Something we gotta put a stop to here

[stanDarsh]

I know everyone has been waiting and waiting for PS3 to get here, but can we please keep the negativity to a minimum! I swear some of you I could liken to Heroine addicts waiting for their next PS3 fix, and when they don't get it they become grumpy and needy and start posting something less than constructive.

I consider these forums some of the best if not the best forums around, but right now the PS3 Forum is less than appealing, please for the most part, post sensibly and constructively and keep the negative thoughts to yourselves! If you are looking for some way of passing the time instead of bickering, I suggest playing any of the current consoles or PC that you already own.

Thank you

-Andy

[Danji]

I concur with StanDarsh that there's too much bickering, negativity, and general ill willed-ness going around this place. We should concentrate on the positive. Go to the PS2 section and talk about the games you or aren't playing. If you own a PSP then go to the PSP section and talk up all the great games coming out this year, the fake 3.0 firmware, or other stuff.

There is more to think about then the future and the past.

[Handycrap101]

As much as I hate to say it, this has been the most interesting in thread the past few days. But O agree with you standDarsh... because there is nothing to talk about...AT ALL we see way too much double news postings on-top of random speculative threads that have been discussed before. And then within those threads we see the said "negativity" because ultimately, there isn't enough news and people get all cranky cause when you can't talk about PS3... life as we know it, stops. :emo:

Nice to see though that you're trying your best to regulate some of this though, keep up the good work. :thumbr:

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah, let's cut the crap. It is true that Sony isn't giving too much information, but we don't have to believe the alleged bad news unofficial sources keep telling us.

I'd definately prefer this forum to be idle rather than pessimistic. Absolutely.

Suggestion for mods: let's lock redundant and hardly useful topics gradually.

[Junox50]

I have to agree myself. There have been so many pointless topics that only lead to arguments and disgreements, and at some points in time, they also draw the attention of the Nintendo fanatics to come in here and raise all kinds of trouble. Not saying its only them, but they tend to add fuel to the fire whenever the words Nintendo or Innovation show up in the topic.

I don't want this place becoming like the PS3 boards at IGN. This place should be what it is, a place to discuss things playstation and be a civil community for people wanting to share thoughts and opinions without leading to arguments or flames. But it can't happen, if a new topic is made everynow and then that says something like " I'm getting tired of Sony," or, "It's Febuary and there's still no info!"

I know people are impaitent with the lack of info, but generating these kinds of threads arent helping anyone.

[cliffbo]

i agree with most of the above and probably have inadvertently contributed to said negativity, which i am sorry for if i have. this forum isn't one of the best, it IS the best. i have never seen so many well constructed arguments for and against; the technical nous of some simply leaves me astonished and the sheer diversity of ideas is staggering. there is however a 'but' as you would expect from me. lol

if we allow others - who's agenda is purely and simply to hijack a thread with their constant tirades and personal attacks - to get a thread closed when the majority of posters are simply passionately making their points, would be criminal. Helgunn is a perfect example of these infiltrators. but the best form of censurship is no response. any response to a completely negative contribution is a signal to continue. so what i'm asking for from the administrators is for them not to suddenly think they should jump hard on anyone from now on. by trying too hard to take control, you could stifle and untimately sterilize this site. :)

ps: it is possible to discuss an issue without accusing someone else of doing it first. thats tit for tat agrument that leads nowhere. if MS fans want to discuss what Sony have stolen then they have their own sites for that. i believe a thread about an eye-toy like camera from Microsoft far more interesting than a thread about 'wheres the feb show' yes it generates a lot of animosity but its down to us to keep it calm. i never envisaged that thread, by the way, turning into a slagging match, but unfortunately it did. but for gods sake don't become BIG BROTHER! power is a wonderful thing but it can corrupt even the softest hearts and pander to that devil hidden deep in everybody subconscience.

[overclocked]

Good and important to be mentioned, keep the positive spirit upp guys!

