work. We mostly use Bonjour internally since most of our systems are Macs. It was my suggestion to use an internal chat system too. Not that walking down two doors is so hard.

[Coded-Dude]

well we have several buildings and people in ohter countries(parts of the world) so its a very pivitol part of our communication, but I will admitt, I have jabbered the guy that sits right next to me(we share a "custom cubicle" which is about the size of 3 cubicles) but its usually when I am sendign him a url or something similar.

[Eidorian]

well we have several buildings and people in ohter countries(parts of the world) so its a very pivitol part of our communication, but I will admitt, I have jabbered the guy that sits right next to me(we share a "custom cubicle" which is about the size of 3 cubicles) but its usually when I am sendign him a url or something similar.The annoying thing is that it works fine among the Mac users. But our Windows users don't want to install clients. Then again they're big e-mail people. That or our issue tracking software.

http://bestpractical.com/

[Coded-Dude]

The typical windows end user is an ignorant spoild bafoon, or an avid M$ fanatic.
REAL users are on MAC or Linux(for varying reasons)

not trying to flame any M$ fanatics either, just making a statement about the typical windows user
(who generally knows nothing about computers anyways)

[Eidorian]

The typical windows end user is an ignorant spoild bafoon, or an avid M$ fanatic.
REAL users are on MAC or Linux(for varying reasons)

not trying to flame any M$ fanatics either, just making a statement about the typical windows user
(who generally knows nothing about computers anyways)Well, our backend is entirely Solaris/Red Hat. Just cause they're running Windows doesn't mean they're not booting up a terminal to get the job done. It's just easier on OS X since it's based off of UNIX. There's no need for a shell application. Just fire up Terminal and SSH in.

Still, it's easier to support our Mac users. The virus scare last week got a lot of Windows virus help and paranoia questions sent to me. I got the Mac users together and just told they'd be safe and not to open any weird e-mail.

[Coded-Dude]

Ever seen/tried Windows Services for Unix
(I think I got mine with an issue of SysAdmin Magazine)

basically a shell for windows, plus it comes with an nfs client/server, and some other goodies - it was a ploy to try and make windows more powerful(as far as administration goes)

[Eidorian]

Ever seen/tried Windows Services for Unix
(I think I got mine with an issue of SysAdmin Magazine)

basically a shell for windows, plus it comes with an nfs client/server, and some other goodies - it was a ploy to try and make windows more powerful(as far as administration goes)Windows...Services? With CUPS, sendmail, and LDAP?

[Coded-Dude]

no...not all the goodies, I have to go back and see what all it comes with, but I will repost with allthe features I find. Of course the main ones were shell and nfs.


Windows
ServicesforUNIX 3.5
The Unix Interoperability Solution for Microsoft Windows

[Eidorian]

no...not all the goodies, I have to go back and see what all it comes with, but I will repost with allthe features I find. Of course the main ones were shell and nfs.Well we already have all of those wonderful UNIX services in use here on Windows and Mac. We get SysAdmin Magazine too.

[Coded-Dude]

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/default.mspx

if you are curious....the MAIN feature is the ability to run an NFS server on Windows and authenticate via NIS. But its has many other cool feature sets as well.....

[Eidorian]

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/default.mspx

if you are curious....the MAIN feature is the ability to run an NFS server on Windows and authenticate via NIS. But its has many other cool feature sets as well.....Sadly, I don't think we're going to authenticate users that way. For our graduate students we use SunRay 1G thin clients and they make up the bulk of our machines. Those authenticate just fine off of our Sun servers. The Windows machines are usually limited to personal single user desktops or laptops. There are three Macs that authenticate off of our LDAP server and get a NFS home directory. Mine is one of them. The rest are just single user machines again. We're planning on getting a FileMaker Server and running OS X updates off of it too cut down on bandwidth and possible remote management.

[OnBake Platinum]

I hate MSN and I will probably hate that too.

[Moses]

Well, our backend is entirely Solaris/Red Hat. Just cause they're running Windows doesn't mean they're not booting up a terminal to get the job done. It's just easier on OS X since it's based off of UNIX. There's no need for a shell application. Just fire up Terminal and SSH in.

Still, it's easier to support our Mac users. The virus scare last week got a lot of Windows virus help and paranoia questions sent to me. I got the Mac users together and just told they'd be safe and not to open any weird e-mail.

I don't trust any company that supports Red Hat.

[Coded-Dude]

I don't trust any company that supports Red Hat.
care to explain.........

[Moses]

Bad experience. :shifty:

[Coded-Dude]

you mustn't trust any large corporations then.....
(becasue there is a good chance they are all utilizing it somehow)

[Sendok]

I just want a stable version of Messenger for OSX. Everyone I know but my gf uses AIM...so I have to run both.

[Moses]

you mustn't trust any large corporations then.....
(becasue there is a good chance they are all utilizing it somehow)

Most unstable OS EVAH. The cash registers at the theater I worked at used it and they crashed every day. They would give bizarre error numbers and we had to bust out the 4000 page manual weekly. So in the end, yes, I hate Red Hat Linux. That white man in his blue shirt with his red hat can die. :oddyssey: :oddyssey: :oddyssey:

[Coded-Dude]

That sucks dude, I hate to hear of "bad" linux experiences. We heavily rely on redhat, among ohter linux OSes, and really don't have many problem, but we "customize" the OS.
(Carve out all those unecessarry app and crap)
We get the occasional HD failire, but that is the extent of most of our problems with linux
(besids users)

[Eidorian]

We've had a RAID failure and a backup issue in the past two months alone. Wo got the RAID replaced but some data was lost. And some lost data was recovered. Weird...

[Coded-Dude]

Well, we dont' have a "backup" solution for our linux workstations/servers per se.
We just NFS everythign and backup the servers. If an engineer says:
I had some stuff on my linux box and the HD crashed.....
We say:
Sorry buddy we told you.

There are viable backup solutions, but we prefer good ol Unix for stuff liek that(for now)

[WolfmanNCSU]

Remember to stay on topic fellas.