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Broly
02-12-2006, 02:18 AM
According to a story over at Washingtonpost.com, the latest definitions file for Microsoft's Anti-Spyware beta flags Symantec's Norton Antivirus products as a password-stealing trojan and prompts users to delete portions of the program. Users who follow the instructions hose their installation of Norton, requiring delicate Windows registry edits and a complete removal/reinstall of Norton. Microsoft's support forum is quickly filling up with complaints about this problem, many from businesses that have been pretty hard hit. This should be a cautionary tale about deploying beta products in production environments.

The Washington Post article (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/02/microsoft_antispyware_deleting_1.html)
Source (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/11/2259232&from=rss)

That's an incredibly clever ploy by one or a few Microsoft developers. What better way to promote your company than by hurting the reputation of another? I really don't think there's a way something like that could have been an accident. But yet they blame it on the poor, poor beta. I agree that many individuals take the "beta" warning as a synonym for "not yet complete, but still 100% safe." However, had no one outside of Microsoft detected this, no one would have ever been the wiser.
Symantec and their Norton services are only slightly better at pulling this off than the Big M. My antivirus program constantly detects false positives, mainly programs or files that are used to override various controls on various devices. Just earlier today, the stupid thing deleted a framebuffer modifier that would have been used to downgrade a PSP's firmware. Small things like that deter people from using that software, who say Symantec is more trustworthy than some unnamed developer. In some cases this may be true, but in this instance, it's just someone who wanted everyone to be able to use their hardware to its full potential.
Since this could turn into a mindless rant at any moment, I shall conclude with this:
All is fair in Love and War.

CavernFest
02-12-2006, 02:31 AM
mmmmm lots of teh rightings!!!1!!1111!!!!

Eidorian
02-12-2006, 02:37 AM
Wow, talk about paranoia and marketing.

O.D.S
02-12-2006, 05:26 AM
WOW this MS program sounds great...where can i sign up for such protection?

Moses
02-12-2006, 07:54 AM
As if Windows itself isn't just a user initiated trojan.

MS are just being bastards...

Garfunkel
02-12-2006, 10:58 AM
Microsoft Windows, just one huge virus. (new slogen)
How can anyone trust M$'s dodgy crapware?

BlueTsunami
02-12-2006, 12:37 PM
Its just doing its job!

NoZ
02-12-2006, 02:02 PM
Hmmm, so thats why my Norton has been dying alot on me. *Uninstalls M$ Beta*

Moses
02-12-2006, 05:31 PM
And HOW THE HELL CAN MS CHARGE PEOPLE FOR A SERVICE THAT TRIES TO FIX HOLES IN THEIR OWN OPERATING SYSTEM. If this takes off, people will be fucked.

Eidorian
02-12-2006, 06:36 PM
And HOW THE HELL CAN MS CHARGE PEOPLE FOR A SERVICE THAT TRIES TO FIX HOLES IN THEIR OWN OPERATING SYSTEM. If this takes off, people will be fucked.It's just a selling point for gullible people.

Gegenki
02-12-2006, 11:59 PM
I wonder what anti virus program microsoft use.
My school uses Sophos. They are the people that report on any major viruses.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone pulled apart one of the PC's at the Microsoft HQ and found a heavily modded mac rig.

I find that I only find myself with adware if I go on the wrong sites.
In my experience with a spyware scanner the same was true but I don't use either now. I found that they just give me problems.
One day they just let a whole load of programs in and give you nothing but hell until you reformat.
I've found the difference between having avast! and norton is that,
1. Avast doesn't let viruses in in the first place and
2. Avast actually gets rid of viruses. Somethign that never worked for me in norton
3. Avast has tiny memory footprint unlike resource hog norton. That thing took so much power that me and my friends would stop it whenever it started a schedualed scan

Microsoft were right to delete it!

HereticPB
02-13-2006, 12:15 AM
Well I find Symantec's Norton software to be as buggy, bloated, memory hoggin sofware as MS's software. So I find this funny.

Run Mcaffe (sp?) or a Trend Micro product for Anti-V as well as the following for spyware, adware, etc.

Ad-Aware, Spybot Search & Destroy, and WebRoot Spy Sweeper.

Eidorian
02-13-2006, 12:26 AM
Well I find Symantec's Norton software to be as buggy, bloated, memory hoggin sofware as MS's software. So I find this funny.

Run Mcaffe (sp?) or a Trend Micro product for Anti-V as well as the following for spyware, adware, etc.

Ad-Aware, Spybot Search & Destroy, and WebRoot Spy Sweeper.I've noticed McAfee is small and slick. We use 7.0/8.0 Enterprise Edition and I think it's good.

Seriously, Norton bundles too many applications in as a suite. Just get a light antivirus, a router, and Windows Firewall.

Miyahon
02-13-2006, 12:57 AM
That's why there is the word "BETA" on it.

stanDarsh
02-13-2006, 01:35 AM
I don't like McAffe much either, it detects Spyware Doctor as a Virus when you try to install it, so you have to disable McAffe before installing it.

Brandon
02-16-2006, 04:24 AM
Why would you want to use Norton anyway? That program is terrible.

Moses
02-16-2006, 08:17 AM
And who pays $99 a year for Anti-Spyware?

rpgamer_2k5
02-25-2006, 03:16 AM
I have a free license for NAV 2004, so it's my "favourite" AV. :) The later versions are crap, but NAV2004 coupled with live update is more than enough. Viruses are not much of an issue for me. I use to see get a bunch of them, back in 2004, when I was on warez sites. NAV did its job. ^_^

This version doesn't have a very large footprint. Typically, < 17MB when GUI is open; roughly 6MB for the tray. The hit on the CPU is negligible. ;)

Victor
02-25-2006, 05:44 AM
Ad-Aware FTW!!!