:cheers:

[jaxmkii]

personaly i offten wade thought hours of pesimistic assumptions hoping to find something but end up wasting hours a day. there has been way to much fluff lately.

wish mods would start laying down on all the repeat usless speculation

[Z]

I agree. we can only have too many "I'm bored' threads. I can understand seeing one 'delay' thread for instance, but we shouldn't make too much trivial threads.
as always, make them to the point nad have constructive discussions.

after all, you can always express your opinions and feelings with in already existing threads.:)

[Mitri]

can we also stop making thread in a forum that has nothing to do with the forum. i have come across countless threads about 360 news in the ps3 forum. there is a reason that the other forums exist.

and can alot of you open your eyes to see that the ps franchise is not the only thing out there. there are other good consoles and games. i try to tell people but i always get " ps3 will be the greatest because of cell." be more open eyed and more unbiased.

thanks for listenin. and my apologies if i have commited any of those things you guys are talkin bout.

[venomv]

can we also stop making thread in a forum that has nothing to do with the forum. i have come across countless threads about 360 news in the ps3 forum. there is a reason that the other forums exist.

and can alot of you open your eyes to see that the ps franchise is not the only thing out there. there are other good consoles and games. i try to tell people but i always get " ps3 will be the greatest because of cell." be more open eyed and more unbiased.

thanks for listenin. and my apologies if i have commited any of those things you guys are talkin bout.

The first 2 are connected and the problem is most of the members I think, think the Nintendo and MS forums are dead, and I think the 360 forum is, and therefore don't post anything in them because they won't get any discussion. That's why alot of non-Sony stuff gets posted in the PS3 forum. And I have seen a decline in Anti-Nintendo-MS in the PS3 recently (past 3 months), but that's just me.

[Ravster]

Hmms seems like Ive missed the bitching that goes around in this Sony area. Hardly ever roam around this part of the forum, but going to start to now:)

[cliffbo]

can we also stop making thread in a forum that has nothing to do with the forum. i have come across countless threads about 360 news in the ps3 forum. there is a reason that the other forums exist.

and can alot of you open your eyes to see that the ps franchise is not the only thing out there. there are other good consoles and games. i try to tell people but i always get " ps3 will be the greatest because of cell." be more open eyed and more unbiased.

thanks for listenin. and my apologies if i have commited any of those things you guys are talkin bout.

how can we 'open our eyes to other consoles' and at the same time not discuss 360. i agree with your first quote entirely, but isn't this a contradiction in terms? this is a PS3 thread and as such we should be able to bring together any information that we feel necessary in order to make our points (good or bad) yes the other consoles are good, but if i thought they were great i'd contribute to their threads instead.

[Viper]

The N forums are far from dead, they too recently had their share of BS info and false reports, rumors, a million and one fake images, etc...and we put a stop to it similar to this one here and so with little news from Nintnedo themselves coming in, activity has slowed but it's not dead at all. The X360 boards are on life support though.

If you guys would post your N and X360 news in those forums....perhaps they wouldn't be so dead?

[Junox50]

and can alot of you open your eyes to see that the ps franchise is not the only thing out there. there are other good consoles and games. i try to tell people but i always get " ps3 will be the greatest because of cell." be more open eyed and more unbiased.



Not a lot of people here have a blind allegiance with PS. However, this is a PS3 forum, so it is expected to see some of that. PS3 has people interested for many reasons other than it just being a PS brand console. It's already been covered in the other threads, so there's no need to explain.

the N forums are far from dead, they too recently had their share of BS info and false reports, rumors, a million and one fake images, etc...and we put a stop to it similar to this one here and so with little news from Nintnedo themselves coming in, activity has slowed but it's not dead at all. The X360 boards are on life support though.

That's true. Nintendo has been dealing with similar issues of false claims and the like regarding the Revolution.

We can still discuss the other consoles here, but it should be in another matter that involves the PS3 as well, without the unnecessary clutter.

[woundingchaney]

The thing about it is, I go else where for Nin and 360 news and updates, as I believe most people do. This forum has a reputation for its PS whatever discussions so most things that evolve around next gen seeems to come to the PS3 section. Not only that but there is a communtiy developed in the PS3 forum (incase you guys havent noticed) so I for one am more likely to come to the PS3 forum and discuss matters with other I somewhat know and respect.


Also negativity needs to be a ldefined better, often times I feel as if I come off as negative when Im just intending to be skeptical.

[cliffbo]

The thing about it is, I go else where for Nin and 360 news and updates, as I believe most people do. This forum has a reputation for its PS whatever discussions so most things that evolve around next gen seeems to come to the PS3 section. Not only that but there is a communtiy developed in the PS3 forum (incase you guys havent noticed) so I for one am more likely to come to the PS3 forum and discuss matters with other I somewhat know and respect.


Also negativity needs to be a ldefined better, often times I feel as if I come off as negative when Im just intending to be skeptical.

yes i know the feeling. text is so unemotional at times. as much as we try to make a tongue in cheek comment obvious it sometimes is taken way too literally. and playing devils advocate can lead to an all out text war! this is a great forum overall but nothings perfect. the imperfection though sometimes lead to re-evaluation from the rest of us and produce great threads like this. this in general is a healthy thing and should be applauded. i don't always agree with you wounded but i have to say that whatever you post is always persuasive. :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

I think that everyone has some spot on his honor in this matter. Maybe even the mods. I think that, until more PS3 news are announced, we should go and post in the PSP/PS2 parts. They're almost dead, while the PS3 forum is buzzing with activity. So, let's try to look at the now, and let the future come in it's own pace.

[Theo]

I know everyone has been waiting and waiting for PS3 to get here, but can we please keep the negativity to a minimum! I swear some of you I could liken to Heroine addicts waiting for their next PS3 fix, and when they don't get it they become grumpy and needy and start posting something less than constructive.

I consider these forums some of the best if not the best forums around, but right now the PS3 Forum is less than appealing, please for the most part, post sensibly and constructively and keep the negative thoughts to yourselves! If you are looking for some way of passing the time instead of bickering, I suggest playing any of the current consoles or PC that you already own.

Thank you

-Andy



With all honesty, I agree with you stan. But I also think that there has been dissapointments after E3 conserning new information about the ps3. Some take it too seriously what leads to negativity, but I don't see all of it out of the line because when there is reason to complain, complaining is justified. We just can't let it out of hand. Patience is the key people, even though I'm lacking it my self rght now...

...Indeed everyone, like stan said: keep the negativity to a minimum!

[Applefiend]

I think it seems to me that there's a total news blackout between E3 05 and E3 06 regarding PS3, with a small blip that was the MGS4 trailer at TGS. So the job of this forum is to try and work out exactly what will be at E3 06, and expect nothing before then. (Unless something happens in the next 3 days for the feb suprise. :D).

But the important thing is expect nothing. Then you won't get gloomy and dissapointed.

Because them showing the TGS trailers and the conceptual mock up again at E3 06 is unthinkable.

[makeitlookreal]

Hey Everyone,

I just came back to check on PS3 related things after taking a break away from it all. Just like I predicted we have no new information or updates.

When I first became interested at the PS3 a little before E3 I was so excited and optimistic about Sony and their little box of gaming joy. Now I realize that Sony does not care about us and will keep us in the dark forever without the slightest hint of an update if that is what makes things easy for them.

Yes, I am negative. Yes, I am gloomy. Because I realize Sony does not care that we even exist. For example:

Lets say the PS3 was not going to launch as soon as we had been led to believe. They could simply say, "We have tried our best to launch when we indicated but to make the best machine possible for this reason and that reason we are waiting a few/several months or even a year."

If they are having a problem with costs they should just say so.

If they are having a problem with yields they should just say so.

If they are having to make changes to fit everything inside the box they should just say so.

Then again, if this is something GOOD then they should just say so too!

If they are waiting longer in order to UPGRADE the specs like perhaps the 65nm process or more RAM or other upgrades then they should just tell us what they are up too!

If they can't release the final specs because they are not written in stone then they could a least say we are WORKING towards this or that, but we can't make any promises.

Now, don't even get me started on the RSX. We have waited all this time since E3 and we don't even know if it is anything significantly better than the latest NVIDIA card or not. It might just be slighty faster with a few tiny mods here and there. Or it could be much faster with embedded SPE like devices or perhaps just in such a way to work super efficently with the cell chip.

But as of now we know NOTHING.

I don't care what everyone is saying. We have a right to be upset if we want to be.

Now, we can't force Sony to say anything at all. The PS3 is theirs and it is their right to talk or say nothing at all. They don't legally owe us anything at all and of course we have no say on how they run their business or produce/market their products.

But we sure can be gloomy or negative if we wanna be as long as we are respectful and honor the fact that Sony can do whatever they want.

But I see no reason we cannot peacefully and politely speak up that we sure wish Sony would give us some new information.

[Junox50]

Because I realize Sony does not care that we even exist.



Ofcourse they care. We're the consumers.

They just don't care to give us any info. ;)

[overclocked]

Hey Everyone,

I just came back to check on PS3 related things after taking a break away from it all. Just like I predicted we have no new information or updates.

When I first became interested at the PS3 a little before E3 I was so excited and optimistic about Sony and their little box of gaming joy. Now I realize that Sony does not care about us and will keep us in the dark forever without the slightest hint of an update if that is what makes things easy for them.

Yes, I am negative. Yes, I am gloomy. Because I realize Sony does not care that we even exist. For example:

Lets say the PS3 was not going to launch as soon as we had been led to believe. They could simply say, "We have tried our best to launch when we indicated but to make the best machine possible for this reason and that reason we are waiting a few/several months or even a year."

If they are having a problem with costs they should just say so.

If they are having a problem with yields they should just say so.

If they are having to make changes to fit everything inside the box they should just say so.

Then again, if this is something GOOD then they should just say so too!

If they are waiting longer in order to UPGRADE the specs like perhaps the 65nm process or more RAM or other upgrades then they should just tell us what they are up too!

If they can't release the final specs because they are not written in stone then they could a least say we are WORKING towards this or that, but we can't make any promises.

Now, don't even get me started on the RSX. We have waited all this time since E3 and we don't even know if it is anything significantly better than the latest NVIDIA card or not. It might just be slighty faster with a few tiny mods here and there. Or it could be much faster with embedded SPE like devices or perhaps just in such a way to work super efficently with the cell chip.

But as of now we know NOTHING.

I don't care what everyone is saying. We have a right to be upset if we want to be.

Now, we can't force Sony to say anything at all. The PS3 is theirs and it is their right to talk or say nothing at all. They don't legally owe us anything at all and of course we have no say on how they run their business or produce/market their products.

But we sure can be gloomy or negative if we wanna be as long as we are respectful and honor the fact that Sony can do whatever they want.

But I see no reason we cannot peacefully and politely speak up that we sure wish Sony would give us some new information.

Many of the things you take up is just the problem.
Ie countless and often made up or constructed sentences from various people taken out of context that PS3 event here or there while Sony basically havent said anything.

This is usually Sony PR/Tactics with mouths tightlipped.
So the ones to blame isnt really Sony but much of the community that takes
internet rumours etz for real and then gets dissapointed at Sony when it turns up its closed for public or etz.

Its so close to E3 now that it wouldnt suprise me if they drop all there with the massive press and focus they will get.

[curryking1]

If they are having a problem with costs they should just say so.

If they are having a problem with yields they should just say so.

If they are having to make changes to fit everything inside the box they should just say so.

Then again, if this is something GOOD then they should just say so too!

If they are waiting longer in order to UPGRADE the specs like perhaps the 65nm process or more RAM or other upgrades then they should just tell us what they are up too!

I really have to disagree with you here. Sony, nVidia, or any other private company for that matter, do not hold any obligation to tell us anything. And really, it is simply horrible business sense to admit anything is going wrong. Most businesses would rather find a scapegoat or go lying to the public than admit they are in a difficult situation.

Because isn't that how the stock market works? Why would you want to turn off potential investors (although big investors probably get more information when they are trying to decide whether or not to invest in a company). It matters just as much, and sometimes even more, about how people think a company is doing than how it is actually performing.

It is Sony's choice how, when, and under what circumstances, to market and then successively sell their product.

Would you expect a local mom and pop convenience store to let you know every time they are going through a hard time financially, or having a hard time getting profits?

I was actually wrong to say '...hold any obligation to tell us anything' tho. That's what financial reports are for lol (and investigations b/c of accusations of criminal activity or w/e).

But at least we here in the forums understand it's hard to wait for something that's so good, because we all feel the same way. :) I'm obviously a victim in this drought of news as well, no wonder why I keep visiting this wonderful site lol.

Now why don't we all just wait for E3 and treat any information we get in the meantime as a bonus? I think we'll be able to deal with this a lot better then.